Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Dale Maggee]

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I'd suggest you filter out this conversation if you're not interested.

This discussion *is* actually leading somewhere, though: Lorn is
digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself.

wim.delv...@adaptiveplanet.com wrote:
> Dale, lorn ... please, go take a cold shower and a few deep breaths to cool 
> down.
> 
> This discussion isn't leading anywhere ...
> 
> W

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Dale Maggee]

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Lorn Potter wrote:
> [snip utter nonsense]
> 
> and you have just demonstrated your maturity level. Go home, your 
> parents want to wash your mouth out with soap.

Haha, says he who repeatedly and persistently refuses to discuss the
issues! Wow, now you can *really* add "hypocrite" to the ever expanding
list on your resume! I mean, sending me a link to nettiquette rules that
you broke first was pretty damn hypocritical, but two entirely
hypocritical emails in one day!

So now the list that goes something along the lines of:

* Highly skilled at evasive responses with no real content
* Able to blatantly lie with a straight face
* Actions are Not influenced by morality or human decency
* Stupid enough to contradict self in public
* Complete Hypocrite.

No, really, I'm gonna write up a couple of letters of recommendation for
you: I'm gonna email the head of Microsoft's HR on your behalf, and I'll
also email the Liberal Party - I hear they're looking for a new leader,
and you're certainly slippery, evasive, and deceitful enough. I'll post
them here for all to see. Hopefully you'll get your dream job as 'chief
bullshit artist' at MS. Although I think you're probably over-qualified.

"I see your lips moving, but all I can hear is 'bullshit bullshit
bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit'..."

For the record, I'm not going anywhere, and long after I've got my
blackberry and kicked your godawful software to the curb where it
belongs, I'll still be replying to your every post on this list with
"Lorn is a bullshit artist, be wary of believing anything he says.
Here's a link to him contradicting himself."

"Utter nonsense", again, including questions which you persist in
ignoring, and discussion of the issues with your shit software which you
 categorically refuse to discuss or even acknowledge exist.

Given that you insist on ignoring the issues at hand:

Wow, I have to give you credit - you certainly are good at completely
ignoring damning evidence and not answering questions directly put to
you multiple times. Ever considered a career in politics? You'd fit in
really well there!

How Long does it take to type your address on your freerunner, using the
methods described...errr...five(?) emails ago? and now, how long does
it take on your PC?

How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running
QTe? and why did you do that "Many Times", as you claim? seems like
wasted effort to me...

>> > > [snip useless drivel]

This "useless drivel" Lorn refers to is me demonstrating that Lorn is
either lying or a complete retard. The fact that he refuses to even
acknowledge this and attempted to trim it from all further
correspondence indicates to me that it's malice, not stupidity.

I'll restore this in the vain hope that perhaps he might address it,
rather than ignore it as he has consistently done all afternoon:

 >> > > No one said to use the little qwerty keyboard with fingers.

I BEG YOUR PARDON?!?!?

Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm:
 >> > >Then you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard.

Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm:
 >> > > You can even use this with big fingers and hit in between
letters
 >> > > and it will still work (suggestively) well.

Now, we were discussing the predictive keyboard, and you told me that I
"could easily switch to the qwerty keyboard"... which qwerty keyboard
were you referring to, exactly, if not the little qwerty keyboard? There
are only two: the predictive keyboard and the qwerty keyboard. Unless
you're trying to tell me that there's a difference between 'keyboard'
and 'docked keyboard'.

I call "bullshit".

Lorn, you're either completely full of shit, or you have no idea what
the fuck you're talking about. Due to the old adage "never attribute to
malice that which can be explained by stupidity", I'll give you an
opportunity to publicly apologise and explain exactly what the hell
you're on about...

 >> >> the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING.
>> > >
>> > > It does.

No, it doesn't. You're either a liar or a fucking retard. I lean towards
"Liar".

If you're a liar, you're *also* a fucking retard - when lying, the
non-retard would come up with a *credible* lie, which you're not even
bothering with... Or is it that you're just not clever enough?

>> > > You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you
>> > > cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact with
>> > > this code.

I didn't say "Bad", I said "shit", which is worse than bad.

and, Yeah, I can: Watch me: "You've done a shit job."

Regardless of any contact you may or may not have had with the code, or
your contributions or lack thereof to qtopia, you have done a shit job.

Firstly, where's the QTe release that was coming in December? why such
inadequate communication? You've done a shit Job.

Secondly, you've done an absolutely abysmal job today. Refusing to
acknowledge or add

Re: [QtExtended] some things

[wim . delvaux]

Dale, lorn ... please, go take a cold shower and a few deep breaths to cool 
down.

This discussion isn't leading anywhere ...

W

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> > Lorn Potter wrote:
> >> Dale Maggee wrote:
> >>> Aah, the fun continues...
>
> [snip utter nonsense]
>
> and you have just demonstrated your maturity level. Go home, your
> parents want to wash your mouth out with soap.
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Lorn Potter]

Dale Maggee wrote:
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> Lorn Potter wrote:
>> Dale Maggee wrote:
>>> Aah, the fun continues...

[snip utter nonsense]

and you have just demonstrated your maturity level. Go home, your 
parents want to wash your mouth out with soap.

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Re: [QtExtended] Terminal

[andrew howlett]

Radek:

thank you very much, this is really great.

radagast.
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pyPenNotes patch to save current page, and fix a loading bug

[EdorFaus]

Hi,

I've written a patch for pyPenNotes that makes it save the current page 
along with the rest of the notes data, and also change to that page when 
the file is loaded.

It works by adding a * on the end of the "Note " line that 
represents the current page; this doesn't break the file for 0.3b 
because that only looks for commas.


In the process, I found a bug; I noticed that after loading and saving, 
the first coordinate on each stroke got duplicated. I tracked it down to 
a missing else in the load code, and fixed that while I was in there.


I wasn't sure what to do with this patch, who to send it to, so I 
figured I'd just upload it somewhere and tell the list, hoping that the 
maintainer(s) read the list.

The patch file (against 0.3b), and the patched code, is available here:

http://edorfaus.xepher.net/openmoko/


-EdorFaus


PS: Risto H. Kurppa: Here's another checkmark for your OM wishlist. :)

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Re: fso-gps..

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Dienstag, den 17.03.2009, 00:13 +0100 schrieb Vinzenz Hersche:
> it's very strange, i tried also with a actuall download of the testing-kernel 
> and testing lite-image and a new flash of both (so they should be new), but 
> it 
> also doesn't work..
> 
> r...@om-gta02 ~ $ cat /var/log/frameworkd.log | grep gps
> 2009.03.16 23:06:48 frameworkd.controller INFO launching internal 
> subsystem ogpsd
> 2009.03.16 23:06:48 frameworkd.subsystem INFO Scanned subsystem via 
> method 
> 'auto', result is ['om.py', 'gpsdevice.py', 'helpers.py', 'eten.pyo', 
> 'helpers.pyo', 'eten.py', 'ubx.pyo', 'gpschannel.pyo', 'gpschannel.py', 
> '__init__.py', 'nmea.py', 'om.pyo', 'factory.pyo', 'nmea.pyo', 
> '__init__.pyo','ubx.py', 'factory.py', 'gpsdevice.pyo']
> 2009.03.16 23:06:54 ogpsdWARNING  (could not write to 
> '/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file 
> or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on')
> 2009.03.16 23:06:54 ogpsdWARNING  (could not write to 
> '/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file 
> or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on')

Looks good. FSO supports two kernel versions with two different sysfs
paths, so one will always be missing.

> 2009.03.16 23:06:54 frameworkd.persist ERRORno persist data for subsystem 
> ogpsd

No problem, it will be generated next time. Daniel, should we turn this
into an INFO rather than an ERROR?

> 2009.03.16 23:06:55 ogspd.gpsdevice INFO GTA02Device initialized. Serving 
> org.freedesktop.Gypsy at /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
> 2009.03.16 23:06:55 frameworkd.subsystem INFO subsystem ogpsd took 6.78 
> seconds to startup

It's successfully up.

> 2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogspd.gpsdevice INFO disabling

It's disabling the hardware to synchronize the hardware status with the
logic status (power off by default).

> 2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while 
> serial 
> is not open.
> 2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while 
> serial 
> is not open.
> 2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while 
> serial 
> is not open.
> 2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while 
> serial 
> is not open.
> 2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while 
> serial 
> is not open.
> 2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while 
> serial 
> is not open.
> 2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while 
> serial 
> is not open.
> 2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while 
> serial 
> is not open.
> 2009.03.16 23:08:38 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while 
> serial 
> is not open.
> 2009.03.16 23:08:38 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while 
> serial 
> is not open.

It's sending commands to shut it down, in case it was online previously
(which we don't know on first start, since something else could have run
before).

> 2009.03.16 23:08:38 ogpsdWARNING  (could not write to 
> '/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file 
> or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on')
> 2009.03.16 23:09:09 ogspd.gpsdevice INFO enabling
> 2009.03.16 23:09:09 ogpsdWARNING  (could not write to 
> '/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file 
> or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on')
> 
> same failure.. :( 

No failure -- see above. Device should be up and running now.



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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Dale Maggee]

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Lorn Potter wrote:
> Dale Maggee wrote:
>> Aah, the fun continues...
> 
> [snip utter nonsense]

"Utter nonsense", again, including questions which you persist in
ignoring, and discussion of the issues with your shit software which you
 categorically refuse to discuss or even acknowledge exist.

> http://www.netalert.gov.au/advice/behaviour/netiquette_emoticons/What_is_netiquette.html
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette

So... you can copy and paste a web address, good for you!

I guess, it *is* more than I would have expected from someone of your
"special-ness". Were the people at the spastic society proud of you for
accomplishing that? did they give you a gold star?

You *really are* a fucking retard, you know that, don't you?

from the netalert website that YOU LINKED TO:

Examples of netiquette include:
* responding appropriately to requests

Congratulations, Lorn, you complete fucking idiot, you fucking liar, you
absolute wanker - You've just demonstrated, once again, for the entire
world's verification, that you're the stupidest motherfucker on it.

I can't believe you would link to a page which confirms that you broke
"netiquette" first, and that any response telling you that you're a
fucking liar, or a fucking wanker, or a fucking retard is entirely
justified and warranted.

Actually, I can believe it - why stop contradicting yourself just
because you look like a retard?

I have links, too!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot_(usage)

Given that you insist on ignoring the issues at hand:

Wow, I have to give you credit - you certainly are good at completely
ignoring damning evidence and not answering questions directly put to
you multiple times. Ever considered a career in politics? You'd fit in
really well there!

How Long does it take to type your address on your freerunner, using the
methods described...errr...three(?) emails ago? and now, how long does
it take on your PC?

How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running
QTe? and why did you do that "Many Times", as you claim? seems like
wasted effort to me...

> > [snip useless drivel]

This "useless drivel" Lorn refers to is me demonstrating that Lorn is
either lying or a complete retard. The fact that he refuses to even
acknowledge this and attempted to trim it from all further
correspondence indicates to me that it's malice, not stupidity.

I'll restore this in the vain hope that perhaps he might address it,
rather than ignore it as he has consistently done all afternoon:

>> > > No one said to use the little qwerty keyboard with fingers.

I BEG YOUR PARDON?!?!?

Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm:
>> > >Then you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard.

Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm:
>> > > You can even use this with big fingers and hit in between letters
>> > > and it will still work (suggestively) well.

Now, we were discussing the predictive keyboard, and you told me that I
"could easily switch to the qwerty keyboard"... which qwerty keyboard
were you referring to, exactly, if not the little qwerty keyboard? There
are only two: the predictive keyboard and the qwerty keyboard. Unless
you're trying to tell me that there's a difference between 'keyboard'
and 'docked keyboard'.

I call "bullshit".

Lorn, you're either completely full of shit, or you have no idea what
the fuck you're talking about. Due to the old adage "never attribute to
malice that which can be explained by stupidity", I'll give you an
opportunity to publicly apologise and explain exactly what the hell
you're on about...

>> >> the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING.
> >
> > It does.

No, it doesn't. You're either a liar or a fucking retard. I lean towards
"Liar".

If you're a liar, you're *also* a fucking retard - when lying, the
non-retard would come up with a *credible* lie, which you're not even
bothering with... Or is it that you're just not clever enough?

> > You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you
> > cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact with
> > this code.

I didn't say "Bad", I said "shit", which is worse than bad.

and, Yeah, I can: Watch me: "You've done a shit job."

Regardless of any contact you may or may not have had with the code, or
your contributions or lack thereof to qtopia, you have done a shit job.

Firstly, where's the QTe release that was coming in December? why such
inadequate communication? You've done a shit Job.

Secondly, you've done an absolutely abysmal job today. Refusing to
acknowledge or address my concerns, as far as I'm concerned, means that
you're just a fucking wanker who has no sense of pride in his work, and
would rather pretend that a product is adequate, when it's clearly not,
than even acknowledge it's faults. This is a *SHIT JOB*, 

Re: fso-gps..

[Vinzenz Hersche]

it's very strange, i tried also with a actuall download of the testing-kernel 
and testing lite-image and a new flash of both (so they should be new), but it 
also doesn't work..

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ cat /var/log/frameworkd.log | grep gps
2009.03.16 23:06:48 frameworkd.controller INFO launching internal 
subsystem ogpsd
2009.03.16 23:06:48 frameworkd.subsystem INFO Scanned subsystem via method 
'auto', result is ['om.py', 'gpsdevice.py', 'helpers.py', 'eten.pyo', 
'helpers.pyo', 'eten.py', 'ubx.pyo', 'gpschannel.pyo', 'gpschannel.py', 
'__init__.py', 'nmea.py', 'om.pyo', 'factory.pyo', 'nmea.pyo', 
'__init__.pyo','ubx.py', 'factory.py', 'gpsdevice.pyo']
2009.03.16 23:06:54 ogpsdWARNING  (could not write to 
'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file 
or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on')
2009.03.16 23:06:54 ogpsdWARNING  (could not write to 
'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file 
or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on')
2009.03.16 23:06:54 frameworkd.persist ERRORno persist data for subsystem 
ogpsd
2009.03.16 23:06:55 ogspd.gpsdevice INFO GTA02Device initialized. Serving 
org.freedesktop.Gypsy at /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
2009.03.16 23:06:55 frameworkd.subsystem INFO subsystem ogpsd took 6.78 
seconds to startup
2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogspd.gpsdevice INFO disabling
2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 23:08:37 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 23:08:38 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 23:08:38 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 23:08:38 ogpsdWARNING  (could not write to 
'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file 
or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on')
2009.03.16 23:09:09 ogspd.gpsdevice INFO enabling
2009.03.16 23:09:09 ogpsdWARNING  (could not write to 
'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file 
or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on')

same failure.. :( 

On Montag 16 März 2009 23:36:04 arne anka wrote:
> > so, is there a way to reconfigure this file? it works by my brother (but
> > he's sleeping, so i couldn't copy the file yet :p )
>
> even if he's awake -- no chance.
> sysfs is created by the kernel upon boot and mounted at /sys.
> most likely your kernel is too new and/or your fso-framework too old.
>
> here, with debian and kernel 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 (and
> fso-frameworkd  0.8.4.9-20090130-3)
>
> /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
>
> exists.
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Re: [qtextended] wireless script not correct

[HouYu Li]

wow. superb!

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:07 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke
wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:10:34 +0100
> Franky Van Liedekerke  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > (I can't create a ticket on
> > http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved, so I'm posting on the
> > list)
> >
> > the wireless lan only works once, because the wpa_supplicant is left
> > running after stopping the wireless.
> > Here's a complete bug report with a fix:
> >
> >
> http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?method=entry&id=241864
> >
> > It seems to work (now wireless can be on/off multiple times), but the
> > resolving still doesn't work (since I can't seem to connect to the
> > internet).
> > Maybe some extra logging can help, but this is for sure the
> > beginning :-)
> >
> > Franky
> >
>
> ok, I managed to create the ticket now, and I also fixed the script.
> Now dhcp works ok for wireless, and routing and resolv.conf are now
> being set correctly for dhcp as well.
> Proof: the integrated webserver works ok now, yey! And the software
> packages work now as well, etc ... (well ok, not much proof here, but
> see the ticket http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/6
> and try it out for yourself).
>
> Franky
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Re: [QtExtended] Terminal

[Lorn Potter]

Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:08:45 +0100
> Radek Polak  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> this is patch and sources for adding terminal application
>> to QT Extended Improved. Patch is attached, sources are
>> here [1]. They are taken from here [2].
>>
>> The tar has to be extracted to src/3rdparty/applications
>> then apply patch and rebuild.
>>
>> Radek
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/qterminal/qterminal.tar.gz
>> [2]
>> http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git;a=tree;f=src/3rdparty/applications/qterminal;h=ae7a87fde1f1200ed0deab47b1bf6ca197f072ae;hb=tsdogs
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> Has this anything to do with
> http://www.qt-apps.org/content/show.php?action=content&content=92158
> or with
> http://code.google.com/p/qscite/
> ?

No, qterminal is a 'port' of embeddedkonsole from Qt/E 2 to Qt/E 4.

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Lorn Potter]

Dale Maggee wrote:
> Aah, the fun continues...

[snip utter nonsense]

http://www.netalert.gov.au/advice/behaviour/netiquette_emoticons/What_is_netiquette.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette


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Re: [QtExtended] Terminal

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:08:45 +0100
Radek Polak  wrote:

> Hi,
> this is patch and sources for adding terminal application
> to QT Extended Improved. Patch is attached, sources are
> here [1]. They are taken from here [2].
> 
> The tar has to be extracted to src/3rdparty/applications
> then apply patch and rebuild.
> 
> Radek
> 
> 
> [1]
> http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/qterminal/qterminal.tar.gz
> [2]
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Has this anything to do with
http://www.qt-apps.org/content/show.php?action=content&content=92158
or with
http://code.google.com/p/qscite/
?

Franky

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[debian]: gridpad deb available

[arne anka]

i just created a deb package for gridpad (http://www.om.vptt.ch/, which  
seesm down for some days now)
and put it at

> http://www.ginguppin.de/node/27

it comes up w/o any decorations, so you can't easily close it -- once i  
figure out how to use it, i will make it toggle with aux.

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Re: fso-gps..

[arne anka]

> so, is there a way to reconfigure this file? it works by my brother (but  
> he's sleeping, so i couldn't copy the file yet :p )

even if he's awake -- no chance.
sysfs is created by the kernel upon boot and mounted at /sys.
most likely your kernel is too new and/or your fso-framework too old.

here, with debian and kernel 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 (and  
fso-frameworkd  0.8.4.9-20090130-3)

/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron

exists.

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Re: [SHR] Launching applications

[Joseph Reeves]

Thanks all for the info and the testing. I'll update the file tomorrow
- users with the opkg.org repo will be able to simply opkg update &&
opkg upgrade

cheers, joseph

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Re: [qtextended] wireless script not correct

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:10:34 +0100
Franky Van Liedekerke  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> (I can't create a ticket on
> http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved, so I'm posting on the
> list)
> 
> the wireless lan only works once, because the wpa_supplicant is left
> running after stopping the wireless.
> Here's a complete bug report with a fix:
> 
> http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?method=entry&id=241864
> 
> It seems to work (now wireless can be on/off multiple times), but the
> resolving still doesn't work (since I can't seem to connect to the
> internet).
> Maybe some extra logging can help, but this is for sure the
> beginning :-)
> 
> Franky
> 

ok, I managed to create the ticket now, and I also fixed the script.
Now dhcp works ok for wireless, and routing and resolv.conf are now
being set correctly for dhcp as well.
Proof: the integrated webserver works ok now, yey! And the software
packages work now as well, etc ... (well ok, not much proof here, but
see the ticket http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/6
and try it out for yourself).

Franky

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fso-gps..

[Vinzenz Hersche]

hello there..

my gps-daemon isn't running, because it want's a file which isn't exist in my 
installation (shr-testing, with jffs2)..
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ cat /var/log/frameworkd.log | grep gps
2009.03.16 22:35:36 frameworkd.controller INFO launching internal 
subsystem ogpsd
2009.03.16 22:35:36 frameworkd.subsystem INFO Scanned subsystem via method 
'auto', result is ['om.py', 'gpsdevice.py', 'helpers.py', 'eten.pyo', 
'helpers.pyo', 'eten.py', 'ubx.pyo', 'gpschannel.pyo', 'gpschannel.py', 
'__init__.py', 'nmea.py', 'om.pyo', 'factory.pyo', 'nmea.pyo', 
'__init__.pyo','ubx.py', 'factory.py', 'gpsdevice.pyo']
2009.03.16 22:35:41 ogpsdWARNING  (could not write to 
'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file 
or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on')
2009.03.16 22:35:42 ogpsdWARNING  (could not write to 
'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file 
or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on')
2009.03.16 22:35:42 ogspd.gpsdevice INFO GTA02Device initialized. Serving 
org.freedesktop.Gypsy at /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
2009.03.16 22:35:42 frameworkd.subsystem INFO subsystem ogpsd took 5.85 
seconds to startup
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogspd.gpsdevice INFO disabling
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  (could not write to 
'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file 
or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on')

so i searched in the tar-file of shr for this file, but the /sys-directory is 
empty. is there a way to create this file? i tried to create it by touch:

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ touch /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on
touch: /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on: No such file or 
directory

is it using a tool or does i need a complet new installation? was it "just" a 
upload-failure of dfu-util?

hope, someone could help me.. :)

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fso-gps..

[Vinzenz Hersche]

hello there,

i had a problem with my gps-daemon. i hadn't a file which is needed to start 
the gps-daemon.

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ cat /var/log/frameworkd.log | grep gps
2009.03.16 22:35:36 frameworkd.controller INFO launching internal 
subsystem ogpsd
2009.03.16 22:35:36 frameworkd.subsystem INFO Scanned subsystem via method 
'auto', result is ['om.py', 'gpsdevice.py', 'helpers.py', 'eten.pyo', 
'helpers.pyo', 'eten.py', 'ubx.pyo', 'gpschannel.pyo', 'gpschannel.py', 
'__init__.py', 'nmea.py', 'om.pyo', 'factory.pyo', 'nmea.pyo', 
'__init__.pyo','ubx.py', 'factory.py', 'gpsdevice.pyo']
2009.03.16 22:35:41 ogpsdWARNING  (could not write to 
'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file 
or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on')
2009.03.16 22:35:42 ogpsdWARNING  (could not write to 
'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file 
or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on')
2009.03.16 22:35:42 ogspd.gpsdevice INFO GTA02Device initialized. Serving 
org.freedesktop.Gypsy at /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
2009.03.16 22:35:42 frameworkd.subsystem INFO subsystem ogpsd took 5.85 
seconds to startup
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogspd.gpsdevice INFO disabling
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  Attempted to send something while serial 
is not open.
2009.03.16 22:36:45 ogpsdWARNING  (could not write to 
'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file 
or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on')

so i searched for /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on in the 
shr-tar, but the /sys/-directory is empty :s (but not on the moko itself, so i 
think, the content is created by the system..)

so, is there a way to reconfigure this file? it works by my brother (but he's 
sleeping, so i couldn't copy the file yet :p )

i tried also to create the file with 


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Re: [SHR] Launching applications

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> The problem isn't that command, but the shell you're specifying at the start 
> of the script. Change from #!/bin/bash to #!/bin/sh and it works just fine.

Tested, now it works. Joseph Reeves, could you insert this fix in an
upgrade for the gvsig ipk (in repository)?

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[qtextended] wireless script not correct

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

Hi,

(I can't create a ticket on
http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved, so I'm posting on the
list)

the wireless lan only works once, because the wpa_supplicant is left
running after stopping the wireless.
Here's a complete bug report with a fix:

http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?method=entry&id=241864

It seems to work (now wireless can be on/off multiple times), but the
resolving still doesn't work (since I can't seem to connect to the
internet).
Maybe some extra logging can help, but this is for sure the
beginning :-)

Franky


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Re: Finger Friendly chess program

[GNUtoo]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 21:04 +0100, Francesco de Virgilio wrote:
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> Leonti Bielski ha scritto:
> > Hello!
> > 
> > I'm looking for chess application to play on my FR.
> > What choices do I have?
> > 
> > Right now I have fltk-chess installed, but it is not finger-friendly
> > (board is not resized).
> > 
> > Leonti
> 
> Wow, I'm perfectly agree... chess is a _must_ among the addictive games
> we should have on our Free Phone :D
Is xboard with the good command line options ok?
because it can be scaled from tiny to huge...
It must be in debian and it's in openembedded(but you will need to give
the path of phalanx if you use phalanx...because phalanx was made
specially for opie if I remember well.)
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Re: Finger Friendly chess program

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Leonti Bielski ha scritto:
> Hello!
> 
> I'm looking for chess application to play on my FR.
> What choices do I have?
> 
> Right now I have fltk-chess installed, but it is not finger-friendly
> (board is not resized).
> 
> Leonti

Wow, I'm perfectly agree... chess is a _must_ among the addictive games
we should have on our Free Phone :D

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Finger Friendly chess program

[Leonti Bielski]

Hello!

I'm looking for chess application to play on my FR.
What choices do I have?

Right now I have fltk-chess installed, but it is not finger-friendly
(board is not resized).

Leonti

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RE: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

Hello Yorick. I understand then that your phone is not Java-enabled right now?

Can you copy the attached 'go.jar' to your phone and type from the same folder:

jamvm -cp ./go.jar org.test.go

This what I get:

r...@om-gta02:~# jamvm -cp ./go.jar org.test.go
Hello class: java.lang.Class
r...@om-gta02:~#



What do you get?



Regards,



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From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org on behalf of Yorick Moko
Sent: Mon 16/03/2009 18:26
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
 
thanks for your help, but i get:

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install cacao -force-depends
Installing cacao (0.99.3-r5.1) to root...
Downloading 
http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/openmoko/armv4t/cacao_0.99.3-r5.1_armv4t.ipk
Installing classpath (0.97.2-r8.1) to root...
Downloading 
http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/openmoko/armv4t/classpath_0.97.2-r8.1_armv4t.ipk
Installing classpath-common (0.97.2-r8.1) to root...
Downloading 
http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/openmoko/armv4t/classpath-common_0.97.2-r8.1_armv4t.ipk
Configuring cacao
update-alternatives: Linking //usr/bin/java to /usr/bin/cacao
Configuring classpath
Configuring classpath-common
Collected errors:
 * Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for cacao:
 *  libgcc-s1 (>= 4.1.2) *  libgcc-s1 (>= 4.1.2) *
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ cacao -Xmx40M -cp
/usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/car
Absurd stack bottom value
Aborted

btw:
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list_installed |grep libgcc
libgcc1 - 4.1.2-r19 -


On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
 wrote:
> Hello, Yorick,
>
> You can also try cacao:
>
> opkg install cacao
>
> then:
>
> cacao -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
> es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card
>
> Regsrd,
> Juan Lucas
>
>
> 
> De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de Yorick Moko
> Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:45
> Para: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
>
> still nobody getting (on shr-testing) the following error?
> r...@om-gta02 /etc/init.d $ DISPLAY=:0 gvsig
> Stopping freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: stopped process
> in pidfile '/var/run/fso-gpsd.pid' (pid 1442)
> (done)
> Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: (ok)
> Exception occurred while VM initialising.
> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class
>
> using the terminal command I found in these e-mails i also get the same
> error:
> r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
> /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
> es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om
> /media/card
> Exception occurred while VM initialising.
> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class
>
> y
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
>  wrote:
>> Yes, sorry, I read about that only yesterday. I think the first line in
>> the
>> gvsig.sh (restarting the Gpsd) is probably unnecessary in all cases.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Juan Lucas
>> 
>> De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de kimaidou
>> Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:32
>> Para: List for Openmoko community discussion
>> Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
>>
>> Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every
>> application using it. It is so with tangogps for example.
>>
>> 2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves 
>>>
>>> Great news :)
>>>
>>> SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where
>>> you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions,
>>> but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :(
>>>
>>> Cheers, Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/3/16 kimaidou :
>>> > Hi all
>>> >
>>> > Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his
>>> > email :
>>> > r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
>>> > /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
>>> > es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card
>>> >
>>> > I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS
>>> > solutions ! Thanks to the developpers !
>>> >
>>> > Kimaidou
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Re: [SHR] Launching applications

[Al Johnson]

On Monday 16 March 2009, Joseph Reeves wrote:
> As per the recent gvSIG Mobile thread:
>
> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2486265|a2486543
>
> Why does SHR fail to find the application gvsig when the file exists
> as: /usr/bin/gvsig ?
>
> The application can be run with:
>
> jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
> /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
> es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om
> /media/card
>
> but this doesn't work if executed from the script /usr/bin/gvsig - why is
> this?
>
> What do I need to do to allow execution by pressing the icon in SHR?

The problem isn't that command, but the shell you're specifying at the start 
of the script. Change from #!/bin/bash to #!/bin/sh and it works just fine.


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Re: [SHR] Launching applications

[Joel Newkirk]

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:27:02 +
Joseph Reeves  wrote:

> As per the recent gvSIG Mobile thread:
> 
> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2486265|a2486543
> 
> Why does SHR fail to find the application gvsig when the file exists
> as: /usr/bin/gvsig ?
> 
> The application can be run with:
> 
> jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
> /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
> es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om
> /media/card
> 
> but this doesn't work if executed from the script /usr/bin/gvsig -
> why is this?
> 
> What do I need to do to allow execution by pressing the icon in SHR?
> 
> Thanks, Joseph

Presuming that the icon is visible but just not working, my guess would
be that you need to include explicit path to everything within the
script, IE the java VM...  Logged in via terminal or SSH you will have
$PATH defined, when triggering scripts from GUI or automation $PATH may
not be defined.

j

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Re: shr- install zhone

[Fernando Martins]

Al Johnson wrote:
> There is no package missing as there is no armv4 entry in the repository. 
> There is an armv4 config in /etc/opkg/ which shouldn't be there, and has 
> probably been removed in recent images, and it is that that causes the error. 
> You can safely ignore it, or just delete the offending entry. Note that 
> armv4t 
> is required - one character makes all the difference!
>
>   
Thanks, the update is complete but zhone is not in the list.

Am I correct in assuming that zhone is not available for shr?


Fernando

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Updated zenity package ?

[kimaidou]

Hi list

I need some help about zenity. I use it for my small application "voicenote"
(1), and for now I told people to use this package:
opkg install
http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
wich is too old : I get some errors when installing voicenote under last SHR
testing:

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install
http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/a
rmv4t/zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk alsa-utils-aplay
http://www.opkg.org/packages/
voicenote_0.4_arm.ipk
Downloading
http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
Downloading http://www.opkg.org/packages/voicenote_0.4_arm.ipk
Installing zenity (2.20.1-r0) to root...
Package alsa-utils-aplay (1.0.15-r1) installed in root is up to date.
Installing voicenote (0.4) to root...
Installing zenity (2.20.1-r0) to root...
Configuring voicenote
Configuring zenity
Collected errors:
 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for zenity:
 *  libgnomecanvas-2-0 *  libgnomecanvas-2-0 (>= 2.20.0) *
gtk+-fastscaling (>= 2.10.14) *  libnotify (>= 0.4.4) *

Does someone knows where I can find a newer package for zenity ?
Can someone build it please ?
Is it just a SHR problem, or does this error also occur on Om distributions
?

Thanks in advance

Kimaidou
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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Yorick Moko]

thanks for your help, but i get:

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install cacao -force-depends
Installing cacao (0.99.3-r5.1) to root...
Downloading 
http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/openmoko/armv4t/cacao_0.99.3-r5.1_armv4t.ipk
Installing classpath (0.97.2-r8.1) to root...
Downloading 
http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/openmoko/armv4t/classpath_0.97.2-r8.1_armv4t.ipk
Installing classpath-common (0.97.2-r8.1) to root...
Downloading 
http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/openmoko/armv4t/classpath-common_0.97.2-r8.1_armv4t.ipk
Configuring cacao
update-alternatives: Linking //usr/bin/java to /usr/bin/cacao
Configuring classpath
Configuring classpath-common
Collected errors:
 * Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for cacao:
 *  libgcc-s1 (>= 4.1.2) *  libgcc-s1 (>= 4.1.2) *
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ cacao -Xmx40M -cp
/usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/car
Absurd stack bottom value
Aborted

btw:
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list_installed |grep libgcc
libgcc1 - 4.1.2-r19 -


On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
 wrote:
> Hello, Yorick,
>
> You can also try cacao:
>
> opkg install cacao
>
> then:
>
> cacao -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
> es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card
>
> Regsrd,
> Juan Lucas
>
>
> 
> De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de Yorick Moko
> Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:45
> Para: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
>
> still nobody getting (on shr-testing) the following error?
> r...@om-gta02 /etc/init.d $ DISPLAY=:0 gvsig
> Stopping freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: stopped process
> in pidfile '/var/run/fso-gpsd.pid' (pid 1442)
> (done)
> Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: (ok)
> Exception occurred while VM initialising.
> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class
>
> using the terminal command I found in these e-mails i also get the same
> error:
> r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
> /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
> es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om
> /media/card
> Exception occurred while VM initialising.
> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class
>
> y
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
>  wrote:
>> Yes, sorry, I read about that only yesterday. I think the first line in
>> the
>> gvsig.sh (restarting the Gpsd) is probably unnecessary in all cases.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Juan Lucas
>> 
>> De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de kimaidou
>> Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:32
>> Para: List for Openmoko community discussion
>> Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
>>
>> Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every
>> application using it. It is so with tangogps for example.
>>
>> 2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves 
>>>
>>> Great news :)
>>>
>>> SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where
>>> you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions,
>>> but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :(
>>>
>>> Cheers, Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/3/16 kimaidou :
>>> > Hi all
>>> >
>>> > Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his
>>> > email :
>>> > r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
>>> > /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
>>> > es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card
>>> >
>>> > I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS
>>> > solutions ! Thanks to the developpers !
>>> >
>>> > Kimaidou
>>> >
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Re: Hardware mumble

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Ron K. Jeffries  wrote:
> Q1: What's the status of revised and improved OpenMoko
> hardware? Back in the day there was talk of GTA03
> intended to be a modest refresh incorporating
> better radio that supports Edge, better GPS, a camera
> and a redesigned case. Not sure if GTA03 will support
> a second, externally accessible SD card slot, but one
> can only dream.

A1:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03

> Q2: (may be contentious)
> GTA03 is nice, but is incremental. One can easily imagine
> that OpenMoko team can design and bring to life
> a MUCH more interesting next mobile device, even given
> the (severe!) constraints of the unique underlying
> "every bit must be open" that puts a LOT of
> very attractive technology out of bounds.

A2: oh.. sorry, I must have missed the question here..?

r

ps. Detailed specs of GTA03 are unknown.


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RE: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

Hello, Yorick,

You can also try cacao:

opkg install cacao
 
then:
 
cacao -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar 
es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card

Regsrd,
Juan Lucas
 
 


De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de Yorick Moko
Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:45
Para: List for Openmoko community discussion
Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko



still nobody getting (on shr-testing) the following error?
r...@om-gta02 /etc/init.d $ DISPLAY=:0 gvsig
Stopping freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: stopped process
in pidfile '/var/run/fso-gpsd.pid' (pid 1442)
(done)
Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: (ok)
Exception occurred while VM initialising.
java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class

using the terminal command I found in these e-mails i also get the same error:
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
/usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om
/media/card
Exception occurred while VM initialising.
java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class

y


On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
 wrote:
> Yes, sorry, I read about that only yesterday. I think the first line in the
> gvsig.sh (restarting the Gpsd) is probably unnecessary in all cases.
>
> Regards,
> Juan Lucas
> 
> De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de kimaidou
> Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:32
> Para: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
>
> Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every
> application using it. It is so with tangogps for example.
>
> 2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves 
>>
>> Great news :)
>>
>> SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where
>> you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions,
>> but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :(
>>
>> Cheers, Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/3/16 kimaidou :
>> > Hi all
>> >
>> > Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his
>> > email :
>> > r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
>> > /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
>> > es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card
>> >
>> > I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS
>> > solutions ! Thanks to the developpers !
>> >
>> > Kimaidou
>> >
>> > ___
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>> > community@lists.openmoko.org
>> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>> >
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Hardware mumble

[Ron K. Jeffries]

Q1: What's the status of revised and improved OpenMoko
hardware? Back in the day there was talk of GTA03
intended to be a modest refresh incorporating
better radio that supports Edge, better GPS, a camera
and a redesigned case. Not sure if GTA03 will support
a second, externally accessible SD card slot, but one
can only dream.

It's mid-March 2009. If GTA03 is not ready for
alpha test fairly soon, one wonders whether this
promising OpenSourec Hardware and Software
project may have (unfortunately!) failed to achieve
critical mass. I hope not.


Q2: (may be contentious)
GTA03 is nice, but is incremental. One can easily imagine
that OpenMoko team can design and bring to life
a MUCH more interesting next mobile device, even given
the (severe!) constraints of the unique underlying
"every bit must be open" that puts a LOT of
very attractive technology out of bounds.
.
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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Joseph Reeves]

Juan Lucas mentioned to me off-list that your jamvm install might be
broken for some reason. Can you opkg install cacao and edit the
command to run "java " rather than "jamvm "

That should work fine. If it does, perhaps try reinstalling jamvm?
It'll work with Cacao, but it seems to be better with Jam.

Thanks, Joseph



2009/3/16 Yorick Moko :
> still nobody getting (on shr-testing) the following error?
> r...@om-gta02 /etc/init.d $ DISPLAY=:0 gvsig
> Stopping freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: stopped process
> in pidfile '/var/run/fso-gpsd.pid' (pid 1442)
> (done)
> Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: (ok)
> Exception occurred while VM initialising.
> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class
>
> using the terminal command I found in these e-mails i also get the same error:
> r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
> /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
> es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om
> /media/card
> Exception occurred while VM initialising.
> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class
>
> y
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
>  wrote:
>> Yes, sorry, I read about that only yesterday. I think the first line in the
>> gvsig.sh (restarting the Gpsd) is probably unnecessary in all cases.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Juan Lucas
>> 
>> De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de kimaidou
>> Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:32
>> Para: List for Openmoko community discussion
>> Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
>>
>> Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every
>> application using it. It is so with tangogps for example.
>>
>> 2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves 
>>>
>>> Great news :)
>>>
>>> SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where
>>> you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions,
>>> but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :(
>>>
>>> Cheers, Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/3/16 kimaidou :
>>> > Hi all
>>> >
>>> > Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his
>>> > email :
>>> > r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
>>> > /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
>>> > es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card
>>> >
>>> > I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS
>>> > solutions ! Thanks to the developpers !
>>> >
>>> > Kimaidou
>>> >
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>>> >
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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Yorick Moko]

still nobody getting (on shr-testing) the following error?
r...@om-gta02 /etc/init.d $ DISPLAY=:0 gvsig
Stopping freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: stopped process
in pidfile '/var/run/fso-gpsd.pid' (pid 1442)
(done)
Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: (ok)
Exception occurred while VM initialising.
java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class

using the terminal command I found in these e-mails i also get the same error:
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
/usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om
/media/card
Exception occurred while VM initialising.
java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class

y


On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
 wrote:
> Yes, sorry, I read about that only yesterday. I think the first line in the
> gvsig.sh (restarting the Gpsd) is probably unnecessary in all cases.
>
> Regards,
> Juan Lucas
> 
> De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de kimaidou
> Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:32
> Para: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
>
> Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every
> application using it. It is so with tangogps for example.
>
> 2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves 
>>
>> Great news :)
>>
>> SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where
>> you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions,
>> but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :(
>>
>> Cheers, Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/3/16 kimaidou :
>> > Hi all
>> >
>> > Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his
>> > email :
>> > r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
>> > /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
>> > es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card
>> >
>> > I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS
>> > solutions ! Thanks to the developpers !
>> >
>> > Kimaidou
>> >
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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Joseph Reeves]

Ok, that's cool.

Does this help SHR users? Does editing
/usr/share/applications/gvsig.desktop to execute the command as found
by Francesco instead of simply "gvsig" work?

Cheers, Joseph



2009/3/16 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio :
> Yes, sorry, I read about that only yesterday. I think the first line in the
> gvsig.sh (restarting the Gpsd) is probably unnecessary in all cases.
>
> Regards,
> Juan Lucas
> 
> De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de kimaidou
> Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:32
> Para: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
>
> Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every
> application using it. It is so with tangogps for example.
>
> 2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves 
>>
>> Great news :)
>>
>> SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where
>> you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions,
>> but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :(
>>
>> Cheers, Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/3/16 kimaidou :
>> > Hi all
>> >
>> > Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his
>> > email :
>> > r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
>> > /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
>> > es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card
>> >
>> > I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS
>> > solutions ! Thanks to the developpers !
>> >
>> > Kimaidou
>> >
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RE: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

Yes, sorry, I read about that only yesterday. I think the first line in the 
gvsig.sh (restarting the Gpsd) is probably unnecessary in all cases.
 
Regards,
Juan Lucas



De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de kimaidou
Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:32
Para: List for Openmoko community discussion
Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko


Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every 
application using it. It is so with tangogps for example.


2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves 


Great news :)

SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where
you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions,
but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :(

Cheers, Joseph



2009/3/16 kimaidou :

> Hi all
>
> Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in 
his
> email :
> r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
> /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
> es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om 
/media/card
>
> I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS
> solutions ! Thanks to the developpers !
>
> Kimaidou
>

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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[kimaidou]

Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every
application using it. It is so with tangogps for example.

2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves 

> Great news :)
>
> SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where
> you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions,
> but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :(
>
> Cheers, Joseph
>
>
>
> 2009/3/16 kimaidou :
> > Hi all
> >
> > Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his
> > email :
> > r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
> > /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
> > es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card
> >
> > I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS
> > solutions ! Thanks to the developpers !
> >
> > Kimaidou
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Re: Debian package for pythm Was: [debian] Packaging python apps, f.e. pythm...

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> > (pkg-fso for example). To achieve this the requirements to get into pkg-fso 
> > shouldn't be too demanding imho.
> I thought pkg-fso was a temporary repository for packages that are
> aiming to enter debian. I would be surprised if I got some low-quality
> stuff from there.
and I aim to ship pythm into Debian as soon as all dependencies are
available (python-edbus is the one and it is to be provided by pkg-fso
team) in the Debian main

Debian package is already almost complete imho (just missing manpage and
need a correct xpm icon for menu). Not sure what additional steps I need
to do to make the package 'high quality' ;)

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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Joseph Reeves]

Great news :)

SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where
you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions,
but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :(

Cheers, Joseph



2009/3/16 kimaidou :
> Hi all
>
> Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his
> email :
> r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
> /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
> es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card
>
> I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS
> solutions ! Thanks to the developpers !
>
> Kimaidou
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RE: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

Hello, the initial loading time depends on the sum of SHP + DBF + SHX. After 
that, the drawing time depends on how many vertices and pixels are painted on 
the screen (it you zoom in, it's faster, of course). You will start losing your 
patience  if the SHP is greater than 500 KB. There's a lot of work to be done 
to improve the graphic performance.
 
 
 
Regards,
Juan Lucas



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Joseph Reeves ha scritto:
>> On SHR-testing it works for me:
>
> Great to hear :)

Yeah :)

>> After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try
>> "gvsig" from terminal, it answers me "not found".
>
> The icon should appear, but seemingly doesn't :( restart your xserver
> and you will see the lovely gvSIG icon. Rebooting the phone does the
> same.

After restarting xserver, it appears :)

> After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try
> "gvsig" from terminal, it answers me "not found".
>
> I don't know why it's not found if the file gvsig exists in /usr/bin -
> it works fine in OM2008.X - does SHR do something differently?

I don't know.

Another question: I'm trying to load a shp file of an archaeological
site. Which is the recommended dimension for shp + shx + dbf files? With
a sum of 7 Mb it seems a bit slow :)

>
> Thanks for the feedback,

Thanks for the app :D

> Joseph
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[SHR] Launching applications

[Joseph Reeves]

As per the recent gvSIG Mobile thread:

http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2486265|a2486543

Why does SHR fail to find the application gvsig when the file exists
as: /usr/bin/gvsig ?

The application can be run with:

jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
/usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om
/media/card

but this doesn't work if executed from the script /usr/bin/gvsig - why is this?

What do I need to do to allow execution by pressing the icon in SHR?

Thanks, Joseph

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Re: [SHR] Howto configure GPRS

[kimaidou]

Hi pander,

First, you need to load the ppp modules

echo ppp-generic > /etc/modutils/ppp-generic
update-modules


For me the easiest way to connect and disconnect to my GPRS provider (
mmsbouygtel.com) is to load theses scripts using dbus commands:

To connect (you must chmod +x the script, and replace mygprs_address by
yours, e.g mmsbouygtel.com for me; the x x at the end must be replaced by
login password if you need them.)

#!/bin/sh
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext mygprs_address x x

To disconnect, just use (after chmod +x )

#!/bin/sh
#gprsoff
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.DeactivateContext



2009/3/16 Pander 

> Hi all,
>
> Many information is available on GPRS but the things I've tested scripts
> from the Wiki were probably outdated, or I used them wrongly because I
> was/am in the woods on debugging or tracing GPRS software. So, ...
>
> How can one configure GPRS on SHR (latest testing). I'm willing to make
> good and tested documentation for the Wiki if someone can tell me how to
> get started and what to do exactly plus describing how to test each step.
>
> Also, what will happen if you have network via usb, wifi and GPRS at the
> same time? Will SHR be able to cope with all that or do you as a user
> should avoid such a situation for now? In which order will the network
> connection be selected?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pander
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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[kimaidou]

Hi all

Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his
email :
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp
/usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card

I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS
solutions ! Thanks to the developpers !

Kimaidou
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Re: Debian package for pythm Was: [debian] Packaging python apps, f.e. pythm...

[Davide Scaini]

I believe that's a nice idea to converge our efforts in having something
really usable/complete soon.
IMHO the path "open repo"->improvement of packs->pkg-fso should be efficace.
d

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Marcel  wrote:

> Am Monday 16 March 2009 16:51:24 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors:
> > Marcel  writes:
> > > (pkg-fso for example). To achieve this the requirements to get into
> > > pkg-fso shouldn't be too demanding imho.
> >
> > I thought pkg-fso was a temporary repository for packages that are
> > aiming to enter debian. I would be surprised if I got some low-quality
> > stuff from there.
> >
> > > An open repository like opkg.org but accessible directly from apt
> would
> > > be ideal.
> >
> > I'm afraid that'd have very low quality :-(
>
> Package quality is an issue indeed, but I'd prefer an "open repository"
> (does
> that term already exist?) over packages spread all over the web even if
> quality suffers from that. One could improve packages later on and then
> include them into pkg-fso/debian.
> If people get to know their future favourite software by finding it on
> $repo
> and then go and improve the package so that it can be included in debian,
> that would be the way I'd go... (Which implies people knowing that $repo
> isn't the final place to go.)
>
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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Joseph Reeves]

Juan Lucas could answer this better than I can, but Jamvm was chosen
as our current favourite java implementation. Of course, you can
always install any java you'd like and change /usr/bin/gvsig to run
java -Xmx40M -cp /u... rather than jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /u...

It works with cacao, for example, just fine; it is noticeably slower,
however, and is far from perfect. I don't know if this would help the
SHR folks - testers would be appreciated :)

Cheers, Joseph



2009/3/16 Al Johnson :
> All (except possibly jamvm?) are in fso-testing, or were on Friday. I don't
> know why it depends on jamvm rather than a list of alternative java providers.
>
> On Monday 16 March 2009, Yorick Moko wrote:
>> error on shr-testing:
>> r...@om-gta02 ~/.mokometeo $ opkg install jamvm libswt3.4-gtk-java
>> classpath-gtk classpath-awt gpsd
>> http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
>> Downloading http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
>> Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
>> Package fso-gpsd is already installed in root.
>> Installing gvsigmobile (0.1) to root...
>> Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
>> Collected errors:
>>  * Cannot find package jamvm.
>>  * Cannot find package libswt3.4-gtk-java.
>>  * Cannot find package classpath-gtk.
>>  * Cannot find package classpath-awt.
>>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gvsigmobile:
>>          *  jamvm *  libswt3.4-gtk-java *  classpath-gtk *  classpath-awt *
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > Dear list,
>> > there is now an unofficial version of gvSIG Mobile for Openmoko:
>> > http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html
>> > http://planet.osgeo.org/
>> > Regards,
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Re: Script using dbus-send - not very reliable

[Leonti Bielski]

Yeap, I'm using ophonekitd thing.

But this is not strictly about requesting resources. Another example -
script to turn gprs on.
It works with mdbus for the first time. With dbus-send I have to run it twice.

Leonti

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Al Johnson
 wrote:
> On Monday 16 March 2009, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
>> Leonti Bielski  writes:
>> > The problem is that it does not work first time. I have to run the
>>
>> "Does not work"? I don't think you can request resources with
>> dbus-send. The moment you exit() it will release the resource.
>
> That's true of ousaged, but ophonekitd is providing a script-friendly
> intermediary with a similar syntax.
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Re: Debian package for pythm Was: [debian] Packaging python apps, f.e. pythm...

[Marcel]

Am Monday 16 March 2009 16:51:24 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors:
> Marcel  writes:
> > (pkg-fso for example). To achieve this the requirements to get into
> > pkg-fso shouldn't be too demanding imho.
>
> I thought pkg-fso was a temporary repository for packages that are
> aiming to enter debian. I would be surprised if I got some low-quality
> stuff from there.
>
> > An open repository like opkg.org but accessible directly from apt would
> > be ideal.
>
> I'm afraid that'd have very low quality :-(

Package quality is an issue indeed, but I'd prefer an "open repository" (does 
that term already exist?) over packages spread all over the web even if 
quality suffers from that. One could improve packages later on and then 
include them into pkg-fso/debian.
If people get to know their future favourite software by finding it on $repo 
and then go and improve the package so that it can be included in debian, 
that would be the way I'd go... (Which implies people knowing that $repo 
isn't the final place to go.)

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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Francesco de Virgilio]

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Joseph Reeves ha scritto:
>> On SHR-testing it works for me:
> 
> Great to hear :)

Yeah :)

>> After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try
>> "gvsig" from terminal, it answers me "not found".
> 
> The icon should appear, but seemingly doesn't :( restart your xserver
> and you will see the lovely gvSIG icon. Rebooting the phone does the
> same.

After restarting xserver, it appears :)

> After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try
> "gvsig" from terminal, it answers me "not found".
> 
> I don't know why it's not found if the file gvsig exists in /usr/bin -
> it works fine in OM2008.X - does SHR do something differently?

I don't know.

Another question: I'm trying to load a shp file of an archaeological
site. Which is the recommended dimension for shp + shx + dbf files? With
a sum of 7 Mb it seems a bit slow :)

> 
> Thanks for the feedback,

Thanks for the app :D

> Joseph
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Re: Script using dbus-send - not very reliable

[Al Johnson]

On Monday 16 March 2009, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Leonti Bielski  writes:
> > The problem is that it does not work first time. I have to run the
>
> "Does not work"? I don't think you can request resources with
> dbus-send. The moment you exit() it will release the resource.

That's true of ousaged, but ophonekitd is providing a script-friendly 
intermediary with a similar syntax.

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Re: Debian package for pythm Was: [debian] Packaging python apps, f.e. pythm...

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Marcel  writes:
> (pkg-fso for example). To achieve this the requirements to get into pkg-fso 
> shouldn't be too demanding imho.

I thought pkg-fso was a temporary repository for packages that are
aiming to enter debian. I would be surprised if I got some low-quality
stuff from there.

> An open repository like opkg.org but accessible directly from apt would be 
> ideal.

I'm afraid that'd have very low quality :-(


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Re: Debian package for pythm Was: [debian] Packaging python apps, f.e. pythm...

[Marcel]

Am Monday 16 March 2009 03:35:40 schrieb Yaroslav Halchenko:
> n.b. I will see if I can get this package into pkg-fso repository so
> there would be no need to add yet another source if you want to track
> mine

This would be nice since I think it's not useful to spread packages over 
hundreds of tiny repositories instead of collecting all of them in one big 
(pkg-fso for example). To achieve this the requirements to get into pkg-fso 
shouldn't be too demanding imho.
An open repository like opkg.org but accessible directly from apt would be 
ideal.

Thoughts?

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Re: Script using dbus-send - not very reliable

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Leonti Bielski  writes:
> The problem is that it does not work first time. I have to run the

"Does not work"? I don't think you can request resources with
dbus-send. The moment you exit() it will release the resource.

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Al Johnson]

On Monday 16 March 2009, Dale Maggee wrote:
> Johny Tenfinger wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 15:06, Dale Maggee  
wrote:
> >> Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out.
> >
> > Yes, it's standard Illume keyboard. SHR is using that ;)
>
> aah, excellent - that keyboard works quite well once you force it to
> always use the terminal keyboard, as Bill suggested earlier in this thread.

The 'corrective' part also works really well once you know how it works, and 
the more you use it the better it gets because it picks up your words and 
their usage frequency. It always offers exactly what you entered too. It's not 
perfect, but it's better than anything else I've used onscreen for ordinary 
text.

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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Joseph Reeves]

> On SHR-testing it works for me:

Great to hear :)

> After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try
> "gvsig" from terminal, it answers me "not found".

The icon should appear, but seemingly doesn't :( restart your xserver
and you will see the lovely gvSIG icon. Rebooting the phone does the
same.


After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try
"gvsig" from terminal, it answers me "not found".

I don't know why it's not found if the file gvsig exists in /usr/bin -
it works fine in OM2008.X - does SHR do something differently?

Thanks for the feedback,

Joseph



2009/3/16 Francesco de Virgilio :
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> Yorick Moko ha scritto:
>> error on shr-testing:
>> r...@om-gta02 ~/.mokometeo $ opkg install jamvm libswt3.4-gtk-java
>> classpath-gtk classpath-awt gpsd
>> http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
>> Downloading http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
>> Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
>> Package fso-gpsd is already installed in root.
>> Installing gvsigmobile (0.1) to root...
>> Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
>> Collected errors:
>>  * Cannot find package jamvm.
>>  * Cannot find package libswt3.4-gtk-java.
>>  * Cannot find package classpath-gtk.
>>  * Cannot find package classpath-awt.
>>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gvsigmobile:
>>          *  jamvm *  libswt3.4-gtk-java *  classpath-gtk *  classpath-awt *
>>
>
> On SHR-testing it works for me:
>
> opkg --force-depends install
> http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
>
> After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try
> "gvsig" from terminal, it answers me "not found".
>
> I've started it with the followin command (on one line):
>
> jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
> es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card
>
> I've found it in /usr/bin/gvsig.
>
> I want to give my public appreciation and thanks to GvSig mobile
> developer(s) and to Oxford Archaeologic for bringing us such beautiful
> app. I'm testing it on my shapefiles of Italian archaeologic sites (near
> Bari, to be precise).
>
> Thanks again :D
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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Yorick Moko]

forgot to read the jalimo-stuff, sorry

I added the repos
installed it

got the error:
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ DISPLAY=:0 gvsig
/usr/bin/gvsig: line 2: /etc/init.d/gpsd: No such file or directory
Exception occurred while VM initialising.
java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class

so I made a symlink
but then i still get:
r...@om-gta02 /etc/init.d $ DISPLAY=:0 gvsig
Stopping freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: stopped process
in pidfile '/var/run/fso-gpsd.pid' (pid 1442)
(done)
Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: (ok)
Exception occurred while VM initialising.
java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class


y

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Yorick Moko  wrote:
> error on shr-testing:
> r...@om-gta02 ~/.mokometeo $ opkg install jamvm libswt3.4-gtk-java
> classpath-gtk classpath-awt gpsd
> http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
> Downloading http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
> Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
> Package fso-gpsd is already installed in root.
> Installing gvsigmobile (0.1) to root...
> Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
> Collected errors:
>  * Cannot find package jamvm.
>  * Cannot find package libswt3.4-gtk-java.
>  * Cannot find package classpath-gtk.
>  * Cannot find package classpath-awt.
>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gvsigmobile:
>         *  jamvm *  libswt3.4-gtk-java *  classpath-gtk *  classpath-awt *
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
>  wrote:
>> Dear list,
>> there is now an unofficial version of gvSIG Mobile for Openmoko:
>> http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html
>> http://planet.osgeo.org/
>> Regards,
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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Francesco de Virgilio]

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Yorick Moko ha scritto:
> error on shr-testing:
> r...@om-gta02 ~/.mokometeo $ opkg install jamvm libswt3.4-gtk-java
> classpath-gtk classpath-awt gpsd
> http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
> Downloading http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
> Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
> Package fso-gpsd is already installed in root.
> Installing gvsigmobile (0.1) to root...
> Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
> Collected errors:
>  * Cannot find package jamvm.
>  * Cannot find package libswt3.4-gtk-java.
>  * Cannot find package classpath-gtk.
>  * Cannot find package classpath-awt.
>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gvsigmobile:
>  *  jamvm *  libswt3.4-gtk-java *  classpath-gtk *  classpath-awt *
> 

On SHR-testing it works for me:

opkg --force-depends install
http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk

After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try
"gvsig" from terminal, it answers me "not found".

I've started it with the followin command (on one line):

jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar
es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card

I've found it in /usr/bin/gvsig.

I want to give my public appreciation and thanks to GvSig mobile
developer(s) and to Oxford Archaeologic for bringing us such beautiful
app. I'm testing it on my shapefiles of Italian archaeologic sites (near
Bari, to be precise).

Thanks again :D
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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Al Johnson]

All (except possibly jamvm?) are in fso-testing, or were on Friday. I don't 
know why it depends on jamvm rather than a list of alternative java providers.

On Monday 16 March 2009, Yorick Moko wrote:
> error on shr-testing:
> r...@om-gta02 ~/.mokometeo $ opkg install jamvm libswt3.4-gtk-java
> classpath-gtk classpath-awt gpsd
> http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
> Downloading http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
> Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
> Package fso-gpsd is already installed in root.
> Installing gvsigmobile (0.1) to root...
> Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
> Collected errors:
>  * Cannot find package jamvm.
>  * Cannot find package libswt3.4-gtk-java.
>  * Cannot find package classpath-gtk.
>  * Cannot find package classpath-awt.
>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gvsigmobile:
>  *  jamvm *  libswt3.4-gtk-java *  classpath-gtk *  classpath-awt *
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
>
>  wrote:
> > Dear list,
> > there is now an unofficial version of gvSIG Mobile for Openmoko:
> > http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html
> > http://planet.osgeo.org/
> > Regards,
> > Juan Lucas
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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Joseph Reeves]

We seem to have some issues with SHR, but it should install at least
(I've been told that it does, although haven't tried myself).

Have you added the Jalimo repos to your phone?

https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Packages#OpenMoko

If you did, I'm sure you also ran opkg update, but it's best just to check.

Cheers, Joseph



2009/3/16 Yorick Moko :
> error on shr-testing:
> r...@om-gta02 ~/.mokometeo $ opkg install jamvm libswt3.4-gtk-java
> classpath-gtk classpath-awt gpsd
> http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
> Downloading http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
> Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
> Package fso-gpsd is already installed in root.
> Installing gvsigmobile (0.1) to root...
> Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
> Collected errors:
>  * Cannot find package jamvm.
>  * Cannot find package libswt3.4-gtk-java.
>  * Cannot find package classpath-gtk.
>  * Cannot find package classpath-awt.
>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gvsigmobile:
>         *  jamvm *  libswt3.4-gtk-java *  classpath-gtk *  classpath-awt *
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
>  wrote:
>> Dear list,
>> there is now an unofficial version of gvSIG Mobile for Openmoko:
>> http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html
>> http://planet.osgeo.org/
>> Regards,
>> Juan Lucas
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Dale Maggee wrote:

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>
> Johny Tenfinger wrote:
> > FSO has had PIM (opimd) since milestone5 (but disabled by default).
> > SHR will use it in nearly future.
>
> O RLY?!?
>
> :D
>
> Awesome! So there's progress being made on that front at least, that's
> great to hear! SHR is sounding more and more like it's worth checking out!
>
> And the developers actually read emails in their entirety! ;)
>
> Any Idea how soon "near future" might be? (I know, it's probably hard to
> answer, but even a rough guess would be great... days? weeks? months?).
>
> Thanks for chipping in! This thread has now actually provided me with
> some useful info!
>
> :)
>
> - -Dale
>

hehe :-)
But anyway, SHR will use it in the near future, but so far, I haven't seen
any commits in the git concerning this part. As long as pim is not in shr,
I'll be sticking with qtextended ... Paroli also uses pim, but it disables
everything else on the phone (you can just do the phone stuff, not reading
docs, playing games, etc ...) So my top 3 distro list goes:

1) QtExtended, for fast response time and pim. Would be nice to see a good
gps app integrated though, and a webbrowser that works :-)
2) SHR (but since there's no pim ...)
3) Paroli (if nothing else is there, I need the pim ...), and paroli is not
yet ready for production use.


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Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Yorick Moko]

error on shr-testing:
r...@om-gta02 ~/.mokometeo $ opkg install jamvm libswt3.4-gtk-java
classpath-gtk classpath-awt gpsd
http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
Downloading http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk
Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
Package fso-gpsd is already installed in root.
Installing gvsigmobile (0.1) to root...
Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
Collected errors:
 * Cannot find package jamvm.
 * Cannot find package libswt3.4-gtk-java.
 * Cannot find package classpath-gtk.
 * Cannot find package classpath-awt.
 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gvsigmobile:
 *  jamvm *  libswt3.4-gtk-java *  classpath-gtk *  classpath-awt *


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 wrote:
> Dear list,
> there is now an unofficial version of gvSIG Mobile for Openmoko:
> http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html
> http://planet.osgeo.org/
> Regards,
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Re: Siglaunchd , dbus and scan the content of incomming SMS

[Yorick Moko]

or go to irc and aks it himself (TAsn)

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM, gromez  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:23 PM, kimaidou  wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> I resend my last email about siglaunchd. Could anyone please help me ? The
>> best would be to contact the author directly (Tom Haconen), but I have not
>> found his email.
>> Thanks in advance
>
> Maybe you can find his email here: http://projects.openmoko.org/users/tomha/
> ;-)
>
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Re: qt extended stops receiving sms

[giacomo "giotti" mariani]

> Hi,
>
> I've been having a problem with QT Extended not receiving txt messages.  Any 
> suggestions?  When I restart qtopia they seem to arrive, or if I boot into om 
> 2008.12 they arrive.
>
> Regards
> Glen Ogilvie
I had a similar problem with OM2008.12 installed on the uSD card.
It was caused by file system fragmentation.
If it is the same for you (I mean you use QText from uSD) try fsck.

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[SHR] Howto configure GPRS

[Pander]

Hi all,

Many information is available on GPRS but the things I've tested scripts
from the Wiki were probably outdated, or I used them wrongly because I
was/am in the woods on debugging or tracing GPRS software. So, ...

How can one configure GPRS on SHR (latest testing). I'm willing to make
good and tested documentation for the Wiki if someone can tell me how to
get started and what to do exactly plus describing how to test each step.

Also, what will happen if you have network via usb, wifi and GPRS at the
same time? Will SHR be able to cope with all that or do you as a user
should avoid such a situation for now? In which order will the network
connection be selected?

Thanks,

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Re: [SHR-Testing] Slow response when answering a call

[Helge Hafting]

W.Kenworthy wrote:
> I found this is mainly due to enlightenment using too much cpu - a
> workaround was posted a couple of weeks back.
> 
> copy a desktop file from /usr/share/applications to /tmp, wait a few
> seconds and copy it back.  Yes, I know it is black magic, but ... it
> works!
> 
Not nearly enough, unfortunately.

This gets rid of some enlightenment cpu wasting, so yes - it responds 
somewhat quicker. But while 2-3s beats 8s, it is still not acceptable.

What is so hard about cutting the ringtone in 0.1s or so? The latency 
must go. The pythm music player does much better, so this is clearly 
possible.

The current phone app works, and that is good. But I am happy I don't 
get that many calls a day - the waiting is rather irritating.

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Re: Siglaunchd , dbus and scan the content of incomming SMS

[gromez]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:23 PM, kimaidou  wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I resend my last email about siglaunchd. Could anyone please help me ? The
> best would be to contact the author directly (Tom Haconen), but I have not
> found his email.
> Thanks in advance

Maybe you can find his email here: http://projects.openmoko.org/users/tomha/
;-)

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

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> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 15:06, Dale Maggee  wrote:
>> Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out.
> 
> Yes, it's standard Illume keyboard. SHR is using that ;)

aah, excellent - that keyboard works quite well once you force it to
always use the terminal keyboard, as Bill suggested earlier in this thread.

Yup, 'Trying out SHR' just got added to my list of things to do. :)
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

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Johny Tenfinger wrote:
> FSO has had PIM (opimd) since milestone5 (but disabled by default).
> SHR will use it in nearly future.

O RLY?!?

:D

Awesome! So there's progress being made on that front at least, that's
great to hear! SHR is sounding more and more like it's worth checking out!

And the developers actually read emails in their entirety! ;)

Any Idea how soon "near future" might be? (I know, it's probably hard to
answer, but even a rough guess would be great... days? weeks? months?).

Thanks for chipping in! This thread has now actually provided me with
some useful info!

:)

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Re: Thinking deeply about cofundos.org

[Stefan Monnier]

> As a matter of fact, I'm convinced donations to Free Software, through 
> Foundations, could be one of the best approaches to support FS 
> development, if governments had laws allowing donations to be somehow 
> deductible to taxes. But I have yet to see the FSF, FSFE, ONU, etc, to 
> lobby for this concept.

AFAIK, the FSF is registered "non-profit organization" so that donations
to the FSF are tax-deductible (but that only applies to the US, of
course).


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Re: Siglaunchd , dbus and scan the content of incomming SMS

[kimaidou]

Hi all

I resend my last email about siglaunchd. Could anyone please help me ? The
best would be to contact the author directly (Tom Haconen), but I have not
found his email.
Thanks in advance

Kimaidou

2009/3/12 kimaidou 

> Hi lists,
>
> I am using *siglaunchd* tool ( 1) . It is a great tool. I already set up
> some actions (2) wich improve a lot my openmoko usability (nb: the code is
> in italic in this email)
>
> I need your help to trigger the following actions :
>
> * Do an action when receiving a sms containing e.G "mypasswd". For now, I
> tried
> *#on incomming SMS
> "DISPLAY=:0.0 echo "test" >
> /home/root/Scripts/message.txt"=org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS;org.freesmartphone.ogsmd;/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device;IncomingMessage;
> *
>
> --> It does not react (no file created) + it lacks content reading
>
> * Store each phonenumber for each incomming call (just for testing). For
> now, I can do
> *#on incomming call from 00
> "DISPLAY=:0.0 echo $(date +%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%S) >
> /home/root/Scripts/call.txt"=org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call;org.freesmartphone.ogsmd;/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device;CallStatus;arg[1]=incoming
> *
>
> --> pbm here : I do not know how to put the phone number in my "echo"
> command.
>
> * Change profile from "default" to "silent" when the phone is for example
> face down on a table
> --> anyway to do this with dbus ?
>
> Well, I think this capacity of dbus is a huge space to conquer (for me). We
> are only limited by our imagination :D  Openmoko is great !
> Anyway, thanks in advance
>
> Kimaidou
>
> (1) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Siglaunchd
>
> (2) Here is my /home/root/.siglaunchd.conf  (Caution, I am running SHR,
> last testing )
>
> *#AUX moyen --> dialer
> "DISPLAY=:0.0
> /usr/bin/openmoko-dialer"=org.freesmartphone.Device.Input;org.freesmartphone.oeventsd;/org/freesmartphone/Device/Input;Event;arg[0]=AUX,arg[1]=released,arg[2]>0,
> arg[2]<2
>
> #AUX long --> terminal
> "DISPLAY=:0.0
> /usr/bin/vala-terminal"=org.freesmartphone.Device.Input;org.freesmartphone.oeventsd;/org/freesmartphone/Device/Input;Event;arg[0]=AUX,arg[1]=released,arg[2]>1
>
> #POWER moyen --> shortom
> "DISPLAY=:0.0 PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/shortom
> shortom-bin"=org.freesmartphone.Device.Input;org.freesmartphone.oeventsd;/org/freesmartphone/Device/Input;Event;arg[0]=POWER,
> arg[1]=released, arg[2]>0, arg[2]<2
>
> #POWER long --> shr-settings
> "DISPLAY=:0.0
> /usr/bin/shr-settings"=org.freesmartphone.Device.Input;org.freesmartphone.oeventsd;/org/freesmartphone/Device/Input;Event;arg[0]=POWER,
> arg[1]=released, arg[2]>1*
>
>
>
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Script using dbus-send - not very reliable

[Leonti Bielski]

Hi!
I was using mdbus to request CPU and Display resources but it's too slow.
So I decided to use dbus-send since it's very quick.
Here my script:

#!/bin/sh
dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage
/org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.RequestResource
string:CPU

It's also on:
http://pastebin.com/m3563e31c

The problem is that it does not work first time. I have to run the
script twice to make it work.
Same goes to other scripts that I modified from mdbus to dbus-send.

Any ideas?

Leonti

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 15:06, Dale Maggee  wrote:
> Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out.

Yes, it's standard Illume keyboard. SHR is using that ;)

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gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

Dear list,

there is now an unofficial version of gvSIG Mobile for Openmoko:

http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html
http://planet.osgeo.org/

Regards,
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Re: errors using mdbus commands

[Al Johnson]

On Saturday 14 March 2009, Steve " 'dillo" Okay wrote:
> I'm having some problems with getting dbus GSM commands working from
> the command-line:
>
> r...@om-gta02: # mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/
> freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device
> .GetInfo
> /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: GetInfo failed:
> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply
>
> r...@om-gta02: # mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/
> freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.Ge
> tNetworkStatus
> /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: GetNetworkStatus failed:
> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply
> r...@om-gta02: #
>
> I'm running FSO 5:
> root§om-gta02:ß# uname -a
> Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc2 #1 PREEMPT Wed Feb 25 16:01:57 CET 2009
> armv4tl unknown
> root§om-gta02:ß#
>
>  From reading the mailing list archives and the Wiki, it's not
> entirely clear to me if this is an invocation error on my part or an
> actual bug.
> Do I have to allocate the GSM resource via org.freesmartphone.ousaged
> first ?
> It seems like I should be able to do a GSM.Device.GetInfo from the
> command-line based on what I've read so far.
> Have any of the object pathnames changed between FSO 3 and 5 ? The
> examples on the Wiki say they're for FSO 3.

You can check http://docs.freesmartphone.org for the latest documentation as 
things do change from time to time. You can also use mdbus with fewer 
arguments to see what's available, the simplest being:
mdbus -s

The GSM resource does need to be active and the antenna power enabled for most 
GSM calls to work, but IIRC calls fail with a reasonably informative return 
code rather than a timeout if it isn't there. I have on occasion managed to 
get (bits of?) frameworkd to stop responding until I restart it, but never 
worked out how to do it repeatably. 

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

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Johny Tenfinger wrote:
> I don't know what would you say, if I'll tell you that I'm programming
> on FreeRunner using qwerty keyboard and only with finger (for instance
> in train - PM module in shr-settings is from train and was written
> only with finger) ;)
> 

Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out.

Programming on FR with finger only = Impressive!
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Re: deleting characters on raster's keyboard

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 14:53, Al Johnson  wrote:
> Possibly - it generally works for me, but I have a long history with resistive
> touchscreens. You need to keep enough pressure for it to be a continuous swipe
> rather than 2 or more events. The default layout has enough dead space at the
> sides to start the stroke in, which may help. Alternatively you could add a
> backspace key to the layout as there is in the terminal keyboard.

I don't have history with touchscreens, but it's working to me too.
It's only about keeping enough pressure.

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 07:28, Dale Maggee  wrote:
> I haven't tried SHR yet, can't be bothered with the bullshit involved
> with backing up your phone, importing contacts, etc. Plus IIUC SHR is
> based on FSO, which still doesn't have any PIM except for contacts
> stored on the sim, and for me PIM is important.

FSO has had PIM (opimd) since milestone5 (but disabled by default).
SHR will use it in nearly future.

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Johny Tenfinger]

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>
> That's *really* funny!

I don't know what would you say, if I'll tell you that I'm programming
on FreeRunner using qwerty keyboard and only with finger (for instance
in train - PM module in shr-settings is from train and was written
only with finger) ;)

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Re: deleting characters on raster's keyboard

[Al Johnson]

On Sunday 15 March 2009, Robin Paulson wrote:
> ever since i've had my freerunner, i've had problems using raster's
> keyboard (the one with dictionary lookup).
> the biggest issues are the swipes for space and backspace - each time
> i try to do either of them, i generally unintentionally press a
> letter. deleting one character usually becomes very frustrating,
> selecting then trying to delete unwanted letters.
>
> i assume i'm doing something wrong - is there a technique for doing
> this well? it's intensely frustrating to use

Possibly - it generally works for me, but I have a long history with resistive 
touchscreens. You need to keep enough pressure for it to be a continuous swipe 
rather than 2 or more events. The default layout has enough dead space at the 
sides to start the stroke in, which may help. Alternatively you could add a 
backspace key to the layout as there is in the terminal keyboard.


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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Devendra Gera]

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:

> BTW. I use mutt ... is there a spell checker? Never bothered looking :)

I use mutt as well, and have it configured to use vim as the editor,
where you can have spell checking (and a ton of other features).

[please let's not start a Emacs/Vim flamewar :)]

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Lorn Potter  wrote:

>
> > Unfortunately, however, as is your usual, you've not really answered
> > my
> > question: I was interested in bringing up the list of input methods,
> > not
> > cycling through them. It should be 2 clicks to change from
> > predictive to
> > qwerty, and 2 to go back. You're advocating 2 clicks to get to the
> > qwerty keyboard, and 7 clicks to get back. How efficient.
>
> The list of input methods was actually depreciated. What you are
> seeing is that someone didn't have the time or inspiration to remove
> that from the neo's theme.
>
>
Hi Lorn,

now this is interesting ... do you know what it should've become then?

Franky
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

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Aah, the fun continues...

> because just perhaps I have an insight in how one is supposed to  
> actually be using it.

I think it's pretty clear at this point that the word "insight" is
completely foreign to you.

Wow, I have to give you credit - you certainly are good at completely
ignoring damning evidence and not answering questions directly put to
you multiple times. Ever considered a career in politics? You'd fit in
really well there!

How Long does it take to type your address on your freerunner, using the
methods described...errr...three(?) emails ago? and now, how long does
it take on your PC?

How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running
QTe? and why did you do that "Many Times", as you claim? seems like
wasted effort to me...

> The list of input methods was actually depreciated. What you are  
> seeing is that someone didn't have the time or inspiration to remove  
> that from the neo's theme.

Translation from asshat to english: "The software is shit. We couldn't
be bothered doing it properly, and our test plans and use cases, which
we value more highly than actual real-world scenarios, are a joke. Oh,
and I'm still going to ignore all your concerns and refuse to answer the
questions you've posed."

> correction: _you_ don't care what the software was designed to do.

Again, you demonstrate your ignorance in a shining example of your
inadequacy as a both a human being and a software developer. It's pretty
obvious from this statement that you've never even bothered to speak
with an end-user. Your "correction" is fundamentally flawed and
incorrect, and my original statement remains valid.

> No, I didn't say that.

You really are a shifty motherfucker, I'll give you that. I just
absolutely love the "oh, that's not what I said", without any
explanation of what you actually *did* say, or addressing the concerns I
raised. Brilliant.

It's getting to be a recurring theme, though, what with you
contradicting yourself in your previous email via the same mechanism.
Maybe next time you should try something different, like... oh, I don't
know... maybe... being honest? Addressing the issues I've raised? I know
that's not "your style", but maybe you could try it, just for something
completely different?

> I can't believe you failed to read the help for the input method.  
> Actually I can.
> In fact, I can even edit those misspellings, but I will leave that as  
> an endeavor for the reader.

So basically what you're saying is that an intuitive interface is
optional, not really desirable because you know how to use it, and
really just too much effort...

> [snip useless drivel]

This "useless drivel" Lorn refers to is me demonstrating that Lorn is
either lying or a complete retard. The fact that he refuses to even
acknowledge this and attempted to trim it from all further
correspondence indicates to me that it's malice, not stupidity.

I'll restore this in the vain hope that perhaps he might address it,
rather than ignore it as he has consistently done all afternoon:

> > No one said to use the little qwerty keyboard with fingers.

I BEG YOUR PARDON?!?!?

Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm:
> >Then you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard.

Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm:
> > You can even use this with big fingers and hit in between letters
> > and it will still work (suggestively) well.

Now, we were discussing the predictive keyboard, and you told me that I
"could easily switch to the qwerty keyboard"... which qwerty keyboard
were you referring to, exactly, if not the little qwerty keyboard? There
are only two: the predictive keyboard and the qwerty keyboard. Unless
you're trying to tell me that there's a difference between 'keyboard'
and 'docked keyboard'.

I call "bullshit".

Lorn, you're either completely full of shit, or you have no idea what
the fuck you're talking about. Due to the old adage "never attribute to
malice that which can be explained by stupidity", I'll give you an
opportunity to publicly apologise and explain exactly what the hell
you're on about...

>> the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING.
> 
> It does.

No, it doesn't. You're either a liar or a fucking retard. I lean towards
"Liar".

If you're a liar, you're *also* a fucking retard - when lying, the
non-retard would come up with a *credible* lie, which you're not even
bothering with... Or is it that you're just not clever enough?

> You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you  
> cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact with  
> this code.

I didn't say "Bad", I said "shit", which is worse than bad.

and, Yeah, I can: Watch me: "You've done a shit job."

Regardless of any contact you may or may not have had with the code, or
your contributions or lack thereof to qtopia, you have done a shit job.

Firstly, where's the QTe release that was coming in December? why such
inadequate communication

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Lorn Potter wrote:

"Nah, I'm not concerned with symantics, I'm all about software
development. If it appears that in every single email I've sent this
afternoon, I have dealt entirely with grammar, spelling, and choice of
words, you're actually imagining it. Yep, that's the result of you
hallucinating - I was actually talking software the whole time, and went
over some really full-on technical issues. It was a productive
afternoon. Anyone accusing me of focusing on the trivialities of the
english language while somebody was attempting to engage me in a
discussion of the software's shortcomings was also hallucinating. I'm
not being evasive, I promise! Would I lie to you (more than 5 times in a
single conversation)?"
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Re: How to record calls

[matthias felsche]

> Nope but you can give it a try via:
>   http://www.freenet.org.nz/python/pySpeex/
>
>   
Well I tried to get this extension compiled, but it did not work since 
you need Pyrex for this. And I somehow didn't get it working after all.
When I have the time I'll increase my C-abilities and try writing 
something using only the native libraries, not these python-wrappers.
But any help preventing me from this step (i.e. compiling this stuff and 
delivering an ipk) would be much more preferred! ;-)

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Re: shr- install zhone

[Al Johnson]

On Sunday 15 March 2009, Fernando Martins wrote:
> Robin Paulson wrote:
> However, while updating I get the error below, of a package missing. I
> don't know how these repositories are organised and I suspect my unstable
> (from January) is consulting an unstable repository for a recent unstable?
>
> Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/opkg/shr-armv4t
> Downloading http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//om-gta02/Packages.gz
> Inflating http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//om-gta02/Packages.gz
> Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/opkg/shr-om-gta02
> Collected errors:
>  * Failed to download
> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4/Packages.gz, error 404

There is no package missing as there is no armv4 entry in the repository. 
There is an armv4 config in /etc/opkg/ which shouldn't be there, and has 
probably been removed in recent images, and it is that that causes the error. 
You can safely ignore it, or just delete the offending entry. Note that armv4t 
is required - one character makes all the difference!

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Re: Thinking deeply about cofundos.org

[Fernando Martins]

David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> Dear colleges users ,
> There are only about 25 distributors but we are are about thousands
> users, our support to those initiative we like is vital for them and
> now we can have the opportunity to request features with more than
> complains :) even an euro to demonstrate interest about a project or
> feature requested will help to make it real quicker than waiting for
> it and you will have the satisfaction to being part of the solution
> instead of only an spectator.
>
> Well... enough words for one post...
>
> I will be glad to receive your comments
>
>   
As a user I am happy to donate to a project (or feature) I'm interested 
to have.

As a matter of fact, I'm convinced donations to Free Software, through 
Foundations, could be one of the best approaches to support FS 
development, if governments had laws allowing donations to be somehow 
deductible to taxes. But I have yet to see the FSF, FSFE, ONU, etc, to 
lobby for this concept.

Regards,
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Re: How to record calls

[Pander]

matthias felsche wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd prefer speex-encoding. If you'd like to record voice, this codec is 
> the most appropriate choice, I think. As I read throughout my search for 
> an alternative to wav-recording, ogg encoding is quite slow. But I 
> haven't tried out the performance of speex-encoding. Any experiences?

Nope but you can give it a try via:
  http://www.freenet.org.nz/python/pySpeex/

> Matthias
> 
> 
> Pander schrieb:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Someone has created a dictaphone application, but is it also possible to
>> record directly from (within) the (SHR=FSO?) dailer?
>>
>> Use cases would be:
>> 1) record received sound only
>> 2) record transmitting sound only (dictaphone)
>> 3) record conversation, both receiving and transmitting sound
>>
>> Would it be viable to add this functionality to dailer, then a
>> dictaphone will be provided by dailer and an external dictaphone
>> application would not be needed or the functionality could be shared.
>>
>> Secondly, what format would be desirable to record into? OGG?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pander
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Re: [SHR] Usage improvements - power

[Al Johnson]

On Sunday 15 March 2009, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> It's way simpler to change the respective oeventsd rule in rules.yaml.

More effective too as it' s persistent.

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Re: How to record calls

[matthias felsche]

Hello,
I'd prefer speex-encoding. If you'd like to record voice, this codec is 
the most appropriate choice, I think. As I read throughout my search for 
an alternative to wav-recording, ogg encoding is quite slow. But I 
haven't tried out the performance of speex-encoding. Any experiences?

Matthias


Pander schrieb:
> Hi all,
>
> Someone has created a dictaphone application, but is it also possible to
> record directly from (within) the (SHR=FSO?) dailer?
>
> Use cases would be:
> 1) record received sound only
> 2) record transmitting sound only (dictaphone)
> 3) record conversation, both receiving and transmitting sound
>
> Would it be viable to add this functionality to dailer, then a
> dictaphone will be provided by dailer and an external dictaphone
> application would not be needed or the functionality could be shared.
>
> Secondly, what format would be desirable to record into? OGG?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pander
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

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Sarton,

A *big* "Thank You" to you for actually bothering to take the time to
read my emails in their entirety!

> I too don't understand why some devs aren't willing to take a completely
> presented and well constructed criticism, and admit that more could be done
> (or redone). I don't think that anyone who has replied has understood that
> prior to the use of colourful language, there was no acceptance of your
> criticism or your opinion. Luckily, this is more a qte thing within the
> OM world. All others have at least attempted to accomodate more useful
> features, or ways of implementing additional features.
> 
> In some ways I'm tempted to think there was or is intent there. But
> that would be their prerogative I suppose, which then comes back to
> what is actually disclosed.

Yeah, it's very strange. In my opinion, there's only really one
explanation: Incompetence. Not necessarily incompetence in software
development, more a general failure at a human level. To be able to do
that, you'd have to not really care about the software you've written.
Personally, I want the guys who wrote all the software I use to put in
the same kind of dedication as I do into my projects - when a user comes
to me with really weird requirements, I see it as a challenge! I
immediately say to myself "How can I accommodate that".

This mentality of "that's not a problem" is ridiculous and as far as I'm
concerned harmful. I've dealt with people who take the "that's not a
problem" approach before, and I've seen their contracts come and go (and
they *do* come and go - invariably they piss off their clients, and
their contracts don't get renewed), and then I often get to redesign
their projects with some sanity and care, and they work much better, and
everyone is happy.

Yeah, it actually occurred to me today to me that Trolltech seem to be
doing their very best to get me to buy a Nokia... Strange, that... ;)

A couple of days ago I was actually thinking Nokia. Now, I'll be getting
a blackberry after today's little debacle, just in case.

In fact, I might just point that out to somebody at Nokia's PR
department: "Congratulations: an employee of one of your subsiduaries
has just ensured that I will never purchase another Nokia, and that I'll
tell all my friends to steer clear of Nokia products from now on."

> Hah! you are my father! hehe ...besides him owning every incantation,
> I think it's actually a telco thing, they like their blackberries.

hahaha... and you know what? I work at a telco... but I don't remember
ever having kids! I deny everything! ;)

> I would buy a blackberry but:
> 1). I couldn't tell my dad ever!
> 2). I'm a gamer and love my toys.
> 
> Actually, 3). I can't help spending money on things that might do more
> than they are suppose to :)
> 
> Some things turn out to do less, or other tasks entirely! ;)

hehe, well in that case, I guess an iphone is probably your best bet. My
major issue with the iphone is their app store crap, and then there's
the non-removable battery. Plus it's Apple. I'm not really into mobile
gaming (I play my games on a 2.5m Projector screen!), so that's not an
issue for me.

although right now I'd choose Apple over Nokia!

> If nothing, I've been having a good ol' chuckle, prolly cause my phone
> is dead, but it is good to see a passionate aussie on an open source
> maillinglist :)

Well I'm glad that *somebody* is reading my mails and actually getting
them - facts, humor, vicious stabs, and all...

Cheers,
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Lorn Potter]

On 16/03/2009, at 6:21 PM, Dale Maggee wrote:

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> Lorn Potter wrote:
>> Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before  
>> anyone
>> on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times.
>
> "Quite actually"??? Quite what? work on your english.
>
> So you've done it, many times... awesome... I note however that you
> didn't actually answer my question: How Long does it take? and now,  
> how
> long does it take on your PC?
>
> How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running
> QTe? and why did you do that "Many Times", as you claim? seems like
> wasted effort to me...
>
> Also, if you'd like to explain why I should CARE IN THE SLIGHTEST that
> you were using it long before anyone else, I'd love to hear it.

because just perhaps I have an insight in how one is supposed to  
actually be using it.


>
>> umm, yes. I can access the menu just fine with my finger.
>> Options -> Change Input Method.
>
> ok, fair enough, so you can do it in 2 clicks, which cycles input
> methods. Neat!
>
> Unfortunately, however, as is your usual, you've not really answered  
> my
> question: I was interested in bringing up the list of input methods,  
> not
> cycling through them. It should be 2 clicks to change from  
> predictive to
> qwerty, and 2 to go back. You're advocating 2 clicks to get to the
> qwerty keyboard, and 7 clicks to get back. How efficient.

The list of input methods was actually depreciated. What you are  
seeing is that someone didn't have the time or inspiration to remove  
that from the neo's theme.


>
>> A use case is usually something that is very often used and  
>> repeatable
>> for any user. Typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is hardly  
>> typical.
>
> So, you're going to squibble over semantics, rather than actually
> discussing the issues at hand? right. Sure sounds like
> you're interested in quality.
>
> In all the work I've ever done, I'd consider a worst-case-scenario  
> to be
> a use case, and very worthy of concern. As far as I'm concerned, if  
> you
> don't agree with that assessment, then that's a good explanation as to
> why your software is shit.
>
>> No, but he will need to add those words to the common dictionary  
>> before
>> they will show up in the list of words. To enter a word in the
>> dictionary - simply press and hold the letters method.
>
> Are you saying that any word I type which isn't in the dictionary is
> automatically added? if this is the case then why is the word 'wot',
> which I use *all the time*, not in my dictionary? Where is
> 'antidisestablishmentarianism', which I typed earlier today?
>
>> There are too many niche scenarios to target, so we targeted common,
>> most used ones.
>
> ...and when someone brings up one you didn't target? Ignore it? stick
> your head in the sand? tell them that they're imagining it? This is a
> really great way to write shit software.
>
> News flash: Users don't care what your software is designed to do, or

correction: _you_ don't care what the software was designed to do.
>

> Right, so you *are* saying that anything I type is added  
> automatically...

No, I didn't say that.

>
> So, you're telling me that if I accidentally misspell
> 'antidisestablishmentarianism', the misspelling will be added to the
> dictionary, and from now on it will *only* suggest the misspelt  
> version,
> meaning that next time I am *forced* to type it letter-by-letter. wow,
> how awesome!
>

I can't believe you failed to read the help for the input method.  
Actually I can.
In fact, I can even edit those misspellings, but I will leave that as  
an endeavor for the reader.

> I think, however, that you're really just digging a big fucking hole  
> for
> yourself, because 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is *NOT* in my
> dictionary, and neither are any of the intentional mis-spellings I've
> typed today (or, in fact, ever, as far as I can see). If I were you,  
> I'd
> steer clear of espousing the virtues of FEATURES THAT DO NOT WORK - it
> just makes you sound even more stupid, really.
>

well, it certainly works for me.

>
[snip useless drivel]

>> I am merely explaining to you the way it works.
>
> No, you're trying to minimise the impact of my concerns, and pretend
> that they're not valid. You're pretending like you haven't written  
> shit
> software when you have. You're acting like a complete retard, posting
> what are either outright lies or uninformed bullshit. Either is
> unacceptable from the developer of a product. You're not even  
> explaining
> the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING.

It does.
>

> You'll note that I never said I could do a better job, only that *you
> have done a shit job*. These are two completely different things...  
> So,
> what's your point?
>

You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you  
cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact wit

Re: date and GPS related questions

[Chris Samuel]

On Monday 16 March 2009, Daniel Willmann wrote:

> I think (not sure) that Qt Extended uses the time(zone) cellbroadcast
> messages which are broadcasted by some operators.

Yeah, I think you're right, the code says:

The TimeUpdate service monitors time and timezone data from sources
such as the modem and updates the system time and timezone accordingly.

I can't find where it actually polls the modem though.

> In Germany for example nobody sends these so the framework looks up the
> country code of the GSM cell we're logged in and changes the timezone
> according to the zone this country belongs to. This is
> problematic/inaccurate/annoying for countries that span different
> timezones like the USA, Russia, Australia

Yup, and don't assume that all TZ's are 1 hour apart, Adelaide is 30 minutes 
different from here.. ;-)

cheers,
Chris
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

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> How can we when you just rant on and on and on?

It's easy: What you do is read the emails, and then address the concerns
 I raised. Things you shouldn't do include: Contradicting yourself,
telling me about the virtues of features that don't work, and playing
word-games with semantics while avoiding the actual issues.

> What I told you was a way to work with the software, as it is. You  
> could have found that out yourself, it you would have read the help to  
> see how it works. It is not that complicated, but you must know how it  
> works to use it correctly. Like driving a car.

Um, no. What you have told me is a) nothing I didn't already know b)
inadequate to address the concerns I raised.


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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Lorn Potter]

On 16/03/2009, at 7:57 PM, Dale Maggee wrote:

>

> seeing using the software. What I am *more* interested in is the
> developer trying to tell me that my problems are not actually  
> problems,
> trying to pretend like his software is infallible and/or it's me at
> fault, when it is clearly and demonstrably the software which is at  
> issue.

There is no 'the' developer. Qtopia was a project that had many  
developers. There were more than 30 developers of qtopia, not  
including the Qt part. Include that, and you near about 80.
I am quite flattered that you think I was a major contributor to  
Qtopia. In reality, I was only a major developer for the Neo device  
configuration.


>
>> that have nearly zero information?
>
> * My emails contain quite a lot of information, much of it highly
> detailed. I'd suggest you read through them in their entirety with
> detachment, rather than allowing their tone to feed your emotions and
> provoke a kneejerk reaction.
>
>> Don't you like the keyboard? Send a patch.

agreed.

>
> * Already addressed in my previous emails, try actually reading them  
> to
> find out what I said about this.

How can we when you just rant on and on and on?

>
>> If you have idea - write it down as short as it can be.
>
> Yep, I did that, and Lorn proceeded to tell me that this "was not a
> valid use case". Which is utter bullshit.

That's fine if you do not like my opinion, but that doesn't make it  
invalid. You need to separate opinions from facts, because you seem to  
be getting them mixed up.


>
>> If the idea's good someone will pick it up.
>
> At least two people have replied agreeing with the issue, but not the
> developer of the software. If you'd read my emails properly you'd most
> likely also agree.
>
>> Otherwise please stop spamming this list with this offensive  
>> nonsence.
>
> 1. I'll stop when Lorn acknowledges that his software is not perfect,
> and apologises to me for effectively trying to tell me that the  
> issues I
> and others have with the software do not matter, or are imaginary.
>

For one, it isn't MY software, and I never said it didn't have issues.

I have no reason to apologize. Show me where I stated your issues do  
not matter, or were imaginary?

What I told you was a way to work with the software, as it is. You  
could have found that out yourself, it you would have read the help to  
see how it works. It is not that complicated, but you must know how it  
works to use it correctly. Like driving a car.




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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[roguemoko]

I had to chime in one more time.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 08:40:03PM +1000, Lorn Potter wrote:
> On 16/03/2009, at 6:38 PM, Dale Maggee wrote:
> [snip BS]

Dale may have been direct in his oppinion of you but he included
everything you deemed constructive.

> > PREDICTION: Lorn won't reply cuz I pwned him so hard he has to go to
> > perth to look for his dignity.
> 
> I think your spell checker is failing, because you use nonsensical  
> words and misspellings.

But the correct answer is:

Dale, there _are_ concerns with the input method, they could definitely
be better, but I'm not the one who will address your concerns (and
nobody ever will?).

Thank you for using QTE.


BTW. I use mutt ... is there a spell checker? Never bothered looking :)

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Re: How to record calls

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:43:25AM +0100, Richard Kralovic wrote:
> >   I was under the impression that audio for calls bypasses the CPU and 
> > operating system entirely, going straight from the sound chip to the GSM 
> > chip; if this is the case then such a recording wouldn't be possible.
> 
> That's true, but it should be possible to configure alsa mixer settings
> in such a way that the GSM audio is routed both to the speaker and to
> the ADC converter of the soundcard. It shouldn't be too hard, I guess
> you just need to study the mixer settings a bit:
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem
> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/ALSA/doc/WM8753_control_diag.pdf

And prevent suspend! On longer calls my openmoko suspends during the
call. The call continues, of course, but the first time it happened I
was pretty freaked out! :)

Rui

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[roguemoko]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 07:27:57PM +1100, Dale Maggee wrote:
> > boot again, it been drying for a day, I'll leave it for a week and see 
> > what happens. If it fails to boot, I'm buying an iphone.
> 
> Thanks for your support. It is clearly completely unacceptable to
> sidestep the issues and focus on semantics. burying your head in the
> sand doesn't make problems go away.

It's funny but I think I'm one of few people who will actually get out of
your mails what you are trying to get across, though you are clearly at
the end of a major bout of frustration, which I can't blame you for :)
You actually remind me of my father, that kind of wit and intellect
makes him a rather good businessman (and very high paid one at a very
large telco).

I too don't understand why some devs aren't willing to take a completely
presented and well constructed criticism, and admit that more could be done
(or redone). I don't think that anyone who has replied has understood that
prior to the use of colourful language, there was no acceptance of your
criticism or your opinion. Luckily, this is more a qte thing within the
OM world. All others have at least attempted to accomodate more useful
features, or ways of implementing additional features.

In some ways I'm tempted to think there was or is intent there. But
that would be their prerogative I suppose, which then comes back to
what is actually disclosed.

> That's bad news on the FR, although personally I wouldn't be too upset -
> you'll now be able to get a real, usable phone. And Personally I'd
> recommend blackberry's products over an iphone.

Hah! you are my father! hehe ...besides him owning every incantation,
I think it's actually a telco thing, they like their blackberries.

And I wasn't upset, funnily enough, it wasn't like actually losing a
phone, with the whole 5 contacts I bothered to store from the last flash.

I would buy a blackberry but:
1). I couldn't tell my dad ever!
2). I'm a gamer and love my toys.

Actually, 3). I can't help spending money on things that might do more
than they are suppose to :)

Some things turn out to do less, or other tasks entirely! ;)

> > If you think he is wrong, it takes a simple email to
> > ask the people and gain a consensus.
> 
> Exactly. but we all know this isn't going to happen - how idiotic would
> you feel when the public survey agrees 98% to 2% that your input methods
> are absolute shit, especially after you've spent an afternoon defending
> your retarded position?

If nothing, I've been having a good ol' chuckle, prolly cause my phone
is dead, but it is good to see a passionate aussie on an open source
maillinglist :)

Doubt I'll be posting again on this list any time soon 
(but fingers crossed and hopefully I'm still welcome hehe).

Take it easy mate.

Sarton

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Re: How to record calls

[Richard Kralovic]

>   I was under the impression that audio for calls bypasses the CPU and 
> operating system entirely, going straight from the sound chip to the GSM 
> chip; if this is the case then such a recording wouldn't be possible.

That's true, but it should be possible to configure alsa mixer settings
in such a way that the GSM audio is routed both to the speaker and to
the ADC converter of the soundcard. It shouldn't be too hard, I guess
you just need to study the mixer settings a bit:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem
http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/ALSA/doc/WM8753_control_diag.pdf

Greets
Richard

> 
> Cheers,
>   Mike.
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Lorn Potter]

On 16/03/2009, at 6:38 PM, Dale Maggee wrote:

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> Dale Maggee wrote:
>
>
[snip BS]

>
> PREDICTION: Lorn won't reply cuz I pwned him so hard he has to go to
> perth to look for his dignity.

I think your spell checker is failing, because you use nonsensical  
words and misspellings.


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Re: How to record calls

[Michael Sheldon]

Pander wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Someone has created a dictaphone application, but is it also possible to
> record directly from (within) the (SHR=FSO?) dailer?

  I was under the impression that audio for calls bypasses the CPU and 
operating system entirely, going straight from the sound chip to the GSM 
chip; if this is the case then such a recording wouldn't be possible.

Cheers,
  Mike.

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