Re: mailing list merge
Arthur Marsh wrote:
> Could someone please contact the gmane.org and see if the surviving
> lists could be re-subscribed *without* email address scrambling?
I'm using Gmane too (well, using nntp for MLs rocks!), btw I've sent a
subscription request to Gmane asking for scrambling the addresses since
the past list used this feature (I figure for spam security).
However I think that it's cool since you can get the real address simply
loading an url like this:
- http://gmane.org/get-address.php?address=${EMAIL-ADDRESS}
Then, Gmane is enough smart to allow you to reply to these scrambled
addresses without changing them: if they don't know the sender's address
you get a confirmation mail, otherwise your mail will be automatically
redirected to the real address!
> I would like to have the option to make off-list replies.
They works! ;)
Check your mail! ^_^
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Re: AW: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Am So 13. Juli 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > It mean the same as one know this from a car with a very low battery... (bridged ) > just put another battery (I think it`s important, that the second battery have the same Volt) parallel to the > original battery. > If so, the FR can take the power from the two batteries... This might fail: if your battery is "dead", it has low voltage. Now you "jumpstart" with a second battery, and FR boots. But same time the dead bat's internal protection might trigger for too high charging current from much higher voltage from parallel battery. This protection circuit needs to reset, what might not happen until you stop to try to charge it, and in fact discharge it a short while. So it's better practice to start the FR just from the good battery, and insert the dead one after boot has completed and jumpstart bat has been removed. /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Michael Shiloh wrote: > The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow > Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 > Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics > and hardware and understand about short circuits. > > Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately. Well, maybe this could be useful for other owners, isn't it? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Tim Schmidt: > On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Meanwhile we are about to improve the hw to cope with this (a little difficult > > without exact idea of the way this happens). > > Meaning, the improvement will show up in a new rev of the Freerunner, > or in the next model phone? Depends on which kind of improvement we are ending with. Obviously sth like a metal case for shielding can't be done as a simple FR product revision - just for example. Simple change of a component value is a completely different story. For now no results thus no statement. ;-) /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): > Michael Shiloh wrote: > > The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow > > Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 > > Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics > > and hardware and understand about short circuits. > > > > Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately. > > Well, maybe this could be useful for other owners, isn't it? We mustn't advice customers to try potentially destructive or even dangerous procedures. Thus no public howto for manual charge of LiIon batteries! /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it... But why can't the Neo boot off USB power alone? -Steven On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Your Freerunner is failing to boot with a dead (or missing) battery. > Without booting, the Freerunner can not turn on the charger. > > There are 3 workarounds to this: > > The easiest workaround is to boot with a spare battery, which can be > from another Neo (GTA01 or GTA02) or a Nokia BL-4C or BL-5C and I think > also a BL-3C: > > 1. Boot with the spare battery and attach your charger. > > 2. Once your phone is booted, remove the spare battery. Freerunner will > remain running, powered by charger > > 3. Insert dead battery and let it charge > > The second method involves charging your battery in an external charger. > > The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow > Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 > Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics > and hardware and understand about short circuits. > > Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately. > > Regards, > Michael > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> hi all >> last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge >> them...it was 2 o`clock AM >> and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the >> batteries run down... >> now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out >> from the speaker and see the red led >> on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner >> upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash >> and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( >> is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? >> i try to flash it with the debug board... >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:16:01PM +0200, Thomas B. wrote: > I have a slightly different problem: The battery does get charged, but > the screen doesn't dim or get switched off, although I told it to do > that in the settings. That's a bit annoying, and it's probably not very > healthy for the display, too. > > Is this also an apm problem, and can it be worked around? I just noticed that there is already a newer Qtopia snapshot available for download than the one I have installed (mine is from Friday). I'd love to try that one out, maybe it solves my problem quoted above. Now my next question is: Is there a way to upgrade Qtopia to the new snapshot without losing my data (e.g. contacts and messages)? Backing up the data and writing it back after the upgrade would be fine, but I don't know where the data is stored. Regards, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): >> Michael Shiloh wrote: >>> The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow >>> Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 >>> Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics >>> and hardware and understand about short circuits. >>> >>> Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately. >> Well, maybe this could be useful for other owners, isn't it? > > We mustn't advice customers to try potentially destructive or even dangerous > procedures. > Thus no public howto for manual charge of LiIon batteries! Well, I don't think that one would to that just for fun... I figure that who will try a procedure like that is enough experienced and/or wants to risk with his own device. I'm simply saying that the method should be well documented in public (since it's not the first time that occurs) underlining that it's only a very dangerous "tip" and that the Om team doesn't suggest it, then everyone can decide if following it. PS: BTW I hope I won't use it since I've ordered also some extra an battery and I've some compatible ones near me; I just wanted to express my idea... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External Cell Antenna
Hi , This page is FreeRunner GPS antenna repair SOP. Provide by Tim. (Openmoko hardware engineer). http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP About the software site , I listed the topic we had on wiki below: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Sight http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_GPS_console_output_with_gllin http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:GPS Brenda steve ??: > > Brenda runs the wiki. Brenda can you point to this? > Or Michael do yu have this on your blog > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Derrick > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:49 PM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: External Cell Antenna > > Yes it would! A list of connectors would be nice too. > > Scott > > steve wrote: > >> Well, perhaps We should consider releasing PDFs of the schematics. >> >> Would that help? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott >> Derrick >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:49 AM >> To: List for Openmoko community discussion >> Subject: External Cell Antenna >> >> I was hoping the external ant port on the FreeRunner was for the cell >> modem and was disappointed to find out it was for the GPS. >> >> Any diagrams available on how to add an antenna port myself? What >> contacts to solder to, etc... Will I need a switch to enable an >> external antenna or will it just use it? >> >> Scott >> >> >> > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
then why not to ask Randy S (who already steadily experiencing such an issue without much of fiddling with weather/location/manner of holding) to do additional troubleshooting and if it is unit specific, just to send the unit back for the replacement (and for you to troubleshoot on a defective unit 'as a reference')? On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Scott Derrick: > > I don't get "some people" have experienced audio issues? > > Is this an indication of the level of quality control in manufacture ring? > > Scott > This is a short form of description of the *very* random and statistic nature > of this issue. We got some reports from customers about this noise. > We are still investigating on what conditions need to come together to > produce > this problem. Seems like carrier, band(850,900,1800,1900), location, time of > day, weather(yeah!), way to hold the device(!), open or closed doors and > windows etc etc etc, all influence this. > On my setups to reproduce, I constantly failed to create this noise on FR, > but > had bad noise on a decent Nokia I used for reference purposes. Mention this, > just to illustrate the problems we see on evaluating the issue. > Thus far we have no clear data on that, and we have no exact reports on > number > of people who experience this problem. > As soon as things are more clear, we will report on it. > Meanwhile we are about to improve the hw to cope with this (a little > difficult > without exact idea of the way this happens). > /jOERG -- Yaroslav Halchenko Research Assistant, Psychology Department, Rutgers-Newark Student Ph.D. @ CS Dept. NJIT Office: (973) 353-5440x263 | FWD: 82823 | Fax: (973) 353-1171 101 Warren Str, Smith Hall, Rm 4-105, Newark NJ 07102 WWW: http://www.linkedin.com/in/yarik signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
So the freerunner doesn't suffer from the problem in gta01 of squealing (and potential damage) if you remove the battery while it's charging? Ben. Michael Shiloh wrote: > 2. Once your phone is booted, remove the spare battery. Freerunner will > remain running, powered by charger > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia Speakerphone
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > There's some AT-command to send to modem > to stop sidetone path in modem. Mickey knows more on this. [EMAIL PROTECTED]"-26" Reference: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification: images vs upgrade
Yes, just installing a new version should get the latest, and be quicker. Later when you have installed things not in the standard install, and possibly put them on the SD card where there is more space, you may need to do upgrade, and possibly would choose to do both. I am not sure if there is a basic part of the install that is not part of an upgrade and only gets altered with a new version. If there is I would like to know how to recognise it. = Anyone? clare On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 1:54 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i still try to figure out whether i need to flash or update && upgrade > does the same for me. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Yaroslav Halchenko: > then why not to ask Randy S (who already steadily experiencing > such an issue without much of fiddling with weather/location/manner of > holding) to do additional troubleshooting and if it is unit specific, > just to send the unit back for the replacement (and for you to > troubleshoot on a defective unit 'as a reference')? It's not unit specific. This at least we already can say. Slight variations in severity, but I didn't get to reproduce it even with "known bad" devices, here at my lab. This "known bad" FR performed better than a Nokia6210 I used for reference. At my lab. :-/ But it's basically a EMI-shielding issue, it seems. We're on it. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): > Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > > Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): > >> Michael Shiloh wrote: > >>> The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow > >>> Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 > >>> Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics > >>> and hardware and understand about short circuits. > >>> > >>> Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately. > >> Well, maybe this could be useful for other owners, isn't it? > > > > We mustn't advice customers to try potentially destructive or even dangerous > > procedures. > > Thus no public howto for manual charge of LiIon batteries! > > Well, I don't think that one would to that just for fun... I figure that > who will try a procedure like that is enough experienced and/or wants > to risk with his own device. > > I'm simply saying that the method should be well documented in public > (since it's not the first time that occurs) underlining that it's only a > very dangerous "tip" and that the Om team doesn't suggest it, then > everyone can decide if following it. > > PS: BTW I hope I won't use it since I've ordered also some extra an > battery and I've some compatible ones near me; I just wanted to express > my idea... Actually I don't recommend this, not even with warning note. There are better ways do cope with this: hotswap or external LiIon charger/other cellphone. Battery has max chrg V of ~4.2V and max I of ~1A. Anybody needing to know more on it, shouldn't even think about it. The ones who think they understood the above: formating charge current when bat is deeply discharged shouldn't even exceed 50~100mA! Otherwise U might kill bat. LiIon is tricky! /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Ben Wilson: > So the freerunner doesn't suffer from the problem in gta01 of squealing > (and potential damage) if you remove the battery while it's charging? No reports so far. Seems we fixed that ;-) /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Steven **: > Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it... But why can't the > Neo boot off USB power alone? Boils down to sth like powering up a whole town after blackout. All components drawing a spike of energy same moment, which USB can't deliver. ->next blackout. Werner's new U-boot extenuates this somewhat, but as much of this is inside PMU hardcoded, SW can't do much. /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
