Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience
I must admit I never tried 2007.2 - but the things I read about it suggested that it also wasn't very stable - people recommended using Qtopia if you wanted a stable phone experience. Does 2007.2 really provide a rock-solid phone/sms experience? No. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One more rotate version
Sarton O'Brien ha scritto: Speaking of formatting ... I imagine there's a reply in there somewhere :P On Tuesday 21 October 2008 01:31:21 DJDAS wrote: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head /head .. /body /html Sorry :P Sent in HTML. I simply suggested a man indent ;) Bye! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] installer script
Matthew Lane wrote: Hey all, I'm trying to install Debian on the freerunner using the install.sh script. I keep getting stuck at Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. and then my script exits. I've tried individually installing, but after the install step the script fails to install. I've added a u-boot environment boot option to lower the clock to 10,000,000 as instructed on the bug report here: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 After booting with this option, without going into suspend, and after killing qpe: DASH_BINSH=false SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all The script terminates after the partition stage. I'm using a SanDisk 8GB uSDHC card. I'm using the latest GTA02v5_and_up NAND u-boot. I think I remember seeing some more instructions, but I can't seem to find them anywhere. Anyone have an idea of how to proceed from here? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Have you tried on the 512MB that the majority of FreeRunner's ship with? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Om2008.9] AtChat talking every second to SIM
Hello, I was looking a bit through the output of logread and I'm asking me if it is normal (and necessary in the sense of power consumption) that 'qpe' is talking every second to the SIM to ask for the signal level of the GSM: Oct 21 11:34:28 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : AT+CSQ Oct 21 11:34:28 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : +CSQ: 20,99 Oct 21 11:34:28 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : OK Oct 21 11:34:30 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : AT+CSQ Oct 21 11:34:30 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : +CSQ: 20,99 Oct 21 11:34:30 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : OK Oct 21 11:34:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : AT+CSQ Oct 21 11:34:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : +CSQ: 20,99 Oct 21 11:34:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : OK Oct 21 11:34:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : AT+CSQ Oct 21 11:34:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : +CSQ: 20,99 Oct 21 11:34:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : OK Any comment? Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] AtChat talking every second to SIM
Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I was looking a bit through the output of logread and I'm asking me if it is normal (and necessary in the sense of power consumption) that 'qpe' is talking every second to the SIM to ask for the signal level of the GSM: Oct 21 11:34:28 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : AT+CSQ Oct 21 11:34:28 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : +CSQ: 20,99 Oct 21 11:34:28 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : OK Oct 21 11:34:30 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : AT+CSQ Oct 21 11:34:30 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : +CSQ: 20,99 Oct 21 11:34:30 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : OK Oct 21 11:34:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : AT+CSQ Oct 21 11:34:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : +CSQ: 20,99 Oct 21 11:34:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : OK Oct 21 11:34:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : AT+CSQ Oct 21 11:34:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : +CSQ: 20,99 Oct 21 11:34:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : OK Any comment? Thx every second (or two, as the case may be) might be a bit extreme, but this is just getting the signal quality. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Debian/FSO] Reliable restart of zhone?
I'm having some issues with Zhone. Sometimes I cant answer a call, sometimes Zhone loses its connection with the gsm network withouth notifying me. Maybe the bugs are in Zhone, maybe they are in frameworkd, but how do I restart Zhone/frameworkd reliably? -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joel Newkirk wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:54:45 +0100, Arigead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't want to hijack the thread this stems from Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable but I mentioned there that external links from a wiki might not be the best idea and that I was having problems with external GPRS instructions linked from the relevant wiki page. Continued at the bottom of this: Nishit Dave wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 1:50 AM, Arigead [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is an external link on the GPRS wiki page to a German site for installing the GSM Multiplexor and a GUI. I've been trying to get those instructions to work for the last couple of days. I assume I'm Just a note on this. I've followed this (altered slightly as noted on the Wiki itself) several times successfully, several images. About a month ago the mokoservicescripts.tar.gz file vanished, but a link later in the thread pointed to a mirror, where mokoscripts_r.tar.gz was available, same content. But now that mirror is gone as well it seems. If anyone wants the file and can't find it elsewhere, I've got it at http://newkirk.us/om/mokoscripts_r.tar.gz. (I ended up stuffing that and a few other non-feed items in that folder and installing from a script whenever I reflashed) Thankfully that is unnecessary with frameworkd running the show. I'm dual-booting right now between 2008.8u and Raster+FSO, and I love where things are going. FSO includes the multiplexer and a complete dbus interface to it all, so that I can start up GPRS with just mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext internet3.voicestream.com x x out of the box, no configuration or headache, while GSM.PDP.DeactivateContext brings it back down. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Wiki Instructions: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS#Option_1:_With_GSM_multiplexing_and_with_a_GUI Finally got this GPRS sort of working :-) I put together a shell script of the steps I've taken to get this far. A lot of issues I had involved installing from various repositories. I basically add the angstrom repository for gsm0710muxd and then remove it again for all the rest. Now I can do a gprson and gprsoff and I get a connection but the service GUI does not open and just pops up an error screen and states that it's writing a log file to /home/root/Services.log but it does not do that at all. I can't see an error message on logread either. I might look into it but I'm just happy to have an IP address and I'll rig up a desktop file for gprson and gprsoff Thanks for all your pointers along the way -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI/atsXlbjSJ5n4BARAmFhAKCYbX91Ja42aTR42QrAoIvgg/l57wCgytNW zwXg6fbZK8kGD3TrjTJZ5KE= =2n+j -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] AtChat talking every second to SIM
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:58, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I was looking a bit through the output of logread and I'm asking me if it is normal (and necessary in the sense of power consumption) that 'qpe' is talking every second to the SIM to ask for the signal level of the GSM: Any comment? Thx every second (or two, as the case may be) might be a bit extreme, but this is just getting the signal quality. I also noticed that without sim card, it keeps trying to communicate with it continuously. I do not know if it is resource consuming ? (is gsm off in such a case ? Or does it suck battery a little more ?) Polling SIM module wihtout card so often is not needed, especially since we cannot change SIM card without taking battery out (granted it could be done when plugged in) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: netfix testers?
OK, I posted the updated package to htp://newkirk.us/om/testing/netfix-j2.tar.gz - using 'route' instead of 'ip' now to set up default routes. So the only external dependency should be for resolvconf on SHR and Raster (and I'm guessing FSO). Please test and post results or problems to this thread. j On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:05:33 -0400, Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:46:12 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: I've posted a tarball of my networking fixes to http://newkirk.us/om/testing/netfix-j1.tar.gz, and a writeup on it at http://jthinks.com/better-freerunner-networking for anyone interested. Wiki seemed inappropriate (at least at this time), and the writeup is too long to post on the ML, IMHO. Awesome. I'll upgrade/backup/test at my earliest convenience (prolly a couple of days at this point). I'll let you know how I go. Sarton Thanks! I have to apologize - I just flashed to SHR to test this and (re)discovered that busybox's substitute for 'ip' doesn't support route metrics - I've been installing my own from http://newkirk.us/om/iproute2_2.6.26_armv4t.ipk in my setup script I usually run after flash and forgotten that important factor. I'm pretty sure the older 'route' command substitute in busybox supports metric, will give it a test run. So this solution currently depends on both resolvconf and full (non-busybox) iproute2. Angstrom only has iproute2 packaged for Arm9 IIRC. The resolvconf package (included with 2008.x but not SHR or Raster) is available from the OM repository. Also, if you power up with USB already plugged in, it doesn't bring usb0 up automatically at first, since udev doesn't emit a 'power plugged in' signal - it's necessary to unplug and plug back in. I'll look into triggering at startup as well. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:14:05 +0100, Arigead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wiki Instructions: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS#Option_1:_With_GSM_multiplexing_and_with_a_GUI Finally got this GPRS sort of working :-) I put together a shell script of the steps I've taken to get this far. A lot of issues I had involved installing from various repositories. I basically add the angstrom repository for gsm0710muxd and then remove it again for all the rest. Now I can do a gprson and gprsoff and I get a connection but the service GUI does not open and just pops up an error screen and states that it's writing a log file to /home/root/Services.log but it does not do that at all. I can't see an error message on logread either. The wiki page you used includes the note: ** Once you follow through with all the instructions, you will notice that the Services GUI will crash. This has to do with this bug: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718 The fix is to change the init() call on line 82 of /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/_init_.py to _init() (add an underscore). ** I might look into it but I'm just happy to have an IP address and I'll rig up a desktop file for gprson and gprsoff Thanks for all your pointers along the way But of course. :) j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 16:40 -0400, Warren Baird wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not everyone has those problems, I experienced those problems only a couple times myself but not every call. I actually use mine daily and rarely switch back to my old phone. Only on days where battery life is crucial (such as long road trips without a car charger) although even that is rare for me. I'm actually quite surprised - are you always reliably able to make and receive calls? My experience has been similar to Fredrik Wendt's - when it works, the audio quality is fine - but over a month or so of use as my daily phone (mostly 2008.8/9 and a bit of QTExtended), I had many occurances where I missed calls because the phone was too slow waking up, and I had at least 3 times when the phone got into a strange mode where I couldn't make calls... I had assumed that this was what everyone was experiencing - but maybe I just got a bad unit... Warren No, you are in the vast majority I think - those who can reliably make phone and sms calls are in the minority - if they even exist. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] charging problem?
Matthew Lane wrote: I'm running FDOM and I'm trying to charge off the wall charger, but my AUX light doesn't light up, and my battery meter doesn't change to the bolt; essentially my phone won't charge. It will, however, charge from the computer. Is this a known issue? Also, I have posted three times about the Debian installer script and have gotten no replies, does ANYONE know anything about this script before I try to personally e-mail the guys that wrote it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community same problem with 2008.9 release updated using opkg although even when connected to PC it shows that it is not connecting although the force charging shell script reports it is charging. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner
William Kenworthy wrote: No, you are in the vast majority I think - those who can reliably make phone and sms calls are in the minority - if they even exist. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Those of use using reliably are minority but we do exist. Occasionally the phone will coma on me and require a hard restart (remove battery and reinsert) but this happens less than once a week in most cases. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] charging problem?
Are you using a very recent u-boot. There was one version that had problems like that. BillK On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 06:02 -0600, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Matthew Lane wrote: I'm running FDOM and I'm trying to charge off the wall charger, but my AUX light doesn't light up, and my battery meter doesn't change to the bolt; essentially my phone won't charge. It will, however, charge from the computer. Is this a known issue? Also, I have posted three times about the Debian installer script and have gotten no replies, does ANYONE know anything about this script before I try to personally e-mail the guys that wrote it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community same problem with 2008.9 release updated using opkg although even when connected to PC it shows that it is not connecting although the force charging shell script reports it is charging. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Qtextended] Bluetooth headset
Hi List, Can someone say which bluetooth headset has been found to work the best with FR? Any experience in using it with Qtextended, such as how easy it is to connect, how is the battery drain-out situation, whether it solves the noise and echo problems etc.? If your collective wisdom can provide a good pointer, I can go buy one and start using the FR peacefully. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] charging problem?
Matthew Lane wrote: I'm running FDOM and I'm trying to charge off the wall charger, but my AUX light doesn't light up, and my battery meter doesn't change to the bolt; essentially my phone won't charge. It will, however, charge from the computer. Is this a known issue? I have to unplug the USB cable and plug it back again to start charging. From second try it shows the charging icon and starts charging. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-FDOM--charging-problem--tp1358271p1359313.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] man pages??? killing events/0
El día Tuesday, October 21, 2008 a las 12:51:22PM +1100, Sarton O'Brien escribió: ... You were asking for documentation for _technically_ a 3rd party program included on an embedded system. It makes sense to consult the website of the software or (heaven forbid) search for the man page. Last resort would be to install/extract the software on a system where you can read the documentation, which seems to be your preferred option. ... What I have exactly to checkout from SVN or GIT (?) to get access to the sources of Qtopia's 'qpe' demon which is part of Om2008.9; I've checked our Wiki but I got lost in all the diffrent places given there; thx in advance matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pingus ported
Does Pingus work also on 2007.2? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] man pages??? killing events/0
Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I'm thinking in writing s small script which pops up a box on the FR and asking for reboot if this proc events/0 run away By the way, when events/0 goes nuts I put FR into sleep for couple of minutes by pressing power button. When I wake it up events/0 usually resumes normal behaviour. The longer it sleeps, the better is rate of success, but most of the time couple of minutes is enough. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Om2008.9--man-pages---killing-events-0-tp1351870p1359398.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] AtChat talking every second to SIM
El día Tuesday, October 21, 2008 a las 12:24:57PM +0200, Cédric Berger escribió: every second (or two, as the case may be) might be a bit extreme, but this is just getting the signal quality. I also noticed that without sim card, it keeps trying to communicate with it continuously. I do not know if it is resource consuming ? (is gsm off in such a case ? Or does it suck battery a little more ?) Polling SIM module wihtout card so often is not needed, especially since we cannot change SIM card without taking battery out (granted it could be done when plugged in) On an idle FR with SIM and registered to network this polling costs around 3.1-3.5% of CPU: Cpu(s): 4.2%us, 2.4%sy, 0.0%ni, 93.5%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 1461 root 20 0 82060 23m 15m S 3.1 19.3 1:22.81 qpe I was wondering if this could be configured somewhere... matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Virtualized developer system (was Re: Back to thebasics:improving user experience)
Folks, On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:24:11 +1000, Denis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Jisakiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ¿May I suggest the image being a virtualbox one instead of vmware? Virtualbox is quite fast as well, and there are free (as in speech) versions available for all major distros. Only problem is that the open source does not support usb (but the commercial version is freely downloadable and does). Only free vmware nowadays are the player (no snapshots ability) and the server (too heavyweight, based on tomcat + firefox plugin). +1 I have been using VirtualBox to run a Ubuntu guest for over a year now. Works very well, although I have not tried to connect neo directly to this instance. I ssh to another laptop running ubuntu natively to which I connect the FR. cheers Denis I've not used VirtualBox before, will have to take a look at it. I need to work through the assembly once more anyway to document it better. In the meantime I'll see about cleaning up a bit and figuring out how to package the vmware image up as an appliance. (I'm using the free vmware server, BTW, running under Ubuntu Hardy) I applaud everything done here :-) Ideally, I would like to see that I can run this on a PowerMac (G5) on MacOS 10.5. If all else fails, I'll try to run it on the Ubuntu box I have at home (but I need more RAM than the 128Mb it currently has), of install stuff on it. The reason I asked for this, was to have the 'one true dev. environment', where 'we' could easily jump in and help the OM developers! It would save tons of time if _one_ person did this, instead of everyone on the mailing list... Christ van Willegen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One more rotate version
The more I look at it, the more I think there's more to it than rotation. How about a tool that considers orientation as an input event? E.g. I'd love to be able to say if upside down, lock the screen, and if still upside down after 5s, suspend. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] QT Dbus connection to Gypsy
Ok now I got it:
I can call simple methodes (see below)
But one problem I still have. i don't know what type
Gypsy.Position.GetPosition returns.
When I call it with mdbus it returns:
#mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Position.GetPosition
(dbus.Int32(0), dbus.Int32(0), dbus.Double(49.0120504),
dbus.Double(8.41309354), dbus.Double(172.148))
But when I call GetPosition I have to choose a TYPE and I don't know which!
QDBusReplyTYPE reply = GPSDeviceInterface-call(GetPosition);
I tried to create one but it didn't work:
typedef struct {
long int Fields;
long int TimeStamp;
double Lat;
double Lon;
double Alt;
} GypsyPosition;
any hints???
Greets
Michael
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For interested Some extractions of my current working Code:
#include QtDBus
#include QDBusConnection
#include QDBusInterface
// Connection to system bus
QDBusConnection GPSConnection = QDBusConnection::systemBus();
//check connection
if (GPSConnection.isConnected())
qDebug() connected to system bus \n;
else
qFatal(Failed to connect to session bus);
// create a proxy object for method calls
GPSDeviceInterface = new
QDBusInterface(org.freedesktop.Gypsy,/org/freedesktop/Gypsy,org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device,QDBusConnection::systemBus());
//Call Method - returns 3 if Fix else returns 1
int
MokoGPS::GetFixStatus()
{
QDBusReplyint reply = GPSDeviceInterface-call(GetFixStatus);
FixStatus=reply.value();
qDebug()GetFixStatus Reply: FixStatus\n;
return FixStatus;
}
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Re: One more rotate version
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:17:10AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: The more I look at it, the more I think there's more to it than rotation. How about a tool that considers orientation as an input event? E.g. I'd love to be able to say if upside down, lock the screen, and if still upside down after 5s, suspend. Since projects.openmoko.org isn't working well enough for me, I've created http://code.google.com/omnewrotate Other people working on rotate... if you want to join in, notify me your google email address (they require one). Please don't use my google email address, I don't really use it... Rui -- Pzat! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 2nd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtextended] Bluetooth headset
Can someone say which bluetooth headset has been found to work the best with FR? Any experience in using it with Qtextended, such as how easy it is to connect, how is the battery drain-out situation, whether it solves the noise and echo problems etc.? If your collective wisdom can provide a good pointer, I can go buy one and start using the FR peacefully. I own a Parrot Minikit, which is recognised by the FR in QTE4.4.1. Note: recognised. I can pair it and that's it. When I switch it on later, things die and in the log (logread) I see they die because of a kernel bug... Paul -- Time's fun when you're having flies. -Kermit the Frog http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: netfix testers?
Joel Newkirk wrote: OK, I posted the updated package to htp://newkirk.us/om/testing/netfix-j2.tar.gz - using 'route' instead of 'ip' now to set up default routes. So the only external dependency should be for resolvconf on SHR and Raster (and I'm guessing FSO). Please test and post results or problems to this thread. Sounds good. I'll give it a try when I get the chance. It sounds like it should combine well with dnsmasq or similar. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (OM2008.9) Flashback to QTextended
Yogiz wrote: That has never happened with me. What kernel are you using Additional information: When I switch off auto suspend (suspend = off) the problem does not exist in OM2008.9. Display is on, and stays on while I plug in the USB cable. This is a good thing. I'll try the opkg upgrade thing mentioned by Joel later on. Paul ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Android open sourced
Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! Now that would be cool... Paul -- Time's fun when you're having flies. -Kermit the Frog http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
2008/10/21 Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] time to port to Neo ! I'm going to be watching this with interest! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner
Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: William Kenworthy wrote: No, you are in the vast majority I think - those who can reliably make phone and sms calls are in the minority - if they even exist. BillK Those of use using reliably are minority but we do exist. Occasionally the phone will coma on me and require a hard restart (remove battery and reinsert) but this happens less than once a week in most cases. For certain values of 'reliably' then ;-) That might pass for reliable in the WinCE world, but not here. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
more Freerunner coverage in India
Living digital magazine has done a small write up on the Freerunner in their current issue http://livingdigitalindia.ciol.com/Archive_MagazineArchives_101412_Archives.aspx A more detailed review is expected in their sister magazine, PC Quest, next month. Also for those that missed it, Techtree had also published a detailed review of the Freerunner http://www.techtree.com/India/Reviews/Freerunner/551-93139-612.html So the Freerunner is finally getting some coverage in India Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
WHO :) Let the games begin! On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Sam Kuper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/21 Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] time to port to Neo ! I'm going to be watching this with interest! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
(OM2008.9) Upgrade - update
Right. Ran both upgrade and update. Upgrade went reasonably well, and ended with: Collected errors: * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/angstrom-version_P1-Snapshot-20081014-r1_om-gta02.opk, error 404 * Failed to download angstrom-version. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? So I ran update, which gave me a lot of Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig Signature check failed and ended with a stack of * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 404 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404 Where do I go wrong? Do I need to add/change something? Thanks! pauL -- Time's fun when you're having flies. -Kermit the Frog http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! Hey... it says open-source (you can read the code) not free software (you can do whatever you want)... http://code.google.com/android/terms.html tells : 3.1 Subject to the terms of this License Agreement, Google grants you a limited, worldwide, royalty-free, non- assignable and non-exclusive license to use the SDK solely to develop applications to run on the Android platform. 3.2 (...) 3.3 Except to the extent required by applicable third party licenses, you may not copy (except for backup purposes), modify, adapt, redistribute, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, or create derivative works of the SDK or any part of the SDK. and others, and others and others... restrictions... And for the code itself... http://source.android.com/license/individual-contributor-license---android-open-source-project You have to grant your copyright to Google... I don't want to work non-paid for Google. But please do ! ;) Regards, OdyX -- Swisslinux.org − Le carrefour GNU/Linux en Suisse − http://www.swisslinux.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Quoting a mail we received sometime ago from Koolu Koolu presently supplies other distributors globally for Openmoko Freerunners. Due to this volume we can provide lower prices and value add. In November 2008 we start shipping Freerunner with Android pre installed and supported as an option Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (OM2008.9) Upgrade - update
As long as you are just getting .sig download errors there should be no problems. OPKG seems to have a problem with package signatures Rakshat So I ran update, which gave me a lot of Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig Signature check failed and ended with a stack of * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 404 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404 Where do I go wrong? Do I need to add/change something? Thanks! pauL -- Time's fun when you're having flies. -Kermit the Frog http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 17:48, Didier Raboud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! Hey... it says open-source (you can read the code) not free software (you can do whatever you want)... http://code.google.com/android/terms.html tells : 3.1 Subject to the terms of this License Agreement, Google grants you a limited, worldwide, royalty-free, non- assignable and non-exclusive license to use the SDK solely to develop applications to run on the Android platform. 3.2 (...) 3.3 Except to the extent required by applicable third party licenses, you may not copy (except for backup purposes), modify, adapt, redistribute, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, or create derivative works of the SDK or any part of the SDK. and others, and others and others... restrictions... And for the code itself... http://source.android.com/license/individual-contributor-license---android-open-source-project You have to grant your copyright to Google... I don't want to work non-paid for Google. But please do ! ;) I have not read all yet but Android Open Source Project license The preferred license for the Android Open Source Project is Apache 2.0. Apache 2.0 is a commercial and open source friendly open source license. The majority of the Android platform is licensed under the Apache 2.0 license. While the project will strive to adhere to the preferred license, there may be exceptions which will be handled on a case-by-case basis. For example, the Linux kernel patches are under the GPLv2 license with system exceptions, which can be found on kernel.org . So I guess it is open enough for you to modify it as you want. Probably it is if you want not to fork it that you must adhere to some google specific terms... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (OM2008.9) Upgrade - update
rakshat hooja wrote: As long as you are just getting .sig download errors there should be no problems. OPKG seems to have a problem with package signatures Grand... thank you. Running upgrade again now completed without a problem. Paul ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OM2008.8 - testing] - no desktop icons any more.
hi, is someone on the testing tree of the 2008.8 distro, and solved the icon problem yet? i upgraded to the latest testing 2008.8 packages. I know that there is a problem with the splash screen at boot up, that isn't solved yet. so i disabled the boot screen (btw: that saves 10 seconds boot time) But now i don't have any desktop icons. also the clock-, battery- and signal-panel is at one place now. i restored the old ~/.e directory but that didn't changed anything. some ideas? thx beni ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Hey... it says open-source (you can read the code) not free software (you can do whatever you want)... I don't know why when some people read open-source they understand open to read but not open to modify. Android is released under Apache License version 2, which is considered free software by the FSF, and even compatible with GPLv3 [1]. And for the code itself... http://source.android.com/license/individual-contributor-license---android-open-source-project You have to grant your copyright to Google... I don't want to work non-paid for Google. But please do ! ;) I think that is for contributors, that is, if you want your changes to be merged into Google's Android, you must grant your copyright to Google. This clause let Google do relicensing, and it is not uncommon on other free software projects, such as the GNU project. [1] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Didier Raboud wrote: Hey... it says open-source (you can read the code) not free software (you can do whatever you want)... It appears to be Open Source in the sense that it uses OSI-approved licenses, Apache 2.0 for most code, GPL for kernel patches. Note that both of those licenses are also considered to be free software licenses by FSF (see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses). Do you have some other definition of free software in mind? http://code.google.com/android/terms.html tells : quote from SDK license agreement snipped and others, and others and others... restrictions... Note that those are the terms for the SDK download, not for download or use of the source. And for the code itself... http://source.android.com/license/individual-contributor-license---android-open-source-project You have to grant your copyright to Google... That's only if you want to contribute code back to the project. In that case you have to assign your copyright. Many free/open source projects require a similar grant, including Apache and Gnu/FSF (see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.html). I don't want to work non-paid for Google. But please do ! ;) That of course is your choice. But you are free to work on Android without assigning copyright to Google. Just fork a new Didier-Android project--the licenses let you do that. To me, the key issue is whether Google has in fact open-sourced everything needed to make a working Android distribution for a non-supported platform. I'm not qualified to judge, but I'll be waiting to hear from the experts. The good news is that so far, Google appears to be keeping their promise to open-source Android. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtextended] Bluetooth headset
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone say which bluetooth headset has been found to work the best with FR? Any experience in using it with Qtextended, such as how easy it is to connect, how is the battery drain-out situation, whether it solves the noise and echo problems etc.? If your collective wisdom can provide a good pointer, I can go buy one and start using the FR peacefully. I own a Parrot Minikit, which is recognised by the FR in QTE4.4.1. Note: recognised. I can pair it and that's it. When I switch it on later, things die and in the log (logread) I see they die because of a kernel bug... Thanks, I was testing the bluetooth connection today and realised that once you use the installed script to switch bluetooth off, there is no (known or easy) way to restart it except by rebooting the phone. Any feedback on how it behaves with suspend/resume? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:33:40 you wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'm interested to see if it will be possible to hack it so X11 software works under android, and vice versa so that android software can be run under X11/illume. ^.^ Or if I can't have that or it'd be too slow or something.. I'd like to be able to toggle between virtual consoles to go between one and the other or something like that. And I wonder how much openmoko and debian software and other distros will start seeping into the android designed handsets. I sense a golden age on the horizon :) -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
What my belief is that the Linux license means that anyone who obtains a copy of the Linux Kernel in binary form, irrespective of how they obtained that copy, has a right to the source code used to build that exact Linux kernel binary. Derivative works of the Linux kernel also fall into this category. This right can not be restricted or withheld in any way. That is the reason why Google HAD to release the source code with the release of G1. :) If they were thinking about the open source community, they would have released it a lot earlier :) - Taran On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Daniel Benoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:33:40 you wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'm interested to see if it will be possible to hack it so X11 software works under android, and vice versa so that android software can be run under X11/illume. ^.^ Or if I can't have that or it'd be too slow or something.. I'd like to be able to toggle between virtual consoles to go between one and the other or something like that. And I wonder how much openmoko and debian software and other distros will start seeping into the android designed handsets. I sense a golden age on the horizon :) -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2008.8 - testing] - no desktop icons any more.
On Tuesday 21 October 2008 12:33:04 you wrote: hi, is someone on the testing tree of the 2008.8 distro, and solved the icon problem yet? i upgraded to the latest testing 2008.8 packages. I know that there is a problem with the splash screen at boot up, that isn't solved yet. so i disabled the boot screen (btw: that saves 10 seconds boot time) But now i don't have any desktop icons. I'm in the same boat as you there. Can anyone even shed any light on what the cause of this is? I don't mind a little debugging but it's a bit over my head I don't even know where to start. Also, is active development (or building from git or whatever) happening in the 'testing' instead of 'unstable' ? If that's the case then I misunderstood the purposes of the feeds and should have went with stable. also the clock-, battery- and signal-panel is at one place now. i restored the old ~/.e directory but that didn't changed anything. I fixed this by removing and reinstalling illume-theme-asu, and then installing illume-theme-illume (I believe this is also necessary in order to get the illume keyboard I like, but it also fixed the problem with all those little icons being squished into the same place and tiny.) thx beni ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner
Qtextended is probably the most stable at this point, and that has it's caveats. Incoming calls are always registered as missed calls. Incoming calls are always answered as speakerphone, instead of handset. I'm not sure if there is a setting for it, but I haven't been able to find it. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it as I hate having to remember to switch it to handset after I answer a call. Often, accessing the keyboard after a call starts is impossible, which makes it difficult when you have to navigate through a company VM menu. You can use the Smart theme which works a little better but you will need to use the stylus to access the .5 x .5 dialpad the comes up in a call. SMS messages received will often double themselves, or show five or six times the amount of new messages in the New Message alert. Select All-Move to Trash works sometimes, sometimes not, and it will often redownload them from the SMS server after the phone crashes/hangs/doesn't-come-out-of-suspend and requires a hard restart which, for me, is about every two or three days. Using the stylus is almost a necessity; you're not going to have much luck using your finger for anything other than the largest, most well-divided buttons. Even on the menus, you'll find yourself selecting the wrong entry over and over (fingernails are not much of an option for me. I'm a guitarist and keep them pretty short.) The dockable qwerty keyboard works moderately well for composing messages with the stylus, but the arrow keys don't work in the terminal, so be prepared to type commands over and over, as the bash/ash history is not accessible. The predictive text keyboard is mostly unusable due to the inability after a word or two to change keyboard types or erase characters. I don't use the alarm so I can't comment on the issues others have had with that module. MP3 playback is pointless as it stutters constantly. WEP wireless connections seem to only be available via command line. I can't connect via WEP by the GUI, so I just wrote a script to do it. Even that is weird, as I have to follow the following sequence to get that to work: iwconfig eth0 essid my_ap enc my_encryption_key; sleep 2; iwconfig eth0 essid any; sleep 2; udhcpd eth0; The first time I call the script it fails. so I control-C it, and run it again (the up arrow on the keyboard would be very handy here in the terminal.) The second time it works and gets an IP address, however it seems resolvconf is not updated (even though the DNS addresses are in resolv.conf) as I can't ping by DNS, only IP. Now, if i run it a third time it works like a charm. I don't know if this is something odd with my network and the card on the Neo, or what but my laptop connects fine with Ubuntu. These things of course have all been filed as bugs already AFAIK. If there are fixes for anything I've mentioned here, I'd love to apply them. I'm not sure if the phone is just grossly underpowered for what we are trying to do with it (MP3 playback) or if it's just that the software has a lng way to go before being usable as a day-to-day phone with some extra PDA features. So, in conclusion, I'd say there are a lot less expensive gadget phones out there that do more and will not result in your hair turning gray prematurely. The Neo is a wonderful idea, just not implemented very well I guess. The design is nice, it's case feels better in your hand than any other phone I've used. It's nice to have linux on my phone and be able to do all the things I'd do with my laptop or desktop, but without GPRS or 3G availability, it's kind of silly. If I have access to wireless APs, I'll have my laptop most likely, so why use the phone for that stuff? The display resolution is crisp and many people have commented to me on that. I like the phone, I just can't use it without a lot of finger digit acrobatics. /rambling -Tom Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: William Kenworthy wrote: No, you are in the vast majority I think - those who can reliably make phone and sms calls are in the minority - if they even exist. BillK Those of use using reliably are minority but we do exist. Occasionally the phone will coma on me and require a hard restart (remove battery and reinsert) but this happens less than once a week in most cases. For certain values of 'reliably' then ;-) That might pass for reliable in the WinCE world, but not here. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Tarandeep Gill wrote: What my belief is that the Linux license means that anyone who obtains a copy of the Linux Kernel in binary form, irrespective of how they obtained that copy, has a right to the source code used to build that exact Linux kernel binary. Derivative works of the Linux kernel also fall into this category. This right can not be restricted or withheld in any way. That is the reason why Google HAD to release the source code with the release of G1. :) If they were thinking about the open source community, they would have released it a lot earlier :) They've had a public kernel git repository with their changes since at least last November: http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20071108.075502.4ff93ee7.html Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO-testing] Good news for 19/10/2008 image
Hi, where can a FSO image from 19/10/2008 be found? I can only see one from 11-spet-08 at http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ Thank you for any hint ;-) cheers Markus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Qtextended] Clue, just a clue about everlasting sleep problem
The clock turned from 11:59pm to 0:00 hours of 22 October, and my FR woke up automatically from suspend. Is this, and other tricks it may be trying when humans are asleep, the reason for its battery mysteriously going dead overnight? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO-testing] Good news for 19/10/2008 image
Hi, found it ;-) FSO images can be found at http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/images/ SHR images at http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ sorry for asking too early ;-) cheers Markus Am Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2008 20:27:54 schrieb Markus Schlichting: Hi, where can a FSO image from 19/10/2008 be found? I can only see one from 11-spet-08 at http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ Thank you for any hint ;-) cheers Markus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: netfix testers?
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:29:30 +0100, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: OK, I posted the updated package to htp://newkirk.us/om/testing/netfix-j2.tar.gz - using 'route' instead of 'ip' now to set up default routes. So the only external dependency should be for resolvconf on SHR and Raster (and I'm guessing FSO). Please test and post results or problems to this thread. Sounds good. I'll give it a try when I get the chance. It sounds like it should combine well with dnsmasq or similar. I've been using djbdns dnscache. You just need the cache startup to also invoke echo 'nameserver 127.0.0.1' | resolvconf -a lo and it always uses local cache first, drops to next priority if cache is broken or stopped. You can also stuff a custom script in /etc/resolvconf/update.d that will be able to take the prioritized nameservers and update your cache to use them as upstream caches. (I've an example script for dnscache, but it expects it to be running under the full daemontools+tcpserver setup whereas I run it as a simple standalone service) http://newkirk.us/om/dnscache_2.1.5_armv4t.ipk ;) j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO-testing] Good news for 19/10/2008 image
http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/ Markus Schlichting schrieb: Hi, where can a FSO image from 19/10/2008 be found? I can only see one from 11-spet-08 at http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ Thank you for any hint ;-) cheers Markus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- exactt technology Dipl. Inf. (FH) Max Giesbert Schießstättstr. 16 T: +49 17 75 07 53 44 D-80339 München F: +49 89 1 22 21 97 02 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo (which I have shelved until such a thing exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in stability. I am very happy to see Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off the dust and help port it! -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Anyone interested in mentoring?
I've owned my freerunner since july and have tinkered with it a lot trying out everything you guys throw out there. But I honestly don't know much about what I am doing... I'm to the point where I'd love to actually submit helpful bug reports and be able to SSH into my freerunner which I can't figure out how to put all the steps together for it to work for me. I guess I know enough to get me in trouble, but I also know enough to undo what I did to get out of trouble also. What I am asking is for someone to be willing to help me understand what I'm doing so that I can become helpful instead of dangerous. In the end, I would like to produce a better how-to less technical than what is available now to help others get started who are lost in technical data and instructions. Jason Cawood ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
tis 2008-10-21 klockan 17:48 +0200 skrev Didier Raboud: Cédric Berger wrote: You have to grant your copyright to Google... This is because of yow copyright works, it's the same with GNU so _that_ part really shouldn't hurt if Google had chosen a FOSS style license ... / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved
On Monday 13 October 2008 15:12:55 Daniel Nöthen wrote: Hello, I finally found a place in the qtopia sources where I could put code for activating the echo suppression for every incoming/outgoing call. I'm quite sure that experienced qtopia programmers would find a better place for it. But this just works. And as long as no other solution is out there I will share it with other people who want to combat the echo. Sorry, I'm late to the party, tick applied a patch to Qtopia so I basicly just want to understand. Why is sending this command only once not enough? Will it be reset after a call? Any usage of alsactl should not have any influence on the modem itself. explanations welcome and thanks for scratching your itch. z. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSM buzz and gsmhandset.state
Hi all!
The GSM buzzing noise was unbearable for anybody I called, and it was
indeed louder than my voice - that's why I had a look at the wolfson data
sheet and the ALSA channel map on the wiki and fiddled a bit...
First thing I noticed was that according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/
images/2/2c/WM8753_BlockDiagram_GSM_handset.png , the recorded audio was
routed through one of the PGAs on the GTA01. For a reason I could not
find anywhere, it is now routed directly from MIC_MUX to the Mono mixer
on the right side of the diagram on GTA02.
Switching 'Mic Sidetone Mux' (control 63) to either of the PGAs (left or
right) immediately lowers interference noise by an enormous amount at the
same 'Mono Playback Volume' (control 5).
Routing audio through ALC_MIX and subsequently the left PGA did lower the
volume for the called person a bit.
With the modified gsmhandset.state, the buzzing noise is occasionally
fading in and out and has a very low volume in comparison to the previous
state. With a bit of luck, buzzing fades out at some point and does not
return for 40 seconds or so.
Changes to om-testing daily feed gsmhandset.state (20081020):
control.4 'Speaker Playback Volume' lowered to 100 from 127 to reduce
echo for call(ed|ing) person.
control.12 'Mono Sidetone Playback Volume' increased to 6 from 2
control.48 'Mic2 Capture Volume' increased to 2 from 0
control.63 'Mic Sidetone Mux' set to 'Right PGA'
Hope this helps somebody apart from me to use the FreeRunner as a
phone. :)
Greetings,
Jan
For convenience, the whole modified gsmhandset.state file:
state.neo1973gta02 {
control.1 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 255'
iface MIXER
name 'PCM Volume'
value.0 0
value.1 0
}
control.2 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 255'
iface MIXER
name 'ADC Capture Volume'
value.0 0
value.1 0
}
control.3 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 127'
iface MIXER
name 'Headphone Playback Volume'
value.0 0
value.1 0
}
control.4 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 127'
iface MIXER
name 'Speaker Playback Volume'
value.0 100
value.1 100
}
control.5 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 1
comment.range '0 - 127'
iface MIXER
name 'Mono Playback Volume'
value 103
}
control.6 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 7'
iface MIXER
name 'Bypass Playback Volume'
value.0 7
value.1 7
}
control.7 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 7'
iface MIXER
name 'Sidetone Playback Volume'
value.0 0
value.1 0
}
control.8 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 7'
iface MIXER
name 'Voice Playback Volume'
value.0 0
value.1 0
}
control.9 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type BOOLEAN
comment.count 2
iface MIXER
name 'Headphone Playback ZC Switch'
value.0 false
value.1 false
}
control.10 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type BOOLEAN
comment.count 2
iface MIXER
name 'Speaker Playback ZC Switch'
value.0 false
value.1 false
}
control.11 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 1
comment.range '0 - 7'
iface MIXER
name 'Mono Bypass Playback Volume'
value 0
}
control.12 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type
Re: Re: [Debian] installer script
No, I have not tried the 512mb card (it's at home and I'm at college). I'm not sure how to do what you're talking about arne, but you're suggesting that I can install a base system and put Debian on that? Can you point me in the correct direction? Also, my 8gb uSDHC card works: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 8168 MB, 8168931328 bytes 4 heads, 16 sectors/track, 249296 cylinders Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 = 32768 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 2457832 4 FAT16 32M /dev/mmcblk0p2 246 249296 7969632 83 Linux Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: div class=moz-text-flowed style=font-family: -moz-fixedMatthew Lane wrote: Hey all, I'm trying to install Debian on the freerunner using the install.sh script. I keep getting stuck at Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. and then my script exits. I've tried individually installing, but after the install step the script fails to install. I've added a u-boot environment boot option to lower the clock to 10,000,000 as instructed on the bug report here: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 After booting with this option, without going into suspend, and after killing qpe: DASH_BINSH=false SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all The script terminates after the partition stage. I'm using a SanDisk 8GB uSDHC card. I'm using the latest GTA02v5_and_up NAND u-boot. I think I remember seeing some more instructions, but I can't seem to find them anywhere. Anyone have an idea of how to proceed from here? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Have you tried on the 512MB that the majority of FreeRunner's ship with? /div ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] installer script
Matthew Lane wrote: No, I have not tried the 512mb card (it's at home and I'm at college). I'm not sure how to do what you're talking about arne, but you're suggesting that I can install a base system and put Debian on that? Can you point me in the correct direction? He was saying if you had your 512 to install debian on the 512 and the copy the data from that to your 8gb card -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! Maybe we should setup a Neo branch on Androids GIT, and start to collaborate on the port? Anyone else interested? -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Google Android on Neo Freerunner?
Hi, this is my first post to the list. Now that Google has released the source code of Android, are there any plans to port it to the Neo Freerunner? Thanks, Jake ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! Maybe we should setup a Neo branch on Androids GIT, and start to collaborate on the port? Anyone else interested? I'm no programmer but I'd love to test out daily builds and report back my findings. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google Android on Neo Freerunner?
Jake Beard wrote: Hi, this is my first post to the list. Now that Google has released the source code of Android, are there any plans to port it to the Neo Freerunner? Thanks, Jake ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Jake, There's already a whole thread about this titled Android open sourced. It appears that talks about porting have already started. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Everybody ;) -- Denis Galvão AsteriskBrasil.org On 21/10/2008, at 18:11, Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! Maybe we should setup a Neo branch on Androids GIT, and start to collaborate on the port? Anyone else interested? -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Maybe we should setup a Neo branch on Androids GIT, and start to collaborate on the port? Anyone else interested? I'm no programmer but I'd love to test out daily builds and report back my findings. -Shawn The same for me, I am also testing FDOM and Debian. Levy 'Lewis' S. Google Talk! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 12913566 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One more rotate version
Hey guys, I have spend more time optimizing the code and fixing bugs of my previous release. So here are the changes compared with my previous version: - Fixed a memleak - Changed the angle, which is required to initiate a rotation from 22.5° to 15° - Added a workaround for a bug in the input driver - fewer false positives - Reduced CPU time even more (when in idle it consumes about 600% fewer CPU cycles compared Rui's version. Non-idle workloads are hard to measure but the usage should be _at_least_ equal) - Achieved by introducing a hack, which might break if some parts of the system are compiled with different cflags. So please report if it is not working for you - Uses exactly 760 byte RAM now. - Added more comments - It's actually usable now (imo) - BUT: The accelerometers stop working after a while bug persists - Sorry Rui, still no patch for your version I hope you enjoy it. -- Fabian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:52:02AM -0700, Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo Ya t'ink? exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in stability. I am very happy to see Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off the dust and help port it! Let's hope that when you remove the proprietary crap you don't end up with a console prompt (or not much more...) Rui ps: yes, I'm not very hopeful of Google Android as a Free Software phone, it doesn't look very much like one... -- All Hail Discordia! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 2nd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! Maybe we should setup a Neo branch on Androids GIT, and start to collaborate on the port? Anyone else interested? Ok well I have started :) the repo sync fails as the webkit repo appears to be down, so I'll try again later. I suspect there will be kernel work required, I'm more comfortable with Java so will work on that end, any volunteers to work on the kernel part of Android? -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One more rotate version
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:26:41PM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote: Hey guys, I have spend more time optimizing the code and fixing bugs of my previous release. So here are the changes compared with my previous version: - Fixed a memleak - Changed the angle, which is required to initiate a rotation from 22.5° to 15° - Added a workaround for a bug in the input driver - fewer false positives - Reduced CPU time even more (when in idle it consumes about 600% fewer CPU cycles compared Rui's version. Non-idle workloads are hard to measure but the usage should be _at_least_ equal) - Achieved by introducing a hack, which might break if some parts of the system are compiled with different cflags. So please report if it is not working for you - Uses exactly 760 byte RAM now. - Added more comments - It's actually usable now (imo) - BUT: The accelerometers stop working after a while bug persists - Sorry Rui, still no patch for your version I hope you enjoy it. It's easier now! http://code.google.com/p/omnewrotate/ Rui -- Kallisti! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 2nd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One more rotate version
On 21.10.2008 at 22:26:41, Fabian Henze wrote: Hey guys, I have spend more time optimizing the code and fixing bugs of my previous release. So here are the changes compared with my previous version: - Fixed a memleak - Changed the angle, which is required to initiate a rotation from 22.5° to 15° - Added a workaround for a bug in the input driver - fewer false positives - Reduced CPU time even more (when in idle it consumes about 600% fewer CPU cycles compared Rui's version. Non-idle workloads are hard to measure but the usage should be _at_least_ equal) - Achieved by introducing a hack, which might break if some parts of the system are compiled with different cflags. So please report if it is not working for you - Uses exactly 760 byte RAM now. - Added more comments - It's actually usable now (imo) - BUT: The accelerometers stop working after a while bug persists - Sorry Rui, still no patch for your version I hope you enjoy it. Whoops forgot the files. P.S. @Rui: you google code link seems broken. accel-rotate-allyouneed.tar.bz2 Description: application/bzip-compressed-tar rotate.tar.bz2 Description: application/bzip-compressed-tar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One more rotate version
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:33:49PM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote: On 21.10.2008 at 22:26:41, Fabian Henze wrote: Hey guys, I have spend more time optimizing the code and fixing bugs of my previous release. So here are the changes compared with my previous version: - Fixed a memleak - Changed the angle, which is required to initiate a rotation from 22.5° to 15° - Added a workaround for a bug in the input driver - fewer false positives - Reduced CPU time even more (when in idle it consumes about 600% fewer CPU cycles compared Rui's version. Non-idle workloads are hard to measure but the usage should be _at_least_ equal) - Achieved by introducing a hack, which might break if some parts of the system are compiled with different cflags. So please report if it is not working for you - Uses exactly 760 byte RAM now. - Added more comments - It's actually usable now (imo) - BUT: The accelerometers stop working after a while bug persists - Sorry Rui, still no patch for your version I hope you enjoy it. Whoops forgot the files. P.S. @Rui: you google code link seems broken. Forgot a P: http://code.google.com/p/omnewrotate/ -- Grudnuk demand sustenance! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 2nd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'm not sure about the licensing. Will Android be a really open Platform forever. Ok, they have to use GPL for the Kernel but the use a bsd licensed libc. But a phone Distributor could switch such component, more or less easy ;), at any time. An the other thing is, assuming Android will be the perfect mobile platform in the future, there is still the issue to port Android to a specific Phone. The first Google Phone, HTC G1, ist only availaible if you buy it whit a contract, an then its already really tight to google services. I think if you try to use such a google distributed phone in a free way with your open Android you are standing without the proper hardware support, because the drivers will be for sure not be opensource. By the way the G1, shouldnt work that great at all, at this time and near future. I'm guess I'm just worried the whole Android thing pretends just in the beginning to be opensource until its nessacery for becoming a successor. Cheers, Joe ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
I have owned the android-internals.org and android-linux.org domains since last year, waiting for this day, and the former has a wiki already set up and available to be used for porting information (dunno whether Openmoko would or would not want Android porting info on wiki.openmoko.org ...). -- Rod -Original Message- From: Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 6:43 am Subject: Re: Android open sourced To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.orgReply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! Maybe we should setup a Neo branch on Androids GIT, and start to collaborate on the port? Anyone else interested? -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:52:02AM -0700, Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo Ya t'ink? exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in stability. I am very happy to see Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off the dust and help port it! Let's hope that when you remove the proprietary crap you don't end up with a console prompt (or not much more...) Rui ps: yes, I'm not very hopeful of Google Android as a Free Software phone, it doesn't look very much like one... Ya know I don't really care if it is open source or free source or commercial, so long as it is stable and actually works as a phone! I have a $400 toy at the moment which I would like to use as a phone one day. I'll use anything that gets me closer to that goal. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtextended] Bluetooth headset
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Thanks, I was testing the bluetooth connection today and realised that once you use the installed script to switch bluetooth off, there is no (known or easy) way to restart it except by rebooting the phone. Any feedback on how it behaves with suspend/resume? You can restart it. It just doesn't look like its restarted. IIRC the power indicator in /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on gets inverted after a suspend resume cycle. If lsusb shows the bluetooth device is there then it's powered on, the sys method isn't reliable. Angus -- Angus Ainslie http://www.handheldshell.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian/FSO] Reliable restart of zhone?
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 21.10.2008, 11:21 +0200 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm having some issues with Zhone. Sometimes I cant answer a call, sometimes Zhone loses its connection with the gsm network withouth notifying me. Maybe the bugs are in Zhone, maybe they are in frameworkd, but how do I restart Zhone/frameworkd reliably? in the xterm: killall zhone /etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd stop /etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd start zhone or alternatively via ssh /etc/init.d/zhone-session stop /etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd stop /etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd start /etc/init.d/zhone-session start Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner
The problems mentioned are do they occur in both qtopia as in OM2008? I understood that qtopia is more stable. If this is true why no make it dual boot, as is possible. Boot up in Qtopia when the phone has to be stable and when a problem is ok, boot up in OM2008? I'm going to order my Freerunner soon. I think in spite of it's problem it's the best embedded product, with total freedom, around right now. Regards, Joop. xaos wrote: Qtextended is probably the most stable at this point, and that has it's caveats. Incoming calls are always registered as missed calls. Incoming calls are always answered as speakerphone, instead of handset. I'm not sure if there is a setting for it, but I haven't been able to find it. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it as I hate having to remember to switch it to handset after I answer a call. Often, accessing the keyboard after a call starts is impossible, which makes it difficult when you have to navigate through a company VM menu. You can use the Smart theme which works a little better but you will need to use the stylus to access the .5 x .5 dialpad the comes up in a call. SMS messages received will often double themselves, or show five or six times the amount of new messages in the New Message alert. Select All-Move to Trash works sometimes, sometimes not, and it will often redownload them from the SMS server after the phone crashes/hangs/doesn't-come-out-of-suspend and requires a hard restart which, for me, is about every two or three days. Using the stylus is almost a necessity; you're not going to have much luck using your finger for anything other than the largest, most well-divided buttons. Even on the menus, you'll find yourself selecting the wrong entry over and over (fingernails are not much of an option for me. I'm a guitarist and keep them pretty short.) The dockable qwerty keyboard works moderately well for composing messages with the stylus, but the arrow keys don't work in the terminal, so be prepared to type commands over and over, as the bash/ash history is not accessible. The predictive text keyboard is mostly unusable due to the inability after a word or two to change keyboard types or erase characters. I don't use the alarm so I can't comment on the issues others have had with that module. MP3 playback is pointless as it stutters constantly. WEP wireless connections seem to only be available via command line. I can't connect via WEP by the GUI, so I just wrote a script to do it. Even that is weird, as I have to follow the following sequence to get that to work: iwconfig eth0 essid my_ap enc my_encryption_key; sleep 2; iwconfig eth0 essid any; sleep 2; udhcpd eth0; The first time I call the script it fails. so I control-C it, and run it again (the up arrow on the keyboard would be very handy here in the terminal.) The second time it works and gets an IP address, however it seems resolvconf is not updated (even though the DNS addresses are in resolv.conf) as I can't ping by DNS, only IP. Now, if i run it a third time it works like a charm. I don't know if this is something odd with my network and the card on the Neo, or what but my laptop connects fine with Ubuntu. These things of course have all been filed as bugs already AFAIK. If there are fixes for anything I've mentioned here, I'd love to apply them. I'm not sure if the phone is just grossly underpowered for what we are trying to do with it (MP3 playback) or if it's just that the software has a lng way to go before being usable as a day-to-day phone with some extra PDA features. So, in conclusion, I'd say there are a lot less expensive gadget phones out there that do more and will not result in your hair turning gray prematurely. The Neo is a wonderful idea, just not implemented very well I guess. The design is nice, it's case feels better in your hand than any other phone I've used. It's nice to have linux on my phone and be able to do all the things I'd do with my laptop or desktop, but without GPRS or 3G availability, it's kind of silly. If I have access to wireless APs, I'll have my laptop most likely, so why use the phone for that stuff? The display resolution is crisp and many people have commented to me on that. I like the phone, I just can't use it without a lot of finger digit acrobatics. /rambling -Tom Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: William Kenworthy wrote: No, you are in the vast majority I think - those who can reliably make phone and sms calls are in the minority - if they even exist. BillK Those of use using reliably are minority but we do exist. Occasionally the phone will coma on me and require a hard restart (remove battery and reinsert)
Re: Android open sourced
Jim Morris wrote: I suspect there will be kernel work required, I'm more comfortable with Java so will work on that end, any volunteers to work on the kernel part of Android? I believe there was a working kernel port last year: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 The problem was that the rest of the stack was not open source and the available binaries were for ARMV5, rather than ARMV4. Assuming that Google has released the necessary source, that roadblock would no longer exist. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Rod Whitby wrote: I have owned the android-internals.org and android-linux.org domains since last year, waiting for this day, and the former has a wiki already set up and available to be used for porting information (dunno whether Openmoko would or would not want Android porting info on wiki.openmoko.org ...). -- Rod Great trying to go there now, just seems to hang Was on IRC and someone said they had already ported the kernel, and was working on a forum, just FYI. We should all coordinate so there are not 10 different porting efforts :) -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
On 22 Oct 2008 07:09:00 +1030, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Pure eloquence... :) For a text-email reader, the only thing worse than an HTML-only mail client is one that includes an empty plaintext section. X-Mailer: ChatterEmail+ for Treo 6xx/700p (3.0.10) j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 01:41:20PM -0700, Jim Morris wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:52:02AM -0700, Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo Ya t'ink? exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in stability. I am very happy to see Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off the dust and help port it! Let's hope that when you remove the proprietary crap you don't end up with a console prompt (or not much more...) Rui ps: yes, I'm not very hopeful of Google Android as a Free Software phone, it doesn't look very much like one... Ya know I don't really care if it is open source or free source or commercial, so long as it is stable and actually works as a phone! I have a $400 toy at the moment which I would like to use as a phone one day. I'll use anything that gets me closer to that goal. For 100 EUR I'll send you my 10 EUR commercial value Nokia :) Rui -- Frink! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 2nd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One more rotate version
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:33:49PM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote: On 21.10.2008 at 22:26:41, Fabian Henze wrote: Hey guys, I have spend more time optimizing the code and fixing bugs of my previous release. So here are the changes compared with my previous version: - Fixed a memleak - Changed the angle, which is required to initiate a rotation from 22.5° to 15° - Added a workaround for a bug in the input driver - fewer false positives - Reduced CPU time even more (when in idle it consumes about 600% fewer CPU cycles compared Rui's version. Non-idle workloads are hard to measure but the usage should be _at_least_ equal) - Achieved by introducing a hack, which might break if some parts of the system are compiled with different cflags. So please report if it is not working for you - Uses exactly 760 byte RAM now. - Added more comments - It's actually usable now (imo) - BUT: The accelerometers stop working after a while bug persists - Sorry Rui, still no patch for your version I hope you enjoy it. Whoops forgot the files. P.S. @Rui: you google code link seems broken. Hi Fabian, I'm adding your changes, and we should agree on an indent style. After skimming indent(1) I propose to use indent -kr. I'm not giving up on the brightness thing unless I can be proven the split screen isn't worked around with it, but we should add a flag for enabling/disabling it. I'd just like to add the following (don't take me wrong, I'm not mad or anything even closer :) ): You can't really replace... * Copyright © 2008 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Inspired upon Chris Ball's rotate, this is a totally new rewrite. With... * Copyright (c) 2008 Fabian Henze [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Based on Rui Miguel Silva Seabra's rotate, but more optimized for * speed memory usage and a better algorithm. So in the mix and matching I'm doing, I'm writing: * Copyright © 2008 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Copyright © 2008 Fabian Henze [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Inspired upon Chris Ball's rotate, this is a totally new rewrite. Fine with you? Can you get a google mail account (just for having an account on code.google.com) so I can add you as a project member? Best, Rui -- Pzat! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 2nd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 01:41:20PM -0700, Jim Morris wrote: Ya know I don't really care if it is open source or free source or commercial, so long as it is stable and actually works as a phone! I have a $400 toy at the moment which I would like to use as a phone one day. I'll use anything that gets me closer to that goal. For 100 EUR I'll send you my 10 EUR commercial value Nokia :) Rui Actually I just bought a Nokia e62 unlocked phone so I had a reliable phone to use, other than being a tad slow it works great everytime. Thats the kind of thing I expect one day from the FR. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner
I haven't tried Qtopia 4.3 - but I've tried using QTExtended (Qtopia 4.4) and had a lot of stability issues. I did see someone mention on this list that 4.3 was more stable, though... Warren On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Joop Boonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problems mentioned are do they occur in both qtopia as in OM2008? I understood that qtopia is more stable. If this is true why no make it dual boot, as is possible. Boot up in Qtopia when the phone has to be stable and when a problem is ok, boot up in OM2008? I'm going to order my Freerunner soon. I think in spite of it's problem it's the best embedded product, with total freedom, around right now. Regards, Joop. xaos wrote: Qtextended is probably the most stable at this point, and that has it's caveats. Incoming calls are always registered as missed calls. Incoming calls are always answered as speakerphone, instead of handset. I'm not sure if there is a setting for it, but I haven't been able to find it. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it as I hate having to remember to switch it to handset after I answer a call. Often, accessing the keyboard after a call starts is impossible, which makes it difficult when you have to navigate through a company VM menu. You can use the Smart theme which works a little better but you will need to use the stylus to access the .5 x .5 dialpad the comes up in a call. SMS messages received will often double themselves, or show five or six times the amount of new messages in the New Message alert. Select All-Move to Trash works sometimes, sometimes not, and it will often redownload them from the SMS server after the phone crashes/hangs/doesn't-come-out-of-suspend and requires a hard restart which, for me, is about every two or three days. Using the stylus is almost a necessity; you're not going to have much luck using your finger for anything other than the largest, most well-divided buttons. Even on the menus, you'll find yourself selecting the wrong entry over and over (fingernails are not much of an option for me. I'm a guitarist and keep them pretty short.) The dockable qwerty keyboard works moderately well for composing messages with the stylus, but the arrow keys don't work in the terminal, so be prepared to type commands over and over, as the bash/ash history is not accessible. The predictive text keyboard is mostly unusable due to the inability after a word or two to change keyboard types or erase characters. I don't use the alarm so I can't comment on the issues others have had with that module. MP3 playback is pointless as it stutters constantly. WEP wireless connections seem to only be available via command line. I can't connect via WEP by the GUI, so I just wrote a script to do it. Even that is weird, as I have to follow the following sequence to get that to work: iwconfig eth0 essid my_ap enc my_encryption_key; sleep 2; iwconfig eth0 essid any; sleep 2; udhcpd eth0; The first time I call the script it fails. so I control-C it, and run it again (the up arrow on the keyboard would be very handy here in the terminal.) The second time it works and gets an IP address, however it seems resolvconf is not updated (even though the DNS addresses are in resolv.conf) as I can't ping by DNS, only IP. Now, if i run it a third time it works like a charm. I don't know if this is something odd with my network and the card on the Neo, or what but my laptop connects fine with Ubuntu. These things of course have all been filed as bugs already AFAIK. If there are fixes for anything I've mentioned here, I'd love to apply them. I'm not sure if the phone is just grossly underpowered for what we are trying to do with it (MP3 playback) or if it's just that the software has a lng way to go before being usable as a day-to-day phone with some extra PDA features. So, in conclusion, I'd say there are a lot less expensive gadget phones out there that do more and will not result in your hair turning gray prematurely. The Neo is a wonderful idea, just not implemented very well I guess. The design is nice, it's case feels better in your hand than any other phone I've used. It's nice to have linux on my phone and be able to do all the things I'd do with my laptop or desktop, but without GPRS or 3G availability, it's kind of silly. If I have access to wireless APs, I'll have my laptop most likely, so why use the phone for that stuff? The display resolution is crisp and many people have commented to me on that. I like the phone, I just can't use it without a lot of finger digit acrobatics. /rambling -Tom Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn
Android open sourced
Jim Morris wrote: [...] Ya know I don't really care if it is open source or free source or commercial, so long as it is stable and actually works as a phone! I have a $400 toy at the moment which I would like to use as a phone one day. I'll use anything that gets me closer to that goal. Does anyone really think that porting Android is going to magically fix the problems that prevent the Freerunner from being a useful phone? How likely is it that things like suspend/resume problems will go away if you port Android? Aren't those problems apt to be very closely tied to the particulars of the Freerunner hardware? Porting Android sounds to me like a way to spend a huge amount of time to produce another distribution for the Freerunner which will be no more reliable (at best) than the others ones are. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Ken Young wrote: Jim Morris wrote: [...] Ya know I don't really care if it is open source or free source or commercial, so long as it is stable and actually works as a phone! I have a $400 toy at the moment which I would like to use as a phone one day. I'll use anything that gets me closer to that goal. Does anyone really think that porting Android is going to magically fix the problems that prevent the Freerunner from being a useful phone? How likely is it that things like suspend/resume problems will go away if you port Android? Aren't those problems apt to be very closely tied to the particulars of the Freerunner hardware? Porting Android sounds to me like a way to spend a huge amount of time to produce another distribution for the Freerunner which will be no more reliable (at best) than the others ones are. Ken Young No magic, I suspect the kernel will be the same, and have potentially the same bugs, however I think the apps will be more stable. By the time Android is ported over, I am hoping there will have been significant progress on the kernel in the other dists, which android and qtextended etc will benefit from. For my part I am very comfortable writing Java, so being able to write apps in Java is a plus for me, and none of the current dists really support Java well (ok it is supported but have you tried writing a good app with that support?). Of course the H/W bugs such as GSM buzz won't get fixed, but I'm still hoping there will be a H/W fix for that which Openmoko will support for GTA02. Besides it seems people love to have several choices ;) -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One more rotate version
Hi Fabian, I'm adding your changes, and we should agree on an indent style. After skimming indent(1) I propose to use indent -kr. Yeah indent should not be an issue. Just use whatever you think is good and I will use it from now on. I'm not giving up on the brightness thing unless I can be proven the split screen isn't worked around with it, but we should add a flag for enabling/disabling it. What about enabling/disabling it with #ifdefs? This should work well as the code for the brightness handling is more or less seperate from the rest (iirc just three codeblocks). I'd just like to add the following (don't take me wrong, I'm not mad or anything even closer :) ): You can't really replace... * Copyright © 2008 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Inspired upon Chris Ball's rotate, this is a totally new rewrite. With... * Copyright (c) 2008 Fabian Henze [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Based on Rui Miguel Silva Seabra's rotate, but more optimized for * speed memory usage and a better algorithm. Much apologies. I should have thought more about this part :) So in the mix and matching I'm doing, I'm writing: * Copyright © 2008 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Copyright © 2008 Fabian Henze [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Inspired upon Chris Ball's rotate, this is a totally new rewrite. Fine with you? Sure. Can you get a google mail account (just for having an account on code.google.com) so I can add you as a project member? *sigh* google ... yeah guess I can do that tomorrow. -- Fabian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:23:56PM -0700, Jim Morris wrote: No magic, I suspect the kernel will be the same, and have potentially the same bugs, however I think the apps will be more stable. The apps won't be very stable if things like the accelerometers hang every so often... Rui -- Grudnuk demand sustenance! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 2nd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo (which I have shelved until such a thing exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in stability. I am very happy to see Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off the dust and help port it! Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:20:04 -0400 Daniel Benoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:33:40 you wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'm interested to see if it will be possible to hack it so X11 software works under android, and vice versa so that android software can be run under X11/illume. ^.^ you'd probably need to port androids display system to run under x11. ie a android window/surface == x11 window. also emulate any other things via icccm/netwm etc. this would actually be cool. you can run any desktop you like (2007.x matchbox style, e+illume, xfce... or anything else AND run android app AND run qt apps AND run gtk apps.. AND EFL, AND java... AND C#/mono, AND...) frankly this is probably the right way to go. i'd take a look if i wasn't already busy enough. Or if I can't have that or it'd be too slow or something.. I'd like to be able to toggle between virtual consoles to go between one and the other or something like that. it can always be fast. a first port would be getting the entire android display system working IN a window IN x11 (a virtual framebuffer). that will be entirely trivial. and still very fast (a little slower than direct-to-fb, but not enough to really worry). think mame, or all the game console emulators, or vmware, qmenu etc. basically just implemenet a framebuffer as an x11 mit-shm shared image buffer @ 16bpp - it looks like any hardware dumb framebuffer. just xshmputimage from it using cliprects to choose which regions to write to the destination window. this should be a completely trivial port and basically give u android in a window and should always work and be compatible with any bizarre things android does. your 2nd step is the full port (ala think wine - where you match primitives on a higher level). And I wonder how much openmoko and debian software and other distros will start seeping into the android designed handsets. I sense a golden age on the horizon :) -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:48:25 +0200 Didier Raboud [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: http://source.android.com/license/individual-contributor-license---android-open-source-project You have to grant your copyright to Google... I don't want to work non-paid for Google. But please do ! ;) i do agree that android does not seem to be open AND free in the same spirit/way the average linux distro (from ubuntu to debian to fedora to openmoko etc.) is, as the sdk is restrictive - BUT i will say, that you are wrong - you do not GRANT google copyright. you grant them a LICENCE to use the code you contribute (without restriction). it's basically the same as contributing to a BSD to mit/x11 licensed project. you still own your code that you contributed and retain all your rights, but you have granted unrestricted use of that, with no conditions (that includes no need to keep the code open. at this point it is a matter of trust if you trust google to always keep the code available or not, as the license does not enforce that, BUT you don't grant copyright ownership to google). so to be fair - it's not as bad as you made it out to be :) but i also don't like the other clauses. like can't reverse engineer (which is bullshit in my jurisdiction - last i checked reverse engineering was explicitly legal for compatibility purposes, and any license is overidden by law and your innate rights), or for no other purpose. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One more rotate version
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:24:31AM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote: Hi Fabian, I'm adding your changes, and we should agree on an indent style. After skimming indent(1) I propose to use indent -kr. Yeah indent should not be an issue. Just use whatever you think is good and I will use it from now on. I don't mind changing :) I think indent -kr is similar to yours and at least we'll have a way to computationally keep it that way :) I'm not giving up on the brightness thing unless I can be proven the split screen isn't worked around with it, but we should add a flag for enabling/disabling it. What about enabling/disabling it with #ifdefs? This should work well as the code for the brightness handling is more or less seperate from the rest (iirc just three codeblocks). meh... let's just wait for the new release to decide on that, the cost of compiling seems greater to me than the small waste of keeping a simple option :) Much apologies. I should have thought more about this part :) No harm done :) Can you get a google mail account (just for having an account on code.google.com) so I can add you as a project member? *sigh* google ... yeah guess I can do that tomorrow. yeah... google... but I like it better than sourceforge and all the others I know didn't let me commit immediately after creating the project :) The cost is to just add an account for only that (I mainly use mine for xmpp, anyways...) Rui -- Wibble. Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 2nd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 102, Issue 16
On Wednesday 22 October 2008 07:07:14 Matthew Lane wrote: No, I have not tried the 512mb card (it's at home and I'm at college). I'm not sure how to do what you're talking about arne, but you're suggesting that I can install a base system and put Debian on that? Can you point me in the correct direction? Also, my 8gb uSDHC card works That's debatable :) ... I have tried various cards and have installed debian successfully and unsuccessfully based on the card I use. I now only use 2GB cards and below as they don't seem to suffer from the issues 4GB seems to present. IMO try a smaller card before you consider alternative install methods, otherwise you might end up like me, with debian installed but randomness occurring. Also don't believe everything the FR reports, use a bit of trial and error, especially with uSD cards. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Lorn Potter wrote: Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected. Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable than the previous version. which I had blown away to try 4.4.1 I couldn't really use 4.4.1 of QtEtended as it seemed to hang all the time as well as other issues which I'm sure you are aware of. (Scrolling through lists usually thinks you are selecting something you don't want etc). I'll continue to try the new versions of 4.4 as they come out, but in the meantime playing with Android seems like a good use of my time ;) I'll use whichever one ends up being a usable phone soonest. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone interested in mentoring?
On Wednesday 22 October 2008 07:00:19 Jason Cawood wrote: I've owned my freerunner since july and have tinkered with it a lot trying out everything you guys throw out there. But I honestly don't know much about what I am doing... I'm to the point where I'd love to actually submit helpful bug reports and be able to SSH into my freerunner which I can't figure out how to put all the steps together for it to work for me. I guess I know enough to get me in trouble, but I also know enough to undo what I did to get out of trouble also. What I am asking is for someone to be willing to help me understand what I'm doing so that I can become helpful instead of dangerous. In the end, I would like to produce a better how-to less technical than what is available now to help others get started who are lost in technical data and instructions. Gday :) Don't be scared to ask questions on the list. If you are truly stuck with using a particular facility, ask away! ... If you are worried that the questions will clutter an otherwise, well, _cluttered list_ then I'm sure people will be willing to communicate in a limited fashion off-list. Myself included. Mentoring might be the wrong term as it implies some obligation from the person assisting. If you were contributing code then I'm sure someone might consider it. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO-testing] Good news for 19/10/2008 image
Markus Schlichting wrote: Hi, found it ;-) FSO images can be found at http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/images/ Maybe you will prefer a more stable image : http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ Friendly, Yves MAHE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2008.8 - testing] - no desktop icons any more.
On Wednesday 22 October 2008 03:33:04 Benedikt Schindler wrote: hi, is someone on the testing tree of the 2008.8 distro, and solved the icon problem yet? i upgraded to the latest testing 2008.8 packages. I know that there is a problem with the splash screen at boot up, that isn't solved yet. so i disabled the boot screen (btw: that saves 10 seconds boot time) But now i don't have any desktop icons. also the clock-, battery- and signal-panel is at one place now. i restored the old ~/.e directory but that didn't changed anything. Testing broke for me so I switched to fso-testing, which now seems to be almost as good as om2008 testing, when it actually worked ;) The facilities are no where near as comprehensive but I'm not fussed at this stage. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Jim Morris wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected. Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable than the previous version. We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But it couldn't be helped. which I had blown away to try 4.4.1 I couldn't really use 4.4.1 of QtEtended as it seemed to hang all the time as well as other issues which I'm sure you are aware of. (Scrolling through lists usually thinks you are selecting something you don't want etc). I'll continue to try the new versions of 4.4 as they come out, but in the meantime playing with Android seems like a good use of my time ;) I'll use whichever one ends up being a usable phone soonest. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! Maybe we should setup a Neo branch on Androids GIT, and start to collaborate on the port? Anyone else interested? Ok well I have started :) the repo sync fails as the webkit repo appears to be down, so I'll try again later. You can bypass webkit, by modifying ./repo/manifest.xml, as instructed here: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=982q=webkitcolspec=ID%20Type%20Version%20Security%20Status%20Owner%20Summary Count me in! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
