Re: [SHR-U] Suspend after upgrade

[Olivier Migeot]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Lukas
Märdian wrote:

> Hey,
> I've got the same issue.
> Check SHR-User mailinglist. We had a long discussion about this issue
> there in the "Have the problems with " opkg upgrade"    been
> resolved?" thread. For some people this commit fixes it:
> http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-themes.git;a=commit;h=de367ad3948f22450d4e0715957d7825f5527e23


I had the same problem (GTA02, SHR-u installed on SD). Plus everytime
I "failed" going into suspend, everything phone related stopped
working. Replacing the /etc/frameworkd.conf with the version
referenced from up there did the trick. Now everything works fine.
Yay.

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Re: [QtMoko] new images v6

[Glen Ogilvie]

Hi,

Just a wondering if anyone has figured out how to get tangoGPS on qtMoko to use 
the same GTK style as is used in shr and other versions, where the text is 
actually a readable size.

Regards
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Re: Kernel Mode-Setting (KMS) on Neo FreeRunner + Debian

[Yorick Moko]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Chris Samuel  wrote:

> I haven't seen anyone else post about this yet, but this looks really neat!
>
> (Found via Planet Ubuntu)
>
> http://losca.blogspot.com/2009/08/kernel-mode-setting-kms-on-neo.html
>
> # Forget AMD, Intel, NVIDIA! Thomas White's incredible work with Neo
> # FreeRunner's puny graphics dec...accelerator, Smedia Glamo 3362 is
> starting
> # to bear fruits.  [...]
> #
> # The camera shot on the right, running KMS-enabled X.org driver for the
> glamo
> # chip on my Debian installation (visible software matchbox-window-manager,
> # fbpanel, zhone), is a bit optimistic looking since Zhone happens to draw
> # correctly. A lot of the drawing is not yet synced correctly, which shows
> as
> # all text and images in eg. GTK applications being garbled. But as little
> as
> # two days ago one couldn't yet much launch applications without X
> crashing,
> # so the newest commits by Thomas were a big step forwards. I'm using
> Debian,
> # and he's not, so I try to find time to help in debugging even though I
> # really can't much help with the driver code.
> #
> # The driver is not just one piece of code, but consists of a kernel drm
> # driver (direct rendering manager) using GEM, libdrm support for the
> kernel
> # driver and finally the X.org driver supporting these other components and
> # offering buzz-words like DRI2. There is also a beginning of a Mesa 3D
> # driver, though it is so far just a skeleton driver since the
> 2D/KMS/EXA/DRM
> # parts are what should be done first before dwelling into the OpenGL
> realm.
> [...]
>
> Even has an excerpt from the X servers log file with:
>
> # (WW) Glamo(0): EXA hardware acceleration initialising
> # (II) EXA(0): Driver allocated offscreen pixmaps
> # (II) EXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
> # (II) Solid
> # (II) Copy
> # (II) Glamo(0): Initialized EXA acceleration
>
> Thomas's own blog is here:
>
> http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/
>
> cheers,
> Chris
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Re: PISI 0.4 released

[Robin Paulson]

2009/8/10 Michael Pilgermann :
> We just released PISI 0.4.

i did a sync a moment ago, from sim to interactive vcf file. it popped
up a dialogue ox asking for a file anme, but i couldn't read most of
it, because too much of it was off screen. could you modify this, so i
can figure out what's happening?

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Re: PISI 0.4 released

[Martin Jansa]

Hi,
on Friday I uploaded patch for OE repository to shr trac:
http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/592
Patch contains support for
setuptools (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/setuptools), which seems like
standard tool for managing python packages, that's files ez_setup.py,
setup.py and setup.cfg. It would be nice if you include those 3 files in
your source distribution package.

I also found few files missing from
http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/888/pisi-src-0.4.4.tar.gz,
which were available in subversion repository, so I made only bbfile for
"live" subversion version of pisi, I can found which files were missing if
you can include them to pisi-src too.

As last modification of your source distribution I created pisi python
module and moved all pisi stuff and subdirs there, because this bbfile
installs pisi directly in /usr/lib/python*/site-packages/pisi not to
/opt/pisi and having lots of files and directories only for pisi directly in
site-packages seemed wrong for me.

So i rearranged source files like this:
mkdir pisi
mv pisi*.py pisi
touch pisi/__init__.py
mv contacts/ modules/ events/ tests/ thirdparty/ pisi

As I said before, I'm not python programer so setuptools and python packages
are new for me, so it would be nice if someone could confirm, that this
structure is sane and you could rearrange files in subversion to simplyfi
building process.

I'll try to prepare bbfiles for new development version dependencies as you
wrote in second thread.

JaMa


On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Michael Pilgermann wrote:

> JaMa,
>
> thx for this offer. I don't really know, what in detail you are talking
> about ... i was quite happy, that I managed to assemble ipkg - this is
> all done automatically using a Makefile:
>
> https://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/Makefile?rev=135&root=pisi
>
> But integrating all this in feeds of repositories of course sounds good
> to me ... just let me know, what exactly I can do for you - I am sure we
> can sort that out 
>
> (till now I have always just copied the files into my ipkgs)
>
> Michael
>
>
> Martin Jansa wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Martin Jansa  > > wrote:
> >
> > I have no experience with python, but I can try to prepare setup.py
> for
> > setuptools next week, if you have no time or interest in it and then
> > send you patch.
> >
> >
> > I had some spare time.. so before going for vacation, here is something
> > which works for me, at least seems like working for me :).
> >
> > Maybe something could be integrated upstream so simplify bbfile for next
> > version.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > JaMa
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: [QtMoko] new images v6

[Radek Polak]

Glen Ogilvie wrote:

> Just a wondering if anyone has figured out how to get tangoGPS on qtMoko to 
> use 
> the same GTK style as is used in shr and other versions, where the text is 
> actually a readable size.

I got the same idea today too :) The SHR theme is really nice. In the
meantime if you need bigger font then unpack attached file
to /opt/qtmoko/bin on your phone.

Regards

Radek


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Re: PISI 0.4 released

[Michael Pilgermann]

Hi Robin,

thx for your feedback ...

We used standard GTK Filedialog for this ... I am trying to think of any 
solution (with no need to touch GTK code ;)) ...

To be honest - I can't bring up any good ... for the mean time, you could 
simply "hard code" the path of the vcf file in your config file 
(/home/root/.pisi/conf: instead of @interactive@) ...

I don't even know, whether there are any efforts for fitting GTK on mobile 
devices - anybody else here with some input??

Michael


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> Datum: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:25:52 +1200
> Von: Robin Paulson 
> An: List for Openmoko community discussion 
> Betreff: Re: PISI 0.4 released

> 2009/8/10 Michael Pilgermann :
> > We just released PISI 0.4.
> 
> i did a sync a moment ago, from sim to interactive vcf file. it popped
> up a dialogue ox asking for a file anme, but i couldn't read most of
> it, because too much of it was off screen. could you modify this, so i
> can figure out what's happening?
> 
> cheers
> 
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Re: PISI 0.4 released

[Michael Pilgermann]

Hi JaMa,

Great! Really great stuff - thank you so much for all this work.

I had a quick look on the ticket and the patch - I can see, that you also 
included all the dependencies! Lovely!

If I understand you correctly, all I need to do is taking the following files 
from the patch:
- setup.py
- pisi_svn.bb
- ez_setup.py

Apply my changes (to the first two entries) and put them into my svn repository.

I will as well send them over to you.

The missing files are actually by purpose - that's stuff one shouldn't need 
when playing around with the code (such as Makefile) ... but wouldn't mind to 
include everything if this is required or common practice. In the end, we 
shouldn't release from SVN as there might be a non-working version in the trunk.

How would I proceed from there whenever I have a new release? Is there a patch 
/ ticket required every time?

I also noticed - from the dependencies there is openldap missing (maybe it was 
in SHR already?)

thx and greetings
(happy) Michael


BTW: What is the OE-rep about? An SHR specific one?
PS: We should think about putting all this information / stuff you are doing 
right now into a wiki - otherwise you might end up assembling bb-files for all 
new apps ... :)


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> Datum: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:54:28 +0200
> Von: Martin Jansa 
> An: List for Openmoko community discussion 
> Betreff: Re: PISI 0.4 released

> Hi,
> on Friday I uploaded patch for OE repository to shr trac:
> http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/592
> Patch contains support for
> setuptools (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/setuptools), which seems like
> standard tool for managing python packages, that's files ez_setup.py,
> setup.py and setup.cfg. It would be nice if you include those 3 files in
> your source distribution package.
> 
> I also found few files missing from
> http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/888/pisi-src-0.4.4.tar.gz,
> which were available in subversion repository, so I made only bbfile for
> "live" subversion version of pisi, I can found which files were missing if
> you can include them to pisi-src too.
> 
> As last modification of your source distribution I created pisi python
> module and moved all pisi stuff and subdirs there, because this bbfile
> installs pisi directly in /usr/lib/python*/site-packages/pisi not to
> /opt/pisi and having lots of files and directories only for pisi directly
> in
> site-packages seemed wrong for me.
> 
> So i rearranged source files like this:
> mkdir pisi
> mv pisi*.py pisi
> touch pisi/__init__.py
> mv contacts/ modules/ events/ tests/ thirdparty/ pisi
> 
> As I said before, I'm not python programer so setuptools and python
> packages
> are new for me, so it would be nice if someone could confirm, that this
> structure is sane and you could rearrange files in subversion to simplyfi
> building process.
> 
> I'll try to prepare bbfiles for new development version dependencies as
> you
> wrote in second thread.
> 
> JaMa
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Michael Pilgermann
> wrote:
> 
> > JaMa,
> >
> > thx for this offer. I don't really know, what in detail you are talking
> > about ... i was quite happy, that I managed to assemble ipkg - this is
> > all done automatically using a Makefile:
> >
> >
> https://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/Makefile?rev=135&root=pisi
> >
> > But integrating all this in feeds of repositories of course sounds good
> > to me ... just let me know, what exactly I can do for you - I am sure we
> > can sort that out 
> >
> > (till now I have always just copied the files into my ipkgs)
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > Martin Jansa wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Martin Jansa  > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have no experience with python, but I can try to prepare
> setup.py
> > for
> > > setuptools next week, if you have no time or interest in it and
> then
> > > send you patch.
> > >
> > >
> > > I had some spare time.. so before going for vacation, here is
> something
> > > which works for me, at least seems like working for me :).
> > >
> > > Maybe something could be integrated upstream so simplify bbfile for
> next
> > > version.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > JaMa
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
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[shr-u] Executing commands on USB insertion/removal?

[Olivier Migeot]

Hi,

I'm trying to execute some commands [1] whenever USB network gets up
or down. From /etc/network/interfaces, there are some lines that seem
to play that role (those starting with "up" or "down"). But it looks
like unplugging the cable doesn't change anything : for instance the
default route went on with usb0, even thought the aforementioned
interface ran out of business minutes ago.

Is this normal? Is there another way? Who killed Pamela Rose?


Thank you.

[1] Actually something that would allow to configure/unconfigure
http_proxy and ftp_proxy accordingly, but that does not really matter.
Though I have some wrapper script that doesn't work too bad for that,
or at least would work well if I could keep it informed of usb status.

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[slightly off-topic]

[Atilla Filiz]

Hi list
Dis anyone try any hack/mod for attaching neo to arm? Like PipBoy2000.
My ideas usually include duct tape, which is unpleasant for both your neo
and your arm.

happy hacking
atilla
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Re: [shr-u] Executing commands on USB insertion/removal?

[Sebastian Krzyszkowiak]

On 8/18/09, Olivier Migeot  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to execute some commands [1] whenever USB network gets up
> or down. From /etc/network/interfaces, there are some lines that seem
> to play that role (those starting with "up" or "down"). But it looks
> like unplugging the cable doesn't change anything : for instance the
> default route went on with usb0, even thought the aforementioned
> interface ran out of business minutes ago.
>
> Is this normal? Is there another way? Who killed Pamela Rose?
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> [1] Actually something that would allow to configure/unconfigure
> http_proxy and ftp_proxy accordingly, but that does not really matter.
> Though I have some wrapper script that doesn't work too bad for that,
> or at least would work well if I could keep it informed of usb status.
>
> --
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Use /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml. You should be able to use
usb insertion event as input device.

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Re: Elementary documentation

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> All I did in ElmDentica was lots of head butting against walls, that
> wiki document (and only about twice I saw it with images)

Yeah, would be nice to restore the images on that wiki pages.
Its rather difficult to decipher without images.

Sidenote: Dunno why, but what dos1 created does not include elementary.Layout,
what is listed on the wiki page. I think it is rather important part
(this allows to
design the gui in regular .edje file, and inject some elementary widget into
this gui).

So Im crying too, for an unified, and detailed documentation about all
widgets and
technics.;)

Laszlo

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[all / linux] neo as gps unit?

[jeremy jozwik]

morning all. i was just sitting here on my debian laptop, poking
around with tango gps. now my laptop does not have any sort of gps so
i get the "no gps found" deal at the bottom. that got me thinking, has
anyone setup there freerunner to act as a gps device for there
laptops?

if so, is there a wiki about it?

if not, is it possible to do?

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Re: Kernel Mode-Setting (KMS) on Neo FreeRunner + Debian

[Russell Hay]

Hear hear... well done Thomas - we're all looking forward to what you're
hacking on!

Russ


2009/8/18 Yorick Moko 

>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Chris Samuel  wrote:
>
>> I haven't seen anyone else post about this yet, but this looks really
>> neat!
>>
>> (Found via Planet Ubuntu)
>>
>> http://losca.blogspot.com/2009/08/kernel-mode-setting-kms-on-neo.html
>>
>> # Forget AMD, Intel, NVIDIA! Thomas White's incredible work with Neo
>> # FreeRunner's puny graphics dec...accelerator, Smedia Glamo 3362 is
>> starting
>> # to bear fruits.  [...]
>> #
>> # The camera shot on the right, running KMS-enabled X.org driver for the
>> glamo
>> # chip on my Debian installation (visible software
>> matchbox-window-manager,
>> # fbpanel, zhone), is a bit optimistic looking since Zhone happens to draw
>> # correctly. A lot of the drawing is not yet synced correctly, which shows
>> as
>> # all text and images in eg. GTK applications being garbled. But as little
>> as
>> # two days ago one couldn't yet much launch applications without X
>> crashing,
>> # so the newest commits by Thomas were a big step forwards. I'm using
>> Debian,
>> # and he's not, so I try to find time to help in debugging even though I
>> # really can't much help with the driver code.
>> #
>> # The driver is not just one piece of code, but consists of a kernel drm
>> # driver (direct rendering manager) using GEM, libdrm support for the
>> kernel
>> # driver and finally the X.org driver supporting these other components
>> and
>> # offering buzz-words like DRI2. There is also a beginning of a Mesa 3D
>> # driver, though it is so far just a skeleton driver since the
>> 2D/KMS/EXA/DRM
>> # parts are what should be done first before dwelling into the OpenGL
>> realm.
>> [...]
>>
>> Even has an excerpt from the X servers log file with:
>>
>> # (WW) Glamo(0): EXA hardware acceleration initialising
>> # (II) EXA(0): Driver allocated offscreen pixmaps
>> # (II) EXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
>> # (II) Solid
>> # (II) Copy
>> # (II) Glamo(0): Initialized EXA acceleration
>>
>> Thomas's own blog is here:
>>
>> http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/
>>
>> cheers,
>> Chris
>> --
>>  Chris Samuel  :  http://www.csamuel.org/  :  Melbourne, VIC
>>
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Re: [all / linux] neo as gps unit?

[KaZeR]

jeremy jozwik wrote:
> 
> morning all. i was just sitting here on my debian laptop, poking
> around with tango gps. now my laptop does not have any sort of gps so
> i get the "no gps found" deal at the bottom. that got me thinking, has
> anyone setup there freerunner to act as a gps device for there
> laptops?
> 
> if so, is there a wiki about it?
> 
> if not, is it possible to do?
> 

It is possible, indeed. You might be interested in reading [1]

K-

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS#Using_GPS

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Re: Kernel Mode-Setting (KMS) on Neo FreeRunner + Debian

[Davide Scaini]

yes, great!
waiting for a video ;-) (i saw only a photo on his blog...)
thanks
d

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Russell Hay  wrote:

> Hear hear... well done Thomas - we're all looking forward to what you're
> hacking on!
>
> Russ
>
>
> 2009/8/18 Yorick Moko 
>
>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Chris Samuel  wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't seen anyone else post about this yet, but this looks really
>>> neat!
>>>
>>> (Found via Planet Ubuntu)
>>>
>>> http://losca.blogspot.com/2009/08/kernel-mode-setting-kms-on-neo.html
>>>
>>> # Forget AMD, Intel, NVIDIA! Thomas White's incredible work with Neo
>>> # FreeRunner's puny graphics dec...accelerator, Smedia Glamo 3362 is
>>> starting
>>> # to bear fruits.  [...]
>>> #
>>> # The camera shot on the right, running KMS-enabled X.org driver for the
>>> glamo
>>> # chip on my Debian installation (visible software
>>> matchbox-window-manager,
>>> # fbpanel, zhone), is a bit optimistic looking since Zhone happens to
>>> draw
>>> # correctly. A lot of the drawing is not yet synced correctly, which
>>> shows as
>>> # all text and images in eg. GTK applications being garbled. But as
>>> little as
>>> # two days ago one couldn't yet much launch applications without X
>>> crashing,
>>> # so the newest commits by Thomas were a big step forwards. I'm using
>>> Debian,
>>> # and he's not, so I try to find time to help in debugging even though I
>>> # really can't much help with the driver code.
>>> #
>>> # The driver is not just one piece of code, but consists of a kernel drm
>>> # driver (direct rendering manager) using GEM, libdrm support for the
>>> kernel
>>> # driver and finally the X.org driver supporting these other components
>>> and
>>> # offering buzz-words like DRI2. There is also a beginning of a Mesa 3D
>>> # driver, though it is so far just a skeleton driver since the
>>> 2D/KMS/EXA/DRM
>>> # parts are what should be done first before dwelling into the OpenGL
>>> realm.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Even has an excerpt from the X servers log file with:
>>>
>>> # (WW) Glamo(0): EXA hardware acceleration initialising
>>> # (II) EXA(0): Driver allocated offscreen pixmaps
>>> # (II) EXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
>>> # (II) Solid
>>> # (II) Copy
>>> # (II) Glamo(0): Initialized EXA acceleration
>>>
>>> Thomas's own blog is here:
>>>
>>> http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Chris
>>> --
>>>  Chris Samuel  :  http://www.csamuel.org/  :  Melbourne, VIC
>>>
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Re: [all / linux] neo as gps unit?

[Martin Jansa]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 08:17:49AM -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote:
> morning all. i was just sitting here on my debian laptop, poking
> around with tango gps. now my laptop does not have any sort of gps so
> i get the "no gps found" deal at the bottom. that got me thinking, has
> anyone setup there freerunner to act as a gps device for there
> laptops?
> 
> if so, is there a wiki about it?
> 
> if not, is it possible to do?

Its quite easy to setup.

1) check /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd and set -S parametr to ip:port where ip is
ie ip address of your wifi interface on neo where you would like to access gpsd
from laptop, and port you can keep default gpsd.

2) on laptop check that this ip address is available with ping and then
set address of gpsd in tangogps last tab to that ip.

3) if something goes wrong, check port availability with nmap and gps
data on laptop side with gpspipe.

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Re: [all / linux] neo as gps unit?

[jeremy jozwik]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM, KaZeR wrote:
> It is possible, indeed. You might be interested in reading [1]
>
> K-

nice, have you done this? on my debian lenny i get a usage response when running
nc -vvn -l -p 5000 > /tmp/nmeaNP

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Re: [all / linux] neo as gps unit?

[Helge Hafting]

jeremy jozwik wrote:
> morning all. i was just sitting here on my debian laptop, poking
> around with tango gps. now my laptop does not have any sort of gps so
> i get the "no gps found" deal at the bottom. that got me thinking, has
> anyone setup there freerunner to act as a gps device for there
> laptops?
> 
> if so, is there a wiki about it?
> 
> if not, is it possible to do?

It is simple, because sharing a gps unit over the network is an old 
feature of linux.

The freerunner makes its gps available on port 2947.
So, just connect your laptop and phone. If you use the
usb cable, the phone will have ip address 192.168.0.202

Set up your laptop gps software to use the gps unit at
192.168.0.202:2947, instead of the default localhost:2947.

It worked well last time I tried it.

Helge Hafting

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Re: [slightly off-topic]

[Christophe Badoit]

Le mardi 18 août 2009 16:36:24, Atilla Filiz a écrit :
> Hi list
> Dis anyone try any hack/mod for attaching neo to arm? Like PipBoy2000.
> My ideas usually include duct tape, which is unpleasant for both your neo
> and your arm.

I'm a lot more interested in the PipBoy Software than in a mod for attaching 
the neo.

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Re: [all / linux] neo as gps unit?

[Patryk Benderz]

[cut]
> if not, is it possible to do?
You might try this:
http://www.opkg.org/package_91.html

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Re: Elementary documentation

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 05:14:46PM +0200, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > All I did in ElmDentica was lots of head butting against walls, that
> > wiki document (and only about twice I saw it with images)
> 
> Yeah, would be nice to restore the images on that wiki pages.
> Its rather difficult to decipher without images.
> 
> Sidenote: Dunno why, but what dos1 created does not include elementary.Layout,
> what is listed on the wiki page. I think it is rather important part
> (this allows to
> design the gui in regular .edje file, and inject some elementary widget into
> this gui).

Can you show me a complete mini-example, please?

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Re: Kernel Mode-Setting (KMS) on Neo FreeRunner + Debian

[Dan Staley]

The glamo.useful?  If this work continues...perhaps a rethink of
gta02-core is in order?!
Keep up the great work Thomas!

Also +1 on the video.

-Dan Staley

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Davide Scaini  wrote:

> yes, great!
> waiting for a video ;-) (i saw only a photo on his blog...)
> thanks
> d
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Russell Hay  wrote:
>
>> Hear hear... well done Thomas - we're all looking forward to what you're
>> hacking on!
>>
>> Russ
>>
>>
>> 2009/8/18 Yorick Moko 
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Chris Samuel  wrote:
>>>
 I haven't seen anyone else post about this yet, but this looks really
 neat!

 (Found via Planet Ubuntu)

 http://losca.blogspot.com/2009/08/kernel-mode-setting-kms-on-neo.html

 # Forget AMD, Intel, NVIDIA! Thomas White's incredible work with Neo
 # FreeRunner's puny graphics dec...accelerator, Smedia Glamo 3362 is
 starting
 # to bear fruits.  [...]
 #
 # The camera shot on the right, running KMS-enabled X.org driver for the
 glamo
 # chip on my Debian installation (visible software
 matchbox-window-manager,
 # fbpanel, zhone), is a bit optimistic looking since Zhone happens to
 draw
 # correctly. A lot of the drawing is not yet synced correctly, which
 shows as
 # all text and images in eg. GTK applications being garbled. But as
 little as
 # two days ago one couldn't yet much launch applications without X
 crashing,
 # so the newest commits by Thomas were a big step forwards. I'm using
 Debian,
 # and he's not, so I try to find time to help in debugging even though I
 # really can't much help with the driver code.
 #
 # The driver is not just one piece of code, but consists of a kernel drm
 # driver (direct rendering manager) using GEM, libdrm support for the
 kernel
 # driver and finally the X.org driver supporting these other components
 and
 # offering buzz-words like DRI2. There is also a beginning of a Mesa 3D
 # driver, though it is so far just a skeleton driver since the
 2D/KMS/EXA/DRM
 # parts are what should be done first before dwelling into the OpenGL
 realm.
 [...]

 Even has an excerpt from the X servers log file with:

 # (WW) Glamo(0): EXA hardware acceleration initialising
 # (II) EXA(0): Driver allocated offscreen pixmaps
 # (II) EXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
 # (II) Solid
 # (II) Copy
 # (II) Glamo(0): Initialized EXA acceleration

 Thomas's own blog is here:

 http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/

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Re: [slightly off-topic]

[joakim]

Atilla Filiz  writes:

> Hi list
> Dis anyone try any hack/mod for attaching neo to arm? Like PipBoy2000.
> My ideas usually include duct tape, which is unpleasant for both your neo and 
> your arm.

I'm working on modifying my FR for wrist usage.

I have stripped the shell, and removed a couple of components to make it
smaller. I intend only to use the BT unit to control another device.
I intend to place the battery under the wrist and the FR on top of the
wrist, using a leather bracelet or something, that I havent found yet.


> happy hacking
> atilla
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Re: [all / linux] neo as gps unit?

[jeremy jozwik]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Patryk Benderz wrote:
> You might try this:
> http://www.opkg.org/package_91.html

interesting. not sure if my laptop has bluetooth though...

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Re: [all / linux] neo as gps unit?

[The Digital Pioneer]

Just use USB and gpsd. It works perfectly well. Except for me, my GPS quit
working a while back and hasn't started again yet. }:(
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Re: Kernel Mode-Setting (KMS) on Neo FreeRunner + Debian

[Timo Jyrinki]

2009/8/18 Chris Samuel :
> I haven't seen anyone else post about this yet, but this looks really neat!
>
> (Found via Planet Ubuntu)
>
> http://losca.blogspot.com/2009/08/kernel-mode-setting-kms-on-neo.html

Yes, I thought to give some sneak peak to it as I was so happy to get
Thomas' work working that far. Now FreeRunner is usable as a phone
(=Zhone) when using KMS-enabled glamo driver.

2009/8/18 Dan Staley :
> Also +1 on the video.

I added now a video to the blog post. Hope you enjoy it! It's somewhat
cutted at two points, let the public think we can actually boot Debian
with all the software in 1:40 ;)

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Re: Kernel Mode-Setting (KMS) on Neo FreeRunner + Debian

[Davide Scaini]

thanks for the video...
it would be nice to see how it works wit enlightenment... but maybe it's
better to wait till thomas finishes his work ;-)
thanks again
d

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Timo Jyrinki wrote:

> 2009/8/18 Chris Samuel :
> > I haven't seen anyone else post about this yet, but this looks really
> neat!
> >
> > (Found via Planet Ubuntu)
> >
> > http://losca.blogspot.com/2009/08/kernel-mode-setting-kms-on-neo.html
>
> Yes, I thought to give some sneak peak to it as I was so happy to get
> Thomas' work working that far. Now FreeRunner is usable as a phone
> (=Zhone) when using KMS-enabled glamo driver.
>
> 2009/8/18 Dan Staley :
> > Also +1 on the video.
>
> I added now a video to the blog post. Hope you enjoy it! It's somewhat
> cutted at two points, let the public think we can actually boot Debian
> with all the software in 1:40 ;)
>
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Re: [all / linux] neo as gps unit?

[Mikhail Umorin]

>
> It is possible, indeed. You might be interested in reading [1]
>
> K-
>
> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS#Using_GPS

Neither of the two methods offered in that wiki worked for me...

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Re: [all / linux] neo as gps unit?

[jeremy jozwik]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Mikhail Umorin wrote:
> Neither of the two methods offered in that wiki worked for me...

oh good, so its not just me who cant use that "nc" code listed

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Re: [all / linux] neo as gps unit?

[arne anka]

> The freerunner makes its gps available on port 2947.
> So, just connect your laptop and phone. If you use the
> usb cable, the phone will have ip address 192.168.0.202
>
> Set up your laptop gps software to use the gps unit at
> 192.168.0.202:2947, instead of the default localhost:2947.

doesn't work here -- according to netstat fso-gpsd listens on 127.0.0.1  
only.
a quick glance over /etc/init.d&fso-gpsd did not reveal an easy way to  
change that.

ssh -L 2947:localhost:2947 r...@192.168.0.202

otoh works immediately (and does not require to modify the navit.xml).

but i would defiitely prefer the solution you describe, so, someone out  
there having some ideas how to make fso-gpsd communicate with the outside  
world?

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Re: [all / linux] neo as gps unit?

[arne anka]

> a quick glance over /etc/init.d&fso-gpsd did not reveal an easy way to
> change that.

a glance a tad slower shows the line

DAEMON_OPTS="-S localhost:gpsd -P $PIDFILE"

change localhost to 192.168.0.202 and the gpsd is available from outer  
space ...

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Re: Getting location info from cell tower

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Did you try the FSO CellBroadcast API to enable the channel your provider 
sends this on?

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Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo

[Gerald A]

Hi,
Looking at my Neo this morning, I noticed that it looked like the case
wasn't put back on straight.

I removed the back to find the battery is slightly bulging. I'm assuming
this isn't a good thing.

The device was running fine, but as a precaution I powered down and pulled
out the battery.

I'm wondering if there are any approved replacement batteries, or if
Openmoko sells the originals.

>From what I understand, the GTA02 (freerunner) batteries are different.
Would they work? Where
would I buy a GTA01/02 battery?

Thanks,
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Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo

[RANJAN]

Hi

I removed the back to find the battery is slightly bulging. I'm assuming
> this isn't a good thing.
>
 Lithium poly/ion batteries bulge so when they go bad.Never charge it or use
it again .IT MAY EXPLODE.I had some bad experiences with them.

>
> The device was running fine, but as a precaution I powered down and pulled
> out the battery.
>

Good.

>
> I'm wondering if there are any approved replacement batteries, or if
> Openmoko sells the originals.
>

BL-C5A (name might be jumbled up but a Nokia battery did work for me.)


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Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo

[jeremy jozwik]

> BL-C5A (name might be jumbled up but a Nokia battery did work for me.)

can you see how much charge is left with that? or how much longer to
full charge?

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Re: [litephone] entering numbers during a call

[Christian Rüb]

> On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 10:59 +0200, Christian Rüb wrote:
> > 
> > I made a new ipk based on above commit [1] (litephone_0.0+git52+e6f7...). 
> > Ali, can you please check if it works for you now?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> >  Christian
> > 
> > [1] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/
> Hey, thanks for the quick reply, fix, and ipk, but it is still not
> working. How does one bring up the keypad during a call in litephone? I
> click the phone icon, key in the number and the screen changes to active
> call: (number) with the vol up and down icons to the right. I press the
> phone icon again to go to the only keypad i've seen in litephone and
> pressing the keys there does not send the tones. For the hell of it i
> pressed call after keying in my pin, and it just attempts to make
> another call as expected. Am I doing something wrong? Does it work for
> you guys?

Just tried it with litephone integrated numpad and it worked (checked my 
account balance using IVR).
I just packaged latest version from git which includes bug fixes (e.g. call 
log) and UI improvements (messages).

current version is: 0.0+git55+09876ba843d6a731c72ed2134c82bfc8f7945d5e-r2

If you have still problems, please also provide your version.

Cheers,
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Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo

[Paul Fertser]

Gerald A  writes:
> Looking at my Neo this morning, I noticed that it looked like the
> case wasn't put back on straight.
>
> I removed the back to find the battery is slightly bulging. I'm
> assuming this isn't a good thing.

Yes, using a battery like that is discouraged. Basically for gta01 you
can use BL-5C or even better (more capacity) BL-6C but currently it
doesn't charge it afaik. I'll try to come up with a patch to make it
work.

Please catch me on IRC if you want to be early tester/adopter.

Also you might want to read
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers

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[debian] navit: how good is the debian package?

[arne anka]

did anyone test the navit packages available from plain debian?
how fats are they and how good do they work?

am not really ahppy with the dependencies on garmin (how many people  
actually use garmin maps?), speech, python bindings and most of all  
mdbtools (who uses access files with navit?).
additionally, i am not really able to figure out the level of optimization  
(like floating point and CCFLAGS="-march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t").

the package i built by myself (http://ginguppin.de/node/26) is rather fast  
and responsive, but still 0.1.0 while debian already has 0.1.1 and a  
navit.xml with some new stuff, i like (the different vehicles for car,  
bike, and so on).
so, if anybody has experiences to share?

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Re: [debian] navit: how good is the debian package?

[Fox Mulder]

arne anka wrote:
> did anyone test the navit packages available from plain debian?
> how fats are they and how good do they work?
> 
> am not really ahppy with the dependencies on garmin (how many people  
> actually use garmin maps?), speech, python bindings and most of all  
> mdbtools (who uses access files with navit?).
> additionally, i am not really able to figure out the level of optimization  
> (like floating point and CCFLAGS="-march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t").
> 
> the package i built by myself (http://ginguppin.de/node/26) is rather fast  
> and responsive, but still 0.1.0 while debian already has 0.1.1 and a  
> navit.xml with some new stuff, i like (the different vehicles for car,  
> bike, and so on).
> so, if anybody has experiences to share?

I only tried it once but this was months ago and it worked not so good
(quite slow).

Since than i always compile navit myself from source directly on my
freerunner (thanks to all the gcc tools in debian for freerunner).
It compiles about half an hour but i can use every compile switch i like
and it always runs quite fast. At the moment i think this is the best
way for a fast and optimized version of navit.

And with every new navit version (when i'm in the mood to update my
version) i also compile "osm2navit" on my pc from the same source
package. Than i create a new map file in bin format because i read that
with newer navit versions sometimes new features were added to the map
format which i don't want to miss. :)

Ciao,
 Rainer

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Re: your mail

[Martin Jansa]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 02:08:53PM +0200, Michael Pilgermann wrote:
> (cross post from SHR list)
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> For an Openmoko PIM Synchronization tool (called PISI) I developed a
> module to integrate with SyncML-servers this weekend. It is all running
> fine on my Linux box (desktop) already.
> 
> I had some libs to install in order to get prepared. Now, for putting
> the package together for the Openmoko I need to port them. However, I am
> not very familar with this stuff (Python programmer) and have no
> toolchain installed (I think, I heart that's the way to go for that kind
> of stuff) ...
> 
> 
> So my question is, whether somebody (who has maybe already a fully
> functional toolchain installed) could assemble Openmoko packages (best
> ipk I would say) for the following three modules:
> 
> - wbxml
> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/libwbxml/files/libwbxml/0.10.7/libwbxml-0.10.7.tar.gz/download)
> - libsoup (http://live.gnome.org/LibSoup)
> - libsyncml
> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/libsyncml/files/libsyncml/0.5.4/libsyncml-0.5.4.tar.gz/download)
> 
> 
> PS: There were comments already, that BB-files should be the way to go - 
> however, about that I know even less ...

All those 3 are already in OE repository.. I can sent you those opkg
files if you want..

There are older versions (now in shr/import branch)

wbxml: 
./opensync/wbxml2_0.9.2.bb

libsoup:
./gnome/libsoup-2.4_2.4.1.bb
./gnome/libsoup_2.2.96.bb
./gnome/libsoup_2.2.93.bb
./gnome/libsoup-2.4_2.26.0.bb
./gnome/libsoup_2.2.7.bb
./gnome/libsoup_2.2.100.bb

libsyncml:
./opensync/libsyncml_svn.bb
./opensync/libsyncml_0.4.6.bb
./opensync/libsyncml_0.4.0.bb

Let me know, if you need most recent versions as you linked.

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Re: [litephone] entering numbers during a call

[Ali]

On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 22:01 +0200, Christian Rüb wrote:
> Just tried it with litephone integrated numpad and it worked (checked my 
> account balance using IVR).
> I just packaged latest version from git which includes bug fixes (e.g. call 
> log) and UI improvements (messages).
> 
> current version is: 0.0+git55+09876ba843d6a731c72ed2134c82bfc8f7945d5e-r2
> 
> If you have still problems, please also provide your version.
> 
> Cheers,
>  Christian
Hate to do this to you but it *still* doesn't work here :( I saw that
version on http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/  a couple days ago
and it's dated aug 16, the one dated aug 18th is git62. I tried both and
still can't send dtmf tones for some reason :( Even had a friend tell me
he couldn't here a thing when I pressed the keypad numbers. Would it be
worth it to compile myself? Any suggestions about things I can try? I
love this phone app and would much prefer to use it over the default
dialer/contacts/messages 


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Re: [litephone] entering numbers during a call

[Christian Rüb]

> On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 22:01 +0200, Christian Rüb wrote:
> > Just tried it with litephone integrated numpad and it worked (checked my 
> > account balance using IVR).
> > I just packaged latest version from git which includes bug fixes (e.g. call 
> > log) and UI improvements (messages).
> > 
> > current version is: 0.0+git55+09876ba843d6a731c72ed2134c82bfc8f7945d5e-r2
> > 
> > If you have still problems, please also provide your version.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> >  Christian
> Hate to do this to you but it *still* doesn't work here :( I saw that
> version on http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/  a couple days ago
> and it's dated aug 16, the one dated aug 18th is git62. I tried both and
> still can't send dtmf tones for some reason :( Even had a friend tell me
> he couldn't here a thing when I pressed the keypad numbers. Would it be
> worth it to compile myself? Any suggestions about things I can try? I
> love this phone app and would much prefer to use it over the default
> dialer/contacts/messages 

Sorry, was a typo. You are right git66 is latest version.

I only do the packaging, so I only can provide my bb recipe [1] but I guess 
that won't help much. Maybe one of the devs has any idea?
Or maybe some else knows how to test if DTMF is really sent. Maybe there are 
different ways to do so? - I know that there are several ways to send DTMF in 
SIP but I have no idea how this is done in GSM networks.
As mentioned in my previous mail - I could navigate through the IVR of my 
provider using litephone numpad and using version git66.

Anyone knows how to debug this?

Cheers,
 Christian

[1] 
http://git.senfdax.de/?p=oe_recipes;a=tree;f=litephone;h=c85b0812b8492e1d591520e82d016d0e66fd;hb=99cb19ca96b09a31278576b83faa7e1e35901240

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Re: [litephone] entering numbers during a call

[Christof Musik]

Hi

this is really weird, but I have 2 more thing you could try/check.

Try this commmand during a call:

mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.SendDtmf 'dbus.String("1")'

This is the FSO function that litephone calls.

The other thing you should check is if the message "Sending tone 1"
appears on stdout if you press the keypad. You could also try the
"nogsm" mode (/usr/bin/litephone nogsm). This should also give you the
message.

Hope this helps to find the problem.

Kind regards,
Christof


On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 02:46:01PM -0700, Ali wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 22:01 +0200, Christian Rüb wrote:
> > Just tried it with litephone integrated numpad and it worked (checked my 
> > account balance using IVR).
> > I just packaged latest version from git which includes bug fixes (e.g. call 
> > log) and UI improvements (messages).
> > 
> > current version is: 0.0+git55+09876ba843d6a731c72ed2134c82bfc8f7945d5e-r2
> > 
> > If you have still problems, please also provide your version.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> >  Christian
> Hate to do this to you but it *still* doesn't work here :( I saw that
> version on http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/  a couple days ago
> and it's dated aug 16, the one dated aug 18th is git62. I tried both and
> still can't send dtmf tones for some reason :( Even had a friend tell me
> he couldn't here a thing when I pressed the keypad numbers. Would it be
> worth it to compile myself? Any suggestions about things I can try? I
> love this phone app and would much prefer to use it over the default
> dialer/contacts/messages 
> 
> 
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Re: [litephone] entering numbers during a call

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/18 Ali 

> Hate to do this to you but it *still* doesn't work here :( I saw that
> version on http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/  a couple days ago
> and it's dated aug 16, the one dated aug 18th is git62. I tried both and
> still can't send dtmf tones for some reason :( Even had a friend tell me
> he couldn't here a thing when I pressed the keypad numbers. Would it be
> worth it to compile myself? Any suggestions about things I can try? I
> love this phone app and would much prefer to use it over the default
> dialer/contacts/messages
>

Are you sure you have the git version installed?

When I had 0.0.1-r3 installed, and I tried installing the git one, opkg kept
0.0.1-r3 saying it's the newest version. I failed to notice this line at
first, so I've used the older version for a while, thinking it's the new
one. It's a wild guess though.
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Re: [litephone] entering numbers during a call

[Ali]

On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 00:59 +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote:

> 
> Are you sure you have the git version installed? 
> 
> When I had 0.0.1-r3 installed, and I tried installing the git one,
> opkg kept 0.0.1-r3 saying it's the newest version. I failed to notice
> this line at first, so I've used the older version for a while,
> thinking it's the new one. It's a wild guess though.

lol, you were right! I feel like such a retard, since I've pointed this out to 
others myself (not for this package). I saw "installed on root and up to date, 
didn't realize it was an error, but it was very obvious. This is what happens 
when you go three weeks without using it ;) (damn buzzfix) Thanks for the help 
guys and sorry for buggin you with something so benign :( But it all works 
great now! My next task: find out why icewm  fails to fire up :)


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Re: PISI 0.4 released

[Robin Paulson]

2009/8/19 Michael Pilgermann :
> We used standard GTK Filedialog for this ... I am trying to think of any 
> solution (with no need to touch GTK code ;)) ...
>
> To be honest - I can't bring up any good ... for the mean time, you could 
> simply "hard code" the path of the vcf file in your config file 
> (/home/root/.pisi/conf: instead of @interactive@) ...

right, i can do that no problem. i wasn't actually sure what an
interactive vcf file was...now i realise interactive refers to the
method of using it, not the file itself. ah, the joys of the english
language and it's many ambiguities

>
> I don't even know, whether there are any efforts for fitting GTK on mobile 
> devices - anybody else here with some input??

i could only suggest re-writing it in e, but that's a huge amount of
work that probably justifiably, you're not keen to do

oh, excellent software by the way. cheers for the effort

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Re: Getting location info from cell tower

[c_c]

Hi,

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer-2 wrote:
> 
> Did you try the FSO CellBroadcast API to enable the channel your provider 
> sends this on?
> 
  I did SetCellBroadcastSubscriptions for channel 50 and got nothing. I'm
now trying to find out which channel the data is being sent on here. Will
try that and post back.
Thanks
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Re: Getting location info from cell tower

[Chris Samuel]

On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:18:08 pm c_c wrote:

> I did SetCellBroadcastSubscriptions for channel 50 and got nothing.

Got a vague memory that it's channel 11 here in Australia, I'm no longer 
running QtMoko so I can't check I'm afraid. :-(

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Re: Getting location info from cell tower

[c_c]

Hi,
  Just to confirm - would SetCellBroadcastSubscriptions for channel 50
correspond to something like  AT+CSCB=0,"50","1" ?
  I'm Not too clued up on AT commands for GSM.

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Re: [shr-u] Executing commands on USB insertion/removal?

[Olivier Migeot]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Sebastian
Krzyszkowiak wrote:

> Use /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml. You should be able to use
> usb insertion event as input device.

Thank you, I'll look into it. But meantime I realized my script only
needed to know whether the USB networking was up or down, and
/sys/class/net/usb0/carrier did the trick better than I had intended.

Regards,

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Packaging of Python Programs (was Re: PISI 0.4 released)

[Michael Pilgermann]

Hi all,

since I am getting a bit confused about this topic, I thought I start a small 
discussion on it.

Background was our sync app PISI (written in Python), which we now tried to 
include in distributions (here SHR) using BB files.

Martin was kind enough to prepare a first draft of the bb file (and all the 
other stuff required) in order to get a running package for PISI (thx again) ...

Last night, I was then trying to take these avaialbe files and wanted to modify 
in order to suit our needs appropriately. I started with changing the files ... 
was looking around on setuptools documents, changed more files - and then came 
back to the following question:

*** Should we really install a Python application as a site-package?? ***

Setuptools (and whatever similar stuff is out there for Python packaging) is a 
very good tool to assemble and distribute Python site-packages (so to say 
Python libraries) - stuff, that extends Python by some additional functionality.
A program, however, does not extend the functionaility of the language - it is 
just an application itself.

So, my question is, whether we should distinguish between "libraries" and 
"applications" when talking about packaging Python "programs". "libraries" 
would go into site-packages; "applications" into some corresponding folder 
(e.g. /opt/$PROGRAMNAME) ...

That is just a suggestion - I am really not sure, which is the way to go. How 
are other Python "applications" handling this issue? For me it looks somehow 
artificial to put an application under site-packages for Python.

Comments are very welcome ... :D

Michael



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> Datum: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:54:28 +0200
> Von: Martin Jansa 
> An: List for Openmoko community discussion 
> Betreff: Re: PISI 0.4 released

> Hi,
> on Friday I uploaded patch for OE repository to shr trac:
> http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/592
> Patch contains support for
> setuptools (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/setuptools), which seems like
> standard tool for managing python packages, that's files ez_setup.py,
> setup.py and setup.cfg. It would be nice if you include those 3 files in
> your source distribution package.
> 
> I also found few files missing from
> http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/888/pisi-src-0.4.4.tar.gz,
> which were available in subversion repository, so I made only bbfile for
> "live" subversion version of pisi, I can found which files were missing if
> you can include them to pisi-src too.
> 
> As last modification of your source distribution I created pisi python
> module and moved all pisi stuff and subdirs there, because this bbfile
> installs pisi directly in /usr/lib/python*/site-packages/pisi not to
> /opt/pisi and having lots of files and directories only for pisi directly
> in
> site-packages seemed wrong for me.
> 
> So i rearranged source files like this:
> mkdir pisi
> mv pisi*.py pisi
> touch pisi/__init__.py
> mv contacts/ modules/ events/ tests/ thirdparty/ pisi
> 
> As I said before, I'm not python programer so setuptools and python
> packages
> are new for me, so it would be nice if someone could confirm, that this
> structure is sane and you could rearrange files in subversion to simplyfi
> building process.
> 
> I'll try to prepare bbfiles for new development version dependencies as
> you
> wrote in second thread.
> 
> JaMa
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Michael Pilgermann
> wrote:
> 
> > JaMa,
> >
> > thx for this offer. I don't really know, what in detail you are talking
> > about ... i was quite happy, that I managed to assemble ipkg - this is
> > all done automatically using a Makefile:
> >
> >
> https://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/Makefile?rev=135&root=pisi
> >
> > But integrating all this in feeds of repositories of course sounds good
> > to me ... just let me know, what exactly I can do for you - I am sure we
> > can sort that out 
> >
> > (till now I have always just copied the files into my ipkgs)
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > Martin Jansa wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Martin Jansa  > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have no experience with python, but I can try to prepare
> setup.py
> > for
> > > setuptools next week, if you have no time or interest in it and
> then
> > > send you patch.
> > >
> > >
> > > I had some spare time.. so before going for vacation, here is
> something
> > > which works for me, at least seems like working for me :).
> > >
> > > Maybe something could be integrated upstream so simplify bbfile for
> next
> > > version.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > JaMa
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
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