Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 01.03.2012 um 22:59 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: > Fox Mulder writes: >> You can just install latest eagle 6.1 (win, linux, mac) and use it >> with light license for free which limits to 100x80mm board size and 2 >> layers. This freeware version exists as long as i can remember for >> eagle. :) > > I don't want limits, sorry :-) Once the data is converted to some other file format (please let me know how you did it), there are no limits. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 01.03.2012 um 22:47 schrieb Fox Mulder: > Am 01.03.2012 22:07, schrieb Gilles Filippini: >> Gilles Filippini a écrit , Le 01/03/2012 22:04: >>> The is a free light version of EAGLE in Debian. >>> >>> $ apt-cache show eagle Package: eagle Version: 5.12.0-1 [...] >>> Description-en: Printed circuit board design tool Eagle includes >>> a layout editor, schematic editor, and an autorouter. The >>> following limitations apply to the EAGLE Light Edition: The >>> usable board area is limited to 100 x 80 mm (4 x 3.2 inches). >>> Only two signal layers can be used (Top and Bottom). The >>> schematic editor can only create one sheet. . Use of eagle >>> freeware is limited to non-profit or evaluation purposes. See >>> /usr/share/doc/eagle/copyright for more information. Homepage: >>> http://www.cadsoft.de [...] >> >> Oops. Missed that: Section: non-free/electronics > > You can just install latest eagle 6.1 (win, linux, mac) and use it > with light license for free which limits to 100x80mm board size and 2 > layers. This freeware version exists as long as i can remember for > eagle. :) As far as I know, EAGLE 6 has a new XML format. So it should be possible to convert the file using the free (beer) version to XML. And from there to any tool of interest. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Fox Mulder writes: > You can just install latest eagle 6.1 (win, linux, mac) and use it > with light license for free which limits to 100x80mm board size and 2 > layers. This freeware version exists as long as i can remember for > eagle. :) I don't want limits, sorry :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Gilles Filippini writes: > The is a free light version of EAGLE in Debian. You mean the one that is in the non-free section? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 01.03.2012 22:07, schrieb Gilles Filippini: > Gilles Filippini a écrit , Le 01/03/2012 22:04: >> The is a free light version of EAGLE in Debian. >> >> $ apt-cache show eagle Package: eagle Version: 5.12.0-1 [...] >> Description-en: Printed circuit board design tool Eagle includes >> a layout editor, schematic editor, and an autorouter. The >> following limitations apply to the EAGLE Light Edition: The >> usable board area is limited to 100 x 80 mm (4 x 3.2 inches). >> Only two signal layers can be used (Top and Bottom). The >> schematic editor can only create one sheet. . Use of eagle >> freeware is limited to non-profit or evaluation purposes. See >> /usr/share/doc/eagle/copyright for more information. Homepage: >> http://www.cadsoft.de [...] > > Oops. Missed that: Section: non-free/electronics You can just install latest eagle 6.1 (win, linux, mac) and use it with light license for free which limits to 100x80mm board size and 2 layers. This freeware version exists as long as i can remember for eagle. :) Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Gilles Filippini a écrit , Le 01/03/2012 22:04: > The is a free light version of EAGLE in Debian. > > $ apt-cache show eagle > Package: eagle > Version: 5.12.0-1 > [...] > Description-en: Printed circuit board design tool > Eagle includes a layout editor, schematic editor, and an autorouter. > The following limitations apply to the EAGLE Light Edition: > The usable board area is limited to 100 x 80 mm (4 x 3.2 inches). > Only two signal layers can be used (Top and Bottom). > The schematic editor can only create one sheet. > . > Use of eagle freeware is limited to non-profit or evaluation purposes. See > /usr/share/doc/eagle/copyright for more information. > Homepage: http://www.cadsoft.de > [...] Oops. Missed that: Section: non-free/electronics _g. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Timo Juhani Lindfors a écrit , Le 01/03/2012 13:40: > Wolfgang Spraul writes: >>> At least two years ago when I was trying to find software that can open >>> EAGLE files for Arduino boards I could not find any free software to do >>> that. Maybe all the major CAD tools are non-free? >> >> The two major professional and free EDA tools for PCBs are >> >> 1. KiCad http://kicad.sourceforge.net >> 2. gEDA http://www.geda-project.org >> >> There are many other related tools like Qucs (simulation) > > I'm sure there are tools yes. I was just trying to ask if any of these > can actually open the GTA04 EAGLE schematics that were advertised. Has > anybody on the list managed to do that? The is a free light version of EAGLE in Debian. $ apt-cache show eagle Package: eagle Version: 5.12.0-1 [...] Description-en: Printed circuit board design tool Eagle includes a layout editor, schematic editor, and an autorouter. The following limitations apply to the EAGLE Light Edition: The usable board area is limited to 100 x 80 mm (4 x 3.2 inches). Only two signal layers can be used (Top and Bottom). The schematic editor can only create one sheet. . Use of eagle freeware is limited to non-profit or evaluation purposes. See /usr/share/doc/eagle/copyright for more information. Homepage: http://www.cadsoft.de [...] _g. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QT] make -clean error
Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος a écrit , Le 01/03/2012 00:54: >> [cut] >>> I run it without '-' but still the job stops with the same errors.. >> Maybe there is no such target (clean) defined in a Makefile? >> -- >> Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz >> Linux Registered User #377521 >> () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail >> /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > there is. > > radekp-qtmoko-build$ less Makefile > > clean: > @echo make: running qbuild clean > @/home/chomwitt/programming/QT4/radekp-qtmoko-build/sdk/bin/qbuild - > from-make $(MAKE) clean Command prefixed with "-" into a makefile are used for ignoring potential error. It is of common use in clean targets. From the command line, the same effect is achieved with the -i option. In case this is actually the intention, either you change the makefile with: clean: @echo make: running qbuild clean -@/home/chomwitt/programming/QT4/radekp-qtmoko-build/sdk \ /bin/qbuild -from-make $(MAKE) clean or you call the clean target with: make -i clean. HTH, _g. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to bring forward the community?
Hi, On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Al Johnson wrote: > On Wednesday 29 February 2012 11:55:46 Gerald A wrote: > > > > I've had a few bluetooth keyboards and a bluetooth mouse paired and > > function with my Neo. I can't remember what software rev it was, but if > it > > works in the cranky old stuff I was using, I'm sure it should work in a > > later version. > > That's not a safe assumption. I know SHR used to work with my Stowaway > keyboard, but I also remember updates that broke it. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that it worked in some particular (later) version. The OP seemed to be wondering if it had worked at all, and indeed it did. Did the updates break it and it never got fixed? I actually think that the Neo image has been left to wither, so I'm not sure I could even help if that is the case -- I don't currently have a FreeRunner. Thanks, Gerald ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM as car navigation
Am 27.02.2012 22:04, schrieb robin: hi, i still have problems with qtmoko v39 to use navit or tango/foxtrotgps. would you mind to post your gpsd file and the navit.xml line for your gpsd connection? .. robin Hallo robin, here is my solution: file "/etc/default/gpsd" # Default settings for gpsd. # Please do not edit this file directly - use `dpkg-reconfigure gpsd' to # change the options. START_DAEMON="true" GPSD_OPTIONS="" DEVICES="/dev/ttySAC1" USBAUTO="true" GPSD_SOCKET="/var/run/gpsd.sock" vehicle-Tag from file "/home/root/.navit/navit.xml": source="gpsd://localhost:2947" gpsd_query="w+xj" follow="3"> Port ":2947" is one try of many, must also run without. More on: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Center_on_Vehicle and http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_Navit#The_Vehicles_Definitions -- Frank ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to bring forward the community?
In my opinion there are two underestimated issues: - community organization - software developement Community organization Look at us, we are a higly fragmented community. There are various small teams working, most of the time, on different projects. As we know this is a side effect of working in the FLOSS area, but notice the size of what we are talking about: a unique hardware supported by a (relatively) small community without the partnership of any kind of... "big sponsor". Do we want to bring forward the community? Well with these numbers the fragmentation among the community is the most counterproductive thing at all. The community must be solid and compact, everyone in here should give his contribution to a common project. With this wide diversity it is difficult to see the route, to understand what is the target, what is the big plan. It is sure a positive thing to have so many ideas and projects, but is it really useful to have them so sparse and fragmented? They should instead be part of a big project. Thinking at it, the fragmentation and the lack of clear ideas and targets IMHO are what do not bring in new users and developers. Which leads to the second issue... Software Developement We do not have a compact group of developers. Too many different projects and not focused on the real issues of our little hardware. Do we want to compete with Android and iOS? Ok well, but to do so we must choose a unique platform to develop, a unique community driven distribution to put on the GTAxx and it must become reliable. I think it is essential because our community is small, and because it is probably the key to acquire new users and new developers. To date, take a new user, a possible new developer, who takes a look in the wiki. It is a mess! Wich distro to use? Where can he give a hand? Which bugs need a fix? Who knows! It seems there is no order. There is the hardware, the GTAxxs, but the software is in a fog. So concentrate on a distro and develop it. But it is not enough. To make simple the newcomers' life the software should be reliable and well known. Wich distro do you think a new user will prefer to use on the GTAxx? The one with Debian inside (oh Debian, he uses it on his pc!) or the unknown one? But also the distro must have reliable basic functions for the daily use: no calls no party! To conclude, I think it could be really more efficient to have a community focused on one single project, solving every bugs and bringing in new features. To try to compete with the great mobile names out there I think we should choose a unique platform for the GTA04, and if it is well known chances are that there will be more users and developers. Our community must be reorganized, compacted. We need one big project and a clear target. Regards Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to bring forward the community?
Am 01.03.2012 um 13:28 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: >> So what to use? Nothing to use... > > We should look for what comes after phones and tablets. > What's next? Next generation phones and tablets :) It is difficult to develop something totally new. (My standard methapher: each revolution looks like evolution if you have a sufficiently distant point of view). Like cars. Every year there are many new ones. But each time, they have more power, more reliability, more safety, more automatisation. Or they just look differently. For phones and tablets it means they will increase in screen resolution, increase in processing power and networking speed, increase in battery life, increase how easily they can be used. The last one is the most interesting since it includes both hardware and software. Breaking down this evolution path into small revolutions for the Openmoko project means that there will come a OMAP4/5/6. There will be LTE. There will be Glonass/Galileo. There will be new case designs. Maybe one with keyboard. On the software side: QtMoko will become even better than it already is. SHR will become even better than it already is. But we have to work heavily against entropy. And work one step after the other... And help those who are already on this path (e.g Radek, Lukas, Neil, and numerous others) to go forward. Make big leaps... Unfortunately some of these steps cost a lot of real money. This needs the project to be economically viable. Therefore it is important to spread of the platform. Having 1 month left over for subscribing to the (extended) group tour is a good point to draw an intermediate view. This morning we now have 34% which is one third of the required number of units (for the given price). This is a good increment from the 23% or so we did have right before FOSDEM when we decided to extend the subscription time frame. So the next goal is to crack the 40%! One more thing: some 5% rebate seats are still available since some generous subscribers did choose no early bird rebate. BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Wolfgang Spraul writes: >> At least two years ago when I was trying to find software that can open >> EAGLE files for Arduino boards I could not find any free software to do >> that. Maybe all the major CAD tools are non-free? > > The two major professional and free EDA tools for PCBs are > > 1. KiCad http://kicad.sourceforge.net > 2. gEDA http://www.geda-project.org > > There are many other related tools like Qucs (simulation) I'm sure there are tools yes. I was just trying to ask if any of these can actually open the GTA04 EAGLE schematics that were advertised. Has anybody on the list managed to do that? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to bring forward the community?
> So what to use? Nothing to use... We should look for what comes after phones and tablets. What's next? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
> At least two years ago when I was trying to find software that can open > EAGLE files for Arduino boards I could not find any free software to do > that. Maybe all the major CAD tools are non-free? The two major professional and free EDA tools for PCBs are 1. KiCad http://kicad.sourceforge.net 2. gEDA http://www.geda-project.org There are many other related tools like Qucs (simulation), boom (sourcing), and so on. For a good overview I recommend the Fedora Electronic Lab, see http://spins.fedoraproject.org/fel/#portfolio Or join the Qi Hardware planet at http://en.qi-hardware.com/planet which has a focus on free tools. Cheers, Wolfgang ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to bring forward the community?
> we get sportive spirit by competition. > > So the question is, with whom we (this community) are competing? Maybe better to ask, who is the intended user of free phone? Below I'm speaking for myself (sorry for that), but I think that my situation is not that uncommon. I'm in free software for about 15 years. Long ago, there was many free time and enthusiasm to move things forward. Over years, priority is shifting elsewhere - job, family, kids, you-know-all-that. So contribution lowers to near-zero level :(. I still use free software (Debian) on all my computers, because - (1) it works perfectly for daily needs, it is comfortable to work with it after many-years experience, and - (2) if/when it becomes possible, I can occasionally hack on it, tune it, and do fancy things. With phone, I'm actually looking for the same. When openmoko was announced, I was very excited. But one of my colegues looked and said, "Calm down. It won't fit real life. To be useful, mobile phone must be reliable. You won't be happy with missed calls from your boss while your phone is dist-upgrading". I still ordered Freerunner, however I was unable to use it - for very this reason. So to be useful for me, free phone must - (1) have _absolutely_ _reliable_ basic phone functionality: no excuse for lost call/SMS or poor sound quality - (2) don't require hacking to get things that one expects from today's smartphone, this includes browsing web, looking for places nearby, map navigation, music playback, take a photo, calendar/reminders/alarms and similar things - (3) have more or less standard linux environment that I'm familiar with and can occasionally hack on ... and yes (0) have hardware keyboard ... N900/maemo was very close... but it is dead now, and it has enough bugs in core functionality provided by closed components to force me away after 1.5 years. Android could look close, but it annoys me every day with tons of silly things, most important one is it's broken multitasking (that depends on checkpointing current state that is so difficult to implement that even core applications have it incomplete - even not talking about what is written by joe developer) So what to use? Nothing to use... Btw, I once blogged abot this at http://yoush.homelinux.org:8079/tech/life-after-n900 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
"Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" writes: > There is a free (as in free beer) version of EAGLE with minor limitations. > And any major CAD tool can import it. At least two years ago when I was trying to find software that can open EAGLE files for Arduino boards I could not find any free software to do that. Maybe all the major CAD tools are non-free? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to bring forward the community?
On Wednesday 29 February 2012 11:55:46 Gerald A wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani < > > giacomomari...@yahoo.it> wrote: > > I own a similar one > > ( > > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Pocket-Bluetooth-Keyboard-PC-PDA-Phone-/2 > > 60694344470 ) > > but I've never been able to use it on my freerunner. I get it paired > > (and some traffic is visible hcidump on SHR) but it never worked as > > input device. > > > > Did you have any (successful) experience? > > I've had a few bluetooth keyboards and a bluetooth mouse paired and > function with my Neo. I can't remember what software rev it was, but if it > works in the cranky old stuff I was using, I'm sure it should work in a > later version. That's not a safe assumption. I know SHR used to work with my Stowaway keyboard, but I also remember updates that broke it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 01.03.2012 um 11:20 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: > "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" writes: >> We now have released the schematics and board file of such an expander board >> (EAGLE 5.x format). > > I understood that it was not possible to open EAGLE files with free > software. Is this still the case? There is a free (as in free beer) version of EAGLE with minor limitations. And any major CAD tool can import it. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
> The GTA04 is not only designed as a motherboard replacement for the > Openmoko devices, but also as a "core module" to easily develop other > devices from it. /me is interested if it is possible to put this into case of any currently-on-market phone with hardware keyboard (perhaps throwing away original board of that phone). Unfortunately I'm not a hardware engineer so I can't evaluate this myself. But I will volunteer for software (including kernel) support for such a beast. Nikita ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
"Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" writes: > We now have released the schematics and board file of such an expander board > (EAGLE 5.x format). I understood that it was not possible to open EAGLE files with free software. Is this still the case? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
The GTA04 is not only designed as a motherboard replacement for the Openmoko devices, but also as a "core module" to easily develop other devices from it. We now have released the schematics and board file of such an expander board (EAGLE 5.x format). It is designed to carry a 3.5 inch VGA touch screen from Ortustech (formerly Casio): http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/42/ It is a stripped down version of the sample device that we have built: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/CustomVariants/ The principle of making your own PDA, Tablet, etc. is simple: design a 2 layer 150 um (6 mil) board based on the blueprint and have it produced where you like. Then plug in a GTA04 custom board that carries the B2B connectors instead of the 39 pin ZIF connector for the Openmoko display and mount everything by three 2mm plastic screws. We are now planning to produce some of the Custom boards and need your comments and wishes (please note that we can't add functions to the GTA04, we can only remove some but you can add what you like to your adapter board). And, if you have ideas which adapters (the BeagleBone community calles them "capes") you would like to build, please let us all know. This may trigger others for new ideas. Now I am curious who will be the first to come up with a GTA04 Tablet :) Nikolaus PS: if someone is interested in our sample device, please contact me. We are now able to produce more of them (even in different colors), incl. display, case and 3900 mAh battery. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
