Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?
El lun, 13-10-2008 a las 11:58 -0400, Joel Newkirk escribió: > On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:48:50 +0200, David Samblas > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > El lun, 13-10-2008 a las 00:42 -0400, Joel Newkirk escribió: > > >> Which one way or another goes to highlight that Qi - as it stands now > > and > >> from what I understand of the intention for it - will not be usable for > > a > >> dual-boot setup. Not a problem actually, as NOR uBoot will let us > > achieve > >> that, and I realize that the common target case will be a user who wants > > a > >> smartphone, not a multiboot development platform. I just realized that > > the > >> default behavior of Qi being uSD and the default behavior of uBoot being > >> NAND means you could place 'primary' on uSD and 'secondary' in NAND, and > >> booting to secondary is just two-step - NOR boot with aux+power, then > > power > >> again to boot. Don't you love that feeling when things start to click? > > :) > >> Now I have Base/Empty firing up by default, Raster+FSO if I use aux to > >> invoke NOR Uboot. > >> > >> j > > I'm not a kernel hacker only a user, but as I undertand It would be > > better to invert that behaviour, better to primary boot from NAND and > > then secondary boot on uSD, a normal user must boot his phone even > > without any uSD. Normal boot to nand, and if you want to boot from > > anything else do something else. It's a pitty than NOR uboot doesn't > > allow to boot from uSD by default, but this fault does't have to change > > the logical behaviour NAND is attached to the phone and is less likely > > blow up the hole S.O. sa mistake by a normal user putting some music in > > his uSD card trough a 2.0 Card reader :) seekeng for some free space > > If there's NO uSD, or the uSD doesn't contain a folder named 'boot' on the > first partition, with a file named 'uImage.bin', then Qi will boot from > NAND. It's just if you WANT a dual-boot environment that currently Qi > doesn't let you do that simply. As Andy noted in his response to that > post, however, he plans for Qi to support user selection of boot, it just > doesn't do it at this time. Until it offers the ability to select, then > the present behavior (check for kernel on uSD, else use NAND) makes more > sense that always going to NAND and only NAND. > > j OK that make sense , I have not fully understood Qi boot mechanism thaks for your explanation Joel :) > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default OM settings, no lan messed up
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Rodney Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The main problem is, I cannot ssh into the OM to make any changes. > > I cannot ping the OM, using 192.168.1.0 / 192.168.0.0 > > In the default setup, there is no "shell" icon anymore, so I am unable to > see what the IP address really is. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > You may have set the FR properly but it won't route properly from the desktop side. Try adding a host route on the desktop ifconfig add -host 192.168.1.20 dev usb0 You might be able to reach it then. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtExtended call forwarding
I'm sitting here playing with QtExtended right now and see that the call forwarding settings has a phone number filled out already. The phone number is 191742004 with the last two numbers being 98 (broke up the number, so google doesn't index it). Does anyone know what this is about? -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New rotate version
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Oscar Casamitjana <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > Hi all > here you have my rotate version. > This version is based in Chris Ball's rotate, but with some changes: > > * The adquisition engine is encapsulated in a thread. > * Before rotating screen, it ensures two seconds for the new position > * Backlight turns black while screen rotating. > > Thanks Oscar, I tried it but I found these bugs in the first 30 seconds of use. 1) inverted the screen was improperly split left and right 2) rotate seemed to stop working completely. killed it and restarted it. 3) on returning to normal orientation the x dimension was right but the y dimension remained from the previous rotation. leaving my viewport as a square. enchancements: 1) can the blanking be faster ? Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?
Andy Green ha scritto: > Cédric Berger wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 09:34, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> What's planned for partition selection is you will in future be able to >>> press AUX while Qi is pulling in the kernel it selected to abort the >>> load and move to next usable partition, so I think multiboot will work >>> out fine if you can remember which "n'th" rootfs it is you want... >>> hopefully only a problem for people with >2. >>> >> But in this case will you have visual feedback on this partition switch ? > > We can flash an LED to acknowledge we skipped that partition, so you can > see what's happening. > >> For more complex multi-boots, could the solution be a partition >> booting a simple kernel and show a multi-boot screen, from were you >> can ask Qi to re-boot on a given other partition ? (or even simply >> continue with already loaded kernel if wanted) > > Yes... it's also discussed, a recovery / backup kernel and rootfs that > can execute other kernels. There are big advantages for us in a normal > Linux implementation that is actually maintainable from single source > tree for kernel and common packageset for the rootfs associated with it. > Networking can be up so you can ssh in to rescue or update partitions, > etc, all the normal Linux goodness comes pretty much for free then. > > But in general it will be slower than clicking AUX if all you want is to > select another partition. I know but I'd agree on adding a menu for switching partions... Actually I'm using the u-boot with a multi-boot and I'm very happy with it (pratically I've made 6 partitions in my µSD, in the first one I keep the kernels named with uImage-.bin and in the others I've put the needed rootfs; so I can run easily lots of distros), but if Qi could improve the performances I'd like to get the same also without u-Boot. Is all this possible/planned? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New rotate version
Angus Ainslie wrote: > > 1) inverted the screen was improperly split left and right > 2) rotate seemed to stop working completely. killed it and restarted it. > 3) on returning to normal orientation the x dimension was right but > the y dimension remained from the previous rotation. leaving my > viewport as a square. > 4) it eats 95% CPU ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] matchbox-keyboard font
Davide Scaini wrote: > i just hope that very soon will be possible to use something like the > illume keybord... this matchbox-kb is pretty unusable... but works ;-) Finally... How much is far the e build for debian? :P Btw, is there anyway to get the matchbox kb auto-popup? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[om2008] stable vs testing vs unstable
Hmmm ... I just noticed that stable (Om200.8) has surpassed testing in versioning. I now backup all my opk files per repo for easy switching but shouldn't testing at least be equal to or greater than stable? And what's the deal with unstable ... it doen't even look like a repo? For anyone else out there who is on testing and can't read their messages ... switch to stable and it will update :) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: console command history
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:26:10 +0100, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 13 Oct 2008, at 22:02, Joel Newkirk wrote: > >> How can I enlarge the console command history? I'm used to being >> able to >> peruse hundreds of lines of previous commands in bash, the limit to >> ~16 >> lines is maddening. > > Isn't it in .bashrc or .bash_profile? > > Stroller. it is for bash, but OM distros are using an sh/ash replacement builtin to busybox. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: console command history
On Tuesday 14 October 2008 12:17:06 Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:21:18 +0200, Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you use bash on OM than do it the same way how it is done in a normal > > linux pc. You must "export HISTFILESIZE=1000" to set the number of lines > > saved to 1000. Just put this command in an adequate file to be executed > > at start like profile or bashrc. > > > > Ciao, > > Rainer > > Indeed, but how then do I tell it to use bash instead of ash for Terminal > and ssh? vi /etc/passwd? Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: console command history
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:21:18 +0200, Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you use bash on OM than do it the same way how it is done in a normal > linux pc. You must "export HISTFILESIZE=1000" to set the number of lines > saved to 1000. Just put this command in an adequate file to be executed > at start like profile or bashrc. > > Ciao, > Rainer Indeed, but how then do I tell it to use bash instead of ash for Terminal and ssh? j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default OM settings, no lan messed up
On Tuesday 14 October 2008 06:14:35 Joel Newkirk wrote: > PS: ipcalc is a handy tool... > > $ ipcalc -b 192.168.1.20/29 > Address: 192.168.1.20 > Netmask: 255.255.255.248 = 29 > Wildcard: 0.0.0.7 > => > Network: 192.168.1.16/29 > HostMin: 192.168.1.17 > HostMax: 192.168.1.22 > Broadcast: 192.168.1.23 > Hosts/Net: 6 Class C, Private Internet But you'll lose those awfully useful on-demand binary skillz :) Seriously though, nice tool. Would have been really handy when I was bothering with cisco, if only to give to the people looking over my shoulder ;). I swear they sit around trying to figure out how to confuse people as much as possible. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: console command history
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:29:59 +1100, "Sarton O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 14 October 2008 12:17:06 Joel Newkirk wrote: >> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:21:18 +0200, Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> > If you use bash on OM than do it the same way how it is done in a > normal >> > linux pc. You must "export HISTFILESIZE=1000" to set the number of > lines >> > saved to 1000. Just put this command in an adequate file to be > executed >> > at start like profile or bashrc. >> > >> > Ciao, >> > Rainer >> >> Indeed, but how then do I tell it to use bash instead of ash for > Terminal >> and ssh? > > vi /etc/passwd? > > Sarton (Ok, I'll go sit in the corner for five minutes wearing the stupid hat... I already knew that from desktop/server context but for some reason my brain just didn't make the connection...) Thanks. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default OM settings, no lan messed up
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:57:07 +1100, "Sarton O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 14 October 2008 06:14:35 Joel Newkirk wrote: >> PS: ipcalc is a handy tool... >> >> $ ipcalc -b 192.168.1.20/29 >> Address: 192.168.1.20 >> Netmask: 255.255.255.248 = 29 >> Wildcard: 0.0.0.7 >> => >> Network: 192.168.1.16/29 >> HostMin: 192.168.1.17 >> HostMax: 192.168.1.22 >> Broadcast: 192.168.1.23 >> Hosts/Net: 6 Class C, Private Internet > > But you'll lose those awfully useful on-demand binary skillz :) > > Seriously though, nice tool. Would have been really handy when I was > bothering > with cisco, if only to give to the people looking over my shoulder ;). I > swear > they sit around trying to figure out how to confuse people as much as > possible. > > Sarton sort of like riding a bicycle... My first computer I programmed via a hex keypad, 1802 machine code (no assembler, no mnemonics, just hex opcodes), so at the start of things I became (painfully) familiar with hex<->dec<->bin relationships, masks, and binary arithmetic. (I still see things like 'a*8' while my brain thinks 'a<<3') For the people over your shoulder you should omit the '-b' flag, which tells it to skip the bitwise output... ;) $ ipcalc 192.168.1.20/29 Address: 192.168.1.20 1100.10101000.0001.00010 100 Netmask: 255.255.255.248 = 29 ...1 000 Wildcard: 0.0.0.7 ...0 111 => Network: 192.168.1.16/29 1100.10101000.0001.00010 000 HostMin: 192.168.1.17 1100.10101000.0001.00010 001 HostMax: 192.168.1.22 1100.10101000.0001.00010 110 Broadcast: 192.168.1.23 1100.10101000.0001.00010 111 Hosts/Net: 6 Class C, Private Internet Seems most people who don't understand binary all the way down to their souls can't even see the dotted quads, their eyes and brains get stuck on the 'big' block of binary. For those interested in achieving understanding of netmasks it can be helpful to generate a few of these for familiar networks and look at the binary portion... The meaning of a /29 netmask for example is pretty clear above. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: console command history
On Tuesday 14 October 2008 13:21:21 Joel Newkirk wrote: > > vi /etc/passwd? > > > > Sarton > > (Ok, I'll go sit in the corner for five minutes wearing the stupid hat... > I already knew that from desktop/server context but for some reason my > brain just didn't make the connection...) > > Thanks. Hehe, don't stress :) I grew up on BSD (94/95) which has always been pretty baron so for a good long while before most of the automation existed, I did everything by hand and then continued doing it even when I didn't have to :S chsh was the first thing I checked for though :) Everything is so abstract now it's easy to forget the bottom layer. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: console command history
On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 22:21 -0400, Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:29:59 +1100, "Sarton O'Brien" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 14 October 2008 12:17:06 Joel Newkirk wrote: > >> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:21:18 +0200, Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > If you use bash on OM than do it the same way how it is done in a > > normal > >> > linux pc. You must "export HISTFILESIZE=1000" to set the number of > > lines > >> > saved to 1000. Just put this command in an adequate file to be > > executed > >> > at start like profile or bashrc. > >> > > >> > Ciao, > >> > Rainer > >> > >> Indeed, but how then do I tell it to use bash instead of ash for > > Terminal > >> and ssh? > > > > vi /etc/passwd? > > > > Sarton > > (Ok, I'll go sit in the corner for five minutes wearing the stupid hat... > I already knew that from desktop/server context but for some reason my > brain just didn't make the connection...) > > Thanks. > > j > be aware that doing this used to break X and other things during boot-up - not sure why but "funny things happened ..." Only work around I found was to log in as usual, and type "bash" at the command prompt. Be interesting to see if this is still the case ... BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
Hi Tobias, Great job. I am very glad to see a web site like this. I have two questions. 1. Do you want to create a repository, and so that opkg can access your repository directory? You may want to see http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/ If your repository is ready to go, people can create packages pointing to your web site, and then download packages from your repository via opkg directly. 2. IMHO www.opkg.org seems a little bit general, It may confuse some users. Do your consider a more precise name? Cheers, Tick On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:30:06AM +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'm proud to announce my newest project: http://www.opkg.org > > It's a simple database of available *.ipk-Packages. > I know, some time ago there was someone other who planned to do > something like this. But it's been a long time since then. I don't think > they are working on it anymore... > It just confirms what everyone is saying about Openmoko: Everything is > unfinished and takes forever to be done. In my opinion that's not true. > All of you do a really great job. So I wanted to give my contribution to > the community and build that Homepage. > > There is a lot to improve on the site. These are (some of) my targets: > > * add Search-Box > * improve «Package-Detail»-Screen > * improve Home-Screen > > Everybody is able to post new packages or edit packages. Just register > and log in. It would be great if all of you would help getting the > database populated. I added just a few packages, but I know there are more! > > If you find any kind of bugs on the page (espacially spelling mistakes) > feel free to contact me. My first language is German - not English (I > think you realized that lines ago...). I'm also happy if you send me > your ideas and opinions! > > Thank you. > > Regards, > Tobias > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default OM settings, no lan messed up
On Tuesday 14 October 2008 13:38:45 Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:57:07 +1100, "Sarton O'Brien" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 14 October 2008 06:14:35 Joel Newkirk wrote: > >> PS: ipcalc is a handy tool... > >> > >> $ ipcalc -b 192.168.1.20/29 > >> Address: 192.168.1.20 > >> Netmask: 255.255.255.248 = 29 > >> Wildcard: 0.0.0.7 > >> => > >> Network: 192.168.1.16/29 > >> HostMin: 192.168.1.17 > >> HostMax: 192.168.1.22 > >> Broadcast: 192.168.1.23 > >> Hosts/Net: 6 Class C, Private Internet > > > > But you'll lose those awfully useful on-demand binary skillz :) > > > > Seriously though, nice tool. Would have been really handy when I was > > bothering > > with cisco, if only to give to the people looking over my shoulder ;). I > > swear > > they sit around trying to figure out how to confuse people as much as > > possible. > > > > Sarton > > sort of like riding a bicycle... My first computer I programmed via a hex > keypad, 1802 machine code (no assembler, no mnemonics, just hex opcodes), > so at the start of things I became (painfully) familiar with > hex<->dec<->bin relationships, masks, and binary arithmetic. (I still see > things like 'a*8' while my brain thinks 'a<<3') I agree, though I haven't ridden that bicycle for a very long time. Although I've done some programming using hex on the z80s, I was always very fluent at deriving binary logic and determining boolean expressions by briefly looking at a diagram. So shuffling binary around in my head was never an issue, but the base 10 conversion was. Hex <-> binary was always easier but most likely due to the typically quad/octal nature of computing. > For the people over your shoulder you should omit the '-b' flag, which > tells it to skip the bitwise output... ;) > > $ ipcalc 192.168.1.20/29 > Address: 192.168.1.20 1100.10101000.0001.00010 100 > Netmask: 255.255.255.248 = 29 ...1 000 > Wildcard: 0.0.0.7 ...0 111 > => > Network: 192.168.1.16/29 1100.10101000.0001.00010 000 > HostMin: 192.168.1.17 1100.10101000.0001.00010 001 > HostMax: 192.168.1.22 1100.10101000.0001.00010 110 > Broadcast: 192.168.1.23 1100.10101000.0001.00010 111 > Hosts/Net: 6 Class C, Private Internet Yep, this program would have saved me a lot of time ;) > Seems most people who don't understand binary all the way down to their > souls can't even see the dotted quads, their eyes and brains get stuck on > the 'big' block of binary. You mean octal yeah? > For those interested in achieving understanding of netmasks it can be > helpful to generate a few of these for familiar networks and look at the > binary portion... The meaning of a /29 netmask for example is pretty clear > above. I second that. Anyone who doesn't completely understand what they are doing when they alter routes, IPs and netmasks should make sure to investigate further. Worst case you might light up an area of your brain that hasn't seen activity in a while :) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtExtended call forwarding
> I'm sitting here playing with QtExtended right now and see that the call > forwarding settings has a phone number filled out already. The phone number > is 191742004 with the last two numbers being 98 (broke up the number, so > google doesn't index it). Does anyone know what this is about? > Just had a look at mine, it is automatically set to the voicemail of my carrier (+61411000212 - Virgin Australia) Cheers, Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[om2008.9/FDOM] Charging or Long Power On = Crashing?
I'm working on a theory of prolonged charging leading to the crashing of the Freerunner in FDOM/om2008.9. I'm not saying it's definite, but I have had some experiences of my phone ending up in kernel panic and where the screen would not turn on after overnight charging without suspension. Here is the scenario: I plug in my Freerunner to the wall adaptor, to let it charge overnight. I do not use suspension, but I do have the screen turn off automatically. I sometimes don't unplug/plug it in again to make the charging indicator (red light and the charging symbol on the screen) appear. In the morning (6+ hours later), the phone will be in kernel panic or the device will be on without the screen (calls and things get through, monitor does not come on). The questionable theory: Is there any chance that, since the kernel is not aware that the device is charging (even though the device still charges to full), will create crashes or reverse the loop of the battery indicators? I'm aware that this is a smart battery which can dish out statistics. If the FR does not know that it is charging, but the power is going up, I might think that that may cause problems with the logging and power handling from the kernel. Just a theory, but I really want to get rid of kernel panics and crashes after not shutting down for a long time. Any other theories floating out there that we might want to consider? -Boris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtExtended call forwarding
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Tim Erwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sitting here playing with QtExtended right now and see that the call >> forwarding settings has a phone number filled out already. The phone number >> is 191742004 with the last two numbers being 98 (broke up the number, so >> google doesn't index it). Does anyone know what this is about? >> > > Just had a look at mine, it is automatically set to the voicemail of my > carrier (+61411000212 - Virgin Australia) > > Must be on the SIM. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Tobias Kündig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Thank you for reporting this bug. > It has been fixed. > > Dear Tobias, Regardless of many contrarian and critical opinions posted here, I think you have done a great job in creating the site and giving people a quick way to look up available applications. You own the opkg.com domain, and if someone has a problem with it, they should have thought of buying it up first. I am sure of your intentions, and I know they are good. If people bother you too much about fragmenting and possible malware and such, you can just provide two links to each software: one to the package on your site, and one to the 'official' repository. You can also put in a disclaimer, and tell the paranoid to use the official package. Do not be discouraged by negative opinions. The most marginal are usually the most strident. And for sake of ease, please put the category list on top. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
