Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone

2008-12-08 Thread Chris Samuel
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 4:38:45 am Damien Thébault wrote:

>  * The GPS doesn't work

Odd, it does on mine (QT 4.4.2), just need to give it enough time to get a 
lock though.

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[QtExtended] Duplicate SMS's (was Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone)

2008-12-08 Thread Chris Samuel
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 9:42:19 am Micha? Brzozowski wrote:

> Yeah, what's the problem with duplicate messages

It appears to happen on mine if I have a stuck message in my Trash (i.e. one I
can't delete) and there are others in my Inbox or Trash.

It does appear to be a database error, certainly when I try and delete the
stuck message it logs the following errors:

Dec  9 18:47:27 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Messaging :  ( 3651 ) Failed to 
execute query; error:"constraint failed Unable to fetch 
row"; statement:"INSERT INTO deletedmessages 
(id,parentaccountid,serveruid,frommailbox) VALUES (?,?,?,?)"
Dec  9 18:47:27 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Failed to execute query; 
error:"constraint failed Unable to fetch row"; 
statement:"INSERT INTO deletedmessages 
(id,parentaccountid,serveruid,frommailbox) VALUES (?,?,?,?)"
Dec  9 18:47:27 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Messaging :  Could not execute 
query "deleteMessages insert removal records query"
Dec  9 18:47:27 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Messaging :  3651 Unable to 
removeMessages - code: 19

Very odd!
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Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone

2008-12-08 Thread Tom Yates
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Roland Whitehead wrote:

> Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very 
> clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a 
> brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, 
> will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on 
> a call.

modulo the buzzing, which i never had and cannot therefore say how to get 
rid of, my OM running 2008.09 does all that.  it's my day-to-day business 
and personal phone.

full instructions, including the version of images i'm booting from and 
what i've done to fix each of the problems, are at 
http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html .

> If you have a working machine, could you blat it and rebuild it to get 
> to the same position as you are in now?

yes, i've done so twice, that's what the instructions are for.  but 
hopefully they'll be of some use to you, too!


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2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) - "Settings" not running

2008-12-08 Thread W.Kenworthy
I am using 2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) and the Settings app wont
start - same if I run "exposure.py" in a terminal, and no debug is
printed.  A "ps aux" shows exposure running, but no window appears and
the command line returns without printing anything.

Is there a way to debug python apps and see where its going wrong?

BillK




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Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)

2008-12-08 Thread John Lee
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:16:03PM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 11:24 -0800, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote:
> > I've been testing todays openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 together
> > with testing-om-gta02-20081207.uImage.bin after following the ML without
> > actually flashing my freerunner a lot (for a few weeks).
> 
> BTW I just tested these images too, and I have no wifi (i.e. the
> settings allow to turn on GPS and Bluetooth, buth there's no more a WIFI
> entry). Is that expected ?
> 
>   Xav

yes.  please refer to

https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2003


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Re: perl for OM

2008-12-08 Thread W.Kenworthy
"opkg list|grep perl"

"opkg install perl"

BillK

On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 13:30 +, Graeme Gregory wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:20 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote:
> > Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR?
> > 
> 
> Yes it successfully compiles in OE, so if you log a feature request bug
> and request it get added to official feeds it should become available.
> 
> Graeme
> 
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geocaching with tangoGPS on FR

2008-12-08 Thread Nicolas LAURANCE

Hi freephone users,

I wrote a little python script that will inject geocaching positions 
into tangoGPS, so that you can use your freephone to locate the caches 
you select.


You'll find screenshots, instructions and download at :
http://www.zindep.com/blog-zindep/geocaching_tangogps

I hope it can be of some use

Nicolas


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Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone

2008-12-08 Thread Micha? Brzozowski
Damien Thébault wrote:
> The bad things:
>  * I get SMSes more than one time in the inbox, and there's problems
> with SMSes in the trash
>   
Yeah, what's the problem with duplicate messages?  I've seen it both in 
om2008 and in qtextended.  Some kind of database problem?  If not this, 
qtextended would be almost usable (if only it had a terminal emulator 
:-))...


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Re: Any progress on the Telit UC864 3.5G modem?

2008-12-08 Thread Sargun Dhillon
This is one of those modular devices, correct? Does this mean there is
a chance of being able to swap in a CDMA module?

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Justyn Butler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It's been quite a while since the MokoForesight page was updated, so I
> was wondering whether any more research went into the Telit UC864G
> modem (3.5G with integrated GPS).
>
> On the MokoForesight page it says:
>
> "Detailed documentation on Web. Can get even more documentation from 
> reseller."
> "First impression is good. UC864G includes all known bands and GPS
> receiver (saves more space & complications)."
>
> Which all sounded quite promising. Did it turn out to be a dead end?
>
> Regards, Justyn.
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2007.2 image - where can i find the same image that ships with the neo freerunner?

2008-12-08 Thread hy_kari
hi all, does anyone know where to find the same image that ships with neo 
freerunner, that is, the 2007.2 version. i know it is outdated, and i know 
there are some(millions) images here: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/   and 
here: buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ . 
but i'm not looking for "devel", "monster" or the "underground" images, i just 
want the same image that ships with the new phone

thanks



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Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)

2008-12-08 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 08 December 2008, Esben Stien wrote:
> John Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > opkg is obviously not very efficient, both in memory and in speed
>
> I don't care much about opkg since I use debian, but is there some
> rationale for developing a new package management system that I can
> read?

It's not exactly new. ipkg was developed for linux on iPaq because dpkg/apt 
was thought to be too resource hungry for such a constrained device. If you 
look at the workarounds applied to fit debian into NAND on the Freerunner you 
will see why. Purging package metadata comes just after purging unnecessary 
locales in the space saving measures. opkg is a contnuation of ipkg which 
IIRC stopped being maintained.

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Re: messed everything mixing repositories?

2008-12-08 Thread hy_kari
i've just noticed that, sorry.. i can find lots of images, just 2007.2 not. sad 
because it was working for me and i like it a lot more than the newer, slower 
and battery hungry 2008.10. i've seen non official images here: 
http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ and here: 
http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ i can choose between the 
"underground" series or "dev" among others, just not the f*** image that came 
with the neo preinstalled (lots of
dead links on the wiki). or i could try android -would be cool but probably 
slow and with missing features-. or 
debian, now that i'm happy not using it on my workstation anymore. excuse my 
frustration, the last thing i want 
is to start a flamewar. i just want a phone that makes calls and if possible 
that plays music, but do not have time 
to hack on it every day. there is a lot of information here, a bunch of 
distributions, each one with different
repositories and different bugs. i'm seeing that this is too complicated and i 
think 'll sell my 3 day old neo on 
ebay and wait 5 or 10 years before i buy a linux phone again because i really 
don't know what to do with it 
now that i can't restore what i've broken. i have linux on my desktop and 
that's the most important thing. next 
time i want to support a project like this one i'll just make a donation and 
wait until it's so fucking easy to use 
that i can give one to my grandma for christmas. well, that's a bit exaggerated 
but there is a limit, and if you
don't have enough time to hack on the device as it's needed to have it working, 
it's just as useless as a 
windows box in a linux convention






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> Betreff: Re: messed everything mixing repositories?

> please, prefix the subject with your distribution!
> it's not only a matter of politeness but, with the plethora of  
> distributions available, a pure necessity to help people to help you!
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> if you're still using 2007.2 flash something more recent -- 2007.2 is
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Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone

2008-12-08 Thread Markus Wachenheim
Hello Roland, you already have a good and detailed answer from Damien
which makes very much sense. Depending on what you exactly want I anyway
have some alternatives for you:

SHR Works perfectly with me. Is not as "fancy" as QTextended but just my
personal feeling is that is is more stable in the core functions:
- making and receiving calls and SMS I had absolutely no issues (but I
guess that differs a lot on what phone provider you use - Vodafone
Germany with me), as mentioned the application is very simple so you use
the SIM memory for contacts and SMS and you can only delete 1 SMS at a
time etc.
wifi connection to WPA2 protected WLAN works fine together with using
the DNS of my router without any extra settings
Suspend works but I think the battery still does not keep for too long
(1 day???) but I never really took note of that so I might be completely
wrong about battery life

so you might just want to try this out and see if that suits your needs,
more information here: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Get%20Started

 On my GTA02 v5 I am using this uImage:
http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+r10
+gitr6e2a723ef54ee2e739c34786981b2c508db803c1-r10-om-gta02.bin
and this rootfs:
http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2


And in addition I run Debian on my SD card which really gives you a lot
of options and runs stable with the FSO phone stack that it comes with.
You can expect exactly the same phone functionality as on SHR. But
Debian is for the fun and possibilities and loads of programs - if you
don't need that and don't want to bother configuring Debian to your
liking you don't have to read on!


Good instructions I used to install Debian on my SD card (you need an
SD card, recommended min 1GB!) as the distribution is very large are in
the Debian wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner 
In addition to those instructions I had to change one setting to prevent the 
GSM from constantly going on and off: I had to change the /etc/frameworkd.conf 
file under the ogsmd section to ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never (and only if you 
want to play around you can have a look at the tweaks at 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Time like how to set the time)

Hope this helps you enjoying you phone freedom as I am and does not make that 
confusing amount of choice agein

Markus

 Am Montag, den 08.12.2008, 18:38 +0100 schrieb Damien Thébault:
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 17:23, Roland Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very
> > clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a brick
> > to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, will ring,
> > answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on a call. After
> > that, the user should be left to get on with it but I've completely failed
> > to get to that stage despite trying 4 different distributions. I'm really
> > talking basic here - if you have a machine that works for you, what
> > Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using and where did you get them from?
> > What were the core applications that you loaded to make it work, where did
> > you get them from and which versions? What were the modifications that you
> > made to various settings files. If you have a working machine, could you
> > blat it and rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? If so,
> > would you document your process and share it with us? I don't really care
> > which distribution at the moment - I just want one that could claim to work
> > that I can then start developing with. I've got my Python books out ready...
> 
> I installed QtExtended, previously 4.3, it was the best distribution
> back then, and now 4.4 (and I think it's still the best):
> The image links are available here:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images
> I took the images from Hypnotize
> (see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035245.html )
> 
> qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with_voip+jabber+gtalk+SystemRingTones.jffs2
> from
> http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/
> 
> Then the stable kernel from mwester's
> http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels
> (maybe it changed)
> 
> And... well... that's all.
> 
> I used it last weekend because the battery of my old phone was empty.
> 
> The good things:
>  * SMSes are working
>  * Calls to voicemail are working, like a real phone (didn't try a
> real call with someone), keep in mind that you can hang up with the
> power button if you leave the dialer
>  * The phone wakes up when sleeping (when a call comes or a SMS comes)
>  * I really like the new handwriting input module, once you know how
> to use it in a different
> language than english:
>  - draw a triangle (lower left -> lower right -> up -> lower left),
> choose the lower-left choice to disable word recognition.
>  - draw some letters, if 

Re: [OM kernel newbie] Error building kernel

2008-12-08 Thread Rui Castro
Hi,

I think I found out my problems.
First it was a "bashism" like Asheesh pointed out. Thanks Asheesh.

After this I started to see another error with parenthesis
---
/bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `('
/bin/sh: -c: line 0: `echo 2.6.24-(no_fb42ce6724576fc1-mokodev >
include/config/kernel.release'
---

which was related with Andy said about not having a branch. the "(no"
was from the output of git branch
--
* (no branch)
master
...
--

I did "git checkout -b origin/my-andy-tracking --track origin/andy-tracking".
So, I created a local branch "origin/my-andy-tracking" and after that
./build compiled ok.

I don't know if there's a way to do this without creating a local branch.

Thanks Asheesh and Andy,
Rui

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> -
> -
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> | scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig
> |
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>
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Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone

2008-12-08 Thread Andreas "Cyberfrag" Fischer
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Hi Roland,

Since I was the one claiming that WSOD was gone, I'm gonna answer that.
As you should know if you skimmed through the list, there seem to be
several different hardware revisions of the Freerunner, all of which
have subtle differences with regard to hardware. For example some people
seem to never have gotten a WSOD, while for me (up to this weekend) it
was a 9 out of 10 chance that my phone would give me the WSOD on a
suspend/resume cycle. Also, I understand that other issues like the echo
are partly influenced by environmental issues (like what provider you
are using).

Am I able to tell you how to get a fully functional phone? No. It
depends on your specific scenario. However, I can tell you how I got to
the point where I am now - at a level where I (as a user who is not
dependent on his mobile phone) can more or less reasonably use my phone
without it being a brick.

The process I followed was (as far as I remember - this took me ~3
months after all): Flash OM2008.9 (along with provided kernel and
bootloader), install illume-config and illume-config-illume, update to
testing branch, deactivate auto-screen blank/suspend, update to newest
kernel. I'm not sure, whether I modified the alsa state file after
flashing OM2008.9, but since echo is not gone yet this should not make a
difference.
To shorten the process, you'd probably be at the same state if you just
flash the newest testing images.

This gives me at least:
- - Working calls, incoming and outgoing. Other party hears noticeable
echo of his/her own voice. Call quality on my side is good, though.
- - Working SMS, sending and receiving
- - Working GPS (used it several times for navigation already - very
useful in Venice for example)
- - Working suspend - no WSOD, phone wakes up on incoming calls.
- - (Probably) working WLAN (finds APs just fine, I think I connected once
to my own AP, but I'm using USB networking usually)
- - Unreliable accelerometers - they seem to crash sometimes. Didn't check
for some time, though - this may have changed.

Unconfirmed (because I don't use it at the moment):
- - Bluetooth
- - USB Host mode
- - GPRS
- - Headset
- - Provider service numbers (reportedly, these seem to cause problems)

Remaining nuisances:
- - I've been told that the echo on a call is very irritating for the
other party.
- - I want Raster's keyboard back :)

Apart from the echo, this is already way more than what my (very old)
Nokia phone could do. And with WSOD gone, 24h of battery time should be
easy to reach. I'd suppose that even 48h might be possible without problems.

Hope that gives you an overview of the situation.

Regards,
Andreas

Am 08.12.2008 17:23, Roland Whitehead schrieb:
> I, like a great many others I suspect, have a NeoFreerunner doing its
> best impression of a brick on the shelf because I just don't have the
> time to get it to the point where it works as a phone before I start
> doing what I got it for - developing additional software. Monitoring
> these lists and the wiki periodically produces an impetus for dusting it
> off and giving it another go (like this past week-end's claim that WSOD
> was gone) before reality sinks home and either the Neo white screens or
> my trusty Mac grey screens.
> 
> Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very
> clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a
> brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off,
> will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on
> a call. After that, the user should be left to get on with it but I've
> completely failed to get to that stage despite trying 4 different
> distributions. I'm really talking basic here - if you have a machine
> that works for you, what Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using and
> where did you get them from? What were the core applications that you
> loaded to make it work, where did you get them from and which versions?
> What were the modifications that you made to various settings files. If
> you have a working machine, could you blat it and rebuild it to get to
> the same position as you are in now? If so, would you document your
> process and share it with us? I don't really care which distribution at
> the moment - I just want one that could claim to work that I can then
> start developing with. I've got my Python books out ready...
> 
> I have searched high and low through the wiki and list archives for over
> a month with no joy. If I've missed something blindingly obvious then
> perhaps you'd point me in the right direction. I guess the issue is that
> I'm neither a hardware hacker nor a kernel hacker but an application
> hacker - I'm certainly not an "end user" in the normal mobile phone
> sense but I still can't get anywhere.
> 
> The temptation is just to say "oh well, I'll just leave it and go and
> play with Android or get an iPhone" but that is not what I got onto this
> for..

Re: Call history

2008-12-08 Thread Clemens Dörrhöfer
Clemens Dörrhöfer wrote:
> I am using Om2008.8 and my call history does not record the timestamp, 
> when that "callevent" was. Does anybody know how I can fix it?
> 
> By the way is it possible to alter the look of the contact detail view?
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I have solved the problem by flushing the 2008.9 rootfs. For now the 
timestamp gets recorded. In case I run into the problem again and I find 
out why this happens I will contact bug report.

But still. Does anyone know how to change the look of the detail view?

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Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)

2008-12-08 Thread Bastian Muck
Christoph Siegenthaler schrieb:
> Hey!
>
> I gave QTExtended 4.4.2 another go and you were right. It really is the
best
> option to use the FR as a basic phone atm. I'm not sure why I didn't
like it
> after flashing it the first time. I think I had some issues with
suspending.
> Haven't had any problems with it so far, using the om-testing kernel.
>
> The echo isn't so bad either, but still there. I haven't tried to tweak the
> state-files yet. Addressbook and Calender work too. Some other first
> impressions:
> - Timezone isn't set after one changes it in the initial setup
> - Alarm doesn't ring when phone is suspended
> - Does someone know a way to turn of "word prediction" in the handwriting
> input style?
>
I don't really know how to deactivate the wordprediction, but I am
very happy to use it with a german wordlist. (I guess, that you come
from germany cause of your name.) Give it a try. If you don't know
where to get just write.

> Best regards, Chris
>
> 
>
>
>
> Warren Baird wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Christoph Siegenthaler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Slowly but steadily my enthusiasm for the FR is vanishing. I was at least
>>> hoping to be able to use my freerunner as a basic phone after 5 months...
>>>
>>>
>> Sorry if I'm repeating myself here - but try QTExtended 4.4.2 - it's not
>> perfect, and I do miss having all of the funky X based software from the
>> OM2008 based stacks, but as a basic phone, it works quite well, and I get
>> 36-48 hour battery life...
>>
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Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)

2008-12-08 Thread Damien Thébault
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 09:01, Christoph Siegenthaler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> - Does someone know a way to turn of "word prediction" in the handwriting
> input style?

Like I wrote in an earlier email, draw the following triangle:
bottom-left -> bottom-right -> top -> bottom-left
And choose the "abc" (lower-left) button.

Have fun,
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Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone

2008-12-08 Thread Damien Thébault
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 17:23, Roland Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very
> clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a brick
> to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, will ring,
> answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on a call. After
> that, the user should be left to get on with it but I've completely failed
> to get to that stage despite trying 4 different distributions. I'm really
> talking basic here - if you have a machine that works for you, what
> Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using and where did you get them from?
> What were the core applications that you loaded to make it work, where did
> you get them from and which versions? What were the modifications that you
> made to various settings files. If you have a working machine, could you
> blat it and rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? If so,
> would you document your process and share it with us? I don't really care
> which distribution at the moment - I just want one that could claim to work
> that I can then start developing with. I've got my Python books out ready...

I installed QtExtended, previously 4.3, it was the best distribution
back then, and now 4.4 (and I think it's still the best):
The image links are available here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images
I took the images from Hypnotize
(see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035245.html )

qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with_voip+jabber+gtalk+SystemRingTones.jffs2
from
http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/

Then the stable kernel from mwester's
http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels
(maybe it changed)

And... well... that's all.

I used it last weekend because the battery of my old phone was empty.

The good things:
 * SMSes are working
 * Calls to voicemail are working, like a real phone (didn't try a
real call with someone), keep in mind that you can hang up with the
power button if you leave the dialer
 * The phone wakes up when sleeping (when a call comes or a SMS comes)
 * I really like the new handwriting input module, once you know how
to use it in a different
language than english:
 - draw a triangle (lower left -> lower right -> up -> lower left),
choose the lower-left choice to disable word recognition.
 - draw some letters, if it doesn't recognize it, try the next one
with the good gesture (lower-left -> upper right -> lower left) or
choose from the list (double clockwise circle)(this is most useful for
letters with accents)
 - insert special characters (double counter-clockwise circle)
Some characters (like "t" or "x" are a little hard to draw, but skill
improves over time, I'm now even capable of drawing an "i" instead of
"l" when I want to)

The bad things:
 * I get SMSes more than one time in the inbox, and there's problems
with SMSes in the trash
 * Sometimes it's acting weirdly and I have to restart QtExtended
(it's faster than just rebooting), and sometimes the phone think it's
charging when it's not even plugged in (so it doesn't sleep...)
 * There's the buzz issue with the wired headset

The "I don't like" things:
 * I don't really like the "kinetic" scrolling
 * Using a word file in my language would allow me to use the
handwriting more successfully
 * I think that my SD card (the one that came with the phone) is
broken, the phone can't recognize it, my laptop can't either, and if
it's plugged in, the SIM doesn't work

The "more than just a phone" things:
 * I don't really like the music player
 * The GPS doesn't work
 * I was not able to configure GPRS and MMS

I'm back to my old phone now, but for me it's definitively improving,
I'm waiting for 4.4.3/4.4.4.

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Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)

2008-12-08 Thread Esben Stien
John Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> opkg is obviously not very efficient, both in memory and in speed

I don't care much about opkg since I use debian, but is there some
rationale for developing a new package management system that I can
read?

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Re: [android] Maps application

2008-12-08 Thread Jim Ancona
Cédric Berger wrote:
> I see no reason why google would not allow the use of this API. Not
> open sourcing it is one thing, but it is an important piece of their
> framework, and their goal is to spread the use of android and its
> applications...

I agree completely! Now if someone from Google would chime in... :-)

> I have installed Andnav 2. Looks really promising. I do not know if it
> can run without google.map API (since I did add the library for other
> tests)
> Andnav1 was depending on it and its data. But due to licence issues,
> (for advanced use as navigation, offline cache,...), version 2 uses
> OSM.

It seems that Andnav is not open source, while osmdroid is GPL3. Same 
developer name in both places, so I'm guessing that Andnav uses osmdroid 
under the "I can relicense my code to myself" exception.

Apparently he plans to start charging for Andnav, but he's also asking 
for donations to fund a US server. Sounds like there's still some 
confusion about a business model.

osmdroid may still be a good option for an unencumbered Maps API for 
Android, especially if Google doesn't make their maps API distributable 
on devices running open source Android.

What I'd really like to see is a cloned (i.e. just change package name), 
open source reimplementation of the Google maps API with pluggable back 
ends that make it easy to use various map sources including OSM. I guess 
I should stop talking about it and start coding.

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Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone

2008-12-08 Thread Roland Whitehead
I, like a great many others I suspect, have a NeoFreerunner doing its  
best impression of a brick on the shelf because I just don't have the  
time to get it to the point where it works as a phone before I start  
doing what I got it for - developing additional software. Monitoring  
these lists and the wiki periodically produces an impetus for dusting  
it off and giving it another go (like this past week-end's claim that  
WSOD was gone) before reality sinks home and either the Neo white  
screens or my trusty Mac grey screens.


Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very  
clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a  
brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off,  
will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when  
on a call. After that, the user should be left to get on with it but  
I've completely failed to get to that stage despite trying 4 different  
distributions. I'm really talking basic here - if you have a machine  
that works for you, what Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using  
and where did you get them from? What were the core applications that  
you loaded to make it work, where did you get them from and which  
versions? What were the modifications that you made to various  
settings files. If you have a working machine, could you blat it and  
rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? If so, would  
you document your process and share it with us? I don't really care  
which distribution at the moment - I just want one that could claim to  
work that I can then start developing with. I've got my Python books  
out ready...


I have searched high and low through the wiki and list archives for  
over a month with no joy. If I've missed something blindingly obvious  
then perhaps you'd point me in the right direction. I guess the issue  
is that I'm neither a hardware hacker nor a kernel hacker but an  
application hacker - I'm certainly not an "end user" in the normal  
mobile phone sense but I still can't get anywhere.


The temptation is just to say "oh well, I'll just leave it and go and  
play with Android or get an iPhone" but that is not what I got onto  
this for...



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Re: [android] Unable to read long SMS messages

2008-12-08 Thread Andy Kilner
Ok, I've run a number of tests listening to the output of logcat.

1) Unsuccessfully sending an SMS message

2) Successfully receiving a short SMS message containing "Short message"

3) Unsuccessfully receiving a full SMS message (160 chars)

I'm not sure what the cutoff point is here for the length that can be
successfully received, I could try a few more and narrow it down.

4)  And just incase I haven't pissed anyone off enough attaching large
files I've included the logcat output (not just for radio) when
attempting to power down the device (which doesn't work and just sits
there with the spinner until I take the battery out).

Thanks for your help with this, if you can point me in the right
direction I'll help out as much as I can.

Cheers,

Andy

2008/12/8 Sean McNeil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> What would be really helpful is to have it plugged into a linux host and
> run the command
>
> ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio
>
> This assumes you have your host setup to connect usb over ethernet and
> have neo set to the proper IP.
>
> Andy Kilner wrote:
> > Hi, I've been using android on my freerunner for a few days now, the
> > original image and the latest image and both seem to have a problem
> > displaying SMS messages that go over a few words.
> >
> > Has anyone else experienced this problem, or do most of you just avoid
> > txting?  I'm afraid it's an essential requirement of my phone almost
> > more so than being able to place and receive calls.
> >
> > I've had a quick poke about on the adb shell but
> > data/data/com.google.android.providers.telephony/databases/sms.db
> > appears to be empty.  Can anyone point me in the direction of where
> > SMS's are stored, unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be
> > all that simple.
> >
> > The phone also refuses to send SMS messages, if I attempt to do so the
> > gsm connection is dropped and sometimes it can be a pain in the arse
> > getting it back.
> >
> > All in all though, (IMHO) Android is looking the more promising and
> > I'd like to stick with it.
> >
> > Cheers
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Re: [android] Maps application

2008-12-08 Thread Cédric Berger
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 21:45, Jim Ancona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> IANAL, but the SDK license agreement says "Except to the extent required
> by applicable third party licenses, you may not load any part of the SDK
> onto a mobile handset or any other hardware device except a personal
> computer, combine any part of the SDK with other software, or distribute
> any software or device incorporating a part of the SDK." I would read
> that as prohibiting even installing anything from the SDK on your own
> phone, never mind distributing it.
>

Yes, the point missing here is the "applicable third party licence".
(and it is not even really third party !).
I see no reason why google would not allow the use of this API. Not
open sourcing it is one thing, but it is an important piece of their
framework, and their goal is to spread the use of android and its
applications...


> Even if the API were available, Google's TOS are fairly restrictive (see
>  http://code.google.com/android/maps-api-signup.html). In particular,
> you may not "use the Service or Content with any products, systems, or
> applications for or in connection with (a) real time navigation or route
> guidance based on position input from a sensor (including but not
> limited to any visual or audible turn-byturn route guidance)". That
> seems to prohibit even using the GPS to indicate the direction to your
> destination.
>
> To avoid all these issues, one alternative is OSMdroid, a
> reimplementation of the Maps API using Open Street Maps data. It's at:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/osmdroid/
>

I have installed Andnav 2. Looks really promising. I do not know if it
can run without google.map API (since I did add the library for other
tests)
Andnav1 was depending on it and its data. But due to licence issues,
(for advanced use as navigation, offline cache,...), version 2 uses
OSM.

I will try the GPS tracking soon. For now, I could not test much
because I cannot get internet connectivity with Android on my neo.
But I cached some maps within Andnav2 in the Emulator, then copied
them onto my neo, so I can navigate the maps now.

(to try Andnav, you have to register on their site, but for I think it
is not yet opened to the US)
http://www.andnav.org/
http://www.andnav.org/index.php/community-forum?task=viewtopic&id=12

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Re: OMoney Milestone 1

2008-12-08 Thread Yorick Moko
hi bumbl,

feedback:
an edit/remove/remove all button would be handy

see you on irc
y

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Thomas Bumbl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd like to announce the initial release of OMoney!
> OMoney ... bookkeeping on the go.
> One might ask, why the hell do we need a bookkeeping software on a phone?
> Because my experience shows that if one does not record the gains and
> expenses one forgets half of them.
> And ... Because we can.
>
> As OMoney is one of those "release early, release often programs"
> milestone 1 at the moment includes "only" the following corefeatures:
>  * Displays the current available amount of money
>  * One can do transactions to add and deduce money
> * Automatic keyboard call
>  * A history table which includes date, time, amount, purpose and location
> of the transaction
>  * Basic error handling
>
> Downloadlink for the ipk:
> [1]
>
> More features will come soon:
> Currently I am implementing a settings dialog (to e.g. set the currency [at
> the moment one has to edit a constant in the omoney file])
> For more planned features look at the project's bug tracker.
>
> From a technical point of view OMoney uses:
>  * python
>  * python-ecore
>  * python-evas
>  * python-edje
>  * python-etk (for entry and table widget)
>  * python-sqlite3
>
> What do I want from you?
>  * Feedback:Do you like the app or do you think the author has gone
> round the bend?
> What could be improved?
> Features you would like to see?
> How could one display the history more efficiently?
>  * Patches:If you think a part of code is inefficient, too unflexible,
> incomplete, buggy, etc
> feel free to contribute a patch.
> Be kind, this is my first application with GUI
>
> I hope there are a few people who find this application useful.
>
> The sources and the bugtracker are located here [2]
>
> P.S.: Special thanks to Ainulindale for helping me with bitbake.
> And special thanks
>
>
> [1] http://omoney.googlecode.com/files/omoney_milestone1-1-r0_armv4t.ipk
> [2] http://code.google.com/p/omoney/
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Re: OMoney Milestone 1

2008-12-08 Thread Arigead
Thomas Bumbl wrote:

> What do I want from you?
>  * Feedback:Do you like the app or do you think the author has gone
> round the bend?
> What could be improved?
> Features you would like to see?
> How could one display the history more efficiently?
>  * Patches:If you think a part of code is inefficient, too unflexible,
> incomplete, buggy, etc
> feel free to contribute a patch.
> Be kind, this is my first application with GUI
> 

Firstly you beat me to it ;-) this was one of two apps that I wanted in 
my phone and I started on the other one so now I get to use yours for 
expenses. I've only just installed it in fso m4 but I'll have more 
detailed look at it later on this evening and get back to you on it.

In the mean time one thing that I'd really like is a smart phone, and 
I'd like your app to take advantage of the smarts. This is not really to 
do with your app as such but the FSO. I think it'd be as cool as if 
there was a project working on Context in the FSO and some app in which 
you could specify a new context based on gps coordinates, or wifi 
coverage, or whatever.

I'm dull as and there are only so many places that I eat lunch when I'm 
at work. Given that fact your app should not have to ask me where I'm 
spending money. If I'm at the same co-ordinates that I spent my money 
twice last week it should have a fair idea that I'm in the cafe by the 
river.

I'd not like to look at the history on the phone as even on that great 
screen I think you're on a hiding to nothing ;-) Create an app that will 
sit on the desktop and display you history in any number of ways. Use 
the FR for inputing the data on the spot and maybe give a summary on the 
phone but allow the user to really interrogate the data on the desktop. 
Maybe I'm getting even more anal in my old age but for some reason I 
wanted to have the FR recording my expenses in the coming year so that 
at the end of 2009 I could simply query how much did I spend in coffee 
last year?

OK I AM getting more anal ;-)

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Call history

2008-12-08 Thread Clemens Dörrhöfer
I am using Om2008.8 and my call history does not record the timestamp, 
when that "callevent" was. Does anybody know how I can fix it?

By the way is it possible to alter the look of the contact detail view?

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Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)

2008-12-08 Thread Yorick Moko
but what part of that 13% is caused by the absence of deep sleep (both
for GSM and for lcd) ?
this seemed to me something that had to be calculated/measured before
removing it...
(for the record: i have never had a WSOD, but I did have the re-registering bug)

but i consider both as "not fixed". it's a good workaround till there
is a better one, but it should not be considered fixed.
two/four kernels seems like a good idea

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> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> | The problem is:
> | This is afaik not a fix but a workaround which costs battery power.
> | So I think there should be two kernels:
> | One with and one without this patch.
>
> There's a small hit on suspend current, but it is evidently pretty small
> since two users tested it overnight (9h) at a cost of 13% battery.
>
> On andy-tracking shortly we plan to take down the regulator supplying
> the LCM during suspend and solve it that way, if the LCM ASIC doesn't
> have any more surprises.  Then it should even outperform the previous
> way with ASIC in Deep Sleep for current savings.
>
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Re: SD boot, mounting phone

2008-12-08 Thread Rodney Myers

On Dec 8, 2008, at 2:55 AM, arne anka wrote:


Now that all of this can happen, how do I mount the phone, so I can
edit the phone back to default?


doesn't your /etc/fstab contain an entry for /mnt/flash or so?
from installing debian on sd i got
/dev/mtdblock6  /mnt/flash  jffs2
defaults,noatime,noauto 0 2


which mounts the internal flash -- not sure, though, how stable the  
device

name is ...



I think I did see something like that. I will look later, and see what  
is there.


Thanks


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Re: SD boot, mounting phone

2008-12-08 Thread Rodney Myers

On Dec 8, 2008, at 2:29 AM, Andy Green wrote:


Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| This is not listed in the wiki.
|
| I can successfully boot from the SD card, using Hackable:1 (thanks
| folkes), and ssh into the SD card (thanks Arne, clare, Christopher &
Joel).
|
| Now that all of this can happen, how do I mount the phone, so I  
can edit

| the phone back to default?

What do you mean by "mount the phone"?  Which filesystem are you
thinking about mounting and editing?  If it is one on the SD card,  
then

the best thing to do is pop the SD Card out and meddle with it on a PC
via a card reader.

- -Andy


I'm booting from the SD card, attempting to unscrew the phone. If I  
can "mount" the phone, I can un-edit the "/etc/network/interfaces"  
file so I can ssh back into the phone, not the SD card.





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www.opkg.org - Update

2008-12-08 Thread Tobias Kündig
Hello everyone!

I finally found some time to work on www.opkg.org again.

The biggest update is the launch of an API to access the packages database.
There were also some other minor changes.

For more details about the update and the API visit 
http://www.opkg.org/posting_2.html.

Regards,
Tobias

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Re: Global domination

2008-12-08 Thread Gau, Frank
for your information: the 'underground' label is no longer associated 
with the 'pyneo-logo'.
pyneo has its own online shop, you'll find it here: 
http://pyneo.org/t-shirt/

frank

Christoph Pulster schrieb:
>>At your urging we have opened a storefront to sell Openmoko
>> merchandise.  http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc
> 
> I suggest to add this shirt style:
> http://www.neo1973-germany.de/raw-attachment/wiki/ 
> CommunityMemberOfTheMonth/shirt_front.JPG
> http://www.neo1973-germany.de/raw-attachment/wiki/ 
> CommunityMemberOfTheMonth/shirt_back.JPG
> 
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Re: Funding Global Domination

2008-12-08 Thread Arigead
Helge Hafting wrote:
> Arigead wrote:
> [...]
>> Thanks for the info all,
>> as Arne correctly spotted I was only interested in helping fund
>> global domination, which does not come for free. I can design my own T
>> Shirt and have it made but benefit to OM = Zero. Not interested in this
>> at all. If OM have made it clear they are not into derived products then
>> that answers the question I asked and the subject is closed.
>>
> There is always the benefit of free marketing, when someone wear a shirt
> with "openmoko" or similiar on it. They may sell more phones.
> 
> Or you could sell T-shirts, and collect some money to fund a developer
> for some time. Better software gives more sales.
> 
> There are other ways of support than direct money transfer, if you're 
> interested.
> 
> Helge Hafting
> 

Don't rate my chances of selling T-Shirts Helge ;-) I'm a programmer of 
sorts but my hands have been sort of tied by my use of a eeePC 700. 8Gig 
ain't a lot to play with. Yesterday I finally got my new eeePC 1000 so 
I've got enough memory to make a stab at some coding. All I have to do 
is learn how to build the Kernel and FSO and I'm away. I'm leaving 
T-Shirts to the experts, but I'll be happy to buy the good ones.

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Re: [android] Unable to read long SMS messages

2008-12-08 Thread Sean McNeil
Hi Andy,

What would be really helpful is to have it plugged into a linux host and 
run the command

ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio

This assumes you have your host setup to connect usb over ethernet and 
have neo set to the proper IP.

Andy Kilner wrote:
> Hi, I've been using android on my freerunner for a few days now, the 
> original image and the latest image and both seem to have a problem 
> displaying SMS messages that go over a few words.
>
> Has anyone else experienced this problem, or do most of you just avoid 
> txting?  I'm afraid it's an essential requirement of my phone almost 
> more so than being able to place and receive calls.
>
> I've had a quick poke about on the adb shell but 
> data/data/com.google.android.providers.telephony/databases/sms.db 
> appears to be empty.  Can anyone point me in the direction of where 
> SMS's are stored, unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be 
> all that simple.
>
> The phone also refuses to send SMS messages, if I attempt to do so the 
> gsm connection is dropped and sometimes it can be a pain in the arse 
> getting it back.
>
> All in all though, (IMHO) Android is looking the more promising and 
> I'd like to stick with it.
>
> Cheers
> 
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Re: FTP Client

2008-12-08 Thread Fox Mulder
Graeme Gregory wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 05:10 -0800, SCarlson wrote:
>> "Crystal Ball"?   This question is not specific to a distro flavor.  FSO or
>> OM2008, Openmoko, Qtopia. An ARM port of a ftp client... Just curious if
>> someone else has done the work already, if not I want to get one ported.
>>
> There are numerous ftp clients already in OE. What specific features do
> you search for? GUI? If its just a basic command line one then file a
> feature request bug to get it added to official feeds.

I use Debian and there i got many ftp clients from console to gui. For
example ncftp or filezilla, everything is there and they also should
work with other distributions on the freerunner.

Ciao,
 Rainer

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Re: perl for OM

2008-12-08 Thread Graeme Gregory
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:43 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote:
> Graeme Gregory пишет:
> > On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:20 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote:
> >   
> >> Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR?
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > Yes it successfully compiles in OE, so if you log a feature request bug
> > and request it get added to official feeds it should become available.
> >
> > Graeme
> >   
> 
> Sorry for asking. But what OE stands for?

OpenEmbedded, the build system that OM uses. There is an awful lot more
software in OE than what is officially supported by OM.

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Re: perl for OM

2008-12-08 Thread Ivan Shirokoff
Graeme Gregory пишет:
> On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:20 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote:
>   
>> Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR?
>>
>> 
>
> Yes it successfully compiles in OE, so if you log a feature request bug
> and request it get added to official feeds it should become available.
>
> Graeme
>   

Sorry for asking. But what OE stands for?
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Re: FTP Client

2008-12-08 Thread Graeme Gregory
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 05:10 -0800, SCarlson wrote:
> "Crystal Ball"?   This question is not specific to a distro flavor.  FSO or
> OM2008, Openmoko, Qtopia. An ARM port of a ftp client... Just curious if
> someone else has done the work already, if not I want to get one ported.
> 
There are numerous ftp clients already in OE. What specific features do
you search for? GUI? If its just a basic command line one then file a
feature request bug to get it added to official feeds.

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Re: perl for OM

2008-12-08 Thread Graeme Gregory
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:20 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote:
> Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR?
> 

Yes it successfully compiles in OE, so if you log a feature request bug
and request it get added to official feeds it should become available.

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Re: FTP Client

2008-12-08 Thread Joseph Reeves
http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/yet_another_openmoko_ftp_client


2008/12/8 SCarlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> "Crystal Ball"?   This question is not specific to a distro flavor.  FSO or
> OM2008, Openmoko, Qtopia. An ARM port of a ftp client... Just curious if
> someone else has done the work already, if not I want to get one ported.
>
> Scott
>
>
> arne anka wrote:
>>
>> sorry, my crystal ball just broke ...
>>
>> please, prefix the subject with your distribution!
>> it's not only a matter of politeness but, with the plethora of
>> distributions available, a pure necessity to help people to help you!
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Re: microsSD doesn't mount any more!

2008-12-08 Thread Tony Berth
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Evgeny Karyakin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> 2008/12/8 Tony Berth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> | [   30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8
> >>> Are there some glamo-mci errors floating around before that?
> > some more feedback:
> >
> > I did format my card with 'http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter/'
> but
> > still doesn't work on FR. I get following dmesg:
> >
> > [   73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
> > [   73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120
> > [   73.06] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
> > [   73.065000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
> > [   73.065000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
> ...
>
>   I suffered (and to some extent still suffering) with similar
> troubles and ended up completely "blank" SD card with "dd
> if=/dev/random of=/dev/mmcblk0" command, and then repartition it with
> fdisk as described in wiki[1]. Also you can try slowing down glamo
> rate for SD access by getting some hints from[2], although the latter
> trick has to deal with another problem.
>
> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Partioning_the_SD_card
> [2] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743#comment:4
>
>
just for the records, when I did another upgrade today with the latest
updates in the test repository, my card was picked-up by FR. So I think now
the problem (whatever it was!) should be regarded as solved.

Thanks

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Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-08 Thread Holger Freyther

Am 08.12.2008 um 13:38 schrieb Joseph Reeves:

> GTK support seems mildly improved in the testing release, but I'm
> still having big troubles with it. Note, that relatively simple GTK
> apps, such as TangoGPS work without issue.
>
> We're running a complex GTK app:  http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/
>
> It works perfectly on 2007.2, but on 2008.x releases it suffers from
> multiple problems; layouting and stability seem to the big ones. It is
> improved when running on the latest testing release, but still not up
> to the standard of GTK applications on 2007.2.
>
> We were promised that we wouldn't need to worry about Openmoko moving
> away from GTK as the latest releases would still run GTK applications.
> However performance is clearly below an acceptable level.


Yes, please file bugs. Please also attach the versions of cairo, gtk+,  
glib, pango from Om2007.2 and Om2008.8.

Did you try to use a different theme engine? Is that changing the  
performance?

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perl for OM

2008-12-08 Thread Ivan Shirokoff
Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR?

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Re: FTP Client

2008-12-08 Thread SCarlson

"Crystal Ball"?   This question is not specific to a distro flavor.  FSO or
OM2008, Openmoko, Qtopia. An ARM port of a ftp client... Just curious if
someone else has done the work already, if not I want to get one ported.

Scott


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> 
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Re: [android] Unable to read long SMS messages

2008-12-08 Thread imran ali
hey, i tried to install on my freeRunner, but
after installing it is not woking,
if any one know the correct binary for android then kindly send
link, or process!
thanks and regard
imran

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Andy Kilner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, I've been using android on my freerunner for a few days now, the
> original image and the latest image and both seem to have a problem
> displaying SMS messages that go over a few words.
>
> Has anyone else experienced this problem, or do most of you just avoid
> txting?  I'm afraid it's an essential requirement of my phone almost more so
> than being able to place and receive calls.
>
> I've had a quick poke about on the adb shell but
> data/data/com.google.android.providers.telephony/databases/sms.db appears to
> be empty.  Can anyone point me in the direction of where SMS's are stored,
> unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be all that simple.
>
> The phone also refuses to send SMS messages, if I attempt to do so the gsm
> connection is dropped and sometimes it can be a pain in the arse getting it
> back.
>
> All in all though, (IMHO) Android is looking the more promising and I'd
> like to stick with it.
>
> Cheers
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[android] Unable to read long SMS messages

2008-12-08 Thread Andy Kilner
Hi, I've been using android on my freerunner for a few days now, the
original image and the latest image and both seem to have a problem
displaying SMS messages that go over a few words.

Has anyone else experienced this problem, or do most of you just avoid
txting?  I'm afraid it's an essential requirement of my phone almost more so
than being able to place and receive calls.

I've had a quick poke about on the adb shell but
data/data/com.google.android.providers.telephony/databases/sms.db appears to
be empty.  Can anyone point me in the direction of where SMS's are stored,
unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be all that simple.

The phone also refuses to send SMS messages, if I attempt to do so the gsm
connection is dropped and sometimes it can be a pain in the arse getting it
back.

All in all though, (IMHO) Android is looking the more promising and I'd like
to stick with it.

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Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-08 Thread Joseph Reeves
GTK support seems mildly improved in the testing release, but I'm
still having big troubles with it. Note, that relatively simple GTK
apps, such as TangoGPS work without issue.

We're running a complex GTK app:  http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/

It works perfectly on 2007.2, but on 2008.x releases it suffers from
multiple problems; layouting and stability seem to the big ones. It is
improved when running on the latest testing release, but still not up
to the standard of GTK applications on 2007.2.

We were promised that we wouldn't need to worry about Openmoko moving
away from GTK as the latest releases would still run GTK applications.
However performance is clearly below an acceptable level.

I will be filing bugs ASAP and would be very interested in hearing
comments from others. If anyone would like a copy of the gvSIG Mobile
ipk for testing, please let me know.

Thanks,

Joseph



2008/11/30 John Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Dear Community,
>
> As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
> we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
> to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
> we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
> report any error you find.
>
>
> Upgrade howto:
>
> From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
>
> sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
> screen -DR
> opkg update
> opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
> # (please ans Y to all questions)
> # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
> # 'screen -DR' again)
> opkg upgrade
> shutdown -r now
>
> To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
> packages:
>
> opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
> task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
> usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
> exquisite-themes
>
>
> Known issues:
>
> * GTK redraw problem
> * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
> * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
> * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
>  stuffs like suspend time again.
>
>
> Echo:
>
> Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> neo.  My way is to adjust
> control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
>
> the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> audio quality.
>
>
> Team update:
>
> Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
> he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
> and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
> redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
> and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
>
>
> Regards,
> John
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Funding Global Domination Mk II "The Console"

2008-12-08 Thread Arigead
Sorry about this but I had another thought on this subject after the 
T-Shirt thread. This one might be a bit less "easy" ;-)

Hats off to OM for producing Open Hardware for programmers to create 
their ideas on. It's has been a noble effort and I hope it continues. I 
was thinking that the choice of Open Platform (Mobile Phone) was perhaps 
one of the most difficult choices that they could have made as very 
little Open software existed out there when they started. There are a 
lot of imaginative people in the community and in the fullness of time 
this is going to be brilliant.

I was thinking that one possible area where an open platform is needed 
is The Console. I've heard of a lot of people getting the original 
Microsoft xBox to hack it so that they can run unsigned code in the box. 
They then run XBMC in it. It seems such a shame that you have to buy a 
M$ games console to run an open source Media Centre.

Along the same lines a few years ago I spent months trying get MythTV 
running in an old Desktop to enable me to record TV. What can I say I 
never quite made it. Now to my knowledge the original xBox was not too 
far removed from a regular PC in nice plastics. It had TV out instead of 
a regular monitor connection. That is perhaps an an area of difficulty 
as perhaps different countries run different TV protocols.

Anyhow some day I'd like to put together some hardware that could run 
MythTV, XBMC maybe have a huge Terabyte of storage and act as a file 
server as well. Maybe it could run Linux games as well and various 
emulators. Yes what Linux games ;-)

So you'd have a PC Motherboard, TV out don't know what standard. Do all 
modern TV's take the same digital connection all over the world? Then 
you'll have a TV in signal for recording TV. Again I've no idea if that 
would mean different hardware all over the world. Ethernet, USB, Remote 
control. Nice plastics.

A few companies have toyed with the idea of producing Open Console but 
to my knowledge nobody has ever really done it well. Yes there are 
various communities out there and that if anything shows that there has 
always been this "need".

The last thing I'd want is for OM to dilute their effort on the FR but 
maybe someday they could become the name in OpenHardware. "OpenMoko 
Purveyors of OpenHardware since the start of the new millennium ;-)"
Maybe I should join the Open Game Console Consortium and get some 
hardware specs and put my own console together that might take some time 
so if OM beat me to it I'll certainly buy their kit again.

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Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)

2008-12-08 Thread Chris Samuel
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 7:01:48 pm Christoph Siegenthaler wrote:

> The echo isn't so bad either, but still there.

Yeah, it only tries to set the echo suppression for outgoing calls.  I tried 
to patch it to set it for incoming calls as well but without any success.

I also find that mine goes into speakerphone occasionally for incoming calls
which is, umm, inconvenient, shall we say.. :-)

> Addressbook and Calender work too.

Yup!

> Some other first impressions:
> - Timezone isn't set after one changes it in the initial setup

The Qtopia folks image is a bit broken sadly, I'm using the one that Morten 
put together here:

 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1437402i40

I do wish they'd post a fixed one!

> - Alarm doesn't ring when phone is suspended

Yeah, I can confirm that.

> - Does someone know a way to turn of "word prediction" in the
> handwriting input style?

This should do it (not tried it myself yet):

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_/_Qt_Extended_on_FreeRunner#Internationalization

cheers!
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Re: [u-boot] Environment garbled after setenv?

2008-12-08 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 08 December 2008, Evgeniy Karyakin wrote:
> Al Johnson:
> > On Sunday 07 December 2008, Evgeniy Karyakin wrote:
> >> Joachim Breitner:
> >>> AFAIR, the NOR uboot and the NAND uboot don’t share the environment –
> >>> is that right?
> >>
> >> Then I don't know what "u-boot_env" points to. If we update NAND
> >> environment and then boot with the help of NOR menu, I don't see a
> >> point. Frankly I never tried NAND, maybe I should now.
> >
> > The NOR uboot environment is stored in NOR, and you can't change it
> > unless you have a debug board. This is intentional as the NOR uboot is
> > there to stop you being able to brick your phone, and it wouldn't be much
> > good at that if you could wipe its environment. You should usually be
> > using the NAND uboot which keeps its environment in NAND in the
> > u-boot_env area.
>
> This explains everything, Al, thanks. So when I use a terminal to
> get into U-Boot console, I interact with NOR machinery, and u-boot_env
> storage is really in NAND field; that makes a point.

There's a bit more to it than that. As I understand it there are two entirely 
separate instances of uboot, each with separate environment storage. You can 
get into the uboot console of either of them, depending on which one you 
start.

NOR: Press and old Aux, then press and hold Power. NOR uboot menu should 
appear in ~2s. Environment is loaded from NOR storage. If you connect to the 
console you can edit the environment for that session, but you can't save the 
changes. This is so you always have a working uboot that will enable you to 
reload the NAND uboot and its environment, or replace it with an alternative 
bootloader such as Qi.

NAND: Press and hold Power then press and hold Aux. NAND uboot menu should 
appear in ~10s. Environment is loaded from NAND storage. If you connect to 
the console you can edit the environment and save the changes back to NAND.

Normal boot (just the power button) uses the default boot option for the NAND 
uboot.


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Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)

2008-12-08 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 11:24 -0800, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote:
> I've been testing todays openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 together
> with testing-om-gta02-20081207.uImage.bin after following the ML without
> actually flashing my freerunner a lot (for a few weeks).

BTW I just tested these images too, and I have no wifi (i.e. the
settings allow to turn on GPS and Bluetooth, buth there's no more a WIFI
entry). Is that expected ?

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Re: microsSD doesn't mount any more!

2008-12-08 Thread Evgeny Karyakin
2008/12/8 Tony Berth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> | [   30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8
>>> Are there some glamo-mci errors floating around before that?
> some more feedback:
>
> I did format my card with 'http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter/' but
> still doesn't work on FR. I get following dmesg:
>
> [   73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
> [   73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120
> [   73.06] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
> [   73.065000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
> [   73.065000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
...

   I suffered (and to some extent still suffering) with similar
troubles and ended up completely "blank" SD card with "dd
if=/dev/random of=/dev/mmcblk0" command, and then repartition it with
fdisk as described in wiki[1]. Also you can try slowing down glamo
rate for SD access by getting some hints from[2], although the latter
trick has to deal with another problem.

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Partioning_the_SD_card
[2] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743#comment:4

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Re: SD boot, mounting phone

2008-12-08 Thread arne anka
> Now that all of this can happen, how do I mount the phone, so I can
> edit the phone back to default?

doesn't your /etc/fstab contain an entry for /mnt/flash or so?
 from installing debian on sd i got
/dev/mtdblock6  /mnt/flash  jffs2   defaults,noatime,noauto 0 2

which mounts the internal flash -- not sure, though, how stable the device  
name is ...

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Re: [OM kernel newbie] Error building kernel

2008-12-08 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Hi,
|
| I've been trying to compile openmoko kernel and I can't even start
| because of this dummy error:
|
- 
-
| $ ./build dummy
| scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig
|
| scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig
|   CHK include/linux/version.h
| /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected

This is coming out of not having a branch initialized in git I think
you'll find.

Try

git branch

in that dir and you'll see some error in parenthesis.

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Re: SD boot, mounting phone

2008-12-08 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| This is not listed in the wiki.
|
| I can successfully boot from the SD card, using Hackable:1 (thanks
| folkes), and ssh into the SD card (thanks Arne, clare, Christopher &
Joel).
|
| Now that all of this can happen, how do I mount the phone, so I can edit
| the phone back to default?

What do you mean by "mount the phone"?  Which filesystem are you
thinking about mounting and editing?  If it is one on the SD card, then
the best thing to do is pop the SD Card out and meddle with it on a PC
via a card reader.

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Re: FTP Client

2008-12-08 Thread arne anka
sorry, my crystal ball just broke ...

please, prefix the subject with your distribution!
it's not only a matter of politeness but, with the plethora of   
distributions available, a pure necessity to help people to help you!
 

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Re: messed everything mixing repositories?

2008-12-08 Thread arne anka
please, prefix the subject with your distribution!
it's not only a matter of politeness but, with the plethora of  
distributions available, a pure necessity to help people to help you!

if you're still using 2007.2 flash something more recent -- 2007.2 is dead.

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Re: wifi using GUI in 2008.9

2008-12-08 Thread arne anka
> My accesspoint is configured in wpa_supplicant, but the gui keeps asking  
> me
> for the key. Should I just not fill it in then?

dunno. never used any gui for wlan on the fr.
but i'd expect any gui to checl with wpa_supplicant.conf first -- what  
your gui obviously not does.
maybe grepping either in your home directory or in /etc (since 2008.9  
probably lets run you the fr as root) for the name of your ap might reveal  
a file which you could monitor?
but soem of these password helpers use to store passwords after successful  
login only, so you're probaly forced to type the correct phrase.
you could, though, put the phrase in a file, scp it to the fra nd try if  
c&p will work.

last idea: bug the developers of the gui.

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Re: microsSD doesn't mount any more!

2008-12-08 Thread Tony Berth
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Tony Berth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
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>> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
>>
>> | When in BootLoader, shows that there is a card of 3MB and when I
>> | boot with the latest 2008.9 jffs I get following dmesg output:
>>
>> U-Boot driver doesn't understand enough SHDC to get this right, but it
>> doesn't hurt anything unless you try to get U-Boot to touch anything
>> above 4GB.
>>
>> | 
>> | [   30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8
>>
>> Are there some glamo-mci errors floating around before that?
>>
>> - -Andy
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> here it is:
>
> ---
> [   30.225000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
> [   30.225000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
> [   30.23] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
> [   30.23] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
> [   30.24] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20
> [   30.24] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120
> [   30.245000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
> [   30.25] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 8
> [   30.25] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 1
> [   30.255000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
> [   30.255000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8122
> [   30.26] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command
> [   30.265000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 16
> [   30.265000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 2
> [   30.27] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20
> [   30.275000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x122
> [   30.28] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command
> [   30.285000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 24
> [   30.285000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 3
> [   30.30] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
> [   30.30] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
> [   30.305000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
> [   30.305000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
> [   30.36] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20
> [   30.36] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
> [   30.365000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 64
> [   30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8
> [   34.83] FAT: bogus logical sector size 65535
> [   34.83] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev mmcblk0.
> [   34.84] FAT: bogus logical sector size 65535
> [   34.84] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev mmcblk0.
>
> 
>
> Thanks
>
>
some more feedback:

I did format my card with 'http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter/' but
still doesn't work on FR. I get following dmesg:

---
[   73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
[   73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120
[   73.06] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
[   73.065000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
[   73.065000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
[   73.07] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20
[   73.07] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x122
[   73.075000] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command
[   73.08] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 8
[   73.08] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 1
[   73.09] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
[   73.09] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8122
[   73.095000] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command
[   73.10] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 16
[   73.10] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 2
[   73.105000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20
[   73.105000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x122
[   73.11] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command
[   73.115000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 24
[   73.115000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 3
[   73.125000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
[   73.125000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8122
[   73.13] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command
[   73.135000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
[   73.135000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
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any help?

Thanks

Tony
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Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)

2008-12-08 Thread Christoph Siegenthaler

Hey!

I gave QTExtended 4.4.2 another go and you were right. It really is the best
option to use the FR as a basic phone atm. I'm not sure why I didn't like it
after flashing it the first time. I think I had some issues with suspending.
Haven't had any problems with it so far, using the om-testing kernel.

The echo isn't so bad either, but still there. I haven't tried to tweak the
state-files yet. Addressbook and Calender work too. Some other first
impressions:
- Timezone isn't set after one changes it in the initial setup
- Alarm doesn't ring when phone is suspended
- Does someone know a way to turn of "word prediction" in the handwriting
input style?

Best regards, Chris

 



Warren Baird wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Christoph Siegenthaler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> 
>>
>> Slowly but steadily my enthusiasm for the FR is vanishing. I was at least
>> hoping to be able to use my freerunner as a basic phone after 5 months...
>>
>>
> Sorry if I'm repeating myself here - but try QTExtended 4.4.2 - it's not
> perfect, and I do miss having all of the funky X based software from the
> OM2008 based stacks, but as a basic phone, it works quite well, and I get
> 36-48 hour battery life...
> 
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