Debuzzing in the UK?

[Dave Smith]

Hi all,

It's been a while since I looked at getting the buzz on my FreeRunner 
fixed up, after having no luck finding anyone with the right equipment 
to be able to perform it amongst local friends and contacts, so I 
figured I'd throw a message out on here to see if anyone can point me in 
the direction of anyone in the United Kingdom who has the tools, time, 
and inclination to perform the fix for me. :)

Has anyone any experience with getting someone in this area performing 
the fix?

Thanks in advance,

Dave

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Re: some questions before buying FreeRunner

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God

Thanks alot fro your attentions and replies .

An important question about GPS signals ,Is not IRAN far from The
satellite that sends signals ?will not signals be weak in Iran ?How
can we be sure that GPS antenna is not needed in open area in Iran ?

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Paul Fertser wrote:
> a dehqan  writes:
>> 4-Do all Bluetooth headsets work with FR ?
>
> AFAICT, no. And i don't know a definitive way to tell which will work
> except to try it or to search the wiki.
But search did not find anything ...would anyone tell his/her experience ?

>> 5-What part of non buzz fixed A6 has buzz ?How can we understand if it
>> is fixed or not ?
>
> All of them. All non-buzz fixed A6 have buzz. It depends on external
> conditions, not on the phone itself.
yes and almost all packages include cable headset that in wiki has
been said they have buzz also ,are they buzz fixed like internal mics
?if not why do they sell it ?
>> 6-Dealer has said that it's A6 FR is buzz fixed ,should i trust ? what
>> can i do if he/she posted it in our country and was not buzz fixed ?
>
> What dealer? How can we tell if you can trust someone if we don't know
> whom are you talking about?
This > http://openmoko.kd85.com/ it's in wiki list .

> 3-Can other car chargers be used to charge FR ?

>Yes, but you need to tell FR (software) to start the charging
So e.g nokia car chargers jack is the same as FR car charger ?

Regards dehqan

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Re: Debuzzing in the UK?

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework

Just as far as your nearest Royal Mail...

BR, Nikolaus

Am 10.06.2009 um 09:08 schrieb Dave Smith:

> Hi all,
>
> It's been a while since I looked at getting the buzz on my FreeRunner
> fixed up, after having no luck finding anyone with the right equipment
> to be able to perform it amongst local friends and contacts, so I
> figured I'd throw a message out on here to see if anyone can point  
> me in
> the direction of anyone in the United Kingdom who has the tools, time,
> and inclination to perform the fix for me. :)
>
> Has anyone any experience with getting someone in this area performing
> the fix?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dave
>
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Re: some questions before buying FreeRunner

[David Reyes Samblas Martinez]

>> 6-Dealer has said that it's A6 FR is buzz fixed ,should i trust ? what
>> can i do if he/she posted it in our country and was not buzz fixed ?
>
> If you can't get a A7 and you want the phone then that's all you can
> do. At least tuxbrain also sells buzzfixed A6 and I'd trust them: if
> the start shipping not-buzzfixed A6 phones claiming they're fixed,
> their sales will go down and I don't think they want it. But if they
> send you a non-buzzfixed even if you ordered a fixed one send them an
> angry e-mail and tell them you'll sue them in IRAN if they will not
> fix your FR. That should do it..
No need to sue any one :P , dehqan, if you buy an A6 buzz fixed I will
send you an A6 buzzfixed, just be sure you buy an Devel Upgraded
Version (A6+) in the webshop.

>> What dealer? How can we tell if you can trust someone if we don't know
>> whom are you talking about?
>This > http://openmoko.kd85.com/ it's in wiki list .
The guy of kd85.com Wim Vandepute is a really good guy, you can trust
any word he said if you had pay for an A6 buzz fixed he will send you
an A6 buzz fixed.

>>> 5-What part of non buzz fixed A6 has buzz ?How can we understand if it
>>> is fixed or not ?
>>
>> All of them. All non-buzz fixed A6 have buzz. It depends on external
>> conditions, not on the phone itself.
>yes and almost all packages include cable headset that in wiki has
>been said they have buzz also ,are they buzz fixed like internal mics
>?if not why do they sell it ?
The buzz is produced only under a call you can still using the headset
for listen to music as example.
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Re: some questions before buying FreeRunner

[Paul Fertser]

a dehqan  writes:
> An important question about GPS signals ,Is not IRAN far from The
> satellite that sends signals ?will not signals be weak in Iran ?How
> can we be sure that GPS antenna is not needed in open area in Iran ?

I think the internal antenna is enough even in Iran ;)

> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Paul Fertser wrote:
>> a dehqan  writes:
>>> 4-Do all Bluetooth headsets work with FR ?
>>
>> AFAICT, no. And i don't know a definitive way to tell which will work
>> except to try it or to search the wiki.
> But search did not find anything ...would anyone tell his/her
> experience ?

The problem with experience is that for some (unknown to me) reasons
many people talk about how good it would be to use a bt headset for
GSM talks but too few seem to actually try it. And it's supported for
more than 2 months in FSO already iirc.

>>> 5-What part of non buzz fixed A6 has buzz ?How can we understand if it
>>> is fixed or not ?
>>
>> All of them. All non-buzz fixed A6 have buzz. It depends on external
>> conditions, not on the phone itself.
> yes and almost all packages include cable headset that in wiki has
> been said they have buzz also ,are they buzz fixed like internal mics
> ?if not why do they sell it ?

Headset can be used to hear to the music or to use headset mic to
record voice notes or for whatever (you might want to utilize headset
button in some creative way). Some people report that in some
conditions buzz is not too much even with a headset so sometimes it's
possible to use it for GSM.

And no FR version that is in shops atm prevents buzz from the headset
mic anyway.

>>> 6-Dealer has said that it's A6 FR is buzz fixed ,should i trust ? what
>>> can i do if he/she posted it in our country and was not buzz fixed ?
>>
>> What dealer? How can we tell if you can trust someone if we don't know
>> whom are you talking about?
> This > http://openmoko.kd85.com/ it's in wiki list .

Ok, i hope others will tell you their experience with him.

>> 3-Can other car chargers be used to charge FR ?
>
>>Yes, but you need to tell FR (software) to start the charging
> So e.g nokia car chargers jack is the same as FR car charger ?

FR has a standard mini-usb receptable.

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Re: Freerunner's Future

[Steve Mosher]

Many thanks to you Christoph,

  I always make a habit of returning to decisions I have played a role 
in to review my thinking and uncover the mistakes I may have made so 
that I can make new ones the next time around. ( hat tip to Werner) I 
like very much your idea of a multi purpose platform.


Christoph Pulster wrote:
>> it started with Sean's Vision. Free the Phone.
> 
> Thanks for the very interesting inside views about your decisions, I  
> really appreciate your way of explaining how things worked out.
> I have to revise my opinion about your marketing strategy in some way.
> "Free your phone" is a nice slogan and idea to archive publicity.
> 
> The big Unknown is and will be the GSM chip which is under NDA.  
> Freerunner may phone the Whitehouse anytime. Without a workaround of GSM  
> the vision of the Free Phone will stay a vision. This is painful to  
> realize, I know :-)
> 
> Again thanks to you,
> Christoph
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Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Christoph Pulster wrote:
> Let us know Plan B. Community will discuss it and this will improve the
> product and this process will create quality news by itself.

Hmm.. I can't remember hearing from anywhere that Project B would have
anything to do with Linux or that it'd be 'open'?

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Re: Mer on OpenMoko devices ?

[Russell Hay]

Hey RzR, as no-one else has replied let me just say this looks fantastic! Of
course, there's no phone stack etc just yet, so where is development
happening on this so I can keep an eye on progress?


Russ


2009/6/9 RzR www.rzr.online.fr 

> Hi,
>
> With previous release of goshawknest (clap clap clap)
>
> I was able to make a demo and to provide a bootable image of mer for
> freerunner
> download it to your sdcard and boot it  Or check video demo at :
>
>
> http://www.newlc.com/en/mer-best-maemo-debianubuntu-mobiles-watch-freerunner-demo
>
> Also:
>
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Hardware/Freerunner#install_.2F_download
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mer
>
> feel free to mirror the file
>
> Regards
>
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Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)

[Steve Mosher]

  Hi,

   I have to quibble a bit here. Any PR firm, including Pat's, is at the 
mercy of the mouthpiece. That's me. Before they release the information 
they look me in the eye and ask me to vouch for the veracity.
Think of them as a messenger. You hand the postman a letter professing
your undying love for a woman.  he delivers the letter. Later, you break 
the woman's heart. Should she shoot the postman who was paid to deliver 
the message? But PR firms do more than simply deliver your message. They 
also help you correct false stories in the press.

WRT wikis as a tool for putting information into the world. I'm not
entirely convinced that a wiki can serve as best tool for every 
situation. This is something I used to teach in rhetoric class.
Every message has a speaker, a channel, an audience and a purpose.
One channel doesn't fit all. So if my purpose is to speak to the press
with the purpose of giving them information that they can re transmit
easily across many other channels, then a press release is a great tool.
We send a press release to a reporter ( press releases are for the press 
) that reporter uses another channel, the phone, to talk to me. He's got
the release in his hands, I've got it in mine. We do an interview, live.
he questions me. listens to my answers. Pushes hard on me. It's hard
to do that in today's version of the wiki, which is really a non real 
time, consensus version of the truth. the interview, well that's very 
often "thunderdome" two men enter, one man leaves. It's a "best man 
wins" version of the truth. When it comes down to it, I tend to be
a pragmatist. If a wiki proves to be the best tool for the job, use a 
wiki. If a blog gets it done, blogit. Does a tweet work to get the
thing done? then tweet. phone call? email? press release? these all
are various species of the thing we call communication. not to mention
winks, nods, coughs, and twirling your hair between your fingers.

WRT plan B or any other product at OM, Sean and the design team will
announce they decide the time is right. It's not for me to pre-empt that.


Christoph Pulster wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> 
> thanks for explaining the way PR with PatMeier works.
> It was a mistake by myself to approve some quotes in the realeases about  
> Pulster, so blame it on me.
> In general I still believe PatMeier & Co. style of public relations and  
> philosophy of Openmoko doenst match. PR is a paid service to put non- 
> objective informations into the world. This is the opposite of community  
> based and managed information (Wiki).
> 
> Now as Openmoko deceide to put the future of GTA02 in the hands of the  
> community, I suggest to open communication also in radical OPEN way.
> Let us know Plan B. Community will discuss it and this will improve the  
> product and this process will create quality news by itself.
> 
> Christoph
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Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]

[David Reyes Samblas Martinez]

2009/6/10 Risto H. Kurppa :
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Christoph Pulster 
> wrote:
>> Let us know Plan B. Community will discuss it and this will improve the
>> product and this process will create quality news by itself.
>
> Hmm.. I can't remember hearing from anywhere that Project B would have
> anything to do with Linux or that it'd be 'open'?
In fact, apart of the seconds Sean show it on San Francisco
conference, there is any more info about project B?
So let's start a game just for fun to if any one of us will be able to
know what the hell is this devices:
from the video we can state,
It has a screen
it has a button (maybe a direction pad)
it can be holded in one hand.
..
I vote some kind of wireless low cost tablet
>
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Re: OpenBmap

[Christian Gagneraud]

Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  > wrote:
[...]
> I did a big upload yesterday (52 log files) and unfortunately I let it 
> delete the processed ones (After the "Successfully uploaded (52) log 
> files" dialog). "Unfortunately" because I haven't seen my 
> username("lambdacomplex")/cells on the stats page or the twitter or on 
> the map yet so I worry they have been lost in the abyss. Does it say 
> anywhere what the delay/process is to get the cells onto the maps?

in tour $HOME/.openBmap/Logs, i think there's an archive directory 
(ProcessedLog or similar).

Chris

> 
> The website could use some more features like that - some way to login 
> to be able to change/recover your password and a way to see what you've 
> uploaded. Cellhunter of course gives you instantanious confirmation in 
> the form of points
> 
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Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:39 PM, David Reyes Samblas
Martinez wrote:
> 2009/6/10 Risto H. Kurppa :
> In fact, apart of the seconds Sean show it on San Francisco
> conference, there is any more info about project B?
> So let's start a game just for fun to if any one of us will be able to
> know what the hell is this devices:
> from the video we can state,
> It has a screen
> it has a button (maybe a direction pad)
> it can be holded in one hand.
> ..

> I vote some kind of wireless low cost tablet

A bit difficult to believe as OM let all software developers (well
what do we know.. at least people working with Freerunner..) go -> I
wouldn't expect much software in it. OTOH yes, it looks like a small
tablet or something. Someone suggested a hair straightener with wlan -
before we saw the video :).

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Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]

[Yorick Moko]

could you give a link to that video again please?

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:39 AM, David Reyes Samblas
Martinez wrote:
> 2009/6/10 Risto H. Kurppa :
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Christoph Pulster 
>> wrote:
>>> Let us know Plan B. Community will discuss it and this will improve the
>>> product and this process will create quality news by itself.
>>
>> Hmm.. I can't remember hearing from anywhere that Project B would have
>> anything to do with Linux or that it'd be 'open'?
> In fact, apart of the seconds Sean show it on San Francisco
> conference, there is any more info about project B?
> So let's start a game just for fun to if any one of us will be able to
> know what the hell is this devices:
> from the video we can state,
> It has a screen
> it has a button (maybe a direction pad)
> it can be holded in one hand.
> ..
> I vote some kind of wireless low cost tablet
>>
>> r
>>
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Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]

[David Reyes Samblas Martinez]

2009/6/10 Risto H. Kurppa :
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:39 PM, David Reyes Samblas
> Martinez wrote:
>> 2009/6/10 Risto H. Kurppa :
>> In fact, apart of the seconds Sean show it on San Francisco
>> conference, there is any more info about project B?
>> So let's start a game just for fun to if any one of us will be able to
>> know what the hell is this devices:
>> from the video we can state,
>> It has a screen
>> it has a button (maybe a direction pad)
>> it can be holded in one hand.
>> ..
>
>> I vote some kind of wireless low cost tablet
>
> A bit difficult to believe as OM let all software developers (well
> what do we know.. at least people working with Freerunner..) go -> I
> wouldn't expect much software in it. OTOH yes, it looks like a small
> tablet or something. Someone suggested a hair straightener with wlan -
> before we saw the video :).
Ok then
Projet B gessing game
-
*Hair straightener with WLAN (1)
*Cheap wireless tablet (1)

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Re: Project B guessing game

[Damian Spriggs]

I'm going to guess that it's an end user programable version of one of  
these:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/b278/
Because we all know how good they are at making electronics that  
produce an annoying noise :)


On Jun 10, 2009, at 5:39 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:

> It has a screen
> it has a button (maybe a direction pad)
> it can be holded in one hand.
> ..
> I vote some kind of wireless low cost tablet


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Re: Project B guessing game

[Ed Kapitein]

just another buzzer ?




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[OM2009] Couple of troubles

[ivanshirok...@gmail.com]

Hello. Yesterday I've flashed new testing image of OM2009. Must say it 
works pretty good.

But I've got a couple of problems:

1) Can't use Internet.
It successfully connects to bouth of my wifi routers, acquires DNS 
servers so I can see them in /etc/resolv.conf.
But I cant ping any of internet addresses.
Even IP addresses =(

2) I've set alternative rendering method in illume (in advanced setup 
options) and now it crashes on load. Can I fix it without reflashing FS?

3) And something wrong with yesterdays Qi build =)
When I'm trying to load to NAND AUX led lights for a second while 
vibrator runs and then nothing happens.
The only way to load is through NOR or to connect to USB (FR starts to 
load when USB connected).

Except from all of that, extremly slow interface and too long loading 
time - great image. Many thanks =)

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Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]

[David Reyes Samblas Martinez]

Project B guessing game
 -
* Hair straightener with WLAN. (1)
* Cheap wireless tablet. (1)
* Open Hardware programable Annoy-a-tron 2.0[1] like. (1)

[1]http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/b278/

2009/6/10 David Reyes Samblas Martinez :
> 2009/6/10 Risto H. Kurppa :
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:39 PM, David Reyes Samblas
>> Martinez wrote:
>>> 2009/6/10 Risto H. Kurppa :
>>> In fact, apart of the seconds Sean show it on San Francisco
>>> conference, there is any more info about project B?
>>> So let's start a game just for fun to if any one of us will be able to
>>> know what the hell is this devices:
>>> from the video we can state,
>>> It has a screen
>>> it has a button (maybe a direction pad)
>>> it can be holded in one hand.
>>> ..
>>
>>> I vote some kind of wireless low cost tablet
>>
>> A bit difficult to believe as OM let all software developers (well
>> what do we know.. at least people working with Freerunner..) go -> I
>> wouldn't expect much software in it. OTOH yes, it looks like a small
>> tablet or something. Someone suggested a hair straightener with wlan -
>> before we saw the video :).
> Ok then
> Projet B gessing game
> -
> *Hair straightener with WLAN (1)
> *Cheap wireless tablet (1)
>
>>
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Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli

[tammaro "pamdirac" palombo]

wow!

I like the settings button on screen (I don't like more the use of the AUX
Button, I think that is not much intuitive).

According to me another good thing is possibility to switch to the illume
desktop by sliding the "time bar" from right to left.

great work!

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:37 AM, pike  wrote:

> Hi
>
> > Hey great! All 'design guidelines' and things like that are great! I'd
> > like you to explain more of what's happening in the screenshots. Tell
> > what is new, why have you done it, what's the thinking behind it etc.
>
> I find it more easier to explain using pictures :-)
> Got a graphic mind I guess.
>
> Take a look at
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Bab-1.2-3screens.png
>
> Any good interface has it's on "Rythm & Rhyme". On
> a single screen, your eye will catch the hidden grid
> and swerve around primary and secondary options in
> a split second. This works subliminally - you wouldn't
> even notice, but this is what makes an interface
> 'feel good'. This is even more true for phones, small
> screen, use it with one eye and one finger in a busy
> environment .. and between screens, your memory will
> recognize changes in that "Rythm and Rhyme", too. Yes,
> a good interface is much like a poem, or a piece of
> music :-)
>
> .. so I was trying to find a grid, a basic layout,
> that fits all purposes. At the same time, this grid
> should be numberfriendly, as it has to be programmed
> in edje. You need "a few classes" of fonts, not a
> new font on every page. Same with colors, shades, etc.
>
> So that's basicly what this was
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:BAB-List-default-1.0-grid.png
> .. but it's already outdated :-)
>
> Such a grid should include whatever options
> you might think of in the future - dialogs, extra
> buttons, etc .. so that's basicly this
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:BAB-List-default-1.0.png
>
> For example, this "big blocker bar" (a modal dialog) is not
> actually used anywhere, but if it *would* be, it should be
> there (there is a modal dialog in the "dial" and
> when "sending" an sms, btw). Same for the "informational
> bar" - a thing that should hide itself once you touch the
> screen imho - its not used anywhere - but if it would
> be, it should be right there. And hey, it could say
> "52 messages, 4 unread", for an instance, couldnt it ? :-)
>
>  > what is new
>
> As little as possible :-D
> But, as I'm sketching and using the phone, a few things
> are indeed new and needed imho.
>
> - The "next", "back" paradigm doesnt really work for
>   me. I want to know *what* "next" is. "back" is not
>   always where I came from. And above that, I don't
>   always know where I am (this happens particularly
>   in the settings, currently). So I've changed "back"
>   and "next" to a virtual "path" and an "action".
>   There could be more actions, actually (eg in sms|read,
>   you can "delete" and "reply" a message). If you
>   click on an action, that should become part of
>   your path in the next screen. For example, if
>   you are in "Setting | Wifi", the main action is
>   "Scan". In the next screen, the path should be
>   "Settings | Wifi | Scan". Action and Paths are
>   CamelCased.
>
>
> - the "panel" (the top bar) should be removed in all
>   screens if we are in windowed mode imho, because you now
>   get two rows of similar icons. Ergo, there can be
>   nothing essential in Paroli's panel that's not in the
>   Illume panel. And hence, you need a different button
>   to "close" a paroli app (like "msgs") when you are
>   not in full screen - because the clock should not be here.
>   In fact, it should look like a "close" button: if you tap
>   around Illume, you will find the "chooser" is still
>   hanging around and not responding until you "close"
>   the other screen.
>   So that's what the funny circle is in the 3rd image at
>   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:BAB-List-default-1.0.png
>   , a 'close button'.
>   I also think the main screen, the launcher, should
>   indicate it's waiting for the other app to quit. It
>   would not harm if you are in fullscreen (since you won't see
>   it) and it would be very beneficial in windowed mode.
>   I have a screenshot of that, here ..
>
> - If you look at
>   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Bab-1.2-3screens.png
>   you'll see there are more ideas - and I have still more
>   on paper. Most of them are optional. But I understand,
>   doing something like what I sketched in the Launcher
>   requires changing the whole way it works (in Python),
>   not just changing edje files :-|
>
>   The most important thing is, I think, I differentiate
>   between "primary" and "secondary" options:
>
>   The screen is divided in lines.
>
>   Each line can only have one primary, big, white, option.
>   If you click it, the background color of the whole line
>   quickly hilites before the screen changes.
>
>   A line can have several secondary (small, grey, lowercased)
>   options. If you click it, only t

Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

A handheld beamer for your next presentation...


Am 10.06.2009 um 11:39 schrieb David Reyes Samblas Martinez:

> It has a screen
> it has a button (maybe a direction pad)
> it can be holded in one hand.
> ..
> I vote some kind of wireless low cost tablet


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Re: Mokomapper.py: Script for easy OSM mapping on the road: mokomapper.py

[Leonardo de Virgilio]

I was writing something like that, but for the lacking of spare time
I've interrupted... my script in PyGtk was able to export tags
directly in .osm format, and used a little database to store tags
(with a feature to add/remove tags).

I think we could use this as a starting point... I'll try to see the
code in my future spare time ;)

Thanks for the link :D
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2009/6/8 kimaidou :
> Hi !
> First thanks to pavel and to you Risto for bringing this up !
>
> Some ideas: we should create a wiki page for this, to gather all the ideas
> given here.
> My fist impression :
> * we need some icons for each button to help finding the things
> * I think it is a good start, but why not ask for any osm mapper and try to
> redefine all the hierarchy. I think for this a tool as freemind is the best
> : easy and quick. I am not saying the hierarchy used is wrong, but I think
> we should take the chance to have a discussion on it while trying it
>
> Ok, here the wiki page I created :
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomapper
>
> Let's talk and improve it :D
>
> Kimaidou
>
> 2009/6/8 Risto H. Kurppa 
>>
>> Ok, sending again to get pavel's e-mail address right this time..
>>
>> Hi there!
>>
>> There was a discussion about easy openstreetmap mapping with
>> Freerunner on the road.
>>
>> I found mokomapper
>> (http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup)
>> some months ago (=I didn't write it, Pavel did (CC'd this mail to him))
>> and mentioned it in the thread. Someone requested some screenshots so
>> here you are: http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/mokomapper/ The readme file
>> also has some output log of the script. I think the output is not in
>> valid OSM format because of the broken GPS connection (maybe, I don't
>> know..).
>>
>> I don't know how to use the app or how to import the stuff to OSM but
>> to me it looks like it really is going to the right direction. It
>> allows you easily to pinpoint road to left, road to right, different
>> types of roads, crossroads etc etc and I'd think you could add some
>> more items there quite easily since it's a simple python script..
>>
>> So if there's anyone with some python skills, it'd be great to give
>> some love to this script so we all could easily do OSM mapping with
>> only FR around.
>>
>> To use:
>> wget
>> http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?revision=1.4
>> -O mokomapper.py
>> chmod 755 mokomapper.py
>> DISPLAY=:0 ./mokomapper.py
>>
>> Enjoy your freedom!
>>
>> r
>>
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[QtMoko] New debian images

[Radek Polak]

Hi Guys,
i have created new QtMoko images on debian rootfs. You can find them
together with some info on my site [1].

These images should give you:
- full debian system (over ssh)
- working calls/sms
- working gprs
- usable media player
- and lot of more features

In this new image QT was upgraded to version 4.5.1 and with attached
patch i have fixed the missing virtual keyboard in password fields. You
can find sources in my git branch qt451.

Another thing is qmplayer - media player that can play ogg/mp3/avi files
but is also able to download or stream media from PC. You can find more
info on qmplayer homepage [2].

Kernel is now based on packaging config. The kernel size is now under
2MB so it can be booted with u-boot.

We have also new logo [3] (thanks to my wife).

My plan for future is to merge other's GIT's - i am running build right
now, so we'll see if that worked :)

On the experimenting front - i was able to run TangoGPS and other X apps
via vnc. It was quite slow and mouse dragging wanst working, but still
quite usable.

Btw is anyone planning to release ready-to-flash QtMoko images for FSO?
I see there is just install script, but i would like to have image that
can be just flashed and booted.

Cheers

Radek


[1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/
[2] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qmplayer/
[3] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/qtmoko.svg
diff --git a/qtopiacore/qt/src/gui/widgets/qlineedit.cpp 
b/qtopiacore/qt/src/gui/widgets/qlineedit.cpp
index 70c7d5c..2aea5b7 100644
--- a/qtopiacore/qt/src/gui/widgets/qlineedit.cpp
+++ b/qtopiacore/qt/src/gui/widgets/qlineedit.cpp
@@ -98,7 +98,7 @@ extern void qt_mac_secure_keyboard(bool); 
//qapplication_mac.cpp
 static inline bool shouldEnableInputMethod(QLineEdit *lineedit)
 {
 const QLineEdit::EchoMode mode = lineedit->echoMode();
-return !lineedit->isReadOnly() && (mode == QLineEdit::Normal || mode == 
QLineEdit::PasswordEchoOnEdit);
+return !lineedit->isReadOnly();// && (mode == QLineEdit::Normal || mode == 
QLineEdit::PasswordEchoOnEdit);
 }
 
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Re: [QtMoko] New debian images

[Fabio Locati]

2009/6/10 Radek Polak :
> Hi Guys,
> i have created new QtMoko images on debian rootfs. You can find them
> together with some info on my site [1].
>
> These images should give you:
> - full debian system (over ssh)
> - working calls/sms
> - working gprs
> - usable media player
> - and lot of more features
>
> In this new image QT was upgraded to version 4.5.1 and with attached
> patch i have fixed the missing virtual keyboard in password fields. You
> can find sources in my git branch qt451.
Cool, I'm going to merge from you :)
> Another thing is qmplayer - media player that can play ogg/mp3/avi files
> but is also able to download or stream media from PC. You can find more
> info on qmplayer homepage [2].
>
> Kernel is now based on packaging config. The kernel size is now under
> 2MB so it can be booted with u-boot.
>
> We have also new logo [3] (thanks to my wife).
>
> My plan for future is to merge other's GIT's - i am running build right
> now, so we'll see if that worked :)
>
> On the experimenting front - i was able to run TangoGPS and other X apps
> via vnc. It was quite slow and mouse dragging wanst working, but still
> quite usable.
>
> Btw is anyone planning to release ready-to-flash QtMoko images for FSO?
> I see there is just install script, but i would like to have image that
> can be just flashed and booted.
Yes, working on;)
> Cheers
>
> Radek
>
>
> [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/
> [2] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qmplayer/
> [3] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/qtmoko.svg
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Re: Paroli introduction video

[Alexander Shulgin]

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Laszlo
KREKACS wrote:
>
> http://www.vimeo.com/5029019
>
> Feedbacks?

It would be really nice if someone could repost it to youtube.  I
can't watch the video from that site on my Ubuntu 9.04 with up-to-date
Firefox & Gnash.

Or am I the only one to have this problem?

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Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]

[NeilBrown]

On Wed, June 10, 2009 8:18 pm, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> Project B guessing game
>  -
> * Hair straightener with WLAN. (1)
> * Cheap wireless tablet. (1)
> * Open Hardware programable Annoy-a-tron 2.0[1] like. (1)
>
> [1]http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/b278/

In the same breath as introducing Project B, Sean mentioned his
surprise at finding out how keen the "embedded community" were to get
a toy to develop on.

So I think it is a a touchscreen/cpu/bluetooth device that can
be used as a user-interface to any blue-tooth enabled tool
(phone, gps, whatever) and the target market is embedded devlopers
who want a cheap and open platform to do development on.
So:

   * Bluetooth enabled touch screen

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Re: Paroli introduction video

[Jan Vlug]

> It would be really nice if someone could repost it to youtube.  I
> can't watch the video from that site on my Ubuntu 9.04 with up-to-date
> Firefox & Gnash.

I've the same problem on Fedora 10.


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Re: [openwrt] some issues..

[xChris]

Hi Mirko,

Thanx, I will waiting for the updated versions!

I got this error:

cp: cannot stat
`/home/chris/Emulators/openmoko/openwrt/build_dir/target-arm_uClibc-0.9.30.1/paroli-20090227/ipkg-install/../usr/share/paroli/applications/tele/tele.edj':
No such file or directory
make[3]: ***
[/home/chris/Emulators/openmoko/openwrt/bin/packages/target-arm_uClibc-0.9.30.1/paroli_20090227-1_arm.ipk]
Error 1

chris


Mirko Vogt wrote:
> 
> ...
> right now a very early version of paroli is packaged.
> We're working on getting a recent version packaged and I think it will 
> be commited within the next days.
> There's work going on related to the Openmoko-stuff right now on lot's 
> of parts in trunk, so it might be possible that some upgrades/changes 
> break/broke older parts (in this case it might be paroli) which are 
> going to be upgraded later anyway.
> ..
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Re: Project B guessing game

[jeremy jozwik]

an open hardware version of openvibe?

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Ed Kapitein  wrote:

> just another buzzer ?
>
>
>
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Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli

[pike]

Hi

> I like the settings button on screen (I don't like more the use of the 
> AUX Button, I think that is not much intuitive).

That's easy, actually. Edit 
/usr/share/paroli/Applications/Settings/settings.py
to change "category" to "launcher". I did that,
and it works.


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Re: [OM2009] Couple of troubles

[ivanshirok...@gmail.com]

ivanshirok...@gmail.com пишет:
> Hello. Yesterday I've flashed new testing image of OM2009. Must say it 
> works pretty good.
>
> But I've got a couple of problems:
>
> 1) Can't use Internet.
> It successfully connects to bouth of my wifi routers, acquires DNS 
> servers so I can see them in /etc/resolv.conf.
> But I cant ping any of internet addresses.
> Even IP addresses =(
>
> 2) I've set alternative rendering method in illume (in advanced setup 
> options) and now it crashes on load. Can I fix it without reflashing FS?
>
> 3) And something wrong with yesterdays Qi build =)
> When I'm trying to load to NAND AUX led lights for a second while 
> vibrator runs and then nothing happens.
> The only way to load is through NOR or to connect to USB (FR starts to 
> load when USB connected).
I was wrong about Qi =) I thought it will work just like u-boot. My fault.
>
> Except from all of that, extremly slow interface and too long loading 
> time - great image. Many thanks =)


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Re: [OM2009] Couple of troubles

[Steven Le Roux]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:17 PM, ivanshirok...@gmail.com <
ivanshirok...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello. Yesterday I've flashed new testing image of OM2009. Must say it
> works pretty good.
> ...



>
> 2) I've set alternative rendering method in illume (in advanced setup
> options) and now it crashes on load. Can I fix it without reflashing FS?


I experienced the same ;)

I am a e17 user on my desktop so I know you can change your engine with :
enlightenment_remote -engine-set 
where  can be SOFTWARE or XRENDER. (maybe SAFTWARE16 too on FR... you
can know it with -engine-list )

my pb is I don't have networking with om2009 yet :) s I can't set it up :)




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Re: [OM2009] Couple of troubles

[Xavier Cremaschi]

> It successfully connects to bouth of my wifi routers, acquires DNS 
> servers so I can see them in /etc/resolv.conf.
> But I cant ping any of internet addresses.
> Even IP addresses =(

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Re: Help requested: SHR Screenshots

[KaZeR]

You can also find some sshots here :
http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/On_Screen_Display

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Re: [OM2009] Couple of troubles

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Xavier Cremaschi пишет:
>> It successfully connects to bouth of my wifi routers, acquires DNS 
>> servers so I can see them in /etc/resolv.conf.
>> But I cant ping any of internet addresses.
>> Even IP addresses =(
>> 
>
> Check your routes (route -n), I think the source of your problem is there
>   
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Re: [OM2009] Couple of troubles

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Steven Le Roux пишет:
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:17 PM, ivanshirok...@gmail.com 
>   > wrote:
>
> Hello. Yesterday I've flashed new testing image of OM2009. Must say it
> works pretty good.
> ...
>
>  
>
>
> 2) I've set alternative rendering method in illume (in advanced setup
> options) and now it crashes on load. Can I fix it without
> reflashing FS?
>
>
> I experienced the same ;)
>
> I am a e17 user on my desktop so I know you can change your engine 
> with :  enlightenment_remote -engine-set 
> where  can be SOFTWARE or XRENDER. (maybe SAFTWARE16 too on FR... 
> you can know it with -engine-list )
So I need just to connect via SSH over USB. Thanks - I'll try that.
>
> my pb is I don't have networking with om2009 yet :) s I can't set it up :)
Actually that was really easy to set up everithing with paroli.
Unfortunatually something went wrong.
I'll write here if I find a sollution.
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Re: Mer on OpenMoko devices ?

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Cool stuff. Next step: Stick the FSO middleware beneath and work on some apps 
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Re: Freerunner's Future

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

On Wednesday 10 June 2009 09:59:00 Christoph Pulster wrote:
> > it started with Sean's Vision. Free the Phone.
>
> Thanks for the very interesting inside views about your decisions, I
> really appreciate your way of explaining how things worked out.
> I have to revise my opinion about your marketing strategy in some way.
> "Free your phone" is a nice slogan and idea to archive publicity.
>
> The big Unknown is and will be the GSM chip which is under NDA.
> Freerunner may phone the Whitehouse anytime.

Even if it could (power control is under the AP's control), it would not be 
able to tell something, since the audio path is as well under the application 
processor's control...

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Re: [QtMoko] New debian images

[HouYu Li]

Cool! Bravo!

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Fabio Locati  wrote:

> 2009/6/10 Radek Polak :
> > Hi Guys,
> > i have created new QtMoko images on debian rootfs. You can find them
> > together with some info on my site [1].
> >
> > These images should give you:
> > - full debian system (over ssh)
> > - working calls/sms
> > - working gprs
> > - usable media player
> > - and lot of more features
> >
> > In this new image QT was upgraded to version 4.5.1 and with attached
> > patch i have fixed the missing virtual keyboard in password fields. You
> > can find sources in my git branch qt451.
> Cool, I'm going to merge from you :)
> > Another thing is qmplayer - media player that can play ogg/mp3/avi files
> > but is also able to download or stream media from PC. You can find more
> > info on qmplayer homepage [2].
> >
> > Kernel is now based on packaging config. The kernel size is now under
> > 2MB so it can be booted with u-boot.
> >
> > We have also new logo [3] (thanks to my wife).
> >
> > My plan for future is to merge other's GIT's - i am running build right
> > now, so we'll see if that worked :)
> >
> > On the experimenting front - i was able to run TangoGPS and other X apps
> > via vnc. It was quite slow and mouse dragging wanst working, but still
> > quite usable.
> >
> > Btw is anyone planning to release ready-to-flash QtMoko images for FSO?
> > I see there is just install script, but i would like to have image that
> > can be just flashed and booted.
> Yes, working on;)
> > Cheers
> >
> > Radek
> >
> >
> > [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/
> > [2] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qmplayer/
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Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]

[Werner Almesberger]

David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> * Open Hardware programable Annoy-a-tron 2.0[1] like. (1)
> 
> [1]http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/b278/

Sean actually likes pranks very much :-)

(Sadly, I never managed to goad anyone into trying the inverted
coffee cup prank on him, and when I finally got to Taipei again,
I had already forgotten about and Openmoko had tables with which
it wouldn't have worked.)

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Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM, pike wrote:
> Hi
>
>> I like the settings button on screen (I don't like more the use of the
>> AUX Button, I think that is not much intuitive).
>
> That's easy, actually. Edit
> /usr/share/paroli/Applications/Settings/settings.py
> to change "category" to "launcher". I did that,
> and it works.

To be more specific, it's /usr/share/paroli/applications/settings/settings.py

I can't believe how simple this is.

Awesome, thanks pike for this!! I really think you should create a new
theme for us (as you seem to know some of the tricks there already :)

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Re: Mokomapper.py: Script for easy OSM mapping on the road: mokomapper.py

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Leonardo de
Virgilio wrote:
> I was writing something like that, but for the lacking of spare time
> I've interrupted... my script in PyGtk was able to export tags
> directly in .osm format, and used a little database to store tags
> (with a feature to add/remove tags).
>
> I think we could use this as a starting point... I'll try to see the
> code in my future spare time ;)

Great to hear!

It'd be great if the app could directly export .osm format.

Do you have any screenshots or any code somewhere so others could have
a look at your code?

Thanks!

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Re: Freerunner's Future

[Werner Almesberger]

Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
> Scope:   What will our mission statement be?  Is the foundation just
> to support the gta02-core project,

Just a quick remark: please don't concentrate too much on
gta02-core when planning organizational structures for the
future.

The focus of gta02-core is not on making the next big phone but
on opening the process. The few pieces of hardware gta02-core
is planned to produce would be a proof of concept that we've
succeeded to meet that specific goal but they will likely be of
little practical interest to anyone who is looking for a
substantial improvement on the GTA02 as a day to day phone.

Once gta02-core is complete, there are several paths that could
lead to a mass-produced phone. Some could be very quick, others
quite slow. Mass-producing a phone requires a lot of money, so
at that stage, the direction would also depend on the goals of
investors or sponsors and on an assessment of the target
markets.

An organisational structure should allow us to keep assets
across projects. This will also encourage keeping technical
projects small and focused.

I use gta02-core as a reference when discussion specific needs,
because of the project's narrow scope. If a plan doesn't work
for gta02-core, it probably doesn't work at all. But a plan
that only works for gta02-core wouldn't be much better either.

- Werner

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Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support

[Yorick Moko]

One thing I don't understand:
intone with a2dp: mplayer usage around 40% and sometimes spikes to
everything available (80-85%) ==> no fluent playback
intone without a2dp: 12% cpu ==> fluent playback

how come?

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:17 AM, The Digital
Pioneer wrote:
> If you do implement this in Intone (I see the merits of having it as a
> system-wide option, but then, how many apps are playing sound at one time?),
> beware that if the bluetooth headset refuses to pair, or if the bluetooth
> chip is turned off, mplayer freezes and Intone does too. I have to kill them
> both manually. So be sure to power on the BT chip before playing music with
> it. Also, you have to beware that the headset may not pair with the phone
> automatically, it may require authentication. mplayer won't handle that, and
> will lock up. Of course, it's not Intone's job to do this either, but I
> would like to see Intone run (and close) even when mplayer locks, and
> preferably Intone could kill mplayer when it exits if mplayer is locked.
>
> I hope that all made sense, I'm a bit tired right now. :P
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Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support

[Michael Sheldon]

Yorick Moko wrote:
> One thing I don't understand:
> intone with a2dp: mplayer usage around 40% and sometimes spikes to
> everything available (80-85%) ==> no fluent playback
> intone without a2dp: 12% cpu ==> fluent playback
> 
> how come?

 Well the a2dp stuff seems to be fairly cpu intensive, presumably
because it's having to performing sbc encoding before sending the audio
to the device (most devices support direct streaming of mp3 data but I
don't think this is possible with mplayer, it is with gstreamer though).
You should still be able to get reasonable mp3 playback, you won't get
acceptable ogg playback though, as the combination of a2dp and ogg
decoding appears to be too much for the cpu to handle.

 If you're getting very choppy playback with mp3s and you're using
bluez4 then try running "hciconfig hci0 lm master; hciconfig hci0 lp
hold,sniff,park" after starting the bluetooth daemon.

Cheers,
 Mike.

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Re: Mokomapper.py: Script for easy OSM mapping on the road: mokomapper.py

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Hi Risto :)

I've not released it because I've written it in my spare time, and
it's the highest form of spaghetti-code
I've ever wrote :D

I'm a cultural heritage scientist, not a developer, and in my latest
coding session (more or less 3 months ago)
I've broken the code and it won't work anymore. In that state of
development worked all except coordinates
checking from GPS. In the actual state, the GUI doesn't work anymore :(

So, I need some time to find the error and implement coordinates catching... :|

I know my coding situation, and I grant you (and to all the community)
that - as my 1st experiment with
PyGtk - now it should me more convenient to write something from
scratch than debugging my spaghetti
code application.

Good news: I'll applicate on that during summer, I'll release
something when it'll be near to work or to get something usable :D

Thanks :)

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2009/6/10 Risto H. Kurppa :
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Leonardo de
> Virgilio wrote:
>> I was writing something like that, but for the lacking of spare time
>> I've interrupted... my script in PyGtk was able to export tags
>> directly in .osm format, and used a little database to store tags
>> (with a feature to add/remove tags).
>>
>> I think we could use this as a starting point... I'll try to see the
>> code in my future spare time ;)
>
> Great to hear!
>
> It'd be great if the app could directly export .osm format.
>
> Do you have any screenshots or any code somewhere so others could have
> a look at your code?
>
> Thanks!
>
> r
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Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support

[The Digital Pioneer]

I play oggs with intone/a2dp, but I have to renice mplayer to -19 to keep it
smooth. It still cuts occasionally, but that could just be connectivity.
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Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]

[Michael Tansella]

On Wednesday 10 June 2009 11:57:51 Yorick Moko wrote:
> could you give a link to that video again please?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFuwhPXYxxI
at 18:37

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Re: [QtMoko] New debian images

[Vinzenz Hersche]

yeah, it's a great version, really like it :D
it's all just fine, but i couldn't import a ics-file to the calender.. hope, 
this is fixed soon, would be great :)
Am Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 15.34:18 schrieb HouYu Li:
> Cool! Bravo!
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Fabio Locati  wrote:
> > 2009/6/10 Radek Polak :
> > > Hi Guys,
> > > i have created new QtMoko images on debian rootfs. You can find them
> > > together with some info on my site [1].
> > >
> > > These images should give you:
> > > - full debian system (over ssh)
> > > - working calls/sms
> > > - working gprs
> > > - usable media player
> > > - and lot of more features
> > >
> > > In this new image QT was upgraded to version 4.5.1 and with attached
> > > patch i have fixed the missing virtual keyboard in password fields. You
> > > can find sources in my git branch qt451.
> >
> > Cool, I'm going to merge from you :)
> >
> > > Another thing is qmplayer - media player that can play ogg/mp3/avi
> > > files but is also able to download or stream media from PC. You can
> > > find more info on qmplayer homepage [2].
> > >
> > > Kernel is now based on packaging config. The kernel size is now under
> > > 2MB so it can be booted with u-boot.
> > >
> > > We have also new logo [3] (thanks to my wife).
> > >
> > > My plan for future is to merge other's GIT's - i am running build right
> > > now, so we'll see if that worked :)
> > >
> > > On the experimenting front - i was able to run TangoGPS and other X
> > > apps via vnc. It was quite slow and mouse dragging wanst working, but
> > > still quite usable.
> > >
> > > Btw is anyone planning to release ready-to-flash QtMoko images for FSO?
> > > I see there is just install script, but i would like to have image that
> > > can be just flashed and booted.
> >
> > Yes, working on;)
> >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Radek
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/
> > > [2] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qmplayer/
> > > [3] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/qtmoko.svg
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some questions before buying FreeRunner

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God

Thanks fro every body attentions ;

another important question ;
Is this 
PDFenough
to fix buzz ?

>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Paul Fertser
wrote:
>>> a dehqan  writes:
 4-Do all Bluetooth headsets work with FR ?
>>>
>>> AFAICT, no. And i don't know a definitive way to tell which will work
>>> except to try it or to search the wiki.
>> But search did not find anything ...would anyone tell his/her
>> experience ?
>
> The problem with experience is that for some (unknown to me) reasons
> many people talk about how good it would be to use a bt headset for
> GSM talks but too few seem to actually try it. And it's supported for
> more than 2 months in FSO already iirc.
Anyone had bluetooth headset ?which brand ?

 5-What part of non buzz fixed A6 has buzz ?How can we understand if it
 is fixed or not ?
>>>
> Headset can be used to hear to the music or to use headset mic to
> record voice notes or for whatever (you might want to utilize headset
> button in some creative way). Some people report that in some
> conditions buzz is not too much even with a headset so sometimes it's
> possible to use it for GSM.
>
> And no FR version that is in shops atm prevents buzz from the headset
> mic anyway.
>
 6-Dealer has said that it's A6 FR is buzz fixed ,should i trust ? what
 can i do if he/she posted it in our country and was not buzz fixed ?
>>>
>>> What dealer? How can we tell if you can trust someone if we don't know
>>> whom are you talking about?
>> This > http://openmoko.kd85.com/ it's in wiki list .
>
> Ok, i hope others will tell you their experience with him.
>
>>> 3-Can other car chargers be used to charge FR ?
>>
>>>Yes, but you need to tell FR (software) to start the charging
>> So e.g nokia car chargers jack is the same as FR car charger ?
>
> FR has a standard mini-usb receptable.
So ,almost all chargers do not have usb jack ... If charger output voltage
was the same can we add usb jack to charger ?

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Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]

[tammaro "pamdirac" palombo]

A makeup mirror? :D

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Michael Tansella
wrote:

> On Wednesday 10 June 2009 11:57:51 Yorick Moko wrote:
> > could you give a link to that video again please?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFuwhPXYxxI
> at 18:37
>
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Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]

[Yorick Moko]

an opensource ghostbuster trap?
http://img154.imageshack.us/i/ghosttrapmc5.jpg/

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:26 PM, tammaro "pamdirac"
palombo wrote:
> A makeup mirror? :D
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Michael Tansella 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday 10 June 2009 11:57:51 Yorick Moko wrote:
>> > could you give a link to that video again please?
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFuwhPXYxxI
>> at 18:37
>>
>> greets
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Re: Openmoko planet go crazy???[fixed]

[Ray Chao]

Dear community,

Sorry for the mess of the planet.

The feeds from wordpress is buggy on rss2(~/feed/ or ~/feed/rss2/), so I
changed all feed from wordpress.com to rss(~/feed/rss).  By making this
change, the issue from rss2 is resolved.  However, the rss feed doesn't
contained any timestamp info and the system assumes all the articles are
"new", which is the crazy planet you might see.

At this moment, I change the feed to atom(~/feed/atom/) which avoid the
issue on rss2 and rss.  It looks nice and back to normal now.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Ray Chao.

David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> planet.openmoko.org Is full of very old posts form Michael Siloh (HI
> Michael, wherever you are!) ,John Lee,(a year old a lot of them) and
> from gecko, Talpadk a couple of monts old.
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Re: some questions before buying FreeRunner

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 10 June 2009, a dehqan wrote:
> In The Name Of God
>
> Thanks fro every body attentions ;
>
> another important question ;
> Is this
> PDF>enough to fix buzz ?

That is the procedure to buzz fix the FR, yes.

> >>> 3-Can other car chargers be used to charge FR ?
> >>>
> >>>Yes, but you need to tell FR (software) to start the charging
> >>
> >> So e.g nokia car chargers jack is the same as FR car charger ?
> >
> > FR has a standard mini-usb receptable.
>
> So ,almost all chargers do not have usb jack ... If charger output voltage
> was the same can we add usb jack to charger ?

The FR needs 5V, preferably at 500mA or 1A. If your charger can supply that 
then making a jack adapter won't be a problem. Do NOT use a charger supplying 
>5.5V as it will probably damage the FR. If your charger can give 1A then when 
making the adapter you can put a 47k resistor between pin 4 and ground on the 
mini-B connector. That lets the FR identify it as being able to take 1A so it 
will automatically start charging at the full rate.

Car USB adapters are widely available though, and the USB mini-B connector is 
used by a numer of phone manufacturers now. There were reports in the wiki 
from people using TomTom and Motorola car chargers IIRC. The only problem you 
may have is that there was no standard for the use of the ID pin (pin 4) so 
the current capability may be incorrectly detected.

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Re: OpenBmap

[Onen]

Hi Risto,

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> 
> - Collecting cell id's is MUCH more easier than contributing to
> openstreetmap.org: all you need to do is start the openbmap app, make
> sure it has 3d fix,

You don't need to. If you start logging, it will log data *only* if GPS 
has 3d fix, and GSM data is available. You don't have to think about it. 
If you lose the fix, you don't have to care about it.

press the 'generate' -button (that'll be renamed
> to 'start' or 'log' or something soon :) and off you go.

Done in git tree. It now is "Start".

  It records
> all the cells it sees. When you go inside, press 'quit' or 'stop'.

As explained before, if you go inside, you may let the app running, it 
will log later, when it gets the GPS fix back, when you get out of the 
building.

Precision: pressing "exit", first stops nicely the logger. No need to 
press "stop" and then "exit".

> When you get connected to Internet, press 'Upload'. That's it. (ok,
> before uploading you need to register at openbmap.org) -> no need to
> go and analyze the saved data afterwards.
> 
> - I already discussed with Onen (#openmoko-cdevel) some issues in the
> client app (= I have no idea what all the numbers mean and OTOH it'd
> be nice to have it work as a daemon eating as little resources as
> possible, OTOH it'd be nice to have the possibility to see a
> visualization of the data collected)
> 

Yep. Some work has been done on the gui. Please have a look and let me 
know if this goes in the right direction:
http://myposition.wiki.sourceforge.net/page/edit/GUI_thoughts

Also I start thinking two views could be useful. One all details view. 
And one new view, with little info, but in bigger size, etc...

> - about the website www.openbmap.org - it's nice to see the servers
> up&running again!

It actually is not. Nick did a run to test if everything is working as 
it should.

I was surprised to get over 700 cells collected by
> just driving a car for 250km and taking a train back and taking a bus
> for 30 minutes in the city. Hard to believe I'd have seen 700 cells
> but if they tell I did.. http://realtimeblog.free.fr/logins_stats.php
> 

If you had a different way with the train as with the car, and the same 
length of travel, this number makes sense.

> - Maps - this is the 'visualization' part of the project and I think
...

Agreed. We already talked about this. The maps visualisation of the 
website is completely unfriendly to use (and I never use it, I use G. 
earth). Of course we don't want to let it this way.

> 
>   -> I think the country should be selected by the map: it should give
> the central coordinates and size to be used in the database search
> that then returns the information of cells. Different operators could
> be visualized by different colour. And then when I zoom in, at some
> stage it'd start showing the coverage if individual cells. And then
> clicking on a cell coverage area could give me the numbers: country
> id, operator, location area core, cell ID etc.. The current way
> expects people to want to know the coverage on one operator on one
> location area, and single cell instead of finding the cells in one
> area - which I really believe is the approach people would use more.
> 

Indeed. Go somewhere on the map and see what cells are there. (possibly 
with some filters (per operator, etc.).

  It'd be great
> to have it somewhere in low levels so that GPS apps could maybe work
> on this: some daemon just provides to location information, no matter
> if it's a random guess, based on GPS, GSM cells or WLAN base stations.

As stated in a previous email, I have a working prototype for getting 
your position out of GSM cell, locally on your phone. I hope someone 
jumps in with a nice application to make use of this. I don't publish 
it, because it is all very basic, but enough for someone wanting to use 
it. Please contact me if interested.

We already had some thinking with Jan and Daniel. How to build something 
in the way you describe.

> 
> ps. is it possible to download the whole data as a single file?
> 

Nick is working on proposing raw data (the log files my app creates) for 
download on the Website.

We do have sql files, representing the cells positions and radius. This 
is generated from the raw data. I use this file to build a sqlite file 
on the phone, to be used by my prototype D-bus service, to get my position.

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Re: OpenBmap

[Onen]

Hi,

I think precisely the same. Thanks for the nice comments.

Onen

kimaidou wrote:
> Hi
> 
> + 1 for the hard steps to see the polygone of one cell in the map 
> trrough all the lists. Why not just show all the cells in the current 
> zoom level, from e.g zoom level 14 or 15 (to avoid loading to many data 
> and slowing down). This is what we want to know : is the coverage ok in 
> this or that area ? If not, ok, I go there where there is no cell 
> registered, and do som logging.
> 
> Anyway, thanks for this great app.
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Re: OpenBmap

[Onen]

Hi Alex,

Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote:
> 
> I did a big upload yesterday (52 log files) and unfortunately I let it 
> delete the processed ones (After the "Successfully uploaded (52) log 
> files" dialog). "Unfortunately" because I haven't seen my 
> username("lambdacomplex")/cells on the stats page or the twitter or on 
> the map yet so I worry they have been lost in the abyss.

As stated in the previous emails, we encountered a hard drive failure. 
Nick made a test run of the server. But it is not working as normal.

The logs should not be lost. They just have not been detected, and 
processed by the (broken) server. Tweet is triggered when logs are detected.

  Does it say
> anywhere what the delay/process is to get the cells onto the maps?
> 

When you see the tweet, it means the logs have started being processed. 
You then have to check the main page of the website to see the last 
update time updated.

I would like something like OSM: when you upload GPX file, you get an 
email when it has been incorporated.

> The website could use some more features like that - some way to login 
> to be able to change/recover your password 

Oh, we don't have that. That's bad...

and a way to see what you've
> uploaded.

Could you be more specific?

Onen


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Re: OpenBmap

[Onen]

Sorry, wrong link:
http://myposition.wiki.sourceforge.net/GUI_thoughts

Onen wrote:
>>
> 
> Yep. Some work has been done on the gui. Please have a look and let me 
> know if this goes in the right direction:
> http://myposition.wiki.sourceforge.net/page/edit/GUI_thoughts
> 
> Also I start thinking two views could be useful. One all details view. 
> And one new view, with little info, but in bigger size, etc...
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Re: [OM2009] Couple of troubles

[Angus Ainslie]

On June 10, 2009 04:17:27 am ivanshirok...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello. Yesterday I've flashed new testing image of OM2009. Must say it
> works pretty good.
>
> But I've got a couple of problems:
>
> 1) Can't use Internet.
> It successfully connects to bouth of my wifi routers, acquires DNS
> servers so I can see them in /etc/resolv.conf.
> But I cant ping any of internet addresses.
> Even IP addresses =(
>

Connman doesn't set the default route if there is already one. If you do 
"ifdown usb0" from the terminal then wifi will work as expected. Or you can 
manually add the default route for wifi

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Re: Freerunner's Future

[Steve Mosher]

I would offer this. The vision that Werner has,  shared by a good number 
of us
( hat tip to Dr Schaller) is to create a process whereby the design 
effort can be
shared collaboratively. As I look at the EE design process it is currently
controlled at  several points by closed proprietary systems. These 
chains will
will not be broken all at once. Lets take the layout tool. Layout tools 
are expensive
software. You may be a EE with a great idea, but your stuck in schematic 
land
if you dont have a layout tool. Now the output of layout tools ( gerber 
file) is
rather open and standard.  There are many elements here where a 
community effort
can help. At some point I will put something together to describe this 
process,
the tools, the resources, and you can all see how close we are to an 
open process.

If folks dont want to wait for me, they  can pitch in and describe the 
process themselves
and put it in the wiki.

So, generally speaking I'd say the mission is opening the design process 
to allow for
collaborative open source hardware development.

On another thread people are speculating about Project B. some 
interesting speculations.
Imagine a world where those speculations could be turned into working 
prototypes
and then products.. all done the open source way. just a thought.


Werner Almesberger wrote:
> Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
>   
>> Scope:   What will our mission statement be?  Is the foundation just
>> to support the gta02-core project,
>> 
>
> Just a quick remark: please don't concentrate too much on
> gta02-core when planning organizational structures for the
> future.
>
> The focus of gta02-core is not on making the next big phone but
> on opening the process. The few pieces of hardware gta02-core
> is planned to produce would be a proof of concept that we've
> succeeded to meet that specific goal but they will likely be of
> little practical interest to anyone who is looking for a
> substantial improvement on the GTA02 as a day to day phone.
>
> Once gta02-core is complete, there are several paths that could
> lead to a mass-produced phone. Some could be very quick, others
> quite slow. Mass-producing a phone requires a lot of money, so
> at that stage, the direction would also depend on the goals of
> investors or sponsors and on an assessment of the target
> markets.
>
> An organisational structure should allow us to keep assets
> across projects. This will also encourage keeping technical
> projects small and focused.
>
> I use gta02-core as a reference when discussion specific needs,
> because of the project's narrow scope. If a plan doesn't work
> for gta02-core, it probably doesn't work at all. But a plan
> that only works for gta02-core wouldn't be much better either.
>
> - Werner
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Re: [QtMoko] New debian images

[Rene Horn]

Thank you Radek.  This is awesome!  I just installed it now.

However, there seems to be an issue with apt-get.

# apt-get update
Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny Release.gpg
Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny Release
Ign http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages
Reading package lists... Error!
E: Couldn't make mmap of 25165824 bytes - mmap (22 Invalid argument)
W: Unable to munmap
E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.

This seems to be a known problem though--
http://lists.laiskiainen.org/pipermail/apt-rpm-laiskiainen.org/2008-November/000884.html

Do you know anything about this?

Rene

2009/6/10 Radek Polak 

> Hi Guys,
> i have created new QtMoko images on debian rootfs. You can find them
> together with some info on my site [1].
>
> These images should give you:
> - full debian system (over ssh)
> - working calls/sms
> - working gprs
> - usable media player
> - and lot of more features
>
> In this new image QT was upgraded to version 4.5.1 and with attached
> patch i have fixed the missing virtual keyboard in password fields. You
> can find sources in my git branch qt451.
>
> Another thing is qmplayer - media player that can play ogg/mp3/avi files
> but is also able to download or stream media from PC. You can find more
> info on qmplayer homepage [2].
>
> Kernel is now based on packaging config. The kernel size is now under
> 2MB so it can be booted with u-boot.
>
> We have also new logo [3] (thanks to my wife).
>
> My plan for future is to merge other's GIT's - i am running build right
> now, so we'll see if that worked :)
>
> On the experimenting front - i was able to run TangoGPS and other X apps
> via vnc. It was quite slow and mouse dragging wanst working, but still
> quite usable.
>
> Btw is anyone planning to release ready-to-flash QtMoko images for FSO?
> I see there is just install script, but i would like to have image that
> can be just flashed and booted.
>
> Cheers
>
> Radek
>
>
> [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/
> [2] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qmplayer/
> [3] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/qtmoko.svg
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AT commands for set TX power

[Test]

For power channel level (PCL) measurements 
Is there any AT test commands such as  
read  command:
AT+BURST=?
set parameter:
AT+BURST= 
 
I use mickeyterm but i didn't see ATcommands similar to these.


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Re: OpenBmap

[Onen]

Correct. Upload is working. Only processing is on test.

Onen

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Alex (Maxious)
> Sadleir wrote:
>> I did a big upload yesterday (52 log files) and unfortunately I let it
>> delete the processed ones (After the "Successfully uploaded (52) log files"
>> dialog). "Unfortunately" because I haven't seen my
>> username("lambdacomplex")/cells on the stats page or the twitter or on the
>> map yet so I worry they have been lost in the abyss. Does it say anywhere
>> what the delay/process is to get the cells onto the maps?
> 
> The server was broken at some stage so the website was not updated but
> AFAIK no information was lost so I believe your data is also somewhere
> there.. just wait to see your stats updated.
> 
> r
> 
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Re: OpenBmap

[Onen]

Hi,

Christian Gagneraud wrote:
> 
> in tour $HOME/.openBmap/Logs, i think there's an archive directory 
> (ProcessedLog or similar).
> 

Not if he answered "yes" to the question about emptying it. But don't 
worry, no upload is lost.

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Re: [QtMoko] New debian images

[Radek Polak]

Rene Horn wrote:

> Thank you Radek.  This is awesome!  I just installed it now.
> 
> However, there seems to be an issue with apt-get.
> 
> # apt-get update
> Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny Release.gpg
> Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny Release
> Ign http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages/DiffIndex
> Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages
> Reading package lists... Error!
> E: Couldn't make mmap of 25165824 bytes - mmap (22 Invalid argument)
> W: Unable to munmap
> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
> 
> This seems to be a known problem
> though--http://lists.laiskiainen.org/pipermail/apt-rpm-laiskiainen.org/2008-November/000884.html
> 
> Do you know anything about this?

Hi Rene,
yes i know about it -  it's present only on jffs images - SD card images
do not have this problem. I'll try to find best solution of this.

Regards

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Re: Debuzzing in the UK?

[Dave Smith]

Many thanks.

Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework
> 
> Just as far as your nearest Royal Mail...
> 
> BR, Nikolaus
> 
> Am 10.06.2009 um 09:08 schrieb Dave Smith:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> It's been a while since I looked at getting the buzz on my FreeRunner
>> fixed up, after having no luck finding anyone with the right equipment
>> to be able to perform it amongst local friends and contacts, so I
>> figured I'd throw a message out on here to see if anyone can point  
>> me in
>> the direction of anyone in the United Kingdom who has the tools, time,
>> and inclination to perform the fix for me. :)
>>
>> Has anyone any experience with getting someone in this area performing
>> the fix?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Dave
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Golden Delicious offers GTA02A6+ and GTA02A7

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Dear all,
after organizing the Buzz rework service we have now upgraded our  
remaining stock of GTA02A6 units so that you don't have to care about  
rework if you buy a new device from us. And, we already have a handful  
of the A7 retail units in stock. All our units still include the pouch  
and the headsets. Most of them have the laser-stylus while some have a  
pure stylus only (before you ask: we can't open the boxes to guarantee  
a specific version).

Upgraded version (A6+): 279 EUR
Retail version (A7): 299 EUR

Best regards,
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Re: OpenBmap

[Risto H. Kurppa]

Thanks onen for all your answers, they cleared many unclear things. I
think it's essential for an FLOSS project leader / developer to
communicate with the users to create a community of users who
eventually will start contributing and support your work, see
http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/building-community-around-your-foss.html.

It's great to hear you're working on the client app as well as daemons
to do the locating. I hope someone (maybe omgps) will start using it
soon.

So without further comments, I'm looking forward to see the next version!

r


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Re: Battery ID chip - help needed

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Christoph Pulster wrote:
> Openmoko, please can you release relevant infos or chips, so we can
> built high-power batteries ?

+1

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[om2009t4] Today's update

[Marcel]

Hello,

I did a more or less big update of om2009t4 today. After that, the phone 
suspends all the time although that's turned off in paroli as well as 
illume.
Additionally, the battery meter jumps back to "auto" as battery data 
source instead of "internal", showing the wrong value.
What can I do about these things?

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Re: Mokomapper.py: Script for easy OSM mapping on the road: mokomapper.py

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Leonardo de
Virgilio wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi Risto :)
>
> I've not released it because I've written it in my spare time, and
> it's the highest form of spaghetti-code
> I've ever wrote :D
>
> Good news: I'll applicate on that during summer, I'll release
> something when it'll be near to work or to get something usable :D

Great, looking forward :)


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Re: Golden Delicious offers GTA02A6+ and GTA02A7

[David Reyes Samblas Martinez]

Hey niko ,
A beer in concept of royalties for the A6+ branding hehehe, just joking :)

2009/6/10 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller :
> Dear all,
> after organizing the Buzz rework service we have now upgraded our
> remaining stock of GTA02A6 units so that you don't have to care about
> rework if you buy a new device from us. And, we already have a handful
> of the A7 retail units in stock. All our units still include the pouch
> and the headsets. Most of them have the laser-stylus while some have a
> pure stylus only (before you ask: we can't open the boxes to guarantee
> a specific version).
>
> Upgraded version (A6+): 279 EUR
> Retail version (A7): 299 EUR
>
> Best regards,
> Nikolaus Schaller
>
>
>
> 
> Mobile Office Solutions
> by Golden Delicious Computers GmbH&Co. KG
> Buchenstr. 3
> D-82041 Oberhaching
> +49-89-54290367
> http://www.handheld-linux.com
>
> AG München, HRA 89571
> VAT DE253626266
> Komplementär:
> Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH
> Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602
> Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller
>
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Re: [om2009t4] Today's update

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Marcel wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I did a more or less big update of om2009t4 today. After that, the phone
> suspends all the time although that's turned off in paroli as well as
> illume.
> Additionally, the battery meter jumps back to "auto" as battery data
> source instead of "internal", showing the wrong value.
> What can I do about these things?

Wait a day or so. Testing5 will be released very soon and it'll
include fixes to many big bugs (suspend, gprs, can't receive calls,
that battery bug etc etc etc). AFAIK upgrading t4 will not take you
this far since there's been some radical package changes, too.

Enjoy your freedom!

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Re: Battery ID chip - help needed

[Christian Gagneraud]

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Christoph Pulster wrote:
>> Openmoko, please can you release relevant infos or chips, so we can
>> built high-power batteries ?
> 
> +1

According to the schematics of the FR, the ID line of the battery is 
not connected to anything (R1769 is marked NC). I checked my FR rev A6 
(from your shop Christoph!;)), and this resistor is not populated.
So it means the ID line of the battery is definitely not used.

Now I'm not saying it is safe to use whatever battery, i'm just saying 
that the power management chip (the PCF 50633) is not able to read any 
information out of the battery you fit in your FR (like battery ID, 
serial number, etc...).

I would say that as long as you use a 3.7V single-cell Li-ion battery 
that has built-in protection, it should be safe to test with your FR.
The only drawback you'll get is a longer charging time.

The FR is designed/programmed to charge at 500mA max. It should be 
possible to change the charging rate in software (u-boot and/or 
kernel), or perhaps by doing some HW mods.


I'm not a battery expert, complementary information welcome!

According to the FR battery page [1], they say that FR use a smart 
battery (model number CT-GTA02 [2]) but i can tell you that i don't 
have such a thing in my phone, i actually have a battery marked 
"Model: GTA02", which is definitely not a smart battery (it has only 3 
pins), this battery correspond more to what's describe on the Neo 
battery page [3]. Moreover, the schematics of the FR show that it use 
only 2 signals of the battery: V+ and V-.

Chris

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery
[2] http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf
[2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery




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Re: Battery ID chip - help needed

[Yorick Moko]

FR ca nalso charge at 1A
(with wall charger)

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Christian
Gagneraud wrote:
> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Christoph Pulster 
>> wrote:
>>> Openmoko, please can you release relevant infos or chips, so we can
>>> built high-power batteries ?
>>
>> +1
>
> According to the schematics of the FR, the ID line of the battery is
> not connected to anything (R1769 is marked NC). I checked my FR rev A6
> (from your shop Christoph!;)), and this resistor is not populated.
> So it means the ID line of the battery is definitely not used.
>
> Now I'm not saying it is safe to use whatever battery, i'm just saying
> that the power management chip (the PCF 50633) is not able to read any
> information out of the battery you fit in your FR (like battery ID,
> serial number, etc...).
>
> I would say that as long as you use a 3.7V single-cell Li-ion battery
> that has built-in protection, it should be safe to test with your FR.
> The only drawback you'll get is a longer charging time.
> 
> The FR is designed/programmed to charge at 500mA max. It should be
> possible to change the charging rate in software (u-boot and/or
> kernel), or perhaps by doing some HW mods.
> 
>
> I'm not a battery expert, complementary information welcome!
>
> According to the FR battery page [1], they say that FR use a smart
> battery (model number CT-GTA02 [2]) but i can tell you that i don't
> have such a thing in my phone, i actually have a battery marked
> "Model: GTA02", which is definitely not a smart battery (it has only 3
> pins), this battery correspond more to what's describe on the Neo
> battery page [3]. Moreover, the schematics of the FR show that it use
> only 2 signals of the battery: V+ and V-.
>
> Chris
>
> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery
> [2] http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf
> [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery
>
>
>
>
>>
>> r
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Re: Battery ID chip - help needed

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Christian
Gagneraud wrote:
> According to the schematics of the FR, the ID line of the battery is
> not connected to anything (R1769 is marked NC). I checked my FR rev A6
> (from your shop Christoph!;)), and this resistor is not populated.
> So it means the ID line of the battery is definitely not used.
>
> Now I'm not saying it is safe to use whatever battery, i'm just saying
> that the power management chip (the PCF 50633) is not able to read any
> information out of the battery you fit in your FR (like battery ID,
> serial number, etc...).

I dont think it is true. Openmoko's battery is "special", it includes a coulumb
counter. And the battery indicator relies on it.
So inserting a nokia BL-5C battery is not complete solution. (because it lacks
the coulomb counter), and freerunner cant charge it (currently) and cant
display the remaining capacity.

The best person to ask are jOERG or Werner. They usually hangs on
#openmoko-cdevel and are very helpful people.


> The FR is designed/programmed to charge at 500mA max. It should be

It is not true either.

1. Freerunner identifies the charger with a "magic" 47kOhm resistance
between D+ and D- line.
If the resistance is present it charges with 1000mA.

2. If the usb enumeration was successful it charges with 500mA (so
connecting to a computer charges with 500mA).

3. If none of the above happens, it defaults to 100mA.

Laszlo

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Re: Battery ID chip - help needed

[Paul Fertser]

Christian Gagneraud  writes:
> According to the FR battery page [1], they say that FR use a smart 
> battery (model number CT-GTA02 [2]) but i can tell you that i don't 
> have such a thing in my phone, i actually have a battery marked 
> "Model: GTA02", which is definitely not a smart battery (it has only 3 
> pins), this battery correspond more to what's describe on the Neo 
> battery page [3]. Moreover, the schematics of the FR show that it use 
> only 2 signals of the battery: V+ and V-.

The third terminal is used by a bit-banging HDQ driver which
communicates with bq27000 chip integrated in battery. And it works for
sure, though probably some eeprom values that should be
factory-programmed are not optimal.

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Paroli: correct pronunciation

[tammaro "pamdirac" palombo]

I read in the FAQ page of paroli project [1] that Paroli is an Esperanto
word.
how to pronounce Paroli in Esperanto? This site have the answer :)

http://traduku.net/parolu/#parole/?l=

c



[1] http://www.paroli-project.org/faq/
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Re: Battery ID chip - help needed

[Christian Gagneraud]

Paul Fertser wrote:
> Christian Gagneraud  writes:
>> According to the FR battery page [1], they say that FR use a smart 
>> battery (model number CT-GTA02 [2]) but i can tell you that i don't 
>> have such a thing in my phone, i actually have a battery marked 
>> "Model: GTA02", which is definitely not a smart battery (it has only 3 
>> pins), this battery correspond more to what's describe on the Neo 
>> battery page [3]. Moreover, the schematics of the FR show that it use 
>> only 2 signals of the battery: V+ and V-.
> 
> The third terminal is used by a bit-banging HDQ driver which
> communicates with bq27000 chip integrated in battery. And it works for
> sure, though probably some eeprom values that should be
> factory-programmed are not optimal.

Hi Paul,

Absolutely true! I didn't spot it on the schematics. Next time i'll 
check twice before writing emails! ;)

Thanks,
Chris

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Re: Battery ID chip - help needed

[Christian Gagneraud]

Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Christian
> Gagneraud wrote:
>> According to the schematics of the FR, the ID line of the battery is
>> not connected to anything (R1769 is marked NC). I checked my FR rev A6
>> (from your shop Christoph!;)), and this resistor is not populated.
>> So it means the ID line of the battery is definitely not used.
>>
>> Now I'm not saying it is safe to use whatever battery, i'm just saying
>> that the power management chip (the PCF 50633) is not able to read any
>> information out of the battery you fit in your FR (like battery ID,
>> serial number, etc...).
> 
> I dont think it is true. Openmoko's battery is "special", it includes a 
> coulumb
> counter. And the battery indicator relies on it.
> So inserting a nokia BL-5C battery is not complete solution. (because it lacks
> the coulomb counter), and freerunner cant charge it (currently) and cant
> display the remaining capacity.
> 
> The best person to ask are jOERG or Werner. They usually hangs on
> #openmoko-cdevel and are very helpful people.
> 
> 
>> The FR is designed/programmed to charge at 500mA max. It should be
> 
> It is not true either.
> 
> 1. Freerunner identifies the charger with a "magic" 47kOhm resistance
> between D+ and D- line.
> If the resistance is present it charges with 1000mA.
> 
> 2. If the usb enumeration was successful it charges with 500mA (so
> connecting to a computer charges with 500mA).
> 
> 3. If none of the above happens, it defaults to 100mA.

Hi Laszlo,

You right, i was not sure if it was 500mA or 1A max. that's why i did 
enclose my comments in between "not-really-sure" tags.

Anyway, 1A being the best-case charging current, it will still take 
longer to charge a 2100mAh battery than a 1200mAh. (roughly 2 times 
longer i guess)

Chris

> 
> Laszlo
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Re: Debuzzing in the UK?

[Tim Abell]

nice one. I'd been wondering about that.

Tim Abell
Berks, UK

Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework

Just as far as your nearest Royal Mail...

BR, Nikolaus

Am 10.06.2009 um 09:08 schrieb Dave Smith:

  

Hi all,

It's been a while since I looked at getting the buzz on my FreeRunner
fixed up, after having no luck finding anyone with the right equipment
to be able to perform it amongst local friends and contacts, so I
figured I'd throw a message out on here to see if anyone can point  
me in

the direction of anyone in the United Kingdom who has the tools, time,
and inclination to perform the fix for me. :)

Has anyone any experience with getting someone in this area performing
the fix?

Thanks in advance,

Dave

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Re: [QtMoko] New debian images

[Matthias Breuel]

Hi,

have you been able to import vcf-files?

I got this error message:

neo1973-debian:~/home/root# /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/addressbook 
addressbook.vcf 
QSqlPimTableModel::count() - Could not execute query:  no such table: contacts  
  
QSqlPimTableModel::count() - Could not execute query:  no such table: contacts  
  
QSqlPimTableModel::count() - Could not execute query:  no such table: contacts  
  
QSqlPimTableModel::count() - Could not execute query:  no such table: contacts  
  
QSqlPimTableModel::count() - Could not execute query:  no such table: contacts  
  
QSqlPimTableModel::count() - Could not execute query:  no such table: contacts  
  
QSqlPimTableModel::count() - Could not execute query:  no such table: contacts  
  
QSqlPimTableModel::count() - Could not execute query:  no such table: contacts  
  
QSqlPimTableModel::count() - Could not execute query:  no such table: contacts  
  

does anyone know how to do this? that would be great


mat


On Wednesday 10 June 2009 17:20:52 Vinzenz Hersche wrote:
> yeah, it's a great version, really like it :D
> it's all just fine, but i couldn't import a ics-file to the calender..
> hope, this is fixed soon, would be great :)
>


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Re: OpenBmap

[Alex (Maxious) Sadleir]

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:14 AM, Onen  wrote:

>
>
> The logs should not be lost. They just have not been detected, and
> processed by the (broken) server. Tweet is triggered when logs are
> detected.


Yep! They've shown up today just as expected.

>
>
>  Does it say
> > anywhere what the delay/process is to get the cells onto the maps?
> >
>
> When you see the tweet, it means the logs have started being processed.
> You then have to check the main page of the website to see the last
> update time updated.
>
> I would like something like OSM: when you upload GPX file, you get an
> email when it has been incorporated.
>
 Thanks for the clarification.

>
> > The website could use some more features like that - some way to login
> > to be able to change/recover your password
>
> Oh, we don't have that. That's bad...
>
Yeah. I'm biased because I lost my first password somehow and all the
website could tell me was that the account did exist. Not a big problem.

>
> and a way to see what you've
> > uploaded.
>
> Could you be more specific?
>
At the moment to be able to see your uploaded cells on the maps, you have to
remember some non-obvious details (LAC/Cell ID) from when you uploaded. It
would be nice to have your own total cell count and maybe a selection of
recently uploaded cells as a table or map.
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Re: [QtMoko] New debian images

[Ali]

Very cool, but without apt it's kinda useless :( I saw on the site that
if we mount the apt directories to the sd card it will be fine, so which
directories does apt use? I browsed through the apt howto but I don't
think they mention all the directories used by apt or at least it's not
on one page. Also, I didn't see libmad as a plugin, so no out of box mp3
support? Does this mean I still have to compile it in myself? Or because
it's debian can I apt-get it and have qte play them?


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Re: Battery ID chip - help needed

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 10 June 2009, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Christian
> > The FR is designed/programmed to charge at 500mA max. It should be
>
> It is not true either.
>
> 1. Freerunner identifies the charger with a "magic" 47kOhm resistance
> between D+ and D- line.

Wrong pins - the magic 47k is between the ID pin (4) and ground. See:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_charger


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Re: Paroli: correct pronunciation

[Ben Wong]

I was kind of hoping Paroli was Italian for "parolee", a convict who's
been let out of jail early on condition of good behavior.  That is,
someone who's (mostly) free without having to commit a "jail break"
first.  ;-)

--Ben

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM, tammaro "pamdirac"
palombo wrote:
> I read in the FAQ page of paroli project [1] that Paroli is an Esperanto
> word.
> how to pronounce Paroli in Esperanto? This site have the answer :)
> http://traduku.net/parolu/#parole/?l=
> c
>
>
> [1] http://www.paroli-project.org/faq/
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Re: How to get started with Openmoko phone?

[Mike]

Thanks, Ben --

I just got the SIM card from T-Mobile, the uSD card and the FreeRunner! we'll 
see how it goes!

On Monday 08 June 2009 03:55:35 Ben Wong wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Mike wrote:
> > Thanks, Rene --
> >
> > I just ordered the freerunner -- very exciting!
>
>   Excellent.  You may want to check the GSM firmware version when you
> get it.  I received my phone recently and it had an old firmware on it
> (version 8 instead of 11, I think).  The phone mostly worked, but I
> couldn't do GPRS until I flashed the GSM firmware.
>
> Here's the page for how to update it:
>
>   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing
>
> Note that, although the web page describes the procedure as a
> lobotomy, it's not nearly so scary, even using the step-by-step
> method, which I did.  Even easier, there's a microSD image you can
> download that automates the procedure for you.
>
>   By the way, the advice to just buy a SIM card instead of a whole
> plan is the right one.  That way you won't be locked into a year long
> contract.  I'm using T-mobile and it works great; data is unlimited
> and the price is fair.  I've heard T-mobile's coverage is not as good
> as AT&T's in the US, but it hasn't been a problem for me.  My only
> complaint is that ping times are often over 1000ms, and I'm not even
> sure that that's T-mobile's fault.
>
> --Ben
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First SSH to FR: Permission denied

[Mike]

Hello --

I just got the FR. Very nice! I am trying to SSH to FR to check the firmware 
version. I can ping 192.168.0.200 with 0% loss. However, when I 

ssh r...@192.168.0.200

and enter either blank  (as suggested in the Wiki) or "root" password at the 
prompt I get "Permission denied, please try again."

What is the problem?

Thank you for your time, 

Mike.



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Re: First SSH to FR: Permission denied

[The Digital Pioneer]

If the terminal is installed on the phone, run it and type "passwd" to set
your password. Then SSH in with it. If the terminal isn't installed, then is
there a GUI package manager? If not, IDK. :P
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Re: Battery ID chip - help needed

[Sean Moss-Pultz]

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Christoph Pulster wrote:
>> Openmoko, please can you release relevant infos or chips, so we can
>> built high-power batteries ?
>
> +1

This has all been released before. See the FreeRunner HW wikipage (or
the comments in this thread). As for making bigger batteries, this was
the largest size we could make and still pass CE. Believe me, we would
have gone bigger if we could.

  -Sean

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Re: First SSH to FR: Permission denied

[Joseph Booker]

On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:17:32 -0500
Mike  wrote:

> Hello --
> 
> I just got the FR. Very nice! I am trying to SSH to FR to check the
> firmware version. I can ping 192.168.0.200 with 0% loss. However,
> when I 
> 
> ssh r...@192.168.0.200
> 
> and enter either blank  (as suggested in the Wiki) or "root" password
> at the prompt I get "Permission denied, please try again."
> 
> What is the problem?
> 
> Thank you for your time, 
> 
> Mike.

Most OE-based distributions now a days forbid ssh over wifi, so make
sure you're trying to do this over usb.

Otherwise, you know you are not supposed to enter 'blank' as a
password, right? So, just press enter when it asks for the password,
without typing in anything. If that's totally obvious, sorry, just
making sure ;)

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Re: Freerunner's Future

[Jeremy McNaughton]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Werner Almesberger wrote:
> Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
>> Scope:   What will our mission statement be?  Is the foundation just
>> to support the gta02-core project,
>
> Just a quick remark: please don't concentrate too much on
> gta02-core when planning organizational structures for the
> future.
>
> The focus of gta02-core is not on making the next big phone but
> on opening the process. The few pieces of hardware gta02-core
> is planned to produce would be a proof of concept that we've
> succeeded to meet that specific goal but they will likely be of
> little practical interest to anyone who is looking for a
> substantial improvement on the GTA02 as a day to day phone.
>
> Once gta02-core is complete, there are several paths that could
> lead to a mass-produced phone. Some could be very quick, others
> quite slow. Mass-producing a phone requires a lot of money, so
> at that stage, the direction would also depend on the goals of
> investors or sponsors and on an assessment of the target
> markets.
>
> An organisational structure should allow us to keep assets
> across projects. This will also encourage keeping technical
> projects small and focused.
>
> I use gta02-core as a reference when discussion specific needs,
> because of the project's narrow scope. If a plan doesn't work
> for gta02-core, it probably doesn't work at all. But a plan
> that only works for gta02-core wouldn't be much better either.
>
> - Werner
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I guess what I'm hoping for in regards to gta02-core and the community
organization  would be some combination of these two things:

1.  That the open source hardware development processes pioneered by
gta02-core get formalized as part of the structure of the new
organization
2.  That the people who are working on the gta02-core will continue to
work together as part of the new community organization.

This would mean incorporating the lessons learned by the gta02-core
team into the new organization.  It would also mean creating an
organization that can effectively facilitate this type of open
hardware development.

Of course, the community organization (heh... we need a name!) should
encompass more than just hardware.  The open hardware part will likely
just be a part of what the organization does.  There's also a need to
support and connect developers, themers, writers of documentation.
And of course there's end-users like me who could benefit from a
organization we can be a part of and connect with others through.

This might be a tall order to fill.  If the organization is too
broadly focused it could end up going nowhere at all.


Jeremy

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Re: First SSH to FR: Permission denied

[Korbinian Rosenegger]

Hi

Try 192.168.0.202, the IP you tried is your desktop :)

I've also done this many times until i added this line to /etc/hosts on
my desktop:

192.168.0.202   om


cu Korbi


On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 20:17 -0500, Mike wrote:
> Hello --
> 
> I just got the FR. Very nice! I am trying to SSH to FR to check the firmware 
> version. I can ping 192.168.0.200 with 0% loss. However, when I 
> 
> ssh r...@192.168.0.200
> 
> and enter either blank  (as suggested in the Wiki) or "root" password at the 
> prompt I get "Permission denied, please try again."
> 
> What is the problem?
> 
> Thank you for your time, 
> 
> Mike.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: First SSH to FR: Permission denied

[jeremy jozwik]

its the little things. for about 3 days i could not figure out why i could
not ssh into my freerunner. i was hitting enter at the yes / no prompt for
the ssh key instead of yes or no

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Korbinian Rosenegger <
krose...@schmidham.net> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Try 192.168.0.202, the IP you tried is your desktop :)
>
> I've also done this many times until i added this line to /etc/hosts on
> my desktop:
>
> 192.168.0.202   om
>
>
> cu Korbi
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 20:17 -0500, Mike wrote:
> > Hello --
> >
> > I just got the FR. Very nice! I am trying to SSH to FR to check the
> firmware
> > version. I can ping 192.168.0.200 with 0% loss. However, when I
> >
> > ssh r...@192.168.0.200
> >
> > and enter either blank  (as suggested in the Wiki) or "root" password at
> the
> > prompt I get "Permission denied, please try again."
> >
> > What is the problem?
> >
> > Thank you for your time,
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]

[Kosa]

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I'm not sure if I can share this, but I KNOW what it is :)

Sometime ago I clicked on the right (or wrong) place and I found images
and even a video about it. I promissed Wolfgang I wouldn't tell, so I
will not, but I can give some other hints :)

It doesn't have one, but theree buttons.

My dos centavos

Kosa

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Re: First SSH to FR: Permission denied

[Mike]

Thanks for the suggestion --

I changed the password to blank and restarted FR, but that did 
not work, unfortunately. 
 
any other ideas?

The Digital Pioneer wrote:

> If the terminal is installed on the phone, run it and type 
"passwd" to set
> your password. Then SSH in with it. If the terminal isn't 
installed, then
> is there a GUI package manager? If not, IDK. :P




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Re: First SSH to FR: Permission denied

[The Digital Pioneer]

Other than making sure you've got the right IP, no. Sorry.
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a starting point for a community organization charter on the wiki

[Jeremy McNaughton]

Hi Everyone,

I've started a (very rough) draft charter for the community
organization on the wiki here:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Charter

With a little help this could eventually become our charter for a
sub-group of Linux International.

The stuff I've written there are all just ideas that can be completely
changed.  We have the opportunity to create a brand new organization,
so don't be afraid to raise questions, concerns, or ideas.  It's
important that we create an organization that works.  It needs to work
to further our collective goals, and it needs to work for everyone
involved.  That includes you!

There are scores of successful, community based FLOSS organizations
out there, and some not so successful ones that we can hopefully learn
lessons from.  If you admire a particular project for the way it runs
things, please tell the rest of what we can learn from them.
Potential pitfalls that can be avoided, ingenious ways of financing,
anecdotes about do's and don'ts for encouraging community
involvement... all of this and more can help us work towards building
a great organization.

As a side note, I've only just come out of lurking.  Since I haven't
been actively involved up this point, I just want to say that I don't
want to step on anyone's toes.  If anyone feels I have crossed a line
somewhere, please let me know.  I assure everyone that I don't want to
be in charge, in fact I'd prefer members with more experience take on
leadership roles.   Organizational development is just a sort of a
passion for me.  Not that anyone has given me reason to think this.
All I'm saying is, I know I'm new here and don't expect any sort of
overnight credibility.

Anyways, here's to some engaging discussions that will lead to a
prosperous future for open telephony!


Jeremy

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Re: First SSH to FR: Permission denied

[Mike]

I am now trying 192.168.0.202 and have no response. In fact, I get:

ping -I usb0 192.168.0.202
PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) from 192.168.0.200 usb0: 56(84) bytes of 
data.
>From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=5 Destination Host Unreachable
>From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable
^C
--- 192.168.0.202 ping statistics ---
9 packets transmitted, 0 received, +6 errors, 100% packet loss, time 8147ms
pipe 3

but 

ifconfig -a 

eth0 ...
...

usb0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr DE:D7:63:45:48:6B
  inet addr:192.168.0.200  Bcast:0.0.0.0  Mask:255.255.255.0
  BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)


my firewall is off and I added "192.168.0.202 om" to /etc/hosts

On Wednesday 10 June 2009 21:47:35 Korbinian Rosenegger wrote:
> Hi
>
> Try 192.168.0.202, the IP you tried is your desktop :)
>
> I've also done this many times until i added this line to /etc/hosts on
> my desktop:
>
> 192.168.0.202 om
>
>
> cu Korbi
>
> On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 20:17 -0500, Mike wrote:
> > Hello --
> >
> > I just got the FR. Very nice! I am trying to SSH to FR to check the
> > firmware version. I can ping 192.168.0.200 with 0% loss. However, when I
> >
> > ssh r...@192.168.0.200
> >
> > and enter either blank  (as suggested in the Wiki) or "root" password at
> > the prompt I get "Permission denied, please try again."
> >
> > What is the problem?
> >
> > Thank you for your time,
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> >
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Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]

[Jeremy McNaughton]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Kosa wrote:
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> I'm not sure if I can share this, but I KNOW what it is :)
>
> Sometime ago I clicked on the right (or wrong) place and I found images
> and even a video about it. I promissed Wolfgang I wouldn't tell, so I
> will not, but I can give some other hints :)
>
> It doesn't have one, but theree buttons.
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> My dos centavos
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> Kosa
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My guess is a portable media player... reverse, play/pause, and forward.

Jeremy

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Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]

[Scott Talbot]

Kosa wrote:
> I'm not sure if I can share this, but I KNOW what it is :)
>
> Sometime ago I clicked on the right (or wrong) place and I found images
> and even a video about it. I promissed Wolfgang I wouldn't tell, so I
> will not, but I can give some other hints :)
>
> It doesn't have one, but theree buttons.

Wouldn't have been a video showing the fade rate of the LCD, would it?

Heh, I made no such promises. :P

-Scott

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