Re: rcp works, konqueror+fish not

2008-10-24 Thread Margo Koppelmann
I have the same problem - can't upload with fish://, both with qtextended
and FDOM. And sftp:// doesn't work either. It tells me the password is wrong
:S

So I'm using scp to copy filest to my Freerunner.


On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:14 AM, Hendrik Siedelmann <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2008/10/22 Aapo Rantalainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I can rcp files from computer to my freerunner, but with konqueror and
> > fish:// I can only download not upload. Moko just disconnects when I
> > start uploading. Freerunner is running fdom and my computer is running
> > Ubuntu: 8.04, Qt: 3.3.8b, KDE:3.5.9, Konqueror: 3.5.9.
> >
> > I just installed Debian on Freerunner and now konqueror+fish works, so
> > I think it is about dropbear, not konqueror.
> > (Debian has Dropbear sshd v0.51and  fdom 0.49, maybe this is the point)
> >
> > -Aapo Rantalainen
>
> I don't really know whats the difference, but konqueror+sftp:// works
> out of the box on every image I used, so I think the problem is indeed
> fish.
>
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Re: rcp works, konqueror+fish not

2008-10-24 Thread Aapo Rantalainen
Fish document says, that perl is used if it installed on target.
Freerunner Debian has perl 5.10.0
I installed perl to my FDOM from repository, it is version 5.8.8. Do not work.

-Aapo Rantalainen

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Re: Is Openmoko working on their 'back to basics' plan?

2008-10-24 Thread John Lee
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 02:47:03PM +0800, John Lee wrote:
> Now for the status update this week:
> 
> Olv and Erin is working on reducing boot time.  Currently it's reduced
> from 2:35 (Om2008.9) to around 1:40.  One minute less in one week, and
> Olv just got back from hospital last Monday.  We will merge this into
> OE once we get it organized properly.

some bootcharts here:
http://people.openmoko.org/olv/tmp/  bootchart*

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Re: FDOM pet Tux (other distros too)

2008-10-24 Thread David Samblas
El jue, 23-10-2008 a las 22:18 +0200, Minh Ha Duong escribió:
> Hi David,
> 
>   There is a purple brained Tux on the FDOM page at
> http://www.tuxbrain.com/fdom_en.html
Looks cool, isn't it ? :)
> 
> Is that FDOM's pet or your company's ?
FDOM's, Is a Fat and Dirty penguin with brained reminiscence :) 
> If it's FDOM, is the picture copyleft ?
Yes
> If it is copyleft, would you care to add it to 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution ?
I will as soon as I can :)
> 
> The wiki s needs more pretty pictures.
I will try to add some screen captures too, when my neo comes back from
a brief  the demo tour
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Is Openmoko working on their 'back to basics' plan?

2008-10-24 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Dear John,

  I agree that the blog post, and especially the title, was closer to 
low-level sensational journalism than to international diplomacy. I was kind 
of shocked as you probably were to read "Openmoko has announced their 'Back 
to basics' plan a week ago. It's time to review." I am afraid that Brankz 
took my proposition that "being nice and polite is mostly optional in the 
Open Source world" too litteraly. But this is a blog, so could we simply 
assume that it was late in the evening, and when one writes as much as the 
author does, and one has a point clearly and simply written, sometimes ones 
overlook the "smooth feelings" aspects ?

  Having said that, regular status updates are good for everybody. Community 
loves it. Management loves it too, and for good reasons. May I compare with 
what Michael did with the "Community updates" series to keep everybody up to 
date on the hardware release ? You are a bit in the same situation with the 
software release.

So thanks for the weekly update, and keep them coming,
Minh

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Re: [FSO] QT Dbus connection to Gypsy

2008-10-24 Thread Michael Tansella
On Wednesday 22 October 2008 22:36:51 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> How exactly does it "not work"? Are you extracting the data out of the
> struct with the ">>" operators as described in
> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qdbusargument.html ?

Thank you very much,

I didn't notice the Class qdbusargument and got it working the following way:

QDBusMessage PositionReply;
PositionReply = GPSPositionInterface->call("GetPosition");
QList ReplyData;

But now I want to read the Satellite information and there I have to use  
qdbusargument, so thank you for that hint.

By the way I'm writing a complete class to read all GPS Infos and I will make 
it public on the wiki when it's done.

All the best
Michael   

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Re: FDOM pet Tux (other distros too)

2008-10-24 Thread Minh Ha Duong
> > The wiki s needs more pretty pictures.
>
> I will try to add some screen captures too, when my neo comes back from
> a brief  the demo tour

Cool. Actually that was a subliminal message to other distribution managers. 
Especially to SHR and ASU, since Qt, Debian and Android more or less already 
have a visual identity, and FSO is a project not a distribution. Maybe we 
could associate the ASU series with Openmoko's "slanted guy in a circle" 
logo ?

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Re: Is Openmoko working on their 'back to basics' plan?

2008-10-24 Thread Alasal

Sorry, maybe I was a little to the point on that blog post. But I and several
others had a big discussion about Openmoko and their way of communicating
things. Mostly (and that's only my experience) when something new is
announced, the developers goes crazy and the first week is the most active
week of the new direction. So I had hoped to see the first steps of the new
direction by now. Now I've looked almost everywhere (or everywhere I know to
look) and I didn't see any start of a changing (No new posts on the bugs
trac). So I was a little disappointed.

Also I had promised myself to do a weekly roundup for the community, so
sorry if a weekly update is to fast. It's just what I said to myself to do.

So John Lee: If openmoko is busy with their 'back to basics' plan, than the
post was to picky. It should been written more smooth. Sorry it wasn't. But
by the things that were public at the moment, I couldn't know Openmoko was
certainly busy with their 'back to basics' strategy.

For the people not knowing where we are talking about, this is the blogpost:
http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/10/is-openmoko-working-on-there-back-to.html


Minh Ha Duong wrote:
> 
> Dear John,
> 
>   I agree that the blog post, and especially the title, was closer to 
> low-level sensational journalism than to international diplomacy. I was
> kind 
> of shocked as you probably were to read "Openmoko has announced their
> 'Back 
> to basics' plan a week ago. It's time to review." I am afraid that Brankz 
> took my proposition that "being nice and polite is mostly optional in the 
> Open Source world" too litteraly. But this is a blog, so could we simply 
> assume that it was late in the evening, and when one writes as much as the 
> author does, and one has a point clearly and simply written, sometimes
> ones 
> overlook the "smooth feelings" aspects ?
> 
>   Having said that, regular status updates are good for everybody.
> Community 
> loves it. Management loves it too, and for good reasons. May I compare
> with 
> what Michael did with the "Community updates" series to keep everybody up
> to 
> date on the hardware release ? You are a bit in the same situation with
> the 
> software release.
> 
> So thanks for the weekly update, and keep them coming,
> Minh
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Tux image

2008-10-24 Thread Paul
Hi all

on http://nwyfre.homelinux.net/alg_plaatjes/MokoTux1.jpg I have an image 
for OpenMoko.

Where on the Wiki could I put it (and is there a preferred size?)

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Re: Is Openmoko working on their 'back to basics' plan?

2008-10-24 Thread Vasco Névoa

John, this new Update is an excelent move in several aspects. Keep it  
going, and thank you very much!!

Citando John Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Dear community,
>
> http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/10/is-openmoko-working-on-there-back-to.html
>
> And please read my comment below.  I have to say I don't like opinions
> like this but I will take it as a result of high expectation.  We will
> keep sending to the public list once we have something, commit to
> public scm, etc. but we certainly won't do _weekly_ release.  For now
> please be patient and let the engineers work.
>
>
> Now for the status update this week:
>
> Tick merged the qtopia echo patch (#1267), it works, no echo but the
> audio sounds a little bit less 'vivid' (not sure if this is the right
> word).  He is now working on the touch screen usage, see
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-October/002712.html
>
> Olv and Erin is working on reducing boot time.  Currently it's reduced
> from 2:35 (Om2008.9) to around 1:40.  One minute less in one week, and
> Olv just got back from hospital last Monday.  We will merge this into
> OE once we get it organized properly.
>
> Jeremy is working together with kernel guy (aka Matt Hsu) to look into
> the possible improvement, namely take a screenshot and show it first
> during resume.  It's a common technique in mobile phone.
>
> Julian is working on the python loader.  He is new to python but he
> got very good helps here in the office such as Guillaume, etc.  He
> still got some distro work to finish so it's going to take a while
> before he can work full time on this.
>
> Currently we have a major blocker #2071.  It can be solved by update
> EFL, but no icons will show up in illume.  This seems to be a
> different bug, but we are having an evas-native related issue on the
> build server so the EFL packages are not updated correctly in
> downloads.openmoko.org.  This prevents people from confirming it and
> fire another bug.
>
> EFL ABI changed along with the svn rev increment last week, so
> Installer and Locations won't work without rebuilding.  Although
> people already got reassigned, but nobody will give Om2008 love except
> us and holger, so we will fix the issues above and update testing repo
> soon.
>
>
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Re: Tux image

2008-10-24 Thread Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes
Hi Paul,

what about here somewhere:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Artwork

?

A selection of sizes is nice, also the vector source if you did it in
some vector-based program!

Thanks,

- Gunnar

Paul wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> on http://nwyfre.homelinux.net/alg_plaatjes/MokoTux1.jpg I have an image 
> for OpenMoko.
> 
> Where on the Wiki could I put it (and is there a preferred size?)
> 
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Re: rcp works, konqueror+fish not

2008-10-24 Thread Thomas Köckerbauer
Just a guess, but could it have something to with that that dropbear is used 
as ssh server and not openssh (maybe different behaviour)?
If I remember correctly also browsing using a "Shell link" in midnight 
commander does not work, this could be the same issue.

Am Friday 24 October 2008 09:28:57 schrieb Aapo Rantalainen:
> Fish document says, that perl is used if it installed on target.
> Freerunner Debian has perl 5.10.0
> I installed perl to my FDOM from repository, it is version 5.8.8. Do not
> work.
>
> -Aapo Rantalainen

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Re: Tux image

2008-10-24 Thread Paul
Hello Gunnar
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Artwork
>   

Neat! I had looked for something like this but failed to find... I put 
the images up there, in 4 flavours/sizes.

> A selection of sizes is nice, also the vector source if you did it in
> some vector-based program!
>   

No vector-source, sorry. I just stuck some images together. ;-)

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-24 Thread Vasco Névoa

Citando Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still the
> better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone  
> (motoming A1200)
> and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone.

I've been using ASU (OM2008.9) since the beginning as my daily and  
only phone for months now, without great problems.
It stinks for SMS texting, and it is a PITA to find a contact on the  
list (both of these are bad designs of Qtopia), but otherwise it does  
the job well.
The only big problem is a "denial-of-service" that happens because os  
resume problems... sometimes I get an SMS or some other event that  
wakes up the phone, and if I don't touch the screen, it stays awake  
until the battery dies. This is why sometimes I wake up to a dead  
phone, even though I went to bed leaving it almost fully charged. :(


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Need help to run java apps on openmoko

2008-10-24 Thread Girish Revadigar
Hi,

I am new to openmoko. I want to run one of my java based GUI application on
openmoko. But when I tried to check for the java support on the newly
brought model, I found there is no java utility pre installed (Any JVM for
running java apps). So can you guide me how can I set up my openmoko to run
java applications on it? Is there any extra package I need to install?
Please guide me, without finding it I can't proceed. Your valuable
suggestion will be greatly helpful for me.

Thank you
Regards
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Re: Need help to run java apps on openmoko

2008-10-24 Thread Max Giesbert
have you checked http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java ?

please update if necessary...

Girish Revadigar schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> I am new to openmoko. I want to run one of my java based GUI application
> on openmoko. But when I tried to check for the java support on the newly
> brought model, I found there is no java utility pre installed (Any JVM
> for running java apps). So can you guide me how can I set up my openmoko
> to run java applications on it? Is there any extra package I need to
> install? Please guide me, without finding it I can't proceed. Your
> valuable suggestion will be greatly helpful for me.
> 
> Thank you
> Regards
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> 
> 
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Re: Need help to run java apps on openmoko

2008-10-24 Thread Girish Revadigar
Hi Max,

 Thank you for your reply. From the information on this site, looks like we
need to do some external work to get java run on openmoko. Can you please
suggest some java packages available which can be installed in openmoko?

Thank you
Girish


On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Max Giesbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> have you checked http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java ?
>
> please update if necessary...
>
> Girish Revadigar schrieb:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am new to openmoko. I want to run one of my java based GUI application
> > on openmoko. But when I tried to check for the java support on the newly
> > brought model, I found there is no java utility pre installed (Any JVM
> > for running java apps). So can you guide me how can I set up my openmoko
> > to run java applications on it? Is there any extra package I need to
> > install? Please guide me, without finding it I can't proceed. Your
> > valuable suggestion will be greatly helpful for me.
> >
> > Thank you
> > Regards
> > Girish
> > +91 99867 64809
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Need help to run java apps on openmoko

2008-10-24 Thread Peter Neubauer
Well,
on standard 2008.9 or so, you should be able to install

opkg install jamvm

to start with. Starting a visual java program from the command line
(logging in via ssh) would then be:

export DISPLAY=:0.0 && jamvm -jar myJar.jar

If you are running Debian, you can even install classpath, openjdk,
harmony etc, but they tend to be quite slow (but Java5)

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On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Girish Revadigar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Max,
>
>  Thank you for your reply. From the information on this site, looks like we
> need to do some external work to get java run on openmoko. Can you please
> suggest some java packages available which can be installed in openmoko?
>
> Thank you
> Girish
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Max Giesbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> have you checked http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java ?
>>
>> please update if necessary...
>>
>> Girish Revadigar schrieb:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I am new to openmoko. I want to run one of my java based GUI application
>> > on openmoko. But when I tried to check for the java support on the newly
>> > brought model, I found there is no java utility pre installed (Any JVM
>> > for running java apps). So can you guide me how can I set up my openmoko
>> > to run java applications on it? Is there any extra package I need to
>> > install? Please guide me, without finding it I can't proceed. Your
>> > valuable suggestion will be greatly helpful for me.
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> > Regards
>> > Girish
>> > +91 99867 64809
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: Need help to run java apps on openmoko

2008-10-24 Thread Joseph Reeves
Hi Girish,

I've been running gvSIG mobile [1], a java app, on Jalimo [2]. gvSIG
mobile isn't freely available yet, but keep an eye on
planet.openmoko.org for an announcement in the (hopefully) near
future.

Cheers,

Joseph


[1] http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/
[2] https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page






2008/10/24 Girish Revadigar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi Max,
>
>  Thank you for your reply. From the information on this site, looks like we
> need to do some external work to get java run on openmoko. Can you please
> suggest some java packages available which can be installed in openmoko?
>
> Thank you
> Girish
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Max Giesbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> have you checked http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java ?
>>
>> please update if necessary...
>>
>> Girish Revadigar schrieb:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I am new to openmoko. I want to run one of my java based GUI application
>> > on openmoko. But when I tried to check for the java support on the newly
>> > brought model, I found there is no java utility pre installed (Any JVM
>> > for running java apps). So can you guide me how can I set up my openmoko
>> > to run java applications on it? Is there any extra package I need to
>> > install? Please guide me, without finding it I can't proceed. Your
>> > valuable suggestion will be greatly helpful for me.
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> > Regards
>> > Girish
>> > +91 99867 64809
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
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Re: Finger Keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Nik Lutz wrote:
> The code is a real hack - I see it as a proof of concept for my initial idea:
> The keyboard should have two modes.
> - A fullscreen-mode with plenty of space for big buttons and a textfield.
> - a minimized-mode with at least two buttons: one to switch to
> fullscreen. The second to PASTE the text that was written in
> fullscreen-mode to the target.

I've not tested your keyboard due to some python errors (etk.TextView
wasn't recognized, and I had not time to workaround/fix it; however the
idea is really nice to me. I'd like to get a keyboard exactly like that
(and with a dictionary-based typo check like the illume standard
keyboard does)!

I think that just adding to the Illume keyboard the ability of going
fullscreen (after rotating to landscape) with an its own text field to
be used as a temporary text field would be cool!

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Re: rcp works, konqueror+fish not

2008-10-24 Thread Hendrik Siedelmann
2008/10/23 Hendrik Siedelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2008/10/22 Aapo Rantalainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I can rcp files from computer to my freerunner, but with konqueror and
>> fish:// I can only download not upload. Moko just disconnects when I
>> start uploading. Freerunner is running fdom and my computer is running
>> Ubuntu: 8.04, Qt: 3.3.8b, KDE:3.5.9, Konqueror: 3.5.9.
>>
>> I just installed Debian on Freerunner and now konqueror+fish works, so
>> I think it is about dropbear, not konqueror.
>> (Debian has Dropbear sshd v0.51and  fdom 0.49, maybe this is the point)
>>
>> -Aapo Rantalainen
>
> I don't really know whats the difference, but konqueror+sftp:// works
> out of the box on every image I used, so I think the problem is indeed
> fish.
>
> hendrik
>

I remember something like this, like if you have no password set sftp
will accept any password but not empty, and if you have a password set
it will simply work as expected.

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Re: rcp works, konqueror+fish not

2008-10-24 Thread Alastair Johnson
mc also implements fish, so the cause is the same. The fcntl module 
isn't included in the standard images but is used - see .fishsrv.pl on a 
machine where fish has worked. This needs to be transferred though, so 
if shell-based transfers aren't working the perl ones can't either.

Thomas Köckerbauer wrote:
> Just a guess, but could it have something to with that that dropbear is used 
> as ssh server and not openssh (maybe different behaviour)?
> If I remember correctly also browsing using a "Shell link" in midnight 
> commander does not work, this could be the same issue.
> 
> Am Friday 24 October 2008 09:28:57 schrieb Aapo Rantalainen:
>> Fish document says, that perl is used if it installed on target.
>> Freerunner Debian has perl 5.10.0
>> I installed perl to my FDOM from repository, it is version 5.8.8. Do not
>> work.
>>
>> -Aapo Rantalainen
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using the FR as a daily phone

2008-10-24 Thread Kishore
On Friday 24 Oct 2008 4:44:55 pm Vasco Névoa wrote:
> Citando Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still
> > the better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone
> > (motoming A1200)
> > and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone.
>
> I've been using ASU (OM2008.9) since the beginning as my daily and
> only phone for months now, without great problems.
> It stinks for SMS texting, and it is a PITA to find a contact on the
> list (both of these are bad designs of Qtopia), but otherwise it does
> the job well.
> The only big problem is a "denial-of-service" that happens because os
> resume problems... sometimes I get an SMS or some other event that
> wakes up the phone, and if I don't touch the screen, it stays awake
> until the battery dies. This is why sometimes I wake up to a dead
> phone, even though I went to bed leaving it almost fully charged. :(

Don't you find it a little too slow to really work with? Or is it only me? It 
almost tests my patience. qtextended is rather fast.

Since, i use this now as my primary phone i thought id try the available 
distributions to see what i can use on a daily basis. I tried ASU which was 
rather bare as is meant to be and still slower than my patience. Then i tried 
the older FDOM which atleast demos the capability of the device but suffers the 
same slowness as the ASU. I am now about to try the latest ASU which my work 
well but i do not expect much in terms of speed.

Next, ill try the qtopia 4.3 since i have heard it is more stable. Does the 
ASU ship with same qtopia applications? If it does than qtextended defenitely 
has better usability.

Actually, i find qtextended to be quit stable except that it suffers bugs that 
make it annoying to use.

Is qtextended (x11) available on debian? I found debian to be fast! My dream 
setup would be qtextended on x11 running on debian. I am generally fond of 
debian and Qt too. I use the KDE desktop and do software development with Qt 
and my daytime job is in the low level embedded (bare metal) space.

Ps. Is there developer documentation that explains details? I see files like 
the gsmhandset.state and im not sure how all this works? clearly all the 
distributions for the FR seem to use the same file concept but im not sure this 
is a freedesktop.org standard either.
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Re: Finger Keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread Leonti Bielski
Did not tested it yet, but I think a big keyboard is a good idea.
Big keyboard with a tiny text field (reasonably tiny :)) would be great to
rapid texting without any guessing system.
Leonti

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
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> Nik Lutz wrote:
> > The code is a real hack - I see it as a proof of concept for my initial
> idea:
> > The keyboard should have two modes.
> > - A fullscreen-mode with plenty of space for big buttons and a textfield.
> > - a minimized-mode with at least two buttons: one to switch to
> > fullscreen. The second to PASTE the text that was written in
> > fullscreen-mode to the target.
>
> I've not tested your keyboard due to some python errors (etk.TextView
> wasn't recognized, and I had not time to workaround/fix it; however the
> idea is really nice to me. I'd like to get a keyboard exactly like that
> (and with a dictionary-based typo check like the illume standard
> keyboard does)!
>
> I think that just adding to the Illume keyboard the ability of going
> fullscreen (after rotating to landscape) with an its own text field to
> be used as a temporary text field would be cool!
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External wired small USB keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread Pander
Hi all,

I'm looking for a wired small USB keyboard to use on a Freerunner. I'm
looking for one:
- which is small in size, max 12 inch or 30 cm wide
- has qwerty layout
- has preferably no multi media buttons / hot keys
- has preferably no LEDs
- has a type A USB hub
- has a mini type B USB jack

Especially the last requirement is hard to match (find). So far I'm
stuck with:
  http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsm.htm
  http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsmusbb2.htm
  http://www.directron.com/kl51.html
  http://www.directron.com/psk3100u.html

Does any of you know of a keyboard matches more of the above requirements?

Thanks,

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Re: External wired small USB keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread Joseph Reeves
Hi,

We don't have any with a built in USB hub, but you may be interested in:

http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex

Especially the smaller model:

http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex/duraflex-mini

Cheers,

Joseph



2008/10/24 Pander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for a wired small USB keyboard to use on a Freerunner. I'm
> looking for one:
> - which is small in size, max 12 inch or 30 cm wide
> - has qwerty layout
> - has preferably no multi media buttons / hot keys
> - has preferably no LEDs
> - has a type A USB hub
> - has a mini type B USB jack
>
> Especially the last requirement is hard to match (find). So far I'm
> stuck with:
>  http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsm.htm
>  http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsmusbb2.htm
>  http://www.directron.com/kl51.html
>  http://www.directron.com/psk3100u.html
>
> Does any of you know of a keyboard matches more of the above requirements?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pander
>
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Re: [OM2008.8 - testing] - no desktop icons any more.

2008-10-24 Thread Daniel Benoy
On Wednesday 22 October 2008 02:53:39 Benedikt Schindler wrote:
> i thought of the groups like that:
> 
> -
> unstable :  just compiling every day the latest git trees. (no mater 
> what's happening in there)
> testing :  managed tree. where a human person puts in things that he 
> tested as functional version. (to see if it is realy functional)
> stable : really tested tree.
> -

Yeah I thought they would do it the same way as Debian.  They would get their 
software working in the unstable tree, making active changes to it moment by 
moment, and the testing tree would get some TLC by someone every once in a 
while to update software known to be behaving in the unstable tree, in the 
hopes that it will be thoroughly tested by the public and become a candidate 
for the stable tree.

Is that openmoko's goal here to do it that way?  Am I misinterprating the way 
Debian does it?

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Re: using the FR as a daily phone

2008-10-24 Thread Kishore
On Friday 24 Oct 2008 7:58:59 pm Kishore wrote:
> Ps. Is there developer documentation that explains details? I see files
> like the gsmhandset.state and im not sure how all this works? clearly all
> the distributions for the FR seem to use the same file concept but im not
> sure this is a freedesktop.org standard either.

OK that file is part of alsa and details seem to be documented at 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem

I must spend more time reading through the wiki! ;)
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Re: External wired small USB keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread feywulf
Looks very cool.  The most important question is, What logo is on the 
meta/super key?  Hopefully not the windows logo.

-feywulf


--- On Fri, 10/24/08, Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: External wired small USB keyboard
> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 10:20 AM
> Hi,
> 
> We don't have any with a built in USB hub, but you may
> be interested in:
> 
> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex
> 
> Especially the smaller model:
> 
> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex/duraflex-mini
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Joseph
> 
> 
> 
> 2008/10/24 Pander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm looking for a wired small USB keyboard to use
> on a Freerunner. I'm
> > looking for one:
> > - which is small in size, max 12 inch or 30 cm wide
> > - has qwerty layout
> > - has preferably no multi media buttons / hot keys
> > - has preferably no LEDs
> > - has a type A USB hub
> > - has a mini type B USB jack
> >
> > Especially the last requirement is hard to match
> (find). So far I'm
> > stuck with:
> >  http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsm.htm
> >  http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsmusbb2.htm
> >  http://www.directron.com/kl51.html
> >  http://www.directron.com/psk3100u.html
> >
> > Does any of you know of a keyboard matches more of the
> above requirements?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Pander
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Re: External wired small USB keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread Pander
Thanks. However, non flexible was also a requirement, since a solid
underground is not always available.

As for the logo on the meta/super key... Where is the openkeyboard.org ;)

feywulf wrote:
> Looks very cool.  The most important question is, What logo is on the 
> meta/super key?  Hopefully not the windows logo.
> 
> -feywulf
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> From: Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: External wired small USB keyboard
>> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
>> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 10:20 AM
>> Hi,
>>
>> We don't have any with a built in USB hub, but you may
>> be interested in:
>>
>> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex
>>
>> Especially the smaller model:
>>
>> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex/duraflex-mini
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/10/24 Pander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a wired small USB keyboard to use
>> on a Freerunner. I'm
>>> looking for one:
>>> - which is small in size, max 12 inch or 30 cm wide
>>> - has qwerty layout
>>> - has preferably no multi media buttons / hot keys
>>> - has preferably no LEDs
>>> - has a type A USB hub
>>> - has a mini type B USB jack
>>>
>>> Especially the last requirement is hard to match
>> (find). So far I'm
>>> stuck with:
>>>  http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsm.htm
>>>  http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsmusbb2.htm
>>>  http://www.directron.com/kl51.html
>>>  http://www.directron.com/psk3100u.html
>>>
>>> Does any of you know of a keyboard matches more of the
>> above requirements?
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Pander
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European Freerunner in USA?

2008-10-24 Thread joakim
I'm going to travel to the USA next month from Sweden. I will be in San
Fransisco and Vegas.

I would like to use my Freerunner as much as possible as a phone, so I
have some questions:
- Will gsm roaming with Telenor(Vodaphone) work well, or should I buy a
temporary card in the states?
- I have Huawei E220 and E270 3g (HSUPA) modems, do they work well in
the states? How much will a temporary flat rate 3g card cost?


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Call for mirrors for FDOM

2008-10-24 Thread David Samblas
Well some of you have send me a mail about my site is little bit
slow ... taking in count I have served about 20Gb in less than 2 days is
with peaks of 1 Gb/hour , slow is at least a good performance :)

I will try to make a script to balance beetween me an the mirrors but
actually there is only one updated
http://files.tdobson.net/openmoko/freerunner/fdom/  thanks Tim :)

Thanks to you all for your support :)

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Re: [OM2008.8 - testing] - no desktop icons any more.

2008-10-24 Thread Daniel Benoy
Is there any way to downgrade back to stable?

On Tuesday 21 October 2008 12:33:04 Benedikt Schindler wrote:
> hi,
> 
> is someone on the testing tree of the 2008.8 distro, and solved the icon 
> problem yet?
> 
> i upgraded to the latest testing 2008.8 packages.
> I know that there is a problem with the splash screen at boot up, that 
> isn't solved yet.
> so i disabled the boot screen (btw: that saves 10 seconds boot time)
> 
> But now i don't have any desktop icons.
> 
> also the clock-, battery- and signal-panel is at one place now.
> i restored the old "~/.e" directory but that didn't changed anything.
> 
> some ideas?
> 
> thx beni
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Re: Call for mirrors for FDOM

2008-10-24 Thread Alexandre Girard
Bittorrent could be a solution?

Maybe you can use http://beta.legaltorrents.com/ ?

Good luck ;)

Alex

El 24/10/2008, a las 19:53, David Samblas escribió:

> Well some of you have send me a mail about my site is little bit
> slow ... taking in count I have served about 20Gb in less than 2  
> days is
> with peaks of 1 Gb/hour , slow is at least a good performance :)
>
> I will try to make a script to balance beetween me an the mirrors but
> actually there is only one updated
> http://files.tdobson.net/openmoko/freerunner/fdom/  thanks Tim :)
>
> Thanks to you all for your support :)
>
> Regards
>
>
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Re: Call for mirrors for FDOM

2008-10-24 Thread Max Giesbert
have you considered providing a torrent?

regards

max

David Samblas schrieb:
> Well some of you have send me a mail about my site is little bit
> slow ... taking in count I have served about 20Gb in less than 2 days is
> with peaks of 1 Gb/hour , slow is at least a good performance :)
> 
> I will try to make a script to balance beetween me an the mirrors but
> actually there is only one updated
> http://files.tdobson.net/openmoko/freerunner/fdom/  thanks Tim :)
> 
> Thanks to you all for your support :)
> 
> Regards
> 
> 

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Re: External wired small USB keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread Joseph Reeves
Unfortunately it's the Windows key, more pictures here:

http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080716

If interest is high enough, however, I could probably get a batch
produced with whatever logo people want. Openmoko key anyone?

Joseph




2008/10/24 feywulf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Looks very cool.  The most important question is, What logo is on the 
> meta/super key?  Hopefully not the windows logo.
>
> -feywulf
>
>
> --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: External wired small USB keyboard
>> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
>> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 10:20 AM
>> Hi,
>>
>> We don't have any with a built in USB hub, but you may
>> be interested in:
>>
>> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex
>>
>> Especially the smaller model:
>>
>> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex/duraflex-mini
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/10/24 Pander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I'm looking for a wired small USB keyboard to use
>> on a Freerunner. I'm
>> > looking for one:
>> > - which is small in size, max 12 inch or 30 cm wide
>> > - has qwerty layout
>> > - has preferably no multi media buttons / hot keys
>> > - has preferably no LEDs
>> > - has a type A USB hub
>> > - has a mini type B USB jack
>> >
>> > Especially the last requirement is hard to match
>> (find). So far I'm
>> > stuck with:
>> >  http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsm.htm
>> >  http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsmusbb2.htm
>> >  http://www.directron.com/kl51.html
>> >  http://www.directron.com/psk3100u.html
>> >
>> > Does any of you know of a keyboard matches more of the
>> above requirements?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Pander
>> >
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Re: Call for mirrors for FDOM

2008-10-24 Thread Alastair Johnson
David Samblas wrote:
> Well some of you have send me a mail about my site is little bit
> slow ... taking in count I have served about 20Gb in less than 2 days is
> with peaks of 1 Gb/hour , slow is at least a good performance :)
> 
> I will try to make a script to balance beetween me an the mirrors but
> actually there is only one updated
> http://files.tdobson.net/openmoko/freerunner/fdom/  thanks Tim :)
> 
> Thanks to you all for your support :)

I should have our mirror updated by tomorrow morning UK time.

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Re: External wired small USB keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread Pander
Why not a Tux? That would cover a greater market. Note that a sticker
should be on the package, specifically designed for Linux.

Alternatively, what would be a more generic symbol for meta/super? In
that case you can 'use' it with Win/Mac/Lin.

Joseph Reeves wrote:
> Unfortunately it's the Windows key, more pictures here:
> 
> http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080716
> 
> If interest is high enough, however, I could probably get a batch
> produced with whatever logo people want. Openmoko key anyone?
> 
> Joseph
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2008/10/24 feywulf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Looks very cool.  The most important question is, What logo is on the 
>> meta/super key?  Hopefully not the windows logo.
>>
>> -feywulf
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: Re: External wired small USB keyboard
>>> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
>>> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 10:20 AM
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We don't have any with a built in USB hub, but you may
>>> be interested in:
>>>
>>> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex
>>>
>>> Especially the smaller model:
>>>
>>> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex/duraflex-mini
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/10/24 Pander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 Hi all,

 I'm looking for a wired small USB keyboard to use
>>> on a Freerunner. I'm
 looking for one:
 - which is small in size, max 12 inch or 30 cm wide
 - has qwerty layout
 - has preferably no multi media buttons / hot keys
 - has preferably no LEDs
 - has a type A USB hub
 - has a mini type B USB jack

 Especially the last requirement is hard to match
>>> (find). So far I'm
 stuck with:
  http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsm.htm
  http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsmusbb2.htm
  http://www.directron.com/kl51.html
  http://www.directron.com/psk3100u.html

 Does any of you know of a keyboard matches more of the
>>> above requirements?
 Thanks,

 Pander

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Re: European Freerunner in USA?

2008-10-24 Thread Bryan DeLuca
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:46:05 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm going to travel to the USA next month from Sweden. I will be in San
> Fransisco and Vegas.
> 
> I would like to use my Freerunner as much as possible as a phone, so I
> have some questions:
> - Will gsm roaming with Telenor(Vodaphone) work well, or should I buy a
> temporary card in the states?
> - I have Huawei E220 and E270 3g (HSUPA) modems, do they work well in
> the states? How much will a temporary flat rate 3g card cost?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Joakim Verona
> 

I'm not the best person to respond to this, but I think the most compatible 
network would be T-mobile.  Not sure on your roaming options.  There are 
several prepaid options from T-Mobile ($1/day, 10¢/minute, etc.) on their site 
http://www.t-mobile.com and they include t-zones (limited internet access).

Hope this helps,

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Re: External wired small USB keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
2008/10/24 Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex
>
> Especially the smaller model:
>
> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex/duraflex-mini

Do you have any prices?

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Re: External wired small USB keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
2008/10/24 Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex
>
> Especially the smaller model:
>
> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex/duraflex-mini

Do you have any prices?

Regards

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Re: Call for mirrors for FDOM

2008-10-24 Thread Eldon Koyle
Are the files available via rsync?  If so, it would be trivial for me to
add it to our mirror.  I'm lazy, so I'd rather not write new scripts ;).

-- 
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-- French Proverb

On  Oct 24 19:53+0200, David Samblas wrote:
> Well some of you have send me a mail about my site is little bit
> slow ... taking in count I have served about 20Gb in less than 2 days is
> with peaks of 1 Gb/hour , slow is at least a good performance :)
> 
> I will try to make a script to balance beetween me an the mirrors but
> actually there is only one updated
> http://files.tdobson.net/openmoko/freerunner/fdom/  thanks Tim :)
> 
> Thanks to you all for your support :)
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
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Re: External wired small USB keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread feywulf
Or it could be left blank so any image could be applied to it.  A sticker decal 
sheet to apply one of a selection of different images to let it appeal to as 
large a group as possible.  It might be hard to get a sticker that wouldn't 
come off when rolled up.

On older Unix keyboards the meta/super key had a diamond shaped graphic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_key

-feywulf


--- On Fri, 10/24/08, Pander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Pander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: External wired small USB keyboard
> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 12:42 PM
> Why not a Tux? That would cover a greater market. Note that
> a sticker
> should be on the package, specifically designed for Linux.
> 
> Alternatively, what would be a more generic symbol for
> meta/super? In
> that case you can 'use' it with Win/Mac/Lin.
> 
> Joseph Reeves wrote:
> > Unfortunately it's the Windows key, more pictures
> here:
> > 
> > http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080716
> > 
> > If interest is high enough, however, I could probably
> get a batch
> > produced with whatever logo people want. Openmoko key
> anyone?
> > 
> > Joseph
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 2008/10/24 feywulf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> Looks very cool.  The most important question is,
> What logo is on the meta/super key?  Hopefully not the
> windows logo.
> >>
> >> -feywulf
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Joseph Reeves
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: Joseph Reeves
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Subject: Re: External wired small USB keyboard
> >>> To: "List for Openmoko community
> discussion" 
> >>> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 10:20 AM
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> We don't have any with a built in USB hub,
> but you may
> >>> be interested in:
> >>>
> >>> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex
> >>>
> >>> Especially the smaller model:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex/duraflex-mini
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Joseph
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2008/10/24 Pander
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Hi all,
> 
>  I'm looking for a wired small USB
> keyboard to use
> >>> on a Freerunner. I'm
>  looking for one:
>  - which is small in size, max 12 inch or
> 30 cm wide
>  - has qwerty layout
>  - has preferably no multi media buttons /
> hot keys
>  - has preferably no LEDs
>  - has a type A USB hub
>  - has a mini type B USB jack
> 
>  Especially the last requirement is hard to
> match
> >>> (find). So far I'm
>  stuck with:
>   http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsm.htm
>   http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsmusbb2.htm
>   http://www.directron.com/kl51.html
>   http://www.directron.com/psk3100u.html
> 
>  Does any of you know of a keyboard matches
> more of the
> >>> above requirements?
>  Thanks,
> 
>  Pander
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Re: Call for mirrors for FDOM

2008-10-24 Thread Alastair Johnson
Alastair Johnson wrote:
> David Samblas wrote:
>> Well some of you have send me a mail about my site is little bit
>> slow ... taking in count I have served about 20Gb in less than 2 days is
>> with peaks of 1 Gb/hour , slow is at least a good performance :)
>>
>> I will try to make a script to balance beetween me an the mirrors but
>> actually there is only one updated
>> http://files.tdobson.net/openmoko/freerunner/fdom/  thanks Tim :)
>>
>> Thanks to you all for your support :)
> 
> I should have our mirror updated by tomorrow morning UK time.

Mirror now available at:

http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/mirror/ftp.tuxbrain.com/openmoko/fdom/releases/

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Re: [debian/zhone] Send an SMS

2008-10-24 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/9/30 Neil Jerram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2008/9/27 Jan Luebbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 19:42 +0100, Neil Jerram wrote:
>>> 2008/9/26 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> > Oh, the testing UI. Yes, you can send messages with that one as well.
>>> > Push 'Messages', then chose a contact from your SIM, then compose your
>>> > message, then it's going into the outbox and will be sent.
>>>
>>> Hm.  I couldn't make anything like that work.  I'll try again though
>>> if/when I have Debian installed again.
>>
>> In messages you need to push the button in the middle, then you will get
>> a small menu.
>
> I'm afraid I'm still not seeing / understanding this.
>
> Here is what I'm getting as the messages screen:
> http://www.ossau.uklinux.net/msgs.jpg (with personal information
> blacked out).
>
> Where am I supposed to press?

I finally worked out what I was missing here.  So for anyone else in
the same bemused state: you have to have some SIM contacts!

If you have (like me) mostly been using Qtopia, in its default mode,
then your Qtopia contacts will NOT have been copied to the SIM, and
hence they won't show up in Debian.  To fix this, select each contact
in Qtopia, then Options, then Export to SIM.

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Re: External wired small USB keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/10/25 Pander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> - which is small in size, max 12 inch or 30 cm wide
> - has qwerty layout
> - has preferably no multi media buttons / hot keys
> - has preferably no LEDs
> - has a type A USB hub
> - has a mini type B USB jack

i think you're going to find that last one near impossible. i'd
suggest hack one your self, or buy an adapter. i got one for US$3

try this for small:
http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10779   82mm wide

or this

http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10838   218mm wide

no hub in either though

iirc some people here had problems with using hubs in keyboard on the
neo - power draw i think was an issue. might want to check the
archives before looking

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Re: uboot version? wiki not accurate

2008-10-24 Thread Helmut Tessarek
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the answer.

Helmut

> The "lowlevel.bin" file is used with the debug board, to initialize the 
> Freerunner so that you can upload a copy of u-boot into RAM over JTAG. 
> If you don't have a debug board then you can ignore it.


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Re: uboot version? wiki not accurate

2008-10-24 Thread Helmut Tessarek
Hi Brenda,

> You mena in this page?
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Uboot

Yes, I meant this page.

Furthermore it would be nice to have a README file on
http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ that descibes the files.

Helmut


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Re: [debian/zhone] Send an SMS

2008-10-24 Thread arne anka
> I finally worked out what I was missing here.  So for anyone else in
> the same bemused state: you have to have some SIM contacts!


did not see that thread before -- but yes. it is so since zhone  
started.probably everybody presumed you know that.
bot do not despair!
the wiki has imo a description where to patch zhone to read from a vcard  
file instead.
i installed osmo for calendar/contacts/... and luckily it uses those  
files, so i recently fiddled with zhone and found where to patch to make  
it read all my numbers into zhone's contact list.
it's a bit late today, but i look at my code tomorrow and create a patch.

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Re: Call for mirrors for FDOM

2008-10-24 Thread Matt
Why not use bittorrent?
Then everyone who benefits, can also contribute, effortlessly.


Alastair Johnson wrote:
> Alastair Johnson wrote:
>   
>> David Samblas wrote:
>> 
>>> Well some of you have send me a mail about my site is little bit
>>> slow ... taking in count I have served about 20Gb in less than 2 days is
>>> with peaks of 1 Gb/hour , slow is at least a good performance :)
>>>
>>> I will try to make a script to balance beetween me an the mirrors but
>>> actually there is only one updated
>>> http://files.tdobson.net/openmoko/freerunner/fdom/  thanks Tim :)
>>>
>>> Thanks to you all for your support :)
>>>   
>> I should have our mirror updated by tomorrow morning UK time.
>> 
>
> Mirror now available at:
>
> http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/mirror/ftp.tuxbrain.com/openmoko/fdom/releases/
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I'm selling my spare Freerunner

2008-10-24 Thread Tim Coggins
Hello,

I'm selling my spare Freerunner - it's an original GTA02 with all the
"goodies" (unused headset, laser stylus, Openmoko pouch, etc). It's in
perfect as new condition and on eBay at:

  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150305682333

It also comes with a free Invisible Shield for protection.

Tim

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Re: New home for the New FDOM

2008-10-24 Thread Steve Mosher
  Thanks for GNUChess!

Steve

Ben Hussey wrote:
> ftp://ftp.tuxbrain.com/openmoko/fdom/[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:
>> Hi there,
>> There is a new FDOM release uploaded at ... no, NOT at compartida.net
>> as the topic suggest FDOM has a new home at  
>> http://www.tuxbrain.com/fdom_en.html
>> and if you ask yourself why is because Tuxbrain is my brand new  
>> company and I finally have my own server to upload those "light" images
>> Saergio please configure compartida as mirror if you don't mind
>>
>> This release is plenty of new things, the first and I believe the most  
>> Important is that you don't need to reflash your neo to FDOMize it :)
>> Thank's to Nacho, Armin and all of you who have give us ideas and  
>> links we have created the FDOMizer :) It can be considered a  
>> instruction's log of what we do from a OM2008.X to transform it to a  
>> FDOM,
>> The script has been structured to be able to update previous versions  
>> of FDOM to the latests one. even it has a "only fix" option in case  
>> some opkg update upgrade mess up things... better to say try to put  
>> order in the mess we created without success :)
>>
>> I have to say we have  no much time to test it so surelly this is the  
>> most unstable release of FDOM we have released, but thanks of the  
>> script you will know exactly what we have done an will be easy to know  
>> how to fix it, if you want to collaborate to improve Fdomizer for next  
>> release fell free to register on the devel list.
>>
>> Here is a few of the improvement we have added to this new version  
>> (maybe some of them will half-work and one or two doesn't work at all  
>> yet but surely in near future they will)
>> you can take a look directly at the script to see what and how is  
>> installed. here I post a list commented that can be used as guide to  
>> next steps (fix all that doesn't work out of the box)
>>
>> *dillo (this is FAST app definition ;) it's a pity it doesn't comes  
>> with ssl included)
>> *ePdfview, not tested yet
>> *gutenflash (is so geek app that is a must),
>> *qt-x11 calculator works fine :)
>> *lint-wifi(no wifi arround when I tested)
>> *fbreader(install but not apear on the main screen, must investigate why)
>> *Updated remoko to 0.3.2 (do not work for a dependency problem  
>> python-textutils packages seem to have bad MD5 from every where I try  
>> to download)
>> In the game part :)
>> *Updated Duke3D a version without sound but that works like a charm an  
>> has a semitransparent buttons
>> *Pingus :) since I know it exists I was willing to have them on the neo
>> *of course the venerated openmoocow!!! so silly that you must smile  
>> any time you upside down your neo
>> *And this one is for steve GNUChess ;)
>> And a lot of cosmetic fixes(arrange icons, submenus, search bar on  
>> contacts...) and some no so cosmetic (hwclock, alsa states, storage  
>> issue...) thanks to Armin
>>
>> And if you visit the page you will see one thing even my coadmins  
>> doesn't wait for }8-)>
>>
>> Things to improve that I'm not proud of,
>> GPL stuff, I was intended to document  where any piece of code comes  
>> from but I have no time to do that, so I will try to improve this  
>> making comments on the  script itself any time I put a binaries  
>> directly and revamped confs.
>> Pindgin It has been update in angstrom repository and it segfaults,  
>> surely is dependency issue but I need more time to test.
>> In the first start you must disable automated sleep for a couple of  
>> minutes to let the system time to stabilize.
>>
>>
>> Well surely you will discover a lot more things to not to be proud of,  
>> but that's what we like it, FAT and DIRTY ;)
>>
>> David Reyes Samblas Martinez
>> http://www.tuxbrain.com
>> Open ultraportable solutions,
>> watch out!! there is a Linux in you pocket ;)
> 
> The link titled, ftp://ftp.tuxbrain.com/openmoko/fdom/releases, points 
> to the same url but with FDOM in capital letters.  So I get a file not 
> found error.  The fdom needs to be changed to lowercase in the url.
> 
> -Ben
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Re: Finger Keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread Dale Maggee
on 2007.2:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./fingerkeyboard.py", line 62, in 
import etk
ImportError: No module named etk

:(

I also like the Idea, though, but some thoughts:

- The fullscreen keyboard should also have a 'paste' button, so that 
when you select the field (i.e: a cursor appears), the fullscreen 
keyboard immediately pops up, you type what you want, and you press the 
'ok / paste' button which makes the fullscreen keyboard dissappear and 
pastes the text you've entered into the text field. Maybe this could 
even be the enter key?

- I'd prefer not having to go from portrait to landscape and back every 
time I have to type something - if this could be done in portrait mode 
somehow, that would be very nice.

- if at all possible, making it terminal-friendly would also be a bonus. 
I'm thinking that certain keys (like the arrow keys) should immediately 
send that key signal, rather than having to arrow / paste. But then 
maybe the terminal isn't very friendly to a fullscreen keyboard...

-Dale

Leonti Bielski wrote:
> Did not tested it yet, but I think a big keyboard is a good idea.
> Big keyboard with a tiny text field (reasonably tiny :)) would be great to
> rapid texting without any guessing system.
> Leonti
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>   
>> Nik Lutz wrote:
>> 
>>> The code is a real hack - I see it as a proof of concept for my initial
>>>   
>> idea:
>> 
>>> The keyboard should have two modes.
>>> - A fullscreen-mode with plenty of space for big buttons and a textfield.
>>> - a minimized-mode with at least two buttons: one to switch to
>>> fullscreen. The second to PASTE the text that was written in
>>> fullscreen-mode to the target.
>>>   
>> I've not tested your keyboard due to some python errors (etk.TextView
>> wasn't recognized, and I had not time to workaround/fix it; however the
>> idea is really nice to me. I'd like to get a keyboard exactly like that
>> (and with a dictionary-based typo check like the illume standard
>> keyboard does)!
>>
>> I think that just adding to the Illume keyboard the ability of going
>> fullscreen (after rotating to landscape) with an its own text field to
>> be used as a temporary text field would be cool!
>>
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Re: Is Openmoko working on their 'back to basics' plan?

2008-10-24 Thread Dale Maggee
John,

Thank you very much, it's reassuring to hear these updates and to know 
that you guys are indeed working on it. I think that you'll make alot of 
people very happy if you keep updates like this coming!

Don't let a couple of negative opinions worry you. Personally I've had 
times when I've screamed 'god damn OM!' to myself, although I do my best 
to refrain from making any negative comments like that in public because 
it's not constructive and I'd rather encourage you guys. But I think 
it's safe to say that many of us have been frustrated at one point or 
another by an apparent lack of progress towards a working phone in the 
past. Also, many of us were overjoyed when you made the 'back to basics' 
announcement, and therefore can't wait to see some results.

Keeping us in the loop with whatever you can, even if it's very minimal, 
will stop people from being impatient and frustrated. This update is a 
very good thing, and I hope to see more of these updates (or, better, 
images / updated software!) as often as you can manage it! :)

-Dale

P.S: Boot time reduced by one minute already?!? nice work! :O


John Lee wrote:
> Dear community,
>
> http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/10/is-openmoko-working-on-there-back-to.html
>
> And please read my comment below.  I have to say I don't like opinions
> like this but I will take it as a result of high expectation.  We will
> keep sending to the public list once we have something, commit to
> public scm, etc. but we certainly won't do _weekly_ release.  For now
> please be patient and let the engineers work.
>
>
> Now for the status update this week:
>
> Tick merged the qtopia echo patch (#1267), it works, no echo but the
> audio sounds a little bit less 'vivid' (not sure if this is the right
> word).  He is now working on the touch screen usage, see
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-October/002712.html
>
> Olv and Erin is working on reducing boot time.  Currently it's reduced
> from 2:35 (Om2008.9) to around 1:40.  One minute less in one week, and
> Olv just got back from hospital last Monday.  We will merge this into
> OE once we get it organized properly.
>
> Jeremy is working together with kernel guy (aka Matt Hsu) to look into
> the possible improvement, namely take a screenshot and show it first
> during resume.  It's a common technique in mobile phone.
>
> Julian is working on the python loader.  He is new to python but he
> got very good helps here in the office such as Guillaume, etc.  He
> still got some distro work to finish so it's going to take a while
> before he can work full time on this.
>
> Currently we have a major blocker #2071.  It can be solved by update
> EFL, but no icons will show up in illume.  This seems to be a
> different bug, but we are having an evas-native related issue on the
> build server so the EFL packages are not updated correctly in
> downloads.openmoko.org.  This prevents people from confirming it and
> fire another bug.
>
> EFL ABI changed along with the svn rev increment last week, so
> Installer and Locations won't work without rebuilding.  Although
> people already got reassigned, but nobody will give Om2008 love except
> us and holger, so we will fix the issues above and update testing repo
> soon.
>
>
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> John
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Re: External wired small USB keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread Dale Maggee
Personally I'm waiting for this to come out:
http://www.freedominput.com/site/index.php?Itemid=30&id=13&option=com_content&task=view

it's not USB, but maybe it'll suit your needs.

I emailled the address listed on that website a while back, I think he 
said it should start production in september, and that he'll email me 
when it's available (or close to). I'll announce it here if other people 
are interested...

-Dale

Pander wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for a wired small USB keyboard to use on a Freerunner. I'm
> looking for one:
> - which is small in size, max 12 inch or 30 cm wide
> - has qwerty layout
> - has preferably no multi media buttons / hot keys
> - has preferably no LEDs
> - has a type A USB hub
> - has a mini type B USB jack
>
> Especially the last requirement is hard to match (find). So far I'm
> stuck with:
>   http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsm.htm
>   http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmsmusbb2.htm
>   http://www.directron.com/kl51.html
>   http://www.directron.com/psk3100u.html
>
> Does any of you know of a keyboard matches more of the above requirements?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pander
>
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Re: European Freerunner in USA?

2008-10-24 Thread Dale Maggee
Bryan DeLuca wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:46:05 +0200
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>   
>> I'm going to travel to the USA next month from Sweden. I will be in San
>> Fransisco and Vegas.
>>
>> I would like to use my Freerunner as much as possible as a phone, so I
>> have some questions:
>> - Will gsm roaming with Telenor(Vodaphone) work well, or should I buy a
>> temporary card in the states?
>> - I have Huawei E220 and E270 3g (HSUPA) modems, do they work well in
>> the states? How much will a temporary flat rate 3g card cost?
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Joakim Verona
>>
>> 
>
> I'm not the best person to respond to this, but I think the most compatible 
> network would be T-mobile.  Not sure on your roaming options.  There are 
> several prepaid options from T-Mobile ($1/day, 10¢/minute, etc.) on their 
> site http://www.t-mobile.com and they include t-zones (limited internet 
> access).
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>   
Isn't it a hardware thing? I.e the GSM networks in the USA operate on a 
different frequency? will it work at all with any carrier?

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Re: Call for mirrors for FDOM

2008-10-24 Thread Steve Mosher
Thanks Alastair.

Alastair Johnson wrote:
> Alastair Johnson wrote:
>> David Samblas wrote:
>>> Well some of you have send me a mail about my site is little bit
>>> slow ... taking in count I have served about 20Gb in less than 2 days is
>>> with peaks of 1 Gb/hour , slow is at least a good performance :)
>>>
>>> I will try to make a script to balance beetween me an the mirrors but
>>> actually there is only one updated
>>> http://files.tdobson.net/openmoko/freerunner/fdom/  thanks Tim :)
>>>
>>> Thanks to you all for your support :)
>> I should have our mirror updated by tomorrow morning UK time.
> 
> Mirror now available at:
> 
> http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/mirror/ftp.tuxbrain.com/openmoko/fdom/releases/
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