Re: Fennec on Openmoko

[Xavier Cremaschi]

Do not forget dillo ;)

http://www.dillo.org/
http://misc.andi.de1.cc/dillo/dillo_2.0-r0_armv4t.ipk


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Re: Weekly Engineering News 41/2008: back to the basics

[t m]

Seems like everybody is cheering the new strategy. I hope we will see some
results in the near future.
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Re: Weekly Engineering News 41/2008: back to the basics

[Andreas Wallin]

This seems lika a very very good decision,

A core develop/engineering team focus to deliver a rubust platform,

User applications then is up to all others to develop...



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> some results in the near future.
> 
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udev usb0 control

[Joel Newkirk]

OK, the only way I've been able to find to automatically bring usb0 up and
down with USB insertion, WHILE IN DEVICE MODE, is to trigger off
subsystem=="power_supply".  (with frameworkd, will be able to trigger via
dbus signal /org/freesmartphone/Device/Input
(dbus.String(u'USB'), dbus.String(u'released') - but will just udev method
work for all current FR images?) It seems that udev doesn't register a
subsystem net event for unplug when the FR is in device mode.

Does anyone have a better idea?

I've got it bringing usb0 down on unplug, and on plug-in it tries to bring
usb0 back up, waits 5 secs, sees if the peer is reachable, and brings usb0
back down if not.  Sub-optimal, IMHO, but it's working.

j



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Re: udev usb0 control

[TeXitoi]

Joel Newkirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Does anyone have a better idea?

ethernet link should be a better idea.

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Pingus ported

[Sander van Grieken]

Hi All,

I'm glad to report that I've managed to port Pingus, the free lemmings clone, 
for OE based distributions (it was already available on Debian).

I have submitted the bitbake recipe and patches to Openembedded, but there's 
no need to wait while these trickle down the various branches. I have created 
the binaries for you.

On both FSO and OM2008.8 you can install 

http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/libboost-signals1.33.1_1.33.1-r3_armv4t.ipk
http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/pingus_0.7.2-r0_armv4t.ipk

Also libpng3 must be installed, but I haven't been able to get the dependency 
right, so you'll need to do that manually.

Note: for OM2008.8, you need to have the testing feeds to get recent enough 
SDL packages.

more information is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Sander

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Re: Fennec on Openmoko

[Xavier Cremaschi]

http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=fennec

Just to share, I don't know if it is usable 'as if'.


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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

[Brock]

On 2008.10.17.11.40, C?dric Berger wrote:
| ex : to put phone in pocket. At the very least I must be able to immediatly
| lock screen, but it should then be able to automatically go to sleep even if
| screen keeps being touched (in pocket...). Wait time before blanking screen
|  / going to suspend should also be decreased when screen is locked.

I noticed that my phone is always upside-down when in my pocket... so I
was thinking that I'd have it suspend when upside-down :)

--Brock


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Re: Fennec on Openmoko

[Vincent MEURISSE]

> Just to share, I don't know if it is usable 'as if'.

It seems so : 
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/mozilla-fennec-browser-running-openmoko-gta01-phone
(but I didn't try it)

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Re: Fennec on Openmoko

[Clemens Kirchgatterer]

Xavier Cremaschi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Do not forget dillo ;)

may i bring to your attantion also:

http://www.netsurf-browser.org/

IMHO the best free small browser so far.

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Re: Pingus ported

[Patrick Beck]

Hello,

i have installed the needed packages and i get this message when i try
to start pingus

--
Welcome to Pingus 0.7.2!

data path:   /usr/bin/../share/pingus/data/
language:English (en)
font encoding:   iso-8859-1
sound support:   enabled
music support:   enabled
resolution:  800x600
fullscreen:  disabled

Unable to set video mode: No video mode large enough for 800x600

--

How can i change the resolution?

Thanks for the port.

with kind regards

Patrick



Am Samstag, den 18.10.2008, 16:06 +0200 schrieb Sander van Grieken:
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm glad to report that I've managed to port Pingus, the free lemmings
> clone, for OE based distributions (it was already available on
> Debian).
> 
> I have submitted the bitbake recipe and patches to Openembedded, but
> there's no need to wait while these trickle down the various branches.
> I have created the binaries for you.
> 
> On both FSO and OM2008.8 you can install 
> 
> http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/libboost-signals1.33.1_1.33.1-r3_armv4t.ipk
> 
> http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/pingus_0.7.2-r0_armv4t.ipk
> 
> Also libpng3 must be installed, but I haven't been able to get the
> dependency right, so you'll need to do that manually.
> 
> Note: for OM2008.8, you need to have the testing feeds to get recent
> enough SDL packages.
> 
> more information is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Sander
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Qtopia 4.3.3

[Hypnotize]

Lorn, thx for the new Qtopia 4.3.3 image that is much more stable except
when I am trying to make a call (qpe just restarts).

Can you please make a new image with a fix for that to?:)

-Morten
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Re: Pingus ported

[Tobias Kündig]

You have to rotate the screen to landscape.

Look here for more information:
http://www.opkg.org/package_27.html

Regards,
Tobias

Patrick Beck schrieb:
> Hello,
>
> i have installed the needed packages and i get this message when i try
> to start pingus
>
> --
> Welcome to Pingus 0.7.2!
> 
> data path:   /usr/bin/../share/pingus/data/
> language:English (en)
> font encoding:   iso-8859-1
> sound support:   enabled
> music support:   enabled
> resolution:  800x600
> fullscreen:  disabled
>
> Unable to set video mode: No video mode large enough for 800x600
>
> --
>
> How can i change the resolution?
>
> Thanks for the port.
>
> with kind regards
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> Am Samstag, den 18.10.2008, 16:06 +0200 schrieb Sander van Grieken:
>   
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm glad to report that I've managed to port Pingus, the free lemmings
>> clone, for OE based distributions (it was already available on
>> Debian).
>>
>> I have submitted the bitbake recipe and patches to Openembedded, but
>> there's no need to wait while these trickle down the various branches.
>> I have created the binaries for you.
>>
>> On both FSO and OM2008.8 you can install 
>>
>> http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/libboost-signals1.33.1_1.33.1-r3_armv4t.ipk
>>
>> http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/pingus_0.7.2-r0_armv4t.ipk
>>
>> Also libpng3 must be installed, but I haven't been able to get the
>> dependency right, so you'll need to do that manually.
>>
>> Note: for OM2008.8, you need to have the testing feeds to get recent
>> enough SDL packages.
>>
>> more information is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Sander
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Re: udev usb0 control

[Joel Newkirk]

I'm sorry, I don't follow.  Sensing ethernet/RNDIS link /should/ be a
better idea, but doesn't work AFAICS with g_ether.

The question is if someone knows of a better way to detect that the USB
plug has been inserted/removed: when in USB device mode (standard state for
Freerunner, at least under 2007.x/2008.x/FDOM/Raster/FSO) udev appears
unable to sense the loss of link on usb0, so we need a reliable means of
automatically bringing up/down usb0 when plugged/unplugged.

j

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> Joel Newkirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>> Does anyone have a better idea?
> 
> ethernet link should be a better idea.
> 
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Re: Qtopia 4.3.3

[Sky Gunning]

Hello
I have the same problem.

I like Qtopia, but the new one just restart's qpe every time i call.

Sky


On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Hypnotize
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Lorn, thx for the new Qtopia 4.3.3 image that is much more stable except
> when I am trying to make a call (qpe just restarts).
>
> Can you please make a new image with a fix for that to?:)
>
> -Morten
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Which widget toolkit to use

[member kamituel]

Hello everyone,
at first I wanted to say hello to you, guys, I've recently bought one
of FreeRunner phones
and I'm really impressed. You've all done a great job, congratulations!

My problem is that I'm a little bit confused - I was going to start
writing some apps
for the OpenMoko finally, but I don't know which widget tollkit would
be the best.

My first thought was to use Gtk+, because I'm familiar with it and I like it.
But then I noticed, that OpenMoko switched recently to Qt Extended, so
I could go with Qt (I have some experience with Qt also, but not very big).

So, which of this two toolkits (or maybe some different one) should I use
in order to guarantee that my app will run on future OpenMoko releases?

thanks in advance
best regards
Kamil

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Re: Qtopia 4.3.3

[Leonti Bielski]

I can confirm that.
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Re: Pingus ported

[BS - João Vieira]

isn't there a way that the game rotates by itself instead we giving command 
line instructions?


On Saturday 18 October 2008, Tobias Kündig wrote:
> You have to rotate the screen to landscape.
>
> Look here for more information:
> http://www.opkg.org/package_27.html
>
> Regards,
> Tobias
>
> Patrick Beck schrieb:
> > Hello,
> >
> > i have installed the needed packages and i get this message when i try
> > to start pingus
> >
> > --
> > Welcome to Pingus 0.7.2!
> > 
> > data path:   /usr/bin/../share/pingus/data/
> > language:English (en)
> > font encoding:   iso-8859-1
> > sound support:   enabled
> > music support:   enabled
> > resolution:  800x600
> > fullscreen:  disabled
> >
> > Unable to set video mode: No video mode large enough for 800x600
> >
> > --
> >
> > How can i change the resolution?
> >
> > Thanks for the port.
> >
> > with kind regards
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > Am Samstag, den 18.10.2008, 16:06 +0200 schrieb Sander van Grieken:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I'm glad to report that I've managed to port Pingus, the free lemmings
> >> clone, for OE based distributions (it was already available on
> >> Debian).
> >>
> >> I have submitted the bitbake recipe and patches to Openembedded, but
> >> there's no need to wait while these trickle down the various branches.
> >> I have created the binaries for you.
> >>
> >> On both FSO and OM2008.8 you can install
> >>
> >> http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/libboost-signals1.33.1_1.33.1-r3_armv4t.
> >>ipk
> >>
> >> http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/pingus_0.7.2-r0_armv4t.ipk
> >>
> >> Also libpng3 must be installed, but I haven't been able to get the
> >> dependency right, so you'll need to do that manually.
> >>
> >> Note: for OM2008.8, you need to have the testing feeds to get recent
> >> enough SDL packages.
> >>
> >> more information is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Sander
> >>
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[Debian] installer script

[Matthew Lane]

Hey all,

I'm trying to install Debian on the freerunner using the install.sh script.

I keep getting stuck at Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. and 
then my script exits.  I've tried individually installing, but after the 
"install" step the script fails to install.

I've added a u-boot environment boot option to lower the clock to 
10,000,000 as instructed on the bug report here: 
https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743

After booting with this option, without going into suspend, and after 
killing qpe:

DASH_BINSH=false SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all

The script terminates after the partition stage.  I'm using a SanDisk 
8GB uSDHC card.

I'm using the latest GTA02v5_and_up NAND u-boot.

I think I remember seeing some more instructions, but I can't seem to 
find them anywhere.  Anyone have an idea of how to proceed from here?

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Re: Pingus ported

[David Samblas]

just do a simple script in  Duke3d way and call it instead pingus
directly

#!/bin/bash
xrandr -o 1
pingus
xrandr -o 0
El sáb, 18-10-2008 a las 22:16 +0100, BS - João Vieira escribió:
> isn't there a way that the game rotates by itself instead we giving command 
> line instructions?
> 
> 
> On Saturday 18 October 2008, Tobias Kündig wrote:
> > You have to rotate the screen to landscape.

> > Look here for more information:p
> > http://www.opkg.org/package_27.html
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tobias
> >
> > Patrick Beck schrieb:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > i have installed the needed packages and i get this message when i try
> > > to start pingus
> > >
> > > --
> > > Welcome to Pingus 0.7.2!
> > > 
> > > data path:   /usr/bin/../share/pingus/data/
> > > language:English (en)
> > > font encoding:   iso-8859-1
> > > sound support:   enabled
> > > music support:   enabled
> > > resolution:  800x600
> > > fullscreen:  disabled
> > >
> > > Unable to set video mode: No video mode large enough for 800x600
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > How can i change the resolution?
> > >
> > > Thanks for the port.
> > >
> > > with kind regards
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > > Am Samstag, den 18.10.2008, 16:06 +0200 schrieb Sander van Grieken:
> > >> Hi All,
> > >>
> > >> I'm glad to report that I've managed to port Pingus, the free lemmings
> > >> clone, for OE based distributions (it was already available on
> > >> Debian).
> > >>
> > >> I have submitted the bitbake recipe and patches to Openembedded, but
> > >> there's no need to wait while these trickle down the various branches.
> > >> I have created the binaries for you.
> > >>
> > >> On both FSO and OM2008.8 you can install
> > >>
> > >> http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/libboost-signals1.33.1_1.33.1-r3_armv4t.
> > >>ipk
> > >>
> > >> http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/pingus_0.7.2-r0_armv4t.ipk
> > >>
> > >> Also libpng3 must be installed, but I haven't been able to get the
> > >> dependency right, so you'll need to do that manually.
> > >>
> > >> Note: for OM2008.8, you need to have the testing feeds to get recent
> > >> enough SDL packages.
> > >>
> > >> more information is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Sander
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Re: Pingus ported

[Yogiz]

> just do a simple script in  Duke3d way and call it instead pingus
> directly
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> xrandr -o 1
> pingus
> xrandr -o 0

It's quite simple but it would be better if it's incorporated into the
original ipk.

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Re: [Debian] Auxlaunch

[Al Iasid]

Ben, thank you for your comments! I just finished adding a command line
option ("-dms") to add launch items from the Debian Menu System. (Note that
it only uses DMS entries that specify "needs=x11".)

Also, I made changes based on your suggestions. I added a "-right" command
line option to swap the button columns. And, I added code to attempt
full-screen mode. (I'm not sure this works since I run the Matchbox window
manager where every window is full-screen). The AUX button currently unhides
Auxlaunch. I'll investigate causing it to also hide Auxlaunch. As always any
input is welcome!

The top level icons (keyboard activiate, battery level, etc) are displayed
by the really cool "openmoko-panel-plugin" (see link below). It is a very
helpfull tool. Besides power and GSM status, it shows/hides the keyboard and
controls Bluetooth, GPS, and USB. It is essential in Debian, IMHO. I think
there's now a Debian package to help install it.

- alisid

http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/panel-plugin/





On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> thx a lot for this nice app, I think I will leave my idesk conf for it.
>
> Is there a way to :
>  - use right-hand entry for making a menu switcher
>  - making defaults sizes when auxlaunch starts (fullscreen-like ?)
>  - use aux botton for hide/unhide auxlaunch
> and how to get your top level icones (gsm info/battery level/etc)
> please ?
>
>
>
> Le Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:06:30 -0400,
> "Al Iasid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
>
> > I created a wiki page with screenshot [1]. I also enhanced Auxlaunch.
> > It now also acts as a rudimentary, finger-friendly task (window)
> > switcher. This is an optional feature. Comments welcome,
> >
> > Aliasid
> >
> > [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Auxlaunch
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Davide Scaini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > yes a wiki is quite necessary...
> > > d
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Michael Shiloh
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> > >
> > >> This is beautiful. Thanks!
> > >>
> > >> It is very simple, very flexible, and easy to configure.
> > >>
> > >> On top of that, it makes a great example program.
> > >>
> > >> If you have time to write up a wiki page that would be great.
> > >> Otherwise, I'll add it to my list.
> > >>
> > >> Michael
> > >>
> > >> Al Iasid wrote:
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> >
> > >> > I wanted a simple, very finger-friendly app launcher for my
> > >> > Freerunner running Debian. I also wanted to access it using the
> > >> > "Aux" button. So, I mixed code from the PyGTK hello world
> > >> > example with code from matchbox-keyboard-toggle and came up with
> > >> > "Auxlaunch". A screenshot and download link is at
> > >> > aliasid.googlepages.com/auxlaunch
> > >> >  if you're interested.
> > >> >
> > >> > At first, it minimizes and waits for the "Aux" button to be
> > >> > pressed. Then, it pops up full screen and shows 3 large buttons.
> > >> > You use the up and down buttons to change the top button. Press
> > >> > the top button and the selected app starts. You can configure
> > >> > the choices by editing the ".auxlaunchrc" text file. I added an
> > >> > item for "Suspend" ("apm -s"), too.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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Re: Pingus ported

[Michael Zanetti]

On Saturday 18 October 2008 23:38:26 Yogiz wrote:
> > just do a simple script in  Duke3d way and call it instead pingus
> > directly
> >
> > #!/bin/bash
> > xrandr -o 1
> > pingus
> > xrandr -o 0
>
> It's quite simple but it would be better if it's incorporated into the
> original ipk.
>

+1 from me!

If you are using FDOM you can just rotate the screen by using Tap/Untap prior 
to launching pungus. Anyways, installing a script that does it with the ipk 
obviously would be the best thing!

Thank you for porting this. Its really fun playing pingus on the freerunner 
even if the hardware needs to go to its limits :)

A hint for all players out there: don't try moving the screen like you would 
do with a mouse. Instead, tap the location where you wan't to go in the mini-
map. 

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Re: Which widget toolkit to use

[Michael Zanetti]

On Saturday 18 October 2008 21:33:40 member kamituel wrote:
>
> My first thought was to use Gtk+, because I'm familiar with it and I like
> it. But then I noticed, that OpenMoko switched recently to Qt Extended, so
> I could go with Qt (I have some experience with Qt also, but not very big).

No, Openmoko did not switch to Qt Extended. Qt Extended is capable of running 
on the Freerunner (and Neo 1973?) but the primary distribution at the moment 
is 2008.8. The future of Openmoko will be FSO's framework combined with 
2008.8's window manager. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

>
> So, which of this two toolkits (or maybe some different one) should I use
> in order to guarantee that my app will run on future OpenMoko releases?
>

AFAIK gtk and Qt (and some more?) will be supported also in future releases. 
If you need to intagrate with Phone/SMS/PIM just make sure you pick a toolkit 
that is capable of DBus. Have look at FSO for more information on that.

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Re: Which widget toolkit to use

[Robin Paulson]

2008/10/19 Michael Zanetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> My first thought was to use Gtk+, because I'm familiar with it and I like
>> it. But then I noticed, that OpenMoko switched recently to Qt Extended, so
>> I could go with Qt (I have some experience with Qt also, but not very big).
>
> No, Openmoko did not switch to Qt Extended. Qt Extended is capable of running
> on the Freerunner (and Neo 1973?) but the primary distribution at the moment
> is 2008.8. The future of Openmoko will be FSO's framework combined with
> 2008.8's window manager. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

the stock applications for 2008.8 are based on the qtopia
applications, and were written in Qt. the 'desktop' is based on
enlightenment, so etk is also supported

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_Foundation_Libraries#Etk

>> So, which of this two toolkits (or maybe some different one) should I use
>> in order to guarantee that my app will run on future OpenMoko releases?
>>
>
> AFAIK gtk and Qt (and some more?) will be supported also in future releases.
> If you need to intagrate with Phone/SMS/PIM just make sure you pick a toolkit
> that is capable of DBus. Have look at FSO for more information on that.

i think there will be lots more. iirc, there was an announcement that
multiple toolkits, as many as possible, would be supported by the
stock OS

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Re: Fennec on Openmoko

[Xavier Cremaschi]

Vincent MEURISSE a écrit :
>> Just to share, I don't know if it is usable 'as if'.
> 
> It seems so : 
> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/mozilla-fennec-browser-running-openmoko-gta01-phone
> (but I didn't try it)


I installed it using :
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/
but I have a ratio problem, display is quite good with X over ssh and 
default resolution (but I cannot see my mouse pointer) but when I resize 
Fennec the ratio stays the same and display becomes ugly (display is 
ugly too on Freerunner, even in landscape).

Xavier


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Re: Fennec on Openmoko

[Brock]

While sharing -- links2 is quite good, and shows images when you run it
in X. Links are clickable and such of course.

--Brock

On 2008.10.18.10.01, Xavier Cremaschi wrote:
| Do not forget dillo ;)
| 
| http://www.dillo.org/
| http://misc.andi.de1.cc/dillo/dillo_2.0-r0_armv4t.ipk
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[FSO] python-etk lists broken in rev 36540

[yves mahe]

Hi,

last upgrade and last image (18/10/2008) bring me last revision 
(svnr36540) of Enlightenment.

Now, python-etk lists no more appear. Even with sample 15-list.py of 
python-etk-samples. C example etk_test works as usual.

For such problems, where can I warn somebody or fill a ticket ?

Thanks.
Yves Mahe

PS : from where come this svn revision code ? Current revision code of 
Enlightenment's svn seems to be slightly greater (36770)


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netfix testers?

[Joel Newkirk]

I've posted a tarball of my networking fixes to
http://newkirk.us/om/testing/netfix-j1.tar.gz, and a writeup on it at
http://jthinks.com/better-freerunner-networking for anyone interested. Wiki
seemed inappropriate (at least at this time), and the writeup is too long
to post on the ML, IMHO.


What it does:

Default route out eth0 (wifi) if present, out usb0 (via host computer) if
eth0 NOT usable and usb0 IS usable, try ppp0 (GPRS) if both fail.  And have
nameserver lookups transparently adjust to match default route. 


What it is:

Alterations (from slight to severe) of several existing config files and
networking scripts, and several additions.

Not a network manager (it's just config files and shell scripts), it
doesn't bring interfaces up or down, it just ensures that regardless of
which interfaces are up at any given time, which have gone down, which are
just coming up, that default route and DNS nameserver lookups "just work".


I'm hoping for a few good folks willing to test out the changes on various
setups/images to help ensure this works on all.  While you /can/ just untar
to / on the FR and replace everything, I'd suggest doing it by hand, file
by file, so you know what's changed (seven files, in /etc/network/
/etc/udev/ /etc/ppp/ /etc/udhcpc.d/ /etc/resolvconf/ and /etc/resolv.conf
itself) and can backup present files.  (don't rename inside current
folders, though, as some of these are hit by run-parts, meaning every
script in the folder gets executed - put backups in /home/root/netback or
wherever)

It'd also be nice to have extra sets of eyes and brains look this all over
and see what I've missed.

It currently requires that the default route for ppp0 be via the ppp peer,
this should usually be the case I believe. (let me knwo if you see
otherwise on your GPRS)  It's also untested in setups with ethernet or wifi
via USB (host mode) or VPN.  (the former should work, the latter will
probably need alterations of vpn config to play nice)

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Re: Navit questions...

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

KaZeR wrote:
> (i finally ordered and received a Freerunner :) )

Nice, are you a navit dev?
I guess you are (especially looking at your site)... :P

> Lothar Behrens a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> I got installed navit and after some tries I got the correct 
>> germany.bin file by downloading it with a wget -O germany.bin ... 
>> quicklink.
>>
>> For a brief feedback: Very good !
> Thanks :)

I do agree... I've but changed a little the (gtk) interface to make it
fit better to the openmoko, and I've to increase the cursor size (not so
easy to see while driving!

>> If navit needs to calculate a big route, isn't it good to display a 
>> hint window or a status message instead leaving the user unknown and let
>> even the whole GUI stay blocked like with a message box when tapping 
>> on the screen and let the calculations done in a background thread ?
> This issue has been around for some time : 
> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/15
> It used to work, then was removed because code was changed, and it 
> hasn't been reimplemented yet.

I'm waiting for this too

>> It seems that this comes also into play when the position is changed, 
>> thus a recalculation would propably triggered ?
> If you go outside of the planned route, a new route is computed, yes

Well, in my experience it is recalculated but too late imho. Maybe the
voice sinthetizer says it but while driving it's not easy to heard my
freerunner (the speaker is to low to be heard in the traffic or if I'm
listening some music), while often I've to force the refresh from the
interface.

>> I am also a programmer, but this seems to be a untrivial issue for a 
>> newbie for that code.
> If you're willing to help, feel free to contact me or join #navit on 
> freenode. You will get there all the help you should need :)

Nice. I'd like also to ask you a thing about the SDL interface... I've
not tried to compile it in my toolchain/OE build due to the fact that I
had no time to port/compile the missing libraries, but would it work
well in the Freerunner (that has not 3d hardware acceleration)?

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Re: Which widget toolkit to use

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

member kamituel wrote:
> My first thought was to use Gtk+, because I'm familiar with it and I like it.
> But then I noticed, that OpenMoko switched recently to Qt Extended, so
> I could go with Qt (I have some experience with Qt also, but not very big).

The Openmoko distribution is an hybrid system, so you can use any
toolkit you know. Btw imho the best (for performances and for the fact
that the it seems to be the future of stock applications) is efl (etk).

However, if you can programming in Gtk you can use it without any problem.

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Re: Fennec on Openmoko

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Xavier Cremaschi wrote:
> I installed it using :
> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/
> but I have a ratio problem, display is quite good with X over ssh and 
> default resolution (but I cannot see my mouse pointer) but when I resize 
> Fennec the ratio stays the same and display becomes ugly (display is 
> ugly too on Freerunner, even in landscape).

Yeah. That's the problem. The rendering is not so good since the
keyboard pop-ups on each loading and so fennec thinks that you're using
a smaller screen than the one you're using.

However to get better performances (but not completely usable, BTW) with
that package, you should upgrade libpixman to the 0.12 version [1] and
then to have a better aspect (not to make the menus, icons and co. to be
too big) you have to force the screen dpi in the preferences.
To do it use about:config or, after the first run, edit the file:
 /home/root/.mozilla/fennec/*/prefs.js
adding:
 user_pref("layout.css.dpi", 96);
Or lower if you want (72 goes well).

Some days ago I sent some screenshots on scap. Here's an example [2].

Unfortunately I'm too busy to open bugs at mozilla.org, so if is there
anyone with their bugzilla account, please fill some bugs about this!

PS: a swap space/file could help you in your tests :|

[1] http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=libpixman-1-0
[2] http://3v1n0.net/openmoko/fennec-openmoko-optimized-3v1n0.net.png

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Re: Come to wiki to help improving user experience

[Steve Mosher]

Wendy I think we used this in the SF Freerunner user group to vote on things

Check it out

http://www.doodle.ch/main.html

Steve

Cédric Berger wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 13:12, Wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> thanks for your help to collecting all the critical problems, it's helpful.
>> :)
>>
>> For more clear picture, we creat a page in our wiki to clean it up.
>> Please go to this page :
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Improving_user_experience
>>
>> You can vote to those issues or add other critical problems.
>> This will help us to verify the bugs and not lost our focus.
>>
>> Feel free to give us your question and suggestion. :)
>>
> 
> How should we edit this ? (increase number of votes by one when either one
> yes or no column ? How should priority column be handled ?)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Creating a distro on a sim card

[Rodney Myers]

I was pointed to this link to help with my previous problem;



I was wondering if that read, was all that it took to get a  
functioning OS on the SD card, and then the ability to copy onto the  
phone?


Thanks


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[Om2008.9] Example of remapping AUX button for Scummvm

[Bryan DeLuca]

I thought some folks might find this useful.  I have updated the scummvm shell 
script in Om2008.9 stable, to remove the enlightenment keybind to allow for the 
key to be remapped with xmodmap.  I simply followed Raster's instructions on 
using enlightenment_remote.  Hope this helps someone.

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Re: Pingus ported

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Michael Zanetti ha scritto:
> On Saturday 18 October 2008 23:38:26 Yogiz wrote:
>>> just do a simple script in  Duke3d way and call it instead pingus
>>> directly
>>>
>>> #!/bin/bash
>>> xrandr -o 1
>>> pingus
>>> xrandr -o 0
>> It's quite simple but it would be better if it's incorporated into the
>> original ipk.
>>
> 
> +1 from me!

Well, without adding bash wrapper scripts I guess that a exec line like
 Exec=xrandr -o 3; pingus -f -g 640x480 -m -s; xrandr -o 0;
in /usr/share/applications/pingus.desktop is enough.

> If you are using FDOM you can just rotate the screen by using Tap/Untap prior 
> to launching pungus. Anyways, installing a script that does it with the ipk 
> obviously would be the best thing!

Ehm, I've not FDOM... How is exactly working that?

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Re: [Debian] Auxlaunch

[Ben]

Hi,

thx again Aliasid, but I've got troubles with DMS :

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ./auxlaunch -dms
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./auxlaunch", line 246, in 
auxl = AuxLaunch(sys.argv)
  File "./auxlaunch", line 130, in __init__
[dmsLbl, dmsImg, dmsCmd] = load_from_dms()
  File "./auxlaunch", line 228, in load_from_dms
app[pair[0]] = pair[1].strip('"')
IndexError: list index out of range
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ 

And I'm asking if the most interesting way is not to create a
middle-hand for a special menu (configured in .auxlaunchrc).
For exemple, on window :
 - left-hand == choice of menu
 - middle-hand == app of the menu
 - right-hand == switcher

And put in .auxlauchrc, something like :

M1=System App,/opt/myicons/system_apps.png,
M2=Games,/opt/myicons/games.png,
M3=System Fonctions,/opt/myicons/system_fonctions.png,

M1,XTerm,xterm,/usr/share/pixmaps/xterm-color_32x32.xpm,
M1,Rox,rox,/usr/share/rox/images/dirs.png,
M2,codebreaker,codebreaker,/opt/myicons/codebreaker.png,
M3,Suspend,apm -s,gtk-media-pause,
M3,Cancel,(cancel),gtk-cancel,
M3,Quit,(quit),gtk-quit,

Is it possible ? Maybe the 3 divisions will be too much ? And if the
name of the top button division is under the icon ?
I really don't know how to make that, sorry ..

Otherwise I've made a patch for AUX hide/unhide (thx
matchbox-keyboard-toggle) c.f. patch-auxlaunch_hide
Sorry if the code is horrible I really never code in PyGTK and haven't
a lot of time for it, but that works.


Le Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:52:04 -0400,
"Al Iasid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :

> Ben, thank you for your comments! I just finished adding a command
> line option ("-dms") to add launch items from the Debian Menu System.
> (Note that it only uses DMS entries that specify "needs=x11".)
> 
> Also, I made changes based on your suggestions. I added a "-right"
> command line option to swap the button columns. And, I added code to
> attempt full-screen mode. (I'm not sure this works since I run the
> Matchbox window manager where every window is full-screen). The AUX
> button currently unhides Auxlaunch. I'll investigate causing it to
> also hide Auxlaunch. As always any input is welcome!
> 
> The top level icons (keyboard activiate, battery level, etc) are
> displayed by the really cool "openmoko-panel-plugin" (see link
> below). It is a very helpfull tool. Besides power and GSM status, it
> shows/hides the keyboard and controls Bluetooth, GPS, and USB. It is
> essential in Debian, IMHO. I think there's now a Debian package to
> help install it.
> 
> - alisid
> 
> http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/panel-plugin/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > thx a lot for this nice app, I think I will leave my idesk conf for
> > it.
> >
> > Is there a way to :
> >  - use right-hand entry for making a menu switcher
> >  - making defaults sizes when auxlaunch starts (fullscreen-like ?)
> >  - use aux botton for hide/unhide auxlaunch
> > and how to get your top level icones (gsm info/battery level/etc)
> > please ?
> >
> >
> >
> > Le Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:06:30 -0400,
> > "Al Iasid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
> >
> > > I created a wiki page with screenshot [1]. I also enhanced
> > > Auxlaunch. It now also acts as a rudimentary, finger-friendly
> > > task (window) switcher. This is an optional feature. Comments
> > > welcome,
> > >
> > > Aliasid
> > >
> > > [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Auxlaunch
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Davide Scaini
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > yes a wiki is quite necessary...
> > > > d
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Michael Shiloh
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This is beautiful. Thanks!
> > > >>
> > > >> It is very simple, very flexible, and easy to configure.
> > > >>
> > > >> On top of that, it makes a great example program.
> > > >>
> > > >> If you have time to write up a wiki page that would be great.
> > > >> Otherwise, I'll add it to my list.
> > > >>
> > > >> Michael
> > > >>
> > > >> Al Iasid wrote:
> > > >> > Hi,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I wanted a simple, very finger-friendly app launcher for my
> > > >> > Freerunner running Debian. I also wanted to access it using
> > > >> > the "Aux" button. So, I mixed code from the PyGTK hello world
> > > >> > example with code from matchbox-keyboard-toggle and came up
> > > >> > with "Auxlaunch". A screenshot and download link is at
> > > >> > aliasid.googlepages.com/auxlaunch
> > > >> >  if you're
> > > >> > interested.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > At first, it minimizes and waits for the "Aux" button to be
> > > >> > pressed. Then, it pops up full screen and shows 3 large
> > > >> > buttons. You use the up and down buttons to change the top
> > > >> > button. Press the top button and the selected app starts.
> > > >> > You can configure the choices by editing the ".auxlaunchrc"
> > > >> > text file. I added an item for "Susp