Re: Freerunner in real world

[Stefan Monnier]

> It's only displayed when dumb battery is inserted.

Duh!  So there is code that can automatically detect when a dumb-battery
is inserted, but the kernel's driver isn't able to automatically (and
dynamically) choose which driver to use?  Sounds like there's room
for improvement.


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Re: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume

[Stefan Monnier]

>> This used to be a feature implemented in the earlier kernels, and was
>> later dropped.  Has it been re-added?  If so, in which kernel version?
>> In Debian's 2.6.29 it doesn't seem to be present.

> r...@om-gta02 ~ $ uname -a
> Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Tue Sep 1 23:03:59 CEST 2009
> armv4tl unknown

There are many different 2.6.29 versions when it comes to the FR, sadly.
But IIUC you're saying that your phone using the abov kernel does
shutdown if you keep the power button pressed for 8s?

> I think this is a feature that is at a lower level than the kernel...

I'm pretty sure that's not the case.  It may be implemented at
a higher-level, tho.  But I also remember seeing a patch submitted for
the kernel to re-add the feature.  I just don't know if it made it into
"the official FR kernel" (which sadly, doesn't seem to exist),


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Re: Performance of the accelerometer on FR

[RANJAN]

>
>
> >I have been testing the accelerometers on the free runner via bluetooth at
> 38400 bps.Here is my test video:
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdads8XAYcE
>
> >I think at 38400 it is not pretty real time.What could be the maximum
> refresh rate of the accelerometers?And what is the best way >to read this
> data.Is 38400 is the maximum speed that can be achieved with the bluetooth
> on FR?
>
> >Anyone any idea?
>
> >Sriranjan
>


Hi,

What are the accelerometers used in the FR (company and model number)?I
think it might be Freescale's MMA7260.If it is it has selectable
sensitivities in the range of +/- 1.5 g to 6 g what has been selected in the
free runner.What I observed is that the Free runner is able to detect shocks
as in if a person is running it will work well to detect such shocks.Also if
one has to use it to shuffle songs it will work well.

Please let me know.

Thanks and Regards
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Re: Internal pressure sensor

[Jeff Sadowski]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Mikhail Umorin  wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:18:51 Christoph Mair wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I successfully added a pressure sensor to my Freerunner. The BMP085 chip
>> from Bosch Sensortec is a small (5x5x1.5mm) chip which includes a pressure
>> and a temperature sensor. Power and I2C is enough to get it working. I
>> glued it next to the BT antenna. The wiki page contains some pictures:
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor
>> Sourcecode is available from http://gitorious.org/freerunner-navigation-
>> board/bmp085
>>
>> Christoph
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> Cool!
>
> can be very helpful during mountain hiking (not that GPS does not help already
> -- but it may not be always available)
>

I'm wondering how much battery it draws probably not much but for
backing trips it might not be all that useful.
Bring extra charged batteries? What do others do for backpacking
trips. Seems all cellphones eat batteries and aren't smart enough to
stop searching for a signal when there is none.

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Auto home page on applications

[rakshat hooja]

Forwarding this to the community list for information.

Rakshat

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From: RANJAN 
Date: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:50 AM
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To: rakshat hooja 
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Hi,

Uploaded the page of autohome on applications page :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Auto_Home

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Re: Paroli Theme/UI proposals

[Dan Staley]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Steven Le Roux  wrote:

> It's just Brilliant !!
> I would love to use that ! But maybe it should be a different project than
> paroli because I think it more than a theme which is needed to approach your
> mockups
>
>  On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Jon Kristian Nilsen <
> jokr.nil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Long overdue, but here it comes:)
>>
>> As mentioned a couple of times on irc, I've been working on a few ideas
>> I've had regarding paroli.
>> What got me interested in this was the post to the ML some time ago:
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/048133.html
>>
>> Now these are just mock-ups, but ihmo pretty god ones. I've spent quality
>> time thinking about user friendliness and what I'd like to see:) Ofcourse
>> I've probably missed
>> out a few bit's and pieces here and there, heck, I don't even know if it's
>> doable, but I will let others be the judge of that, since im not familiar
>> with the code.
>>
>> It's all explained in my post and under each picture, so I hope you guys
>> understand my thoughts even though English is my 2nd language:D
>>
>> Hope you guys like my work:
>> http://jonkristian.no/2009/08/paroli-ui-theme-proposals/
>>
>>
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Those ideas look great!  But I agree with Steven, I think it would require
much more than a theme to get that functionality working.
Great work though!  That concept looks very usable!

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Re: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 30 September 2009, Jed wrote:
> Al Johnson, did you get my last response? below

It was waiting for me, along with this one, when I finally got round to 
checking my mail today.

>  Hi All,
> 
>  I was wondering if there's any good Universal Remote software for CE
>  &or HA being developed in this ecosystem?
> 
>  Does anyone know of anything under way or a related Linux project that
>  could be re-adapted to it?
> 
>  I have something "roughly" like this visualised... (see attached txt
>  file)
> 
>  I have an old Axim X50v which android is being ported to atm...
>  But progress is slow so I may have to find a better supported device
>  soon.
> 
>  Any thoughts/ideas/advice greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Can't control the TV or whatever without the HTPC being powered up. Many
> > would see that as core functionality in a universal remote. If you don't
> > then the Freerunner may be what you're looking for.
>
> Sorry if I'd sent my diagram through properly you'd have understood why
> it's not that imperative for me. The idea is to have a dedicated CE/HA
> controller/bridge. It will ideally be relatively low power/profile.
>
> [I've attached the diagram again in case you didn't see it when I
> re-sent it earlier, tis very basic]

Yes - if that had been attached in the first place my responses might have 
been slightly different!

> >> How would BT be better than using Wifi as the medium to the controller
> >> PC? Do none of the openmoko hardware devices have wifi integrated?
> >
> > It was just a suggestion as to how you could get infrared functionality
> > with an existing BT remote app. There's no reason not to use WiFi if it
> > suits you better - the Freerunner has both. BT uses less power,
> > especially if your WiFi access point doesn't support the power saving
> > mode. WiFi is faster and has longer range.
>
> K cool, I just thought you might know something I didn't, thanks!
>
> >>> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ReMoko
> >>> [2] http://n2.nabble.com/Auto-home-revision-1-1-td3698124.html
> >>
> >> I've also come across this and am quite impressed thus far!
> >> http://openremote.org/display/orb/Boss+Overview
> >
> > Last time I looked many of the features turned out to be intended but not
> > implemented, but that may have changed by now. You might also like to
> > check out LinuxMCE, PlutoHome, MisterHouse and Minerva.
>
> Isn't LinuxMCE just the non-commercialised version of PlutoHome?

As I understand it LinuxMCE is a fork of PlutoHome, but they've been separate 
long enough for things to have diverged a bit. I've not tried either of them.

> Coolness, never heard of those other two, thanks!

I've not tried them either, just seen them when looking at what's available. I 
also found xAP interesting as it has a plugin for SqueezeCenter which I 
already use. It's more of a building block than a system though. It might be 
worth checking the source for Logitech's Squeezebox Controller as an open 
modular remote running in linux on a small Arm device. They use Poky for 
building the images, so it should be relatively easy to bring into OE.

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Re: Paroli Theme/UI proposals

[Steven Le Roux]

It's just Brilliant !!
I would love to use that ! But maybe it should be a different project than
paroli because I think it more than a theme which is needed to approach your
mockups

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Jon Kristian Nilsen  wrote:

> Long overdue, but here it comes:)
>
> As mentioned a couple of times on irc, I've been working on a few ideas
> I've had regarding paroli.
> What got me interested in this was the post to the ML some time ago:
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/048133.html
>
> Now these are just mock-ups, but ihmo pretty god ones. I've spent quality
> time thinking about user friendliness and what I'd like to see:) Ofcourse
> I've probably missed
> out a few bit's and pieces here and there, heck, I don't even know if it's
> doable, but I will let others be the judge of that, since im not familiar
> with the code.
>
> It's all explained in my post and under each picture, so I hope you guys
> understand my thoughts even though English is my 2nd language:D
>
> Hope you guys like my work:
> http://jonkristian.no/2009/08/paroli-ui-theme-proposals/
>
>
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Re: Doom Updates in Progress -- Request from Distribution Maintainers

[Kahless]

Torfinn Ingolfsen schrieb:
> QtMoko perhaps?
a debian package should be enough.

Sascha

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Re: Internal pressure sensor

[Mikhail Umorin]

On Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:18:51 Christoph Mair wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I successfully added a pressure sensor to my Freerunner. The BMP085 chip
> from Bosch Sensortec is a small (5x5x1.5mm) chip which includes a pressure
> and a temperature sensor. Power and I2C is enough to get it working. I
> glued it next to the BT antenna. The wiki page contains some pictures:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor
> Sourcecode is available from http://gitorious.org/freerunner-navigation-
> board/bmp085
>
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Cool!

can be very helpful during mountain hiking (not that GPS does not help already 
-- but it may not be always available)

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Re: Internal pressure sensor

[tom]

actually i think they should already be built in...they are so cheap...

can someone suggest that to the FR-Manufactuer?

regs

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Christoph Mair  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I successfully added a pressure sensor to my Freerunner. The BMP085 chip
> from
> > Bosch Sensortec is a small (5x5x1.5mm) chip which includes a pressure and
> a
> > temperature sensor. Power and I2C is enough to get it working. I glued it
> next
> > to the BT antenna. The wiki page contains some pictures:
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor
> > Sourcecode is available from http://gitorious.org/freerunner-navigation-
> > board/bmp085
>
> Wow, this is a great hack!
>
> I'm surprised if no-one else will do the same!
>
>
> r
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>
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Re: Doom Updates in Progress -- Request from Distribution Maintainers

[Risto H. Kurppa]

yes, you might want to target SHR-unstable (the testing from may is
bdly outdated..) - possibly debian/qtmoko/others, if interested.
OM2009 is now abandoned, useless to target it. And most beneficial is
to try to put  the app to OpenEmbedded repos, not only SHR.


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Re: Internal pressure sensor

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Christoph Mair  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I successfully added a pressure sensor to my Freerunner. The BMP085 chip from
> Bosch Sensortec is a small (5x5x1.5mm) chip which includes a pressure and a
> temperature sensor. Power and I2C is enough to get it working. I glued it next
> to the BT antenna. The wiki page contains some pictures:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor
> Sourcecode is available from http://gitorious.org/freerunner-navigation-
> board/bmp085

Wow, this is a great hack!

I'm surprised if no-one else will do the same!


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Re: Doom Updates in Progress -- Request from Distribution Maintainers

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

QtMoko perhaps?
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Re: recommendations for headset or 3.5mm adapter

[Stefan Buschmann]

Thanks everyone for your comments and suggestions!

I've now created my first adapter for the earphones only, and although 
my soldering is awful, it's working fine. So I'm finally able to use the 
phone as a media player :-D

If I find the time, I will try to make another adapter which has a 
second socket for the mic, but that's not so important for me now.

Thanks :-)

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Re: [Shr-User] Offline SHR Manager - First Release 0.1

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 30 September 2009, Stroller wrote:
> On 30 Sep 2009, at 14:32, Christ van Willegen wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Stroller
> >
> >  wrote:
> >> I used to be able to do this by Bluetooth, on my  Mac & using a
> >> previous phone. I rather assumed there was a standard Bluetooth
> >> framework for this?
> >
> > When I did this with my previous phone and my Mac, the SMS message
> > never made it to the phone's memory.
> >
> > Since we're talking a different phone here, we can do with the message
> > whatever we want, but it was still annoying!
>
> I don't care about this myself, but if there's a standard way for the
> PC & phone to talk over bluetooth then that feature would be part of
> the phone's implementation of the protocol.
>
> I can't remember if active pairing was necessary (on each occasion),
> but I really liked the way the phone alerted the computer of incoming
> calls & SMS. That was really nice.

A phone may expose some or all of the modem AT functionality via the Serial 
Port Profile, Dial-up Networking Profile or Fax Profile. None of the profiles 
mandate support for the SMS commands, but they don't stop it either.  

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Paroli Theme/UI proposals

[Jon Kristian Nilsen]

Long overdue, but here it comes:)

As mentioned a couple of times on irc, I've been working on a few ideas I've
had regarding paroli.
What got me interested in this was the post to the ML some time ago:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/048133.html

Now these are just mock-ups, but ihmo pretty god ones. I've spent quality
time thinking about user friendliness and what I'd like to see:) Ofcourse
I've probably missed
out a few bit's and pieces here and there, heck, I don't even know if it's
doable, but I will let others be the judge of that, since im not familiar
with the code.

It's all explained in my post and under each picture, so I hope you guys
understand my thoughts even though English is my 2nd language:D

Hope you guys like my work:
http://jonkristian.no/2009/08/paroli-ui-theme-proposals/


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Internal pressure sensor

[Christoph Mair]

Hi,

I successfully added a pressure sensor to my Freerunner. The BMP085 chip from 
Bosch Sensortec is a small (5x5x1.5mm) chip which includes a pressure and a 
temperature sensor. Power and I2C is enough to get it working. I glued it next 
to the BT antenna. The wiki page contains some pictures: 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor
Sourcecode is available from http://gitorious.org/freerunner-navigation-
board/bmp085

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Re: [QtMoko] Arora web browser

[ANT]

Added screen auto-rotation feature (according to accelerometers). Menu ->
View -> Screen Auto-Rotation. Thanks Jim for RotateHelper class. There is an
extended upper menu when the phone in landscape mode: zoom in/out and
hide/show toolbar buttons added. Note that graphical performance of the
phone is a bit lower when the screen is rotated.

Project's repo on github is up and running now [1]. Screenshots are also
available [2].

[1] http://github.com/Sektor/arora-neo
[2] http://github.com/Sektor/arora-neo/downloads

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Performance of the accelerometer on FR

[RANJAN]

Hi,

I have been testing the accelerometers on the free runner via bluetooth at
38400 bps.Here is my test video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdads8XAYcE

I think at 38400 it is not pretty real time.What could be the maximum
refresh rate of the accelerometers?And what is the best way to read this
data.Is 38400 is the maximum speed that can be achieved with the bluetooth
on FR?

Anyone any idea?

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Re: Doom Updates in Progress -- Request from Distribution Maintainers

[Tony McKeehan]

SHR is indeed the most-used. I think making a package for the upcoming 
H:1 rev5 would be cool, too. Also, I think the Om2009 maintainers all 
moved on to SHR anyways.

-Tonym

SCarlson wrote:
> Hello Everyone --
>
> I've been off the radar for a while, decided to stop back in and noticed
> that Doom doesn't seem to run anymore in its old packaged version from last
> year. 
>
> Just like to say, I'm on it.
> I've installed the SHR image from May 09, that is where i'm starting, as I
> believe thats the latest SHR-Testing.
> Are there other distributions that need attention? I'd like to hit majority
> users first.. I assume that is SHR and Om2009? (Are there people running
> Om2009?).
>
> I'd like to ask the Distribution maintainers,( those who are left? Just SHR
> now?) For some
> help putting Doom in the distro specific repos.  That way everyone can opkg
> from a tested distro specific places and install. Its not necessary but
> would be nice.
>
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[SCarlson]

Hello Everyone --

I've been off the radar for a while, decided to stop back in and noticed
that Doom doesn't seem to run anymore in its old packaged version from last
year. 

Just like to say, I'm on it.
I've installed the SHR image from May 09, that is where i'm starting, as I
believe thats the latest SHR-Testing.
Are there other distributions that need attention? I'd like to hit majority
users first.. I assume that is SHR and Om2009? (Are there people running
Om2009?).

I'd like to ask the Distribution maintainers,( those who are left? Just SHR
now?) For some
help putting Doom in the distro specific repos.  That way everyone can opkg
from a tested distro specific places and install. Its not necessary but
would be nice.

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Re: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)

[Christoph Mair]

Am Mittwoch 30 September 2009 07:51:26 schrieben Sie:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Jed  wrote:
> >> I glued a infrared led into the aux key for this purpose. Did someone
> >> already try to compile lirc for the FR? My attempt to just 'bitbake' it
> >> failed (missing kernel configuration).
> >
> > LOL, if I want IR that badly I'll just find a similar device that does
> > have IR integrated.
> 
> Would it be possible to solder a led onto a USB connector, and use the
> USB port (and its power) to blink the led? Ofcourse, this all depends
> on how low-level you can go on that connector...
It is possible. But you need some additional electronics, probably a MCU which 
handles the USB protocol. Do you just want a blinking led? Then a dedicated 
led controller chip with I2C interface should do the job (for example the 
TLC59208F, http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tlc59208f.html). For a 
external, detachable solution, USB and a MCU may be the better option.

Christoph

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Re: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?

[Thomas Franck]

Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote:
> So, try uboot.

ok.. I tried uBoot again..

WAY more output.. but no successful boot.. :(

still get the
drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c: stylus_updown lost event!
drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c:stylus_action bug.
drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c: stylus_updown lost event!

and *loads* of other lines repeating in a loop, I think..

any chance of logging them? may help you guys?

I'm preparing myself to buy a new FR.. so sad.. :(
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Re: [Shr-User] Offline SHR Manager - First Release 0.1

[Baruch Even]

Hi,

Olivier Migeot wrote:
> Would it be possible to see your PoC? What language did you use?

Ofcourse, it's at github: http://github.com/baruch/web-manager

I used Vala.

Help in polishing the packaging will be appreciated, it's mostly 
autoconf stuff so not very hard to package but I prefer to tend to the 
code itself.

> Because I was about to start something similar... ;)

I suck (and lack patience) at web apps, I have no problem with the core 
but you will find that my web app is functional but ugly. Help in that 
department is sorely needed.

So far I have the GSM status, GPX list/download/delete and now I'm 
starting to work on the SMS part. I'll be basing it on opimd.

Baruch

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Re: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)

[Jed]

 I was wondering if there's any good Universal Remote software for CE 
 &or HA being developed in this ecosystem?

 Does anyone know of anything under way or a related Linux project that
 could be re-adapted to it?

 I have something "roughly" like this visualised... (see attached txt
 file)

 I have an old Axim X50v which android is being ported to atm...
 But progress is slow so I may have to find a better supported device
 soon.

 Any thoughts/ideas/advice greatly appreciated!
>>>
>>> Since we don't have an infrared port we can't do a direct Universal 
>>> Remote
>>> app.
>  >
>> I glued a infrared led into the aux key for this purpose. Did someone 
>> already try to compile lirc for the FR? My attempt to just 'bitbake' 
>> it failed (missing kernel configuration).
> 
> LOL, if I want IR that badly I'll just find a similar device that does 
> have IR integrated. Hmmm, wonder if some of the other hand-held 
> platforms do have IR? Surely there's at least one device! Lets see 
> there's: Android devices, Maemo devices, Axim x5xx (kinda), any others?

Any thoughts on this anyone?

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Re: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)

[Jed]

Al Johnson, did you get my last response? below


Hi All,

I was wondering if there's any good Universal Remote software for CE &or
HA being developed in this ecosystem?

Does anyone know of anything under way or a related Linux project that
could be re-adapted to it?

I have something "roughly" like this visualised... (see attached txt
file)

I have an old Axim X50v which android is being ported to atm...
But progress is slow so I may have to find a better supported device
soon.

Any thoughts/ideas/advice greatly appreciated!


Can't control the TV or whatever without the HTPC being powered up. Many would 
see that as core functionality in a universal remote. If you don't then the 
Freerunner may be what you're looking for.


Sorry if I'd sent my diagram through properly you'd have understood why
it's not that imperative for me. The idea is to have a dedicated CE/HA
controller/bridge. It will ideally be relatively low power/profile.

[I've attached the diagram again in case you didn't see it when I
re-sent it earlier, tis very basic]


How would BT be better than using Wifi as the medium to the controller
PC? Do none of the openmoko hardware devices have wifi integrated?


It was just a suggestion as to how you could get infrared functionality with 
an existing BT remote app. There's no reason not to use WiFi if it suits you 
better - the Freerunner has both. BT uses less power, especially if your WiFi 
access point doesn't support the power saving mode. WiFi is faster and has 
longer range.


K cool, I just thought you might know something I didn't, thanks!


[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ReMoko
[2] http://n2.nabble.com/Auto-home-revision-1-1-td3698124.html



I've also come across this and am quite impressed thus far!
http://openremote.org/display/orb/Boss+Overview


Last time I looked many of the features turned out to be intended but not 
implemented, but that may have changed by now. You might also like to check 
out LinuxMCE, PlutoHome, MisterHouse and Minerva.


Isn't LinuxMCE just the non-commercialised version of PlutoHome?
Coolness, never heard of those other two, thanks!

Cheers,
Jed

ÿþMiscellaneous --------Internet--------
                  |                  | 
....... Hand-held ----Wifi---------- 
CE/HA server (Pluto/LMCE?) 
----------PoE (existing aircon 
network)...
                  |                  |  
                               |--Wifi? 
(2.4ghz 802.11n)...
                   --Irda            |  
                               
|--IR?...
                         |           
|_IR bridge__CE devices           |
                         |              
                               
|--Powerline?...
                         |_CE devices   
                               |
                                        
                               
|_Proprietary RF:
                                        
                                
Zigbee,Zwave,Insteon,X10 etc.
                                        
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[qtmoko] qt 4.6 directfb

[mobi phil]

Hello,

there is a statement on:
http://qt.nokia.com/developer/qt-4.6-technology-preview

"Improved support for DirectFB"

does any of you mean what was improved?? Maybe the day will come and we will
have the direcfb driver for glamo, and qtmoko could also benefit from that



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Re: [SHR-U] No suspend when no phone app is running

[Christian Rüb]

Am Mittwoch, 30. September 2009 17:13:24 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
> On 9/30/09, Christian Rüb  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > when there is no program running requesting GSM resource my phone does not
> > suspend.
> > This is what I get with mdbus -s -l
> >
> > ...
> >  [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.Statefrom :1.9
> > /org/freesmartphone/Device/IdleNotifier/0
> > ('suspend',)
> > ...
> >
> > But the phone does not suspend.
> > Is it not possible to suspend whilst GSM is off?
> >
> > Maybe this is not SHR related but FSO in general?
> >
> > Thanks for helping me here.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >  Christian
> 
> That's ophonekitd which suspends phone on 'suspend' idle state on SHR
> with default configuration. Add rule to rules.yaml if you want to have
> it independent.
> 

Thanks for your reply.
May I ask why you do it this way? Why not leave power management in framework? 
If an application does not want the phone to be suspended it should request 
resource CPU AFAIK... Thus if you want it not to suspend ophonekitd could 
request CPU instead of listening to idlenotifier and suspending the phone itself

Christian

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Re: Some improovements for your OaUa

[Matthias Huber]

Marcel schrieb:
>>> Oh, nice! With stock icons it's impossible to change font/icon size,
>>> isn't it? (My try using modify_font() didn't work.)
>>>   

one can do:

self.stop = gtk.Button("gtk-stop")
self.stop.get_child().modify_font(pango.FontDescription("Sans 30"))
   ^^^
but one cannot use the stock buttons then.
#   self.stop.set_use_stock(True)



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Re: Freerunner in real world

[Sebastian Krzyszkowiak]

On 9/30/09, William Kenworthy  wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 17:08 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
>> On 9/29/09, Michal Brzozowski  wrote:
>> > 2009/9/29 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 
>> >>
>> >> From kernel, FSO supports it too. Just click on "Switch to dumb
>> >> battery driver" in SHR Settings->Power->Battery.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I don't seem to have this option when ophonekitd is not running. Would
>> > you
>> > mind telling me how it's done in the low level?
>> >
>>
>> It's completely unrelated to ophonekitd, but to have it displayed you
>> need of course some other than FRs battery inserted.
>>
>> At switching to dumb battery driver was described in battery FAQ. SHR
>> Settings just implements it.
>>
>
> which version/date of shr-settings has this? - I have updated to
> approximately 2 weeks ago when the shr builds broke (i.e., I have not
> had a good local build since :( and none of these settings are
> visible ...
>
> BillK

It's only displayed when dumb battery is inserted.

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The Next Thing: Got your satellite network chip?

[Dee Ayy]

The next thing is the satellite phone.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138671/AT_T_unveils_dual_mode_Genus_smartphone

They lost me at the picture of the phone, so I scrolled down to the comments.
The first comment mentions MS Windows, when I thought of OpenMoko.

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Re: [SHR-U] No suspend when no phone app is running

[Sebastian Krzyszkowiak]

On 9/30/09, Christian Rüb  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> when there is no program running requesting GSM resource my phone does not
> suspend.
> This is what I get with mdbus -s -l
>
> ...
>  [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.Statefrom :1.9
> /org/freesmartphone/Device/IdleNotifier/0
> ('suspend',)
> ...
>
> But the phone does not suspend.
> Is it not possible to suspend whilst GSM is off?
>
> Maybe this is not SHR related but FSO in general?
>
> Thanks for helping me here.
>
> Cheers,
>  Christian

That's ophonekitd which suspends phone on 'suspend' idle state on SHR
with default configuration. Add rule to rules.yaml if you want to have
it independent.

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Re: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:07:49AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > When it next happens, put it by your ear, press the power button for
> > up to 10 s (just to make sure).
> 
> > You *will* hear a very light noise of it truly powering off.
> 
> > Then you release and press again once, like a click, and it will boot.
> 
> > This is an effect outside the operating system.
> 
> This used to be a feature implemented in the earlier kernels, and was
> later dropped.  Has it been re-added?  If so, in which kernel version?
> In Debian's 2.6.29 it doesn't seem to be present.

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ uname -a
Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Tue Sep 1 23:03:59 CEST 2009 armv4tl 
unknown

I think this is a feature that is at a lower level than the kernel...

Rui

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Re: [Shr-User] Offline SHR Manager - First Release 0.1

[Stroller]

On 30 Sep 2009, at 14:32, Christ van Willegen wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Stroller
>  wrote:
>> I used to be able to do this by Bluetooth, on my  Mac & using a
>> previous phone. I rather assumed there was a standard Bluetooth
>> framework for this?
>
> When I did this with my previous phone and my Mac, the SMS message
> never made it to the phone's memory.
>
> Since we're talking a different phone here, we can do with the message
> whatever we want, but it was still annoying!


I don't care about this myself, but if there's a standard way for the  
PC & phone to talk over bluetooth then that feature would be part of  
the phone's implementation of the protocol.

I can't remember if active pairing was necessary (on each occasion),  
but I really liked the way the phone alerted the computer of incoming  
calls & SMS. That was really nice.

Stroller.


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Re: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume

[Stefan Monnier]

> When it next happens, put it by your ear, press the power button for
> up to 10 s (just to make sure).

> You *will* hear a very light noise of it truly powering off.

> Then you release and press again once, like a click, and it will boot.

> This is an effect outside the operating system.

This used to be a feature implemented in the earlier kernels, and was
later dropped.  Has it been re-added?  If so, in which kernel version?
In Debian's 2.6.29 it doesn't seem to be present.


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QtMoko - WiFi - only one WLAN?

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

When I go To Settings, Internet, it lists "these are the network
services..."
First I had one wireless defined, named "Wireless home". This one works
nicely, after I got it working. :-)
It normally shows up as "offline", and I can select "WLAN detection" from
the menu (in addition to "properties" and so on).

I defined another, named "WLAN", but this only shows up as "Unavailable".
and on the menu for that I only have "New", "Delete" and "Properties".
1) why doesn't it work? (it is configured exactly the same as the other,
except for the name)
2) why doesn't "WLAN detection" show up on the menu?

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QtMoko - WiFi - ease of use?

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Ok, so now WiFi works - great.
(still on QrMoko v11, I hope to upgrde to v12 before Radek releases again).

And when I am at home and the Neo is connected to my own wireless network it
is truly great.
Scan seems to work ("WLAN Detection"), but I have to select "Add Networks"
afterward, results (of the scan) doesn't show up automatically.
However, the list of new networks doesn't indicate if the networks are
encrypted or open.
And if I try to connect to a network, the connection will just fail if the
network is encrypted, without even asking me fro a passphrase.

If I go into the "wireless encryption" screen, all the new networks show up
as open (even when they are encrypted)

Seriously, It can't be supposed to work like this, that I have to know every
detail about a network I want to connect to?
As long as I have the correct passphrase, the "WLAN program" in QtMoko
should figure out the rest of the technical details.

So, is ther an easier way? Something that works like NetworkManager in
Ubuntu perhpas?
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Re: [Shr-User] Offline SHR Manager - First Release 0.1

[Christ van Willegen]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Stroller
 wrote:
> I used to be able to do this by Bluetooth, on my  Mac & using a
> previous phone. I rather assumed there was a standard Bluetooth
> framework for this?

When I did this with my previous phone and my Mac, the SMS message
never made it to the phone's memory.

Since we're talking a different phone here, we can do with the message
whatever we want, but it was still annoying!

Christ van Willegen

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Re: [QtMoko] Arora web browser

[Radek Polak]

Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:

> 
> Another thing, I noticed that Package Manager downloads the list of
> packages every time you strt it up (ie. nothing is cached).
> Is this how it is supposed to work?

Yes. The packages are being added/changed and having fresh list is good
idea (until it's too big, which is unfortunately not our case yet ;-)

Regards

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Re: [Shr-User] Offline SHR Manager - First Release 0.1

[Stroller]

On 30 Sep 2009, at 00:54, Dan Staley wrote:
> ...
> +1 for sending/receiving sms from the client computer when the  
> freerunner is connected!
> It would make answering texts much easier (as I am near a computer  
> most of the time anyway).

I used to be able to do this by Bluetooth, on my  Mac & using a  
previous phone. I rather assumed there was a standard Bluetooth  
framework for this?

Stroller.


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Re: Some improovements for your OaUa

[Matthias Huber]

Marcel schrieb:
Am Mittwoch, den 30.09.2009, 13:02 +0200 schrieb Matthias Huber: 
  

Hi Marcel,

here are some improovements for the Eieruhr (bavarian: OaUa):


OaUa: Almost guessed that seeing the subject and already thought about
renaming Eieruhr... I'd like to see an american pronounce "OaUa" :D 

  

- using knob symbols from stock icons



Oh, nice! With stock icons it's impossible to change font/icon size,
isn't it? (My try using modify_font() didn't work.)
  
it was before impossible to set the font size. I am searching further 
for the solution, but until yet, i didn't find any.
  

- killing mplayer



I didn't even have the idea to use mplayer's stdin through
communicate()... :)
  

:-

New version is up at
http://d-a300.selfip.net/files/eieruhr-0.3.tar.gz
Have you tried installing on the Neo using setup.py and got the same
error? Maybe I should send the bb recipe to the SHR guys and see if it
builds for them, if we get the ready-made package from the feed it's no
problem anymore...
  
r...@om-gta02 /tmp/eieruhr-0.3 # python ./setup.py install  
running install
error: invalid Python installation: unable to open 
/usr/include/python2.6/pyconfig.h (No such file or directory)



Do you want to represent yourself on the wiki in the Community Updates 
for 30.9. ?


http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-09-30

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Re: [QtMoko] Arora web browser

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hi,

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:41 PM, radek polak  wrote:

> > I did 'apt-get update' then 'apt-cache shw arora', and the output says
> that
> > this is version 0.2-1
> > neo:~# apt-cache show arora
>
> You should use the Qtopia package manager (Main menu->Settings->Package
> manager")
>

Thanks.
A bit strange, in the Settings menu it is listed as "Software Packages" even
if the program is named "Package Manager".
Oh well, no biggie.

When I look at the arora package description, it have everything (including
a md5sum), except a version number. Surely a version number would be more
helpful to us humans in a GUI tool?
Anyway, arora installed and it is version 0.4. It works too! :-)

Another thing, I noticed that Package Manager downloads the list of packages
every time you strt it up (ie. nothing is cached).
Is this how it is supposed to work?

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Re: No screen input after suspend

[Radek Polak]

Jim Morris wrote:

> I am using qtmoko, but I don;t think this is related as restartinf qpe does 
> not solve the problem.
> 
> We are using the latest andy tracking.
> 
> Occasionally after waking up from suspend everything works except the touch 
> screen input, I can ssh 
> and all seems ok. The side buttons work, but the touch screen input does not.
> 
> Has anyone seen this happening on other dists? It could be qtmoko, but it is 
> suspicious that a qpe 
> restart won't fix screen input.

Same problem here, touchscreen stopped working after night in suspend. I
have built kernel without latest touchscreen changes and will try if
that help. The older kernel and modules are here:

http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/experimental/uImage-v13.bin
http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/experimental/modules-GTA02_qtmoko-v13-a3587e4ed77974ad.tar.gz

Regards

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Re: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?

[Thomas Franck]

Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote:
> I have same missages too, Qi can't boot my system from nand too,
> 
> BUT It successfully boots with uboot (actually not always, but boots),
> there is opinion that Qi doesn't handle badblocks on nand correctly,
> or smth like this.
> 
> So, try uboot.

Cool.. so there's hope.. :)

Will try uBoot when I'm home.. *sigh* just got used to Qi.. ;)

Is there a way to mark the badblocks so Qi can boot again?

Cheers!
-- 
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Re: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?

[Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau]

I have same missages too, Qi can't boot my system from nand too,

BUT It successfully boots with uboot (actually not always, but boots),
there is opinion that Qi doesn't handle badblocks on nand correctly,
or smth like this.

So, try uboot.

On 9/30/09, Thomas Franck  wrote:
> Hi..
>
> This is a re-post from the support ML.. community is way more active,
> hope to get some more hints here.. :)
>
> I can access the NOR boot menu.. and since then I have reflashed the
> kernel, the system image and the boot loader..
> I also disassembled the FR (for the first time!!) to see if I can find
> any physical damage.. didn't manage to remove the tin caps for look
> under there, though.. after re-assembling I still get the CPU stall..
>
> --
>
> Some moron broke my freerunner by a hard impact yesterday (EDIT: that
> was last sunday.. oh, and the case is OK, in fact, everything seems
> fine, except the messages)..  :(
>
> now the bootloader (Qi) starts, and I think Kernal start booting, too..
> I get messages like:
>
> [ 0.00] Unknown boot option 'g_ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:2D:C7:
> ignoring
> [ 0.00] Unknown boot option 'g_ether.dev_addr=00:1F:11:01:2D:C7:
> ignoring
> [ 0.00] Unknown boot option 'g_ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:2D:C7:
> ignoring
> [ 0.00] Unknown boot option 'g_ether.dev_addr=00:1F:11:01:2D:C7:
> ignoring
> [21474548.655000] INFO: RCU detected CPU 0 stall (t=429490971/2000 jiffies)
> [21474578.655000] INFO: RCU detected CPU 0 stall (t=429491571/8000 jiffies)
>
> etc...
>
> when I touch the screen, I get:
> drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c:stylus_action bug.
> drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c: stylus_updown lost event!
> drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c: stylus_updown lost event!
>
>
> is there something I can do?  I mean, beside getting a new FR :S  :(
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Thomas
>
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> If we couldn't figure out how to explain a feature on the reference card
> we would change the program. The original method for copying formulas
> was too complicated so we just changed the design rather than try to
> explain it.
>   - Bob Frankston, author (with Dan Bricklin) of VisiCalc
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Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?

[Thomas Franck]

Hi..

This is a re-post from the support ML.. community is way more active,
hope to get some more hints here.. :)

I can access the NOR boot menu.. and since then I have reflashed the
kernel, the system image and the boot loader..
I also disassembled the FR (for the first time!!) to see if I can find
any physical damage.. didn't manage to remove the tin caps for look
under there, though.. after re-assembling I still get the CPU stall..

--

Some moron broke my freerunner by a hard impact yesterday (EDIT: that
was last sunday.. oh, and the case is OK, in fact, everything seems
fine, except the messages)..  :(

now the bootloader (Qi) starts, and I think Kernal start booting, too..
I get messages like:

[ 0.00] Unknown boot option 'g_ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:2D:C7:
ignoring
[ 0.00] Unknown boot option 'g_ether.dev_addr=00:1F:11:01:2D:C7:
ignoring
[ 0.00] Unknown boot option 'g_ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:2D:C7:
ignoring
[ 0.00] Unknown boot option 'g_ether.dev_addr=00:1F:11:01:2D:C7:
ignoring
[21474548.655000] INFO: RCU detected CPU 0 stall (t=429490971/2000 jiffies)
[21474578.655000] INFO: RCU detected CPU 0 stall (t=429491571/8000 jiffies)

etc...

when I touch the screen, I get:
drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c:stylus_action bug.
drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c: stylus_updown lost event!
drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c: stylus_updown lost event!


is there something I can do?  I mean, beside getting a new FR :S  :(

Cheers,
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Thomas

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[SHR-U] No suspend when no phone app is running

[Christian Rüb]

Hi,

when there is no program running requesting GSM resource my phone does not 
suspend.
This is what I get with mdbus -s -l

...
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.Statefrom :1.9 
/org/freesmartphone/Device/IdleNotifier/0
('suspend',)
...

But the phone does not suspend.
Is it not possible to suspend whilst GSM is off?

Maybe this is not SHR related but FSO in general?

Thanks for helping me here.

Cheers,
 Christian


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Re: [Shr-User] Offline SHR Manager - First Release 0.1

[Olivier Migeot]

Would it be possible to see your PoC? What language did you use?

Because I was about to start something similar... ;)

Good idea anyway

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Baruch Even  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I hacked such a thing, currently it only shows the GSM signal strength,
> not very useful, but it's a proof-of-concept.
>
> I export a rest-like interface at /api/0.1/gsm/status that returns json,
> essentially it's a simple bridge to dbus.
>
> I then used html and javascript to load this data in the background with
> a refresh button to reload it. It works nicely. I used jQuery for the ajax.
>
> For myself I only need a gpx export of the tracks from tangogps. What
> would others want to do with such a web interface to their phone?
>
> Baruch
>
> Olivier Migeot wrote:
>> The "web" approach is interesting. Ideally, one should expose some
>> hooks via REST-like URIs (dbus-mapping or something?), and then let
>> much of the interface build itself client side, javascript-style. The
>> FR is such a "weak" beast that it would be better to let as much work
>> as possible occur on the "strong" (e.g. desktop) side.
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Baruch Even  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Michael Pilgermann wrote:
 Offline SHR Manager (oSHyReMan) is a tiny GTK-based tool for managing
 your Freerunner from your Desktop when the phone is connected via USB.

 The idea behind is putting together a collection of commands, which are
 executed via SSH - before oSHyReMan again and again typed by the user -
 now with oSHyReMan automatically.
>>> I'm been thinking about a similar thing but maybe a better approach is
>>> to have a small webserver on the moko with a cgi that presents a web
>>> interface to the user with plugins from various applications that help
>>> you manage them, configure them and do whatever is needed. This way it
>>> will work no matter what your host is, it can also work when at a
>>> friends/parents and not depend on your machine.
>>>
>>> As convenience improvements that I'd like for such a solution would be
>>> to register this webapp with avahi for zeroconf detection and an export
>>> of a small usb drive with windows/mac/Linux drivers/conf that can make
>>> configuring the network on the moko a breeze.
>>>
>>> I already have some code that uses libsoup for a basic webserver in vala
>>>  but I'm also doing other things as well and don't have enough time to
>>> work on this all by myself, if there will be collaborators I'd be happy
>>> to jump-start such a project. Any takers?
>>>
>>> Baruch
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Re: Launcher - v 0.37 Release UPDATED (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)

[KaZeR]

Hello list,

Two issues today :

First start of launcher :

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ launcher
restoring state
db ver:35
showing window
starting dbus thread
Getting Calls data..
Segmentation fault

(i didn't touch anything in launcher's window).

I restarted it, and it worked. I sent a message, and when closing the
"Conversion sms" window, i got : 

[eina_list.c:914] eina_list_remove_list() *** Eina Magic Check Failed !!!
Input handle is wrong type
Expected: 98761237 - Eina List
Supplied: 4004f94c - (null)
*** NAUGHTY PROGRAMMER!!!
*** SPANK SPANK SPANK!!!
*** Now go fix your code. Tut tut tut!



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Re: opimd: unified api for sent/received

[Jose Luis Perez Diez]

El Tuesday, 8 de September de 2009 11:04:16 arne anka va escriure:
> before filing a bug report, i'd like to ask here ...
> last weekend i patched zhone to enable opimd (only listing of messages so
> far). while working with it i saw that incoming and outgoing messages have
> different fiels (sender vs receiver, no timestamp for sent messages, ...),

Hi arne,

I've been localizing zhone to spanish and patching it to access opimd contacts 
and now I have a working prototipe.

I didn't notice your message until I did a web search on opimd zhone. Did you 
publish your path?

I'm planing to put mine on FSO track as an wish list.


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