Re: AAVA Mobile?
undrwater wrote: I'm wondering if this is a re-badged product discussed here previously, or something relatively new? Looks like something new. It isn't quite clear to me what semantics they attach to Open, in particular whether the openness is supposed to come from the mere fact of being an x86 platform and inherently PC-ish, or whether it also means an absence of binary kernel modules and similar kinds of joy. Or it could just mean that they'll license the design to anyone, which would indeed be more open than anything else on the market, even though at a different level. I'd also be curious about battery life. If they've indeed managed to make an x86-based phone with a battery life that compares to a good ARM-based one, that would be very impressive. There's of course also the question to what extent x86 matters for mobile phones today. In terms of processing power, already ARM seems to offer more than enough for most purposes. In terms of compatibility, they don't seem to aim for straight PC-compatibility anyway, and the concept of an app store, having been given a very pronounced shape by Apple, has changed the landscape. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MC Navi
Am 01.04.2010 10:31, schrieb Mike Crash: Hello, I'm going to release new version of MC Navi and I want to make maps available for direct download. So I want to ask, what country do you need? Second question - what do you prefer, car navigation or outdoor navigation? Just to know, what to do next... Thanks Mike Hi, germany for cars, please Frank ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Community Updates] 2010-04-01 is out
Hi all, Recent Community Update is out! Take a look at News link in Community box on wiki pages to read it. A text version of the update is included beneath this text, but it's partially more readable, and especially clickable, in the wiki. For your convenience here is direct link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-04-01 and feel also free to contribute to the new draft at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2010-05-01 Thanks to all contributors of this issue of CU: * Zeusone * Faltantornillos * TimoJyrinki * Hns * Multi * Vanous * Martix * Valos * Kichkasch ps. Feel free to do this announcement yourself in the change of the next month, there is no dedicated maintainer of community updates, ie. it's all of us :) Community Updates/2010-04-01 Period 2010-03-01 to 2010-03-31 ** Distributions ** Debian GNU/Linux Debian (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian) is a universal operating system used on many other embedded devices, and also on home computers. Using Debian on the FreeRunner gives access to the Huge army of software packaged in the Debian repositories, already compiled for the Neo's arm(v4) processor. Moreover, one can build one's own source files for programs without having to learn the OpenEmbedded way. For an existing Debian/Ubuntu user, choosing Debian for Neo FreeRunner makes phone a very familiar, trustworthy and flexible place to hack in. The following new noteworthy packages have appeared in the pkg-fso repository, a staging area for FreeRunner related packages not yet in official Debian: - literki (http://pkg-fso.nomeata.de/sid/literki), keyboard with configurable layout and transparency - woosh (http://pkg-fso.nomeata.de/sid/woosh), minimalistic browser optimized for touch screens - libdrm-glamo (http://pkg-fso.nomeata.de/sid/libdrm-glamo1), userspace interface to glamo-specific kernel DRM services, more info at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-fso-maint/2010-March/002731.html Each of the above has varying reasons they are not yet uploaded to official Debian archives. Literki included a version of png++ in its sources, and png++ has now been separated and literki will soon follow it to official Debian archives. The future of woosh browser is a bit uncertain, so it's waiting a bit eg. for a better replacement. Finally, libdrm-glamo is naturally waiting for the eventual inclusion of Glamo code in an upstream release, together with the hopeful integration of all Glamo code in upstream (Torvalds') Linux kernel. Besides applications, the following FSO components have been recently uploaded to official Debian archives: libphone-utils 0.1+git20091220-2, libgsm0710_1.2.1+git20100218-1, libfsobasics_0.9.0+git20100304-2, libfsoframework_0.2.4+git20100222-1, libfsotransport_0.9.5.9+git20100308-1, libgsm0710mux_0.9.1+git20100310-1, libfso-glib_0.2.1+git20100304-1 Codename: 'sid' Homepage: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Image: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian HardwareWorks Neo 1973yes FreeRunner yes HTC-Dream yes Other yes ** Applications ** *** New Applications *** eStarDict 0.2 Offline dictionary reader made in C with Enlightenment Elementary UI Homepage: http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardict Package: estardict Tested on: SHR-Unstable,SHR-Testing Chroneo 1.0.0 Stopwatch and Timer Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/chroneo/ Package: chroneo Tested on: SHR-Unstable *** Application Updates *** Bright Player 0.3 Quick and easy music player * bug fixes * SHR- testing compatible Homepage: http://www.faltantornillos.net/gnu/bright-player/ Package: [http://www.opkg.org/packages/brightplayer_0.3_all.ipk Bright Player 0.3] Tested on: SHR-Testing NeoLight 1.4.0 An application to turn your phone into a flashlight * Allocate Display resource when flashlight is active (no display blank, no suspend) Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/neolight/ Package: neolight Tested on: SHR-Testing, SHR-Unstable Podboy 1.5.0 Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player. Its interface aims to be easy and finger friendly. Main changes since version 1.3.0 are: * Played episodes that are older than a specified amount of days (defined in Settings) can be auto-deleted on every startup. * Episodes can now be tagged as (un)deletable in page Episodes. All episodes with status undeletable will be ignored when auto-deletion of old episodes will be done on startup. * Podcasts can be renamed. * Downloads can be canceled. * Add possiblity to activate multi selection in lists (a new option is available in section Interface of Settings). * Lot of improvements in feed parsing (add and update). * Now, when a Check For Updates is done for several podcasts, a full report is displayed in a dialog. * Podcasts source URLs can be edited. Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/ Package: podboy Tested on:
[wikireader] - combined dutch + english update
Hello fellow wikireaders, I rendered a combined dutch + english update for the wikireader which you can download from my website. I plan on building one every one or two months. Version information: Dutch: 20100327 (downloaded rendered with the help of Christopher Hall :-) English: 20100204 (the version that was on the SD card when OM shipped it to me) FIrmware: 20100204 (the version that was on the SD card when OM shipped it to me) You can switch between the two encyclopedias if you press the 'search' button and then press the 'globe icon' on the touchscreen. Download the ~ 5 gigabyte in .tar.gz or .rar format: http://snijders-it.nl/wikireader/ The cool thing is, there still is about 3.5 gigabyte of free space left on the memory card, i wonder what to do with that space :-) Kind regards, Job Snijders ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AAVA Mobile?
Em 06-04-2010 07:02, Werner Almesberger escreveu: undrwater wrote: I'm wondering if this is a re-badged product discussed here previously, or something relatively new? Looks like something new. It isn't quite clear to me what semantics they attach to Open, in particular whether the openness is supposed to come from the mere fact of being an x86 platform and inherently PC-ish, or whether it also means an absence of binary kernel modules and similar kinds of joy. Or it could just mean that they'll license the design to anyone, which would indeed be more open than anything else on the market, even though at a different level. I'd also be curious about battery life. If they've indeed managed to make an x86-based phone with a battery life that compares to a good ARM-based one, that would be very impressive. There's of course also the question to what extent x86 matters for mobile phones today. In terms of processing power, already ARM seems to offer more than enough for most purposes. In terms of compatibility, they don't seem to aim for straight PC-compatibility anyway, and the concept of an app store, having been given a very pronounced shape by Apple, has changed the landscape. It's supposed to be Intel's Moorestown, which is aimed, I guess, at ARMs, so it should be comparable, at least. The issue is really what they mean by open. Nokia N900 is *not* open even if you can install another OS not blessed by Nokia, as important functionality is clearly missing. Same goes for many other open phones around the spot. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AAVA Mobile?
The issue is really what they mean by open. which of intel's hardware does not have open source, intel supported, drivers? if they really make all drivers available (as with their graphic adaptors and wifi), it would be more open than the freerunner, wouldn't it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AAVA Mobile?
2010/4/6 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de: The issue is really what they mean by open. So far I think it means we have not restricted flashing different software on the device, the restrictions can be added by you, our future customer with deep pockets, who will be selling the actual end-user hardware to people. I'll be glad if it would turn out otherwise and be more concretely about freedoms. which of intel's hardware does not have open source, intel supported, drivers? The embedded graphics hardware they have licensed from powervr. ie. poulsbo / GMA 500. Powervr chips are used on about all embedded platforms, be it as part of Intel's poulsbo or independently. There is no pure intel graphics hardware usable on embedded platforms. All of powervr related graphics stuff is currently worse than even smedia glamo regarding the state of free software drivers. I'm also not sure if there is any Intel WLAN hardware suitable for devices of this size (and battery power). if they really make all drivers available (as with their graphic adaptors and wifi), it would be more open than the freerunner, wouldn't it? If, and a strong if, then software-wise yes. I'm quite sure Aava can do nothing to affect PowerVR, if even Intel, Nokia and Canonical have not been able to squeeze free, functional and maintained drivers out of there so far. Then there is also the hardware schematics and CAD side of things, where FreeRunner has also a degree of freedoms. Of course the software side is the most interesting for us software people. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shr-u]mplayer pause does not resume.
there is not really anything i can post here, but ive noticed the latest mplayer no longer resumes after pausing. both space and p will pause the media, but neither of them will resume. any ideas how to re-enable this important function? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community Updates] 2010-04-01 is out
[cut] Thanks to all contributors of this issue of CU: * Zeusone * Faltantornillos * TimoJyrinki * Hns * Multi * Vanous * Martix * Valos * Kichkasch Thanks guys :) [cut] -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: [SHR-T-Latest] PISI problems
any chance to draw some attention to this one below? Thanks Tony -- Forwarded message -- From: Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.com Date: Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:20 AM Subject: [SHR-T-Latest] PISI problems To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Dear Team, did a fresh install of the latest SHR-Testing image and tried to import my SIM contacts via PISI. The progress bar goes up to: 'Finished (40%)' and then stops. Needless to say that no contacts were imported. Thanks for your help Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: [SHR-T-Latest] PISI problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi tony, this problem is still there? Could you please start pisi from a shell and provide some debug output?? thx, best Michael On 04/06/2010 06:11 PM, Tony Berth wrote: any chance to draw some attention to this one below? Thanks Tony -- Forwarded message -- From: *Tony Berth* tonybe...@googlemail.com mailto:tonybe...@googlemail.com Date: Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:20 AM Subject: [SHR-T-Latest] PISI problems To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org Dear Team, did a fresh install of the latest SHR-Testing image and tried to import my SIM contacts via PISI. The progress bar goes up to: 'Finished (40%)' and then stops. Needless to say that no contacts were imported. Thanks for your help Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLu19KAAoJECyCaNMbCftRjNQIAI9eA/JY/mpBNie+OWfFUUeO oouZ6QFHQp/awxlZohmJgsvv52Mc9T375JnXZUS/KNm3nAz++3niZrvEAWxR0PvN asc729vDqG5Hkde87q60Ve+QwIbq58gzTixqSzep56UDZI/rfz8AdwMgnlbGXu8V Fg3J6CpoGRpVnOQCtjRfwGiQJyBuC7QmwH2V7ZPrFrfuFapXHvae+BObEJD+/jSY 04U7KyE8h0jeco1z0nIoDDtgcQptQnXdic3MptuuifkKTv5N9+r8DKV4Af6xB2I1 RJ+R/mqubRrUpBHb/WEivB/x3NmSwRO9AlGXVXAFkANU0CLXBzilZvGkQndXanE= =PY1R -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MC Navi
Mike Crash mike at mikecrash.com writes: Hello, I'm going to release new version of MC Navi and I want to make maps available for direct download. So I want to ask, what country do you need? Mike, can you give a brief rundown on why MC Navi instead of navit or tangogps? What benefit comes from this new project? Why should a user consider switching? Thanks! Cry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MC Navi
It's up to everyone to try and cry. But for me - I want functionality, that is not present in both navit and tangogps. And I want functionality, that is not present in any navigation I know. 1. Create route by clicking on crossroads - I need it for cycling (not implemented yet) 2. Sport tester with stopwatch, distance meter and track log (running, cycling), what I missing is pulse meter (what about bluetooth sensor?) 3. show tourist roads and cycle roads (not implemented yet) 4. switch different views of map - car/cycle/foot/... (not implemented yet) 5. save and upload track logs to web 6. contours and anything what I find usefull I know, I'm at the beginning. And if someone finds it useful, I will be glad. And what about TangoGPS? Very good bitmap navigation, I use it too, but needs large amount of data to download, hard to update maps, no navigation at all etc. And navit? On freerunner unusable, very slow redraw, very slow routing, ugly voice, hard to extendible -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/MC-Navi-tp4835841p4861464.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Looking to pick up a FreeRunner
Hello OpenMoko fans :) I hope this post isn't out of line, but Craigslist and eBay were of no use. I am in a bit of a predicament with my current, closed (bleh!) cell phone. The screen stopped working, and incoming and outgoing calls have ceased as well. I tried to have it replaced through my cellular carrier, but they are trying to blame it on me saying that it must be abuse to the phone - with the condition the phone is in physically, this is obviously not the case. So I am rather ticked off with them. The good news is that this is a great opportunity for me to finally make the jump to a *free* phone. Having been a user of *Free* GNU/linux distros - Trisquel and gNewSense - my cell phone is the last device I own that isn't GPL-friendly. I am hoping to use this opportunity as a chance to learn more in the way of developing and getting a chance to truly enjoy the benefits of *free* software. Unfortunately, this is a pretty bad time as I can't afford to lay out $200USD for a new FreeRunner. I'm a full-time student, and funds are indeed short. I was hoping somebody out there may have an extra FreeRunner, or know someone who is looking to part with one. I have no problems with non-buzz-fixed models, as I would be very interested in doing this hack myself, but I am equally open to the models with this fix. If you can help me out here, or if you know someone who is looking to part ways with a FreeRunner, I would truly appreciate if you got in touch with me. Please feel free to email me directly if you wish, rather than replying to the entire mailing list. Thank you all in advance, and happy hacking! -Woody ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] - combined dutch + english update
Wow, impressive job. I don't speak german but the effort deserve to see the multi-lingual wikireader on the device. Thanks for your time :D On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Job W. J. Snijders j...@instituut.netwrote: Hello fellow wikireaders, I rendered a combined dutch + english update for the wikireader which you can download from my website. I plan on building one every one or two months. Version information: Dutch: 20100327 (downloaded rendered with the help of Christopher Hall :-) English: 20100204 (the version that was on the SD card when OM shipped it to me) FIrmware: 20100204 (the version that was on the SD card when OM shipped it to me) You can switch between the two encyclopedias if you press the 'search' button and then press the 'globe icon' on the touchscreen. Download the ~ 5 gigabyte in .tar.gz or .rar format: http://snijders-it.nl/wikireader/ The cool thing is, there still is about 3.5 gigabyte of free space left on the memory card, i wonder what to do with that space :-) Kind regards, Job Snijders ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Mi blog personal: http://blog.wikifotos.org/ Sé libre, usa ubuntu: http://www.ubuntustory.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
