Re: led blinking during suspend?

[Stroller]

On 5 Oct 2008, at 23:10, Richy wrote:

...
I would find it rather cool if the red LED would blink on missed  
calls and the  blue one on missed messages.


This is a useful idea.

There is no need to make a difference between a turned off NEO and a  
suspended one, because once power management is mature enough you  
won't actually power it off anyways.


Except a flashing LED reassures me that the battery is not dead.

Stroller.

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Re: Volume

[Martin Šenkeřík]

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Matthias Camenzind
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I found out a way to get better volume settings.
> cp /usr/share/openmoko/gsmhandset.state /home/root/
> modify entry 'Mic2 Capture Volume' value to 3 and 'Speaker Playback Volume' 
> value to 95 (in state file in /home/root/
> create a script like this:
> #!/bin/bash
> cp /home/root/*.state /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/
>
> this should work, same way you can edit other state files.
> to autorun the script i added it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
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Better settings in which way??

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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[carmen r]

On Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:34:37PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote:
> On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > > > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner
> > > > than everyone else :)
> > >
> > > Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on
> > > embedded systems?
> >
> > No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me is
> > an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based
> > distribution ;)
> >
> > Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;)
> 
> I use Gentoo, CentOS, Fedora and Debian so no war here :-) I'm just curious 
> why you think Gentoo will wear out flash devices sooner than any other distro 
> if reasonably configured. The key here is probably 'reasonable' as I would 
> build packages on a more capable machine and use binary-only merges, and 
> various directories may find themselves mounted over the network.

im surprised at the popularity of these 'images' and flashing the entire device


surely a distro with piecemeal upgrade puts less wear and tear on the flash

and debian's lack of USE/config support means you generally get a larger binary 
with more stuff enabled - so more wear and tear


whats the big fear anywyas. MTFB is like 1 million rewrites, and you have 
hardware and FS level wear-leveling/block-masking anwyays


surely youll want a bigger HD or a phone with 3G and a camera before then



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Re: discouraged: projects.openmoko.org unmaintained?

[Javi Roman]

> this is a problem that happens often enough - projects.om needs a a reboot i
> think (i think that was the fix of last resort last time), but this has
> happened every now and again and will keep happening as i understand its some
> issue with pam sometimes and ssh and maybe mysql or something - not sure, but
> the result is that for hours or days you'll be stuck unless you file a trac
> ticket with om's admin team - and then they need to get around to it.
>
> as such i moved illume off projects.om myself after yet another incident of
> this (which basically meant for hours i was stuck not being able to work as i
> couldn't build an update to test as OE feeds off public svn and i couldn't
> commit my changes and up the svnrev to rebuild and test on the device). but i
> have the luxury of having a rather hefty and well maintained svn server on
> enlightenment.org to use - which i also have admin access too (which to date
> has been up continually 24/7 without hassles). it also made sense that illume
> can track efl and e much better being in the same spot and building with the
> same srcrev thus staying in sync. but that's me :)
>

It's time to give a try to google, It´s a pity ...

- Javi Roman

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Community update, october 3rd 2008

[Minh Ha Duong]

Contents

* 1 Distributions
* 2 Applications
* 3 Hardware
* 4 Wiki and community
* 5 From the stars
* 6 Outside Openmoko

[edit] Distributions

* The big affair was the release of Om2008.9 Update on September 19th, the 
dot one ASU. Or was it a big non-event, because those who updated daily were 
already ahead when it was released ? Some users were surprised that the 
stable feeds do not update 
almoshttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updatest everything 
everyday anymore, but this is what stable is supposed to mean. You don't get 
the nice fixes in the latest kernel, but you don't get the nasty new bugs 
either.
* Another big point release: Qtopia 4.4. It's now called Qt Extended, we 
will need to update that string on about ~100 wiki pages!
* FSO repositories moved to http://downloads.freesmartphone.org. Thanks 
Beartech for the interim hosting.
* A startup announced NeoPwn, a distribution geared towards penetration 
testing. I am not sure if they are shipping yet. Their hat color is unclear 
to me, their slogan is Own it.. before it owns you.
* FDOM is really gearing up. They now have a mailing list, a code 
repository, and a mission. 

[edit] Applications

* Sephora, settings manager in PyGtk for XFCE started.
* Also, openmoko-panel-plugin went from 0.1 to 0.4. It is a gtk based 
plugin that draws the powerstate of some FR hardware devices(i.e. gsm, gps) 
to a gtk based panel. Theses panels are used i.e. in xfce4. so you can enable 
or disable the state of your gps receiver.
* Brian Code from Koolu documented how he made Linphone, that is voice 
over IP, work fine for him.
* A screen Rotate daemon was developed successfully. 

[edit] Hardware

* Battery#DIY external battery pack from a Minty case, or how to run the 
Neo from batteries (NB: a pair of AA cells will not provide as much as 1 amp 
of current.)
* Thanks to Claus and Lothar, the CAD files are now available in other 
formats (BRLCAD, IGES, STEP)
* Michael negociated with a custom-case making company, they could build 
something more rugged/waterproof if the demand was high enough. 

[edit] Wiki and community

* The Documentation Team recategorized everything using a two-levels 
scheme. Browsing should be is easier now, try it! Of course we now need to 
clean up the pages inside each subcategory, but at least the big POS is not 
many small pos. Divide-and-conquer.
* We also organized the list of applications. Now there is a master 
directory, then detailed lists by topic, and then application pages.
* Coming soon: "Use google search", "Add page in this category", "Site 
directory" extensions.
* Some nice artwork flew by on the community list. Raster is still with 
us. Following some advertisement, the Desktop wallpaper gallery grew from 1 
to 4 images. Keep them coming !
* We are having a defining hearts-to-hearts discussion on the community 
list in Risto's initiated thread The Lost Openmoko community. See also the 
Weeky Engineering News 38 for Om's plans to involve the community more in the 
release process.
* Good things are the pipeline for the Community Repository, including a 
submit by web interface (tickets 1518, 1543) 

[edit] From the stars

* There were many kernel patches about SD cards and bus speed. Confusion 
about which kernel version goes into which branch and about packaging 
strategies led to some module mismatch issues.
* There are still interesting discussions on the kernel mailing list on 
the state of the wlan driver. For the rest of us, it means that the Wifi 
driver is still being actively developed. In plain English: likely to be full 
of bugs.
* The alsa sound configuration still puzzle most users. I think that as 
long as alsa-mixer is based on a linear list of cryptic acronyms, we are in 
the dark. Internship idea: redo the mixer as a clickable image map based on 
the sound chip circuits. Make that work for all Linux distros.
* Developers should be aware that the Meta-toolchain was refreshed.
* The kernel guys have banged their heads together about how to send all 
their changes upstream. Conclusion: good luck, that is a tough job. 

[edit] Outside Openmoko

* The leading websearch company released their mobile OS called Android, 
nothing was said about an Openmoko port.
* Pandora pre-sells thousands of their handheld linux gaming console. 
Sorry if you missed it, the next batch will be for 2009. 

==

Thanks to all those who are helping to improve the wiki. As for the last 
issue, this page can be fixed at:
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_3rd%2C_2008 

And interesting events can be posted real-time at:
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates

Yours,
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Re: The Lost Openmoko Community ( what's a community manager to do?)

[Stroller]

One of the things that Risto was complaining about was the number of  
distros for the Freerunner, and "they're all incomplete!!"

His words "why don't the developers feel ok to contribute directly to  
2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros?" echo my own  
complaints a couple of months ago in my message "Community  
contributions to core apps & features" 9 weeks ago.

You & Sean have said that you want to follow your own vision in the  
software side of things - developers can't supply patches for power- 
user features (that make the UI more complex) and expect you to  
include them in the "core" distro, if you're trying to produce a phone  
software suite for grandmothers. And I really understand where you're  
coming from with this - you have to sell loads more volume if you want  
your hardware business to be successful.

So the only answer to this IS to have more distros. And really, anyone  
complaining about the state of the current software stacks should have  
been here 3 months ago. Back then it was "Openmoko shouldn't have  
shipped broken hardware with this GPS bug!" Isn't that now all fixed  
in the kernel drivers? No-one who sees how much the situation has  
improved is complaining now.

I appreciate there's some room for compromise between "grandmothers"  
and power-users on the state of the software. You can start with a  
basic interface and have a framework so that extra features are only  
shown once installed & configured by the advanced users. But there is  
no "one true way" - if we look at the state of desktop window  
managers, we see that. This is a relatively mature "market" - Gnome &  
KDE have both been around and stable for several years. When Risto or  
some other newcomer looks at Openmoko & the Freerunner, you cannot  
expect them to see a "path" as clear, directed and well-signposted as  
that space.

I applaud your effort - you're responding to criticism and asking how  
you can fix the problem - but I can't see how a "community manager"  
can change anything. You can't exactly deny there are several  
Freerunner distros, or that they're all works in progress!

Build the product and the community will come to you!
It already has, it's just a little too early for everyone to see the  
fruits of this.

We already have Michael Shiloh providing weekly community updates  
(ahem) - IMO a "community manager" would just be a distraction from  
Openmoko's real business. You should be concentrating on the hardware,  
and if you're employing an additional member of staff then make it a  
kernel programmer, so that your hardware runs more smoothly for the  
distros that evolve around it. Or get FSO complete sooner, so that  
(again) all the distros benefit.

Running a business is all about customer satisfaction, but you can't  
keep EVERYONE happy. There will always be 1 or 2 who "don't get it",  
and they just happen to be vocal about it. You've already satisfied  
99% of us with your open-source mobile phone platform - already so  
many people are bringing their own ideas and (more importantly) work  
to that. Ignore the whiners! I don't include Risto in that  
characterisation, but I don't see how you can please him.

In 6 months time you will have some amazing community distros for your  
phones, and at least then the "incomplete" complaint will be  
satisfied. Those that "don't get it", meanwhile, will have found  
something else to complain about. This is the nature of open source.

Stroller.





On 6 Oct 2008, at 03:37, Steve Mosher wrote:

> Stroller let's assume it is Possible. I had a long chat with Sean
> today. We both read the community list daily and our number one topic
> of conversation was the "Lost community" thread. Sean asked me what
> I thought of having a community manager. ( he was reading my mind  
> again)
> On one hand, I said, Stoller has some good points ( as always). It  
> would
> be a bit like herding cats, and in someway we want interesting cats,
> wandering off to do things that A) we didnt think of and B) we  
> disagree
> with. basically because we don't know everything. On the other hand,
> we do recognize the benefit to be had from a little bit of structure.
> I have my ideas about what a community manager would do to organize  
> and
> mobilize, But before I put those ideas down, I'd like to throw it open
> to the community. Question: what functions do you see a community
> manager performing. Write his job spec. ( hint hint)


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Re: community Digest, Vol 100, Issue 3

[Minh Ha Duong]

Le lundi 06 octobre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
> Stroller let's assume it is Possible. I had a long chat with Sean
> today. We both read the community list daily and our number one topic
> of conversation was the "Lost community" thread. Sean asked me what
> I thought of having a community manager. ( he was reading my mind again)
> On one hand, I said, Stoller has some good points ( as always). It would
> be a bit like herding cats, and in someway we want interesting cats,
> wandering off to do things that A) we didnt think of and B) we disagree
> with. basically because we don't know everything. On the other hand,
> we do recognize the benefit to be had from a little bit of structure.
> I have my ideas about what a community manager would do to organize and
> mobilize, But before I put those ideas down, I'd like to throw it open
> to the community. Question: what functions do you see a community
> manager performing. Write his job spec. ( hint hint)

I am most curious to see what Lorn and Michael come up with. I have never seen 
such a job spec, but someone who:

- Subscribes and read all mailing lists, writes and disseminates community 
updates.
- Has root on the community-facings servers, to bring immediate benefits like 
fixing the repeated messages in mailing lists, google search mediawiki 
extentions, do the community-repository interface.
- Gardens and grows the translation teams and local user groups system.

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Re: The Lost Openmoko Community: Official newsletter?

[Alex Osborne]

Steve Mosher wrote:
> Question: what functions do you see a community 
> manager performing. Write his job spec.
As I see it there's two main points that Risto and others have usually brought 
up on this topic, communication and leadership.

Communication

This is the big point that everyone always mentions.  You can't have
leadership without first a way to communicate effectively.  In my
opinion, the wiki is being covered pretty well now and is becoming a
really good _reference_.  So what is missing?

News!  News!  News!  The engineering updates are excellent once you've
discovered them.  The community updates by Steve leading up to the
release of the FreeRunner were also good.  The planet, as several people
have mentioned is a mixed bag, now and then there's good blog posts by
various people but there's too much off topic or personal stuff that
shouldn't be there and it's in desperate need of a way to filter by
language.  Sadsammy also pointed out in a reply to Risto's "Lost
Openmoko Community" blog post that these guys are doing fantastic job:

http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/search/label/openmoko

But they're not even in the planet!  (I just filed a bug to
admin-trac).  There's also not enough stuff from within Openmoko itself
in the planet, it should be a central place to look for news.

How is news handled elsewhere?  For small specialised projects a mailing
list and the lead developer's blog is fine.  But the Openmoko community
is extremely diverse covering lots and lots of different bases and is
rapidly growing in size.  It's not just a single software package, heck
it's not even a single distro!  So lets look to the big diverse
communities.  For general Linux stuff there is the absolutely fantastic
Linux Weekly News [1].  In addition to that, virtually all the large
community-style projects have their own newsletters, either weekly,
bi-weekly or monthly: Debian [2], Gentoo [3], Ubuntu [4], Fedora [5],
Mozilla [6] and so on. GNOME [7] and KDE [8] have a continuous
planet-style news rather than a newsletter, but they are edited by real
humans and serve much the same purpose and have recurring feature articles.

Lets look at what they have in common:

 * Visibility: If not directly on the front page, then a big fat link at
the start of the navbar "News".  Not hidden away in some mailing list
(although usually mirrored or announced on lists).

 * Well edited: Typically they have one *human* editor who puts
everything together in a consistent easy to read way and filters out the
rubbish.

 * Sections: The details vary a bit between the projects but in some
form they usually have the following.  Theses don't have to be
particularly long.  A paragraph or two on each section would do.

   -  Table of contents with highlights of the most important stuff from
the other sections.

   -  "Corporate" news:  What's happening in the core company (Mozilla),
council (Gentoo) or core developers (Linux kernel).  These decisions
have been taken.  This is the new policy for X.  We're opening a new
t-shirt store.  We're looking to hire a community manager and two kernel
hackers.  We will be having an IRC or real-life meeting to discuss issue
X at this time and place.  John Smith has moved to the Foobar team will
now be working on X.  This should help a little to give a voice to the
company, what are its interests and where it is going.

   -  Special features:  Two or three more in-depth articles on a
particular topic.  This could be a review of a new program, discussion
on a debate about a particularly tricky technical problem or a round-up
from a recent conference or event with a few photos.  It would be good
to have maybe one or two by the newsletter's editor and then some
good-quality articles by guest authors.  If there's a good article on
some random person's blog, ask them whether you can include it. 
Offering some incentives (merchandise, gear or even a small sum of money
like LWN) could help encourage people to submit good articles.

   -  Development news:  Digest of the more interesting commits to the
repositories of core projects.  Bug tracker statistics (list of fixed
bugs, how many news ones etc).  LWN has the mailing list quote of the
week, which often mixes a few funnies (whatever creative way Linus has
told someone their code stinks this week) with rather interesting
mailing list threads worth reading.

   -  Software release notices:  Generally submitted from the community,
but edited, or at least with a policy of how they should look to be
accepted.  Kept short and to the point.  One sentence description of
what the project is (maybe a little longer if its a new project), list
of big changes, link to the project's website or install instructions.

   -  Community events/announcements:  OpenMoko community get-together
in Sydney.  Upcoming mobile computing conference in Denmark.  New users
group in Italy looking for members.

   -  Tips and tricks:  This is not so general, but something I noticed
in Gent

Re: is fr usb host mode prone to damage from regular usb charging

[Robin Paulson]

2008/10/4 Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Petr Vanek wrote:
>> I haven't found a clear answer on this one:
>>
>> i got A-A Female to Female usb connector to couple two cables.
>>
>> The wiki pages [1], [2] provide sufficient info on usage, except of one
>> thing: if i switch into USB Host mode providing power (*) can i damage
>> anything if i forget it like that and replug my fr into my computer?
>
>
> Hi Petr,
>
> This type of question is more appropriate to the kernel list.
>
> I'll go ahead and post it for you there.

i would be interested in this too

similarly, if i turn on host mode while it's plugged in, what can happen?

it'd be great to have an icon on the home page that does this in one
click, but not if i can damage something, it's too easy to hit by
accident

i can't see anything in the kernel archives, but i'm not sure i'm
looking in the right place

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Re: QTextended 4.4.1

[Paul]

> Well, really, really strange. This morning it has started to work for me
> too. First I noticed that it wakes up from suspend mode when receving an
> SMS. Then it started to wake up on incoming calls. Don't really know
> what I did to make it work tho ... Uhm, I actually did ... nothing? Will
> observe this more closely.

I noticed exactly the same behaviour... Interesting!

Paul

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Re: [2008.9] Wifi now reliable

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Friday, October 03, 2008 a las 12:44:10PM -0700, Michael Shiloh escribió:

> Charles Pax wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/3/08, *Matthias Apitz* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > wrote:
> > 
> > I own the FR gadget now for 2-3 weeks, I think, and I'm so happy with it
> > and I use it in daily work as I did with my normal cellphone, a BenQ
> > Siemens S68, which I have returned already because I think the FR is
> > stable enough for me;
> > 
> > I can do what I want with it:
> > 
> > - I can SSH to the Linux and install or change what I feel fitting for
> > me or missing there;
> > - for me Wifi works now as it should;
> > - for me GPRS and PPPD together with my smaller laptop (a eeePC 900 on
> > which I have installed FreeBSD 7.0) let me go to Internet; I can use
> > the FR like a normal router box to Internet;
> 
> Very glad to hear of your success.
> 
> What kind of access point are you using, and what kind of encryption or 
> security are you using with it?


I've made my tests with:

   -- AccessPoint SMCWBR14-G2 EU, WEP mode, channel 7 (2442 Mhz)
   -- AccessPoint SMC2555W-AG, WPA mode, channel 7

and both work very reliable with the FR and the described config; see
also:

http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt

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OM BOF at Linux-Kongress in Hamburg ?

[Harald Koenig]

Hi,

is anyone planing to go to the "15th International Linux System Technology 
Conference"
7.10.-10.10.2008 at the University of Hamburg, Germany ?

 http://www.linux-kongress.org/2008/

if yes, what about a BOF about OM ?


thanks,

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Search engine improved.

[BrendaWang]

Dear community:
Openmoko IT guys had improved wiki search engine.
Solutions was put Google Search extension on wiki site.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GoogleSiteSearch

Feedback welcome.


Brenda


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Re: is fr usb host mode prone to damage from regular usb charging

[Alex Osborne]

Robin Paulson wrote:
> similarly, if i turn on host mode while it's plugged in, what can happen?
>   
> i can't see anything in the kernel archives, but i'm not sure i'm
> looking in the right place
>
>   
Andy replied:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-October/005450.html

So I guess that means something like: we can't be sure but it probably
won't.

I've also briefly (by accident) enabled host mode while on charger or
plugged into the PC and it didn't seem to damage anything.

Cheers,

Alex

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Re: QTextended 4.4.1

[Vladimir Koutny]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi,
> Wait a minute: Does that mean your phone wakes up from incoming calls
> when in suspend mode???
> I have the latest rootfs and the latest kernel installed and my phone
> does NOT wake up.
> Confused ... What did you do to make this work?

For me, this works without doing anything special. Wakes up, rings, etc.

On the other hand, I have some problems with mp3 playback via mediaplayer
(mediaserver) (I'm quite sure this was already mentioned on the list, but
I'm not able to find it again..)

- - audio dropouts
  - most visible when the CPU gets busy doing other things (navigating in
the menu for example), but even without doing anything else it can be
noticed about once a second-two
  - on all tracks I've tried (cbr/vbr, >128kbps streams)
  - both headphones and speaker outputs
  - no matter where the file is stored - sd card, nand flash, in-memory /tmp
  - killing mediaplayer does nothing
  - mediaserver eats some 25% cpu

- - random noise when starting to play some mp3s - those mp3s have embedded
  album-art in its id3 tag (stored at the beginning of a file; btw. it is
  shown correctly).. could be related?


for reference, I'm running
  qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2
  uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin (+modules)


Regards,
  Vlado
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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[Tilman Baumann]

Where does FSO stand in regard to rasters releases?
Is FSO bleeding edge on Illume and co?

I would like to have them in FSO. Since this is the distro i trust the 
most right now for delivering me the newest and greatest stuff that will 
also work on my gta01.

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> In the enlightenment archives there's a new Rasterman image:
>  - openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20080929-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 [1]
> It looks so cool with the new illume theme [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], but
> practically it has no telephony related software installed in since it
> seems a simple OE built with these scripts [7], so (I figure) that
> you're free to put in both the FSO and/or the Om2008.8 stack, just
> install the needed packages!
> 
> Bye.
> 
> 
> [1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/
> [2] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,533.0/topicseen.html
> [3] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg
> [4] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg
> [5] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg
> [6] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg
> [7] http://www.rasterman.com/files/oe-setup.tar.gz
> 


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Cannot ssh to Freerunner

[Nicolas Linkert]

Hi,

I might be a bit retarded (one never knows), but for the life of it I
cannot ssh into the FR:

Host IP:  192.168.0.101
DNS:  192.168.0.100

On the host I do as root:
ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]

No route to host ... ?

Oh, this is the most recent QT Extended plus the current mwester kernel.

Is there a fundamental error somewhere?

Thanks in advance for enlighten me,
best regards,

Nick

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Re: Search engine improved.

[Alessandro Iurlano]

Hello Brenda.

I'm writing you just to let you know that several months ago I made a custom
google search engine for Openmoko.
You can find it here:
http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=01843063342716089:szsaurhronw
I think it is quite useful and better than site: search with google as it
includes most sites from Openmoko.

I hope this information will be useful for the project.

Best regards,
Alessandro

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:45 AM, BrendaWang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Dear community:
> Openmoko IT guys had improved wiki search engine.
> Solutions was put Google Search extension on wiki site.
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GoogleSiteSearch
>
> Feedback welcome.
>
>
> Brenda
>
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Re: QTextended 4.4.1

[Nicolas Linkert]

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:15:21 +0200, "Vladimir Koutny"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hi,
> > Wait a minute: Does that mean your phone wakes up from incoming calls
> > when in suspend mode???
> > I have the latest rootfs and the latest kernel installed and my phone
> > does NOT wake up.
> > Confused ... What did you do to make this work?
> 
> For me, this works without doing anything special. Wakes up, rings, etc.
(...)

Well, really, really strange. This morning it has started to work for me
too. First I noticed that it wakes up from suspend mode when receving an
SMS. Then it started to wake up on incoming calls. Don't really know
what I did to make it work tho ... Uhm, I actually did ... nothing? Will
observe this more closely. 

cu,
Nick

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Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner

[Nicola Mfb]

2008/10/6 Nicolas Linkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi,
>
> I might be a bit retarded (one never knows), but for the life of it I
> cannot ssh into the FR:
>
> Host IP:  192.168.0.101
> DNS:  192.168.0.100
>
> On the host I do as root:
> ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> No route to host ... ?
>

If you have eth0 with 192.168.0.101 (i guess it) you'll have a route for the
entire class trough it. So assigning 192.168.0.200 to usb0 is not
sufficient. Try route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200 after
ifconfig, wait about 20 seconds and try to ping/ssh again.

Regards

Nicola
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Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner

[xiangfu]

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Nicolas Linkert wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I might be a bit retarded (one never knows), but for the life of it I
> cannot ssh into the FR:
> 
> Host IP:  192.168.0.101
> DNS:  192.168.0.100
this is you eth0 ip address.
> 
> On the host I do as root:
> ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
seems two network card in the same ip segment.
you can simply:
- -
ifconfig eth0 down
ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner

[Daniel Selinger]

If your host is in the same subnet (and has a ethernetcard too), you
should use subnetmask 255.255.255.248 for connecting to the freerunner.
Otherwise the kernel tries to send out the packages for the freerunnner
over your networkcard. (thats what i think, but i'm no network pro ;) ->
they never reach your freerunner plugged on usb.

rgds daniel

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:06:49 +0200
"Nicolas Linkert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I might be a bit retarded (one never knows), but for the life of it I
> cannot ssh into the FR:
> 
> Host IP:  192.168.0.101
> DNS:  192.168.0.100
> 
> On the host I do as root:
> ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> No route to host ... ?
> 
> Oh, this is the most recent QT Extended plus the current mwester
> kernel.
> 
> Is there a fundamental error somewhere?
> 
> Thanks in advance for enlighten me,
> best regards,
> 
> Nick
> 
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Re: microSD single ext2 or ext3 partition boot?

[Alastair Johnson]

Alex Osborne wrote:
> 
> On 06/10/2008, at 11:49 AM, feywulf wrote:
> 
>>
>> setenv menu_9 Boot from microSD (ext2): setenv bootargs 
>> \${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=5 
>> \${mtdparts} ro\; mmcinit\; ext2load mmc 1 0x3200 
>> \${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x3200
>>
> 
> I think it would.  For me $bootargs_base also contained root= and 
> rootfstype= pointing at the flash which was giving the kernel some 
> confusion having them specified twice, so if you have problems with it 
> check that.

It looks very similar to what I'm using, including the rootfstype= part. 
The only bit I think may need a change is the ext2load which I think 
needs to be:
ext2load mmc 1:1 0x3200 boot/uImage\;
For the second partition it would be 1:2. Depending on what your 
${sd_image_name} is you may be ok to leave it, but I prefer defining it 
explicitly for each partition.


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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[gromez]

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Richy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I somehow managed to get it to work to some extend.
> The phone isn' ringin, just vibrating, but I can talk and hear during a
> call..
>
> make sure you have gstreamer installed,
> also I added a lot of packages, with alsa, gst, openmoko-state, etc.
> Didn't work until reboot. (And due to the Neos booting-time I don't want to
> reboot after each package just to check...)

By default, it seems there's no /dev/dsp so sound can't work. Trying
to find the missing package ...

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Re: community Digest, Vol 100, Issue 5

[Minh Ha Duong]

Le lundi 06 octobre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
>  these guys are doing fantastic job:
>
> http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/search/label/openmoko
>
> But they're not even in the planet!  (I just filed a bug to
> admin-trac).

  Please make sure that the feed is not syndicated without discussing it with 
Alasal (the author's blog) again. Two weeks ago we decided against including 
it because he had mixed feelings about the planet:
http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-tt796556%7Ca1087886

  Of course, nothing prevents us to ask him again
*** with hearts of it and lots of sugar, pretty please ***

Of course that is not going to make the planet suddenly less a mixed bag. I 
love the idea of being language inclusive by default. Down-to-earth 
convenience also suggest that we need "I can read this language" checkboxes 
and cookies somewhere...

Minh

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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[gromez]

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:32 PM, gromez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Richy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I somehow managed to get it to work to some extend.
>> The phone isn' ringin, just vibrating, but I can talk and hear during a
>> call..
>>
>> make sure you have gstreamer installed,
>> also I added a lot of packages, with alsa, gst, openmoko-state, etc.
>> Didn't work until reboot. (And due to the Neos booting-time I don't want to
>> reboot after each package just to check...)
>
> By default, it seems there's no /dev/dsp so sound can't work. Trying
> to find the missing package ...
>

Well, it's not a package but snd_pcm_oss module must be loaded.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# modprobe snd_pcm_oss

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Re: Alasal's blog

[Alex Osborne]

Minh Ha Duong wrote:
>
>   Please make sure that the feed is not syndicated without discussing it with 
> Alasal (the author's blog) again. Two weeks ago we decided against including 
> it because he had mixed feelings about the planet:
> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-tt796556%7Ca1087886
Sorry, I hadn't seen that.  I should have asked, but I didn't see an
obvious way to contact the author and I didn't realise anyone would
actually not want to be included. :-(
>
>   Of course, nothing prevents us to ask him again
> *** with hearts of it and lots of sugar, pretty please ***
Alasal, please, is there any chance?  It does look so much better with
your posts in there.  In the mail Minh linked, you said you want to draw
visitors directly to your blog for adsense.  Blogger has an option under
"Site Feed" settings that gives out a "short" feed that only has the
first paragraph of each of your posts and you have to click through to
see the rest.  Perhaps you could set that on your blog and that way the
planet could actually be a source to increase your visitors?  In fact I
only found out about your blog through someone else mentioning it in the
planet.  If not I will ask to have it removed again.
>
> Of course that is not going to make the planet suddenly less a mixed bag.
The signal drowns out the noise if we have enough people who tag their
posts properly? ;-)  It's actually pretty good at the moment, there
seems to be only 2 off-topic posts in there.  I would volunteer to edit
it, but I don't think I'm reliable enough to do it constantly. :/
> I love the idea of being language inclusive by default. Down-to-earth 
> convenience also suggest that we need "I can read this language" checkboxes 
> and cookies somewhere...
Right.  Anyone know any libraries that do language detection?  Heck, I
wouldn't mind if it fed everything through an automatic translator. 
It's a pity Google's language AJAX API has such restrictive terms of
service.

Cheers,

Alex

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Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks

[Ian]

> With the price of the phone you payed the hardware, personally I think
> a very good hardware. If you want to confront the Open Source
> Community with a propretary software firm, you are in a wrong
> direction.

OK, I'm taking the bait (no offence is meant by this post to anyone,
don't take it the wrong way. I'm anticipating most of the shortcomings
I mention here will be fixed in future phones anyway)

"good hardware", ey?

GSM, what, no 3G? Oh well, nevermind, that's why I carry an N95 with a
data only plan and I never had the intention to use the FR for data
anyway (too expensive down here to have a single device do both)...

Wifi - range not so great, but doesn't bother me too much.

USB1.1 ?!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!?!?!?!? Sorry, I'm kind of used to being able
to flash my Internet Tablet in a matter of seconds (not exaggerating)
and then finished booting into the new OS in under 2 minutes. The neo
is kind of like start flashing, and now watch some TV while I wait --
and I better just hope that MythTV recorded something worth watching!

Bluetooth - well, you can't really go wrong with bluetooth, so no faults here

Accelerometers - I'm not entirely sure why I need two of them, but hey
it's still pretty neat :)

GPS - Haven't tried it, can't imaging there being any hardware issues
with it thoguh.

Lack of keyboard - ewww, oh well, I guess it can be compensated for by
a decent on screen keyboard, right?

Screen - not sunlight readable!?!?! Dude, WTF? I guess the lack of a
keyboard CAN'T be compensated outside in the middle of the day then.
Oh well, I guess this is only 2nd gen after all, and it did take Nokia
until their 3rd gen Internet Tablet to include one... resolution of
480x640 - "meh, I don't need that much".

Audio jack - haven't used it yet, I would have preferred a 3.5mm jack,
but doesn't bother me too much.

RAM - 128 glorious MiB :) Just, please no one port firefox (microb or
other browsers using gecko, sure, just not the whole firefox).

NOR - *thankyou* for the failsafe FIC, speaking as one who has bricked
embedded devices before (and thank goodness I had a debug board with
jTAG for that).

NAND - 256 MB can feel cramped at times, but that's OK, just a sign
that I should probably have remembered that it's an embedded device
before I tried to install OpenSuSE desktop (kidding).

Camera (or lack there of) - Doesn't bother me personally, but then I'm
the guy that can be identified by carrying 3 phones (FR+N95(works as a
3G bluetooth modem and camera)+Work mobile) and an internet tablet in
various pockets in my cargo pants. It's an interesting point of debate
- on one side I'm hearing lots of people say "ooh, a smartphone I
could take into work", on the other side I'm hearing a lot of people
asking me about the phone and finally commenting "what? no camera?".
Though until the software gets better I'm not entirely sure how many
businesses (other than FIC obviously) would appreciate one of their
employees taking some time off to run some straces on the phone to try
to work out what's wrong with his SMS app THIS time, and just wishing
he had something with him that he could use to SSH into it to make
this faster...

Open - It's why I bought the thing



So yeah, overall the phone hardware is OK, but I wouldn't really call
it good. My main personal complaints are the lack of a sunlight
readable screen, USB1.1 and the lack of a keyboard or keypad. The main
hardware related points that random people keep bringing up when they
have a look at it are no 3G (probably thinking iPhone) and both sides
of the camera argument.

my 2c,
-Ian

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Media player dropouts (was Re: QTextended 4.4.1)

[Paul]

Hello Vladimir
> - - audio dropouts
>   

I noticed a huge improvement when converting the MP3's to OGG's.

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Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Bastian Muck]

I had no problems with echo. But I can confirm the other issues. And one
is missing: I can't recieve SMS. Does anyone? I wrote one to myself and
a friend wrote one. after half an hour i turned neo off and put the card
in my old phone and this recieved both messages.
But now, i have another issue: somehow the theme changed. And at this
theme the buttons at the bottom don't appear. so I neither can change
nor  do any other  important things.

Greetings Bastian

gromez schrieb:
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200
>> Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>
> [...]
>
>   
>> - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there
>> in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed.
>> 
>
> Same problem. A solution for getting the right date is to use the date
> command from ssh.
>
>   
>> - echo problem is back
>> 
>
> During a call, people notify me that they hear their own voice, so
> echo problem is back.
>
>   
>> - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze"
>> 
>
> I've tried alarm this morning and it worked fine.
>
>   
>> - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up
>> as "missed"
>> 
>
> Similar problem with calls and text messages. Even if I read them it
> seems they are never marked as read.
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Re: Community update, october 3rd 2008

[Michele Renda]

Thank you for this update. It is very nice to have a summary to get an
idea about what new there is on OM World.

Thank you
Michele Renda

2008/10/6 Minh Ha Duong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Contents
>
>* 1 Distributions
>* 2 Applications
>* 3 Hardware
>* 4 Wiki and community
>* 5 From the stars
>* 6 Outside Openmoko
>
> [edit] Distributions
>
>* The big affair was the release of Om2008.9 Update on September 19th, the
> dot one ASU. Or was it a big non-event, because those who updated daily were
> already ahead when it was released ? Some users were surprised that the
> stable feeds do not update
> almoshttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updatest everything
> everyday anymore, but this is what stable is supposed to mean. You don't get
> the nice fixes in the latest kernel, but you don't get the nasty new bugs
> either.
>* Another big point release: Qtopia 4.4. It's now called Qt Extended, we
> will need to update that string on about ~100 wiki pages!
>* FSO repositories moved to http://downloads.freesmartphone.org. Thanks
> Beartech for the interim hosting.
>* A startup announced NeoPwn, a distribution geared towards penetration
> testing. I am not sure if they are shipping yet. Their hat color is unclear
> to me, their slogan is Own it.. before it owns you.
>* FDOM is really gearing up. They now have a mailing list, a code
> repository, and a mission.
>
> [edit] Applications
>
>* Sephora, settings manager in PyGtk for XFCE started.
>* Also, openmoko-panel-plugin went from 0.1 to 0.4. It is a gtk based
> plugin that draws the powerstate of some FR hardware devices(i.e. gsm, gps)
> to a gtk based panel. Theses panels are used i.e. in xfce4. so you can enable
> or disable the state of your gps receiver.
>* Brian Code from Koolu documented how he made Linphone, that is voice
> over IP, work fine for him.
>* A screen Rotate daemon was developed successfully.
>
> [edit] Hardware
>
>* Battery#DIY external battery pack from a Minty case, or how to run the
> Neo from batteries (NB: a pair of AA cells will not provide as much as 1 amp
> of current.)
>* Thanks to Claus and Lothar, the CAD files are now available in other
> formats (BRLCAD, IGES, STEP)
>* Michael negociated with a custom-case making company, they could build
> something more rugged/waterproof if the demand was high enough.
>
> [edit] Wiki and community
>
>* The Documentation Team recategorized everything using a two-levels
> scheme. Browsing should be is easier now, try it! Of course we now need to
> clean up the pages inside each subcategory, but at least the big POS is not
> many small pos. Divide-and-conquer.
>* We also organized the list of applications. Now there is a master
> directory, then detailed lists by topic, and then application pages.
>* Coming soon: "Use google search", "Add page in this category", "Site
> directory" extensions.
>* Some nice artwork flew by on the community list. Raster is still with
> us. Following some advertisement, the Desktop wallpaper gallery grew from 1
> to 4 images. Keep them coming !
>* We are having a defining hearts-to-hearts discussion on the community
> list in Risto's initiated thread The Lost Openmoko community. See also the
> Weeky Engineering News 38 for Om's plans to involve the community more in the
> release process.
>* Good things are the pipeline for the Community Repository, including a
> submit by web interface (tickets 1518, 1543)
>
> [edit] From the stars
>
>* There were many kernel patches about SD cards and bus speed. Confusion
> about which kernel version goes into which branch and about packaging
> strategies led to some module mismatch issues.
>* There are still interesting discussions on the kernel mailing list on
> the state of the wlan driver. For the rest of us, it means that the Wifi
> driver is still being actively developed. In plain English: likely to be full
> of bugs.
>* The alsa sound configuration still puzzle most users. I think that as
> long as alsa-mixer is based on a linear list of cryptic acronyms, we are in
> the dark. Internship idea: redo the mixer as a clickable image map based on
> the sound chip circuits. Make that work for all Linux distros.
>* Developers should be aware that the Meta-toolchain was refreshed.
>* The kernel guys have banged their heads together about how to send all
> their changes upstream. Conclusion: good luck, that is a tough job.
>
> [edit] Outside Openmoko
>
>* The leading websearch company released their mobile OS called Android,
> nothing was said about an Openmoko port.
>* Pandora pre-sells thousands of their handheld linux gaming console.
> Sorry if you missed it, the next batch will be for 2009.
>
> ==
>
> Thanks to all those who are helping to improve the wiki. As for the last
> issue, this page can be fixed at:
>  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_3rd%2C_2008
>
> And interesting events

Re: How to build qt-extended?

[Nicola Mfb]

2008/10/5 Nicola Mfb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
>
>> Yes!, but the problem is not here, qbuild does not anything! it simply
>> answer Nothing to be done for "default"
>>
>> Regards
>>
>
> Ok, it happens on gentoo systems! on ubuntu it goes well.
>
>Nicola
>

Nothing, the qbuild process started on ubuntu but failed after some hours, i
tryied qtopiamake but this is deprecated, qbuild is undocumented and does
not recognize project file.., Lorn what am I missing? while fixing this may
provide a vmware based virtual machine for 4.4.1 and some updated
documentation?

Regards

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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[Joel Newkirk]

On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:46:56 +0200, gromez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:32 PM, gromez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Richy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I somehow managed to get it to work to some extend.
>>> The phone isn' ringin, just vibrating, but I can talk and hear during a
>>> call..
>>>
>>> make sure you have gstreamer installed,
>>> also I added a lot of packages, with alsa, gst, openmoko-state, etc.
>>> Didn't work until reboot. (And due to the Neos booting-time I don't
> want to
>>> reboot after each package just to check...)
>>
>> By default, it seems there's no /dev/dsp so sound can't work. Trying
>> to find the missing package ...
>>
> 
> Well, it's not a package but snd_pcm_oss module must be loaded.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# modprobe snd_pcm_oss
> 

Fantastic - I'll be trying this out ASAP - so long as I can get phone calls
ringing and working, I think I want to stick for now with the Raster image
plus FSO.


echo "snd_pcm_oss" >/etc/modutils.c/snd_pcm_oss
update-modules

will resolve that more permanently than modprobe'ing, auto-inserting that
module (and dependancies) on boot.

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Re: Search engine improved.

[Michael Shiloh]

BrendaWang wrote:
> Dear community:
> Openmoko IT guys had improved wiki search engine.
> Solutions was put Google Search extension on wiki site.
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GoogleSiteSearch
> 
> Feedback welcome.

Wow. That is an amazing improvement. Thank you IT guys and Brenda!

Michael

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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved

[Daniel Nöthen]

Hi,

I've found out that the echo suppression works only one time after qpe was
started. At least this applies to me.

Phone: freerunner (gta02)
Dist: OM2008.09 
gmshandset.state: http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/data/gsmhandset.state

"grep AT%N0187 libficgta01vendor.so" gives me a match.
So I assume that Florians patch got into OM2008.9

Here is a step by step list of how it behaves to me:
1. Boot the freerunner
2. Make a call -> no echo
3. Hang up
4. Make a call -> echo
5. Hang up
6. /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
7. Make a call -> no echo
8. Hang up
9. Make a call -> echo
.
.
.


With the above state file I was able to bring up the "Speaker" volume up to
100%
without hearing any echo on step 2 and 7. 
The volumes on both sides were very good.
On step 4 and 9 I could only bring up the "Speaker" volume to 79%.
Above 79% the echo came back.

So it seems that the echo suppression command (AT%N0187) gets reset after
every call.

Can anyone confirm this?


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Screenshots from wiki.openmoko.org

[Tobias Kündig]

Hello everyone

I'm working for a free german Linux-Magazine called Yalmagazine 
(www.yalmagazine.org). We are publishing an article about the Openmoko 
Freerunner this month.

I'm writing to ask you, if I may use some 2008.8 screenshots from the wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8

I'm sure someone on this list can answer my question.

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved

[Angus Ainslie]

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Daniel Nöthen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I've found out that the echo suppression works only one time after qpe was
> started. At least this applies to me.
>
> Phone: freerunner (gta02)
> Dist: OM2008.09
> gmshandset.state: http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/data/gsmhandset.state
>
> "grep AT%N0187 libficgta01vendor.so" gives me a match.
> So I assume that Florians patch got into OM2008.9
>
> Here is a step by step list of how it behaves to me:
> 1. Boot the freerunner
> 2. Make a call -> no echo
> 3. Hang up
> 4. Make a call -> echo
> 5. Hang up
> 6. /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
> 7. Make a call -> no echo
> 8. Hang up
> 9. Make a call -> echo
> .
> .
> .
>
>
> With the above state file I was able to bring up the "Speaker" volume up to
> 100%
> without hearing any echo on step 2 and 7.
> The volumes on both sides were very good.
> On step 4 and 9 I could only bring up the "Speaker" volume to 79%.
> Above 79% the echo came back.
>
> So it seems that the echo suppression command (AT%N0187) gets reset after
> every call.
>
> Can anyone confirm this?
>


I had noticed the echo came back for some calls but didn't see the pattern.

I have retested and it seems you are correct that it needs to be done for
every call.

Angus
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one day usage of qtextended

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

Hi,

I've used the qtextended distro for one day as a regular phone, here
are my experiences:

- first of all: battery life seems to be ok, after one day the battery
meter was still at 80%. Nice!
- echo issue: with my alsa state file, no issue anymore
- gsm suspends/unsuspends fine (for calls and sms's too)

So far the good stuff, now the bugs:
- alarm clock doesn't work after unsuspending (workaround: ssh'ing into
my phone and manually manipulating at)
- the predictive keyboard has troubles switching between its different
screens (numbers, lower case, upper case, ...). So sometimes I'm stuck
with numbers and can't get it to change to letters
- the full keyboard is almost unusable on the phone, it is just too
small
- sometimes a call arrives (happened with "unknown caller" only) and
when I answer, I can't hear the sound (I don't hear the sound click
that you hear in the headphones, and no sound arrives)
- sometimes a person calls, and the call registers twice (one arrives 2
seconds later). Maybe this has something to do with the same contact on
sim as in an imported vcf file?
- sms's in the trash can are counted as new ones when a new sms arrives
- sms's show up double (only emptying the trash after deleting them
seems to fix this).
- at the end of a call, the alarm sound always plays at full volume
from speaker

And some inconveniences:
- when using the dialer and then selecting a contact, it would be nice
to have the same letter-select as in the normal contact-list
- the favorites menu from the home-page doesn't allow you to add items,
the favorites menu from the settings or aux-button do this correct
- when adding a contact as a favorite, I can no longer delete this from
the favorites
- mp3's play choppy, even ogg's experience this (especially when
touching the screen while the player is on)

That's about it for now ... comments, suggestions, fixes anyone?

Franky

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HELP! Phone NAND u-boot borked and phone won't charge.

[Matthew Lane]

I've sent out a few e-mails about how the debian u-boot configure script 
borked my NAND u-boot, and whenever I boot into NOR flash and reflash my 
NAND u-boot, I only get the "Boot" option.  The phone will not boot up 
through computer USB or the AC charger.  In the past when my battery was 
dead, NAND would boot when plugged into the AC charger, but this won't 
work since my NAND is borked.

Does anyone know why my NAND is borked, and how I can fix it?  
Reflashing it from NOR isn't working, as the latest gta02v5 and up 
u-boot only gives the "boot" option and gives me a mtdparts error.

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Re: duke3d on debian ?

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Charles-Henri Gros wrote:
>> For those interested I can make available my modified binaries for both
>> duke and xglamo. I can of course also provide the modified sources
>> (actually, I *have* to)
> 
> There you go:
> http://charles-henri.org/duke3d
> http://charles-henri.org/Xglamo
> http://charles-henri.org/duke3d.tar.gz

Are they for debian only or also for Om2008?

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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[Chris Wright]

2008/10/1 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> eg:
>
> Press | Guess+dist
> e   e+0 w+1 r+2 d+2 s+1
> r   r+0 t+1 e+2 f+1 g+2 d+3
> k   k+0 l+1 o+2 i+3 j+3
> d   d+0 f+1 s+1 e+1 c+1 r+2 w+2

I assume this takes into account the keyboard layout, so if I use
dvorak or some random layout, it'll do the right thing. Right?

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Re: one day usage of qtextended

[Craig B. Allen]

Comments and additions:
> - mp3's play choppy, even ogg's experience this (especially when
> touching the screen while the player is on)
128k mp3s from podcasts play fine, haven't tried music or ogg.

- I have been unable to get wifi at home working (WPA2) despite
several attempts.

- feed address is wrong; changing it to 4.3.2 connects but finds no
packages (browsing there shows several).

- no way to install packages downloaded with wget

- finger scrolling too sensitive - often launches programs

- frequent "messages" from "129" (apparently transmissions from
T-Mobile that indicate that I have voicemail waiting show up in the
new message queue, they should be handled quietly in the background
and set a new voicemail indicator in the UI.

- I have not seen any documentation on phone features, other than the
help system (bravo that it exists!), like the little grey globe in the
header on the homescreen.

- help system sometimes describes features that don't appear to exist.

- record audio doesn't.

- browser doesn't see USB network

- rotated screen squashes graphic elements (e.g. icons)

- "smart' theme has no way to get to dialer

I have to say that Qtextended is fast and works better as a phone than
other distributions I have tried.  There are obviously many kinks and
applications to be enhanced, but we could do worse than a marriage of
the qt apps and FSO.

Kudos to the trolls!

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Re: HELP! Phone NAND u-boot borked and phone won't charge.

[Konstantin]

Matthew Lane wrote:
>
> Does anyone know why my NAND is borked, and how I can fix it?  
> Reflashing it from NOR isn't working, as the latest gta02v5 and up 
> u-boot only gives the "boot" option and gives me a mtdparts error.

If I understood you correctly, you are experiencing the same problem as I was a
few weeks ago. I think the problem is that the NAND configuration (that is, the
configuration for the menu items in the NAND menu) is stored on a seperate
partition from the uboot, so reflashing won't change it (actually, this is
probably a good thing, because that way you don't have to rebuild your custom
boot menu everytime you update your uboot).
I fixed that by asking someone in the irc-channel to kindly send me a backup of
his u-boot_env partition and flashing it on my freerunner. And then, you could
also just boot into nand and reconstruct the boot menu manually (see
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Bootloader_prompt for details)

HTH,
Konstantin

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Re: Screenshots from wiki.openmoko.org

[Charles-Henri Gros]

Tobias Kündig wrote:
> Hello everyone
> 
> I'm working for a free german Linux-Magazine called Yalmagazine 
> (www.yalmagazine.org). We are publishing an article about the Openmoko 
> Freerunner this month.
> 
> I'm writing to ask you, if I may use some 2008.8 screenshots from the wiki:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8
> 
> I'm sure someone on this list can answer my question.

This is all licensed under the GNU FDL

http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html

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Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner

[Nicolas Linkert]

Hi,

no, that does not change anything. 

ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200

komakino:/home/nicolas# ping 192.168.0.202
PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) 56(84) bytes of data.
>From 192.168.0.101 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.101 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.101 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.101 icmp_seq=5 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.101 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.101 icmp_seq=7 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.101 icmp_seq=9 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.101 icmp_seq=10 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.101 icmp_seq=11 Destination Host Unreachable

Any other ideas? It's really strange since this worked with the Neo
1973.

cu,
Nick
 
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:18:00 +0200, "Nicola Mfb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> 2008/10/6 Nicolas Linkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I might be a bit retarded (one never knows), but for the life of it I
> > cannot ssh into the FR:
> >
> > Host IP:  192.168.0.101
> > DNS:  192.168.0.100
> >
> > On the host I do as root:
> > ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> > ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > No route to host ... ?
> >
> 
> If you have eth0 with 192.168.0.101 (i guess it) you'll have a route for
> the
> entire class trough it. So assigning 192.168.0.200 to usb0 is not
> sufficient. Try route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200 after
> ifconfig, wait about 20 seconds and try to ping/ssh again.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Nicola

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Re: The Lost Openmoko Community

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Angus Ainslie wrote:
> Wifi is "working" as well as any basic distro install. You need to edit
> /etc/network/interfaces and or wpa_supplicant.conf but it is working.

Well, saying '"working"' is too much imho. I can connect only to an AP
at each reboot and after that the wifi chip continues sucking my battery
also if it isn't associated neither it can associate (and also scan)
with anything else.
I really hope that the Andy's patch to make the wifi driver modular
could workaround these problems...

Going back to the general thread, I was saying that OM was lacking of
comuncation also 4 months ago, but I know that developers should develop
first of all (and I'm with them, I'd prefer that too), so to me it seems
that there's a lack of people in Openmoko (they're too few for what
should be done).

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Re: Alasal's blog

[Alasal]

OK, It's good. I still have the mixed feelings about the cluttered and
multilingual planet, but I'm done with experimenting with adsense. Also I
had many reactions that were asking me for including my blog into the
planet.

I will not set the posts length for syndicated feeds, because I hate it when
I discover other blogs doing that. When I'm reading, I don't want to stop
and click somewhere else to get the rest. Maybe I will include an analytics
setting for knowing the post that are read and how many times.

Greetz and happy reading ;)


Alex Osborne wrote:
> 
> Minh Ha Duong wrote:
>>
>>   Please make sure that the feed is not syndicated without discussing it
>> with 
>> Alasal (the author's blog) again. Two weeks ago we decided against
>> including 
>> it because he had mixed feelings about the planet:
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-tt796556%7Ca1087886
> Sorry, I hadn't seen that.  I should have asked, but I didn't see an
> obvious way to contact the author and I didn't realise anyone would
> actually not want to be included. :-(
>>
>>   Of course, nothing prevents us to ask him again
>> *** with hearts of it and lots of sugar, pretty please ***
> Alasal, please, is there any chance?  It does look so much better with
> your posts in there.  In the mail Minh linked, you said you want to draw
> visitors directly to your blog for adsense.  Blogger has an option under
> "Site Feed" settings that gives out a "short" feed that only has the
> first paragraph of each of your posts and you have to click through to
> see the rest.  Perhaps you could set that on your blog and that way the
> planet could actually be a source to increase your visitors?  In fact I
> only found out about your blog through someone else mentioning it in the
> planet.  If not I will ask to have it removed again.
>>
>> Of course that is not going to make the planet suddenly less a mixed bag.
> The signal drowns out the noise if we have enough people who tag their
> posts properly? ;-)  It's actually pretty good at the moment, there
> seems to be only 2 off-topic posts in there.  I would volunteer to edit
> it, but I don't think I'm reliable enough to do it constantly. :/
>> I love the idea of being language inclusive by default. Down-to-earth 
>> convenience also suggest that we need "I can read this language"
>> checkboxes 
>> and cookies somewhere...
> Right.  Anyone know any libraries that do language detection?  Heck, I
> wouldn't mind if it fed everything through an automatic translator. 
> It's a pity Google's language AJAX API has such restrictive terms of
> service.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Alex
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Re: duke3d on debian ?

[Charles-Henri Gros]

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> Charles-Henri Gros wrote:
>>> For those interested I can make available my modified binaries for both
>>> duke and xglamo. I can of course also provide the modified sources
>>> (actually, I *have* to)
>> There you go:
>> http://charles-henri.org/duke3d
>> http://charles-henri.org/Xglamo
>> http://charles-henri.org/duke3d.tar.gz
> 
> Are they for debian only or also for Om2008?

I'm using 2008.9

I assume they work for both.

I actually worked on this this week-end and made a number of
improvements, including an opk

See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_3D

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Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner

[Paul]

Nick,

> Any other ideas? It's really strange since this worked with the Neo
> 1973.
>   

Not sure if this helps you, but this is what I stuck in my firewall 
script for the Neo:

# Freerunner's USB:
$iptables -A FORWARD -i usb0 -j ACCEPT
$iptables -A INPUT -i usb0 -j ACCEPT
$iptables -A OUTPUT -o usb0 -j ACCEPT

# For Freerunner IP
iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT
iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.200 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24


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Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner

[Joel Newkirk]

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:42:41 +0200, "Nicolas Linkert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> no, that does not change anything.
> 
> ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200
> 

>> > Host IP:  192.168.0.101
>> > DNS:  192.168.0.100
>> >
>> > On the host I do as root:
>> > ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
>> > ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> > No route to host ... ?

can you post the output of "ip a" and "ip r" on the host?

What OS on the host?  (well, OS presumably is 'linux' if you're able to use
ifconfig usb0, but what distro?)

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Re: Screenshots from wiki.openmoko.org

[Tobias Kündig]

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Regards,
Tobias

Charles-Henri Gros schrieb:
> Tobias Kündig wrote:
>   
>> Hello everyone
>>
>> I'm working for a free german Linux-Magazine called Yalmagazine 
>> (www.yalmagazine.org). We are publishing an article about the Openmoko 
>> Freerunner this month.
>>
>> I'm writing to ask you, if I may use some 2008.8 screenshots from the wiki:
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8
>>
>> I'm sure someone on this list can answer my question.
>> 
>
> This is all licensed under the GNU FDL
>
> http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html
>
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Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner

[Joel Newkirk]

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:53:16 +0200, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nick,
> 
>> Any other ideas? It's really strange since this worked with the Neo
>> 1973.
>>
> 
> Not sure if this helps you, but this is what I stuck in my firewall
> script for the Neo:
> 
> # Freerunner's USB:
> $iptables -A FORWARD -i usb0 -j ACCEPT
> $iptables -A INPUT -i usb0 -j ACCEPT
> $iptables -A OUTPUT -o usb0 -j ACCEPT
> 
> # For Freerunner IP
> iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT
> iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.200 -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
> 
> 
> Paul

If he's receiving "no route to host" then the firewall rules aren't germane
- that message is coming from the kernel routing support, netfilter isn't
involved yet at that point.
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Re: Re: HELP! Phone NAND u-boot borked and phone won't charge.

[Matthew Lane]

Thanks a bunch.  I've already played around with the environment using 
cu in NAND u-boot.  I'll hop on IRC and see what I can do.  Thanks again.


Konstantin wrote:

Matthew Lane wrote:
  
Does anyone know why my NAND is borked, and how I can fix it?  
Reflashing it from NOR isn't working, as the latest gta02v5 and up 
u-boot only gives the "boot" option and gives me a mtdparts error.



If I understood you correctly, you are experiencing the same problem as I was a
few weeks ago. I think the problem is that the NAND configuration (that is, the
configuration for the menu items in the NAND menu) is stored on a seperate
partition from the uboot, so reflashing won't change it (actually, this is
probably a good thing, because that way you don't have to rebuild your custom
boot menu everytime you update your uboot).
I fixed that by asking someone in the irc-channel to kindly send me a backup of
his u-boot_env partition and flashing it on my freerunner. And then, you could
also just boot into nand and reconstruct the boot menu manually (see
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Bootloader_prompt for details)

HTH,
Konstantin


  
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Re: one day usage of qtextended

[Lorn Potter]

Craig B. Allen wrote:
> Comments and additions:
>> - mp3's play choppy, even ogg's experience this (especially when
>> touching the screen while the player is on)
> 128k mp3s from podcasts play fine, haven't tried music or ogg.
> 
> - I have been unable to get wifi at home working (WPA2) despite
> several attempts.
> 
> - feed address is wrong; changing it to 4.3.2 connects but finds no
> packages (browsing there shows several).
> 
> - no way to install packages downloaded with wget

Only way to install packages into qt extended is through the package 
manager, which only allows packages via web server. I know, it's 
retarded, but thats the way it is. It might change in the future.

> 
> - finger scrolling too sensitive - often launches programs
> 
> - frequent "messages" from "129" (apparently transmissions from
> T-Mobile that indicate that I have voicemail waiting show up in the
> new message queue, they should be handled quietly in the background
> and set a new voicemail indicator in the UI.
> 
> - I have not seen any documentation on phone features, other than the
> help system (bravo that it exists!), like the little grey globe in the
> header on the homescreen.

This is a gtalk presence indicator.

> 
> - help system sometimes describes features that don't appear to exist.

Can you name specifics here?

> 
> - record audio doesn't.
> 
> - browser doesn't see USB network
> 
> - rotated screen squashes graphic elements (e.g. icons)

Only on the homescreen

> 
> - "smart' theme has no way to get to dialer
> 
> I have to say that Qtextended is fast and works better as a phone than
> other distributions I have tried.  There are obviously many kinks and
> applications to be enhanced, but we could do worse than a marriage of
> the qt apps and FSO.
> 
> Kudos to the trolls!

Thanks!

> 
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Re: one day usage of qtextended

[Lorn Potter]

Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've used the qtextended distro for one day as a regular phone, here
> are my experiences:
> 
> - first of all: battery life seems to be ok, after one day the battery
> meter was still at 80%. Nice!
> - echo issue: with my alsa state file, no issue anymore

Could you attach your alsa state file?

All the other things are known issues, and are being worked on.


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Re: Community update, october 3rd 2008

[Lorn Potter]

Minh Ha Duong wrote:

> * Another big point release: Qtopia 4.4. It's now called Qt Extended, we 
> will need to update that string on about ~100 wiki pages!

Qt Extended only refers to versions 4.4.1 and above. Any reference to 
Qtopia 4.3.x should remain the same.

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Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner

[Nicolas Linkert]

On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:53:32 -0400, "Joel Newkirk"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:42:41 +0200, "Nicolas Linkert"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > no, that does not change anything.
> > 
> > ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> > route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200
> > 
> 
> >> > Host IP:  192.168.0.101
> >> > DNS:  192.168.0.100
> >> >
> >> > On the host I do as root:
> >> > ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> >> > ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >> > No route to host ... ?
> 
> can you post the output of "ip a" and "ip r" on the host?

ip a

1: lo:  mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
state UP qlen 1000
link/ether 00:1f:29:7f:4e:a5 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.0.101/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0
inet6 fe80::21f:29ff:fe7f:4ea5/64 scope link 
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
3: usb0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
link/ether 6e:6d:ef:52:f2:5b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

ip r

192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.0.101 
169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0  scope link  metric 1000 
default via 192.168.0.100 dev eth0 

> 
> What OS on the host?  (well, OS presumably is 'linux' if you're able to
> use
> ifconfig usb0, but what distro?)

Debian Lenny

cu,
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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved

[Al Johnson]

On Monday 06 October 2008, Daniel Nöthen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've found out that the echo suppression works only one time after qpe was
> started. At least this applies to me.
>
> Phone: freerunner (gta02)
> Dist: OM2008.09
> gmshandset.state: http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/data/gsmhandset.state
>
> "grep AT%N0187 libficgta01vendor.so" gives me a match.
> So I assume that Florians patch got into OM2008.9
>
> Here is a step by step list of how it behaves to me:
> 1. Boot the freerunner
> 2. Make a call -> no echo
> 3. Hang up
> 4. Make a call -> echo
> 5. Hang up
> 6. /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
> 7. Make a call -> no echo
> 8. Hang up
> 9. Make a call -> echo
> .
> .
> .
>
>
> With the above state file I was able to bring up the "Speaker" volume up to
> 100%
> without hearing any echo on step 2 and 7.
> The volumes on both sides were very good.
> On step 4 and 9 I could only bring up the "Speaker" volume to 79%.
> Above 79% the echo came back.
>
> So it seems that the echo suppression command (AT%N0187) gets reset after
> every call.
>
> Can anyone confirm this?

When I tested this under FSO I checked that it was persistent over multiple 
calls. It remained until I explicitly disabled it with AT%N0001 mid call 
several calls later to check the effect back to back. I may retest this in 
case I missed something.

Are there any resets of any sort in there that could undo the setting? Unless 
there's a delay involved I can't see any harm in sending AT%N0187 at the 
start of every call.

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Re: Re: one day usage of qtextended

[rhn]

A short sneak peek on qtExtended. Disclaimer: I downloaded the image from main 
page of wiki.openmoko.org and the kernel image from SDK package advertised on 
qtextended website.

> - I have been unable to get wifi at home working (WPA2) despite
> several attempts.
> 
I made asuccesful connection to unsecured network at home, but since then the 
deice began stopping responding for ~5 secs every ~20 secs. Very annoying.
> - feed address is wrong; changing it to 4.3.2 connects but finds no
> packages (browsing there shows several).
I tried to downloaded packages, but it stalled somewhere before showing any 
relevant info.
 
> - browser doesn't see USB network
It didn't want to cooperate with the wlan connection; after trying any website, 
either "http://"; was replaced by "file:///" or just "file:///" prepended to the 
address.

Some of the games require pressing "select" to start and there's no hint as to 
what the "select" is.

Also, the handwriting recognition doesn't work terribly well - the input fields 
are too smal and the touchscreen input is too inaccurate to make handwriting 
comfortable. Switching back from the keyboard to handwirting was a bit 
confusing, too.

I hope this helps improving the distro!
Cheers
rhn

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RE: Volume

[Matthias Camenzind]

> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:17:32 +0200
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Volume
> 
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Matthias Camenzind
>  wrote:
>>
>> I found out a way to get better volume settings.
>> cp /usr/share/openmoko/gsmhandset.state /home/root/
>> modify entry 'Mic2 Capture Volume' value to 3 and 'Speaker Playback Volume' 
>> value to 95 (in state file in /home/root/
>> create a script like this:
>> #!/bin/bash
>> cp /home/root/*.state /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/
>>
>> this should work, same way you can edit other state files.
>> to autorun the script i added it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
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The default settings aren't very good. The other end of a call hears near to 
only an echo but not you. You can solve it if you turn up Mic2 and Speaker a 
bit down. The autorun script abve is not needed,
Read some post with subject "Echo issue solved ...", they told the settings 
will only stay for one call. I didn't test so far my self.

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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved

[Angus Ainslie]

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> When I tested this under FSO I checked that it was persistent over multiple
> calls. It remained until I explicitly disabled it with AT%N0001 mid call
> several calls later to check the effect back to back. I may retest this in
> case I missed something.
>
>
>
My FR has the bouncing calypso problem, so it may be that the registering
de-registering causes it to reset the AEC ?

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Re: Android

[sampablokuper]

Mikko Rauhala wrote:
> 
> You need to modify the VM to target arm4 and use X11 for display (and
> handle environment integration in a sufficient manner for the desired
> apps). Probably one of the bigger pieces of porting work with the whole
> system, since it's decidedly not just a recompile away. Probably not an
> insane amount of work though either, but this is from a guy not doing
> it.
> 

Hmm. It does sound like a fair bit of work. Essentially, I like the idea of
developing my own mobile apps. I'd want them to be available to both
Android, OpenMoko and Qtopia phones. This pretty much necessitates targeting
Android, since it is the most restrictive platform, and porting to the
others. If I'm developing my own Android apps, would there be much I could
do to improve the portability of them to OpenMoko/Qtopia/etc, in order to
reduce the number of steps required to port them?

Thanks, and sorry that I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to open mobile
platforms :)

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Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner

[Nicolas Linkert]

The following entry in /etc/network/interfaces allows me to log into the
FR - but then I have no access to the internet ... 

# The primary network interface
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.0.101
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 192.168.0.0
broadcast 192.168.0.255
gateway 192.168.0.100
dns-nameservers 192.168.0.100
dns-search gamma.vz

auto usb0
iface usb0 inet static
address 192.168.0.200
netmask 255.255.255.0


On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:28:21 +0200, "Nicolas Linkert"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> 
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:53:32 -0400, "Joel Newkirk"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:42:41 +0200, "Nicolas Linkert"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > no, that does not change anything.
> > > 
> > > ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> > > route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200
> > > 
> > 
> > >> > Host IP:  192.168.0.101
> > >> > DNS:  192.168.0.100
> > >> >
> > >> > On the host I do as root:
> > >> > ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> > >> > ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> >
> > >> > No route to host ... ?
> > 
> > can you post the output of "ip a" and "ip r" on the host?
> 
> ip a
> 
> 1: lo:  mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 
> link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
> inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
> inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
> state UP qlen 1000
> link/ether 00:1f:29:7f:4e:a5 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> inet 192.168.0.101/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0
> inet6 fe80::21f:29ff:fe7f:4ea5/64 scope link 
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 3: usb0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
> state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
> link/ether 6e:6d:ef:52:f2:5b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> 
> ip r
> 
> 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.0.101 
> 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0  scope link  metric 1000 
> default via 192.168.0.100 dev eth0 
> 
> > 
> > What OS on the host?  (well, OS presumably is 'linux' if you're able to
> > use
> > ifconfig usb0, but what distro?)
> 
> Debian Lenny
> 
> cu,
> Nick
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Re: Screenshots from wiki.openmoko.org

[Steve Mosher]

Everything is free and open.
You can also get press materials here
http://www.openmoko.com/press-press-material.html

Steve.
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Tobias Kündig wrote:
> Hello everyone
> 
> I'm working for a free german Linux-Magazine called Yalmagazine 
> (www.yalmagazine.org). We are publishing an article about the Openmoko 
> Freerunner this month.
> 
> I'm writing to ask you, if I may use some 2008.8 screenshots from the wiki:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8
> 
> I'm sure someone on this list can answer my question.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
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Re: The Lost Openmoko Community ( what's a community manager to do?)

[Steve Mosher]

Stroller wrote:
> One of the things that Risto was complaining about was the number of 
> distros for the Freerunner, and "they're all incomplete!!"
> 
> His words "why don't the developers feel ok to contribute directly to 
> 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros?" echo my own complaints 
> a couple of months ago in my message "Community contributions to core 
> apps & features" 9 weeks ago.
   Let me provide a little history. back in October of 2007 We faced a 
decision on software. From the schedules we knew hardware would be
ready before software. So the following choices where available to us.

   1. Ship the hardware with a bootable linux. Absolute bare bones.
  a number of people thought this would make the community happy.
   2. Ship with Qtopia if it was ready. A number of people supported
  this.
   3. Take the existing Openhand project. Cut back the features to
  a bare minimum ( dialer, sms,contacts) and ship with that.

   #3 (2007.2) won out for a variety of reasons.It was not a perfect 
solution, by a long shot. It was clear any one of these paths would
cause some sort of division, some sort of complaints.


  In parallel, we would define a new set of applications with a 
different look and feel and some new and interesting applications.
this would be a long term project. The design would be as simple
( empty vessel to use shawns term) as possible, and we would encourage
developers to add to it improve etc.

It was clear that this too would cause division. I guess you could say
we embraced fragmentation, well aware of the pitfalls.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080918-openmoko-ceo-embrace-fragmentation-diversity-is-a-strength.html


> 
> You & Sean have said that you want to follow your own vision in the 
> software side of things - developers can't supply patches for power-user 
> features (that make the UI more complex) and expect you to include them 
> in the "core" distro, if you're trying to produce a phone software suite 
> for grandmothers. 
  That's not the Goal of 2008.x The design philosophy is to create 
something clean and simple and then let end users clutter it up
to their hearts content

And I really understand where you're coming from with
> this - you have to sell loads more volume if you want your hardware 
> business to be successful.
  Well, actually not. I measure success in terms of profitability. At the
  current volumes and the current cost of operations we are
  where we need to be. ramping to grandma volume is a careful process
  that does not happen overnight. Crawl walk run.  The pesky in and outs
  of cash flow and building out process of bigger sales, marketing and 
engineering organizations.

> 
> So the only answer to this IS to have more distros. And really, anyone 
> complaining about the state of the current software stacks should have 
> been here 3 months ago. Back then it was "Openmoko shouldn't have 
> shipped broken hardware with this GPS bug!" Isn't that now all fixed in 
> the kernel drivers? No-one who sees how much the situation has improved 
> is complaining now.
   We actually like the fact that there are competing distros. The one 
unique thing we offer is the freedom to choose your distro and choose 
your carrier. In the US, for example you can choose Tmobile or ATT.
> 
> I appreciate there's some room for compromise between "grandmothers" and 
> power-users on the state of the software. You can start with a basic 
> interface and have a framework so that extra features are only shown 
> once installed & configured by the advanced users.

   Yup, thats the plan.

  But there is no "one
> true way" - if we look at the state of desktop window managers, we see 
> that. This is a relatively mature "market" - Gnome & KDE have both been 
> around and stable for several years. When Risto or some other newcomer 
> looks at Openmoko & the Freerunner, you cannot expect them to see a 
> "path" as clear, directed and well-signposted as that space.
   Agreed
> 
> I applaud your effort - you're responding to criticism and asking how 
> you can fix the problem - but I can't see how a "community manager" can 
> change anything. You can't exactly deny there are several Freerunner 
> distros, or that they're all works in progress!
   facts are facts. The community manager cant change past facts. What can
   he do? That's an open question I pose to a creative community.
   Do I have ideas, sure; will some of them suck? most assuredly.
   Might some be good? I've had my lucky epiphanies. The one thing
   I'm sure of is that the community will think of things that I didnt.
   ( and yes, some ideas will suck and others will have merit)
> 
> Build the product and the community will come to you!
> It already has, it's just a little too early for everyone to see the 
> fruits of this.
   yes. my question is can we optimize the effort. Again, open question.
   negative feedback is as welcome ( in due course) as positive 
feedback.not to 

Re: Freerunner Owners' Pub Meet In Cambridge (UK)

[Robert Norton]

2008/9/24 Robert Norton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hello,
>
> Tom Yates and I decided it might be fun to meet other Freerunner
> owners in the Cambridge area for informal general discussion and to
> swap tips and tricks. We've arranged to meet in the Cambridge Blue
> (Gwydir Street) at 9pm on Wednesday 8th October. Please feel free to
> come along! Owners of Neo 1973 are, of course, welcome too (you might
> even get celebrity status!) as are prospective owners.

Just a reminder that this pub meet will be taking place this
Wednesday. If you think you might attend and haven't already please
drop me an email (or just turn up).

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Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner

[Neil Jerram]

2008/10/6 Nicolas Linkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> # The primary network interface
> allow-hotplug eth0
> iface eth0 inet static
>address 192.168.0.101
>netmask 255.255.255.0
>network 192.168.0.0
>broadcast 192.168.0.255
>gateway 192.168.0.100
>dns-nameservers 192.168.0.100
>dns-search gamma.vz
>
> auto usb0
> iface usb0 inet static
> address 192.168.0.200
> netmask 255.255.255.0

Your eth0 and usb0 interfaces must be on different subnets.  If your
wireless (eth0) has to be on 192.168.0/24 - e.g. because you've
already got lots of other devices set up with that addressing in your
house - then move usb0 to 192.168.1/24.  Just make sure you make a
corresponding change on your PC, when you want to use USB networking,
and all should be well.

Regards,
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why?

[Detructor]

Why is there no distro with GPRS/WLAN support?
After (dunno...5 or 6 months?) there is still no distro for the neo
freerunner that has a GPRS/WLAN support, that works.

yeah, you'll say "but there is the OM2008.x stuff" and I'll answer: it
simple does not work! I mean...WLAN works only per editing config files
(there is no working GUI for encrypted WEP WLANs) and GPRS...you've to
disable your PIN...sorry, but I don't have that much money, to let
someone steal my neo/SIM and use it to call his or her friends in china
or somewhere else. So it simple does not work.

Now you'll come with qtopia...and I'll say: yeah...errhm...there is a
GUI (good) but it does not work, because the ppp module isn't builded
into the kernel (mwester) and there is no kernel from nokia/trolltech
yet (why?)

hmmm...now, there is Debian, I don't know if it works there...because I
don't have the space to install it on the neo.

and FSO and SHR doesn't have images, yet. (FSO not before spring 2009)
and nobody knows when the SHR will come with an image.

Now...when will there be a GPRS capable image? 2009? 2010? never? or
packaged with Duke Nukem Forever in the software pack "For what you've
waited all your life" that ships just 2 days after my death?



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Re: one day usage of qtextended

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:16:05 +1000
Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've used the qtextended distro for one day as a regular phone, here
> > are my experiences:
> > 
> > - first of all: battery life seems to be ok, after one day the
> > battery meter was still at 80%. Nice!
> > - echo issue: with my alsa state file, no issue anymore
> 
> Could you attach your alsa state file?

see attach
 
> All the other things are known issues, and are being worked on.

great to hear!

Franky


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Re: why?

[Lorn Potter]

Detructor wrote:
> Why is there no distro with GPRS/WLAN support?
> After (dunno...5 or 6 months?) there is still no distro for the neo
> freerunner that has a GPRS/WLAN support, that works.
> 
> yeah, you'll say "but there is the OM2008.x stuff" and I'll answer: it
> simple does not work! I mean...WLAN works only per editing config files
> (there is no working GUI for encrypted WEP WLANs) and GPRS...you've to
> disable your PIN...sorry, but I don't have that much money, to let
> someone steal my neo/SIM and use it to call his or her friends in china
> or somewhere else. So it simple does not work.
> 
> Now you'll come with qtopia...and I'll say: yeah...errhm...there is a
> GUI (good) but it does not work, because the ppp module isn't builded
> into the kernel (mwester) and there is no kernel from nokia/trolltech
> yet (why?)

Because Qt Software doesn't do kernels. and I havent had time to work on GPRS.
Qt Extended wlan works without editing conf files, btw.


-- 
Lorn 'ljp' Potter
Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd



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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved

[Al Johnson]

On Monday 06 October 2008, Angus Ainslie wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Al Johnson 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> > When I tested this under FSO I checked that it was persistent over
> > multiple calls. It remained until I explicitly disabled it with AT%N0001
> > mid call several calls later to check the effect back to back. I may
> > retest this in case I missed something.
>
> My FR has the bouncing calypso problem, so it may be that the registering
> de-registering causes it to reset the AEC ?

Could be - mine only has the bounce intermittently so I may have tested when 
it was being well behaved. Who knows what the effect of a buggy behaviour on 
an undocumented setting might be ;-? Pity there's no (known) way of getting 
the current state of noise reduction and AEC.


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Re: why?

[Rod Whitby]

Detructor wrote:
> and FSO and SHR doesn't have images, yet. (FSO not before spring 2009)
> and nobody knows when the SHR will come with an image.

FSO has released three milestone images, and also has daily build images
available at downloads.freesmartphone.org - they may not be the complete
stable finished images that you are looking for, but they are bootable
functional images nonetheless.

SHR has corresponding images available at shr.bearstech.com ...

-- Rod (who manages the autobuilders which build those images)

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Re: why?

[Detructor]

> Because Qt Software doesn't do kernels.
oh, didn't know that...thought that the kernel for the OM 1973 is from
qt...

>  and I havent had time to work on GPRS.
> Qt Extended wlan works without editing conf files, btw.


hmm...there is no WEP setting...only for WPA as far as I see o_0



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Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner

[Joel Newkirk]

Sorry, I'd expected to be in front of a computer earlier to respond...

>> 3: usb0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
>> state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
>> link/ether 6e:6d:ef:52:f2:5b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

>> 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.0.101
>> 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0  scope link  metric 1000
>> default via 192.168.0.100 dev eth0

That's a problem right there - the state of the interface is 'UNKNOWN', it
has no IP, and (hand in hand with no IP) there's no route out usb0 for
anything.  However, since you later said you can SSH to the FR with
different settings, I'm assuming this to have been a temporary glitch...


Try these on for size, in /etc/network/interfaces on the host:

auto usb0
iface usb0 inet static
address 192.168.0.201
netmask 255.255.255.252
post-up iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
192.168.0.202
post-up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
post-up iptables -I FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 ACCEPT
post-up iptables -I FORWARD -d 192.168.0.202 ACCEPT
pre-down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.202
pre-down iptables -D FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 ACCEPT
pre-down iptables -D FORWARD -d 192.168.0.202 ACCEPT


And on the FreeRunner:

auto usb0
iface usb0 inet static
address 192.168.0.202
netmask 255.255.255.252
network 192.168.0.200
gateway 192.168.0.201
up echo "nameserver 192.168.0.100" | resolvconf -a usb0
down resolvconf -d usb0


NOTE: This uses 192.168.0.201 on the host, not 192.168.0.200.  This lets us
clip it down to a /30 subnet, two IPs plus network and broadcast.  The
above works for me (with slight variations regarding nameserver and nat
rules) on three different Ubuntu boxes and at least one Mandriva. 
Depending on the image/distro on the Freerunner, the two 'resolvconf' lines
may not work out, it may instead need 'up echo "nameserver 192.168.0.100"
>/etcf/resolv.conf' and no 'down', or even other approaches to setting
nameservers.  Using resolvconf is the 'right' way with 2007/2008 distros,
AFAICS.

j



On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:43:59 +0200, "Nicolas Linkert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> The following entry in /etc/network/interfaces allows me to log into the
> FR - but then I have no access to the internet ...
> 
> # The primary network interface
> allow-hotplug eth0
> iface eth0 inet static
>   address 192.168.0.101
>   netmask 255.255.255.0
>   network 192.168.0.0
>   broadcast 192.168.0.255
>   gateway 192.168.0.100
>   dns-nameservers 192.168.0.100
>   dns-search gamma.vz
> 
> auto usb0
> iface usb0 inet static
> address 192.168.0.200
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> 
> 
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:28:21 +0200, "Nicolas Linkert"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>
>> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:53:32 -0400, "Joel Newkirk"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> > On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:42:41 +0200, "Nicolas Linkert"
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > no, that does not change anything.
>> > >
>> > > ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
>> > > route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200
>> > >
>> >
>> > >> > Host IP:  192.168.0.101
>> > >> > DNS:  192.168.0.100
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On the host I do as root:
>> > >> > ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
>> > >> > ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >> >
>> > >> > No route to host ... ?
>> >
>> > can you post the output of "ip a" and "ip r" on the host?
>>
>> ip a
>>
>> 1: lo:  mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN
>> link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
>> inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
>> inet6 ::1/128 scope host
>>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
>> 2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
>> state UP qlen 1000
>> link/ether 00:1f:29:7f:4e:a5 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>> inet 192.168.0.101/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0
>> inet6 fe80::21f:29ff:fe7f:4ea5/64 scope link
>>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
>> 3: usb0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
>> state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
>> link/ether 6e:6d:ef:52:f2:5b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>>
>> ip r
>>
>> 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.0.101
>> 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0  scope link  metric 1000
>> default via 192.168.0.100 dev eth0
>>
>> >
>> > What OS on the host?  (well, OS presumably is 'linux' if you're able
> to
>> > use
>> > ifconfig usb0, but what distro?)
>>
>> Debian Lenny
>>
>> cu,
>> Nick
>>
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Re: one day usage of qtextended

[Craig B. Allen]

I may have spoken too soon...

> 128k mp3s from podcasts play fine, haven't tried music or ogg.

- In a more extended listen, there were slight gaps or stutters; need
to test more (but not soon - see below)

> I have to say that Qtextended is fast and works better as a phone than
> other distributions I have tried.

- Unfortunately, that's not a very high bar.  Found what is a fatal
flaw today when I received a call forwarded by Grand Central.  For
these calls, I need to press "1" to take the call.  I can get to the
keypad but then the erroneous and redundant "missed call" window pops
up and makes it impossible to proceed.  I'm hoping this will be an
easy one to fix.

Meanwhile, it's back to the Razr... sigh.

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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[The Rasterman]

On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:01:14 -0400 "Chris Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> 2008/10/1 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > eg:
> >
> > Press | Guess+dist
> > e   e+0 w+1 r+2 d+2 s+1
> > r   r+0 t+1 e+2 f+1 g+2 d+3
> > k   k+0 l+1 o+2 i+3 j+3
> > d   d+0 f+1 s+1 e+1 c+1 r+2 w+2
> 
> I assume this takes into account the keyboard layout, so if I use
> dvorak or some random layout, it'll do the right thing. Right?

yes. of course. i was just using qwerty as the example - it doesnt care what
the layout is. a key is an object in a location on the canvas that emits a
string (converted to a keystroke) or a direct keystroke (f1, escape, tab,
etc.). only keys that emit strings are used for dictionary lookup - those that
emit a keystroke end any string composition and then just emit exactly that
keystroke. when it looks for nearby keys it hunts through everything in the
layout and just bases it on geometry. so it's generic. do a dvorak .kbd file
and it'll "just work".

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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:52:00 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>
babbled:

> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > it does have concept of frequency orf words. i just dont have any DATA for
> > that. the dict format handles is:
> > word1
> > word2
> > word3
> > 
> > OR
> > word1 20
> > word2 434
> > word3 1
> 
> I was thinking to a way to automatize this a while ago, but I wrote
> something just now...
> The basic idea is that of using the google number of results for each
> word and using this value as a frequency number (well, I know these
> numbers are often too much great, so I guess that they should be
> re-analyzed and lowered but I had no time to do this now :P).
> 
> So this is a little utility I wrote [1] to check the frequency of each
> word and writing back a new dictionary with frequency data.
> 
> To run it you need php-cli (I guess v5 or above), set the given options,
> do "php words-popularity.php" and wait the work to be finished! :P
> 
> It could be a long work, but it should give good results.

yes. it would. who wants to run it? :)

nb. i checked illume's kbd code - it does have issues with utf8 keysequences in
sorted dicts. if you have any it'll fail to keep looking for more words so you
need to remove anything utf8 from your dict :( yes - i know. bad. i need to
address this. and the change in dict format i am sure 1. makes this now simple,
2. compresses the dict, 3. speeds it up, 4. solves this problem. :) but i just
need to do it - no time right now :(

> PS: I've used php since I run it both on my PC and on a server (dividing
> the work) where I've ssh access but in which I can run by command line
> just a little subset of languages, and php is one of this.
> 
> [1] http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/openmoko/words-popularity.phps
> 
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> http://www.3v1n0.net/
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2.6.26 kernel testing?

[Glen Ogilvie]

Hi,

Does anyone have some pre-built 2.6.26 kernels that could be tested?  I am 
wondering if I should compile something from the git kernel tree.  I don't 
care if wifi does not work, but need something that will suspend and resume.

Been using: uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin but still get WSOD on 
resume.

Glen


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Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner

[Nicolas Linkert]

Great! This works for me. The only thing I had to change were the
"ACCEPT" commands since they were not accepted.

Thanks.

cu,
Nick

On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:28:58 -0400, "Joel Newkirk"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Sorry, I'd expected to be in front of a computer earlier to respond...
> 
> >> 3: usb0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
> >> state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
> >> link/ether 6e:6d:ef:52:f2:5b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> 
> >> 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.0.101
> >> 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0  scope link  metric 1000
> >> default via 192.168.0.100 dev eth0
> 
> That's a problem right there - the state of the interface is 'UNKNOWN',
> it
> has no IP, and (hand in hand with no IP) there's no route out usb0 for
> anything.  However, since you later said you can SSH to the FR with
> different settings, I'm assuming this to have been a temporary glitch...
> 
> 
> Try these on for size, in /etc/network/interfaces on the host:
> 
> auto usb0
> iface usb0 inet static
> address 192.168.0.201
> netmask 255.255.255.252
> post-up iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
> 192.168.0.202
> post-up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> post-up iptables -I FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 ACCEPT
> post-up iptables -I FORWARD -d 192.168.0.202 ACCEPT
> pre-down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
> 192.168.0.202
> pre-down iptables -D FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 ACCEPT
> pre-down iptables -D FORWARD -d 192.168.0.202 ACCEPT
> 
> 
> And on the FreeRunner:
> 
> auto usb0
> iface usb0 inet static
> address 192.168.0.202
> netmask 255.255.255.252
> network 192.168.0.200
> gateway 192.168.0.201
> up echo "nameserver 192.168.0.100" | resolvconf -a usb0
> down resolvconf -d usb0
> 
> 
> NOTE: This uses 192.168.0.201 on the host, not 192.168.0.200.  This lets
> us
> clip it down to a /30 subnet, two IPs plus network and broadcast.  The
> above works for me (with slight variations regarding nameserver and nat
> rules) on three different Ubuntu boxes and at least one Mandriva. 
> Depending on the image/distro on the Freerunner, the two 'resolvconf'
> lines
> may not work out, it may instead need 'up echo "nameserver 192.168.0.100"
> >/etcf/resolv.conf' and no 'down', or even other approaches to setting
> nameservers.  Using resolvconf is the 'right' way with 2007/2008 distros,
> AFAICS.
> 
> j
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:43:59 +0200, "Nicolas Linkert"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > The following entry in /etc/network/interfaces allows me to log into the
> > FR - but then I have no access to the internet ...
> > 
> > # The primary network interface
> > allow-hotplug eth0
> > iface eth0 inet static
> > address 192.168.0.101
> > netmask 255.255.255.0
> > network 192.168.0.0
> > broadcast 192.168.0.255
> > gateway 192.168.0.100
> > dns-nameservers 192.168.0.100
> > dns-search gamma.vz
> > 
> > auto usb0
> > iface usb0 inet static
> > address 192.168.0.200
> > netmask 255.255.255.0
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:28:21 +0200, "Nicolas Linkert"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:53:32 -0400, "Joel Newkirk"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >> > On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:42:41 +0200, "Nicolas Linkert"
> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > Hi,
> >> > >
> >> > > no, that does not change anything.
> >> > >
> >> > > ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> >> > > route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > >> > Host IP:  192.168.0.101
> >> > >> > DNS:  192.168.0.100
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On the host I do as root:
> >> > >> > ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> >> > >> > ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > No route to host ... ?
> >> >
> >> > can you post the output of "ip a" and "ip r" on the host?
> >>
> >> ip a
> >>
> >> 1: lo:  mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN
> >> link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
> >> inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
> >> inet6 ::1/128 scope host
> >>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> >> 2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
> >> state UP qlen 1000
> >> link/ether 00:1f:29:7f:4e:a5 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> >> inet 192.168.0.101/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0
> >> inet6 fe80::21f:29ff:fe7f:4ea5/64 scope link
> >>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> >> 3: usb0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
> >> state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
> >> link/ether 6e:6d:ef:52:f2:5b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> >>
> >> ip r
> >>
> >> 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.0.101
> >> 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0  scope link  metric 1000
> >> default via 192.168.0.100 dev eth0
> >>
> >> >
> >> > What OS on the host?  (well, OS presumably is 'linux' if you're able
> > to
> >> > use
> >> > ifconfig usb0, but what distro?)
> >>
> >> Debian Lenny
> >>
> >> cu,
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> _

Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Fwiw, I'm now experimenting with slightly less aggressive settings for
noise reduction and echo cancelling, since some users complained about
audio being too choppy.

Trying now with:

c.append( '@ST="-26"' ) # audio side tone: set to minimum
c.append( "%N028B" ) # Long Echo Cancellation: active, -6db
c.append( "%N0125" ) # Noise reduction: active, -6db


Does that make it worse or better?

:M:


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Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner

[Joel Newkirk]

Well crap, sorry about that.  It's supposed to be "-j ACCEPT", not just
'ACCEPT'.  "-j" means 'jump' and is followed by a chain name or target, in
this case ACCEPT telling the firewall to permit matching traffic.  I'm
guessing your FORWARD chain is either empty with a policy of ACCEPT, or
some form of 'allow all' rule, so the traffic gets through without those
additions.  ;)

j

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:21:34 +0200, "Nicolas Linkert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Great! This works for me. The only thing I had to change were the
> "ACCEPT" commands since they were not accepted.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> cu,
> Nick
> 
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:28:58 -0400, "Joel Newkirk"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> Sorry, I'd expected to be in front of a computer earlier to respond...
>>
>> >> 3: usb0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
>> >> state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
>> >> link/ether 6e:6d:ef:52:f2:5b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>>
>> >> 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.0.101
>> >> 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0  scope link  metric 1000
>> >> default via 192.168.0.100 dev eth0
>>
>> That's a problem right there - the state of the interface is 'UNKNOWN',
>> it
>> has no IP, and (hand in hand with no IP) there's no route out usb0 for
>> anything.  However, since you later said you can SSH to the FR with
>> different settings, I'm assuming this to have been a temporary glitch...
>>
>>
>> Try these on for size, in /etc/network/interfaces on the host:
>>
>> auto usb0
>> iface usb0 inet static
>> address 192.168.0.201
>> netmask 255.255.255.252
>> post-up iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
>> 192.168.0.202
>> post-up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>> post-up iptables -I FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 ACCEPT
>> post-up iptables -I FORWARD -d 192.168.0.202 ACCEPT
>> pre-down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
>> 192.168.0.202
>> pre-down iptables -D FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 ACCEPT
>> pre-down iptables -D FORWARD -d 192.168.0.202 ACCEPT
>>
>>
>> And on the FreeRunner:
>>
>> auto usb0
>> iface usb0 inet static
>> address 192.168.0.202
>> netmask 255.255.255.252
>> network 192.168.0.200
>> gateway 192.168.0.201
>> up echo "nameserver 192.168.0.100" | resolvconf -a usb0
>> down resolvconf -d usb0
>>
>>
>> NOTE: This uses 192.168.0.201 on the host, not 192.168.0.200.  This lets
>> us
>> clip it down to a /30 subnet, two IPs plus network and broadcast.  The
>> above works for me (with slight variations regarding nameserver and nat
>> rules) on three different Ubuntu boxes and at least one Mandriva.
>> Depending on the image/distro on the Freerunner, the two 'resolvconf'
>> lines
>> may not work out, it may instead need 'up echo "nameserver
> 192.168.0.100"
>> >/etcf/resolv.conf' and no 'down', or even other approaches to setting
>> nameservers.  Using resolvconf is the 'right' way with 2007/2008
> distros,
>> AFAICS.
>>
>> j
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:43:59 +0200, "Nicolas Linkert"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > The following entry in /etc/network/interfaces allows me to log into
> the
>> > FR - but then I have no access to the internet ...
>> >
>> > # The primary network interface
>> > allow-hotplug eth0
>> > iface eth0 inet static
>> >address 192.168.0.101
>> >netmask 255.255.255.0
>> >network 192.168.0.0
>> >broadcast 192.168.0.255
>> >gateway 192.168.0.100
>> >dns-nameservers 192.168.0.100
>> >dns-search gamma.vz
>> >
>> > auto usb0
>> > iface usb0 inet static
>> > address 192.168.0.200
>> > netmask 255.255.255.0
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:28:21 +0200, "Nicolas Linkert"
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:53:32 -0400, "Joel Newkirk"
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> >> > On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:42:41 +0200, "Nicolas Linkert"
>> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > > Hi,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > no, that does not change anything.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
>> >> > > route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > >> > Host IP:  192.168.0.101
>> >> > >> > DNS:  192.168.0.100
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > On the host I do as root:
>> >> > >> > ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
>> >> > >> > ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > No route to host ... ?
>> >> >
>> >> > can you post the output of "ip a" and "ip r" on the host?
>> >>
>> >> ip a
>> >>
>> >> 1: lo:  mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN
>> >> link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
>> >> inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
>> >> inet6 ::1/128 scope host
>> >>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
>> >> 2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
>> >> state UP qlen 1000
>> >> link/ether 00:1f:29:7f:4e:a5 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>> >> inet 192.168.0.101/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0
>> >> inet6 fe80::21f:29ff:fe7f:4ea5/64 scope link
>> >>valid_lft forev

Re: 2.6.26 kernel testing?

[Petr Vanek]

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:11:12 +1300
Glen Ogilvie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(GO) wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Does anyone have some pre-built 2.6.26 kernels that could be tested?
>I am wondering if I should compile something from the git kernel
>tree.  I don't care if wifi does not work, but need something that
>will suspend and resume.
>
>Been using: uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin but still get
>WSOD on resume.
>
>Glen
>


Glen,

i will happily test run 2.6.26 and sacrifice wlan for getting rid of
WSOD thing for the time being. If you get it compiled, let us know
please,


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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[Joel Newkirk]

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:52:13 +1100, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:52:00 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> babbled:
> 

>> So this is a little utility I wrote [1] to check the frequency of each
>> word and writing back a new dictionary with frequency data.
>> 
>> To run it you need php-cli (I guess v5 or above), set the given options,
>> do "php words-popularity.php" and wait the work to be finished! :P
>> 
>> It could be a long work, but it should give good results.
> 
> yes. it would. who wants to run it? :)

Ummm.  Nice try, but see the results below.  I ran this remotely on my
workstation at work, since it's right on a 20mb fiber...  Hopefully I'll be
allowed to use Google again by the time I get in to work tomorrow... ;)

j


 [1328/98568]
 [1329/98568]
 [1330/98568]
Unknown Popularity of Aeneid's [1331/98568]
Unknown Popularity of Aeolus [1332/98568]
Unknown Popularity of Aeolus's [1333/98568]
Unknown Popularity of aeon [1334/98568]
Unknown Popularity of aeon's [1335/98568]
Unknown Popularity of aeons [1336/98568]
Unknown Popularity of aerate [1337/98568]
Unknown Popularity of aerated [1338/98568]
Unknown Popularity of aerates [1339/98568]
Unknown Popularity of aerating [1340/98568]
Unknown Popularity of aeration [1341/98568]
Unknown Popularity of aeration's [1342/98568]
Unknown Popularity of aerator [1343/98568]
Unknown Popularity of aerator's [1344/98568]
Unknown Popularity of aerators [1345/98568]

After which browsing to www.google.com results in:
Google
   Error

  We're
sorry...

 ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer
virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we
 can't process your request right now.

 We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon.
In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or
 network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or
spyware remover to make sure that your systems are free of
 viruses and other spurious software.

 If you're continually receiving this error, you may be able to resolve
the problem by deleting your Google cookie and
 revisiting Google. For browser-specific instructions, please consult
your browser's online support center.

 If your entire network is affected, more information is available in
the Google Web Search Help Center.

 We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on
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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[The Rasterman]

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 02:07:38 -0400 Joel Newkirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:52:13 +1100, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:52:00 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > babbled:
> > 
> 
> >> So this is a little utility I wrote [1] to check the frequency of each
> >> word and writing back a new dictionary with frequency data.
> >> 
> >> To run it you need php-cli (I guess v5 or above), set the given options,
> >> do "php words-popularity.php" and wait the work to be finished! :P
> >> 
> >> It could be a long work, but it should give good results.
> > 
> > yes. it would. who wants to run it? :)
> 
> Ummm.  Nice try, but see the results below.  I ran this remotely on my
> workstation at work, since it's right on a 20mb fiber...  Hopefully I'll be
> allowed to use Google again by the time I get in to work tomorrow... ;)

hmm. looks like we need a botnet to distribute the queries! :) each bot does
1000 of them... :)

> j
> 
> 
>  [1328/98568]
>  [1329/98568]
>  [1330/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of Aeneid's [1331/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of Aeolus [1332/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of Aeolus's [1333/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of aeon [1334/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of aeon's [1335/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of aeons [1336/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of aerate [1337/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of aerated [1338/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of aerates [1339/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of aerating [1340/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of aeration [1341/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of aeration's [1342/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of aerator [1343/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of aerator's [1344/98568]
> Unknown Popularity of aerators [1345/98568]
> 
> After which browsing to www.google.com results in:
> Google
>Error
> 
>   We're
> sorry...
> 
>  ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer
> virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we
>  can't process your request right now.
> 
>  We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon.
> In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or
>  network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or
> spyware remover to make sure that your systems are free of
>  viruses and other spurious software.
> 
>  If you're continually receiving this error, you may be able to resolve
> the problem by deleting your Google cookie and
>  revisiting Google. For browser-specific instructions, please consult
> your browser's online support center.
> 
>  If your entire network is affected, more information is available in
> the Google Web Search Help Center.
> 
>  We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on
> Google.
> 
>  To continue searching, please type the characters you see below:
> 
> 
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> have images enabled. Please enable images in order to proceed.
> 
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