RE:What will be in GTA03?

[Pritam Ghanghas]

On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 15:15 +0200, Joachim Steiger wrote:
> Pritam, Ghanghas (IE10) wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> > I had put this wish list once but no one considered that I guess. Is it
> > that stupid? At least give your review guys.
> >
> > OMAP3530
> > http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3530.html

> nice chip.. basically.. but see this thread:
> http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=42144
> and try to find any specs or documentation about the included powerVR
> SGX530... have fun... its closed.

> in short: the whole 2d/3d accel in that chip would currently be useless
> for us.
>
> openmoko took opensource serious till now, pushing boundaries further
> where we could.
> we want debuggable architectures. means no binary drivers on the app
> cpu
> for anything for sure. not in userspace, and for sure not in the
> kernel.

>I've got a beagle board with debian running on it now, i'll test the
>video output when im back to germany. Judgeing what i've seen at
>LinuxTag, the 2D performance is great even on 1280x720 (they had no
>accelerated X running).

>So using the OMAP3530 and leaving the 3D stuff unused seems to be an
>option.

>Jan

I didnt get it clearly. Is user space binary also disallowed here. If
it is allowed i think there is hope. I found this on beagleboard's
google group discussion

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I expect the drivers to be publicly available by the end of the year.
Only the kernel portions will be open source.  The PowerVR folks will
provide binary user-space libraries.

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Re: Qtopia issues with 4.3.2-080808

[Lorn Potter]

Jim Morris wrote:
> Lorn Potter wrote:
> 
>>> 3.  I can pair my bluetooth headset, but it won't work with calls.  I am
>>> able to "ring" it through the bluetooth dialog, and it does show as an
>>> option when I make a call, but if I select it, there is no sound from
>>> it.  The headset does work with my treo 650, so I know it works.
>> also needs a working alsa state file, then we can see if it is possible 
>> to get this to even work. On the 1973, it will never work.
>>
>>
> 
> Presuming I figure out and create an appropriate alsa state file, (which I am 
> working on and have 
> been for a day now). Where would it go in Qtopia? there seem to be several 
> places where state files 
> are kept, but where exactly does Qtopia get its from? and what naming scheme 
> does it use to get it, 
> or does it not yet automatically get a state file? If the latter where would 
> I go to find where to 
> fix the code so it does get the relevant state file.

There isn't one for the Freerunner. But the alsa state files for the 
Freerunner are /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios



> 
> (The writeup on Bluetooth on the trolltech web site which documents this 
> stuff appears to be 
> somewhat out of date).
> 
> Thanks
> Jim
> 


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Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

[Olivier Berger]

Wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Dear community,
>
> here is the QA report which has been created before Om 2008.8 was released. 
> We 
> simply forgot to send this report to a public list because we were too busy 
> with the release preparations. Sorry.
>

SNIP

> Due to all these critical major bugs, from our testing team point of view:
> Not stable enough to release our Om 2008.8.

The subject says it all.

No need for more comments, I guess.

Maybe I should have quoted the release announcement email too !

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2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

[Olivier Berger]

"steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Then try 2008.9 when it comes 
>

First time I happen to meet an announcement for the next release, it
seems.

Please issue it when it's READY and not on 2008.9.9 at 09:09:09 just for the fun
of it.

Jut my 2 cents.
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[ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

[Wendy]

Dear community,

here is the QA report which has been created before Om 2008.8 was released. We 
simply forgot to send this report to a public list because we were too busy 
with the release preparations. Sorry.

More details about our bugs can be found in our bug tracker 
[http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/],  and also check our wiki page 
[http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_Cases] to understand our work and to 
contact us.

Currently we are working on a bugfix release which addresses the major issues 
you experienced. 

Stay tuned and thanks for you support,
Wendy
--- Begin Message ---
Hi All,

here are the major bugs from our latest image of Om 2008.8, 
 - Out going call can not really disconnect by "End Call" if the other one did 
not pick up the call.
 - Some of the testing phone can not make phone calls but can receive/send 
SMS??? (With alert message"no network")
 - qpe crashed all the time in one of our testing phone.
 - Two of our phone can not wake up from suspend time.
 - WiFi can not work (show up "unknown" all the time) 
 - Can't take GSM signal right away after on the device
 - [#1661] Unable to send saved tags by entering number (Locations)
 - [#1635]  After x hours the call active will become unstable. Can't receive 
or make a phone call normally.

Due to all these critical major bugs, from our testing team point of view:
Not stable enough to release our Om 2008.8.


Best Regards,
Wendy
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Re: No pin dialog/ qpe

[Esben Stien]

Norbert Hartl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It is exactly the opposite I talked about 

Sorry. Didn't read thoroughly. 

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RE: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

[steve]

Ya just download qtopia for now. Then try 2008.9 when it comes 

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Vaughan
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:35 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

> Anyway, I'm done complaining. Anyone want to buy a new Freemoko?  
> I'll sell
> it for $350 with free shipping to anywhere in the US :)


my advice is: don't be too quick to get off the train, which is well and
truly under way, whatever the load .. having a working freerunner that kicks
ass in 2 weeks time, or having it now: its up to the community.  which isn't
going to stop, just because people are not using the hardware yet ..

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RE: What's up with Openmoko store?

[steve]

 
I'll let them know.

I can sell them extras as well.


-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Federico Lorenzi
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Subject: Re: What's up with Openmoko store?

Koolu seems to be better then the direct shop for far away orders, only $60
CAD for shipping to ZA vs $120 from direct. Now to get my dad's credit card
details

Cheers,
Federico

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Baruch Even <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080811 04:39]:
>> Yes,
>>
>> Our distributors are doing great business so we will continue to 
>> give them first access to new product.
>> If you are in the US you can buy from Koolu, same price, same 
>> product, our partner.
>
> They don't seem to be selling the extras and having two shipments 
> seems like a waste.
>
> Baruch
>
>>
>>   _
>>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flyin_bbb8
>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:15 AM
>> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
>> Subject: Re: What's up with Openmoko store?
>>
>>
>>
>> So any updates steve?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:02 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sorry I'm at Linux world, I'll met with Sean in Friday and discuss.
>>
>>
>>
>
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RE: Using freerunner as a telephone

[steve]

Qtopia. 

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Subject: Using freerunner as a telephone

What is the best image and configuration to have freerunner making and
receiving telephone calls.
I am thinking maximum reliability and battery life.

Kind of failsafe mode.

Or am I on the wrong universe?

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Re: Qtopia issues with 4.3.2-080808

[Jim Morris]

Lorn Potter wrote:

>> 3.  I can pair my bluetooth headset, but it won't work with calls.  I am
>> able to "ring" it through the bluetooth dialog, and it does show as an
>> option when I make a call, but if I select it, there is no sound from
>> it.  The headset does work with my treo 650, so I know it works.
> 
> also needs a working alsa state file, then we can see if it is possible 
> to get this to even work. On the 1973, it will never work.
> 
>

Presuming I figure out and create an appropriate alsa state file, (which I am 
working on and have 
been for a day now). Where would it go in Qtopia? there seem to be several 
places where state files 
are kept, but where exactly does Qtopia get its from? and what naming scheme 
does it use to get it, 
or does it not yet automatically get a state file? If the latter where would I 
go to find where to 
fix the code so it does get the relevant state file.

(The writeup on Bluetooth on the trolltech web site which documents this stuff 
appears to be 
somewhat out of date).

Thanks
Jim

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Re: Qtopia issues with 4.3.2-080808

[Lorn Potter]

Paul Buede wrote:
> I am not sure the most appropriate place for this, so I will post my
> issues here and take them elsewhere if there is a better place for them.
> 
> I flashed with the qtopia-4.3.2-080808-rootfs-08081019.jffs2 and
> uImage-2.6.24+git30+436204281bcd1fe5999ad6589ea7ab1b5360c352-r2-om-gta02.bin
> files.
> 
> 1.  Since then, as has been noted, my reception is not as good as it was
> with the stock OM build. 

odd. This most likely would have nothing to do with qtopia.

> 
> 2.  Also, speaker phone doesn't work, it just emits a loud constant beep
> when in speaker phone mode.

It needs a fixed/working speakerphone alsa state. Same thing probably 
happens with other gui's as well.

> 
> 3.  I can pair my bluetooth headset, but it won't work with calls.  I am
> able to "ring" it through the bluetooth dialog, and it does show as an
> option when I make a call, but if I select it, there is no sound from
> it.  The headset does work with my treo 650, so I know it works.

also needs a working alsa state file, then we can see if it is possible 
to get this to even work. On the 1973, it will never work.

> 
> 4.  How do I change the number it uses to call voicemail?  It doesn't
> seem set and I don't see where to set that value.  With ATT phones, you
> are supposed to be able to hold down the 1, and it will call voicemail. 
> I assume that is not the case with this phone and I will have to program
> it to call my own number and then throw in a bunch of commas for waits,
> and then hit * to access voicemail.  This is fine, I just want to be
> able to set it.

Ok. this is a bug in qtopia.

You can set it up to speed dial it. Just open the contact entry for your 
voicemail select Options->add to speed dial. Then you can click on the 
Star icon on the homescreen to call!

> 
> 5.  Is there any documentation on the Qtopia build?  For example, I am
> going to export my contacts from palm desktop to a csv I suppose, and
> then I will want to import it.  Not sure where or how best to do that
> sort of operation.  Whats the right way to do updates on Qtopia?

You mean help documents? There are help files for applications on the 
phone. Just go to the menu 'Help'. Probably the only way to import 
contacts is through bluetooth.

As far as sync contacts and such, Qtopia only syncs to Outlook. Of 
course, anyone can write qdsync import/export plugins, but only Outlook 
is currently supported.

Right now, the only way is to "update" Qtopia is grab the 'qtopia 
update' package at qtopia.net. There is a script in there that will stop 
Qtopia, remove it, upload the new Qtopia and start it again.

In the future, there will be a package feed, but making ipkg packages is 
broken in 4.3 and will not get fixed.




> Finally, my critical stuff is reception and calls, and phone functioning
> on wakeup from suspend and such.  I will be happy to test other builds
> and OS's if they get that level of stability. 
> 
> Thanks
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Re: Another question on qtopia, and md5

[Lorn Potter]

Paul Buede wrote:
> So, I thought this was odd.  Can someone else verify?
> 
> If you download the file on the bottom of this page: 
> http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6
> 
> The direct link is:
> http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=77
> 
> The page says the md5 should be e250609cd4838817be07e1934adcb375
> 
> But I have downloaded it twice now, and both times I get:
> 
> pblap:/home/paul/openmoko # md5sum qtopia-4.3.2-080808-gta02-flash.tgz
> 9f3de59d6f90868e39059ab634a6430b  qtopia-4.3.2-080808-gta02-flash.tgz
> 
> 
> Is this the case for anyone else?

hmm page is wrong, it is 9f3de59d6f90868e39059ab634a6430b on the server. 
Will fix.
thanks


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Invicta Wireless?

[Jim Ancona]

Has anyone heard of/bought from these guys? 
http://invicta.myshopify.com/products/neo-freerunner

I found them on Google Shopping. Their live chat said they didn't have 
the Freerunner in stock, but they expected it in about two weeks.

Jim

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Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

[The Rasterman]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:05:14 -0400 Jeffery Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:

> Two thoughts...
> 
> 1. Instead of working on multiple concurrent software distributions, why 
> not try to rally everyone under one banner for a while?
> People are going to work on what they want to work on to some degree, 
> but an attempt should be made at least.  Choice is great
> and all, but in the beginning I'd rather have one option that works well 
> rather than three or four equally terrible options.  There's no need to
> go running off in different directions when people still can't receive 
> calls reliably, among other issues.

aaah - but this is what om wants! as per will's words (product management for
OM): "Everyone should fork. Everyone should create their own distribution"

( quoted from:
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
  Subject: Re: Community contributions to core apps & features. (Was: Terminal
  forASU) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:44:21 +
)

this is om's intention and desire.

> 2. Better communication between the development community and the end 
> user community.  I have yet to see anyone say they're pleased
> as punch with the keyboard.  When almost everyone is unhappy, closing 
> bugs as 'working as intended' is pigheaded.

rock | om engineers | hard place. om design specifies what keyboard it wants.
you are to fork and do your own thing if you don't like it.

if you trawl through the mail archives you'll know why. the keyboard has been
flamed about enough. i'm not going to touch it.

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Re: Om2008.8 keyboard wishlist

[The Rasterman]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:02:39 -0400 Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> You can apt-get it under Debian and run it on the hardware.  It's pretty slow
> with the Xglamo server, and completely unusably slow with the xorg
> framebuffer server that you'll generally find on a Debian install.
> 
> Personally, though, I'm wondering what kind of development efforts would be
> required to have the option of using completely custom 'third party' (for
> lack of a better term) input-method software, so that I can just opkg remove
> official-keyboard; opkg install dasher-input  .. or something like that :)
> 
> As far as I know, if you're going to use illume/qtopia-x11 for launching
> software and making calls, then that's the keyboard you have, like it or
> not... and changing it means changing your window manager and such.

nothing. it's all already done. if the keyboard app:

1. installs a .desktop file
2. the .desktop file contains "Keyboard" in the categories list
3. marks its window as a keyboard by:
3.1 setting ICCCM WM_NAME to "Keyboard" or NETWM_NAME "multitap-pad", AND
setting SKIP_TASKBAR and SKIP_PAGER properties (these detect the matchbox kbd
and multitap kbd's), OR set _E_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD property on their window (type
CARDINAL, value 1)

that's it. illume/e will find the keyboard window happily and use that as the
keyoard window. illume has its own internal keyboard implementation it can use
- or it can run another keyboard for you - and if the .desktop file has
"Keyboard" in categories illume's config panel for keyboard will list these
keyboards in its keyboard selection config. so you can install as many or as
few keyboards as you like and switch runtime, or use illume's built-in one
(which should save you some overhead and resources).

> I'd like to be wrong about that, so someone please correct me if I am.
> 
> On Tuesday 12 August 2008 15:31:05 Steven ** wrote:
> > I tried to compile Dasher for Openmoko.  I failed...  Too many
> > dependencies and libraries that refused to compile for me.
> > 
> > -Steven
> > 
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Also, I'm interested in the imput method software called 'Dasher'
> > > http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/  Perhaps someone might
> > > consider making a version of this which replaces the om2008.8 keyboard
> > > (Or you can toggle to it or something.)
> > >
> > > Another thing that Dasher does that may be useful with openmoko, is that
> > > instead of dictionary files, it accepts 'training files' which are
> > > example files of ordinary typing, and it gets its suggestions for the
> > > next character/word while your typing from what's contained in that file,
> > > and what you've typed since.
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Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

[Dylan Semler]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:14 AM, Nathan Kinkade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dylan,
>
> I have got that error before, too.  Just for the sake of testing, try this:
>
> 1) Create/modify the files precisely like I posted them in the first
> messages
> 2) Halt your Freerunner completely.
> 3) Boot the Freerunner from the halted state.
> 4) Get and SSH over USB connection in one terminal and launch "logread -f"
> 5) Wait for the flurry of boot messages to die down
> 6) Open another SSH connection in a new terminal.
> 7) Run "# pon tmobile"
> 8) Switch to the terminal running logread and see what happens.
>

Hey, thanks for the help.  I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "halt".  Do
you mean poweroff or suspend?
After booting in running logread -f, (before pon tmobile), the log is filled
with

Aug 14 02:01:10 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : "AT+CMGL=4"
Aug 14 02:01:10 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : "+CMS ERROR: 321"
Aug 14 02:01:11 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : "AT+CMGL=4"
Aug 14 02:01:11 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : "+CMS ERROR: 321"
Aug 14 02:01:11 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : "AT+CMGL=4"
Aug 14 02:01:11 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : "+CMS ERROR: 321"
Aug 14 02:01:12 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : "AT+CMGL=4"

Then when I type

pon tmobile

those messages stop and I get

Aug 14 02:01:25 om-gta02 user.info kernel: [  312.255000] PPP generic driver
version 2.4.2
Aug 14 02:01:25 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1520]: pppd 2.4.3 started by
root, uid 0
Aug 14 02:01:25 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : "AT+CMGL=4"
Aug 14 02:01:25 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : "+CMS ERROR: 321"
Aug 14 02:01:26 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [  313.64] AR6000 scan
complete: 0
Aug 14 02:01:28 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  ? : "OK"
Aug 14 02:01:39 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [  326.28] WMI event ID :
0x1004, len = 276 too big for IWEVCUSTOM (max=256)
Aug 14 02:01:40 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [  327.30] AR6000 scan
complete: 0
Aug 14 02:01:42 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [  329.645000] AR6000 scan
complete: 0
Aug 14 02:01:43 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  ? : "OK"
Aug 14 02:01:56 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [  343.30] AR6000 scan
complete: 0
Aug 14 02:01:58 om-gta02 daemon.err pppd[1520]: Connect script failed

I seem to get the kernel scan and WMI event messages continuously,
independent of GPRS state.  They continue after the Connect script failed
line.

None of those logs are too revealing to me, any ideas?  Thanks for the help
thus far.

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Another question on qtopia, and md5

[Paul Buede]

So, I thought this was odd.  Can someone else verify?

If you download the file on the bottom of this page: 
http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6

The direct link is:
http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=77

The page says the md5 should be e250609cd4838817be07e1934adcb375

But I have downloaded it twice now, and both times I get:

pblap:/home/paul/openmoko # md5sum qtopia-4.3.2-080808-gta02-flash.tgz
9f3de59d6f90868e39059ab634a6430b  qtopia-4.3.2-080808-gta02-flash.tgz


Is this the case for anyone else?

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Qtopia issues with 4.3.2-080808

[Paul Buede]

I am not sure the most appropriate place for this, so I will post my
issues here and take them elsewhere if there is a better place for them.

I flashed with the qtopia-4.3.2-080808-rootfs-08081019.jffs2 and
uImage-2.6.24+git30+436204281bcd1fe5999ad6589ea7ab1b5360c352-r2-om-gta02.bin
files.

1.  Since then, as has been noted, my reception is not as good as it was
with the stock OM build. 

2.  Also, speaker phone doesn't work, it just emits a loud constant beep
when in speaker phone mode.

3.  I can pair my bluetooth headset, but it won't work with calls.  I am
able to "ring" it through the bluetooth dialog, and it does show as an
option when I make a call, but if I select it, there is no sound from
it.  The headset does work with my treo 650, so I know it works.

4.  How do I change the number it uses to call voicemail?  It doesn't
seem set and I don't see where to set that value.  With ATT phones, you
are supposed to be able to hold down the 1, and it will call voicemail. 
I assume that is not the case with this phone and I will have to program
it to call my own number and then throw in a bunch of commas for waits,
and then hit * to access voicemail.  This is fine, I just want to be
able to set it.

5.  Is there any documentation on the Qtopia build?  For example, I am
going to export my contacts from palm desktop to a csv I suppose, and
then I will want to import it.  Not sure where or how best to do that
sort of operation.  Whats the right way to do updates on Qtopia?

Finally, my critical stuff is reception and calls, and phone functioning
on wakeup from suspend and such.  I will be happy to test other builds
and OS's if they get that level of stability. 

Thanks

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Software/Firmware

[Hypnotize]

Hi,

Does anybody know a ca date on when the software for the GTA02 will be
consumer ready?

-Morten
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Re: Om2008.8 comments and questions

[Jeremiah Flerchinger]

On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 17:13 -0400, Helmut Tessarek wrote:
> Alright then. What format has the addressbook? A .vcf importer cannot be that 
> hard to develop. It does not even have to be a GUI app.

I'm not sure if it would be worth the effort to work on this just for
2008.8.  One of the phase 2 subsystems for FSO is a PIM manager that
should handle this, although I don't think much work has been done on it
yet.  Maybe working on this for FSO and rolling it into 2008.8 would
make more sense.


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Re: Om2008.8 comments and questions

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Helmut Tessarek wrote:
> ad 2) I was not able to migrate my phonebook from om2007 to om2008. I had a
> backup from my home dir and I had the .vcf files on my sd card. Well,
> entering my 500 contacts is not an option. The keyboard is more or less
> useless, since it takes at least 'number of character' times 2 seconds to
> enter a word, which cannot be guessed by the keyboard 'logic'.
> What about sending contacts via Bluetooth? What about importing vcf files?

The VCF import method mentioned in the wiki works fine for me with the 
addressbook exported by my old k700i. You can run from the terminal which you 
can install using the installer app, or you can run it via SSH, though in 
that case you'll probably want to 'export DISPLAY=:0' first.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts#Import_for_ASU.2FQtopia

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Re: Any progress on the "white screen of death" problem?

[Holger Freyther]

On Tuesday 12 August 2008 22:02:08 Florian Lohoff wrote:

> It seems the new kernel needs another epoch bump otherwise opkg will not
> detect the kernel to be newer so no upgrade here ...
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg list | grep "^kernel "
> kernel - 2:2.6.24+git75940+27fc8d82e365c47065f3a9240bfe21e67a50edf2-r1.01 -
> Linux 2.6.x (development) kernel for FIC SmartPhones shipping w/ Openmoko

Okay, this is coming from OM2008.8.

> kernel - 2:2.6.24+git33+88bf43840b9df0eb0a077a1394eb564be80a412e-r2 - Linux
> 2.6.x (development) kernel for FIC SmartPhones shipping w/ Openmoko

Where is this coming from? The "autobuilder"? We have #1809 to take care of 
that issue. In tonights org.openmoko.asu.dev build the latest stable kernel 
should be build...

In general do not mix feeds and repos, the result is not going to amuse you.

z.

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RE: fledgling open source web tablet project.... similar to moko business model

[steve]

Do you remember this one. I had a blast doing it.
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo2
 
This one
 
http://www.dealtime.com/xPF-Creative-Labs-3D-Blaster-Annihilator-Pro
 
( and a couple dozen others)
 
Did you like this? ( Someday I will tell you guys the real story behind the
Ipod)
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_NOMAD
 
How about this. my first camera. won some kinda art award. You can see the
pixs at whipsaw.com. very cool.
 
 
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE1DD1739F935A35752C1A9659
C8B63
 &sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
 
This was fun but that great. ahead of its time.
 
http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-audio-receivers-dars/creative-sound-blaster-
wireless/4505-6470_7-30557177.html
 
 
So I've been doing new stuff since forever.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-23)
 
I can just say this. We wont be building an airplane. But there are a lot of
interesting ideas kicking around.
 
I've had my fair share  of them, just sayin.
 
 

  _  

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Subject: fledgling open source web tablet project similar to moko
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http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/21/we-want-a-dead-simple-web-tablet-help-u
s-build-it/

so steve, which other products are YOU going to bring us (joke, i know you
have hands somewhat full at the moment )

jw

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RE: Could someone explain me the + + + and the * at the bottom ofthescreen (Om 2008.8) ?

[steve]

The functions will be specific to the app as far as I know.  

 

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ofthescreen (Om 2008.8) ?

Hello,

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:43 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They are place holders. In due course the functionality will be 
> defined and deployed.

Good enough.
How do I remove them / configure them away until you announce that they will
do something useful?

> The * button is for special functions

I'm interested - what special functions?
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RE: Could someone explain me the + + + and the * at the bottom ofthescreen (Om 2008.8) ?

[steve]

1. It will adjusted obviously to make it usable, when the functionality is
added.
2. Its easier to keep them and have them do nothing. As we get more toward a
beta release
   Some of these things will become clearer.  

  when I sat down dith the designers, the first two questions I had were
about
The '+' and '*'  So, I understand your current confusion.





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Subject: Re: Could someone explain me the + + + and the * at the bottom
ofthescreen (Om 2008.8) ?

1. if special is smth to be used frequently then now * got the worst place
-- with finger it is nearly impossible to press in the left bottom corner --
just try

2. in most of the situations those placeholders are EMPTY, so why to keep
them? may be there is a reasonable solution (not too much coding) to hide
them automagically if they are empty?? having empty "+"s is plain silly.
Another option is to make that panel floating as well as the top panel --
click on "^" and it comes up with beautiful "+"s ;-)

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:

> Hello,

> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:43 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > They are place holders. In due course the functionality will be 
> > defined and deployed.

> Good enough.
> How do I remove them / configure them away until you announce that 
> they will do something useful?

> > The * button is for special functions

> I'm interested - what special functions?
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What could be done to improve the OM development process?

[Jeffery Davis]

Two thoughts...

1. Instead of working on multiple concurrent software distributions, why 
not try to rally everyone under one banner for a while?
People are going to work on what they want to work on to some degree, 
but an attempt should be made at least.  Choice is great
and all, but in the beginning I'd rather have one option that works well 
rather than three or four equally terrible options.  There's no need to
go running off in different directions when people still can't receive 
calls reliably, among other issues.

2. Better communication between the development community and the end 
user community.  I have yet to see anyone say they're pleased
as punch with the keyboard.  When almost everyone is unhappy, closing 
bugs as 'working as intended' is pigheaded.

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Re: Usable Keyboard

[Marc Bantle]

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> - this is going to have to sit on a backburner and await whatever spare time i
> find for it as i have resigned from openmoko (effective end of august). 
>   
Sad to hear :-( I'll be missing your straightforward input
to this list besides all the technical progress you brought to
the project.

Cheers, Marc


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Re: Om2008.8 comments and questions

[Jason Hooper]

i think "basic stuff" is subjective.

for example, i just need :

1. send / receive phone calls
2. send / receive text messaging
3. battery life

but obviously this wont be the same for everyone.

1. i think almost everyone can agree on. so the sim card debacle was
an interesting hurdle early.

2. doesnt work in 2008.8 reliably while in sleep. does this weird
thing where the phone wakes up. no sound. and no message in the inbox.
but it definitely senses something. eventually it does show up at some
random point in the future, but i just have to know that theres a
message in there.

3. is absolutely terrible. thought it would last at least a night in
suspend. but it doesnt. so it wont ever even get to the alarm cause
the phone is dead. the persistent lightning bolt is obviously a
problem, but thatll get fixed eventually

i agree with you on contacts to a degree, but i only need name =>
number really. you sound like you have a lot of business contacts with
emails and fax and postals.

..



On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Helmut Tessarek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Wolfgang,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
>> your priorities are our priorities _BUT_ it will still take quite a
>> while, yes.
>
> This is ok, as long as there is progress. The basic features should be really
> the only thing, development is doing right now. The sooner the basic stuff
> works, the sooner the community can enjoy the other fancy features.
>
>> We are not developing a proprietary system and have no interest in
>> doing so. Compatibility with Ubuntu and other distributions is very
>> important.
>
> Alright then. What format has the addressbook? A .vcf importer cannot be that
> hard to develop. It does not even have to be a GUI app.
>
>> I understand your frustration about importing contacts and alarms,
>> thanks for the reminder, and rest assured that these things are indeed
>> very high on our priority list, right after making phone calls and SMS.
>
> Nice to hear.
>
>> Keep us honest if things don't improve fast enough!
>
> I know that developing is a long process and that it takes some time before it
> is ready for GA, but I just had the feeling that the priorities drifted 
> away...
>
> Regards,
>   Helmut
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Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[Clare]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(re GTA01)

>> I'd be fine with a tar.gz - image to put on SD-card. So

> I like the idea too .. and I'm perfectly content with booting my
> neo1973 from SD card ..

+1

clare

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Re: Om2008.8 comments and questions

[Helmut Tessarek]

Hi Wolfgang,

Thank you for your reply.

> your priorities are our priorities _BUT_ it will still take quite a  
> while, yes.

This is ok, as long as there is progress. The basic features should be really 
the only thing, development is doing right now. The sooner the basic stuff 
works, the sooner the community can enjoy the other fancy features.

> We are not developing a proprietary system and have no interest in  
> doing so. Compatibility with Ubuntu and other distributions is very  
> important.

Alright then. What format has the addressbook? A .vcf importer cannot be that 
hard to develop. It does not even have to be a GUI app.

> I understand your frustration about importing contacts and alarms,  
> thanks for the reminder, and rest assured that these things are indeed  
> very high on our priority list, right after making phone calls and SMS.

Nice to hear.

> Keep us honest if things don't improve fast enough!

I know that developing is a long process and that it takes some time before it 
is ready for GA, but I just had the feeling that the priorities drifted away...

Regards,
   Helmut

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RE: Om2008.8 comments and questions

[Nick Van Fossen]

I can't speak for the Openmoko developers, but it is fairly well known that the 
openmoko software is a work in progress with things breaking and being fixed 
very often.  I believe most people who have the Neo phones have them to be part 
of something new that hasn't been done before on a phone, test and play with 
something exciting yet still unfinished, and possibly even contribute to making 
the phone & software even better.  These people also understand that the 
software is a work in progress, and that nothing at this stage in the game is 
guaranteed not to break.  

If your needs actually are a solid and easy phone, with few hiccups, and good 
linux compatibility...  I'm guessing you purchased about a year too early in 
its development.  Remember that opensource development != proprietary 
development, as opensource software is often available to users/developers 
years in advance of it being stable enough to do the work expected of the final 
version... where proprietary software (like the iPhone you mention) is hidden 
from users for years during the stage of development openmoko is currently.  

This is like trying to use the iPhone a year before it was released to the 
public.  It would have been exciting, but few things would have worked 
perfectly, with regressions and inconsistencies between builds just the same.  

Be excited you are part of something new, but to expect solid performance today 
is a bit premature.  I can't wait for mine to arrive next week, working 
features be damned! :)

-Nick



> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:55:39 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Om2008.8 comments and questions
> 
> Hi Openmoko cummunity (and developmen team),
> 
> I'm a little bit concerned about how priorities are set and handled and would 
> like to read your opinion.
> 
> 2 weeks ago I got my Neo Freerunner with Om2007. I was able to get it up and 
> running, even importing my contacts from my old phone wasn't really an issue. 
> WiFi worked ok too.
> 
> Then I flashed my phone with Om2008.8.
> 
> Call me oldfashioned, but I'm one of the guys who wants to use his phone for 
> the 
> reason it was actually built in the first place: making phone calls.
> I expect only 3 things from a phone (which are the most basic things a phone 
> should be able to accomplish):
> 
> 1) making and receiving calls
> 2) managing contacts
> 3) alarm function
> 
> I will go in more detail regarding these 3 points in a moment. I know that 
> the 
> phone has overwhelming features and I would like to see them in action, but 
> first I should be able to use it as a phone. I don't care about GPS, games or 
> a 
> graphical installer right now.
> 
> ad 2) I was not able to migrate my phonebook from om2007 to om2008. I had a 
> backup from my home dir and I had the .vcf files on my sd card. Well, 
> entering 
> my 500 contacts is not an option. The keyboard is more or less useless, since 
> it 
> takes at least 'number of character' times 2 seconds to enter a word, which 
> cannot be guessed by the keyboard 'logic'.
> What about sending contacts via Bluetooth? What about importing vcf files?
> 
> ad 3) this does not work either. sometimes I can see an alarm icon, but no 
> alarm 
> tone. hmmm, not much of an alarm then.
> 
> These are basic functions which do not work and people are talking about 
> GTA03, 
> cameras, GPS mapping functions.
> I don't get it. First of all the phone should be able to do at least things 
> that 
> a 50$ phone can do.
> 
> I bought the openmoko phone, because I'm using Linux and I thought that it 
> would 
> be easier to sync contact and calendar data with my workstation.
> I was definitely wrong. The data is not even compatible between Om releases.
> Furthermore it seems to me that a propriatary system is developed which makes 
> it 
> even harder to communicate with standard Linux distros.
> In that case I could have bought the iPhone as well. At least that phone 
> works.
> 
> As long as the priorities are not focused on basic features as I described 
> above, this phone will not be useable for quite a while.
> 
> Regards,
>Helmut
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Re: Om2008.8 comments and questions

[Helmut Tessarek]

Hi Steven,

The phone was suspended and honestly it has to work if it is suspended. 
Otherwise the phone would be fully up everytime I set an alarm?

Helmut

On 12.08.2008 15:00, Steven ** wrote:
> I think this is related to the bug where sound is lost when you
> suspend/resume.  As Om2008.8 likes to suspend a LOT, chances are it
> suspended before your alarm could go off.  At least, I think that's
> what happened on my attempts.
> 
> I don't know if the alarm wakes the phone up or not.  Didn't really check 
> that.


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Re: dfu_util and preflash-Backup

[Hans L]

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Christian Weßel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had a look at the ticket and I searched for a button to add
> information to it, sadly not found.
> I hope, that someone of the dfu_util developer will read here too.

You will need to register an account with Openmoko Trac, and then log
in before you can create or edit bugs.

Hans

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Re: Where are the Om2008.8 Updates?

[Cliff Brake]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Geoff Ruscoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to +1 this.  No battery status only the charging lightning bolt (even
> when its not plugged in).

+1 for me as well ...

My unit also seems to drain the battery very quickly in suspend, where
the FSO milestone 2 release seemed to have good bat life.  But this
may be related to the battery status not displaying correctly.

Cliff

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Re: Om2008.8 keyboard wishlist

[Daniel Benoy]

You can apt-get it under Debian and run it on the hardware.  It's pretty slow 
with the Xglamo server, and completely unusably slow with the xorg framebuffer 
server that you'll generally find on a Debian install.

Personally, though, I'm wondering what kind of development efforts would be 
required to have the option of using completely custom 'third party' (for lack 
of a better term) input-method software, so that I can just opkg remove 
official-keyboard; opkg install dasher-input  .. or something like that :)

As far as I know, if you're going to use illume/qtopia-x11 for launching 
software and making calls, then that's the keyboard you have, like it or not... 
and changing it means changing your window manager and such.

I'd like to be wrong about that, so someone please correct me if I am.

On Tuesday 12 August 2008 15:31:05 Steven ** wrote:
> I tried to compile Dasher for Openmoko.  I failed...  Too many
> dependencies and libraries that refused to compile for me.
> 
> -Steven
> 
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Also, I'm interested in the imput method software called 'Dasher' 
> > http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/  Perhaps someone might consider 
> > making a version of this which replaces the om2008.8 keyboard (Or you can 
> > toggle to it or something.)
> >
> > Another thing that Dasher does that may be useful with openmoko, is that 
> > instead of dictionary files, it accepts 'training files' which are example 
> > files of ordinary typing, and it gets its suggestions for the next 
> > character/word while your typing from what's contained in that file, and 
> > what you've typed since.
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Re: Any progress on the "white screen of death" problem?

[Florian Lohoff]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 08:14:10PM +0100, Andy Green wrote:
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> | I assume that's a kernel for Om2008.8.  Are those kernels compatible
> | with OM2007.2 still?
> 
> There's only one kind of kernel kicking around.  Upgrade by package
> though rather than DFU if at all possible.

It seems the new kernel needs another epoch bump otherwise opkg will not
detect the kernel to be newer so no upgrade here ...

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg list | grep "^kernel "
kernel - 2:2.6.24+git75940+27fc8d82e365c47065f3a9240bfe21e67a50edf2-r1.01 - 
Linux
2.6.x (development) kernel for FIC SmartPhones shipping w/ Openmoko
kernel - 2:2.6.24+git33+88bf43840b9df0eb0a077a1394eb564be80a412e-r2 -
Linux 2.6.x (development) kernel for FIC SmartPhones shipping w/ 
Openmoko

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Re: Om2008.8 keyboard wishlist

[Steven **]

I tried to compile Dasher for Openmoko.  I failed...  Too many
dependencies and libraries that refused to compile for me.

-Steven

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also, I'm interested in the imput method software called 'Dasher' 
> http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/  Perhaps someone might consider 
> making a version of this which replaces the om2008.8 keyboard (Or you can 
> toggle to it or something.)
>
> Another thing that Dasher does that may be useful with openmoko, is that 
> instead of dictionary files, it accepts 'training files' which are example 
> files of ordinary typing, and it gets its suggestions for the next 
> character/word while your typing from what's contained in that file, and what 
> you've typed since.

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Re: Any progress on the "white screen of death" problem?

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| I assume that's a kernel for Om2008.8.  Are those kernels compatible
| with OM2007.2 still?

There's only one kind of kernel kicking around.  Upgrade by package
though rather than DFU if at all possible.

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Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08? -> SOLVED ?

[Andreas Hennig]

I dont have the file /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/Full-
QWERTY.kbd
But after boot i can see the full qwerty keyboard to enter the SIM-pin and 1 
sec later enlightenment crashes and afer recover the old keyboard is back :-(


Am Monday 11 August 2008 schrieb Olivier Berger:
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:10:20 +0200 Olivier Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
babbled:
> >> DooD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> > Hmm figured out why my above fix was only working on my asu build and
> >> > not my om2008.8 need to install
> >> >
> >> > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/illume_0.0+svnr196-r12
> >> >_armv4t.ipk
> >> >
> >> > this version seems to let me use whatever keyboard i like, which is
> >> > how it should be. hope it doesnt magically disappear >.> .
> >>
> >> Would you care to elaborate on "let me use whatever keyboard i like" ?
> >>
> >> Maybe you may add a howto into
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle ?
> >>
> >> Many thanks in advance.
> >
> > illume's code can use it's internal keyboard, do nothing at all (and just
> > wait until some external keyboard  is run - like qpe does) or run a
> > keyboard process for you. it even will queue multiple keyboards if more
> > than 1 was launched - but it works with a first-come-first-served policy
> > there. the gui config is simple (chose none, internal default or some of
> > N others). the gui will list any .desktop files it found that have
> > "Keyboard" in the categories list for the .desktop.
>
> Thanks alot for these details.
>
> And glad some nice soul added details to :
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard#Using_the_Full_Qwerty_keybo
>ard
>
> I call it an issue solved by the community while the support staff was
> on weekend break ;-)
>
> > but of course this config dialog isn't really meant to be
> > supported. not in ASU/2008.8 so it's more of a "if you somehow find it
> > and get it up - use at your own risk".
> >
> > :)
>
> You mean OM 2008.8 *is* supported ? ;-) ... sorry, couldn't help it.
>
> Well, more seriously : as it fixes a major usability defect of OM 2008.8,
> I'd expect it to be supported !
>
> Best regards,


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Re: Any progress on the "white screen of death" problem?

[Steven **]

I assume that's a kernel for Om2008.8.  Are those kernels compatible
with OM2007.2 still?

-Steven

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Today's kernel package has a patch from Mike Westerhof he reckoned might
> impact it somewhat, if it is caused by the GSM interrupt stuff.
>
> - -Andy

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Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - gui not drawing

[Steven **]

FYI, I submitted at least part of this issue a few days ago:
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1786

-Steven

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Geoff Ruscoe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Risto H. Kurppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> And is this patch for tangogps or general gtk stuff.. To me it looks
>> it doesn't have much to do with tango..
>>
>
> It looks to me as though this is something that should be in the 2008.08
> deployment (opkg update anybody?).

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Re: Om2008.8 comments and questions

[Steven **]

I think this is related to the bug where sound is lost when you
suspend/resume.  As Om2008.8 likes to suspend a LOT, chances are it
suspended before your alarm could go off.  At least, I think that's
what happened on my attempts.

I don't know if the alarm wakes the phone up or not.  Didn't really check that.

-Steven

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Helmut Tessarek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ad 3) this does not work either. sometimes I can see an alarm icon, but no 
> alarm
> tone. hmmm, not much of an alarm then.

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Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!

[Steven **]

The trick may work.  But I'm not sure booting from an SD works if the
first partition is a swap partition (as opposed to the vfat parition
it expects).  Can you boot from SD with your setup?  Or is that not
something you mess with?

-Steven

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> On 8/11/08, Pawel Kowalak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> It's not that easy. But IIRC somebody on OLPC tracker stated that
>>  this problem no longer occurs in 2.4.26. We'll see when Andy switch
>>  us to 2.4.26 ;)
>
> That was me. OLPC is on 2.6.25 BTW, perhaps with upstream patches.
>
> I also posted a workaround that might avoid data loss when the
> partition table gets hosed, see
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/026156.html
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Re: Any progress on the "white screen of death" problem?

[Ole Kliemann]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 07:43:11PM +0200, Rorschach wrote:
> I installed: 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/uImage-2.6.24+git33+88bf43840b9df0eb0a077a1394eb564be80a412e-r2-om-gta02.bin
>  
> 
> First good news: * the battery-indicator is now fully working, showing if 
> charging/discharging and the degree of fullness of the battery
> 
> Now the bad news: * WSOD is not fixed with this, I'm filing a bug tomorrow 
> about this issue although it longer known on the ML

I think, there already is a bug filed.

http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1621

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Re: Om2008.8 comments and questions

[Wolfgang Spraul]

Dear Helmut,
your priorities are our priorities _BUT_ it will still take quite a  
while, yes.
 From what you write, you seem to be indeed the perfect customer we  
are focusing our efforts on.
You have a Linux system on your desktop or notebook already, you are  
looking for a phone that works well with it.
At the beginning, you want to use the phone only for 'basic' phone  
usage.

How to get there? Well, I see a lot of development momentum building  
now, our ca. 20 internal software engineers don't actually make that  
big of a difference.
Great low-level patches are coming already, we are now trying to  
straighten up the build system to something more like Debian with  
stable/testing/unstable.
We are not developing a proprietary system and have no interest in  
doing so. Compatibility with Ubuntu and other distributions is very  
important.

I understand your frustration about importing contacts and alarms,  
thanks for the reminder, and rest assured that these things are indeed  
very high on our priority list, right after making phone calls and SMS.
Keep us honest if things don't improve fast enough!
Best Regards,
Wolfgang

On Aug 13, 2008, at 1:55 AM, Helmut Tessarek wrote:

> Hi Openmoko cummunity (and developmen team),
>
> I'm a little bit concerned about how priorities are set and handled  
> and would
> like to read your opinion.
>
> 2 weeks ago I got my Neo Freerunner with Om2007. I was able to get  
> it up and
> running, even importing my contacts from my old phone wasn't really  
> an issue.
> WiFi worked ok too.
>
> Then I flashed my phone with Om2008.8.
>
> Call me oldfashioned, but I'm one of the guys who wants to use his  
> phone for the
> reason it was actually built in the first place: making phone calls.
> I expect only 3 things from a phone (which are the most basic things  
> a phone
> should be able to accomplish):
>
> 1) making and receiving calls
> 2) managing contacts
> 3) alarm function
>
> I will go in more detail regarding these 3 points in a moment. I  
> know that the
> phone has overwhelming features and I would like to see them in  
> action, but
> first I should be able to use it as a phone. I don't care about GPS,  
> games or a
> graphical installer right now.
>
> ad 2) I was not able to migrate my phonebook from om2007 to om2008.  
> I had a
> backup from my home dir and I had the .vcf files on my sd card.  
> Well, entering
> my 500 contacts is not an option. The keyboard is more or less  
> useless, since it
> takes at least 'number of character' times 2 seconds to enter a  
> word, which
> cannot be guessed by the keyboard 'logic'.
> What about sending contacts via Bluetooth? What about importing vcf  
> files?
>
> ad 3) this does not work either. sometimes I can see an alarm icon,  
> but no alarm
> tone. hmmm, not much of an alarm then.
>
> These are basic functions which do not work and people are talking  
> about GTA03,
> cameras, GPS mapping functions.
> I don't get it. First of all the phone should be able to do at least  
> things that
> a 50$ phone can do.
>
> I bought the openmoko phone, because I'm using Linux and I thought  
> that it would
> be easier to sync contact and calendar data with my workstation.
> I was definitely wrong. The data is not even compatible between Om  
> releases.
> Furthermore it seems to me that a propriatary system is developed  
> which makes it
> even harder to communicate with standard Linux distros.
> In that case I could have bought the iPhone as well. At least that  
> phone works.
>
> As long as the priorities are not focused on basic features as I  
> described
> above, this phone will not be useable for quite a while.
>
> Regards,
>   Helmut
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Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!

[Andrew Burgess]

On 8/11/08, Pawel Kowalak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's not that easy. But IIRC somebody on OLPC tracker stated that
>  this problem no longer occurs in 2.4.26. We'll see when Andy switch
>  us to 2.4.26 ;)

That was me. OLPC is on 2.6.25 BTW, perhaps with upstream patches.

I also posted a workaround that might avoid data loss when the
partition table gets hosed, see
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/026156.html

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Re: Om2008.8 comments and questions

[Jeffery Davis]

> I don't get it. First of all the phone should be able to do at least things 
> that 
> a 50$ phone can do.
>   

Forget $50, there are probably millions of phones that can handle those 
things sitting in landfills.

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Om2008.8 comments and questions

[Helmut Tessarek]

Hi Openmoko cummunity (and developmen team),

I'm a little bit concerned about how priorities are set and handled and would 
like to read your opinion.

2 weeks ago I got my Neo Freerunner with Om2007. I was able to get it up and 
running, even importing my contacts from my old phone wasn't really an issue. 
WiFi worked ok too.

Then I flashed my phone with Om2008.8.

Call me oldfashioned, but I'm one of the guys who wants to use his phone for 
the 
reason it was actually built in the first place: making phone calls.
I expect only 3 things from a phone (which are the most basic things a phone 
should be able to accomplish):

1) making and receiving calls
2) managing contacts
3) alarm function

I will go in more detail regarding these 3 points in a moment. I know that the 
phone has overwhelming features and I would like to see them in action, but 
first I should be able to use it as a phone. I don't care about GPS, games or a 
graphical installer right now.

ad 2) I was not able to migrate my phonebook from om2007 to om2008. I had a 
backup from my home dir and I had the .vcf files on my sd card. Well, entering 
my 500 contacts is not an option. The keyboard is more or less useless, since 
it 
takes at least 'number of character' times 2 seconds to enter a word, which 
cannot be guessed by the keyboard 'logic'.
What about sending contacts via Bluetooth? What about importing vcf files?

ad 3) this does not work either. sometimes I can see an alarm icon, but no 
alarm 
tone. hmmm, not much of an alarm then.

These are basic functions which do not work and people are talking about GTA03, 
cameras, GPS mapping functions.
I don't get it. First of all the phone should be able to do at least things 
that 
a 50$ phone can do.

I bought the openmoko phone, because I'm using Linux and I thought that it 
would 
be easier to sync contact and calendar data with my workstation.
I was definitely wrong. The data is not even compatible between Om releases.
Furthermore it seems to me that a propriatary system is developed which makes 
it 
even harder to communicate with standard Linux distros.
In that case I could have bought the iPhone as well. At least that phone works.

As long as the priorities are not focused on basic features as I described 
above, this phone will not be useable for quite a while.

Regards,
   Helmut

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Re: Any progress on the "white screen of death" problem?

[Rorschach]

I installed: 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/uImage-2.6.24+git33+88bf43840b9df0eb0a077a1394eb564be80a412e-r2-om-gta02.bin
 

First good news: * the battery-indicator is now fully working, showing if 
charging/discharging and the degree of fullness of the battery

Now the bad news: * WSOD is not fixed with this, I'm filing a bug tomorrow 
about this issue although it longer known on the ML


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Re: Where are the Om2008.8 Updates?

[Geoff Ruscoe]

I want to +1 this.  No battery status only the charging lightning bolt (even
when its not plugged in).

I deployed the kernel from the buildhost 2008.08.couple days ago and have
the same problem no usb ethernet.  Had to reinstall original kernel to fix
this.

I couldn't find a bug for this.  Is everyone using 2008.08 having this same
issue?

And +1 also that opkg update ; opkg upgrade hasn't upgraded anything yet...




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> Hello,
>
> i have the Om2008.8 on my device.
>
> But over the Insteller Update function never recieved any updateable
> Packages, also over the
> opkg manual update && upgrade (i pushed nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf) .
>
> So, there ist a problem with the battery charge level (it only shows the
> blizzard) and i updated the
> kenerl from daly buildhost and this will be fixed. now there is no ethernet
> over usb possible.
> i think the modules does not match the kernel (or something like that). now
> i ask: where can i find
> the updates for om 2008.8 and the matching new kernel. will there be new
> Images for kernel and
> rootfs?
>
> please help me..
>
>  Carci
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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-ba sed Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Paul-Valentin Borza]

Thanks! :)

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Urivan Saaib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Paul,
>
> Congratulations! This is a great advance feature. I'll be using it a lot!
>
> Regards,
>
> ==Original message text===
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 0:35:39 PDT "Paul-Valentin Borza" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing
> what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project:
>
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
> There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I
> will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just
> seen in the YouTube video.
>
> Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have
> encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I
> will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary
> development
> target.
>
> More on http://gestures.borza.ro
> Thanks,
> Paul
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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Paul-Valentin Borza]

Ok, I'll take that into consideration. Right now, I'm discussing with John
Lee on how to integrate gestures into the framework, so we could definitely
add such a behavior.

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Great! Thanks for the info. This seems to give applications devs lots of
> potential.
>
> Any chance of you adding "shakes" to the gestures? This would be ideal for
> the "ball bearings in a tin can" style of unread email message-count.
>
> I was about to say "any chance of you adding shaking to the gestures?" but
> after I waving my hand around like an idiot it seems to me that one's
>  natural movement is not to shake with the randomness I initially assumed.
> Instead, if I wanted to hear quantity of messages in my inbox, I would
> instinctively shake quickly right-and-returning-leftwards two to four times.
>
> This adds the opportunity to shake forward and back a couple of times for
> number of SMS messages or for battery fullness (I like the Glasgow Uni's
> idea of using a splashing sound for that).
>
> (Just read your subsequent posts - I'm glad to read that gestures can
> easily be taught to the device. But you also ask for suggested gestures, so
> I think these above would be useful. I envision them to be made quite
> rapidly.)
>
> Stroller.
>
>
> On 11 Aug 2008, at 17:46, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
>
>  The fact that is currently undocumented is all my fault. Sorry for that -
>> I'll catch up this weekend. Till then, I have to work on the release.
>>
>> Yes, there are 2 daemons, one that processes the gestures and sends
>> signals on dbus, and a listener daemon that listens for gestures and runs
>> the actions for each gesture.
>>
>>  I'm slightly disappointed that the "shaking inbox" wouldn't be
>>> accommodated by the gestures you've made available.
>>> http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html
>>>
>>> ...
>>> A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate on
>>> the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended to fulfil
>>> all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy to add new
>>> gestures?
>>>
>>
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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Paul-Valentin Borza]

Hmm.. Don't know what to say here. Are you using the 2008.8?
Older versions of rootfs used to make one accelerometer work, and the other
do not; but I never encountered BOTH of the accelerometers not working...

Paul

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Monday 11 August 2008 12:44:10 Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> > Your probably using an older version, since what you just saw in the
> video
> > is not released yet :)
> > I will release a package this week.
> > try hexdump /dev/input/event2
> > and hexdump /dev/input/event3
> >
> > and restart your Neo :)
>
> Yes I am.
>
> hexdump /dev/input/event2 and hexdump /dev/input/event3 output nothing.
>  Even if I pick up my neo and wiggle it (Not sure if that's necessary.. but
> I thought I'd try it.. :/  Since it's just giving me nothing)
>
> No debug output in dmesg (When I try reading, or that I can find in the
> bootup output)
>
> I just tried upgrading my kernel (
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080810/uImage-2.6.24+git32+2438a8c74c495c95f5b78301a44ed8e8d0b267d5-r2-om-gta02.bin),
> rebooting, etc.  Same problem.
>
> Perhaps my accelerometers are broken?  I imagine it's either that or the
> kernel.  I opened a ticket on bugzilla.
>
> > Paul
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hm.  Didn't work when I tried your gesd-neo.sh script.  No output.
> > >
> > > So, I tried the accelerometer test script here
> > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval  Still no
> > > output.
> > >
> > > Is there something I have to do to turn the accelerometers on?
> > >
> > > On Monday 11 August 2008 03:35:39 Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video
> > > showing
> > > > what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures
> project:
> > > >
> > >
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
> > > >
> > > > There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI,
> but I
> > > > will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything
> you've
> > > just
> > > > seen in the YouTube video.
> > > >
> > > > Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I
> have
> > > > encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> > > > This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the
> contrary,
> > > I
> > > > will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary
> > > development
> > > > target.
> > > >
> > > > More on http://gestures.borza.ro
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - gui not drawing

[Geoff Ruscoe]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Risto H. Kurppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> And is this patch for tangogps or general gtk stuff.. To me it looks
> it doesn't have much to do with tango..
>
>
It looks to me as though this is something that should be in the 2008.08
deployment (opkg update anybody?).

I would like to thank Marcus for what a great job he's done with tangogps.
I use it more than any other app on the freerunner.  I would like to point
out that tangogps specific stuff probably belongs attached to the tangogps
site rather than here.  I have thought about looking into that as well but
so far this is the closest thing I've done to it.

Thanks again Marcus!  Super glad the app works on 2008.08 (as with many I
was worried).
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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Paul-Valentin Borza]

Ok, I understand now. They can be made like you just said, only that I need
to recalibrate the whole thing, so that more states are created per cycle.
I'll try in a future release. Right now I'm concentrating on the UI, and
writing docs on the Wiki.

Thanks,
Paul

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Ross Woodruff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I dont mean short gestures, those gestures were fine length wise, just
> your arm movements were big if that makes sense, for example the cirlce
> you made a really big circle, but is it not possible to make a much
> smaller circle and for the left and right ones, do you have to move it
> that far to the right or would just flicking it to the side work?
>
> Hope that makes sense
>
> Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> > Those were some gestures that I thought were useful to use - due to
> > lack of imagination for short gestures.
> > If anyone can think to some short gestures, please tell me how these
> > short gestures should look like, and I'll create them.
> > We're not constraint to use those gestures, not at all.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Ross Woodruff
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > Dont have my freerunner yet but that really is a great bit of
> > work, keep
> > it up, can see this being really useful, only criticism some of the
> > gestures seems to be a little, well, over the top, I mean, if I was
> on
> > the bus and I started doing the Z shape for example people would
> think
> > what I was upto, do the gestures have to the this exagerated or
> > was that
> > just for the demo so people could clearly see what you were doing?
> >
> > Paul-Valentin Borza wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video
> > > showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based
> > gestures
> > > project:
> > >
> >
> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
> > >
> > > There still are some things that need to be worked on for the
> > GUI, but
> > > I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything
> > > you've just seen in the YouTube video.
> > >
> > > Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I
> > > have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
> > > This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the
> > > contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for
> my
> > > primary development target.
> > >
> > > More on http://gestures.borza.ro
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Paul
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Re: Freerunner with latest qtopia, poor GSM

[Jonathan Spooner]

Its a new problem.  However as I said I'd not tried using the freerunner 
as my primary phone till now.

Regards,

Jon


Tim Erwin wrote:
>> I've been running my freerunner with the 08/08/2008 qtopia release.  Now
>> I'm using it as a phone I've noticed the GSM reception is poor... or
>> more to the point qtopia seems to spend as much time reporting "No
>> network" as it does with a signal.
>> 
>
> I am using the qtopia 080808 release and have no problem with the
> reception. Did you notice this with the previous qtopia or openmoko
> release? Or is this a new problem?
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: Any progress on the "white screen of death" problem?

[Rorschach]

> Today's kernel package has a patch from Mike Westerhof he reckoned might
> impact it somewhat, if it is caused by the GSM interrupt stuff.
> 
> - -Andy

thanks,
I'll try it right now and will report about it. Also if I think it is more 
related to the xserver<->xglamo stuff.


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Re: Any progress on the "white screen of death" problem?

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Hi, I think my FR with 2008.8 is nearly ready for daily usage. The
| only thing which is stopping this, is the "white screen of death"
| problem. So when I suspend for more than 5min or so I can't resume.
| It always just gives me a blank white screen and I have to reboot. Is
| there any progress about this problem? Some workaround or
| dev-patches?

Today's kernel package has a patch from Mike Westerhof he reckoned might
impact it somewhat, if it is caused by the GSM interrupt stuff.

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Re: Any progress on the "white screen of death" problem?

[Steven Kurylo]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Rorschach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> I think my FR with 2008.8 is nearly ready for daily usage. The only thing 
> which is stopping this, is the "white screen of death" problem. So when I 
> suspend for more than 5min or so I can't resume. It always just gives me a 
> blank white screen and I have to reboot. Is there any progress about this 
> problem? Some workaround or dev-patches?

Have you filed a bug?  Or looked for an existing one?

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Re: FR and debian, seems it's progressing

[Robert Taylor]

This is great news.

I am looking forward to running a distro on this thing with a PROPER 
security model ... no users running as root.

Thanks for linkage!

R.

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Any progress on the "white screen of death" problem?

[Rorschach]

Hi,
I think my FR with 2008.8 is nearly ready for daily usage. The only thing which 
is stopping this, is the "white screen of death" problem. So when I suspend for 
more than 5min or so I can't resume. It always just gives me a blank white 
screen and I have to reboot. Is there any progress about this problem? Some 
workaround or dev-patches?


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Re: FR and debian, seems it's progressing

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

> Just for the record: I just made a successful call on debian. Only hit
cool!
can you receive calls? ;-)

> In case anybody is interested the process listing looks like

> ginger:~# ps axf
>   PID TTY  STAT   TIME COMMAND

we better get hands on your /etc (/etc/apt in particular) and dpkg 
--get-selections ;-)

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Re: New user saying hi

[Chris Barnard]

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert William Hutton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I've bought a Neo Freerunner and debug board - all looks pretty good so
>> far. This is my first real use of Linux and I'm beginning to feel like
>> I'm throwing myself off the deep end a bit, but I'm a self-taught
>
> Congrats on making it this far.  Believe me when I say that as a
> programmer you might find it difficult to go back to whatever non-unixy
> OS you used to use.  It's addictive. ;)

Thanks, it must be pretty addictive as I was up until gone 3am messing 
around with the thing! I was a bit late to work this morning ;)

>
>> What really interested me about this project however was the possibility
>> that I might be able to get into the user interface development a bit. I
>> have a few ideas for a mobile GUI that I'd like to put into practice. So
>
> I think you should probably get started with "themes".  In the various
> windowing toolkits that are in use there are themes that control how
> widgets are drawn and such.  For example, the GTK theme files are here:
>
> /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
>
> See this ML post:
>
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/025711.html
>
> There should be similar mechanisms for theming the other toolkits, such
> as qtopia somewhere as well.

Thanks for this.. I'm finding it a bit difficult to get to the right 
information at the moment, but I think I'm getting the hang of it.

> So, that allows you to control the appearance of the existing widgets
> and such.  Next you'll need to actually start changing the code of the
> apps that actually draw the widgets.  You'll need to download the
> development environment and start looking at the code.  Which is beyond
> my abilities right now, but there is a bit of info floating around on
> the ML and in the wiki about getting this all set up.
>
> HTH! :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob
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Re: Could someone explain me the + + + and the * at the bottom of thescreen (Om 2008.8) ?

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

1. if special is smth to be used frequently then now * got the worst
place -- with finger it is nearly impossible to press in the left bottom
corner -- just try

2. in most of the situations those placeholders are EMPTY, so why to
keep them? may be there is a reasonable solution (not too much coding)
to hide them automagically if they are empty?? having empty "+"s is
plain silly. Another option is to make that panel floating as well as
the top panel -- click on "^" and it comes up with beautiful "+"s ;-)

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:

> Hello,

> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:43 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > They are place holders. In due course the functionality will be defined and
> > deployed.

> Good enough.
> How do I remove them / configure them away until you announce that
> they will do something useful?

> > The * button is for special functions

> I'm interested - what special functions?
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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

[Steven **]

I dunno.  I started regretting not ordering the full body protector
the other day.  Right after my Freerunner slipped out of my hand as I
got out of my car.  Hit some nice hard concrete.  Now it has several
scuffs/divots along the sides.  :-(

The good news is, the Freerunner is the first phone I've had that I
might be able to order a replacement case some day.

-Steven

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:24 AM, David Pottage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I orderd the full body protector, but now that I have it, I don't think it
> is worth having. All I received was a screen protector, and a series of
> cut out section, which are meant to be molded around the case. It would
> probably work well for something with a flat face like an iPod, but I
> don't think it would work for the freerunner.
>
> I would suggest that anyone else buys just the screen protector.
>
> --
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Re: Status of GTA3

[Steven Kurylo]

> Does anyone know the current developmentstate of the GTA03?
> I have read something about end of 2008. I wish but cant believe that this
> is true.
> Does anyone know mor details?

There are no details.  Anything you read is complete conjecture.

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Re: python on FR, need a little help

[Christian Weßel]

Am Dienstag, den 12.08.2008, 16:45 +0200 schrieb Bumbl:
> someone @irc had a look on the wicd code
> and told me that huge parts have to be rewritten to
> run it with the openmoko
> 
> wicd assumes for example that a wireless interface
> has to be named wlan0

That problem is solved. I got the latest version wicd-1.5.1 and now I am
discussing with the developers about a problem by
configuration/installation of wicd.

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[QUESTION]openmoko 2008.8, size?

[Thomas Bertani]

Hi.

How many megabytes needs the asu?


Thx, sorry for my bad english
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Re: python on FR, need a little help

[Bumbl]

someone @irc had a look on the wicd code
and told me that huge parts have to be rewritten to
run it with the openmoko

wicd assumes for example that a wireless interface
has to be named wlan0

Christian Weßel wrote:
> Am Montag, den 11.08.2008, 17:58 +0200 schrieb Rorschach:
>   
>> What happenbs if you start wicd from the console?
>>
>> python wicd/daemon.py
>> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# python /opt/wicd/daemon.py/opt/wicd
> wicd daemon: pid 1894
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# lono wireless extensions.
>
> usb0  no wireless extensions.
>
> lono wireless extensions.
>
> usb0  no wireless extensions.
>
> ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device
> None  Interface doesn't support scanning.
>
> sh: ethtool: not found
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# ps -ef|grep daemon
> ...
> root  1894 1  4 16:35 ?00:00:02
> python /opt/wicd/daemon.py
> ...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# 
>
>   
>> python wicd/gui.py
>> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# python /opt/wicd/gui.py   
> /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:69: GtkWarning:
> could not open display
>   warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning)
> attempting to connect daemon...
> success
> starting gui.py...
>
> (gui.py:1911): libglade-WARNING **: Error loading image: Failed to open
> file 'data/wicd.png': No such file or directory
>
> (gui.py:1911): libglade-WARNING **: could not convert string to type
> `GdkPixbuf' for property `icon'
> Segmentation fault
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# 
>
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# python /opt/wicd/gui.py
> attempting to connect daemon...
> success
> starting gui.py...
> refreshing...
> Number of wireless networks detected: 0
> refreshing...
> Number of wireless networks detected: 0
>
> The daemon seems to be running.
> A gui is opened with a three items on top (Network, Disconnect, Refresh)
> and the message 'No wireless networks found.' in the middle of the
> screen.
> At the same time at my ssh console I receive 'ifconfig: none: error
> fetching interface information: Device not found' each half second.
> Before that I saw 'sh: ethtool: not found'.
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Re: Fitting full-body InvisibleShield - order of application?

[Vinc Duran]

I didn't place the original post but I was thinking I should.
It took a long time for me to get the full body protection on. Here's my
recommendation.

   - Take the battery out
   - Reassemble the unit
   - Install all side strips
   - Install the back
   - Install the front
   - Install the screen
   - Let it dry and harden overnight and don't touch it all after the pieces
   are on right!

A couple of my pieces are a little funny. I think I slid the unit slightly
placing it on a table to dry.
Vinc

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Eildert Groeneveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Stroller wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
>
> >
>
> > I'm sure someone posted a week or two ago a suggestion to do certain
>
> > sections first when fitting the full-body InvisibleShield, because
>
> > they said it's easier that way.
>
> >
>
> I had to repeatedly hard reset the FR by ripping out the battery. How do
> you handle that with the full body IS?
>
> greetings
>
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Re: Fitting full-body InvisibleShield - order of application?

[Stephen Shelton]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 02:44:56PM +0100, Stroller wrote:
> I _think_ they mentioned that the sides are particularly fiddly and  
> to do them first. Or was it last? I'm knackered if I can find their  
> post now, but if anyone has any suggestions before I proceed to foul  
> it all up I'd be grateful.
> 
> Stroller.
> 

I would definitely not do the sides first. I did the front first, but in
retrospect it might have been better to do the back first. I would most
certainly do the sides last (they were the easy part.) 

You may be recalling that the thread (i'm just speculating here) said that the 
tabs on the side were hard (the folds from the top and bottom piece, not the
long strips that go along the side). These will not want to bend and you will 
have to constantly push them down for 30 minutes or so. Just be patient.

If I were to reapply mine, I'd wait a day to do the sides, and make sure the
front and back pieces were situated adequately.

Last bit of advice, pay some extra attention to aligning the front and back. The
front is a bit harder to screw up because there are holes to help you align it,
but the back is a bit more error prone. My back is slightly higher than it
should be and there is some slight overlap of it and the strip along the top of
the phone.

That all said, I'm very pleased with the invisible shield, and two of my
colleagues have been impressed enough to order them for their phones.

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Re: Fitting full-body InvisibleShield - order of application?

[arne anka]

> handle that with the full body IS?

have a look at the website and check for what they mean with "full body".

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Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

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Hi all

Finally I am near to the finish line, I think I missed linux world, but
in the end I made something that could be useful for someone:

I opened a project in launchpad:

http://launchpad.net/ogino-gtk

Until now this program is available only on .deb package, so to use it
you need Debian/Ubuntu.

I am waiting for my FR ( I know Pulter shipped me today :) to build the
IPK version.


If you want feel free to try it. The two package can be found on:

http://rubino.dyndns.org/

Until now there is only a known bug: when you change the application
language you need to close and to open another time the application.
I will try to fix this bug as soon as possible

I actually need translator for it. There are around 50 lines to be
translated (I suggest to use PoEdit).

Who want to join please contact me. Actually it is translated in 3
language: English, Italian, Romanian. Who know another language and want
to help me please contact me.


Who has some suggestion or found some bugs please reply to this email or
contact direct to me.


Best regards
Michele Renda

steve wrote:
> Of course!!! Every toolkit  is allowed.
> 
> The whole point about FSO is to free people to pick their toolkit!
> 
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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

[Kevin Zuber]

Am Dienstag, den 12.08.2008, 16:13 +0200 schrieb Christ van Willegen:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Stroller
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > An update: my order arrived yesterday.
> >
> > It looks like it is the original shipment from 7/7/8 and it arrived
> > on 11/8/8 (European date ordering).
> >
> > This is on the "7-11 business-day shipping", so only 20 or so
> > overdue. I'm sure the delay was "not Zagg's fault", but they'd be
> > doing themselves a favour if they gave more conservative estimates on
> > their website.
> 
> On July 8th, I've received confirmation that 2 shipments were on their
> way. The first I got in about a week, the second hasn't arrived yet.
> The first contained 3 shields, the second contained the FR shield.
> Since you mentioned that it arrived yesterday, I'm getting my hopes up
> to get it one of these days...
> 
> Christ van Willegen

I got my order Confirmation on 5th Aug and the Shipping Confirmation on
7th Aug. It arrived today on 12t Aug here in germany, so very fast.


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Re: Fitting full-body InvisibleShield - order of application?

[Eildert Groeneveld]

On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Stroller wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm sure someone posted a week or two ago a suggestion to do certain
> sections first when fitting the full-body InvisibleShield, because
> they said it's easier that way.
>
I had to repeatedly hard reset the FR by ripping out the battery. How do you 
handle that with the full body IS?

greetings

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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

[Christ van Willegen]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Stroller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> An update: my order arrived yesterday.
>
> It looks like it is the original shipment from 7/7/8 and it arrived
> on 11/8/8 (European date ordering).
>
> This is on the "7-11 business-day shipping", so only 20 or so
> overdue. I'm sure the delay was "not Zagg's fault", but they'd be
> doing themselves a favour if they gave more conservative estimates on
> their website.

On July 8th, I've received confirmation that 2 shipments were on their
way. The first I got in about a week, the second hasn't arrived yet.
The first contained 3 shields, the second contained the FR shield.
Since you mentioned that it arrived yesterday, I'm getting my hopes up
to get it one of these days...

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Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[Jay Vaughan]

>
> I'd be fine with a tar.gz - image to put on SD-card. So
> size reduction is not necessarily an issue. Actually I'd
> rather have the complete 2008.08 suite.
> How are other GTA01 users thinc about that?
> Marc


I like the idea too .. and I'm perfectly content with booting my  
neo1973 from SD card ..

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Fitting full-body InvisibleShield - order of application?

[Stroller]

Hi there,

I'm sure someone posted a week or two ago a suggestion to do certain  
sections first when fitting the full-body InvisibleShield, because  
they said it's easier that way.

I _think_ they mentioned that the sides are particularly fiddly and  
to do them first. Or was it last? I'm knackered if I can find their  
post now, but if anyone has any suggestions before I proceed to foul  
it all up I'd be grateful.

Stroller.



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Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

[xaos x]

I actually finally got it working by using the article from freeyourphone that 
uses the multiplexing package. 

http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=295&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=dda5c6cbf5850182c786488123f056ce

It will receive calls and make calls while connected to GPRS using this setup.

-Tom

- Original Message -
From: "Nathan Kinkade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:23:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

2008/8/11 xaos x <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I can get this working in om2007.2, by disabling gsmd, and performing the 
> other steps in the wiki, but it just doesn't work in 2008.8. I get the 
> connect script failed message. Perhaps there are some other packages you have 
> installed? or are you running a pretty vanilla install of 2008.8 with little 
> modification? This is stumping me.
>
> -Tom

I'm running a vanilla install of 2008.8.  I'm using the jffs2 and
kernel images from here:

http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/

I haven't installed much of anything, or made any fundamental changes
to the configuration.  I did it on a fresh boot.  One thing to note,
and this is related to Chris's earlier post, connecting with GPRS
irrevocably breaks GSM, and no amount of changing the power state of
the chip would recover it.  Actually not even a reboot would bring the
use of the phone/dialer back.  I had to halt the system and then boot
it.  Presumably rebooting doesn't power down the chip and so it stays
in some sort of inconsistent state.  If anyone knows how to recover
the use of GSM after using GPRS, that would be useful.

My only suggestion at the moment would be to totally power down the
device, get a fresh boot and then trying "pon tmobile" before doing
anything else, especially before using the phone.

Nathan

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Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Hi Chris,

Am Montag 11 August 2008 18:39:14 schrieb C R McClenaghan:
> There have now been several posts related to the successful use of
> GPRS on one or more of the software platforms - OM 200*.* and FSO -
> but not much discussion of how to multiplex voice and data calls. The
> FSO platform through it's mdbus/dbus interface seems to accomplish
> this.

Yeah. We are very satisfied with the performance of gsm0710muxd.

> [1] below describes how to do so with a prior release of ASU. Is
> the multiplexer referenced in [1] - gsm0710muxd - now part of OM
> 2008.8 and should the direct use of /dev/ttySAC0 be avoided?

No, Om2008.8 is using the Qtopia gsm subsystem, which brings its own 
multiplexer (which was disabled for the Neo last time i checked, but i don't 
know the current status).

> Is the 
> multiplexer referenced in [1] and apparently running on FSO the means
> by which data and voice are multiplexed in FSO?

Yes.

> In FSO, if gsm0710muxd
> is the running daemon, what is the role of gsmd?

No one is working on gsmd any longer. Some of the architectural decisions made 
right in the beginning of the project have proven unfixable. The work of gsmd 
is getting done by the ogsmd subsystem which is part of the framework daemon.

> Is gsmd active during
> voice calls only?

frameworkd.ogsmd is taking care about everything non-PPP. pppd takes care 
about the actual data on a GPRS, however ogsmd takes care of configuring pppd 
and restoring configuration once the GPRS connection has been setup/taken 
down.

> Finally, with FSO and the mdbus/dbus interface , how
> can I set other connection parameters - for example, speed, timeouts,
> reconnect?

Which parameters exactly do you want to configure? We already configure it to 
have maximum throughput.

> Oh, yea - how can either a dund or pand connection event trigger gprs
> for laptop tethering?

Please open an 'enhancement' ticket (trac.freesmartphone.org).

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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

[Stroller]

On 5 Aug 2008, at 15:55, Stroller wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2008, at 13:56, Mikael Berthe wrote:
>>
>>> I ordered an InvibleShield protection at Zagg.com for my
>>> freerunner the 18th
>>> of july and have been charged on my credit card but have no news
>>> about my
>>> order (despite the fact that I sent them emails !!)
>>> ...
>> I complained and they suppposedly sent me another one, which I  
>> haven't
>> received either (the 2nd one was reshipped on Jully 25th).
>> ...
> Me, too. An exactly similar experience so far. But I think I will
> give them a few more days.

An update: my order arrived yesterday.

It looks like it is the original shipment from 7/7/8 and it arrived  
on 11/8/8 (European date ordering).

This is on the "7-11 business-day shipping", so only 20 or so  
overdue. I'm sure the delay was "not Zagg's fault", but they'd be  
doing themselves a favour if they gave more conservative estimates on  
their website.

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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

[arne anka]

> probably work well for something with a flat face like an iPod, but I

they got several vidoes showing how you make the protector fit even  
corners and curves.

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Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - gui not drawing

[Risto H. Kurppa]

I have contacted the developer (not about this though) to ask if there
is a svn repo or something for the community to participate. He
(Marcus Bauer) answered that there only the source codes of releases
are available currently, he's been developing tango only as a local
copy.

To create a wider user and developer community around tangogps, I've
asked him also if it was OK to start a tangogps mailing list to allow
users and developers to discuss these things and submit patches to
him. No answer yet, I'll let you know when he answers.

And is this patch for tangogps or general gtk stuff.. To me it looks
it doesn't have much to do with tango..

r


On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Bastian Feder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> has anyone reported this back to the TangoGPS developer(s)?
> Would be nice if the changes will be included into the *.ipk.
>
> just my 5 cents
>
> hf
> Bastian
>
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Robert William Hutton
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Geoff Ruscoe wrote:
>>> Everything looks great now.  Except I still don't have the Auto Center
>>> button anymore.  Anybody else having this problem?
>>
>> Yep.  I fixed it; you just have to slightly reduce the x and y thickness
>> in the toolitem stanza of your gtkrc.  Here's the patch:
>>
>> --- /media/card/gtkrc   Tue Aug 12 11:36:52 2008
>> +++ /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrcTue Aug 12 16:25:23 2008
>> @@ -160,8 +160,8 @@
>>
>>  style "toolitem"
>>  {
>> -  xthickness = 12
>> -  ythickness = 12
>> +  xthickness = 11
>> +  ythickness = 11
>>
>>bg[NORMAL] = @selected_bg_color
>>fg[NORMAL] = @selected_fg_color
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Re: Could someone explain me the + + + and the * at the bottom of thescreen (Om 2008.8) ?

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hello,

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:43 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They are place holders. In due course the functionality will be defined and
> deployed.

Good enough.
How do I remove them / configure them away until you announce that
they will do something useful?

> The * button is for special functions

I'm interested - what special functions?
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Re: Spares - broken case or LCD, ...

[John Koenig]

I can only speak to the screens as that is the only bit of my phone that 
I have broken so far.  :P

There are two companies that I was able to find (in China) that sell the 
TD028TTEC1 touch screen, they are listed below:

http://www.qinyielectronics.com

http://www.iiparts.com

I only heard back from qinyielectronics and they quoted them at 58 USD 
for the screen and 20 USD for the shipping.

John

Ian Stirling wrote:
> Is there any way to purchase cases or LCDs in the event of breakage?
> Also, I would like a few cases, to play with adding wifi to GTA01, for 
> which I need to modify the case a bit, and I may break it.
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Where are the Om2008.8 Updates?

[carcinoma]

Hello,

i have the Om2008.8 on my device.

But over the Insteller Update function never recieved any updateable Packages, 
also over the 
opkg manual update && upgrade (i pushed nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf) .

So, there ist a problem with the battery charge level (it only shows the 
blizzard) and i updated the 
kenerl from daly buildhost and this will be fixed. now there is no ethernet 
over usb possible.
i think the modules does not match the kernel (or something like that). now i 
ask: where can i find
the updates for om 2008.8 and the matching new kernel. will there be new Images 
for kernel and 
rootfs?

please help me..

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Re: What will be in GTA03?

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Re: What will be in GTA03?

[Hendrik Strydom]

My wish list:
3G, or at least UMTS

On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 15:34 +0100, Monkey D. Luffy wrote:
> (no "reply" so far... so a little bump)
> 
> 
> This is more or less my wish list... So what will be in?
> 
> 1) camera (decent one, 3MP or more)
> Will it be possible to record movies with sound? What resolution?
> 
> 2) buttons on the damn thing :p
> SNES and GBx all the way :)
> Or at the very least, sell the GTA03 with an optional control pad:
> http://www.icontrolpad.com/ But try to make it as small as possible
> (maybe the control pad overlapping the case) so it doesn't get t big.
> 
> 3) holder for a small plastic stylus. With an optinal string
> connecting both, so that if you drop it by chance it doesn't get lost
> forever in some crack to hell.
> If possible, keep this in mind if selling the icontrolpad thingy (so
> the stylus doesn't get trapped there).
> 
> 4) GPS
> Will I be able to keep maps updated for free?
> Will it be possible to make use of google maps, in the sense of having
> the indications on how to get from A to B?
> 
> 5) USB connector (USB 2.x), in order to connect the phone to the computer
> 
> 6) WiFi
> 
> 7) accelerometers
> 
> 8) bluetooth
> 
> 9) a cute chinese or japanese girl ^_^
> Well, at least their phone numbers :p
> 
> 
> I heard about xv and glamo and what else... What I need to know is:
> Will I be able to watch videos or play games (with sound on both) at
> 640x480 resolution?
> 
> 
> What will the final price be? In Europe?
> 
> And when will it be ready?
> You drive people crazy waiting for a final product with decent
> features (e.g. camera)
> I need a *working* new phone... yesterday :(
> (must... resist... iphone...)
> 
> Maybe all this info should be on your wiki and wikipedia?
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA
> 
> 
> Best wishes for everything!
> 
> 
> PLEASE CC ME in your reply.
> 
> 
> PS: suggestion for next phones: Dual-Sim
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Re: OM2008.8 lint-wifi and other pygtk apps fail

[NeilBrown]

On Tue, August 12, 2008 7:14 pm, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> i tried installing lint-wifi (and mofi) and both of them return:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# export DISPLAY=:0.0
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# lint-wifi.py
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/lint-wifi.py", line 9, in 
> import gtk, os
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line
> 82, in 
> init()
> NameError: name 'init' is not defined

See
   http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718

fix __init__.py, line 82, change "init" to "_init".

NeilBrown

>
> starting from "Home" just pops up a requester saying it failed to start.
>
> Flo
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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

[David Pottage]

On Mon, August 11, 2008 6:09 pm, Ilja O. wrote:
> I've got confirmation @ Jul 24
> "Your item has been shipped" message @ Jul 28
> And received it today (11 Aug).
>
> That's in Europe.
> Quite slow, but you'll eventually get it.

I got mine yesterday, about a month after I ordered, so yes, very slow.

I orderd the full body protector, but now that I have it, I don't think it
is worth having. All I received was a screen protector, and a series of
cut out section, which are meant to be molded around the case. It would
probably work well for something with a flat face like an iPod, but I
don't think it would work for the freerunner.

I would suggest that anyone else buys just the screen protector.

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OM2008.8 lint-wifi and other pygtk apps fail

[Florian Lohoff]

Hi,

i tried installing lint-wifi (and mofi) and both of them return:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# export DISPLAY=:0.0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# lint-wifi.py 
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/lint-wifi.py", line 9, in 
import gtk, os
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 82, in 

init()
NameError: name 'init' is not defined

starting from "Home" just pops up a requester saying it failed to start.

Flo
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Status of GTA3

[NEUHOLD, Michael]

Hi all
I'm new on this list, so please don't blame me if I'm off-topic
 
Does anyone know the current developmentstate of the GTA03?
I have read something about end of 2008. I wish but cant believe that
this is true.
Does anyone know mor details?
 
regards
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Re: FR and debian, seems it's progressing

[Thomas Bertani]

2008/8/12 Timo Juhani Lindfors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Esben Stien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > This is what I'm looking forward to. Something like this was what I
> > always expected to have;). A great distro like debian just getting a
> > GSM daemon that other apps could talk to.
>
> Just for the record: I just made a successful call on debian. Only hit
> a few bugs which I managed to workaround (thanks to pkg-fso people!):
>
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=frameworkd
>
> In case anybody is interested the process listing looks like
>
> ginger:~# ps axf
>  PID TTY  STAT   TIME COMMAND
>2 ?S< 0:00 [kthreadd]
>3 ?S< 0:00  \_ [ksoftirqd/0]
>4 ?S< 0:00  \_ [watchdog/0]
>5 ?S< 0:00  \_ [events/0]
>6 ?S< 0:00  \_ [khelper]
>   68 ?S< 0:00  \_ [kblockd/0]
>   74 ?S< 0:00  \_ [ksuspend_usbd]
>   80 ?S< 0:00  \_ [khubd]
>   83 ?S< 0:00  \_ [kseriod]
>   89 ?S< 0:00  \_ [kmmcd]
>  121 ?S  0:00  \_ [pdflush]
>  122 ?S  0:00  \_ [pdflush]
>  123 ?S< 0:01  \_ [kswapd0]
>  124 ?S< 0:00  \_ [aio/0]
>  140 ?S< 0:00  \_ [kapmd]
>  172 ?S< 0:00  \_ [glamo-spi-gpio.]
>  182 ?S< 0:00  \_ [mtdblockd]
>  211 ?S< 0:00  \_ [spi_s3c24xx_gpi]
>  256 ?S< 0:24  \_ [mmcqd]
>  263 ?S< 0:00  \_ [SDIO Helper]
>  267 ?S< 0:00  \_ [SDIO Helper]
>  276 ?S< 0:00  \_ [rpciod/0]
>1 ?Ss 0:01 init [2]
>  383 ?S  1063 ?Sl 0:00 /usr/sbin/rsyslogd -c3
>  1079 ?Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system
>  1093 ?Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
>  1162 ?Ss 0:01  \_ sshd: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/3
>  1164 pts/3Ss 0:00  \_ -bash
>  1336 pts/3R+ 0:00  \_ ps axf
>  1102 ?S  0:17 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/frameworkd
>  1109 ?S  0:00 /usr/bin/xinit /etc/X11/Xsession
> /usr/bin/openmoko-fso-session -- vt4
>  1110 tty4 S  1137 ?S  0:00  \_ /bin/sh /usr/bin/openmoko-fso-session
>  1152 ?Ss 0:00  \_ /usr/bin/ssh-agent
> /usr/bin/openmoko-fso-session
>  1153 ?S  0:24  \_ /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/zhone
>  1154 ?S  0:00  \_ /usr/bin/python
> /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard-toggle
>  1155 ?S  0:02  \_ matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar no
>  1126 tty1 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
>  1129 tty2 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
>  1130 tty3 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
>  1131 ?Ss 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
>  1158 ?S  0:00 /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd
>
which software do you use to call? oO
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Re: camera for freerunner (was Re: What will be in GTA03?)

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Tim Schmidt wrote:
|> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|>> I don't think people will be willing to pay an extra $200 just to
get a camera in there.
|> Please do some research before making baseless comments.  Camera
|> modules do not cost $200.  More like $10.  Less in quantity.  See
|> here:
|>
|> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8668
|
| ah, very nice. ok resolution, and decent docs too
|
| did i read somewhere that there is an unused camera interface somewhere
| in the neo, or have i imagined that? failing that, it talks i2c, so
| connecting via that should be possible?
|
| http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C
|
| i tried looking on the wiki for info on the camera interface, but the
| search function is not great

Glamo and CPU both have camera interfaces that are either unused or
re-used for other stuff.  I2C connection to camera module is only for
settings like "brightness", bulk pixel data comes down a parallel bus
that you have nothing to connect to.

Best bet for this if you are interested is the same story for all other
peripherals -- USB host mode on the USB socket, nice and neat, power is
provided... detachable...

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Re: Battery Charge Solution(Not)

[Russell Sears]

Scott wrote:
> I attempted to install the two solutions to the Neo FreeRunner not 
> charging when connected to a laptop or car charger.
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode
> 
> Even though both sources can easily handle a 500ma charge.

You shouldn't need to do anything special to make it charge from your 
laptop, assuming you're using a new kernel, unless you're hitting a new 
bug.  Forcing fast charge mode worked around bugs in older kernels, but 
  is now mostly just a dangerous hack for strange/broken hardware setups.

I'm charging mine via a laptop usb port as I type this, and didn't force 
a charging mode.  The included 1000ma charger is faster, but the laptop 
also charges the battery.

-Rusty

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Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - how to do gpsd?

[Robert William Hutton]

Erland Lewin wrote:
> How did you guys handle the gpsd for TangoGPS under 2008.8?
> 
> I thought 2008.8 used gypsy or a dbus-based gpsd or something. Will 
> installing gpsd conflict with whichever gypsy-solution is used on 
> 2008.8? Which gpsd package did you install, if that's what you did?

I'm not sure if it does conflict with the gypsy thing or not as I really 
don't like the included GPS app and so never use it (perhaps I've been 
spoiled by tango ;).

To get tangoGPS to work, I installed the following packages and their 
dependencies:

gpsd
gps-utils
libgps16

Cheers,

Rob

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Re: FR and debian, seems it's progressing

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Esben Stien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This is what I'm looking forward to. Something like this was what I
> always expected to have;). A great distro like debian just getting a
> GSM daemon that other apps could talk to.

Just for the record: I just made a successful call on debian. Only hit
a few bugs which I managed to workaround (thanks to pkg-fso people!):

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=frameworkd

In case anybody is interested the process listing looks like

ginger:~# ps axf
  PID TTY  STAT   TIME COMMAND
2 ?S< 0:00 [kthreadd]
3 ?S< 0:00  \_ [ksoftirqd/0]
4 ?S< 0:00  \_ [watchdog/0]
5 ?S< 0:00  \_ [events/0]
6 ?S< 0:00  \_ [khelper]
   68 ?S< 0:00  \_ [kblockd/0]
   74 ?S< 0:00  \_ [ksuspend_usbd]
   80 ?S< 0:00  \_ [khubd]
   83 ?S< 0:00  \_ [kseriod]
   89 ?S< 0:00  \_ [kmmcd]
  121 ?S  0:00  \_ [pdflush]
  122 ?S  0:00  \_ [pdflush]
  123 ?S< 0:01  \_ [kswapd0]
  124 ?S< 0:00  \_ [aio/0]
  140 ?S< 0:00  \_ [kapmd]
  172 ?S< 0:00  \_ [glamo-spi-gpio.]
  182 ?S< 0:00  \_ [mtdblockd]
  211 ?S< 0:00  \_ [spi_s3c24xx_gpi]
  256 ?S< 0:24  \_ [mmcqd]
  263 ?S< 0:00  \_ [SDIO Helper]
  267 ?S< 0:00  \_ [SDIO Helper]
  276 ?S< 0:00  \_ [rpciod/0]
1 ?Ss 0:01 init [2]   
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Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-ba sed Gestures, and Screen Orientation

[Urivan Saaib]

Paul,

Congratulations! This is a great advance feature. I'll be using it a lot!

Regards,

==Original message text===
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 0:35:39 PDT "Paul-Valentin Borza" wrote:

Hi,

As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing
what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project:
http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I
will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just
seen in the YouTube video.

Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have
encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel!
This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I
will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development
target.

More on http://gestures.borza.ro
Thanks,
Paul
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Urivan A. Flores Saaib
CiberLinux Networking
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Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - gui not drawing

[Bastian Feder]

Hi,
has anyone reported this back to the TangoGPS developer(s)?
Would be nice if the changes will be included into the *.ipk.

just my 5 cents

hf
Bastian

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Robert William Hutton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Geoff Ruscoe wrote:
>> Everything looks great now.  Except I still don't have the Auto Center
>> button anymore.  Anybody else having this problem?
>
> Yep.  I fixed it; you just have to slightly reduce the x and y thickness
> in the toolitem stanza of your gtkrc.  Here's the patch:
>
> --- /media/card/gtkrc   Tue Aug 12 11:36:52 2008
> +++ /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrcTue Aug 12 16:25:23 2008
> @@ -160,8 +160,8 @@
>
>  style "toolitem"
>  {
> -  xthickness = 12
> -  ythickness = 12
> +  xthickness = 11
> +  ythickness = 11
>
>bg[NORMAL] = @selected_bg_color
>fg[NORMAL] = @selected_fg_color
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Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - how to do gpsd?

[Erland Lewin]

How did you guys handle the gpsd for TangoGPS under 2008.8?

I thought 2008.8 used gypsy or a dbus-based gpsd or something. Will
installing gpsd conflict with whichever gypsy-solution is used on 2008.8?
Which gpsd package did you install, if that's what you did?

Thanks for the gtk files!

/Erland
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