Re: [Debian] e17 screen lock

[John Sullivan]

"Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"  writes:

> John Sullivan ha scritto:
>> So, I build e17 from svn and use it with illume on Debian.
>> 
>> By default, the e screen locking function goes to a password lock, which
>> obviously isn't good for the FR. I know that on SHR using illume this
>> instead goes to a simpler lock mechanism that can be unlocked just by
>> pushing a button or whatever. 
>> 
>> Can anyone suggest how I can get behavior like this instead of the
>> password lock? 
>
> Go in enlightenment configuration -> Input -> Key bindings ->
> Keycode-177 define it as Simple Desktop Lock.

Brilliant, thanks.

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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer?

[The Digital Pioneer]

Well, unfortunately:

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install gst-plugin-volume
Package gst-plugin-volume (0.10.17-r5) installed in root is up to date.
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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer?

[Dylan Reilly]

Looks like I neglected to add a dependency to the package. Install
gst-plugin-volume. One can get it from SHR or FSO repositories (e.g.,
[1]). I will add the required dependency to the package tomorrow.

Thanks for finding this and let me know if anything else bugs out.

[1] 
http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/feeds/armv4t/gst-plugin-volume_0.10.17-r5_armv4t.ipk

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Dylan Reilly  wrote:
> Which version were you using? Can you send me the output of
> /tmp/pythm.log ? (You can send it to me directly if you wish).
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:27 PM, The Digital Pioneer
>  wrote:
>> Hey, I'm trying to use Pythm, but the gstreamer backend seems broken. It
>> doesn't play any sound, and judging by CPU usage, it's not even trying. I
>> have no idea where to look to diagnose this...
>>
>> Meanwhile, the mplayer backend works just fine so long as I make sure to set
>> the audio codec to vorbis. Plays at 15-18% CPU, with mono -q4 oggs.
>>
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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer?

[Dylan Reilly]

Which version were you using? Can you send me the output of
/tmp/pythm.log ? (You can send it to me directly if you wish).

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:27 PM, The Digital Pioneer
 wrote:
> Hey, I'm trying to use Pythm, but the gstreamer backend seems broken. It
> doesn't play any sound, and judging by CPU usage, it's not even trying. I
> have no idea where to look to diagnose this...
>
> Meanwhile, the mplayer backend works just fine so long as I make sure to set
> the audio codec to vorbis. Plays at 15-18% CPU, with mono -q4 oggs.
>
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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer?

[The Digital Pioneer]

See subject, I use SHR-Unstable. :\ Is mpd available for that?
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Re: Problem installing apache webserver on my FreeRunner

[HouYu Li]

You can try build thttpd with openmoko toolchain..

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Nelson Castillo wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Stefan Monnier
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> >>  I just got my new FR fone as a part of my university research program
> >>  and tried installing apache2 but it does not install.It returns error
> >>  status 2.
> >
> >> Can you guys suggest how i can go ahead. I am using OM 2008.12. I tried
> >> opkg install apache2
> >
> > FWIW, maybe you'd be better served by installing Debian since you then
> > have a larger collection of standard packages.
>
> I've had good luck with the Cherokee webserver on the ARM (Cherokee + PHP).
>
> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=cherokee
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> I've used it with Openembedded also. I remember we even had a custom
> recipe for the latest version (available 1 1/2 years ago) but it
> wasn't in shape to be contributed back.
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Re: Problem installing apache webserver on my FreeRunner

[Nelson Castillo]

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Stefan Monnier
 wrote:
>>  I just got my new FR fone as a part of my university research program
>>  and tried installing apache2 but it does not install.It returns error
>>  status 2.
>
>> Can you guys suggest how i can go ahead. I am using OM 2008.12. I tried
>> opkg install apache2
>
> FWIW, maybe you'd be better served by installing Debian since you then
> have a larger collection of standard packages.

I've had good luck with the Cherokee webserver on the ARM (Cherokee + PHP).

http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=cherokee

I've used it with Openembedded also. I remember we even had a custom
recipe for the latest version (available 1 1/2 years ago) but it
wasn't in shape to be contributed back.

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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer?

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> Hey, I'm trying to use Pythm, but the gstreamer backend seems broken.
> It doesn't play any sound, and judging by CPU usage, it's not even
> trying.  I have no idea where to look to diagnose this...

Try the MPD backend.  For me, it works without hassle.


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Re: Problem installing apache webserver on my FreeRunner

[Stefan Monnier]

>  I just got my new FR fone as a part of my university research program
>  and tried installing apache2 but it does not install.It returns error
>  status 2.

> Can you guys suggest how i can go ahead. I am using OM 2008.12. I tried
> opkg install apache2

FWIW, maybe you'd be better served by installing Debian since you then
have a larger collection of standard packages.


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Re: Harry's openmoko suvey, Please help !!!

[Harry Tsai]

Yes, sometimes the server showed error message, I guess maybe too busy!!
Don't give up, try it again please ;)

Harry



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> I hope the best for you on your master :) good luck Harry
>
> 2009/3/1 Michael Fisher :
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> > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Harry Tsai  wrote:
> >>
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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer?

[李达]

>Convert your music to -q4 ogg, mono, and use Tremor.

I think I didn't get it. Would you please expain a little bit more detail.
Cause I'm new to this, if there is any link avaliable. A link or steps will be 
mostly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer?

[The Digital Pioneer]

Convert your music to -q4 ogg, mono, and use Tremor.
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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer?

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On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 16:27 -0600, The Digital Pioneer wrote:
> Hey, I'm trying to use Pythm, but the gstreamer backend seems broken.
> It doesn't play any sound, and judging by CPU usage, it's not even
> trying. I have no idea where to look to diagnose this...
> 
> Meanwhile, the mplayer backend works just fine so long as I make sure
> to set the audio codec to vorbis. Plays at 15-18% CPU, with mono -q4
> oggs.

I'm in trouble with Mplayer. It sounds that ur fellows are using
different software. Can u please point me to the right direction?

Cuase mplay occupies most of CPU about 75%, and plays discontinously.

Any suggestions?
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Re: Harry's openmoko suvey, Please help !!!

[David Reyes Samblas Martinez]

I hope the best for you on your master :) good luck Harry

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> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Harry Tsai  wrote:
>>
>> Dear Community,
>> Sorry, I really need your help to fill the survey, I will very appreciate
>> your kindly help !!!
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry
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>> Thanks and BR
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[SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer?

[The Digital Pioneer]

Hey, I'm trying to use Pythm, but the gstreamer backend seems broken. It
doesn't play any sound, and judging by CPU usage, it's not even trying. I
have no idea where to look to diagnose this...

Meanwhile, the mplayer backend works just fine so long as I make sure to set
the audio codec to vorbis. Plays at 15-18% CPU, with mono -q4 oggs.

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Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

[mqy]

From [
http://www.u-blox.cn/customersupport/gps.g5/ublox5_Fw5.00_Release_Notes(GPS.G5-SW-08019).pdf
]:

"
UBX-AID-EPH and UBX-AID-ALM Messages for Satellite without valid Orbits
When polling UBX-AID-EPH or UBX-AID-ALM messages, satellites without valid
ephemeris or almanac data will 
return a complete UBX-AID-EPH or UBX-AID-ALM message with all data words set
to zero. This doesn’t comply 
with the protocol specification. Furthermore, u-blox 5 receivers with
firmware V5.00 and earlier can run into a 
floating-point exception when fed with such “empty” ephemeris. 
"

Is that the cause :D


Daniel Willmann wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes and that's what ogpsd does already. It has been saving/restoring
> almanac for months, ephemeris was disabled up until recently because
> there was a bug that prevented the GPS chip from doing anything useful
> after they were restored to the chip.
> 
> ... ...
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Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

[Daniel Willmann]

On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:39:25 +0100
Raphaël Jacquot  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 08:31:16PM +0100, Daniel Willmann wrote:
> > Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the
> > framework we should try to get an open server with aiding data
> > available ASAP.
> 
> is there a way to get the ephemeris data from the gps receiver at
> some point ? it could be stored on the phone and used as a
> calculation aide...

Yes and that's what ogpsd does already. It has been saving/restoring
almanac for months, ephemeris was disabled up until recently because
there was a bug that prevented the GPS chip from doing anything useful
after they were restored to the chip.

The chip will use all available data to calculate the fix. With
restoring ephemeris this means a time to first fix of about 16 seconds
at the moment. Not sure how much faster we can get.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Klaus Kurzmann]

* Petr Vanek  [090301 21:59]:
> >No, we don't have solved, as that would be fix only for systems on
> >microsd cards and only with Qi. AFAIK Qi already sets low loglevel as
> >default (as u-boot in NOR), so fix is needed by people, who use u-boot
> >(in NAND of course). And that fix isn't suitable for u-boot systems.

> correct... hmm we could perhaps provide boot_env image with correct
> parameters... but then they would have to flash it... anyhow... 

> the bottom line is, though that once people flash shr on a standard
> freerunner, the suspend/resume will be slow.
well... I can't see how this is SHR related... resume will be slow on
anything they flash, no?

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Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

[Raphaël Jacquot]

On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 12:57:30PM -0800, mqy wrote:
> 
> U-blox receiver allows polling AID-EPH, AID-ALM data.
> For each type, we can poll 32 messages for 32 satellites. 
> The precondition is: current fix is valid -- at least 3 SVs has valid EPH(or
> ALM?) data.
> 
> These data get invalid 2~4 hours later, 
> can be stored into files, and load into GPS receiver when needed and they
> are valid.

they can probably still be used to get a rough estimate

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Johny Tenfinger]

I think FR users should be able to change loglevel manually ;)

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Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

[mqy]

U-blox receiver allows polling AID-EPH, AID-ALM data.
For each type, we can poll 32 messages for 32 satellites. 
The precondition is: current fix is valid -- at least 3 SVs has valid EPH(or
ALM?) data.

These data get invalid 2~4 hours later, 
can be stored into files, and load into GPS receiver when needed and they
are valid.

I've tried this, not sure whether it works or not, need more tests:)
AGPS-online works fine.


Raphaël Jacquot wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 08:31:16PM +0100, Daniel Willmann wrote:
>> Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the framework
>> we should try to get an open server with aiding data available ASAP.
> 
> is there a way to get the ephemeris data from the gps receiver at some
> point ?
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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Petr Vanek]

>No, we don't have solved, as that would be fix only for systems on
>microsd cards and only with Qi. AFAIK Qi already sets low loglevel as
>default (as u-boot in NOR), so fix is needed by people, who use u-boot
>(in NAND of course). And that fix isn't suitable for u-boot systems.

correct... hmm we could perhaps provide boot_env image with correct
parameters... but then they would have to flash it... anyhow... 

the bottom line is, though that once people flash shr on a standard
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Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

[Raphaël Jacquot]

On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 08:31:16PM +0100, Daniel Willmann wrote:
> Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the framework
> we should try to get an open server with aiding data available ASAP.

is there a way to get the ephemeris data from the gps receiver at some point ?
it could be stored on the phone and used as a calculation aide...

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 21:19, Petr Vanek  wrote:
> shr already supports  /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin, why not just
> include /boot/append-GTA02 with loglevel=1 inside and from _not_ours_
> we have _solved_

No, we don't have solved, as that would be fix only for systems on
microsd cards and only with Qi. AFAIK Qi already sets low loglevel as
default (as u-boot in NOR), so fix is needed by people, who use u-boot
(in NAND of course). And that fix isn't suitable for u-boot systems.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Petr Vanek]

On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:11:29 +0100
Johny Tenfinger  (JT) wrote:

>On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 17:07, Pander 
>wrote:
>> Will this be fixed in the boot loader? (ticket)
>
>Bootloader is not part of SHR.

shr already supports  /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin, why not just
include /boot/append-GTA02 with loglevel=1 inside and from _not_ours_
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Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

[Daniel Willmann]

Hello,

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:07:54 +0100
Rikard Nilsson  wrote:

> would it be possible to get the satelite information that we get from
> u-blox from somewhere else?
> somewhere that dont require user account?

there are three possibilities that I see here:

1) mirror the data from u-blox somewhere
2) See whether we can use the information
from http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/orbits/ to provide our own aiding data
3) Set up a stationary GPS receiver and use aiding data from there

1: Someone said that u-blox explicitly allows redistribution of their
AGPS online data. This would be great since we already have all the
data in UBX format.

2: Calculating almanac/ephemeris data from the files present in
ftp://igs.ensg.ign.fr/pub/igs/products/ should be possible, but is far
less straight forward than variant 1.
Additionally to studying ICD-GPS-200
(http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/PUBS/gps/icd200/icd200cw1234.pdf) one would
need to parse the sp3c format:
ftp://igscb.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/data/format/sp3c.txt

3: This would be a pretty simple and good way of setting up our own
aiding server if 1 doesn't work out. The problem with this approach is
that we only get ephemeris for SVs in our view so if I set up one
station in Germany it wont help at all in the US. This could be worked
around by having many such stations all over the world.

Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the framework
we should try to get an open server with aiding data available ASAP.

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Selling Freerunner in Rome, Italy

[boilers...@gmail.com]

Hi All,

as per subject,
with the original box,
perfect conditions,
all the original accessories included.

Price is 230 euros.

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Re: [Freerunner] Access GPS chip's parameters and navigational models?

[Daniel Willmann]

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:18:26 +0100
Olivier Migeot  wrote:

> I'm currently experimenting things with the Antaris chip, and I'm
> starting to like it - at least through FSO and it's gpsd compatibility
> layer. I've been browsing through the UBX protocol specification, and
> I stumbled upon one interesting parameter : the dynamic platform model
> of the navigational unit.
> 
> Simply put : using this, we should be able to explain our chip that we
> are either by car or by foot, and get more serious tracklogs
> (providing this is doable, 'cause the doc states "(SW Versions 3.04
> and higher)", so I'm not sure whether or not we qualify).

Changing the dynamics model is working with our chip. Adding a
configuration interface for ogpsd to change these and similar settings
has been on my list for some time. Since I'm done with with this
semester's exams and SMS seems to be almost done I'll be
thinking/working on this during March.

> Hoping that we do (well, ignoring that maybe we don't, actually), I
> tried to feed the setting to the chip. The CFG-NAV2 UBX message that
> does that is 40 bytes long, and contains lt of more or less
> related information, which I certainly don't know how to feed. So I
> tried to first _get_ the setting, and re-set it verbatim (give or take
> the said parameter). But though there is a tool to generate UBX
> messages (ubxgen.py, on
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS ), I can't find a
> (successful) way to get the result from the chip. From my view, I
> should cat the commands to ttySAC1 and then read it. But I get nothing
> exciting that way...

You should get either a ubx packet of type ACK-ACK or ACK-NACK
depending on whether the chip accepted your CFG-NAV packet.

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Re: Zhone SMS

[Daniel Willmann]

On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:54:49 +0330
Armin ranjbar  wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:07:48 +0100
> Daniel Willmann  wrote:
> 
> > Do you still have the message that caused the problem? It would be
> > good to fix ogsmd if there's a specific PDU that causes a problem.
> 
> no but that happens typically over unicode message, how can i 'dump'
> sms message while zhone is unable to receive ?

Okay, unicode messages that make problems are very much welcome. If you
could try with a recent version of ogsmd that would be even better.

If you know which index that PDU has you can dump that PDU through
mickeyterm:

r...@om-gta02:/usr/sbin# mickeyterm
read history from /home/root/.mickeyterm_history
<--- Mickey's Term V2.9.1 @ /dev/pts/0 --->
AT-Command Interpreter ready
AT+CMEE=2;+CRC=1
OK
at+cmgr=25
at+cmgr=25
+CMGR: 3,,34
07919471071601B60C9194711032547618F4F29C0E6A97E7F3F0B90CBAA7E968901EFD769741

OK

If you don't know which message causes the problems you can also dump
them all:

at+cmgl=4
+CMGL: 1,1,,125
[...]
+CMGL: 2,1,,138
[...]
+CMGL: 3,1,,155
[...]

and so on..

Regards,
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Re: GUI for SHR fast charge mode: possible?

[Rask Ingemann Lambertsen]

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 01:20:05PM -0500, Joel Newkirk wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:37:36 +0100
> Francesco de Virgilio  wrote:
> 
> > IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
> > '/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type'
> 
> /sys/class/power_supply/adapter/type
> (I think...)

   There's no direct equivalent to charger_type.

$ head /sys/class/power_supply/*/type
==> /sys/class/power_supply/ac/type <==
Mains

==> /sys/class/power_supply/adapter/type <==
Mains

==> /sys/class/power_supply/battery/type <==
Battery

==> /sys/class/power_supply/usb/type <==
USB

$ head /sys/class/power_supply/*/online
==> /sys/class/power_supply/ac/online <==
1

==> /sys/class/power_supply/adapter/online <==
0

==> /sys/class/power_supply/battery/online <==
1

==> /sys/class/power_supply/usb/online <==
0

   Note that unless you solder in such a thing yourself, the GTA01 and GTA02
don't have an adapter input. Also, in latest andy-tracking the USB vs. ac
detection is broken (as is the case in the example above).

> > For me the fast-charging mode is really important to use the Neo in my
> > car, which adaptor for default provides only 100 mhA. Is there a way
> > to set quickly fast-charge mode on SHR unstable?
> 
> /sys/class/power_supply/ac/device/force_usb_limit_dangerous

   That will be /sys/class/power_supply/ac/device/usb_curlim in 2.6.29.

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Re: Zhone SMS

[Armin ranjbar]

On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:07:48 +0100
Daniel Willmann  wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:34:02 +0330
> Armin ranjbar  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:53:41 +0100
> > Måns Malmberg  wrote:
> > 
> > > and with with FSO Zhone showed the SMS icon as disabled. On an old
> > > Ericsson phone I could see that I received a garbled SMS (probably
> > > an MMS) and by removing that everything started to work again.
> > 
> > that did fixed it, i guess bunch of AT commands will do the same, i
> > have used some siemes phone which is one step more advanced than
> > normal calculators :)) 
> 
> Do you still have the message that caused the problem? It would be good
> to fix ogsmd if there's a specific PDU that causes a problem.
> 
> Regards,
> Daniel Willmann
> 

no but that happens typically over unicode message, how can i 'dump' sms
message while zhone is unable to receive ?

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Re: Zhone SMS

[Daniel Willmann]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:34:02 +0330
Armin ranjbar  wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:53:41 +0100
> Måns Malmberg  wrote:
> 
> > and with with FSO Zhone showed the SMS icon as disabled. On an old
> > Ericsson phone I could see that I received a garbled SMS (probably
> > an MMS) and by removing that everything started to work again.
> 
> that did fixed it, i guess bunch of AT commands will do the same, i
> have used some siemes phone which is one step more advanced than
> normal calculators :)) 

Do you still have the message that caused the problem? It would be good
to fix ogsmd if there's a specific PDU that causes a problem.

Regards,
Daniel Willmann


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Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Joel Newkirk wrote:
> BTW - the speed with which those icons scroll is how fast the main
> Illume icons /should/ be able to be dragged, but with the Illume theme
> as it currently stands (with FSO M5 and SHR at least) each 'desktop'
> icon is adorned with multiple transparent PNG files layered to create
> pretty buttons, and scrolling becomes dramatically slower than what you
> are probably familiar with from the base ASU theme with 2008.x.  
> 
> I (and surely others) am working on a leaner, faster theme - any
> eye-candy that distinctly impacts the user experience should NOT be
> default, and in this case we desperately need a simple and fast theme
> as the default or the immediate impression users will get is: "Damn,
> this is slow!"

Well, I think that the configuration panel icons can be dragged really
quickly. I'm using e17-svn with the default theme and the
software-x11-16 engine and the finger scrolling there is very fast and
generally smooth.

The main issue stays in the desktop, where the icon-dragging is really
very slow. This must be really fixed.

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Re: [SHR-unstable] wrong timezone setting

[Angus Ainslie]

On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 15:42 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
> Yes, there is a description on frameworkd.conf on the wiki.  Really,
> should be a commented example in the frameword.conf file itself - would
> be a lot easier for users.
> 
> BillK
> 

I was talking about the example file in git on freesmartphone.org .

Setting zonesources = NONE and having properly configured /etc/localtime
and /etc/timezone does the trick for me.

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Re: Harry's openmoko suvey, Please help !!!

[Michael Fisher]

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Harry Tsai  wrote:

> Dear Community,
> Sorry, I really need your help to fill the survey, I will very appreciate
> your kindly help !!!
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry
>
> Thanks and BR
>
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I'm getting a network timeout or bad url when attempting to click on survey
link. Maybe too busy??

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Where is urlparse ?

[Steve " 'dillo" Okay]

I'm working on porting a python app that uses simplejson and having  
some module problems.
I have Python 2.6 installed on my Linux server and OS X laptop and  
with both of them the urlparse module
comes with the base Python install.  It appears to be missing in the  
opkg python 2.6 package though.
Did this get separated out into it's own opkg or stripped out entirely ?
It seems kind of odd that it would just be completely removed. It's a  
pretty important module to have around if you
don't want to have to write your own URI/URL decoding library.

Any help you can give would be appreciated.
Thanks,
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Re: Neon 0.9.8 is out

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Valery Febvre wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> A new release of Neon is available.

Nice... I was thinking... What about supporting a kind of plugins to be
as photos backends?
I mean, the default plugin is the one that allow to browse in your disk
as it actually does (but maybe adding also some optional image
thumbnails), then people could wrote plugins for different photo inputs
(like flickr, picasa, zooomr but also for comic sites and so on!).

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Re: Finger friendly browse keyboard

William Kenworthy schrieb:
> No, I mean remove both the other two keyboards so only terminal is left.
> Then the word space and switcher are redundant and they both can be
> removed saving space.  My fingers are too fat to use either of those
> two, the dictionary is hopeless and they take forever to type a message
> as you are always trying to fix the mistakes they make, stroking the
> keyboard rarely works properly so you are continually trying to
> select/delete or whatever and failing. As the default always pops up
> first until you select terminal, its better to remove them altogether
> (and they always pop up first when writing an sms for example) 
Just change the kbd type of the terminal kbd from TERMINAL to ALPHA an 
the terminal kbd is your default one

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Re: [Debian] e17 screen lock

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

John Sullivan ha scritto:
> So, I build e17 from svn and use it with illume on Debian.
> 
> By default, the e screen locking function goes to a password lock, which
> obviously isn't good for the FR. I know that on SHR using illume this
> instead goes to a simpler lock mechanism that can be unlocked just by
> pushing a button or whatever. 
> 
> Can anyone suggest how I can get behavior like this instead of the
> password lock? 

Go in enlightenment configuration -> Input -> Key bindings ->
Keycode-177 define it as Simple Desktop Lock.

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Re: Harry's openmoko suvey, Please help !!!

[Harry Tsai]

2009/3/2 B 

> Yorick Moko wrote:
> >>
> > this is why i'm mailing;
> > what does BR stand for? :)
> >
>
>
> Along those same lines, what is RD/HW and RD/SW in the survey?  I'm
> guessing research and development/hardware and research and
> development/software.

Yes, you are right!! maybe I should modify it to more clearly.thanks !!

>
>
> Ben
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Re: Harry's openmoko suvey, Please help !!!

[B]

Yorick Moko wrote:
>>
> this is why i'm mailing;
> what does BR stand for? :)
> 


Along those same lines, what is RD/HW and RD/SW in the survey?  I'm 
guessing research and development/hardware and research and 
development/software.

Ben


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Re: Harry's openmoko suvey, Please help !!!

[Harry Tsai]

Thank you very much!!!

BR= best regard :D


Harry

2009/3/2 Yorick Moko 

> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Harry Tsai  wrote:
> > Dear Community,
> > Sorry, I really need your help to fill the survey, I will very appreciate
> > your kindly help !!!
>
> already done and i would encourage others to do so as well
>
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry
> >
> > Thanks and BR
> >
> this is why i'm mailing;
> what does BR stand for? :)
>
> > Harry
> y
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Re: Neon 0.9.8 is out

[OpenMitko]

Thanks Valery!

Neon is one of my favorite apps :)

2009/2/28 Risto H. Kurppa 

> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Valery Febvre 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > A new release of Neon is available.
> >
> > Changes since 0.9.6 :
>
> Great, thanks for the update (& fixing the opkg.org package problem,
> it now installs without problems :)
>
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Re: Harry's openmoko suvey, Please help !!!

[Yorick Moko]

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Harry Tsai  wrote:
> Dear Community,
> Sorry, I really need your help to fill the survey, I will very appreciate
> your kindly help !!!

already done and i would encourage others to do so as well

> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry
>
> Thanks and BR
>
this is why i'm mailing;
what does BR stand for? :)

> Harry
y

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Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.2)

[Sebastian Hammerl]

Hi,

I am interested. I will contact you directly.

Sebastian

Onen schrieb:
> Hallo Sebastian,
>
> as stated before, I think we should join our forces, to build only one 
> GSM logger. I have the feeling we implement same things each on his side...
>
> Are you interested?
>
> Onen
>
> Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
>   
>> Just released 0.4.2
>>
>> Changelog: now saving the type of the cell (serving or neighbour)
>>
>> this information is for some purpose very interesting.
>>
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Harry's openmoko suvey, Please help !!!

[Harry Tsai]

Dear Community,
Sorry, I really need your help to fill the survey, I will very appreciate
your kindly help !!!

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry

Thanks and BR


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Re: Problem installing apache webserver on my FreeRunner

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Aapo Rantalainen  writes:
> I eliminate warnings and memory leaks. (can be compiled -Wall -Wextra cleanly)
> I use valgrind to find memory leaks, and it founds something with
> threading. I read manuals and found this solution, but valgrind is not
> satisfated.

Also things like

safe_malloc(1000*sizeof(char));

all around the code sound very suspious and potentially eat a lot of
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Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.2)

[Onen]

Hallo Sebastian,

as stated before, I think we should join our forces, to build only one 
GSM logger. I have the feeling we implement same things each on his side...

Are you interested?

Onen

Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
> Just released 0.4.2
> 
> Changelog: now saving the type of the cell (serving or neighbour)
> 
> this information is for some purpose very interesting.
> 
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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 17:07, Pander  wrote:
> Will this be fixed in the boot loader? (ticket)

Bootloader is not part of SHR.

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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Onen]

Hi,

Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>> It is Python based, so the files in the package are the source file.
> 
> Yep, I'm aware of that.
> 
>> You will find in the package everything needed:
>> source code, desktop file, images, glade file, authors, licenses, etc...
> 
> Yep, this is also known. It's not the first software I bring into OE which 
> then
> builds such ipk's :)
> 

Don't get me wrong. I know you have much deeper knowledge than I have in 
Python, ipk, and OE. I must admit that as I was writing the answer, I 
was thinking: that cannot be what he wants from me, I must be missing 
his point. I meant no offence.

> Let me explain my point a bit more. You are writing the software and 
> releasing a
> new version when you think new features are implemented or bugs are fixed. In
> the FOSS world is is normally done as atarball that includes all the source
> files ready to build. Now python has nothing that needs compiling but it still
> needs to get packaged in a way that makes it easy for user to install it. You
> have done this yourself when preparing your ipk.
> 

Ok. I thought the ipk would be sufficient. Now I understand what you 
were expecting.

> But this package may need adjustment from time to time when other parts of the
> system change so it is always good to build it together with the rest of an
> image and have it in the so called feeds where the user can easily install it
> over the package management.
> 
> That's what I like to do for you. You have more or less the same setup as the
> cellhunter game: Python scripts, desktop file, icon, etc.
> 

Sure I know how much better it is to have the software in the feeds. And 
I thank you for helping me with this!

> I just packaged this and Sebastian provides an tarball with all the files flat
> in the dir with package name and version and OE takes care of the rest.
> 
>> If you need a tarball, I will try to put something together out of my 
>> freerunner
>> tomorrow.
> 
> Hmm, you have no kind of version control? Let me say you that this is a bad
> habbit. Learned my lesson. :/

I did not have a public one. I wanted to have something sufficient, 
clean and stable enough, before going public. But I was away from my 
computer for some days, and only had access to my freerunner or the ipk 
on the website.

> 
> Back to the point. Yes, I would need a tarball, or a public available SCM. 
> For a
> tarball please use something like this as name:
> 

For what I have understood, you would prefer a SCM. And now that first 
release is out, the first point on my TODO list was exactly that. You 
will find a git tree at:
http://myposition.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=myposition;a=tree

I have two question about this:
* is it good enough as it is for you?
* is there anything I could do to ease your work of pushing to OE 
(structure, names, ...)?

When this will be "validated" by you, I will tag it 0.1.0.

In case of, I also updated the download area of SF, with the tar.gz file:
https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=218065&package_id=310952

> $applicationname-0.3.0.tar.gz
> 
> Which then should contain a directory with the same name but without file
> ending:
> $applicationname-0.3.0
> 
> Inside this dir just put your files and I take care that they are installed
> properly within the ipk.
> 
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt
> 

Thanks again for helping!

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Re: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Sunday, March 01, 2009 a las 04:32:56PM +0100, arne anka escribió:

...
> with all these deps it might be sensible to build the package on its own  
> -- things like scrollkeeper or docbook seem pretty nonsensical to the core  
> functionality.
>  from the screenshots i've seen, i am not sure inhowfar stardict's gui  
> matches the constraints of the fr, though, sdcv might be a better choice.

Thx for your hint; I've installed sdcv_0.4.2-9_armel.deb (which needed
libreadline.so.5 in addition) but this is working now with my dics and
would be sufficient for me; one problem remains: it produces UTF-8
output; is there a xterm in FR which does UTF-8?

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Pander]

Johny Tenfinger wrote:
> Slow suspend isn't distro issue - it is your bootloader.

Will this be fixed in the boot loader? (ticket)

Should one already use Qi with current SHR unstable distro?

If you will
> set loglevel=1 in kernel cmdline, suspend/resume would be much faster.

I assume this won't be necessary once the bootloader is fixed regarding
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Re: Problem installing apache webserver on my FreeRunner

[Aapo Rantalainen]

http://cc.oulu.fi/~rantalai/freerunner/aa-http/
Thanks Timo for your thoughts.

Case:
User Adam start server on directory, where Bob has write access. (this
is bad habits anyway)
Someone asks file from server. Server first check file size and then
loads it. Bob can change file between
those steps and it causes buffer overflow. (and if Adam is root, this
is critical)



I eliminate warnings and memory leaks. (can be compiled -Wall -Wextra cleanly)
I use valgrind to find memory leaks, and it founds something with
threading. I read manuals and found this solution, but valgrind is not
satisfated.

//  I try that every thread frees its memory when it is ready:
   pthread_attr_t pattr;
   pthread_attr_init(&pattr);
   pthread_attr_setdetachstate(&pattr, PTHREAD_CREATE_DETACHED);


pthread_create(&handling_thread, &pattr, handle_connection, (void
*)new_conection_socket);


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Re: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko

[arne anka]

> I've found a Debian pkg stardict-gnome_3.0.1-4+b1_armel.deb in
> http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/s/stardict/
.
since stardict is part of debian proper, every mirror should have it, for  
all supported archs including armel (which is the name of the fr's arch).
these are the packages a superficial search hits

debian-gta02:~# apt-cache search stardict
dictconv - convert a dictionary file type in another dictionary file type
qstardict - International dictionary written using Qt4
sdcv - StarDict Console Version
stardict - International dictionary
stardict-common - International dictionary - data files
stardict-gnome - International dictionary for GNOME 2
stardict-gtk - International dictionary written in GTK+ 2.x
stardict-plugin - International dictionary - common plugins
stardict-plugin-espeak - International dictionary - eSpeak TTS plugin
stardict-plugin-festival - International dictionary - Festival TTS plugin
stardict-plugin-gucharmap - International dictionary - gucharmap plugin
stardict-plugin-spell - International dictionary - spell plugin
stardict-tools - The dictionary conversion tools of stardict
stardict-xmlittre - French Littr

trying to install lists this:

# apt-get install stardict-gtk
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
   docbook-xml libscrollkeeper0 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a scrollkeeper sgml-base
   sgml-data stardict-common xml-core
Suggested packages:
   docbook docbook-dsssl docbook-xsl docbook-defguide logrotate  
sgml-base-doc
   perlsgml doc-html-w3 opensp ttf-freefont ttf-thryomanes ttf-arphic-uming
Recommended packages:
   stardict-plugin-espeak stardict-plugin-festival stardict-plugin
The following NEW packages will be installed:
   docbook-xml libscrollkeeper0 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a scrollkeeper sgml-base
   sgml-data stardict-common stardict-gtk xml-core
0 upgraded, 9 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 1464kB of archives.
After this operation, 8636kB of additional disk space will be used.

with all these deps it might be sensible to build the package on its own  
-- things like scrollkeeper or docbook seem pretty nonsensical to the core  
functionality.
 from the screenshots i've seen, i am not sure inhowfar stardict's gui  
matches the constraints of the fr, though, sdcv might be a better choice.

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Vido play discontinuously, any idea?

[Daniel.Li]

Dear List,

I have tried http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player 

Even using "mencoder Britney.Spears-Toxic.640x480.pdahd.avi -ovc lavc
-lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=300 -vf
scale=320:240,eq2=1.2:0.5:-0.25,rotate=2 -oac mp3lame -ofps 15 -lameopts
br=64:cbr -o Britney.Spears.avi" to convert avi movie, etc.

But nothing helps, all avi and mp3 plays discontinuously.

Is there anyone familiar with this part, please help to point me to the
right place. If there is a wiki or blog already, a link will be OK.

Any idea is mostly appreciated. Thanks 
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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 16:07, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen  wrote:
>   Yes, but look at
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#GPS>, where it
> says you need to do so manually.

And that's wrong.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Rask Ingemann Lambertsen]

On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 03:41:25PM +0100, Pander wrote:
> Petr Vanek wrote:
> > On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:09:10 +0100 (CET)
> > Richy  (R) wrote:
> > 
> >> Concering GPS: It is true, that it isn't turned on at boot, but it is
> >> turned on automatically if needed.
> >>
> >> The article sounds like it's a must to turn it on manually if you want
> >> to use it.
> > 
> > i think this causes confusion all the time, but in reality works great:
> > you don't turn anything on or off, daemon runs all the time
> > automatically from init scripts and if client (TangoGPS) connects to it,
> > gps is auto turned on, after TangoGPS disconnects, gps is turned off.
> 
> as is documented here
>   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview

   Yes, but look at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#GPS>, where it
says you need to do so manually.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 16:01, Johny Tenfinger  wrote:
> "Overview Log (In, Out, Answered, All)" - it should be red, instead of
> orange, as it probably won't be implemented in nearly future.

Oh, i'm wrong. I thought that it is all about Illume integration, not
only hint "it should be" :) As "won't be implemented" I mean
integration with Illume of course, as pyphonelog is working well :)

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Johny Tenfinger]

Slow suspend isn't distro issue - it is your bootloader. If you will
set loglevel=1 in kernel cmdline, suspend/resume would be much faster.

"Overview Log (In, Out, Answered, All)" - it should be red, instead of
orange, as it probably won't be implemented in nearly future.

"headphones work, microphone does not work" - can you say more about that?

Looks like actual SHR-unstable is stable enough to be new testing
image, which we want to release in few days ;) After that we will work
on opimd integration and few other "cutting-edge" functionalities (so
it won't be so stable then!) ;)

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Re: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Sunday, March 01, 2009 a las 11:50:04AM +0100, arne anka escribió:

> well, it is available in debian. so, with little effort you should be able  
> to use that for 2008.x (qt4, gtk and console frontend) -- far more  
> interesting, though, is the question what dicts are available.
> debian offers english-czech only.

I've found a Debian pkg stardict-gnome_3.0.1-4+b1_armel.deb in
http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/s/stardict/
but this requires a lot of shared libs from Gnome (...) and each of
these shared libs has to be extracted carefully from other Debian
packages ... a lot of work, with perhaps at the end will give something which is
not working either :-(

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Pander]

Petr Vanek wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:09:10 +0100 (CET)
> Richy  (R) wrote:
> 
>> Concering GPS: It is true, that it isn't turned on at boot, but it is
>> turned on automatically if needed.
>>
>> The article sounds like it's a must to turn it on manually if you want
>> to use it.
> 
> i think this causes confusion all the time, but in reality works great:
> you don't turn anything on or off, daemon runs all the time
> automatically from init scripts and if client (TangoGPS) connects to it,
> gps is auto turned on, after TangoGPS disconnects, gps is turned off.

as is documented here
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview

> 
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> 
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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Petr Vanek]

On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:09:10 +0100 (CET)
Richy  (R) wrote:

>Concering GPS: It is true, that it isn't turned on at boot, but it is
>turned on automatically if needed.
>
>The article sounds like it's a must to turn it on manually if you want
>to use it.

i think this causes confusion all the time, but in reality works great:
you don't turn anything on or off, daemon runs all the time
automatically from init scripts and if client (TangoGPS) connects to it,
gps is auto turned on, after TangoGPS disconnects, gps is turned off.

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Re: Want to keep up with times.

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

See also http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/StandbyLifetime which
are the results of a test I have conducted recently.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Richy]

Concering GPS: It is true, that it isn't turned on at boot, but it is turned on automatically if needed.The article sounds like it's a must to turn it on manually if you want to use it.On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 13:10, Franky Van Liedekerke  wrote:On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:40:10 +0100
Pander  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have started a feature overview for out of the box SHR unstable
> distribution.
>
> This will show the current status of the functionality you get after
> installing SHR and using only the high level GUI to use and manage it.
>
>   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview
>
> This overview is both reflecting the currect status, as is it
> focussing on basic functionality which should be available on Neo
> FreeRunner.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pander
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Hi,

you mention something about changing ringtones on the wiki, but that is
still mostly commandline info. Why not mention shr-settings that can do
this gui-wise (see
http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-settings.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9fba44b7038f00bf2399df6e755779bfc511571)?

And of course a small question: fso is very busy to using the opimd via
paroli, so why doesn't shr start on this as well? I've checked the git
repo, but haven't found anything lately that points to opimd usage ...

Franky

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Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.2)

[Sebastian Hammerl]

Just released 0.4.2

Changelog: now saving the type of the cell (serving or neighbour)

this information is for some purpose very interesting.

Sebastian

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:40:10 +0100
Pander  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have started a feature overview for out of the box SHR unstable
> distribution.
> 
> This will show the current status of the functionality you get after
> installing SHR and using only the high level GUI to use and manage it.
> 
>   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview
> 
> This overview is both reflecting the currect status, as is it
> focussing on basic functionality which should be available on Neo
> FreeRunner.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Hi,

you mention something about changing ringtones on the wiki, but that is
still mostly commandline info. Why not mention shr-settings that can do
this gui-wise (see
http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-settings.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9fba44b7038f00bf2399df6e755779bfc511571)?

And of course a small question: fso is very busy to using the opimd via
paroli, so why doesn't shr start on this as well? I've checked the git
repo, but haven't found anything lately that points to opimd usage ...

Franky

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Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)

[Sebastian Hammerl]

Debian package out now, thanks to petabyte.

Sebastian Hammerl schrieb:
> Soon after releasing i found a bug causes cellhunter to freeze.
>
> Sorry for that, the fixed version 0.4.1 is out now!
>
> check out http://cellhunter.omoco.de
>
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Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Pander]

Hi all,

I have started a feature overview for out of the box SHR unstable
distribution.

This will show the current status of the functionality you get after
installing SHR and using only the high level GUI to use and manage it.

  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview

This overview is both reflecting the currect status, as is it focussing
on basic functionality which should be available on Neo FreeRunner.

Regards,

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Re: Want to keep up with times.

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

"Ilya O."  writes:
> 1) How long FreeRunner currently works as everyday phone? (Please,
> tell me that it can survive for a day).

Energy consumption during suspend is not very likely to go down unless
we can fix the deep sleep bug of the GSM chip. It's around 33-35
mA. Which means that we have about 1200 mAh / 33 mA = 36 h of suspend time.

> 3) Was echo during calls minimized? (at least to the level where
> caller wouldn't interrupt himself with echo of his).

Yes, echo is gone. Search the wiki or email archives for AT%N0187

> 4) Is there project that would like me to participate in or bug that I
> would be able to fix? (I have experience writing in
> Python/C/C++/Erlang/...etc.. including some linux kernel programming).

http://bugs.openmoko.org/ lists open bugs, help in kernel side is very
much appreciated!

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Re: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Sunday, March 01, 2009 a las 11:50:04AM +0100, arne anka escribió:

> well, it is available in debian. so, with little effort you should be able  
> to use that for 2008.x (qt4, gtk and console frontend) -- far more  
> interesting, though, is the question what dicts are available.
> debian offers english-czech only.

Could you please point me to a Debian ARM pkg server? Thx;
Concerning to the dicts, they can be just downloaded from
http://stardict.sourceforge.net/Dictionaries.php
these are only tar-balls to unpack to the right place;

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Re: Want to keep up with times.

[Mirko Lindner]

Hej Ilya,

Ilya O. wrote:
> 
> 1) How long FreeRunner currently works as everyday phone? (Please,
> tell me that it can survive for a day).

It can indeed survive longer than a day. Mickey did some tests and 
published the results here on the list.

> 2) What distribution is currently developed by Openmoko? Is it FSO?

We are working on FSO indeed. The current om distro you can find here[1].
Note: it is called unstable for a reason ;) It does come with paroli 
covering all of the screen as we are focusing on getting day-to-day 
phone capabilities in first before engaging in other areas.

> 4) Is there project that would like me to participate in or bug that I
> would be able to fix? (I have experience writing in
> Python/C/C++/Erlang/...etc.. including some linux kernel programming).

Paroli is a good place to get active in right now. It is a python/efl 
based project split in several applets running in a single python instance.

We are currently working towards our third milestone[2] the second one 
is currently in graphics review ;)

See our project page[3] for more details.

If this looks like fun, get in touch with me and I can answer any 
questions and make the start a bit easier. I am sure we can find 
something that is fun (to me the whole project is ;) )

/mirko

[1] http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/
pick fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and
uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin

[2] http://paroli-project.org/trac/roadmap

[3] http://www.paroli-project.org/


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Re: [QtExtended] Report on 4.4.3 src on FSO

[leona...@lilik.it]

Tomas Riveros Schober wrote:

>> Could u please direct me to the right place? Thanks.
>>   
> http://qtextended.org/downloads/snapshots/

what are the changes in these snapshots? I'm still using QTE from 2008
with some bugs such as duplicate messages, duplicate calls and so on...

is it worth upgrading?

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Re: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko

[arne anka]

well, it is available in debian. so, with little effort you should be able  
to use that for 2008.x (qt4, gtk and console frontend) -- far more  
interesting, though, is the question what dicts are available.
debian offers english-czech only.

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Want to keep up with times.

[Ilya O.]

Hello.

I haven't been reading openmoko mailing lists for a while for now
(about three-four months), and would like to update my knowledge of
current things to be.

1) How long FreeRunner currently works as everyday phone? (Please,
tell me that it can survive for a day).
2) What distribution is currently developed by Openmoko? Is it FSO?
3) Was echo during calls minimized? (at least to the level where
caller wouldn't interrupt himself with echo of his).
4) Is there project that would like me to participate in or bug that I
would be able to fix? (I have experience writing in
Python/C/C++/Erlang/...etc.. including some linux kernel programming).
Do want to do something fun!

Thank you.

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Re: Finger friendly browse keyboard

[Pander]

William Kenworthy wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 09:03 +0100, Pander wrote:
> ...
>> Have you tried the alternative keyboards (alpha and num) from opkg.org?
>>
>>> BillK
>>>
> 
> 
> No, just did a search for "keyboard" and they didnt show up.  What was
> new was optimsms which has possibilities.
> 
> Were they a alpha/number dutch kb? - saw those some time back and didnt
> try them because they were two separate boards (and not in english)
> which is painful to use as you are switching back and forward all the
> the time (which is a real pita with the FR as it usually takes multiple
> swipes to switch)
> 
> As a user, I would like a single full qwerty keyboard for almost all
> uses, and a very large key qwerty/number only for SMS (landscape so
> there is room, and just enough of a text bar to display 160 characters),
> and like most commercial phones, a simple menu choice to disable T9,
> dict lookups and other funnies for those like me who hate them.
> 
> BillK
> 

Try these:
http://www.opkg.org/package_101.html
http://www.opkg.org/package_106.html

The Dutch is one made by me, optimised for entering terminal commands
and writing Dutch (proza).

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Re: Finger friendly browse keyboard

[William Kenworthy]

On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 09:03 +0100, Pander wrote:
...
> Have you tried the alternative keyboards (alpha and num) from opkg.org?
> 
> > BillK
> > 


No, just did a search for "keyboard" and they didnt show up.  What was
new was optimsms which has possibilities.

Were they a alpha/number dutch kb? - saw those some time back and didnt
try them because they were two separate boards (and not in english)
which is painful to use as you are switching back and forward all the
the time (which is a real pita with the FR as it usually takes multiple
swipes to switch)

As a user, I would like a single full qwerty keyboard for almost all
uses, and a very large key qwerty/number only for SMS (landscape so
there is room, and just enough of a text bar to display 160 characters),
and like most commercial phones, a simple menu choice to disable T9,
dict lookups and other funnies for those like me who hate them.

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Re: Finger friendly browse keyboard

[Pander]

William Kenworthy wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 18:49 +0100, "Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster"
> wrote:
>> William Kenworthy schrieb:
>>> I would rather the space - the other two keyboards are pretty
>>> useless ...
>>>
>>> BillK
>>>
>>> On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 12:54 +0100, Pander wrote:
>>>   
 John Sullivan wrote:
 
> Pander  writes:
>
>   
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Someone mentioned a finger friendly browse keoyboard, and I just could
>> not resist making one myself. the result is here:
>>   http://www.opkg.org/package_144.html
> ...
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>> you CAN use the space and don't need the kbd switcher since you can 
>> scroll upwards to switch the kbd.
>> just edt the virtual kbd reloution (the relation between width an 
>> height) and you can add another row of keys.
>> one thing you have to keep in mind: the name of the kbd MUST NOT make it 
>> appear firts in the list of kbds (e.g. rename the Default.kbd (or any 
>> other kbd that has teh correct height/widht relation) to Alpha.kbd so 
>> that it is firts in the list). if this is the case the illume kbd will 
>> not be resized and the additional row of keys will be available without 
>> occupying more of your precieous space. (i think this works because of 
>> the same bug, that prevents the illume kbd from resizing of used in 
>> landscape mode.
>>
>> all credits go to Michal Brzozowski (god i hope i spelled it correctly)
>>
> 
> No, I mean remove both the other two keyboards so only terminal is left.
> Then the word space and switcher are redundant and they both can be
> removed saving space.  My fingers are too fat to use either of those
> two, the dictionary is hopeless and they take forever to type a message
> as you are always trying to fix the mistakes they make, stroking the
> keyboard rarely works properly so you are continually trying to
> select/delete or whatever and failing. As the default always pops up
> first until you select terminal, its better to remove them altogether
> (and they always pop up first when writing an sms for example) 
> 
> Others say it works, and I suppose it does for them, but to me its one
> of the worst parts of the freerunner interface and the first bit I
> disable by uninstalling numbers and default (or in the case of
> shr-unstable, just coping terminal over the top of each).  Terminal has
> its own problems/annoyances (the animation encourages miss-clicks and
> takes up valuable cpu cycles - tried to find out how its done so it
> could be minimised to just a quick blink to tell the key has registered
> a press, but didnt find it - one day ... :)
> 
> These tiny key keyboards can only be used by normal people using a
> stylus - what we really need for SMS is a large keyboard taking up much
> of the screen and only a tiny window for text (160 chars) - in fact
> thats what most other keyboardless phones seem to do, for good reasons.

Have you tried the alternative keyboards (alpha and num) from opkg.org?

> BillK
> 
> 
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