Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

[Yogiz]

> I must admit I never tried 2007.2 - but the things I read about it
> suggested that it also wasn't very stable - people recommended using
> Qtopia if you wanted a stable phone experience.
> 
> Does 2007.2 really provide a rock-solid phone/sms experience?
No.

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Re: Is anyone from openmoko working on Bug #1841 (wsod)

[Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano]

Sarton O'Brien ha scritto:
> On Friday 26 September 2008 16:41:49 Petr Vanek wrote:
>> I use testing too but no luck :( , tried opkg upgrade right now and
>> just copied kernel version from wsod freerunner by ssh:
>>
>> kernel-image-2.6.24 -
>> 3:2.6.24+gitr109+a1e97c611253511ffc2d8c45e3e6d6894fa03fa3-r2 -
>>
>> is there any special procedure you follow? boot up with usb in/out?
>> suspend with usb in/out?
> 
> ok ... there may be a few things ...
> 
> I don't know what base system you installed but I used to use the raster 
> image. An opkg upgrade via testing worked but I had major issues. Extracting 
> a 
> fresh asu build and updating had no such issues.
> [snip]

Any news? There were only suspend before that blocked me to use the FR
as a daily phone, solved that after 2 or 3 days now there is another bad
bug, the WSoD. After resuming the phone from a suspend which last more
than 10 or 15 minutes i have the WSoD. I've read that some days ago it
was fixed so i've downloaded and flashed the daily 2008.8-update
(20081020) but with no luck. Is there anything special to do?
I was wondering something like resetting glamo registers with a command
(eg. "echo -n 1 > /sys/glamo/reset_glamo_registers") to put in the
resume scripts or a final solution of this bug.
If i can help providing logs or testing just ask.

Thank you very very much

Pietro

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Re: One more rotate version

[Sarton O'Brien]

Speaking of formatting ... I imagine there's a reply in there somewhere :P

On Tuesday 21 October 2008 01:31:21 DJDAS wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra ha scritto:
>   cite="mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite">
>   On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:33:20PM +0200, Fabian Henze
> wrote: 
>   
> On 20.10.2008 at 12:00:36, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> 
> 
>   On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:37:33AM +0200, Fabian Henze
> wrote: 
>   
> As it seems popular these days to publish a custom
> version of the rotate program, I am also going to do it.
> 
>   
>   heh, you could've just sent a patch :)
>   
> 
> Then I would have to write in your style, which I am not
> used to :p 
>   
>   
> It would be easier than fixing the indent in order to join the patch and
> have you as a co-author :)
>
> I'm not prickly about any style, that's just my default and it's
> manually done.
>
> If someone can cookup indent recipes for converting between one and
> another I'd gladly use it to facilitate integration :)
> 
> "man indent"? ;)
> 
> 
> 


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dillo && security question

[Matthias Apitz]

Hello,

After the lightweight webbrowser dillo was mentioned in the October
Community Update
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_19th,_2008
I was thinking to give it a try on my Fr, but I'm unsure if I should do so;

Who is the author of this port of dillo to arm4? There is no reference
and the only available download site is http://misc.andi.de1.cc/dillo/
which has no information about who did this port. In addition if you
search in Google for the string 'dillo_2.0-r0_armv4t.ipk' you will not
get any other reference or download point, nor any MD5 sum.

So what? Who did this port and is it safe to install this on the FR?
I'm asking because I think it would be easy to write some maleware which
let your FR dial every second some expensive service number or send out
SMS as SPAM. Don't get me wrong, I'm only speaking about the possibility
and that we should know *what* we install on our FR. I'm wrong?

Thx

matthias
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Re: (OM2008.9) Flashback to QTextended

[Paul]

Hi Joel
> OM2008.9 is just a snapshot during the evolution of 2008.8 toward today,
> taken at the time of it's release.  if you install 2008.8 or 2008.9 and do
> "opkg upgrade" you should end up at precisely the same place.
>
> That said, have you tried the most recent 2008.x snapshot?  It's basically
> 2008.8 (or 2008.9 ;) 'opkg upgrade'd  through sometime last night.  
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/
>   

Thanks! I'll have a look at that later today, when I get back from work.

Paul

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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

[Bryan DeLuca]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:40:54 -0400
"Warren Baird" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Not everyone has those problems, I experienced those problems only a
> > couple times myself but not every call. I actually use mine daily and
> > rarely switch back to my old phone. Only on days where battery life is
> > crucial (such as long road trips without a car charger) although even
> > that is rare for me.
> >
> >
> I'm actually quite surprised - are you always reliably able to make and
> receive calls?   My experience has been similar to Fredrik Wendt's - when it
> works, the audio quality is fine - but over a month or so of use as my daily
> phone (mostly 2008.8/9 and a bit of QTExtended), I had many occurances where
> I missed calls because the phone was too slow waking up, and I had at least
> 3 times when the phone got into a strange mode where I couldn't make
> calls...
> 
> I had assumed that this was what everyone was experiencing - but maybe I
> just got a bad unit...
> 
> Warren
> 

I don't think you have a bad unit.  There are poor configurations in the Om2008 
distro that cause problems.  Like qpe indexing everything on your SD Card 
slurping up CPU or having the Illume keyboard disabled.  

Then there are the bugs posted in Harold's blog:

http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/linux/openmoko/index.html

I have the impression that there is still a LOT of low level work to be done 
that can improve the state of things.  Hopefully OM's new direction will yield 
a much better experience.

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[FDOM] charging problem?

[Matthew Lane]

I'm running FDOM and I'm trying to charge off the wall charger, but my 
AUX light doesn't light up, and my battery meter doesn't change to the 
bolt; essentially my phone won't charge.  It will, however, charge from 
the computer.  Is this a known issue?

Also, I have posted three times about the Debian installer script and 
have gotten no replies, does ANYONE know anything about this script 
before I try to personally e-mail the guys that wrote it?

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Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?

[Joel Newkirk]

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:14:28 +0200, "Christ van Willegen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andy,
> 
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If you're interested to visit the "edge" and know how to DFU stuff
>> around with NOR to get yourself in and out of trouble, you can get a
>> "moredrivers" kernel here
>>
>>
>
http://people.openmoko.org/andy/uImage-moredrivers-andy-tracking_2ffb4cc483642df1.bin
> 
> I dfu-util'led this into my 'kernel' partition, and also the qi image
> into by u-boot.
> 
> After that, the red led started flashing. IIRC that means that there
> is no kernel to boot. I then panicked and replaced the u-boot with the
> one from OM20080917. That didn't help, so I also DFU'd the kernel from
> OM20080917. That fixed my phone (I could boot again!), but I'm left
> wondering what I did wrong...
> 
> AFAIK I can just do 'sudo dfu-util -D
> uImage-moredrivers-andy-tracking_2ffb4cc483642df1.bin -a kernel -R' to
> flash your kernel, but that may not be the case...
> 
> Christ van Willegen (who sometimes likes to be on the edge, and will
> re-flash with QI again tonight...)
> 

No, as I found out and Andy confirmed several messages back in this thread.
 His 2.6.27 kernel image has issues running from NAND, has to be on uSD. 
Qi will boot from any kernel named 'uImage.bin' in the /boot folder in the
root of an ext2/ext3 partition - first partition - on the uSD.  failing to
find that, it will boot from the kernel in NAND, but that  an't be the
current 2.6.27 uImage.


Also, I wanted to revisit this thread to post some stopwatch results on Qi
(error is approx ±1/2 second):

Booting SHR image with uBoot:
0:00 power button held down
0:07 splash screen appears
0:15 drops to console showing kernel messages scrolling by for ~1 minute
1:18 Openmoko 'please wait' splash
1:31 desktop animated splash
2:38 finished booting

Booting identical setup with Qi flashed over uBoot:
0:00 power button held down
0:06 backlit black
0:13 please wait booting... (only this text on console for next 38 seconds)
0:51 Angstrom console message (at the end of kernel output with uBoot, but
ONLY text display to appear throughout this stage with Qi)
0:54 Openmoko 'please wait' splash
1:05 desktop animated splash
1:54 finished booting

So for this particular configuration, it reduced time-to-desktop by about
28%, about 44 seconds.  I was pleasantly surprised to see that the later
segments of booting (desktop) were also noticeably faster than with uBoot -
I'd expected just the fist stages up until init (kernel finished
establishing itself) to be faster.  My previously-posted estimate of boot
time improvement was based on the appearance of the post-kernel splash -
'please wait' in the case of SHR - not then noticing improvements later in
the boot process.

I'll be thrilled if we can get it under one minute, preferably with GSM
powered up at the earliest possible point, and maybe putting up a dialer
instead of a splash screen.  (something like 25 seconds to dial, 60 seconds
for full system finished loading)

(Note that I still have the problem where Qi won't boot the 'first try'
after power restored - I didn't count that first 10 seconds for Qi to be
fair to its booting speed, not penalize it for what appears to be a bug
that bears no relation to actual boot speed)

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Re: Pingus ported

[Stefan Monnier]

> There is no way if the screen is already rotated. (read: I don't find a way
> to figure out when the screen is already rotated). Please email me, if you
> find one and I will directly adept it to the package.

In my tests, I noticed that the output of `xrandr' moves the little star
when I switch from portrait to landscape and back:

   ~# xrandr
   Screen 0: minimum 240 x 240, current 640 x 480, maximum 640 x 640
   default connected 480x640+0+0 left (normal left inverted right x axis y 
axis) 0mm x 0mm
  480x64050.0  
  640x48025.0* 
  240x32050.0  
  320x24050.0  
   ~# xrandr
   Screen 0: minimum 240 x 240, current 480 x 640, maximum 640 x 640
   default connected 480x640+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm 
x 0mm
  480x64050.0* 
  640x48025.0  
  240x32050.0  
  320x24050.0  
   ~# 

This also seems to indicate that the refresh frequency is different
between the two, which may mean that the poweruse is different in
landscape and portrait mode.


Stefan


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Re: French Community / Communauté Francophone

[Guillaume Chereau]

Good job, the web site is very nice !
Hope I can see you guys when I come to France. Oui oui je suis
Français !

Charlie

On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 00:49 +0200, swap38 wrote:
> (sorry for my poor english, french version below)
> 
> //
> Hi,
> 
> As you may have noticed already, a francophone community is rapidly 
> growing on the *http://openmoko-fr.org* site which has been in existence 
> for only three months now.
> The site now contains a news blog (relayed on the Planet), a forum with 
> 180 members and over 2000 posts, a wiki with over 60 pages, and an IRC 
> channel (#openmoko-fr on freenode).
> 
> Our goal is to speak in French about the Openmoko project to a wider 
> audience (developpers or not) and allow everyone to contribute at own level.
> If you are looking for more information and feedback in French, or if 
> you want to share yours, feel free to participate. You're more than welcome!
> 
> //
> Bonjour,
> 
> Comme vous l'avez peut-être déjà remarqué, une communauté francophone 
> est en train de se fédérer autour du site
> 
> http://openmoko-fr.org
> 
> Ce site existe depuis seulement 3 mois mais contient déjà un blog 
> d'informations (relayé sur le Planet), un forum (180 membres, plus de 
> 2000 messages) un wiki (plus de 60 pages) et un canal IRC (#openmoko-fr 
> sur freenode).
> 
> Notre objectif est de s'adresser à un large public (développeurs ou non) 
> pour promouvoir le projet Openmoko en français et permettre à chacun de 
> contribuer à son niveau.
> Si vous cherchez des informations et retours d'expériences en français 
> ou si au contraire vous souhaitez partager les vôtres, n'hésitez pas 
> participer vous êtes les bienvenus !
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Re: Launcher and window list

[Robin Paulson]

2008/10/21 Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> When using Om2008.9, I keep getting annoyed at the distinction between
> the list of open windows (available by clicking at the top of the
> screen) and the list of applications that I can launch: most of the time
> the list of windows is a subset of the list of applications and having
> to first get the window list, then press Home to finally get to start
> a new application is just not right.
>
> Is there somewhere some integrated application-launcher/window-manager,
> kind of like Mac OS X's dock?  I'd really like to be able to just click
> at the top of the screen (or the AUX button, maybe) and be brought
> directly to an application launcher, which indicates which of those
> applications are already running, and also includes extra windows
> I might have opened.

this was announced a few days ago in a mail here - sounds like what you're after

http://aliasid.googlepages.com/auxlaunch

it's written for debian, but i'm sure it could be ported to om2008

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Re: [Om2008.9] man pages??? && killing events/0

[Sarton O'Brien]

On Monday 20 October 2008 18:57:21 Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Monday, October 20, 2008 a las 06:45:26PM +1100, Alex Osborne 
escribió:
> > Well of course it's going to be different on FreeBSD -- different kernel
> > -- but the location of the CPU time in /proc is going to be the same as
> > any other system running the Linux kernel (well at least any that's not
> > completely ancient anyway).  So the simplest option, as I was suggesting
> > is just to consult the proc manpage on any random Linux PC and if you
> > don't have a Linux box handy then Google it, as people have put most of
> > the man pages online.
> >
> > > for example where is the man page
> > > of 'dropbear'?
> >
> > http://www.google.com/search?q=dropbear+manpage
> >
> > First result:
> >
> > http://downloads.openwrt.org/people/nico/man/man8/dropbear.8.html
> >
> > ;-)
>
> I thing Linux/UNIX goes the wrong way if we depend on Google to lookup
> man pages;

Errr ... I've seen plenty of windows programs that don't come with 
documentation or relatively useless documention. Can't say the help facility 
is all that helpful either.

You were asking for documentation for _technically_ a 3rd party program 
included on an embedded system. It makes sense to consult the website of the 
software or (heaven forbid) search for the man page. Last resort would be to 
install/extract the software on a system where you can read the documentation, 
which seems to be your preferred option.

I don't think the suggestion was "google is our documentation" but merely 
that, if you bothered to search, you wouldn't have to bother us to search for 
you.

> > Seriously though, if you must have the absolute exact same version for
> > some reason and don't have a Linux box, just grab the source tarball:
> >
> > wget http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/dropbear-0.51.tar.bz2
> > tar -jxvf dropbear-0.51.tar.bz2
> > cd dropbear-0.51
> > man ./dropbear.8
>
> Now we're getting closer; thanks for the hint; maybe it would be a good
> idea if we have *all* man pages installed at
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/
> or even as a fetch-able tar ball; in KDE you can just put 'man:ssh' into
> the KDE's browser Konqueror and you get what you want;

Fair enough, but it's like expecting microsoft to host all the documentation 
for all the apps that you could _possibly_ install on their OS. As nice as 
that might be, it's not exactly realistic.

Nearly any decent linux distro project has htmlised their man pages and from 
experience, reinventing the wheel can only ever have 'so much' benefit.

The definitive place for any documentation will always be the source. Anything 
else could quite possibly be outdated. Possibly automated links to the 
official software source files/homepages would be more appropriate.

The kernel itself is a different matter but once again, plenty of wheels are 
out there.

> > Usually manpages aren't installed on embedded systems in the interests
> > of saving space.
>
> Of course and I was not expecting the man pages installed on the
> FR.

So searching the wiki and searching google are not akin? There seems to be a 
location dependency going on with your logic, I would have thought search 
relevance was what was important here and how quickly you can obtain the 
information you require.

Seriously, this is the situation with embedded systems and I doubt any project 
can warrant the time for maintaining a man digest vs development. It's really 
not as much of an issue as you make it appear.

Sarton

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Re: Launcher and window list

[Stefan Monnier]

>> When using Om2008.9, I keep getting annoyed at the distinction between
>> the list of open windows (available by clicking at the top of the
>> screen) and the list of applications that I can launch: most of the time
>> the list of windows is a subset of the list of applications and having
>> to first get the window list, then press Home to finally get to start
>> a new application is just not right.
>> 
>> Is there somewhere some integrated application-launcher/window-manager,
>> kind of like Mac OS X's dock?  I'd really like to be able to just click
>> at the top of the screen (or the AUX button, maybe) and be brought
>> directly to an application launcher, which indicates which of those
>> applications are already running, and also includes extra windows
>> I might have opened.

> Maybe you could try installing Debian?  The install takes some time but
> is mostly rather smooth. You would need to buy a larger sd card, but
> they are very cheap nowadays.

I do have it installed, but the problem is the same:  the best I've
found so far is something like fbpanel, where it shows the window-list
as well as a bunch of application launcher icons.  But it only works
with a stylus.  I'd need something with much larger icons, that takes
the whole screen.


Stefan



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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

[shawn sullivan]

Paul wrote:
  > I agree. Having a solid functional phone is the prime objective.
> Paul
> 

I second this. Right now, I am frustrated because I miss probably half 
my calls because the phone freezes coming out of suspend.
. . . shawn

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Re: Launcher and window list

[joakim]

Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> When using Om2008.9, I keep getting annoyed at the distinction between
> the list of open windows (available by clicking at the top of the
> screen) and the list of applications that I can launch: most of the time
> the list of windows is a subset of the list of applications and having
> to first get the window list, then press Home to finally get to start
> a new application is just not right.
>
> Is there somewhere some integrated application-launcher/window-manager,
> kind of like Mac OS X's dock?  I'd really like to be able to just click
> at the top of the screen (or the AUX button, maybe) and be brought
> directly to an application launcher, which indicates which of those
> applications are already running, and also includes extra windows
> I might have opened.

Maybe you could try installing Debian?  The install takes some time but
is mostly rather smooth. You would need to buy a larger sd card, but
they are very cheap nowadays.

>
>
> Stefan
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usermeeting in Grenoble (France) next friday

[swap38]

Hi,

If you want to talk about Openmoko with funny guys (and with a nice 
Freerunner BEER in your hand) take a look at this :
http://openmoko-fr.org/wiki/index.php/2008-10-24_:_Grenoble
Remember : next friday, 19:00 :)

See you soon,

swap38

PS : faut-il traduire en français ? Allez voir le site et notez bien : 
vendredi 24 à 19h ;)


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French Community / Communauté Francophone

[swap38]

(sorry for my poor english, french version below)

//
Hi,

As you may have noticed already, a francophone community is rapidly 
growing on the *http://openmoko-fr.org* site which has been in existence 
for only three months now.
The site now contains a news blog (relayed on the Planet), a forum with 
180 members and over 2000 posts, a wiki with over 60 pages, and an IRC 
channel (#openmoko-fr on freenode).

Our goal is to speak in French about the Openmoko project to a wider 
audience (developpers or not) and allow everyone to contribute at own level.
If you are looking for more information and feedback in French, or if 
you want to share yours, feel free to participate. You're more than welcome!

//
Bonjour,

Comme vous l'avez peut-être déjà remarqué, une communauté francophone 
est en train de se fédérer autour du site

http://openmoko-fr.org

Ce site existe depuis seulement 3 mois mais contient déjà un blog 
d'informations (relayé sur le Planet), un forum (180 membres, plus de 
2000 messages) un wiki (plus de 60 pages) et un canal IRC (#openmoko-fr 
sur freenode).

Notre objectif est de s'adresser à un large public (développeurs ou non) 
pour promouvoir le projet Openmoko en français et permettre à chacun de 
contribuer à son niveau.
Si vous cherchez des informations et retours d'expériences en français 
ou si au contraire vous souhaitez partager les vôtres, n'hésitez pas 
participer vous êtes les bienvenus !

-- 
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Webmaster de http://openmoko-fr.org
La communauté francophone sur Openmoko


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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

[Warren Baird]

I must admit I never tried 2007.2 - but the things I read about it suggested
that it also wasn't very stable - people recommended using Qtopia if you
wanted a stable phone experience.

Does 2007.2 really provide a rock-solid phone/sms experience?

Warren

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Johny Tenfinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 19:54, Warren Baird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Until I'm convinced those items are addressed, my $400 FR is going to
> remain turned off in my backpack, and my friends who bought iPhones will >
> continue to laugh at me for 'wasting' my money on such a 'phone'.  *please*
> give me some ammunition to use against them!
>
> Use the 2007.2, Luke!
>
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Re: Subversion Clients/Servers

[Nicola Mfb]

2008/10/20 SCarlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
>
>  Understood. I'm trying to stick with the OM products though.
>
> -Scott
>

Some weeks ago I was able to compile subversion with OE but i deleted my
tree and now it fails. Try asking on OE mailing-lists or irc channel and
report please!

Regards

Nicola
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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

[Joel Newkirk]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:53:32 +0300, Yogiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hello,
> Hi
> 
>> I consider buying Neo Freerunner, and would like to use it with Debian
>> (since its what I have on my PC). I intend to use it as my primary
>> cellphone and not merely as PDA. My problem is the Hardware bugs,
>> mainly concerning audio quality during call, listed here
>>
>
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality
>> :
>>
>> #  Caller hears a loud echo of their own voice #1267
>> # Buzzing noise caused by GSM radio interference #883 #1352
>>
>> My question is - would those hardware bugs be fixed in some revision
>> of GTA2 or do I have to wait until GTA3? If it is going to be fixed in
>> GTA2 how long could it presumably take before new revision will be
>> available for purchase, and if not, the same question regarding
>> presumable release of GTA3?
> As far as I know, they're software problems, not hardware and they're
> pretty close to being fixed. On the latest QT extended I have pretty
> stable call quality and no echo. My om2008.09 echoed at the beginning
> but stopped after I upgraded to testing version. This was too unstable
> for my liking however.
> 
> Yogiz

Sorry but I wanted to offer corrections: The buzzing is definitely a
hardware issue,
(http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000415.html)
though it affects different units on different frequencies and different
carriers differently.  (I rarely am affected, never severely, on 1900mhz US
T-Mobile in NC - travelling rural areas daily and rarely have buzz even
when signal fades to zero)) 

The echo problem's "solution" is a band-aid of sorts, turning on
undocumented echo suppression in the GSM chip to reduce the effect
dramatically (especially on cell to cell calls where the latency is more
obvious), but that's a partial correction of the effect, not the cause. 
The 'fix' unfortunately is not an onboard DSP with echo cancellation, just
a suppression feature that mutes the audio from phone to carrier when
you're not talking - like a half-duplex speakerphone cutting off the mic so
you can hear, except it cuts off the mike so the other party /can't/ hear.

That said, with the present suppression fix in place the call quality is
perfectly acceptable for me.  (The only low-level 'bug' I'm currently
bothered with is the GSM re-registration bug apparently in some GSM
firmwares, again addressed by a 'band-aid' undocumented AT command to
prevent deep sleep powersave on the GSM chip if afflicted)

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Re: (OM2008.9) Flashback to QTextended

[Joel Newkirk]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:26:05 +0200, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I put OM2008.9 in the flash this afternoon. It did not make me happy: it
> suffers from the same problem as when I run it from uSD: plugging in the
> USB when it's running makes the FR die.
> I reflashed QTexended.
> 
> Would it be better to use OM2008.8 instead? Or does this suffer from the
> same problem?
> 
> I can live with most of the quirks of the FR, but this one is really
> annoying. I do not want to pull the battery out when I plug in the USB
> just because then the FR locks up and is really braindead.

OM2008.9 is just a snapshot during the evolution of 2008.8 toward today,
taken at the time of it's release.  if you install 2008.8 or 2008.9 and do
"opkg upgrade" you should end up at precisely the same place.

That said, have you tried the most recent 2008.x snapshot?  It's basically
2008.8 (or 2008.9 ;) 'opkg upgrade'd  through sometime last night.  
http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/

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Re: Virtualized developer system (was Re: Back to thebasics:improving user experience)

[Joel Newkirk]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:24:11 +1000, "Denis Johnson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Jisakiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> ¿May I suggest the image being a virtualbox one instead of vmware?
> Virtualbox is quite fast as well, and there are free (as in speech)
> versions available for all major distros. Only problem is that the open
> source does not support usb (but the commercial version is freely
> downloadable and does).
>>
>> Only free vmware nowadays are the player (no snapshots ability) and the
> server (too heavyweight, based on tomcat + firefox plugin).
> 
> +1
> 
> I have been using VirtualBox to run a Ubuntu guest for over a year
> now. Works very well, although I have not tried to connect neo
> directly to this instance. I ssh to another laptop running ubuntu
> natively to which I connect the FR.
> 
> cheers Denis

I've not used VirtualBox before, will have to take a look at it.  I need to
work through the assembly once more anyway to document it better.

In the meantime I'll see about cleaning up a bit and figuring out how to
package the vmware image up as an appliance.  (I'm using the free vmware
server, BTW, running under Ubuntu Hardy)

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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

[t m]

>
>
> > So to summarize, if you want to play it safe wait for GTA03.
>
> How do you know that they'll not go through the same process with GTA03
> that we've all been doing with GTA02? Wasn't GTA02 supposed to be the
> "stable" version?


You're right. I should have said something else. If you want to play it safe
wait for a fully working image on GTA02 (or GTA03)
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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

[t m]

The problem with some of the comments on images, are people not using the
phone to the extend as others do. I need my phone, also for business
reasons. I receive and send sms messages and also phone during driving a car
and in crowded surroundings.
There are also people praising an image after a 2 hour testrun. I also
praised Qtopia 4.2 before someone started complaining about echo and missing
some sms messages and the phone went in coma once in a while.
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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

[Fredrik Wendt]

mån 2008-10-20 klockan 21:36 +0100 skrev t m:

> So to summarize, if you want to play it safe wait for GTA03. 

How do you know that they'll not go through the same process with GTA03
that we've all been doing with GTA02? Wasn't GTA02 supposed to be the
"stable" version?

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Re: Illume on Debian

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

Am Montag, den 20.10.2008, 16:28 -0400 schrieb Daniel Benoy:
> On Wednesday 17 September 2008 17:25:25 you wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Am Mittwoch, den 17.09.2008, 17:13 -0400 schrieb Daniel Benoy:
> > > Is there any way I can help accelerate the process of getting illume
> > > on debian on my freerunner?  Like any sort of contribution they may
> > > need to help get the latest enlightenment going?
> > 
> > Ask on the enlightenment mailing lists what help they need for pushing
> > out a new snapshot – that’s what we are all waiting for.
> > 
> > > Alternatively, is there any workaround?  Preferably one that's not too
> > > hacky, like, for example, converting an opk to a deb?
> > 
> > Hmm, likely not, as it needs features not present in the released
> > versions of the enlightenment libs (or so I heared).

> A snapshot seems to have been released on september 25th ^.^  (A week
> after the quoted message)
> 
> http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/
> 
> Has there been any progress toward packaging that up?

Thanks for the pointer. The Debian enlightenment team has started to
packages these for Debian, and I heard that they will also package
Illume. See
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-e-devel/2008-October/thread.html 
for progress and further information.

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

[Warren Baird]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Not everyone has those problems, I experienced those problems only a
> couple times myself but not every call. I actually use mine daily and
> rarely switch back to my old phone. Only on days where battery life is
> crucial (such as long road trips without a car charger) although even
> that is rare for me.
>
>
I'm actually quite surprised - are you always reliably able to make and
receive calls?   My experience has been similar to Fredrik Wendt's - when it
works, the audio quality is fine - but over a month or so of use as my daily
phone (mostly 2008.8/9 and a bit of QTExtended), I had many occurances where
I missed calls because the phone was too slow waking up, and I had at least
3 times when the phone got into a strange mode where I couldn't make
calls...

I had assumed that this was what everyone was experiencing - but maybe I
just got a bad unit...

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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

[t m]

Frankly speaking I'm not sure anymore if the bugs are only software related.
As long as there is no image that has stable phoning capabilities I would
not advise anyone to buy one.
The hardware might be able to provide it in the future, but the unstable
software haven't proven itself yet.
Only if you really want to support OM / Free software by buying one (this is
one of my main reason for buying it) you could do that. For now my money is
a donation for the good cause and I still hope to get the best phone ever in
return.

So to summarize, if you want to play it safe wait for GTA03.
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Re: Illume on Debian

[Daniel Benoy]

A snapshot seems to have been released on september 25th ^.^  (A week after the 
quoted message)

http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/

Has there been any progress toward packaging that up?

On Wednesday 17 September 2008 17:25:25 you wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Am Mittwoch, den 17.09.2008, 17:13 -0400 schrieb Daniel Benoy:
> > Is there any way I can help accelerate the process of getting illume
> > on debian on my freerunner?  Like any sort of contribution they may
> > need to help get the latest enlightenment going?
> 
> Ask on the enlightenment mailing lists what help they need for pushing
> out a new snapshot – that’s what we are all waiting for.
> 
> > Alternatively, is there any workaround?  Preferably one that's not too
> > hacky, like, for example, converting an opk to a deb?
> 
> Hmm, likely not, as it needs features not present in the released
> versions of the enlightenment libs (or so I heared).
> 
> Greetings,
> Joachim
> 

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Re: auto-suspend with Debian

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

Am Montag, den 20.10.2008, 15:00 -0400 schrieb Stefan Monnier:
> The Debian distribution doesn't seem to do auto-suspend: you have to
> explicily ask for it before your FR suspends.  At first I thought it
> would be OK, but in practice it doesn work: the device will wake up on
> too many occasions (e.g. when receiving a phone call) and won't
> automatically fall back asleep afterwards.
> 
> How can I make it auto-suspend?

Does FSO auto-suspend? If so, since what version?

Generally, we try not to diverge too much from the FSO image, so if
there are problems with Debian that are also present in FSO, then they
probably ought to be tackled there first.

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Re: auto-suspend with Debian

[Fox Mulder]

You must configure zhone to do auto-suspend. Therefor you have to edit
the /etc/frameworkd.conf and change the suspend parameter. But this only
works while zhone is running. ;)

Ciao,
 Rainer

Stefan Monnier wrote:
> The Debian distribution doesn't seem to do auto-suspend: you have to
> explicily ask for it before your FR suspends.  At first I thought it
> would be OK, but in practice it doesn work: the device will wake up on
> too many occasions (e.g. when receiving a phone call) and won't
> automatically fall back asleep afterwards.
> 
> How can I make it auto-suspend?
> 
> 
> Stefan
> 
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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

[Warren Baird]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Yogiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Or if it's phone you want, try out the new QTextended. You'll like it.


I was using QTextended when I encountered the situations I described - it
still doesn't seem to provide solid phone capabilities - the phone got in a
mode where it wouldn't answer calls and I couldn't make outgoing calls.

 I agree that it's closer to provide a decent user experience, and the speed
seems a lot better - but I really need to be able to reliably make and
receive phone calls.

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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

[Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson]

Not everyone has those problems, I experienced those problems only a 
couple times myself but not every call. I actually use mine daily and 
rarely switch back to my old phone. Only on days where battery life is 
crucial (such as long road trips without a car charger) although even 
that is rare for me.

-Shawn

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
> I consider buying Neo Freerunner, and would like to use it with Debian
> (since its what I have on my PC). I intend to use it as my primary
> cellphone and not merely as PDA. My problem is the Hardware bugs,
> mainly concerning audio quality during call, listed here
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality
> :
>
> #  Caller hears a loud echo of their own voice #1267
> # Buzzing noise caused by GSM radio interference #883 #1352
>
> My question is - would those hardware bugs be fixed in some revision
> of GTA2 or do I have to wait until GTA3? If it is going to be fixed in
> GTA2 how long could it presumably take before new revision will be
> available for purchase, and if not, the same question regarding
> presumable release of GTA3?
> If neither option will be availabe soon - do you know some
> alternatives - a smartphone with option to install debian on it, so it
> could be usable?
>
> I ask because of this recent post:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Improving_user_experience#Overview :
> "Won't work on om2007 stack. Won't do hardware."
>
> thank you in advance
> Zeev
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Re: Subversion Clients/Servers

[SCarlson]

 Understood. I'm trying to stick with the OM products though.

-Scott


Stefan Monnier wrote:
> 
>>  Anyone compiled and running subversion server or even just a client on
>> their Freerunners yet?
> 
> If you use the Debian distribution, then yes, and you can install it
> with just "apt-get install subversion".
> 
> 
> Stefan
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auto-suspend with Debian

[Stefan Monnier]

The Debian distribution doesn't seem to do auto-suspend: you have to
explicily ask for it before your FR suspends.  At first I thought it
would be OK, but in practice it doesn work: the device will wake up on
too many occasions (e.g. when receiving a phone call) and won't
automatically fall back asleep afterwards.

How can I make it auto-suspend?


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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

[Fredrik Wendt]

Hi. This is my first and hopefully only post in where I whine.


I love my FreeRunner - but it doesn't work as a phone reliably (I sure
don't want to miss my first daughter being born soon) and the progress
since July when I bought it is far from convincing ... FSO sure looks
good but it won't help that I can theoretically use the phone with any
UI and applications thinkable,

unless the hardware and it's basic functionality works.


My whining ends with:

* Can't call reliably
* GPS takes forever
* Accelerometer's interface 
* Bluetooth with a headset is far from working
* Playing ogg/mp3 that all my other phones does hogs the CPU
* usage patterns regarding power and battery - there's a LOT to wish for
* using speaker as a conference phone ... well do I need to

So what use cases is left that it can actually fulfill?

* A wonderful toy
* A wonderful playground for learning python
* A wonderful project (the commercial GPS product does show that it
*should* work)
* book stand

but I don't know what to do with it - it's almost useless in it's
current state.

My suggestion: Wait for GTA03. On the other hand - I do believe that
they will fix everything with the GTA02 and that the phone will be
really awesome. Perhaps the GTA03 will have the same mountain of issues
that the GTA02 version has revealed.

I have a fever (home from work) so perhaps that's pulling my mood down a
bit too - normally I'd just warn you with the last "My suggestion"
part. :)


HTH,

Fredrik

PS. If one would want to go with Qt Extended, the phone is much more
useful and complete regarding the software. But the hardware issues are
still the same. DS

mån 2008-10-20 klockan 16:19 +0200 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Hello,
> I consider buying Neo Freerunner, and would like to use it with Debian
> (since its what I have on my PC). I intend to use it as my primary
> cellphone and not merely as PDA. My problem is the Hardware bugs,
> mainly concerning audio quality during call, listed here
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality
> :
> 
> #  Caller hears a loud echo of their own voice #1267
> # Buzzing noise caused by GSM radio interference #883 #1352
> 
> My question is - would those hardware bugs be fixed in some revision
> of GTA2 or do I have to wait until GTA3? If it is going to be fixed in
> GTA2 how long could it presumably take before new revision will be
> available for purchase, and if not, the same question regarding
> presumable release of GTA3?
> If neither option will be availabe soon - do you know some
> alternatives - a smartphone with option to install debian on it, so it
> could be usable?
> 
> I ask because of this recent post:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Improving_user_experience#Overview :
> "Won't work on om2007 stack. Won't do hardware."
> 
> thank you in advance
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Re: (OM2008.9) Flashback to QTextended

[Paul]

Yogiz wrote:
> That has never happened with me. What kernel are you using?

I use these files:

Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.uImage.bin
Om2008.9.rootfs.jffs2

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Re: (OM2008.9) Flashback to QTextended

[Yogiz]

Hi,

That has never happened with me. What kernel are you using?

> I put OM2008.9 in the flash this afternoon. It did not make me happy:
> it suffers from the same problem as when I run it from uSD: plugging
> in the USB when it's running makes the FR die.
> I reflashed QTexended.
> 
> Would it be better to use OM2008.8 instead? Or does this suffer from
> the same problem?
> 
> I can live with most of the quirks of the FR, but this one is really 
> annoying. I do not want to pull the battery out when I plug in the
> USB just because then the FR locks up and is really braindead.
> 
> Paul
> 

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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

[Yogiz]

> Hello,
Hi

> I consider buying Neo Freerunner, and would like to use it with Debian
> (since its what I have on my PC). I intend to use it as my primary
> cellphone and not merely as PDA. My problem is the Hardware bugs,
> mainly concerning audio quality during call, listed here
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality
> :
> 
> #  Caller hears a loud echo of their own voice #1267
> # Buzzing noise caused by GSM radio interference #883 #1352
> 
> My question is - would those hardware bugs be fixed in some revision
> of GTA2 or do I have to wait until GTA3? If it is going to be fixed in
> GTA2 how long could it presumably take before new revision will be
> available for purchase, and if not, the same question regarding
> presumable release of GTA3?
As far as I know, they're software problems, not hardware and they're
pretty close to being fixed. On the latest QT extended I have pretty
stable call quality and no echo. My om2008.09 echoed at the beginning
but stopped after I upgraded to testing version. This was too unstable
for my liking however.

Yogiz

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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

[Yogiz]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:58:27 +0200
"Johny Tenfinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 19:54, Warren Baird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Until I'm convinced those items are addressed, my $400 FR is going
> > to remain turned off in my backpack, and my friends who bought
> > iPhones will > continue to laugh at me for 'wasting' my money on
> > such a 'phone'.  *please* give me some ammunition to use against
> > them!
> 
> Use the 2007.2, Luke!
Or if it's phone you want, try out the new QTextended. You'll like it.

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Re: [FSO-testing] Good news for 19/10/2008 image

[yves mahe]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Houray,
>>
>> I test the last FSO image and good things have been done :
>>
>>- suspend/resume works.
> what do you mean by work?
> do you mean that you can suspend?
> or do you mean that when you suspend and you press the button again it
> comes back 100% of the time and that it doesn't misses calls(so 100% of
> the times it comes out of suspend when there is a call)
> Thanks in advance for your response.

I don't use yet my FR as my daily phone. I have done some tests 
yesterday with my SIM inside :
within 2 hours, FSO wakes up fine on 4 voice calls but not on 1 SMS. On 
1 voice call, due to a zhone bug I think, I was not able to answer 
because the screen was stuck on the suspend screen (keep pressed, let 
go, suspending, waking up)

Without SIM, FSO ALWAYS manually wakes up after manually suspend

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Re: Pingus ported

[Alasal]

There is no way if the screen is already rotated. (read: I don't find a way
to figure out when the screen is already rotated). Please email me, if you
find one and I will directly adept it to the package.


Max Giesbert wrote:
> 
> thx for the changes. so far it works great. only suggestion i would like
> to make is that you check if the screen is already rotated at startup.
> also bring it back to the same mode after exit.
> 
> thx
> 
> 
> max
> 
> Alasal schrieb:
>> I've changed the package of Sander, So it rotates on start and it starts
>> with
>> the right screen resolution and more. For more information, look at
>> http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/10/getting-pingus-on-your-neo-freerunner.html
>> 
>> ps. The package may be used for inclusion on opkg. But I didn't do it,
>> because some people want sound (What I doubt, because it's not playing
>> well)
>> and I've disabled it on my package. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sander van Grieken wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'm glad to report that I've managed to port Pingus, the free lemmings
>>> clone, 
>>> for OE based distributions (it was already available on Debian).
>>>
>>> I have submitted the bitbake recipe and patches to Openembedded, but
>>> there's 
>>> no need to wait while these trickle down the various branches. I have
>>> created 
>>> the binaries for you.
>>>
>>> On both FSO and OM2008.8 you can install 
>>>
>>> http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/libboost-signals1.33.1_1.33.1-r3_armv4t.ipk
>>> http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/pingus_0.7.2-r0_armv4t.ipk
>>>
>>> Also libpng3 must be installed, but I haven't been able to get the
>>> dependency 
>>> right, so you'll need to do that manually.
>>>
>>> Note: for OM2008.8, you need to have the testing feeds to get recent
>>> enough 
>>> SDL packages.
>>>
>>> more information is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Sander
>>>
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Re: [Om2008.9] man pages??? && killing events/0

[Stefan Monnier]

> Of course and I was not expecting the man pages installed on the FR.

If you use the Debian distribution, manpages are installed just as on
any other Debian system.


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ash_history

[Maelvon HAWK]

Hello,

om2008.9, ash, terminal

I've tried to add an HISTFILESIZE=500, export HISTFILESIZE, in to my
"/etc/profile" file and it doesn't seems to work. The ".hash_history"
file is ever at fifteen lines length ?

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Re: Partitionning separate /home/ floder to SD

[Alastair Johnson]

Vikas Saurabh wrote:
> Flash has limited writes in its lifetime. That is why we have special 
> filesystems for flash [1],[2] (e.g. jffs2).
> 
> ext3 (due to its journalling) might not be good idea for Sd-card. I 
> think ext2 would fare fine except that it might be left with corrupted 
> FS in case improper shutdown but at least it would not impact the life 
> of the card.

For CF and probably also for SD this is a non-issue. Most, probably all, 
implement write levelling in the card so special filesystems are not 
needed. The number of write cycles before failure has increased 
enormously too. More details here:
http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html

 From a practical perspective we've been using CF cards with ext3 and 
swap for several years now in server appliances, and they've been more 
reliable than HDDs in similar situations over that period. Given the 
restricted bandwidth of the glamo I won't even be able to hit the SD as 
hard as these are every day, so I have no worries about the lifetime of 
my SD cards. I will be very surprised if it fails before I decide to 
upgrade it.

> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Iain B. Findleton 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> 
> I did appear to observe that using ext3 on the uSD partitions
> appears to be faster than using FAT file systems, however. 
> 
> 
> --VIkas
> 
> [1] 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flash_file_systems#Flash_memory_.2F_solid_state_media_file_systems
>  
> 
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAND_flash#Flash_file_systems

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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 19:54, Warren Baird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Until I'm convinced those items are addressed, my $400 FR is going to remain 
> turned off in my backpack, and my friends who bought iPhones will > continue 
> to laugh at me for 'wasting' my money on such a 'phone'.  *please* give me 
> some ammunition to use against them!

Use the 2007.2, Luke!

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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

[Warren Baird]

I really welcome the 'back to basics' focus by OM.

However, I'd echo what other people have said - for me, the 'basics', are
ensuring that the phone works as a phone.   My FR is sitting in my backpack,
with my SIM in another phone - I missed several calls and wasn't able to
make calls on several occasions because the FR got into a strange state and
refused to make or answer calls.   I missed other calls because the phone
was suspended and didn't wake up quickly enough for me to answer the call
before it went to voice mail.  Then I stopped suspending the phone, and
missed calls because my battery had died.

I would *love* to go back to using my FR as my phone - but I can't do it
until I'm confident that I'm not going to miss calls, and that I'll be able
to make calls when I need to.

For me, there are 2 'basics' that need to be met before addressing any other
issues:

1:  rock solid phone performance - making / receiving calls
2: enough battery life that I can make it through a working day without
having to plug in the FR - this can be either through increasing the battery
life, or by fixing suspend mode so that it's reliable and doesn't break #1.

Until I'm convinced those items are addressed, my $400 FR is going to remain
turned off in my backpack, and my friends who bought iPhones will continue
to laugh at me for 'wasting' my money on such a 'phone'.  *please* give me
some ammunition to use against them!

Warren

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:47 AM, John Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Like Wolfgang said in
> http://n2.nabble.com/Weekly-Engineering-News-41-2008-td1336450.html
>
> We assembled a team to focus on improving the user experience.  Here
> is our todo list at the moment:
>
> * Reduce boot time.
>
> * Optimize the touch screen driver on freerunner for finger usage.
>
> * A generic python loader to enhance the start up time of python
>  scripts.
>
> * Work with system team to improve suspend/resume user experience.
>
>
> I would like to ask the community:
>
> What do you want us to work on?
>
>
> The idea is
>
> * We improve the current stack, not creating new features.
>
> * Prefer stuffs which could be brought over to gta03 instead of
>  gta02/om2008 specific.
>
> * won't work on om2007 stack.
>
>
> So, tell us what you want, then the coding monkeys will start working!
> :)
>
>
> Regards,
> John
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DPI settings and font sizes

[Stefan Monnier]

I love my FR's screen.  280dpi in full color is just awesome.
But there's a problem: X11 applications choose their font sizes either
as a predefined number of pixels or a predefined number of "point"s.

The first leads to very small text when you have a 280dpi screen.
The second leads to very large text (because my FR's screen is much
closer to my eyes than a typical laptop/desktop monitor).

I'm using Xglamo under Debian and notice that at startup xdyinfo gives
a dpi setting of 75x75, which is obviously a default value.  This lead
to all fonts being too small.  So I changed it (to just 100dpi:
I actually like small fonts) by adding a "-dpi 100" parameter to the
X server.

So this all works nicely, except that when I rotate the screen with
xrandr, the size&dpi is calculated based on the screen's own info and
gets set to 280dpi.

I've tried to use "xrandr --dpi 100" as well as the --fbmm argument, but
it looks like Xglamo does not support version 1.2 of XRandR.
(I also tried to add a DisplaySize thingy in the xorg.conf file, but it
made no difference, I'm not even sure if that file is read by Xglamo).

For now, I just try to refrain from rotating the display, but I wish
I could get it work right.  Does anybody have an idea?


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(OM2008.9) Flashback to QTextended

[Paul]

I put OM2008.9 in the flash this afternoon. It did not make me happy: it 
suffers from the same problem as when I run it from uSD: plugging in the 
USB when it's running makes the FR die.
I reflashed QTexended.

Would it be better to use OM2008.8 instead? Or does this suffer from the 
same problem?

I can live with most of the quirks of the FR, but this one is really 
annoying. I do not want to pull the battery out when I plug in the USB 
just because then the FR locks up and is really braindead.

Paul

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Re: Virtualized developer system (was Re: Back to the basics:improving user experience)

[Denis Johnson]

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Jisakiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ¿May I suggest the image being a virtualbox one instead of vmware? Virtualbox 
> is quite fast as well, and there are free (as in speech) versions available 
> for all major distros. Only problem is that the open source does not support 
> usb (but the commercial version is freely downloadable and does).
>
> Only free vmware nowadays are the player (no snapshots ability) and the 
> server (too heavyweight, based on tomcat + firefox plugin).

+1

I have been using VirtualBox to run a Ubuntu guest for over a year
now. Works very well, although I have not tried to connect neo
directly to this instance. I ssh to another laptop running ubuntu
natively to which I connect the FR.

cheers Denis

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[Debian] Alternate install (image)?

[Matthew Lane]

Hey,

I've been posting about the installer script error I am getting and how 
I can't get the installer to work for Debian.  Does anyone have an image 
I could flash?  That would be great as I really want to try Debian on my 
phone.

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Re: One more rotate version

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 05:35:11PM +0100, Stroller wrote:
> 
> On 20 Oct 2008, at 15:37, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:31:21PM +0200, DJDAS wrote:
> >> If someone can cookup indent recipes for converting between one and
> >> another I'd gladly use it to facilitate integration :)
> >> "man indent"? ;)
> >
> > I don't care enough about indentation to spend time learning indent, I
> > just want it sufficiently consistent.
> >
> > If someone who cares can cookup a recipe, great.
> 
> indent -kr file.c

Thank you very much, I'll check it out tomorrow night (Portugal time).

Rui

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Re: One more rotate version

[Stroller]

On 20 Oct 2008, at 15:37, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:31:21PM +0200, DJDAS wrote:
>> If someone can cookup indent recipes for converting between one and
>> another I'd gladly use it to facilitate integration :)
>> "man indent"? ;)
>
> I don't care enough about indentation to spend time learning indent, I
> just want it sufficiently consistent.
>
> If someone who cares can cookup a recipe, great.

indent -kr file.c

Stroller.


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Re: one day usage of qtextended

[Nishit Dave]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Hi
> I tried qtextended and I really like it. I even got WIFI working using only
> the GUI . And I have no problems with sound during calls.
>

Good. I do have the old problems - echo and buzzing.  There is no way to
optimize the levels.  The echo removal or suppression (?) patch recently
posted may or may not apply to qtextended, but it did certainly create new
problems for me, so I removed it.


> But there are also some problems. Mostly the same as Franky described.
>
> That is with using suspend? I charged the phone fully and turned the
> suspend
> off. After about 8 or 9 hours (I didn't do anything with the phone during
> that time, except one wake-up alarm) it said that the battery is extremely
> low.
>

The battery lasts *half of the time* overnight if you turn the alarm off
completely.  It is useless as it is now anyway.  However, at least once in
every three nights, the battery will mysteriously drain itself.



>
>
> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> >
> > - echo issue: with my alsa state file, no issue anymore
> >
> No problems, even without updating the alsa state file.
>
>
 You must be really lucky

My phone didn't wake up from suspend when a call came in. So I can't use the
> suspend. Is there any fix or workaround for this?
>

Mine does, so there could be differences in each user's experience.  I hope
you are using the latest version of 4.4.1 (2008/10/3 aka 2008/10/6).  I
think the un-updated version had solved the echo problem but the resume
problem persisted, and it got reversed with the update.


>
> And some more problems and questions:
> - If suspended, the wake-up alarm goes off too late (It seems the alarm
> starts as many minutes too late how many minutes before the expected alarm
> time I set it. So if i set the alarm at 12:00 to start at 12:05 then it
> actually starts 12:10 and if I set it at 12:00 to start at 12:30 then it
> starts 13:00 etc). If not suspended, it goes off at the right time.


Every time the phone's battery is drained, the clock resets itself to what
is probably GMT, but the timezone is static!  DO NOT rely on the
Freerunner's (QTX) alarm to work for anything that is important.  It only
rang once for me, and that too after nearly 12 hours, after a reboot.

>
> - The arrow keys on the on-screen keyboard don't work when using the
> Terminal application. So I can't go up in the bash history.
> - If a call arrives and I select "Send busy tone" it registers two missed
> calls.


Actually, about half of all calls received are registered twice.  New
messages result into multiplication of messages already received.


>
> - First it didn't show any of my SIM contacts. They appeared after I
> selected some other configuration from Server Widgets. And now they are
> still here, even after I switched back to "Default QT Extended".


I can't see some of the new contacts I imported.  They had not been imported
the first time, but the latest import seemed to work till the phone got
switched off overnight.


>
> - As Franky said, after every call it plays a weird and loud sound. It's
> really annoying. What is it? And why? Can I disable it?


It is random.  On some days, it rings.  It doesn't on some days.  Pick your
choice.

>
> - Same problems with mp3 playback as Franky described.
> - So it's impossible to install any extra software? The default feed url
> (http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.4.1/neo) shows 404 and


It is not there yet.  Lorn has said it would be available soon, and I am
dying to see if it fixes the sound problem and offers some usable packages.

>
> http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.3.2/neo just doesn't show any
> packages
> in the package manager, although it shows them when viewing this url in a
> web browser.


Don't try those packages!

>
> - Can I manually add something in the Applications menu? For example a
> short
> cut to a bash script.
> - What video formats can the Media Player play? I tried ogg, xvid and 3gp -
> didn't play them.


None, as of now, I think.

>
> - It's impossible to delete a file using a GUI?


You need a file manager.  The only one available is in source code, and I
don't know if it compiles for Qtextended.

>
> - When editing notes using the Notes application it most times doesn't save
> the changes when clicking Back. But few times it did. I don't know what I
> did differently these times.
>

cf. comment about contacts.

>
>
> But otherwise it's quite good and I can (almost) use my Freerunner as an
> everyday phone.
>

My thoughts too! I am using it as an everyday phone in any case.
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Re: One more rotate version

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:31:21PM +0200, DJDAS wrote:
> If someone can cookup indent recipes for converting between one and
> another I'd gladly use it to facilitate integration :)
> "man indent"? ;)

I don't care enough about indentation to spend time learning indent, I
just want it sufficiently consistent.

If someone who cares can cookup a recipe, great.

Rui

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Launcher and window list

[Stefan Monnier]

When using Om2008.9, I keep getting annoyed at the distinction between
the list of open windows (available by clicking at the top of the
screen) and the list of applications that I can launch: most of the time
the list of windows is a subset of the list of applications and having
to first get the window list, then press Home to finally get to start
a new application is just not right.

Is there somewhere some integrated application-launcher/window-manager,
kind of like Mac OS X's dock?  I'd really like to be able to just click
at the top of the screen (or the AUX button, maybe) and be brought
directly to an application launcher, which indicates which of those
applications are already running, and also includes extra windows
I might have opened.


Stefan




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Re: Subversion Clients/Servers

[Stefan Monnier]

>  Anyone compiled and running subversion server or even just a client on
> their Freerunners yet?

If you use the Debian distribution, then yes, and you can install it
with just "apt-get install subversion".


Stefan


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Re: One more rotate version

[DJDAS]

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra ha scritto:

  On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:33:20PM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote:
  
  
On 20.10.2008 at 12:00:36, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:


  On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:37:33AM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote:
  
  
As it seems popular these days to publish a custom version of the rotate
program, I am also going to do it.

  
  heh, you could've just sent a patch :)
  

Then I would have to write in your style, which I am not used to :p

  
  
It would be easier than fixing the indent in order to join the patch and
have you as a co-author :)

I'm not prickly about any style, that's just my default and it's
manually done.

If someone can cookup indent recipes for converting between one and
another I'd gladly use it to facilitate integration :)

"man indent"? ;)




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consider buying Neo Freerunner

[z . pekar]

Hello,
I consider buying Neo Freerunner, and would like to use it with Debian
(since its what I have on my PC). I intend to use it as my primary
cellphone and not merely as PDA. My problem is the Hardware bugs,
mainly concerning audio quality during call, listed here
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality
:

#  Caller hears a loud echo of their own voice #1267
# Buzzing noise caused by GSM radio interference #883 #1352

My question is - would those hardware bugs be fixed in some revision
of GTA2 or do I have to wait until GTA3? If it is going to be fixed in
GTA2 how long could it presumably take before new revision will be
available for purchase, and if not, the same question regarding
presumable release of GTA3?
If neither option will be availabe soon - do you know some
alternatives - a smartphone with option to install debian on it, so it
could be usable?

I ask because of this recent post:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Improving_user_experience#Overview :
"Won't work on om2007 stack. Won't do hardware."

thank you in advance
Zeev

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Re: one day usage of qtextended

[Marx]

Hi
I tried qtextended and I really like it. I even got WIFI working using only
the GUI . And I have no problems with sound during calls.

But there are also some problems. Mostly the same as Franky described.


Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> 
> - first of all: battery life seems to be ok, after one day the battery
> meter was still at 80%. Nice!
> 
That is with using suspend? I charged the phone fully and turned the suspend
off. After about 8 or 9 hours (I didn't do anything with the phone during
that time, except one wake-up alarm) it said that the battery is extremely
low.



Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> 
> - echo issue: with my alsa state file, no issue anymore
> 
No problems, even without updating the alsa state file.



Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> 
> - gsm suspends/unsuspends fine (for calls and sms's too)
> 
My phone didn't wake up from suspend when a call came in. So I can't use the
suspend. Is there any fix or workaround for this?


And some more problems and questions:
- If suspended, the wake-up alarm goes off too late (It seems the alarm
starts as many minutes too late how many minutes before the expected alarm
time I set it. So if i set the alarm at 12:00 to start at 12:05 then it
actually starts 12:10 and if I set it at 12:00 to start at 12:30 then it
starts 13:00 etc). If not suspended, it goes off at the right time.
- The arrow keys on the on-screen keyboard don't work when using the
Terminal application. So I can't go up in the bash history.
- If a call arrives and I select "Send busy tone" it registers two missed
calls.
- First it didn't show any of my SIM contacts. They appeared after I
selected some other configuration from Server Widgets. And now they are
still here, even after I switched back to "Default QT Extended".
- As Franky said, after every call it plays a weird and loud sound. It's
really annoying. What is it? And why? Can I disable it?
- Same problems with mp3 playback as Franky described.
- So it's impossible to install any extra software? The default feed url
(http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.4.1/neo) shows 404 and
http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.3.2/neo just doesn't show any packages
in the package manager, although it shows them when viewing this url in a
web browser.
- Can I manually add something in the Applications menu? For example a short
cut to a bash script.
- What video formats can the Media Player play? I tried ogg, xvid and 3gp -
didn't play them.
- It's impossible to delete a file using a GUI?
- When editing notes using the Notes application it most times doesn't save
the changes when clicking Back. But few times it did. I don't know what I
did differently these times.


But otherwise it's quite good and I can (almost) use my Freerunner as an
everyday phone.
Thanks!
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Re: Partitionning separate /home/ floder to SD

[BS - João Vieira]

I just did as L. Gasser said, it's working fine, i notice some "slowlyness" in 
xTerm in the neo when working in /home/ "area" but it's no big deal.

Used gParted to make partitions, and used ext2 instead of ext3

thanks guys
J

On Monday 20 October 2008, Iain B. Findleton wrote:
> All that works just fine, particularly the use of a swap partiton which
> eliminates the slowing of the FR with time. I also made /usr/local point
> to the uSD so that any applications I install are not affected by
> changes to the flashed stuff.
>
> I notice little negative effects by putting as much as possible on the
> uSD. I did appear to observe that using ext3 on the uSD partitions
> appears to be faster than using FAT file systems, however. That is just
> an impression as I have not run any tests.
>
> Joel Newkirk wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:39:34 +0100, "Andy Selby"
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> Is there a way that /home/ is in my SD card? Only /home/, like we do in
> >>
> >> Linux
> >>
> >>> distributions... so I can flash whenever i want the Neo without loosing
> >>> configuration files, icons and stuff I am adapting for myself in the
> >>
> >> Neo?
> >>
> >> Did you try
> >> #link /media/card/home /home
> >
> > Actually that'd be 'ln'... ;)
> >
> > The solution I suspect Andy is seeking is to alter /etc/fstab:
> > /dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/card autodefaults,async,noauto   0  0
> > change to
> > /dev/mmcblk0p1  /home autodefaults,async,noauto   0  0
> >
> > This replaces /home in the filesystem with the contents of the first
> > partition on the uSD.  (note that if the /home folder already exists that
> > this will effectively redirect /home to the uSD without touching the
> > 'local' /home, so that if the uSD is removed, corrupted, etc, and doesn't
> > mount, there's still a /home/root folder, just without everything you
> > customized and added while on the uSD)
> >
> > When (if) I get my FR where I plan to retain the same installation
> > long-term, I intend to carve up the 8gb uSD and have /dev/mmcblk0p3 as
> > /home.  (partition #2 as swap, #1 as alternate boot)
> >
> > j
> >
> >
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Re: Partitionning separate /home/ floder to SD

[Vikas Saurabh]

Flash has limited writes in its lifetime. That is why we have special
filesystems for flash [1],[2] (e.g. jffs2).

ext3 (due to its journalling) might not be good idea for Sd-card. I think
ext2 would fare fine except that it might be left with corrupted FS in case
improper shutdown but at least it would not impact the life of the card.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Iain B. Findleton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I did appear to observe that using ext3 on the uSD partitions
> appears to be faster than using FAT file systems, however.


--VIkas

[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flash_file_systems#Flash_memory_.2F_solid_state_media_file_systems
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAND_flash#Flash_file_systems
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Re: One more rotate version

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:33:20PM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote:
> On 20.10.2008 at 12:00:36, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:37:33AM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote:
> > > As it seems popular these days to publish a custom version of the rotate
> > > program, I am also going to do it.
> >
> > heh, you could've just sent a patch :)
> 
> Then I would have to write in your style, which I am not used to :p

It would be easier than fixing the indent in order to join the patch and
have you as a co-author :)

I'm not prickly about any style, that's just my default and it's
manually done.

If someone can cookup indent recipes for converting between one and
another I'd gladly use it to facilitate integration :)

> > > After reading the source code of Rui Miguel Silva Seabra's rotate
> > > program, I found some parts that could be improved and hacked on those.
> > > The result differs from the original in the following points:
> > >  - No brightness control (Its just annoying)
> >
> > I found that ever since I added it I never again had the weird split
> > screen after rotation bug which sometimes happened when going
> > horizontal.
> >
> > Doesn't that ever occur to you?
> It always occur if I switch from xrandr -o 1 to xrandr -o 3. However only 
> then.
> 
> > >  - uses fewer CPU cycles (I have not done much research, because it would
> > > not even show up in top)
> >
> > ? I hardly ever see mine on top, and even so when it did never more than
> > 1% (especially with the dimmed screen).
> 
> oh, okay^^ Your announce message said something around 0.9%.

That was previously... and when I saw it :)

> > > BUT:
> > >  - It still suffers from the "accelerometers stop working after a while"
> > > bug.
> >
> > This is hopefully a driver problem (if it's a hardware problem we're
> > SOL).
> 
> Yeah hopefully. I have tried running cat /dev/input/event3 and it also stops 
> after some time.
> @openmoko-devs: this would be a great bugfix for your 'back to the basics' 
> path

:)

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Re: One more rotate version

[Fabian Henze]

On 20.10.2008 at 13:49:32, SCarlson wrote:
> Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from what i've read, the
> accelerometers are not "dieing" but the mechanism that exposes them to
> /dev/eventX does.? Still able to view throught the /sys/proc route?

That's possible but why do you care? The effect is the same.

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Re: [FSO-testing] Good news for 19/10/2008 image

[GNUtoo]

> Houray,
>
> I test the last FSO image and good things have been done :
>
>- suspend/resume works.
what do you mean by work?
do you mean that you can suspend?
or do you mean that when you suspend and you press the button again it
comes back 100% of the time and that it doesn't misses calls(so 100% of
the times it comes out of suspend when there is a call)
Thanks in advance for your response.


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Re: Partitionning separate /home/ floder to SD

[Iain B. Findleton]

All that works just fine, particularly the use of a swap partiton which
eliminates the slowing of the FR with time. I also made /usr/local point
to the uSD so that any applications I install are not affected by
changes to the flashed stuff.

I notice little negative effects by putting as much as possible on the
uSD. I did appear to observe that using ext3 on the uSD partitions
appears to be faster than using FAT file systems, however. That is just
an impression as I have not run any tests.

Joel Newkirk wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:39:34 +0100, "Andy Selby"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>> Is there a way that /home/ is in my SD card? Only /home/, like we do in
>>>   
>> Linux
>> 
>>> distributions... so I can flash whenever i want the Neo without loosing
>>> configuration files, icons and stuff I am adapting for myself in the
>>>   
>> Neo?
>>
>> Did you try
>> #link /media/card/home /home
>> 
>
> Actually that'd be 'ln'... ;)
>
> The solution I suspect Andy is seeking is to alter /etc/fstab:
> /dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/card autodefaults,async,noauto   0  0
> change to 
> /dev/mmcblk0p1  /home autodefaults,async,noauto   0  0
>
> This replaces /home in the filesystem with the contents of the first
> partition on the uSD.  (note that if the /home folder already exists that
> this will effectively redirect /home to the uSD without touching the
> 'local' /home, so that if the uSD is removed, corrupted, etc, and doesn't
> mount, there's still a /home/root folder, just without everything you
> customized and added while on the uSD)
>
> When (if) I get my FR where I plan to retain the same installation
> long-term, I intend to carve up the 8gb uSD and have /dev/mmcblk0p3 as
> /home.  (partition #2 as swap, #1 as alternate boot)
>
> j
>
>
>
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Re: Partitionning separate /home/ floder to SD

[Alastair Johnson]

Linus Gasser wrote:
> Joel Newkirk a écrit :
>> When (if) I get my FR where I plan to retain the same installation
>> long-term, I intend to carve up the 8gb uSD and have /dev/mmcblk0p3 as
>> /home.  (partition #2 as swap, #1 as alternate boot)
> 
> Did the same thing here (swapped swap and home). This is the important 
> part of my fstab, if it helps someone:
> 
> # microSD slot
> /dev/mmcblk0p1/media/card autodefaults,async,noauto   0  0
> /dev/mmcblk0p2/home   ext2defaults,async  0  0
> /dev/mmcblk0p3none swap   sw 0 0

You might like to add noatime,nodiratime to the options too.

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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

[Alastair Johnson]

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> William Kenworthy wrote:
>> Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage.
>> Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia
>> has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :)
> 
> Well, I don't really know what Akonadi is using, but when I installed it
> in my ubuntu build it was depending in mysql-client and mysql-server.
> Now, if mysql (with a server always running) is really needed I think
> that we can't use in our phone.

 From the  tutorial below I get the impression that Akonadi can use more 
or less anything as a storage backend if you write the resource handler 
for it, and kdevelop has templates for these. Ubuntu, like most binary 
distributions, tends to pull in all sorts of things as dependencies that 
aren't strictly necessary.

http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Akonadi/Resources

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Re: Pingus ported

[Max Giesbert]

thx for the changes. so far it works great. only suggestion i would like
to make is that you check if the screen is already rotated at startup.
also bring it back to the same mode after exit.

thx


max

Alasal schrieb:
> I've changed the package of Sander, So it rotates on start and it starts with
> the right screen resolution and more. For more information, look at
> http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/10/getting-pingus-on-your-neo-freerunner.html
> 
> ps. The package may be used for inclusion on opkg. But I didn't do it,
> because some people want sound (What I doubt, because it's not playing well)
> and I've disabled it on my package. 
> 
> 
> Sander van Grieken wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm glad to report that I've managed to port Pingus, the free lemmings
>> clone, 
>> for OE based distributions (it was already available on Debian).
>>
>> I have submitted the bitbake recipe and patches to Openembedded, but
>> there's 
>> no need to wait while these trickle down the various branches. I have
>> created 
>> the binaries for you.
>>
>> On both FSO and OM2008.8 you can install 
>>
>> http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/libboost-signals1.33.1_1.33.1-r3_armv4t.ipk
>> http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/pingus_0.7.2-r0_armv4t.ipk
>>
>> Also libpng3 must be installed, but I haven't been able to get the
>> dependency 
>> right, so you'll need to do that manually.
>>
>> Note: for OM2008.8, you need to have the testing feeds to get recent
>> enough 
>> SDL packages.
>>
>> more information is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Sander
>>
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Re: One more rotate version

[SCarlson]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from what i've read, the accelerometers
are not "dieing" but the mechanism that exposes them to /dev/eventX does.?
Still able to view throught the /sys/proc route?

Scott


Fabian Henze wrote:
> 
> On 20.10.2008 at 04:14:08, SCarlson wrote:
>>  Very snappy. It does "die" pretty quickly.. Due to accelerometer
>> failing?
>> How can I help test this further. I ran from command line and when it
>> "dies" it just stopping writing to stdout. Also, if I re-run it just sits
>> and waits for stdout. I assume this is the acc. problem that you
>> mentioned
>> above.?
>>
>> Scott
> 
> Yes I think so. It might as well be a bug in my code, but as other rotate 
> programs have the same problem (or build around it), this is not very
> likely. 
> It would help, if anyone could tell me how to avoid the bug by altering
> some 
> timeouts or how to predict the next death.
> I am currently trying if `cat /dev/input/event3` is also dying after a
> while, 
> however it has not stopped yet. Is there some information on this bug
> around? 
> I have not found anything in the bugtracker.
> 
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Re: One more rotate version

[Fabian Henze]

On 20.10.2008 at 12:00:36, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:37:33AM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote:
> > As it seems popular these days to publish a custom version of the rotate
> > program, I am also going to do it.
>
> heh, you could've just sent a patch :)

Then I would have to write in your style, which I am not used to :p

> > After reading the source code of Rui Miguel Silva Seabra's rotate
> > program, I found some parts that could be improved and hacked on those.
> > The result differs from the original in the following points:
> >  - No brightness control (Its just annoying)
>
> I found that ever since I added it I never again had the weird split
> screen after rotation bug which sometimes happened when going
> horizontal.
>
> Doesn't that ever occur to you?
It always occur if I switch from xrandr -o 1 to xrandr -o 3. However only 
then.

>
> >  - Imo better (and faster) heuristics
>
> I'll check on them and perhaps integrate.

Great :)

> >  - uses fewer CPU cycles (I have not done much research, because it would
> > not even show up in top)
>
> ? I hardly ever see mine on top, and even so when it did never more than
> 1% (especially with the dimmed screen).

oh, okay^^ Your announce message said something around 0.9%.

> > BUT:
> >  - It still suffers from the "accelerometers stop working after a while"
> > bug.
>
> This is hopefully a driver problem (if it's a hardware problem we're
> SOL).

Yeah hopefully. I have tried running cat /dev/input/event3 and it also stops 
after some time.
@openmoko-devs: this would be a great bugfix for your 'back to the basics' path


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Re: Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th

[member kamituel]

Hi!

Is NetFront really availavble on OpenMoko? I tried to find it, but
without any luck. Can somebody post
some link?

ah, and thanks for the newsletter :)
Kamil

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Re: Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th

[Dale Maggee]

as others have said, thanks alot for your work with these updates Minh! 
Great stuff!

Minh Ha Duong wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> welcome to the unofficial Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th 
> issue. The two big news are the launch of opkg.org, an application directory, 
> and Openmoko engineering team focusing back to the basics on Improving user 
> experience.
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_19th%2C_2008#Applications
>
> Contents
>
> * 1 Images
> * 2 Applications
> * 3 Good fixes and discussed issues
> * 4 Community
> * 5 Outside Openmoko
>
> Images
>
> Things were rather quiet on the distribution front. Rasterman's October 11th 
> images (source) were put online. This is not really a distribution, but 
> rather a demonstration that illume runs well and is so beautiful, for others 
> distros to grab. We also saw daily SHR image builds online, no release yet 
> but available for testing. And Qi, the next bootloader, recently got resume 
> support.Testing shows that it is much faster than uboot indeed, but no 
> release yet either.
>
> Applications
>
> Everybody applauded when Tobias announced http://opkg.org , an online 
> directory of applications (think Freshmeat, Tucows...). The database is 
> community-driven, everybody can register and index applications. In the flow 
> of community developped utilities, I noticed:
>
> * the initial release of OpenMooCow, a nice, funny and useless bovine 
> noise simulator.
> * Optimizations on Rotate. This is an interesting example of competition 
> and cooperation (community development, if you prefer), because there are 
> many versions being developed in parallel, with ideas jumping across all the 
> time.
> * The Gestures GSoC project developper managed to convince his academic 
> instructors to let him code on the FreeRunner for his degree. Future 
> developments coming at http://AccelSense.org
> * Auxlaunch is a very simple, finger-friendly application launcher and 
> window switcher for the Freerunner. It appears when the "AUX" button is 
> pressed. 
>
> With respect to porting other applications to our favorite platform, I read 
> that Intel's made powertop actually runs on the FreeRunner. This is an very 
> handy utility that allows to measure and therefore optimize power usage. 
> Also:
>
> * FBReader an e-book reader programme now available for Debian and 2008.8
> * Sander ported Pingus the free lemmings clone, for OE based 
> distributions 
> (it was already available on Debian).
> * In addition to minimo, openmoko-browser2, and midori, we saw a bunch of 
> light and fast web browsers announced on the mailing list: Fennec), Dillo 
> (ipk), NetSurf and links2. That makes about seven, working more or less well. 
> Choice, choice, choice...
> * The same is happening for music players: pythm, openmoko-mediaplayer2, 
> qtopia media player, deforaOS-player, qmmp, sonata, quasar. Thomas's K. also 
> started a mediaplayer. So far I think that your best friend is mplayer from 
> the command line interface (and on 2008.8, I think that mplayer is directly 
> connected to OSS, so installing OSS compatibility packages probably help. And 
> removing pulseaudio also saves tons of CPU cycles) 
>
> Good fixes and discussed issues
>
> Many good news:
>
> * There is a fix for ticket 2038 about Qtopia USSD requests, so that 
> dialing "*123" or "#4" should work soon.
> * There is a fix for ticket 1024, the GSM keeps reregistering bug, a.k.a. 
> bouncing Calypso issue. The workaround is to prevent the modem from entering 
> deep sleep, and it has been commited to the QTopia images already.
> * Powersaving patches landed in stable-2.6.26 on October 8th. Note to 
> application developpers: the best way to blank the screen to conserve power 
> is the fbdev-ioctl method. I think that xset s 5 should do it. Thanks to the 
> Harald and the Swisscom research project !
> * OM announced two hires: Ray Chao, to work full-time in Taipei on the 
> infrastructure, and Christopher Hall, a very experienced software engineer.
> * Infrastructure-wise, unstable development of OM is moving back to OE. 
>
> Too many bugs remain, see Test reports for example. Most of the grief heard 
> these days was about Digital Audio Playing and Wifi. I would like to make an 
> unrequested announcement for the sake of the good vertical communication: 
> Kernels currently has the APM power management interface is still compiled 
> in. This has been deprecated for years and is doomed to go away. Hopefully 
> apm -s will still work for suspend, but userspace applications that still use 
> the deprecated apm interface SHOULD take action, preferably sooner than 
> later.
>
> Community
>
> * Openmoko's engineers reunited for a 3 weeks workshop in Taipei. They 
> decided to focus back on the basics, that is to leave the Installer, 
> Locations, Diversity and Settings applications alone for a whil

Re: One more rotate version

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:37:33AM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote:
> As it seems popular these days to publish a custom version of the rotate 
> program, I am also going to do it.

heh, you could've just sent a patch :)

> After reading the source code of Rui Miguel Silva Seabra's rotate program, I 
> found some parts that could be improved and hacked on those. The result 
> differs 
> from the original in the following points:
>  - No brightness control (Its just annoying)

I found that ever since I added it I never again had the weird split
screen after rotation bug which sometimes happened when going
horizontal.

Doesn't that ever occur to you?

>  - Imo better (and faster) heuristics

I'll check on them and perhaps integrate.

>  - Fewer errors and false positives (the display won't rotate while the phone 
> is shaken around or sth. like this)

Ah, that's very much needed but I haven't had a lot of chance to hack
(having an ITIL exam tomorrow).

>  - uses fewer CPU cycles (I have not done much research, because it would not 
> even show up in top)

? I hardly ever see mine on top, and even so when it did never more than
1% (especially with the dimmed screen).

> BUT:
>  - It still suffers from the "accelerometers stop working after a while" bug.

This is hopefully a driver problem (if it's a hardware problem we're
SOL).

> I would much appreciate feedback on the program and especially on the quality 
> of the code. And I would even more appreciate a better accelerometer driver 
> so 
> userland hacks like one by Oscar Casamitjana are not necessary anymore

Yeah...

Rui


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Re: Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th

[Vasco Névoa]

Excellent report, Minh!
I've been having too little time to follow the traffic, you're a life  
saver! :)

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Re: [Om2008.9] man pages??? && killing events/0

[arne anka]

> CPU time of a proc? I was thinking in something like 'cat /proc/5/...'

it's hard to believe there should be no python way to access procfs more  
generic (not to speak of other languages).
maybe
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2004-December/298171.html
helps?

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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved

[Xavier Cremaschi]

Michael Zanetti a écrit :
> On Wednesday 15 October 2008 08:18:40 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
>> Here you are [1]. It includes also the mwester fix for re-registering
>> network and my workaround for GSM firmware crash. I hope it won't have
>> any incompatibility with your installed Qtopia...
>>
>> [1]
>> http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/libficgta01vendor-echo-cance
>> llation.so.tar.gz
> 
> Thanks for the lib. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to fix the echo issue 
> here... 
> Also the buzzing noise is still very loud...
> 
> Any suggestions?



For what I read in :
 http://n2.nabble.com/GSM-noise-%22buzz%22-issue-tc675090.html
I think I can write 2 things :

Firstly : there is a difference between :
- echo cancellation (what we want)
- echo suppression (no transmission when no one talks)
Even if 
http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/libficgta01vendor-echo-cancellation.so.tar.gz
 
ends with 'cancellation', are we sure we are talking about that ?
Some older posts in this thread mentioned 'echo suppression'...

Secondly : the buzzing noise is due to RF (radiofreq) parasites, and 
seems to be a hardware problem (related to the jack, because plugging a 
jack increases the noise a lot more).
As long as we do not have a software fix (like for GPS/SDcard) or a 
hardware easy-to-do hack, maybe we should use a bluetooth earset because 
it seems to be a valid solution, cf. last messages in mentioned thread.

Xavier.


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Re: Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th

[Denis Johnson]

Excellent summary, many hours saved. Much appreciated, please keep it up.

Cheers Denis


On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Minh Ha Duong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> welcome to the unofficial Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th
> issue. The two big news are the launch of opkg.org, an application directory,
> and Openmoko engineering team focusing back to the basics on Improving user
> experience.
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_19th%2C_2008#Applications
>
> Contents
>
>* 1 Images
>* 2 Applications
>* 3 Good fixes and discussed issues
>* 4 Community
>* 5 Outside Openmoko
>
> Images
>
> Things were rather quiet on the distribution front. Rasterman's October 11th
> images (source) were put online. This is not really a distribution, but
> rather a demonstration that illume runs well and is so beautiful, for others
> distros to grab. We also saw daily SHR image builds online, no release yet
> but available for testing. And Qi, the next bootloader, recently got resume
> support.Testing shows that it is much faster than uboot indeed, but no
> release yet either.
>
> Applications
>
> Everybody applauded when Tobias announced http://opkg.org , an online
> directory of applications (think Freshmeat, Tucows...). The database is
> community-driven, everybody can register and index applications. In the flow
> of community developped utilities, I noticed:
>
>* the initial release of OpenMooCow, a nice, funny and useless bovine
> noise simulator.
>* Optimizations on Rotate. This is an interesting example of competition
> and cooperation (community development, if you prefer), because there are
> many versions being developed in parallel, with ideas jumping across all the
> time.
>* The Gestures GSoC project developper managed to convince his academic
> instructors to let him code on the FreeRunner for his degree. Future
> developments coming at http://AccelSense.org
>* Auxlaunch is a very simple, finger-friendly application launcher and
> window switcher for the Freerunner. It appears when the "AUX" button is
> pressed.
>
> With respect to porting other applications to our favorite platform, I read
> that Intel's made powertop actually runs on the FreeRunner. This is an very
> handy utility that allows to measure and therefore optimize power usage.
> Also:
>
>* FBReader an e-book reader programme now available for Debian and 2008.8
>* Sander ported Pingus the free lemmings clone, for OE based distributions
> (it was already available on Debian).
>* In addition to minimo, openmoko-browser2, and midori, we saw a bunch of
> light and fast web browsers announced on the mailing list: Fennec), Dillo
> (ipk), NetSurf and links2. That makes about seven, working more or less well.
> Choice, choice, choice...
>* The same is happening for music players: pythm, openmoko-mediaplayer2,
> qtopia media player, deforaOS-player, qmmp, sonata, quasar. Thomas's K. also
> started a mediaplayer. So far I think that your best friend is mplayer from
> the command line interface (and on 2008.8, I think that mplayer is directly
> connected to OSS, so installing OSS compatibility packages probably help. And
> removing pulseaudio also saves tons of CPU cycles)
>
> Good fixes and discussed issues
>
> Many good news:
>
>* There is a fix for ticket 2038 about Qtopia USSD requests, so that
> dialing "*123" or "#4" should work soon.
>* There is a fix for ticket 1024, the GSM keeps reregistering bug, a.k.a.
> bouncing Calypso issue. The workaround is to prevent the modem from entering
> deep sleep, and it has been commited to the QTopia images already.
>* Powersaving patches landed in stable-2.6.26 on October 8th. Note to
> application developpers: the best way to blank the screen to conserve power
> is the fbdev-ioctl method. I think that xset s 5 should do it. Thanks to the
> Harald and the Swisscom research project !
>* OM announced two hires: Ray Chao, to work full-time in Taipei on the
> infrastructure, and Christopher Hall, a very experienced software engineer.
>* Infrastructure-wise, unstable development of OM is moving back to OE.
>
> Too many bugs remain, see Test reports for example. Most of the grief heard
> these days was about Digital Audio Playing and Wifi. I would like to make an
> unrequested announcement for the sake of the good vertical communication:
> Kernels currently has the APM power management interface is still compiled
> in. This has been deprecated for years and is doomed to go away. Hopefully
> apm -s will still work for suspend, but userspace applications that still use
> the deprecated apm interface SHOULD take action, preferably sooner than
> later.
>
> Community
>
>* Openmoko's engineers reunited for a 3 weeks workshop in Taipei. They
> decided to focus back on the basics, that is to leave the Installer,
> Locations, Diversity and Settings applications alone for a while. This
> decisio

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[t m]

Great overview what has happened in a relatively short period of time. Very
well written for its purpose. Short, to the point.
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Re: [OSX] AJZaurusUSB bug fix project

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Hi,

Am 20.10.2008 um 09:00 schrieb Peter Neubauer:

> I tried the new version and noticed that directly after the install I
> got the interface coming up repeatedly when I plugged/unplugged the FR
> in the networking preferences. However, after restart, only the first
> time I get the interface coming up connected, upon
> unplugging/reconnecting the USB cable nothing happens, until I restart
> my Laptop for another working on time connection.
>
> Is that the current state of affairs or am I missing something?

Yes, that is one of the main features.

If you don't install AJZaurusUSB, the Apple CDC Ethernet driver tries to
run. But it has a bug that it creates new network interfaces.

Therefore, if you reboot the Mac, the AJZaurusUSB is finally  
installed. And,
it creates only one interface (unless you flash a new kernel to the  
Freerunner).

So after replugging, the interface should change from red to green in  
the
Network settings automatically.

BR,
Nikolaus

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Re: [Om2008.9] man pages??? && killing events/0

[Alex Osborne]

Matthias Apitz wrote:

> I thing Linux/UNIX goes the wrong way if we depend on Google to lookup
> man pages;

We don't.  Well, at least anyone actually running Linux doesn't.  Just
typing "man proc" worked for me. ;-)  I added the Google link as an
after-thought in case you were running something else.

> Now we're getting closer; thanks for the hint; maybe it would be a good
> idea if we have *all* man pages installed at
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/
> or even as a fetch-able tar ball;

Sure, that sounds handy!  Maybe you could contribute one? :-)

> in KDE you can just put 'man:ssh' into
> the KDE's browser Konqueror and you get what you want;

That'd work too, just install dropbear on your PC and I bet you could
view its manpage with Konqueror as well.

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Re: One more rotate version

[Fabian Henze]

On 20.10.2008 at 04:14:08, SCarlson wrote:
>  Very snappy. It does "die" pretty quickly.. Due to accelerometer failing?
> How can I help test this further. I ran from command line and when it
> "dies" it just stopping writing to stdout. Also, if I re-run it just sits
> and waits for stdout. I assume this is the acc. problem that you mentioned
> above.?
>
> Scott

Yes I think so. It might as well be a bug in my code, but as other rotate 
programs have the same problem (or build around it), this is not very likely. 
It would help, if anyone could tell me how to avoid the bug by altering some 
timeouts or how to predict the next death.
I am currently trying if `cat /dev/input/event3` is also dying after a while, 
however it has not stopped yet. Is there some information on this bug around? 
I have not found anything in the bugtracker.

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Re: [Om2008.9] man pages??? && killing events/0

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Monday, October 20, 2008 a las 06:45:26PM +1100, Alex Osborne escribió:

> Well of course it's going to be different on FreeBSD -- different kernel
> -- but the location of the CPU time in /proc is going to be the same as
> any other system running the Linux kernel (well at least any that's not
> completely ancient anyway).  So the simplest option, as I was suggesting
> is just to consult the proc manpage on any random Linux PC and if you
> don't have a Linux box handy then Google it, as people have put most of
> the man pages online.
> 
> > for example where is the man page
> > of 'dropbear'?
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=dropbear+manpage
> 
> First result:
> 
> http://downloads.openwrt.org/people/nico/man/man8/dropbear.8.html
> 
> ;-)

I thing Linux/UNIX goes the wrong way if we depend on Google to lookup
man pages;

> 
> Seriously though, if you must have the absolute exact same version for
> some reason and don't have a Linux box, just grab the source tarball:
> 
> wget http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/dropbear-0.51.tar.bz2
> tar -jxvf dropbear-0.51.tar.bz2
> cd dropbear-0.51
> man ./dropbear.8

Now we're getting closer; thanks for the hint; maybe it would be a good
idea if we have *all* man pages installed at
http://downloads.openmoko.org/
or even as a fetch-able tar ball; in KDE you can just put 'man:ssh' into
the KDE's browser Konqueror and you get what you want;

> Usually manpages aren't installed on embedded systems in the interests
> of saving space.

Of course and I was not expecting the man pages installed on the
FR.

Thx

matthias
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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

[John Lee]

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:36:38AM -0400, Feydreva wrote:
> I am not a developer, but i test the images and try to use the openmoko...
> My main issue with Openmoko are :
> 
> 1) Battery life : only 4hrs, and when you charge it, it discharge itself
> after a while. I cannot use it as a daily phone :/
> 2) Basic telephony : the phone should wake up faster than it does now
> the time the phone wakes up, rings, and you pick the call, there has been 6
> rings for the other party, and may already be on the voicemail
> 3)Basic text message should work flawlessly.
> 4) A way to set up the sound and rings ... There is actually no gui for that

Try install qtopia-phone-x11-ringprofile-app-data
You might also need illume-theme-illume and use illume in
/etc/enlightenment/default_profile to enable the wrench icon.


> 5) I haven;t find yet where to activate the PIN or not... I put 1 sim card
> that asked for a pin, it work.. I put a another sim card, where no pin is
> needed.. it was still asking for a pin... (I had to reflash to solve this
> one) but there is no Menu where I could choose, Pin on/off, if pin on, set
> up the pin
> 
> 
> I do not care at all about any other application. I want a daily phone...
> where i can receive, make call, receive and send text message, and have the
> phone a day with me, wihotut having to cahrge it every 2 hrs... (8-10 hrs
> battery life would be better, with wifi on, gps off)
> 
> Until we reach this point, I will continue tu use my dumb phone eeyday, and
> the FR will catch some dust on a shelve...
> 
> Peace
> Philippe
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> >
> > On 19 Oct 2008, at 13:46, Dale Maggee wrote:
> >
> > > arne anka wrote:
> > >>> ==Pim device==
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> imho that's exactly the kind of task openmoko did _not_ ask for.
> > >>
> > > I would respectfully disagree - Openmoko asked about "Improving user
> > > experience", and users are saying they want to experience PIM
> > > capabilities.
> > > ...
> > >> and it's doable by community!
> > >>
> > > Agreed, it could be done by the community, but I don't see anyone
> > > doing
> > > it, and I'm not smart enough, nor do I have the time at the moment.
> >
> >
> > It does not matter whether YOU could do it or not. it's a matter of
> > where Openmoko's resources are best spent.
> >
> > If you can't write a PIM app, then you CERTAINLY can't write kernel
> > drivers - THAT is where Openmoko's resources should be mist focussed,
> > IMO. As others have stated, there is some hardware-level stuff that
> > only Openmoko has NDA for. And without working hardware drivers to
> > ensure that phonecalls work flawlessly (and wifi, and bluetooth), a
> > PIM is irrelevant.
> >
> > >> there are a lot of posts lately completely ignoring the point of
> > >> "basics"
> > >> and "no eyecandy"
> > > I haven't seen anybody ask for pretty-looking PIM applications, people
> > > seem to be asking for *reliable* PIM applications. I'd call
> > > reliability
> > > and robustness "basic".
> >
> > Basic reliability and robustness resides in a program with which you
> > can enter a number and make a call. Once that prototype exists it is
> > much easier for the community to extend it to PIM functionality.
> > Openmoko can then move on to wifi drivers, Glamo hardware acceleration
> > and pairing of bluetooth headsets.
> >
> > >> pim frinst is at it's best part of a middle tier, but rather of a
> > >> particular distribution --
> > > This kind of comes into the "Should FSO merge be sped up?" debate,
> > > as I
> > > believe the framework has PIM stuff built into it.
> >
> > AIUI (and I would be delighted to be corrected if I'm wrong), the FSO
> > stuff is intended to provide functions which will allow you to make
> > simple DBUS calls  such as "get number $var from PIM manager" and
> > "make call to number $var". Once these are complete, writing your own
> > applications becomes easy. True the first of these example calls
> > requests you integrate the functionality in your own app, but the
> > latter makes problems with dealing with the dialler & the GSM chips &
> > whatever go away. It is FAR more important to provide the community
> > with these tools than it is to provide any kind of application that
> > utilises them (beyond a command-line version which gets numbers from a
> > text-file and operates as a test example). Once these calls are
> > available there will be dozens of PIM managers posted to this list and
> > being written by enthusiastic Python programmers.
> >
> > Stroller.
> >
> >
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Re: qt extended src does not match precompiled

[Lorn Potter]

Glen Ogilvie wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am not sure if I should be talking about this here, or on the qt extended 
> forum which seems fairly quite.  However, I recently downloaded and compiled
> qt-extended-4.4.1.  
> 
> I then compared the /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia directory from 
> qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2 against the files in my 
> build image directory.
> 
> I noticed that althogh most files build much the same, some things were not 
> in 
> the version I compiled from sournce.
> 
> The missing bits are:
> * s60 and smart themes.

> * qterminal
> * libmad

These two are not in the qt extended source package and can be 
downloaded from qtextended.org.

> * facebook intergration
> * profiles

Profiles should be there, otherwise you could not change ringtones. 
Homescreen->Options->profiles

The rest are included in the sources, but you need edit projects.pro and 
add them to get them built.


> 
> Any suggestions would be appricated.  I am also looking for the respoistory 
> (svn / git, etc) for qtextended so I can track the latest development, but 
> have not been able to find it.
> 

There is no official public repository for sources. We are working on 
getting snapshots working still.

4.3 snapshots should start being published today or tomorrow, and 4.4 
should be soon.


There is an unofficial git at:
git://git.asheesh.org/qtopia_snapshot.git


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Re: [Om2008.9] man pages??? && killing events/0

[Alex Osborne]

Matthias Apitz wrote:

>>> 
>>> $ man proc
>>
>> By the way, if you don't have them locally:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=proc+manpage
>
> Don't you think that this answer is too simple? 

I thought it was dead easy.  Why, what sort of hoops do you prefer to
jump through to find a man page? ;-)  Second Google result:

http://linux.die.net/man/5/proc

> I have a lot of Unix
> systems sitting around me, I'm just typing these lines into one, a
> FreeBSD 7.0. I was asking for the man pages matching exactly the Linux
> derivate which is installed in the FR;

Well of course it's going to be different on FreeBSD -- different kernel
-- but the location of the CPU time in /proc is going to be the same as
any other system running the Linux kernel (well at least any that's not
completely ancient anyway).  So the simplest option, as I was suggesting
is just to consult the proc manpage on any random Linux PC and if you
don't have a Linux box handy then Google it, as people have put most of
the man pages online.

> for example where is the man page
> of 'dropbear'?

http://www.google.com/search?q=dropbear+manpage

First result:

http://downloads.openwrt.org/people/nico/man/man8/dropbear.8.html

;-)

Seriously though, if you must have the absolute exact same version for
some reason and don't have a Linux box, just grab the source tarball:

wget http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/dropbear-0.51.tar.bz2
tar -jxvf dropbear-0.51.tar.bz2
cd dropbear-0.51
man ./dropbear.8

Usually manpages aren't installed on embedded systems in the interests
of saving space.

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qt extended src does not match precompiled

[Glen Ogilvie]

Hi,

I am not sure if I should be talking about this here, or on the qt extended 
forum which seems fairly quite.  However, I recently downloaded and compiled
qt-extended-4.4.1.  

I then compared the /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia directory from 
qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2 against the files in my 
build image directory.

I noticed that althogh most files build much the same, some things were not in 
the version I compiled from sournce.

The missing bits are:
* s60 and smart themes.
* qterminal
* libmad
* facebook intergration
* profiles

Any suggestions would be appricated.  I am also looking for the respoistory 
(svn / git, etc) for qtextended so I can track the latest development, but 
have not been able to find it.

Regards
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Re: Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th

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Well done, by me too!

It helped me a lot to follow what happen to Community!
Thank you

Minh Ha Duong wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> welcome to the unofficial Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th 
> issue. The two big news are the launch of opkg.org, an application directory, 
> and Openmoko engineering team focusing back to the basics on Improving user 
> experience.
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_19th%2C_2008#Applications
> 
> Contents
> 
> * 1 Images
> * 2 Applications
> * 3 Good fixes and discussed issues
> * 4 Community
> * 5 Outside Openmoko
> 
> Images
> 
> Things were rather quiet on the distribution front. Rasterman's October 11th 
> images (source) were put online. This is not really a distribution, but 
> rather a demonstration that illume runs well and is so beautiful, for others 
> distros to grab. We also saw daily SHR image builds online, no release yet 
> but available for testing. And Qi, the next bootloader, recently got resume 
> support.Testing shows that it is much faster than uboot indeed, but no 
> release yet either.
> 
> Applications
> 
> Everybody applauded when Tobias announced http://opkg.org , an online 
> directory of applications (think Freshmeat, Tucows...). The database is 
> community-driven, everybody can register and index applications. In the flow 
> of community developped utilities, I noticed:
> 
> * the initial release of OpenMooCow, a nice, funny and useless bovine 
> noise simulator.
> * Optimizations on Rotate. This is an interesting example of competition 
> and cooperation (community development, if you prefer), because there are 
> many versions being developed in parallel, with ideas jumping across all the 
> time.
> * The Gestures GSoC project developper managed to convince his academic 
> instructors to let him code on the FreeRunner for his degree. Future 
> developments coming at http://AccelSense.org
> * Auxlaunch is a very simple, finger-friendly application launcher and 
> window switcher for the Freerunner. It appears when the "AUX" button is 
> pressed. 
> 
> With respect to porting other applications to our favorite platform, I read 
> that Intel's made powertop actually runs on the FreeRunner. This is an very 
> handy utility that allows to measure and therefore optimize power usage. 
> Also:
> 
> * FBReader an e-book reader programme now available for Debian and 2008.8
> * Sander ported Pingus the free lemmings clone, for OE based 
> distributions 
> (it was already available on Debian).
> * In addition to minimo, openmoko-browser2, and midori, we saw a bunch of 
> light and fast web browsers announced on the mailing list: Fennec), Dillo 
> (ipk), NetSurf and links2. That makes about seven, working more or less well. 
> Choice, choice, choice...
> * The same is happening for music players: pythm, openmoko-mediaplayer2, 
> qtopia media player, deforaOS-player, qmmp, sonata, quasar. Thomas's K. also 
> started a mediaplayer. So far I think that your best friend is mplayer from 
> the command line interface (and on 2008.8, I think that mplayer is directly 
> connected to OSS, so installing OSS compatibility packages probably help. And 
> removing pulseaudio also saves tons of CPU cycles) 
> 
> Good fixes and discussed issues
> 
> Many good news:
> 
> * There is a fix for ticket 2038 about Qtopia USSD requests, so that 
> dialing "*123" or "#4" should work soon.
> * There is a fix for ticket 1024, the GSM keeps reregistering bug, a.k.a. 
> bouncing Calypso issue. The workaround is to prevent the modem from entering 
> deep sleep, and it has been commited to the QTopia images already.
> * Powersaving patches landed in stable-2.6.26 on October 8th. Note to 
> application developpers: the best way to blank the screen to conserve power 
> is the fbdev-ioctl method. I think that xset s 5 should do it. Thanks to the 
> Harald and the Swisscom research project !
> * OM announced two hires: Ray Chao, to work full-time in Taipei on the 
> infrastructure, and Christopher Hall, a very experienced software engineer.
> * Infrastructure-wise, unstable development of OM is moving back to OE. 
> 
> Too many bugs remain, see Test reports for example. Most of the grief heard 
> these days was about Digital Audio Playing and Wifi. I would like to make an 
> unrequested announcement for the sake of the good vertical communication: 
> Kernels currently has the APM power management interface is still compiled 
> in. This has been deprecated for years and is doomed to go away. Hopefully 
> apm -s will still work for suspend, but userspace applications that still use 
> the deprecated apm interface SHOULD take action, preferably sooner than 
> later.
> 
> Community
> 
> * Openmoko's engineers reunited for a 3 weeks workshop in Taipei. They 
> decided to focus back on the basics, that is to leave the Installer, 

Re: Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th

[Risto H. Kurppa]

Well done Minh, this is really important work!

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Re: [Om2008.9] man pages??? && killing events/0

[Neil Caldwell]

http://www.google.com/search?q=man+page+dropbear

its in several places down that list.

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Re: Partitionning separate /home/ floder to SD

[Linus Gasser]

Joel Newkirk a écrit :
> When (if) I get my FR where I plan to retain the same installation
> long-term, I intend to carve up the 8gb uSD and have /dev/mmcblk0p3 as
> /home.  (partition #2 as swap, #1 as alternate boot)

Did the same thing here (swapped swap and home). This is the important 
part of my fstab, if it helps someone:

# microSD slot
/dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/card autodefaults,async,noauto   0  0
/dev/mmcblk0p2  /home   ext2defaults,async  0  0
/dev/mmcblk0p3  none swap   sw 0 0


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Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th

[Minh Ha Duong]

Hello everybody,

welcome to the unofficial Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th 
issue. The two big news are the launch of opkg.org, an application directory, 
and Openmoko engineering team focusing back to the basics on Improving user 
experience.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_19th%2C_2008#Applications

Contents

* 1 Images
* 2 Applications
* 3 Good fixes and discussed issues
* 4 Community
* 5 Outside Openmoko

Images

Things were rather quiet on the distribution front. Rasterman's October 11th 
images (source) were put online. This is not really a distribution, but 
rather a demonstration that illume runs well and is so beautiful, for others 
distros to grab. We also saw daily SHR image builds online, no release yet 
but available for testing. And Qi, the next bootloader, recently got resume 
support.Testing shows that it is much faster than uboot indeed, but no 
release yet either.

Applications

Everybody applauded when Tobias announced http://opkg.org , an online 
directory of applications (think Freshmeat, Tucows...). The database is 
community-driven, everybody can register and index applications. In the flow 
of community developped utilities, I noticed:

* the initial release of OpenMooCow, a nice, funny and useless bovine 
noise simulator.
* Optimizations on Rotate. This is an interesting example of competition 
and cooperation (community development, if you prefer), because there are 
many versions being developed in parallel, with ideas jumping across all the 
time.
* The Gestures GSoC project developper managed to convince his academic 
instructors to let him code on the FreeRunner for his degree. Future 
developments coming at http://AccelSense.org
* Auxlaunch is a very simple, finger-friendly application launcher and 
window switcher for the Freerunner. It appears when the "AUX" button is 
pressed. 

With respect to porting other applications to our favorite platform, I read 
that Intel's made powertop actually runs on the FreeRunner. This is an very 
handy utility that allows to measure and therefore optimize power usage. 
Also:

* FBReader an e-book reader programme now available for Debian and 2008.8
* Sander ported Pingus the free lemmings clone, for OE based distributions 
(it was already available on Debian).
* In addition to minimo, openmoko-browser2, and midori, we saw a bunch of 
light and fast web browsers announced on the mailing list: Fennec), Dillo 
(ipk), NetSurf and links2. That makes about seven, working more or less well. 
Choice, choice, choice...
* The same is happening for music players: pythm, openmoko-mediaplayer2, 
qtopia media player, deforaOS-player, qmmp, sonata, quasar. Thomas's K. also 
started a mediaplayer. So far I think that your best friend is mplayer from 
the command line interface (and on 2008.8, I think that mplayer is directly 
connected to OSS, so installing OSS compatibility packages probably help. And 
removing pulseaudio also saves tons of CPU cycles) 

Good fixes and discussed issues

Many good news:

* There is a fix for ticket 2038 about Qtopia USSD requests, so that 
dialing "*123" or "#4" should work soon.
* There is a fix for ticket 1024, the GSM keeps reregistering bug, a.k.a. 
bouncing Calypso issue. The workaround is to prevent the modem from entering 
deep sleep, and it has been commited to the QTopia images already.
* Powersaving patches landed in stable-2.6.26 on October 8th. Note to 
application developpers: the best way to blank the screen to conserve power 
is the fbdev-ioctl method. I think that xset s 5 should do it. Thanks to the 
Harald and the Swisscom research project !
* OM announced two hires: Ray Chao, to work full-time in Taipei on the 
infrastructure, and Christopher Hall, a very experienced software engineer.
* Infrastructure-wise, unstable development of OM is moving back to OE. 

Too many bugs remain, see Test reports for example. Most of the grief heard 
these days was about Digital Audio Playing and Wifi. I would like to make an 
unrequested announcement for the sake of the good vertical communication: 
Kernels currently has the APM power management interface is still compiled 
in. This has been deprecated for years and is doomed to go away. Hopefully 
apm -s will still work for suspend, but userspace applications that still use 
the deprecated apm interface SHOULD take action, preferably sooner than 
later.

Community

* Openmoko's engineers reunited for a 3 weeks workshop in Taipei. They 
decided to focus back on the basics, that is to leave the Installer, 
Locations, Diversity and Settings applications alone for a while. This 
decision was very positively received by everybody. John Lee is assembling 
the engineering task force at OpenMoko for that. He started by initiating a 
thread to hear about what the community expects most urgently. As a result, 
his priorities are posted in the Improving user e

Re: [Om2008.9] man pages??? && killing events/0

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Monday, October 20, 2008 a las 11:20:45AM +1100, Alex Osborne escribió:

> Alex Osborne wrote:
> > Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > 
> >> how can I ask for the actual
> >> CPU time of a proc? I was thinking in something like 'cat /proc/5/...'
> >> but have no man pages about the /proc layout :-(
> > 
> > $ man proc
> 
> By the way, if you don't have them locally:
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=proc+manpage

Hi Alex,

Don't you think that this answer is too simple? I have a lot of Unix
systems sitting around me, I'm just typing these lines into one, a
FreeBSD 7.0. I was asking for the man pages matching exactly the Linux
derivate which is installed in the FR; for example where is the man page
of 'dropbear'?

TIA

matthias
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Re: [OSX] AJZaurusUSB bug fix project

[Peter Neubauer]

Hi,
I tried the new version and noticed that directly after the install I
got the interface coming up repeatedly when I plugged/unplugged the FR
in the networking preferences. However, after restart, only the first
time I get the interface coming up connected, upon
unplugging/reconnecting the USB cable nothing happens, until I restart
my Laptop for another working on time connection.

Is that the current state of affairs or am I missing something?

/peter

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On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Here is the main link:
>> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=AJZaurusUSB
>>
>> Sources:
>> http://www.dsitri.de/download/AJZaurusUSB-0.5.4-src.tgz
>>
>> Please ask if you need support for debugging.
>
> I noticed that there was a bug in the installer package - so you
> probably won't have had any installtion result.
>
> Please look if you find the AJZaurusUSB.kext on the root level on your
> Mac (ls -l /). In that case, please
> delete and use the new installer.
>
>> http://www.dsitri.de/download/AJZaurusUSB-0.5.4.1.tgz
>
> Nikolaus
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