Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7
Huh? This never happened to me before, and I make calls of 16 minutes and so. This needs investigating, but believe me: I'm not the most knowledgeable guy on qtextended :-) What exact version of kernel/rootfs/extra modules/phone do you have? Also: enable the power logging and mail that output to the list. Btw: I don't seem able to change anything related to "Call Forwarding" or "Call Waiting", this is probably another bug in the qtextended code that needs to be tracked down. Franky On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: > > Franky, > I've just installed your version of QtE and everything works very well > with one major exception, > the phone suspends while on calls! I'm using the rootfs from april 4th > (recommended in your script) > this is very, very bad! > Tom > > Franky Van Liedekerke escribió: > > On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:20:50 +0200 > > Sound Freedom wrote: > > > > > >>> - 20090415: "missed calls bug finally solved, it took some code > >>> rewriting I found in the qtopia version Om2008.12 (thanks Holger!) > >>> > >> Is it resolve this problem ? : > >> When the phone is in supsend mode, when somebody call me, the phone > >> doesn't do anything. But when I wake the phone, it's ringing 3 time > >> for a call from unknown person. Then the real call is lost. > >> I don't know if it do the same with a sms. > >> > >> > > > > This is kernel related probably ... what kernel+rootfs are you using? > > > > Franky > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: opkg - question
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: > opkg install http://mypage.org/package.0.2.ipk > > And the package that gets installed is package.0.3.ipk !! > Is this normal? I cannot have package.0.2.ipk installed? how? I'd guess that's the normal behavior: it always installs the latest package available. I'd guess you can --force-something to make sure the version 0.2 is installed, if you really want it. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
> I wrote a small > dialer in python gtk and use normal applications from debian > (gpe-calendar, xvkbd keyboard, midori/firefox/arora/elinks browsers, > xchat, icewm window manager). This has give me a pretty stable "no > surprises around corners" environment with lots of applications and > let me to concentrate on helping kernel, Xorg and ogsmd development. Is your environment finger-friendly? Btw, I all WMs I've tried until now, either try to resize any window to become full-screen, or just keep windows size as is (so part os out of screen). Both ways make parts of windows inaccessible. Especially configuration dialogs. Tried E17 configuration dialogs (with font/scale set to something visible without a microscope), especially in "more options" mode? Why not just add scroolbars (in the WM frame I mean)? Especially for configuration dialogs. So if an app was not originally written for small screen, it could still be possible to reach everything in it's window. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems building fso-paroli
On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 21:40 -0400, Stephen LePage wrote: > > >Branch: org.openembedded.dev >Machine: om-gta02 >Distro:openmoko > > branch needs to be fso/milestone5 or fso/milestone5.5 > Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems building fso-paroli
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Angus Ainslie wrote: > On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 17:06 -0700, arg0 wrote: > > When i attempt the build, it errors out with: > > > > NOTE: Checking Package: libmikmod > > ERROR: QA Issue: No GNU_HASH in the elf binary: > '/home/oe/base/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libmikmod-3.2.0-beta2-r0/install/libmikmod/usr/lib/libmikmod.so.3.0.0' > > > > ... > > > > NOTE: Checking Package: libmikmod-locale > > ERROR: QA run found fatal errors. Please consider fixing them. > > ERROR: Error in executing: /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/ > libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb > > ERROR: Exception: Message:1 > > ERROR: Printing the environment of the function > > ERROR: Error in executing: /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/ > libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb > > ERROR: Exception: Message:1 > > ERROR: Printing the environment of the function > > ERROR: Error in executing: /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/ > libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb > > ERROR: Exception: Message:1 > > ERROR: Printing the environment of the function > > ERROR: Error in executing: /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/ > libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb > > ERROR: Exception: Message:1 > > ERROR: Printing the environment of the function > > ERROR: Build of /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/ > libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb do_package failed > > ERROR: Task 916 (/home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/ > libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb, do_package) failed > > NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 1956 tasks of which 1600 didn't need to be > rerun and 1 failed. > > ERROR: '/home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/ > libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb' failed > > > > any ideas/suggestions? > > >What branch are you building ? > > >What machine are you building ? > > >What distro are you building ? > > >Angus > Branch: org.openembedded.dev Machine: om-gta02 Distro:openmoko > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Stephen LePage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 14:05 +0200, Marcel wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 15:04:27 schrieb Esben Stien: > > Miguel Ángel Calderón writes: > > > * sunlight readable LCD > > > > Definitely. This doesn't affect anything, right, other than being more > > readable..?!?. I would also like the screen window to be scratch free. > > > > > * bigger LCD 3,5"+ > > > > You don't think it would be a little too big Neo, if the current one > > is 2 point something?. > > > > > * new ruggedized case or rubber shell > > > > I'm all for a steel case, military field use style;). Remember to make > > small holes to be able to mount the back to a series of adapters, like > > mic stand, DIN mount and a magnet container. > > Where you would have to consider (as it has been said multiple times afaik) > making some plastic parts to let GSM/GPS signals get into the faraday cage... > (Hoping that's the correct name) > > > > * waterproof (substaintially more costs) > > > > IP67 is how I roll. > Any kind of super tough case + general purpose mounting system to insert the FR into will have disadvantages in size and mounting problems (case + mount = tall if mounted on bike handlebars) For bike use, someything like this may be better: http://wdk.dyndns.org/freerunner/p1000129.jpg This is the test version - did 2 rides and have not been able to since due to arthritis problems. Just needs a flip up perspex across the top to make it water resistant unless you ride underwater(!) The black bands attaching it are plastic tie straps - the one across the FR stops it falling out. The hole on the right "ear" is for the stylus. What needs to be done: reset stylus hole so tip does not protrude so much - could be like a little knife in a crash - the rest hangs out the bottom close to the frame so it out of the way so you don't need it accessible from the top Drill finger sized hole in bottom of FR recess to make it easier to remove. route a groove for a neoprene oring around the FR and fit a glare resistent perspex top (does such a thing exist?) with a clip. paint and make it pretty - as a first attempt its quite good, just needs minor mods the make it look professional. Got the idea from meeting a Danish bike enthusiast visting Perth for a conference who had a map board attached to his handlebars with clips for a big pile of paper maps - that looked even messier! Could modify it to take a charger cable for long life pack, but my rides (if I'll ever be able to again :( are usually between 1 and 2 hours - running GSM and GPS gave around 4 hours (earlier shr-testing). Downside: glare affects are there, but not really problem, its almost always readable, plus by leaning forward, my shadow helps - and this is in Australian sunshine in summer. I actually think an improved screen (brighter?) wont add much? - its actually too bright (shr-stable) in low light conditions - and at night it lights up me while I am riding and affecting my forward vision. withou a gps antenna, it gives a slightly poorer HDOP between when moving and the bike is stationary (I am not on it) as my body mass is affecting it. It is still better though than having it in a leather case mounted on a belt about my waist even when that is on back so has almost a full view of the sky - probably body movement - manifests itself in tangogps as small wiggles in the track at openstreetmap level 17. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems building fso-paroli
On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 17:06 -0700, arg0 wrote: > When i attempt the build, it errors out with: > > NOTE: Checking Package: libmikmod > ERROR: QA Issue: No GNU_HASH in the elf binary: > '/home/oe/base/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libmikmod-3.2.0-beta2-r0/install/libmikmod/usr/lib/libmikmod.so.3.0.0' > > ... > > NOTE: Checking Package: libmikmod-locale > ERROR: QA run found fatal errors. Please consider fixing them. > ERROR: Error in executing: > /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb > ERROR: Exception: Message:1 > ERROR: Printing the environment of the function > ERROR: Error in executing: > /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb > ERROR: Exception: Message:1 > ERROR: Printing the environment of the function > ERROR: Error in executing: > /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb > ERROR: Exception: Message:1 > ERROR: Printing the environment of the function > ERROR: Error in executing: > /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb > ERROR: Exception: Message:1 > ERROR: Printing the environment of the function > ERROR: Build of > /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb > do_package failed > ERROR: Task 916 > (/home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb, > do_package) failed > NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 1956 tasks of which 1600 didn't need to be > rerun and 1 failed. > ERROR: > '/home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb' failed > > any ideas/suggestions? What branch are you building ? What machine are you building ? What distro are you building ? Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Problems building fso-paroli
When i attempt the build, it errors out with: NOTE: Checking Package: libmikmod ERROR: QA Issue: No GNU_HASH in the elf binary: '/home/oe/base/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libmikmod-3.2.0-beta2-r0/install/libmikmod/usr/lib/libmikmod.so.3.0.0' ... NOTE: Checking Package: libmikmod-locale ERROR: QA run found fatal errors. Please consider fixing them. ERROR: Error in executing: /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb ERROR: Exception: Message:1 ERROR: Printing the environment of the function ERROR: Error in executing: /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb ERROR: Exception: Message:1 ERROR: Printing the environment of the function ERROR: Error in executing: /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb ERROR: Exception: Message:1 ERROR: Printing the environment of the function ERROR: Error in executing: /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb ERROR: Exception: Message:1 ERROR: Printing the environment of the function ERROR: Build of /home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb do_package failed ERROR: Task 916 (/home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb, do_package) failed NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 1956 tasks of which 1600 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed. ERROR: '/home/oe/base/openembedded/recipes/libmikmod/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2.bb' failed any ideas/suggestions? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Problems-building-fso-paroli-tp2641385p2641385.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
Hi, > Why enlightenment? | You see things; and you say, 'Why?' | But I dream things that never were; and I say, "Why not?" |George Bernard Shaw, ;-) Cheers, Thomas -- Excercise 17: If the human brain was simple enough for us to understand we'd be so simple we couldn't understand. Prove this by induction. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-unstable] call weighting breaks current call
On Thursday 16 April 2009 01:04:43 Russell Hay wrote: > I've been using SHR-unstable quite happily for a week or two - and the only > major issue I have is that whilst on a call, if another person calls me - I > receive notification of a call waiting, then it drops both calls. FSO is probably guilty. I don't think it drops the calls though. I rather think it's trying to switching to the stereoout scenario, thus detaching audio from GSM -- to prepare for playing the ringtone. We need to change the rules so that it does not attempt to play a ringtone while a call is already ongoing. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR-unstable] call weighting breaks current call
I've been using SHR-unstable quite happily for a week or two - and the only major issue I have is that whilst on a call, if another person calls me - I receive notification of a call waiting, then it drops both calls. I'm after some clarification as to whether it's likely that this issue is due to SHR or the GSM firmware? If it's useful, this is seen with the O2 (UK) provider. Russ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:57:57 +0200 Bram Neijt wrote: > I know this question must have come up once before, but I couldn't > find any real answer online, so I'm posting it here. Why > enlightenment? > > I haven't seen enlightenment being used for over 4 years, and with the > wealth of programs out there which are portable and can run on top op > Linux, this choice really astounds me. I'm only writing this now, > because I see that the next Om release (2009) is going to keep > focusing on using it. > For awhile Openmoko had hired Enlightenment's lead developer (Rasterman), so that probably explains their predisposition to using it. E17 also has the advantage of being both slick (in terms of resources) and looking damn good. This has nothing to do with the GUI used by the apps, any more then using fluxbox on a desktop would affect my ability to run gnome or kde applications. > As I see it, all embedded devices running some kind of interface use > either QT or GTK (QT Phone, Nokia Internet tablet, Sharp Zaurus..) and > there are various applications and standards available. > > Why then go for enlightenment? > > Hoping this is not to inflammatory, > Bram What do you mean by standards in "there are various applications and standards available" ? As a full-blown window manager, enlightenment will do everything any other full-featured window manager can do (well, except have releases that aren't just snapshots). Also, remember that Qt Phone and the Nokia tablets use their own gui libraries too (Qtextended and hildon respectively), that applications have to be ported to in order to look native. I'm not familiar with Sharp Zaurus-based distros, but don't they normally use gpe software, which is in most openmoko distro's repos? -- Joseph Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
Am Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 schrieb Bram Neijt: > I know this question must have come up once before, but I couldn't find > any real answer online, so I'm posting it here. Why enlightenment? at least one developer from enlightenment (see http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=contact&l=en) was working for OpenMoko (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Who_is_Who): Carsten Haitzler / raster (http://www.rasterman.com/) If enlightenment is well-suited and if you have somebody with such a good knowledge... And now there's a foundation. So why not. There are other approaches and quite a few distributions (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions) supporting different ones. You have the choice! Starting as a developer, the decision which framework to use might be hard though... (But if you have a choice, you have to take a decision.) Martin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
No, you didn't understand me. It isn't dedicated for Neo. It's designed for handheld devices. Like Neo. And under that environment you can still use other toolkits. And when I said about good apps I was thinking about phone apps. And it seems that SHR has really good, e17 phone apps. They would be perfect, if only there is opimd support and some "today" screen :) 2009/4/16, Bram Neijt : > Saying that the libs are dedicated to the Neo sounds like my worst > nightmare: no application anywhere ever uses them.. except for some of > the programs written specially for the Neo. That would imply that, if > you ever want to use an application on the Neo, you will have to port it > (or live with the overhead of running multiple GUI toolkits at the same > time). > > Saying we only need good apps sounds like a big understatement of the > problem. The open source world is full of good apps, the problem is: not > only do we need good apps, they need to be coded from scratch. > > I'm not familiar with the layout possibilities of e, however in my > experience, the more freedom you give the developers, the more horrid > the design :(. This often leeds to differently sized fonts, with buttons > sized to the text they contain, and no place for the user to start or > stop looking at the application. I've even seen interfaces where you > where never sure weather something was a button or not, let alone what > would happen if you tried to click on it. > > Most developers are like people making their first Powerpoint > presentation. Everybody has seen those: everything has a different > color, size, and it all flies around with sound effects. > > Bram > > On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 23:35 +0200, Johny Tenfinger wrote: >> E libraries seems to be a fastest and lightnest on Neo hardware. When >> using proper theme of course. And they provide very nice way for >> layouting. I was sceptic about e too, but when I see that libs in >> action (from both user and developer side), I'm sure that was good >> decision. There is even Illume and Elememtary, which are dedicated to >> devices like Neo. We only need good apps, which are using those libs. >> >> 2009/4/15, Cedric Cellier : >> > If you'd prefer using Qt or GTK, both have dedicated distros. >> > >> > For instance, hackable:1 is the continuation of the initial OpenMoko >> > software >> > stack that was based on GTK. >> > >> > As to why openmoko guys decided one day to sacrifice all the work >> > already >> > done >> > with GTK and to go for a plain new framework, well you should as well >> > ask >> > "Why those Moai on the Easter island" ? :-) >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Openmoko community mailing list >> > community@lists.openmoko.org >> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
Bram Neijt writes: > Saying that the libs are dedicated to the Neo sounds like my worst > nightmare: no application anywhere ever uses them.. except for some of I have had these same thoughts for months. Fortunately it is perfectly possible to use freerunner without using E at all. I wrote a small dialer in python gtk and use normal applications from debian (gpe-calendar, xvkbd keyboard, midori/firefox/arora/elinks browsers, xchat, icewm window manager). This has give me a pretty stable "no surprises around corners" environment with lots of applications and let me to concentrate on helping kernel, Xorg and ogsmd development. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
Saying that the libs are dedicated to the Neo sounds like my worst nightmare: no application anywhere ever uses them.. except for some of the programs written specially for the Neo. That would imply that, if you ever want to use an application on the Neo, you will have to port it (or live with the overhead of running multiple GUI toolkits at the same time). Saying we only need good apps sounds like a big understatement of the problem. The open source world is full of good apps, the problem is: not only do we need good apps, they need to be coded from scratch. I'm not familiar with the layout possibilities of e, however in my experience, the more freedom you give the developers, the more horrid the design :(. This often leeds to differently sized fonts, with buttons sized to the text they contain, and no place for the user to start or stop looking at the application. I've even seen interfaces where you where never sure weather something was a button or not, let alone what would happen if you tried to click on it. Most developers are like people making their first Powerpoint presentation. Everybody has seen those: everything has a different color, size, and it all flies around with sound effects. Bram On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 23:35 +0200, Johny Tenfinger wrote: > E libraries seems to be a fastest and lightnest on Neo hardware. When > using proper theme of course. And they provide very nice way for > layouting. I was sceptic about e too, but when I see that libs in > action (from both user and developer side), I'm sure that was good > decision. There is even Illume and Elememtary, which are dedicated to > devices like Neo. We only need good apps, which are using those libs. > > 2009/4/15, Cedric Cellier : > > If you'd prefer using Qt or GTK, both have dedicated distros. > > > > For instance, hackable:1 is the continuation of the initial OpenMoko > > software > > stack that was based on GTK. > > > > As to why openmoko guys decided one day to sacrifice all the work already > > done > > with GTK and to go for a plain new framework, well you should as well ask > > "Why those Moai on the Easter island" ? :-) > > > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7
Franky, I've just installed your version of QtE and everything works very well with one major exception, the phone suspends while on calls! I'm using the rootfs from april 4th (recommended in your script) this is very, very bad! Tom Franky Van Liedekerke escribió: > On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:20:50 +0200 > Sound Freedom wrote: > > >>> - 20090415: "missed calls bug finally solved, it took some code >>> rewriting I found in the qtopia version Om2008.12 (thanks Holger!) >>> >> Is it resolve this problem ? : >> When the phone is in supsend mode, when somebody call me, the phone >> doesn't do anything. But when I wake the phone, it's ringing 3 time >> for a call from unknown person. Then the real call is lost. >> I don't know if it do the same with a sms. >> >> > > This is kernel related probably ... what kernel+rootfs are you using? > > Franky > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtExtended] and GTA01 - repost - sorry for the copy crap
On Wednesday 15 April 2009 19:25:39 Andy Selby wrote: > > i found the last 3/3/2009 image of Qt-extended. > > Really! > Could you post a link? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_/_Qt_Extended_on_FreeRunner ?? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - send SMS GUI logic
My samsung allows both methods. So when I want to send a broadcast, like "merry christmas" I do the following. 1. Create new message. 2. enter msg. 3. Hit options 4. add people I want to braodcast to.. Then I get to browse through my contects checking off people... 5. hit send. Or I just hit create new mesage. Enter the sms. hit send. get a menu of people to add.. lets see I'll send this to julie and mary, because julie just called me 10 minutes ago and she and mary are out driving around. I do that all the time. And.. when I want to send a message to Sean I can 1. create new msg 2. Hit send 3. add "sean" 4. hit back 5 type in the msg 6. hit send. I use both methods all the time. But then Again I use broadcast probably more than most. Or go to contacts.. find sean, click send a msg, type the msg. hit send or go to inbox, find a msg from sean, hit reply. etc. or go to recent calls, find seans last call to me, hit options, select send a msg... etc etc I guess I use all those methods on a regular basis Joseph Reeves wrote: > My Nokia N96 wants me to select the recipients before I write the > message, and that's a phone that people seem to like... > > After all, I think to myself "I'll send something to François", rather > than "I want to say something, but who shall I send it to?" > > ;-) > > > > 2009/4/15 François TOURDE : >> Le 14349ième jour après Epoch, >> blok...@h0m3.be écrivait: >> >>> first tipe what you want to send , then to who seems more logical . >> I agree with this, even if I don't understand why. I can't find any good >> reason to use this order :) >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
When I tried hackable:1 it did not contain a dialer and had no basic phone functionality, but I will be giving it another try in the near future. Thank you for your reply. Bram On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 23:19 +0200, Cedric Cellier wrote: > If you'd prefer using Qt or GTK, both have dedicated distros. > > For instance, hackable:1 is the continuation of the initial OpenMoko software > stack that was based on GTK. > > As to why openmoko guys decided one day to sacrifice all the work already done > with GTK and to go for a plain new framework, well you should as well ask > "Why those Moai on the Easter island" ? :-) > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:20:50 +0200 Sound Freedom wrote: > > > > - 20090415: "missed calls bug finally solved, it took some code > > rewriting I found in the qtopia version Om2008.12 (thanks Holger!) > > > Is it resolve this problem ? : > When the phone is in supsend mode, when somebody call me, the phone > doesn't do anything. But when I wake the phone, it's ringing 3 time > for a call from unknown person. Then the real call is lost. > I don't know if it do the same with a sms. > This is kernel related probably ... what kernel+rootfs are you using? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
I'm not sure where it gets the zone from, but if someone knows a way to sync from GSM without screwing up the TZ, I'd love to hear it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
E libraries seems to be a fastest and lightnest on Neo hardware. When using proper theme of course. And they provide very nice way for layouting. I was sceptic about e too, but when I see that libs in action (from both user and developer side), I'm sure that was good decision. There is even Illume and Elememtary, which are dedicated to devices like Neo. We only need good apps, which are using those libs. 2009/4/15, Cedric Cellier : > If you'd prefer using Qt or GTK, both have dedicated distros. > > For instance, hackable:1 is the continuation of the initial OpenMoko > software > stack that was based on GTK. > > As to why openmoko guys decided one day to sacrifice all the work already > done > with GTK and to go for a plain new framework, well you should as well ask > "Why those Moai on the Easter island" ? :-) > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
opkg - question
Dear list, I have seen a strange behavior in opkg. The context is this: A certain repository (listed in the FR's conf files) has these versions of 'package': package.0.1.ipk package.0.3.ipk Somewhere else in the internet (not a repository) this file is available: http://mypage.org/package.0.2.ipk And I type in the Freerunner: opkg install http://mypage.org/package.0.2.ipk And the package that gets installed is package.0.3.ipk !! Is this normal? I cannot have package.0.2.ipk installed? how? Regards, Juan Lucas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7
> > - 20090415: "missed calls bug finally solved, it took some code > rewriting I found in the qtopia version Om2008.12 (thanks Holger!) Is it resolve this problem ? : When the phone is in supsend mode, when somebody call me, the phone doesn't do anything. But when I wake the phone, it's ringing 3 time for a call from unknown person. Then the real call is lost. I don't know if it do the same with a sms. 2009/4/15 Franky Van Liedekerke > (install instructions and script updated on 2090415: see below) > > Problems solved: > > - 20090401: 2.6.28 ok (even 2.6.29-rc2 ok) > - 20090401: alarms OK (using atd from > http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/, since no > newer package exists), normal + when suspended > - 20090401: wake up when receiving sms, OK > - 20090401: call + echo check, all OK > - 20090401: duplicate sms thing: solved (see also fix on 20090412) > - 20090401: mail ok > - 20090401: wifi ok > - 20090403: voice notes (see my mail/patch) ok > - 20090404: usb cable handling: ok (mailed a patch to Filip, I hope he > integrates all the 2.6.28 patches and commits them) > - 20090404: bluetooth ok (need to downgrade to bluez3 and not use > bluez4, install script updated accordingly) > - 20090410: voicemail number is now saved across reboots (see > http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/15) > - 20090410: snooze function works correctly now for repetitive alarms > (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/27) > - 20090412: wlan no longer always "online" after unsuspend. I don't > know if this saves power or not though ... > - 20090412: SMS's are deleted from SIM after being read (see > http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/29). THIS NEEDS > TESTING!!! > > - 20090413: vibrating/alarm/snoozing: works reliable now (there was a > bug in the used timers logic that could cause infinite vibrating) > - 20090415: "missed calls bug finally solved, it took some code > rewriting I found in the qtopia version Om2008.12 (thanks Holger!) > - 20090415: outgoing call doesn't register anymore as "missed" when > aborting the call before the connection is made (again: thanks > Holger!) > > (the last 2 fixes aren't in any tickets, I need to create a patch for > these.) > > > Problems found (more like small nuisances now): > === > - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service > crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the > clock again > - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it > works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version > combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but > receiving files for sure don't. > - if you try to delete the "Wireless Lan", the system crashes ... cool > huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-) > > - waiting call notification doesn' t work for me, it seems that the > command to set the CCWA on the network fails for me: > > AtChat : T : "AT+CCWA=1,1,1" > AtChat : F : "+CME ERROR: 4" > AtChat : T : "AT+CCWA=1,2" > AtChat : F : "+CCWA: 0,7" > AtChat : F : "OK" > > The error "+CME ERROR: 4" means that the operation is not supported. Is > this provider related? > > - I had a problem with the battery service crashing on me; all of the > suddenly (after many suspend/resumes) the device gave me a warning > that the battery was critical low, but after another suspend/resume > cycle, the icon showed a full battery (even though the battery was at > 60% or so) > > > Install instructions: > = > download the script > http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/openmoko_install.sh , read the comments > at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having > flashed the device and made sure internet works). > For those who just want to replace their existing QtE: just download > the QtE compressed file and replace your existing QtE with it: > http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090415.tgz. > > Enjoy! > > Franky > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
If you'd prefer using Qt or GTK, both have dedicated distros. For instance, hackable:1 is the continuation of the initial OpenMoko software stack that was based on GTK. As to why openmoko guys decided one day to sacrifice all the work already done with GTK and to go for a plain new framework, well you should as well ask "Why those Moai on the Easter island" ? :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
The Digital Pioneer wrote: > You don't have to set timesources = NONE, but zonesources should. I > assume it still acquires the actual time whenever it can if timesources > has something in it... Perhaps not, though. > > > > > Does this mean that time will no longer be synchronized with GSM? The thing is that otimed changes the zone, while it should only sync the time, no more, no less... Does NTP server sync timezone? No. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
1) How many of you would be interested in the following hardware mods: * sunlight readable LCD Yes! This would be very good, not only for using the freerunner on a bike. Bernt -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/sunlight-readable-LCD-tp2637931p2640927.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Why enlightenment?
I know this question must have come up once before, but I couldn't find any real answer online, so I'm posting it here. Why enlightenment? I haven't seen enlightenment being used for over 4 years, and with the wealth of programs out there which are portable and can run on top op Linux, this choice really astounds me. I'm only writing this now, because I see that the next Om release (2009) is going to keep focusing on using it. Most people will not find this discussion productive, but please consider giving me some good pointers as I'm having a hard time to get my head around this. As I see it, all embedded devices running some kind of interface use either QT or GTK (QT Phone, Nokia Internet tablet, Sharp Zaurus..) and there are various applications and standards available. Why then go for enlightenment? Hoping this is not to inflammatory, Bram ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:11:36 -0400 Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: > Franky, > It's great to see you making huge progress with QtEI, however, I have > some questions before trying your build. > 1. Do incoming calls get answered using Speaker or Handset? On my > phone all incoming calls are answered using Speaker, which is very > annying. I've been having this problem since the time QtE was called > Qtopia, and no build has had it fixed. > 2. Is power management working fine? If I change any settings on my > phone, suspend stops working. > > regards > Tom Hi Tom, never had an issue with the speaker before. All incoming calls get correctly routed. I have to admit that I didn't play around much with speaker mode before (maybe if I set it to speaker, it can't go back or so ...) Also power management is working just fine: I have it set to dim at 30secs and suspend at 40secs when on battery, and that works just fine. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7
Franky, It's great to see you making huge progress with QtEI, however, I have some questions before trying your build. 1. Do incoming calls get answered using Speaker or Handset? On my phone all incoming calls are answered using Speaker, which is very annying. I've been having this problem since the time QtE was called Qtopia, and no build has had it fixed. 2. Is power management working fine? If I change any settings on my phone, suspend stops working. regards Tom Franky Van Liedekerke escribió: > (install instructions and script updated on 2090415: see below) > > Problems solved: > > - 20090401: 2.6.28 ok (even 2.6.29-rc2 ok) > - 20090401: alarms OK (using atd from > http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/, since no > newer package exists), normal + when suspended > - 20090401: wake up when receiving sms, OK > - 20090401: call + echo check, all OK > - 20090401: duplicate sms thing: solved (see also fix on 20090412) > - 20090401: mail ok > - 20090401: wifi ok > - 20090403: voice notes (see my mail/patch) ok > - 20090404: usb cable handling: ok (mailed a patch to Filip, I hope he > integrates all the 2.6.28 patches and commits them) > - 20090404: bluetooth ok (need to downgrade to bluez3 and not use > bluez4, install script updated accordingly) > - 20090410: voicemail number is now saved across reboots (see > http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/15) > - 20090410: snooze function works correctly now for repetitive alarms > (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/27) > - 20090412: wlan no longer always "online" after unsuspend. I don't > know if this saves power or not though ... > - 20090412: SMS's are deleted from SIM after being read (see > http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/29). THIS NEEDS > TESTING!!! > > - 20090413: vibrating/alarm/snoozing: works reliable now (there was a > bug in the used timers logic that could cause infinite vibrating) > - 20090415: "missed calls bug finally solved, it took some code > rewriting I found in the qtopia version Om2008.12 (thanks Holger!) > - 20090415: outgoing call doesn't register anymore as "missed" when > aborting the call before the connection is made (again: thanks > Holger!) > > (the last 2 fixes aren't in any tickets, I need to create a patch for > these.) > > > Problems found (more like small nuisances now): > === > - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service > crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the > clock again > - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it > works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version > combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but > receiving files for sure don't. > - if you try to delete the "Wireless Lan", the system crashes ... cool > huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-) > > - waiting call notification doesn' t work for me, it seems that the > command to set the CCWA on the network fails for me: > > AtChat : T : "AT+CCWA=1,1,1" > AtChat : F : "+CME ERROR: 4" > AtChat : T : "AT+CCWA=1,2" > AtChat : F : "+CCWA: 0,7" > AtChat : F : "OK" > > The error "+CME ERROR: 4" means that the operation is not supported. Is > this provider related? > > - I had a problem with the battery service crashing on me; all of the > suddenly (after many suspend/resumes) the device gave me a warning > that the battery was critical low, but after another suspend/resume > cycle, the icon showed a full battery (even though the battery was at > 60% or so) > > > Install instructions: > = > download the script > http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/openmoko_install.sh , read the comments > at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having > flashed the device and made sure internet works). > For those who just want to replace their existing QtE: just download > the QtE compressed file and replace your existing QtE with it: > http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090415.tgz. > > Enjoy! > > Franky > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7
(install instructions and script updated on 2090415: see below) Problems solved: - 20090401: 2.6.28 ok (even 2.6.29-rc2 ok) - 20090401: alarms OK (using atd from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/, since no newer package exists), normal + when suspended - 20090401: wake up when receiving sms, OK - 20090401: call + echo check, all OK - 20090401: duplicate sms thing: solved (see also fix on 20090412) - 20090401: mail ok - 20090401: wifi ok - 20090403: voice notes (see my mail/patch) ok - 20090404: usb cable handling: ok (mailed a patch to Filip, I hope he integrates all the 2.6.28 patches and commits them) - 20090404: bluetooth ok (need to downgrade to bluez3 and not use bluez4, install script updated accordingly) - 20090410: voicemail number is now saved across reboots (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/15) - 20090410: snooze function works correctly now for repetitive alarms (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/27) - 20090412: wlan no longer always "online" after unsuspend. I don't know if this saves power or not though ... - 20090412: SMS's are deleted from SIM after being read (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/29). THIS NEEDS TESTING!!! - 20090413: vibrating/alarm/snoozing: works reliable now (there was a bug in the used timers logic that could cause infinite vibrating) - 20090415: "missed calls bug finally solved, it took some code rewriting I found in the qtopia version Om2008.12 (thanks Holger!) - 20090415: outgoing call doesn't register anymore as "missed" when aborting the call before the connection is made (again: thanks Holger!) (the last 2 fixes aren't in any tickets, I need to create a patch for these.) Problems found (more like small nuisances now): === - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the clock again - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but receiving files for sure don't. - if you try to delete the "Wireless Lan", the system crashes ... cool huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-) - waiting call notification doesn' t work for me, it seems that the command to set the CCWA on the network fails for me: AtChat : T : "AT+CCWA=1,1,1" AtChat : F : "+CME ERROR: 4" AtChat : T : "AT+CCWA=1,2" AtChat : F : "+CCWA: 0,7" AtChat : F : "OK" The error "+CME ERROR: 4" means that the operation is not supported. Is this provider related? - I had a problem with the battery service crashing on me; all of the suddenly (after many suspend/resumes) the device gave me a warning that the battery was critical low, but after another suspend/resume cycle, the icon showed a full battery (even though the battery was at 60% or so) Install instructions: = download the script http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/openmoko_install.sh , read the comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having flashed the device and made sure internet works). For those who just want to replace their existing QtE: just download the QtE compressed file and replace your existing QtE with it: http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090415.tgz. Enjoy! Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
(FYP) No input method?
I loaded FYP on my Freerunner, and I am rather impressed with what I saw. Unfortunately I cannot find a keyboard in it (I loaded release 3.01 on it). Someone have a good idea for this? Paul -- Charity sees the need, not the cause. -German proverb http://www.nlpagan.net MHC - Mandriva 2009.0, Ubuntu 8.10, EasyPeasy 1.1rc2 (Before printing this mail: consider the environment!) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - Power Button
Hi , When pressing the power button for 1 sec it powers off very fast . . This is _nice_ . I like it a lot. But there is no way to lock it or put it in sleep via this button In SHR there is a exelent way to trap all this. Is it very difficult to implement this in paroli ? Kind regards , and cheerio's Blokkie ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Marcus Bauer wrote: > > Hello list, > > Joseph Reeves wrote on his blog about a bicycle app for the Neo [1]. > > I have always wanted to add cycling / sports functions to tangoGPS but > as the LCD is mostly unreadable in sunlight I felt there is little use. > After trying it a couple of times on my bike I soon started to leave > the Neo at home. > > So I wonder about three things for better outdoor use: > > 1) How many of you would be interested in the following hardware > mods: > * sunlight readable LCD > * bigger LCD 3,5"+ > * new ruggedized case or rubber shell (including a mean to nicely fix > in on a bike?) > * waterproof (substaintially more costs) > > 2) How much money would you spend on it? To give you an idea: the PSP > display with touchscreen can be bought on ebay for ~25$. A case may be > ~20-30$ for volumes of 100+. > > 3) Last question: are there hardware people interested in > this? > > Please reply here on list with your interest! If you're looking for _the perfect_ LCD for this job, have a look on the Boe Hydis HVT43WV1. 4.3" WVGA with probably the best sunlight-readability you can get on a colored screen. Some ThinkPad X200 Tablets have similar AFFS+ screens of the same manufacturer if you want to see it in action. However - I have no idea if it would be possible to connect it to the Glamo. If the resolution is too high, there are also 4" with WQVGA available. Also, I don't know if it is possible to get this devices in packages with less than 100 units. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtExtended] and GTA01 - repost - sorry for the copy crap
> i found the last 3/3/2009 image of Qt-extended. Really! Could you post a link? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - send SMS GUI logic
Hi, arne anka wrote: > > assume, you want to sent the same message to several recipients. > you type the msg once and select either a list of recipients (given, the > ui allows that) or the message is avaliable again after sending and you > can select another recipient to resend. > > in both cases the ui needs to provide that use case -- but if it does, the > proposed order would be logical and the same for all caes, be it if you > send one msg or the same msg several times. > You can indeed resend the message. After you send it, it appears in the msgs list, if you open the details and press on the number of the recipient you can enter another recipient and resend the message. /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video. Really Really Alpha!
Hi, The code is at intone-video.googlecode.com. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-video.-Really-Really-Alpha%21-Release-0.10.-tp2639240p2640096.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009]
François TOURDE wrote: > Le 14349ième jour après Epoch, > Ed Kapitein écrivait: > > >> i found out that you can chage from silent to default profile by >> pressing the aux button. >> Is there an url with a tutorial on how to use the new image? >> > > If it's for paroli, check at: > > http://www.paroli-project.org/running-paroli/ > > It is not specially for paroli, it is an illume thing i guess, there is a +/- 3 pixel wide top-bar and if you're extreme lucky it will come down if you first touch the top-bar and then touch the main screen. i might have it wrong, but it appears to work like that sometimes. and i miss settings for brightness, sleep time etc. if you slide the clock to the right you can set an alarm, which is nice. i have yet to figure out at what time that alarm will go off ;-) i hope i will be pleasantly surprised soon, so far i am not jumping with joy Kind regards, Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video. Really Really Alpha!
c_c wrote: > Hi, > Well, since I'm going to be travelling for the next 4 days - and I _might_ > not have time to play with this - I thought I'll quickly post a teaser ipk. Nice... What about the sources? :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009]
Le 14349ième jour après Epoch, Ed Kapitein écrivait: > i found out that you can chage from silent to default profile by > pressing the aux button. > Is there an url with a tutorial on how to use the new image? If it's for paroli, check at: http://www.paroli-project.org/running-paroli/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtExtended] and GTA01 - repost - sorry for the copy crap
Hi all, i found the last 3/3/2009 image of Qt-extended. However i wonder if that image is for the FREERUNNER (!) only or if it can be installed on the GTA01 too ? Thx W ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - send SMS GUI logic
> I agree with this, even if I don't understand why. I can't find any good > reason to use this order :) assume, you want to sent the same message to several recipients. you type the msg once and select either a list of recipients (given, the ui allows that) or the message is avaliable again after sending and you can select another recipient to resend. in both cases the ui needs to provide that use case -- but if it does, the proposed order would be logical and the same for all caes, be it if you send one msg or the same msg several times. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtExtended] and GTA01 image
On Wednesday 15 April 2009 00:43:56 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:25:56 +0200
>
> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:30:28 +0200
> >
> > Sander van Grieken wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 14 April 2009 21:54:53 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> > > > Maybe the latest version is ok again, but it is IMPOSSIBLE TO TEST
> > > > since ssh no longer works. Surely somebody must notice this, or is
> > > > nobody even using these images?
> > >
> > > Yeah I noticed too, but I assumed I b0rked my build system, since I
> > > tried to use the SHR overlay manually.. also, X didn't start
> > > anymore, that's when I noticed SSH didn't work.
> > >
> > > but, while waiting for the entire rebuild to finish, I'm taking a
> > > look at the commits since April 4 :)
> >
> > well, I don't know, but reverting to that kernel+rootf fixed the
> > incoming SMS when suspended thing.
> > But now the whole missed-call comes flying back to me: whenever I
> > answer a call, the second after I pressed "answer", a new call
> > notification pops up saying I have the same incoming call.
> > Seems like a timing issue to me ... propably something in
> > qmodemcallprovider.cpp that should be redefined in vendor_neo.cpp
> >
> > Franky
>
> ok, for those curious: I've put online a AT-listing of a missed call:
> http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/missedcall.txt
>
> The scenario is this: call the device from another line, answer the
> call and watch a notification for a second call arrive (sometimes).
> The AT commands in the text file are of course the results of both
> calls, so it can be a bit confusing. Although the AT-call "ATA" should
> give you a hint that the device in the end thinks there is only one
> active call (otherwise it would be AT+CHLD=2).
>
> I think the cause of the problems lies in the function
Hi all,
i found the last 3/3/2009 image of Qt-extended. However i wonder if that
image is for the FREERUNNER (!) only or if it can be installed on the GTA01
too ?
Thx
W
> void QModemCallProvider::clccIncoming()
> in the file src/libraries/qtopiaphonemodem/qmodemcallprovider.cpp
>
> Specifically this part seems to be the culprit:
>
> if ( callType.isEmpty() ) {
> // We could not determine the call type, so the incoming call
> // has probably disappeared. Flag it as a missed voice call.
> d->incomingCallType = "Voice"; // No tr
> announceCall();
> d->missedTimer->stop();
> missedTimeout();
> } else {
>
> This part makes sure that for a call that can't be identified, the call
> gets announced and then flagged as being missed, exactly what I see in
> the logfile.
> Now I don't get this: why flag an dissapeared call of unknown type as
> voice and missed call?
> From what I can see, this code should be:
>
> if ( callType.isEmpty() ) {
> // We could not determine the call type, so the incoming call
> // has probably disappeared. Ignore it.
> stopRingTimers();
> } else {
>
> Any comments on this?
> Ok, the fact that the modem sends an extra RING after the call is
> accepted is probably because it's a bit slow sometimes (or the RING
> arrives a bit too slow).
>
> Franky
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[om2009]
Hi all, First impressions: wow, how do i get used to this? it probably will take a while, but i'll get trough it. If i open paroli ( or any other app for that matter ) how do i get back to ilume? I am killing it now from an ssh session, but there must be a better way ;-) i found out that you can chage from silent to default profile by pressing the aux button. Is there an url with a tutorial on how to use the new image? Kind regards, Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - send SMS GUI logic
Am Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 17:01:38 schrieb François TOURDE: > Le 14349ième jour après Epoch, > > blok...@h0m3.be écrivait: > > first tipe what you want to send , then to who seems more logical . > > I agree with this, even if I don't understand why. I can't find any good > reason to use this order :) It's always been like that. Although at least I do it the other way round in emails since the recipient field resides above the text area... We got used to it these ways I'd say. -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - send SMS GUI logic
Hi again, blokkie wrote: > Yes , > > Image you want to send a sms to a bunch of people , then you would have to > enter all the numbers first (because you > cannot select contacts from your phonebook "yet" :-)) , Actually you can, just tried it on testing again. Hit the number field (the place where the numbers would appear and you get the contacts list and can chose one. > > Or maybe it's just me and I'm a bit daft and you can ignore this remarq > though this logic is found in a lot of mobile > phones. I guess both can be regarded as good and bad, my phone (samsung) also does it the way you proposed, but we looked at phones where it is like that ... hmm... > > I've read the pdf about the hello world. Pretty straught forward .. so I'll > get my hands dirty as soon as possible . > > Idea's .. well , only one for now. > > I think it would be nice if one could bind the upper-left button to a > sound-mixer app for setting the call volume and > such. > Would that be doable ? Haha, ok. I have to admit something. I am already abusing the aux-button for many purposes. Right now, in testing, it switches the profile while on the launcher and the in-call volume (while in call of course). There is also a settings app which you have to activate in the paroli.cfg (/etc/paroli/paroli.cfg) which gets launched when you hold the aux-button. So, to answer your question, yes it is doable and I already did that :) But the settings app still needs work that is why it is disabled by default :) /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - send SMS GUI logic
My Nokia N96 wants me to select the recipients before I write the message, and that's a phone that people seem to like... After all, I think to myself "I'll send something to François", rather than "I want to say something, but who shall I send it to?" ;-) 2009/4/15 François TOURDE : > Le 14349ième jour après Epoch, > blok...@h0m3.be écrivait: > >> first tipe what you want to send , then to who seems more logical . > > I agree with this, even if I don't understand why. I can't find any good > reason to use this order :) > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - send SMS GUI logic
Le 14349ième jour après Epoch, blok...@h0m3.be écrivait: > first tipe what you want to send , then to who seems more logical . I agree with this, even if I don't understand why. I can't find any good reason to use this order :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Intone-video. Really Really Alpha!
Hi, Well, since I'm going to be travelling for the next 4 days - and I _might_ not have time to play with this - I thought I'll quickly post a teaser ipk. This is really really alpha - it hangs my FR half the time - and I don't think it's my code entirely - but it could be - since I don't fully understand about half of what I'm doing ;-) But, it's a (elementary) GUI - though slightly slow - and it uses the xglamo patched mplayer to play a video in landscape mode. The ipk installs mplayer as mplayer-video in /usr/bin/ and its config files in ~/.mplayer. So backup yours if you have a diff configuration. Currently you need to kill the program after playing a video to play the next one - since once the video window is shown it refuses to get hidden, lowered, resized etc. But, as I said, its a teaser - so enjoy! And gimme feedback. I'm thinking on the lines of accelerometer based button text rotation. And of course to fix the myriad issues this is bringing up. intone-video_0.10_arm.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-video.-Really-Really-Alpha%21-tp2639240p2639240.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - send SMS GUI logic
> Hi, >> When I want to create a new SMS , it first shows me the num-pad to enter and >> then the text. >> >> Would it not be more easy to first type the sms , then select contact(s) >> || type the tel number in ? >> > > Does it make a difference ? Yes , Image you want to send a sms to a bunch of people , then you would have to enter all the numbers first (because you cannot select contacts from your phonebook "yet" :-)) , After you entered all the numbers , you can finaly send the sms which I think is a bit counter-intuitive . first tipe what you want to send , then to who seems more logical . Or maybe it's just me and I'm a bit daft and you can ignore this remarq though this logic is found in a lot of mobile phones. > >> Who is working on the GUI ? > > That would be me than. > >> Maybe I can help a bit :) > > Any help is welcome :) > Got ideas? I've read the pdf about the hello world. Pretty straught forward .. so I'll get my hands dirty as soon as possible . Idea's .. well , only one for now. I think it would be nice if one could bind the upper-left button to a sound-mixer app for setting the call volume and such. Would that be doable ? > > /mirko > > /blokkie :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] latest andy-tracking kernel
So, it's ok with fso image from 02-29-09. i will tell you for tracking bugs 2009/4/15 Sound Freedom > I tested fso-image from 04/04/09 & kernel from your site (links on the > comment of your script) then I couldn't get usb network. > My computer*S* tell me that ther is no usb such device. > > I'm trying a new install with second links of your comment (with fso-image > from 29-02-09) & tell you if it'll be ok > > 2009/4/14 Franky Van Liedekerke > > On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:30:28 +0200 >> Sander van Grieken wrote: >> >> > On Tuesday 14 April 2009 21:54:53 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: >> > > Maybe the latest version is ok again, but it is IMPOSSIBLE TO TEST >> > > since ssh no longer works. Surely somebody must notice this, or is >> > > nobody even using these images? >> > >> > Yeah I noticed too, but I assumed I b0rked my build system, since I >> > tried to use the SHR overlay manually.. also, X didn't start anymore, >> > that's when I noticed SSH didn't work. >> > >> > but, while waiting for the entire rebuild to finish, I'm taking a >> > look at the commits since April 4 :) >> >> well, I don't know, but reverting to that kernel+rootf fixed the >> incoming SMS when suspended thing. >> But now the whole missed-call comes flying back to me: whenever I >> answer a call, the second after I pressed "answer", a new call >> notification pops up saying I have the same incoming call. >> Seems like a timing issue to me ... propably something in >> qmodemcallprovider.cpp that should be redefined in vendor_neo.cpp >> >> Franky >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - send SMS GUI logic
Hi, > When I want to create a new SMS , it first shows me the num-pad to enter and > then the text. > > Would it not be more easy to first type the sms , then select contact(s) || > type the tel number in ? > Does it make a difference ? > Who is working on the GUI ? That would be me than. > Maybe I can help a bit :) Any help is welcome :) Got ideas? /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] latest andy-tracking kernel
I tested fso-image from 04/04/09 & kernel from your site (links on the comment of your script) then I couldn't get usb network. My computer*S* tell me that ther is no usb such device. I'm trying a new install with second links of your comment (with fso-image from 29-02-09) & tell you if it'll be ok 2009/4/14 Franky Van Liedekerke > On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:30:28 +0200 > Sander van Grieken wrote: > > > On Tuesday 14 April 2009 21:54:53 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > > > Maybe the latest version is ok again, but it is IMPOSSIBLE TO TEST > > > since ssh no longer works. Surely somebody must notice this, or is > > > nobody even using these images? > > > > Yeah I noticed too, but I assumed I b0rked my build system, since I > > tried to use the SHR overlay manually.. also, X didn't start anymore, > > that's when I noticed SSH didn't work. > > > > but, while waiting for the entire rebuild to finish, I'm taking a > > look at the commits since April 4 :) > > well, I don't know, but reverting to that kernel+rootf fixed the > incoming SMS when suspended thing. > But now the whole missed-call comes flying back to me: whenever I > answer a call, the second after I pressed "answer", a new call > notification pops up saying I have the same incoming call. > Seems like a timing issue to me ... propably something in > qmodemcallprovider.cpp that should be redefined in vendor_neo.cpp > > Franky > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
Marcus Bauer writes: > Hello list, > > Joseph Reeves wrote on his blog about a bicycle app for the Neo [1]. > > I have always wanted to add cycling / sports functions to tangoGPS but > as the LCD is mostly unreadable in sunlight I felt there is little use. > After trying it a couple of times on my bike I soon started to leave > the Neo at home. > > So I wonder about three things for better outdoor use: > > 1) How many of you would be interested in the following hardware > mods: > * sunlight readable LCD > * bigger LCD 3,5"+ > * new ruggedized case or rubber shell (including a mean to nicely fix I once modified a laptop by removing the backlighting from the screen. That made it possible to read the screen by using the sun as a backlight source. Maybe something similar can be done to the Freerunner? > in on a bike?) > * waterproof (substaintially more costs) > > 2) How much money would you spend on it? To give you an idea: the PSP > display with touchscreen can be bought on ebay for ~25$. A case may be > ~20-30$ for volumes of 100+. > > 3) Last question: are there hardware people interested in > this? > > Please reply here on list with your interest! > > Marcus > > [1]http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/racing_myself_a_feature_request -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009]
On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 15:30 +0200, Tomasz Suchan wrote: > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Petr Vanek wrote: > >>thanks for reporting your enthusiasm :D > >>Is there in 2009.1 the possibility to switch from Paroli to another > >>application (like TangoGPS) using Illume menu? > > > > this is at this point not possible. > > It IS possible, just use fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 image instead of > fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2... > > Tom > > __ Yes it is possible and the best way to do it. As Tom suggested install fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and the do an "opkg update" and then "opkg install paroli paroli-sounds paroli-autostart". At the momment this option may cause problems as the testing images are linked to the unstable feeds so if you do "opkg upgrade" you phone will have the newest features but it will also have moved to the unstable catagory. I hope to have the feeds issue resolved for the next testing release. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - send SMS GUI logic
Hi , just wondering about the user-interface of the sms . When I want to create a new SMS , it first shows me the num-pad to enter and then the text. Would it not be more easy to first type the sms , then select contact(s) || type the tel number in ? Who is working on the GUI ? Maybe I can help a bit :) Cheerio's Blokkie ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009]
r...@om-gta02:~# export DISPLAY=:0.0 && tangogps works, although it's not too useful if you go outside without your laptop plugged into the phone ;) Joseph 2009/4/15 Petr Vanek : >>thanks for reporting your enthusiasm :D >>Is there in 2009.1 the possibility to switch from Paroli to another >>application (like TangoGPS) using Illume menu? > > this is at this point not possible. > > petr > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009]
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Petr Vanek wrote: >>thanks for reporting your enthusiasm :D >>Is there in 2009.1 the possibility to switch from Paroli to another >>application (like TangoGPS) using Illume menu? > > this is at this point not possible. It IS possible, just use fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 image instead of fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2... Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
Marcus Bauer wrote: > Hello list, > > Joseph Reeves wrote on his blog about a bicycle app for the Neo [1]. > > I have always wanted to add cycling / sports functions to tangoGPS but > as the LCD is mostly unreadable in sunlight I felt there is little use. > After trying it a couple of times on my bike I soon started to leave > the Neo at home. surprise that project is already there http://www.obico.de/?loc=user&lang=en powered by the Dynamo J ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009]
>thanks for reporting your enthusiasm :D >Is there in 2009.1 the possibility to switch from Paroli to another >application (like TangoGPS) using Illume menu? this is at this point not possible. petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vala-Terminal Black Background
Using 1.1.1-r0.3 but it always says unknown flag to -bc and -fs... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 blokkie ha scritto: > Hi , > > I'm new to this list , and actualy I only have my neo GTA2 for a week .. but > anyway : Cool STUFF , this paroli and > 2009 ! > > > It works far better and is a lot more phone instead of computer like with SHR > . > > The GUI is intuitive , easy to use and clear (white / gray on black ) is > exelent contrast ! Once it's booted I also > think it's more responsive. > > Only downside IMHO is the booting time. And maybe get rid of the errors and > the boot banner ? > > Cool work !! > > > /a fan > > Cheerio's > Blokkie > Hi blokkie, thanks for reporting your enthusiasm :D Is there in 2009.1 the possibility to switch from Paroli to another application (like TangoGPS) using Illume menu? Thanks :D - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia projects contributor* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org "Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software" GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknl2fwACgkQRi2TsGSC4FbVbACgoXvv5gZoUWJC5Ozm1hWTVEsI lkUAn0cs8vkvwZyh2qRvF3xZsTFWBXZt =7bXH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
Hello list, I like the propossed mods, and i think that most of the changes are possible. But how to get this mods done? I proposse a simple approach. Changing the LCD is difficult, because you need to change the case in order to fit LCD into the phone. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Gaël HERMET wrote: > Marcus Bauer a écrit : >> Hello list, >> >> Joseph Reeves wrote on his blog about a bicycle app for the Neo [1]. >> >> I have always wanted to add cycling / sports functions to tangoGPS but >> as the LCD is mostly unreadable in sunlight I felt there is little use. >> After trying it a couple of times on my bike I soon started to leave >> the Neo at home. >> >> So I wonder about three things for better outdoor use: >> >> 1) How many of you would be interested in the following hardware >> mods: >> * sunlight readable LCD >> * bigger LCD 3,5"+ > Maybe 3.5" is a little bit to big, but I think 3.2" can be realy > interesting. > Sunlight readable LCD is realy interesting in a lot of case. >> * new ruggedized case or rubber shell (including a mean to nicely fix >> in on a bike?) >> * waterproof (substaintially more costs) >> >> 2) How much money would you spend on it? To give you an idea: the PSP >> display with touchscreen can be bought on ebay for ~25$. A case may be >> ~20-30$ for volumes of 100+. > I am interested in a bigger sunlight readable borderless screen and I am > ready to give 100€ (and some beers :D) for that but I don't know if this > price is possible. The fist prototypes are going to be more expenssive, sure. >> >> 3) Last question: are there hardware people interested in >> this? I'm a HW/SW one interested on :) >> >> Please reply here on list with your interest! >> >> Marcus > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > AS i see, The water proof part has a big objection: The touch screen. You need some glass/plastic that protects the LCD & the touch. -- ___ Rafael Campos o0 Methril 0o http://openblog.methril.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
You don't have to set timesources = NONE, but zonesources should. I assume it still acquires the actual time whenever it can if timesources has something in it... Perhaps not, though. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Lightly used FreeRunner for sale
Hi all, I have an extra FreeRunner, purchased from the first batch of Neos delivered to the US. It's very lightly used, with a Zagg Invisible Shield protector on the screen, and comes with an extra (third-party) battery, original packaging, and all of the goodies that it shipped with. I'm parting with the FreeRunner because I'm a poor college student who needs the money for other endeavors. I'm asking for $250 or best offer, which I feel is a reasonable price for the unit, considering it's in rather good condition and still has all the accessories. My specific model has the 900MHz GSM chipset, and is known to work on the local T-Mobile network without any problems. Willing to either meet locally (Rochester, NY) and exchange for cash, or ship anywhere via PayPal payment (buyer pays shipping!). Although I'm sure you're all aware of what it looks like, a picture of mine is available at: http://files.leetcode.net/uploads/2008/09/cimg2923-modified.jpg You can contact me off-list at this email address if you're interested. Cheers all -- John Reese LeetCode.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
Marcus Bauer a écrit : > Hello list, > > Joseph Reeves wrote on his blog about a bicycle app for the Neo [1]. > > I have always wanted to add cycling / sports functions to tangoGPS but > as the LCD is mostly unreadable in sunlight I felt there is little use. > After trying it a couple of times on my bike I soon started to leave > the Neo at home. > > So I wonder about three things for better outdoor use: > > 1) How many of you would be interested in the following hardware > mods: > * sunlight readable LCD > * bigger LCD 3,5"+ Maybe 3.5" is a little bit to big, but I think 3.2" can be realy interesting. Sunlight readable LCD is realy interesting in a lot of case. > * new ruggedized case or rubber shell (including a mean to nicely fix > in on a bike?) > * waterproof (substaintially more costs) > > 2) How much money would you spend on it? To give you an idea: the PSP > display with touchscreen can be bought on ebay for ~25$. A case may be > ~20-30$ for volumes of 100+. I am interested in a bigger sunlight readable borderless screen and I am ready to give 100€ (and some beers :D) for that but I don't know if this price is possible. > > 3) Last question: are there hardware people interested in > this? > > Please reply here on list with your interest! > > Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
Am Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 15:04:27 schrieb Esben Stien: > Miguel Ángel Calderón writes: > > * sunlight readable LCD > > Definitely. This doesn't affect anything, right, other than being more > readable..?!?. I would also like the screen window to be scratch free. > > > * bigger LCD 3,5"+ > > You don't think it would be a little too big Neo, if the current one > is 2 point something?. > > > * new ruggedized case or rubber shell > > I'm all for a steel case, military field use style;). Remember to make > small holes to be able to mount the back to a series of adapters, like > mic stand, DIN mount and a magnet container. Where you would have to consider (as it has been said multiple times afaik) making some plastic parts to let GSM/GPS signals get into the faraday cage... (Hoping that's the correct name) > > * waterproof (substaintially more costs) > > IP67 is how I roll. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
Miguel Ángel Calderón writes: > * sunlight readable LCD Definitely. This doesn't affect anything, right, other than being more readable..?!?. I would also like the screen window to be scratch free. > * bigger LCD 3,5"+ You don't think it would be a little too big Neo, if the current one is 2 point something?. > * new ruggedized case or rubber shell I'm all for a steel case, military field use style;). Remember to make small holes to be able to mount the back to a series of adapters, like mic stand, DIN mount and a magnet container. > * waterproof (substaintially more costs) IP67 is how I roll. -- Esben Stien is b...@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone - the future and help needed
c_c wrote: > Hi, >>> c_c wrote: >>> can someone convert this to edbus? Also - how do I register a callback to >>> be triggered on an incoming call? > >> I've used it just few times, but something like this [2] should work > > Ah! Thanks a lot. I get the idea. You can also get more by looking at the "test" programs available in e_dbus ;) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[om2009]
Hi , I'm new to this list , and actualy I only have my neo GTA2 for a week .. but anyway : Cool STUFF , this paroli and 2009 ! It works far better and is a lot more phone instead of computer like with SHR . The GUI is intuitive , easy to use and clear (white / gray on black ) is exelent contrast ! Once it's booted I also think it's more responsive. Only downside IMHO is the booting time. And maybe get rid of the errors and the boot banner ? Cool work !! /a fan Cheerio's Blokkie ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
On Wednesday 15 April 2009, Marcus Bauer wrote: > Hello list, > > Joseph Reeves wrote on his blog about a bicycle app for the Neo [1]. > > I have always wanted to add cycling / sports functions to tangoGPS but > as the LCD is mostly unreadable in sunlight I felt there is little use. > After trying it a couple of times on my bike I soon started to leave > the Neo at home. I made a bike mount out of polymorph, and put the FR in a ziploc bag if it's going to rain. I can see sunlight readability being a problem as summer approaches though. I haven't got round to external power yet, but have used it in the past for Psion and GPS both from battery (12V used mainly for lights) and dynamo. The Psion has a transreflective screen so it's great in bright sunlight. > So I wonder about three things for better outdoor use: > > 1) How many of you would be interested in the following hardware > mods: > * sunlight readable LCD Yes > * bigger LCD 3,5"+ Maybe, but tweaking the UI for gloved fingers would be good enough for me. I still want to be able to put it in my pocket! > * new ruggedized case or rubber shell (including a mean to nicely fix > in on a bike?) > * waterproof (substaintially more costs) Yes, but I don't see much point in one without the other. And it still needs to fit in my pocket! > 2) How much money would you spend on it? To give you an idea: the PSP > display with touchscreen can be bought on ebay for ~25$. A case may be > ~20-30$ for volumes of 100+. Variable. If it's about the current size, waterproof, daylight readable and doesn't reduce battery life too severely then >100$. > 3) Last question: are there hardware people interested in > this? > > Please reply here on list with your interest! > > Marcus > > [1]http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/racing_myself_a_feature_req >uest ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
Hello Marcus 2009/4/15 Marcus Bauer > > 1) How many of you would be interested in the following hardware > mods: > * sunlight readable LCD > * bigger LCD 3,5"+ > * new ruggedized case or rubber shell (including a mean to nicely fix > in on a bike?) > * waterproof (substaintially more costs) > Those mods look great! But, how could we adapt them to the neo? I think the problem is not the cost but the way of get them running. Do you mean changing the Neo LCD from the 2,8" to another sunlight readable 3,5"? or is it just a shell wearing the Neo? :-m I cannot imagine what's exactly your idea... My opinion is that it's worth it to pay for it but I didn't believe it was possible to get it real. I would like to read a little bit more about the idea. :-) -- Un saludo -- There is no spoon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:22:24 +0100 Joseph Reeves wrote: cal investment required for this? I guess I should go > google "psp screen linux"... >From the same company there is another LCD which is transflective and 3,5", the TD035STEE1. http://www.summitds.com.tw/TPO/eng/business-eng/products&applications-PDA-eng.htm Probably close in the electrical specs to the currently used LCD. Note: the LCD module consists of the LCD and the touchscreen, this is only the LCD. Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
My thoughts exactly Yorick. I'd be very interested in this (I guess I should be! ;-) at the sort of prices Marcus was talking about. What's the technical investment required for this? I guess I should go google "psp screen linux"... Cheers, Joseph 2009/4/15 Yorick Moko : > I'm not actually interested, > but while you are modding: you could maybe also try to get a bigger > battery in there? > or two batteries in parallel? > might be usefull for longer trips... > > y > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Marcus Bauer wrote: >> >> Hello list, >> >> Joseph Reeves wrote on his blog about a bicycle app for the Neo [1]. >> >> I have always wanted to add cycling / sports functions to tangoGPS but >> as the LCD is mostly unreadable in sunlight I felt there is little use. >> After trying it a couple of times on my bike I soon started to leave >> the Neo at home. >> >> So I wonder about three things for better outdoor use: >> >> 1) How many of you would be interested in the following hardware >> mods: >> * sunlight readable LCD >> * bigger LCD 3,5"+ >> * new ruggedized case or rubber shell (including a mean to nicely fix >> in on a bike?) >> * waterproof (substaintially more costs) >> >> 2) How much money would you spend on it? To give you an idea: the PSP >> display with touchscreen can be bought on ebay for ~25$. A case may be >> ~20-30$ for volumes of 100+. >> >> 3) Last question: are there hardware people interested in >> this? >> >> Please reply here on list with your interest! >> >> Marcus >> >> [1]http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/racing_myself_a_feature_request >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
I'm not actually interested, but while you are modding: you could maybe also try to get a bigger battery in there? or two batteries in parallel? might be usefull for longer trips... y On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Marcus Bauer wrote: > > Hello list, > > Joseph Reeves wrote on his blog about a bicycle app for the Neo [1]. > > I have always wanted to add cycling / sports functions to tangoGPS but > as the LCD is mostly unreadable in sunlight I felt there is little use. > After trying it a couple of times on my bike I soon started to leave > the Neo at home. > > So I wonder about three things for better outdoor use: > > 1) How many of you would be interested in the following hardware > mods: > * sunlight readable LCD > * bigger LCD 3,5"+ > * new ruggedized case or rubber shell (including a mean to nicely fix > in on a bike?) > * waterproof (substaintially more costs) > > 2) How much money would you spend on it? To give you an idea: the PSP > display with touchscreen can be bought on ebay for ~25$. A case may be > ~20-30$ for volumes of 100+. > > 3) Last question: are there hardware people interested in > this? > > Please reply here on list with your interest! > > Marcus > > [1]http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/racing_myself_a_feature_request > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
sunlight readable LCD
Hello list, Joseph Reeves wrote on his blog about a bicycle app for the Neo [1]. I have always wanted to add cycling / sports functions to tangoGPS but as the LCD is mostly unreadable in sunlight I felt there is little use. After trying it a couple of times on my bike I soon started to leave the Neo at home. So I wonder about three things for better outdoor use: 1) How many of you would be interested in the following hardware mods: * sunlight readable LCD * bigger LCD 3,5"+ * new ruggedized case or rubber shell (including a mean to nicely fix in on a bike?) * waterproof (substaintially more costs) 2) How much money would you spend on it? To give you an idea: the PSP display with touchscreen can be bought on ebay for ~25$. A case may be ~20-30$ for volumes of 100+. 3) Last question: are there hardware people interested in this? Please reply here on list with your interest! Marcus [1]http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/racing_myself_a_feature_request ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vala-Terminal Black Background
I added new commandline parameters for font color and background color (and for font). Defaults are (still) white text, black background, with liberationmono-font. Newest version 1.1.1-r0.3 Newest code is on git. Newest binary is on opkg.org. Newest instructions are in wiki. Tested with Om2008.12 (works for me) -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tasks Client for FR
Hi ! Yes I saw this too. It is a shame, as syncing is really needed on a mobile device. By the way since last week "dates" and "tasks" are available in the SHR unstable repository. So if you are running Shr unstable, just do *opkg install dates tasks* to instal these apps 2009/4/15 Michael Pilgermann > I remembered that I had had a close look on the website already - and I > just did so again. > > I see two problems here: first of all it is written in C (PISI uses > Python); but nevertheless I think, I could re-use at least some of their > ideas ... > Second: the Sync-part of Pimlico does not progress much ... when checking > the SVN, I noticed that the last entry (in Changelog) is from end of 2006; > other parts are under much higher progress (e.g. Contacts) ... > > So - for coming to an end - I haven't yet contacted the developers; > however, I keep an eye on this project and will try to re-use stuff whenever > possible ... > > Greetings, Mike > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tasks Client for FR
I remembered that I had had a close look on the website already - and I just did so again. I see two problems here: first of all it is written in C (PISI uses Python); but nevertheless I think, I could re-use at least some of their ideas ... Second: the Sync-part of Pimlico does not progress much ... when checking the SVN, I noticed that the last entry (in Changelog) is from end of 2006; other parts are under much higher progress (e.g. Contacts) ... So - for coming to an end - I haven't yet contacted the developers; however, I keep an eye on this project and will try to re-use stuff whenever possible ... Greetings, Mike Original-Nachricht > Datum: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:06:44 +0200 > Von: kimaidou > An: List for Openmoko community discussion > Betreff: Re: Tasks Client for FR > Sorry I have just forgotten : have you contacted the pimlico developpers ? > They already have begun to implement opensync integration. > > Regards > Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
Hello You can add following lines to the /etc/frameworkd.conf file for manualy setting up your localtime: [otimed] timesources = NONE zonesources = NONE with this settings FR would not update timezone from GSM module. 2009/4/15 ivvmm > > This week in SHR was glad to see that editing /etc/timezone and copying > from /usr/share/zoneinfo/smth to /etc/localtime did the trick --- > changed from the London time to what one wanted to. > > But today I did an update/upgrade and it broke again. Now we get EEST > timezone. > > Does anyone know how to fix it? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://lcl.sytes.net:3880 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tasks Client for FR
Sorry I have just forgotten : have you contacted the pimlico developpers ? They already have begun to implement opensync integration. Regards Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tasks Client for FR
Hi My comments follow 2009/4/14 kichkasch > > About PISI - I am one of the developers there and I am happy to read about > all the input for further developments here. > As it looks to me now, there are different options, which probably have > different priorities. I have been pretty much busy with the Contacts part of > PISI; my brother will now start pushing the Calendar part a bit more (after > I will have done some refactoring on this side by the end of this week). > First task there for him will be proper ICS support. There is a Python > library available for doing all the low level files read / write (which I > used sucessfully for VCF files already); so it shouldn't be too much > troubles to come up with a proper implementation. Great news ! I think ics support will allow a lot of things > For the contacts part, I would need some more input for requested data > sources. For now, we support QTopia address book (SQLite, e.g. OM 2008.12), > LDAP Server, VCF files and Google Contacts. Awaiting are: > - opimd support > - SIM card support > - SyncML / Opensync support Synclm (and I suppose Opensync) does not only handle contacts, but all the pim data as calendars, tasks, notes and contacts > > - Online VCF support (just download / upload the file) > - Pimlico / Evolution > > My impression is, that SyncML / Opensync is my next task. I was searching > for some libraries already; and I found two implementations at a very early > stage - I will go and test them soon. I think it is a 'must have' feature if you do not want to re invent the wheel. There are so many different clients for syncml servers (PDA, palm, windows mobile, outlook, thunderbird, webpages, etc.) . Syncml is about to sync both ways. > > The Evolution / Pimlico stuff - I thought would be somehow outdated already > on the Openmoko!? The upcoming 2009 will be opimd?? Well, last time I looked > for it, it had not progressed much behind the initial idea. I think we must let the user choose. This is the power of free softwares. At the moment, opimd does not handle calendar, tasks and notes (I can be wrong) and -no offense to the developpers- we wait for it for quite a long time. If someone has some good news.. On the other side, pimlico already has a calendar and tasks application. I do not think pimlico is outdated but still in early stage. And opimd is not used by all the distributions. For example, Hackable:1 uses the pimlico suite to handle the contacts. I am really glad you and your brother work on this very needed feature for the openmoko ! Thanks a lot > > BTW: Has anybody yet tested PISI on a distribution other than OM 2008.12? I > always tested on this one ... > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/Tasks-Client-for-FR-tp2609094p2635064.html > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > Cheers Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video problems!! Help !
Hi, >IIUC the "window id" passed to mplayer does not have to be >a top-level window. @Stefan Monnier - I was trying something like that - but apparently elementary doesn't cater for embedding windows under a top level window. >thanks for bringing another superb app to the neo! Well, seems like I'm really getting itchy now-a-days! >The problem is that your windows will end up stacked ontop of each other... >There is a way to have absolute control over the window by overriding the >window manager: > EAPI void elm_win_override_set(Evas_Object *obj, Evas_Bool > override); >If you do this, the WM won't touch your window, and you will have to position >and size it yourself. >Not that I know. But what you can do, is to create a second X11 window, with >the override bit set . >Hope this helps... This definitely does help a lot. So what I understand is that I:- 1. Make a main window 2. size it right 3. then make another with the override bit set and position it manually 4. Use one for controls and 1 for video. That should solve the problem. Will try it and post results. Hopefully I can push out an alpha release by the weekend - unless I get stuck elsewhere. >This is really really super slow on the neo, and it might not even work with >mplayer overlay window. Well, if it's even remotely slower - I think I'll prefer the faster solution. I like the FR screen for its resolution and like running it with the software (instead of the software_16) engine for the sheer pleasure of how good it looks. But, the speed sucks. Don't want to add to it. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-video-problems%21%21-Help-%21-tp2632476p2637370.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
