New Freerunner User - Stick with GTK & Any voicemail apps or monitors?

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

I'm not going to have much time for playing with the toolchain for a 
while, so for now I'm trying to use my freerunner as a replacement for 
my existing GSM phone. (A Motorola v551 that's getting long in the tooth)

So far, given that this thing is effectively an open beta, I'm very 
impressed (and it certainly pays off in geek chiq at the office). I've 
had no problems sending and receiving calls and SMS using my old SIM and 
I've been able to update everything over the USB/Ethernet from a machine 
running Vista of all things!

No love from the GPS of course, we'll see how that goes over time.

Two questions:
   A) If part of my goal is to be a beta tester should I stick with the 
default software stack or switch to one of the other options?
   B) Are there any applications out there for managing or monitoring a 
voicemail account?

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GPS success: updated default software stack with no antenna

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Successfully tracked and mapped my daily commute!

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Re: Problem upgrading ncurses

[alex . fitzpatrick]

- Original Message -
From: Dale Schumacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 19:44
Subject: Problem upgrading ncurses
To: List for Openmoko community discussion 

> Going through my daily ritual of update and upgrade, I've been having trouble 
> with ncurses.

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /proc/version 
> Linux version 2.6.24 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 4.1.2) #1 PREEMPT Tue 
> Jul 22 02:21:01 CEST 2008
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade
> Upgrading ncurses on root from 5.4-r14 to 5.4-r15...
> Downloading 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ncurses_5.4-r15_armv4t.ipk
>  Collected errors:
>  * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5
>     But that file is already provided by package  * libncurses5

> This has persisted for at least the last 24 hours.  Is anyone else seeing 
> this problem?
 
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At the risk of sounding like an AOLer: 

    Me too!

Also in the same time frame as you report.

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Re: Problem upgrading ncurses

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Dale Schumacher wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Stroller 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> There's a bug in TRAC for this:
> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1569
>
> The fix there went from "in testing" to bug "closed" in the last
> couple of days, so presumably it works. Please confirm.
>
>
> This is exactly the problem.  I applied the recommended fix:
>
> opkg -force-depends remove libncurses5
> opkg install ncurses libncurses5
>
> Now everything seems to be up-to-date.  Thanks!
>
> Should this be in the wiki somewhere, or will new users not have this 
> problem if they update/upgrade directly from the factory image?
opkg update, opkg upgrade still results in the same error

But the forced remove above resolves it for me also, a subseqent update, 
upgrade gives no errors.

It needs to go somewhere, anyone upgrading actory-installed 2007.2 image 
without re-flashing will hit this error message until the forced remove 
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Re: GPS software fix, just CRUFT?

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> Am Di  22. Juli 2008 schrieb Scott Derrick:
>   
>> With the GPS hardware fix done(10pf cap installed) are the software
>> changes to the kernel/modules just added cruft?  IE. do they add
>> anything useful?
>> 
>
> SW is definitely better than C, it works on data-rails as well. Those might 
> spill GPS during access even while the clock is fixed by a C.
> /jOERG
>   
Was that yes or no?
SW = Software ?
C = Cap or the language?

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Re: GPS problems, summary

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Yorick Moko wrote:
> it is included
>
>   
If this has not already happened, the getting started and GPS pages on 
the wiki should be updated to reflect this.

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Re: How can I hear Music with A Headphone

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Michael Sheldon wrote:
> Carsten Feuls wrote:
>   
>> Hello
>>
>> how can I hear Music with the Headphone.
>> I have a adaptor but only the right speaker work the left don't work how can 
>> I 
>> fix this.
>> 
>
>   Start alsamixer, scroll along to the right until you find "Amp Spk" 
> and mute it (m), the sound will then come out from both channels of the 
> headphones and not out of the speaker.
>
>   
This should go into the Adjusting the Volume section of Getting Started.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Adjusting_the_Volume
 


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Re: Now that you have your phone, what are you doing?

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arne anka wrote:
> flashing u-boot and using a recent kernel makes suspend/resume working  
> rather acceptable (wakes up reliable and saves power, though it keeps  
> waking up frequently), may corrupt your sd card though, at least if the  
> 4gig.
>   

This may be an obvious question, but nonetheless: 

Will flashing u-boot effect the rest of my install or is it completely 
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How to ask, and answer, questions the smart way

[alex . fitzpatrick]

Just a nudge to community and support to remember how we can make this work for 
everyone. 

How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

How To Answer Questions in a Helpful Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#id308223

Loving my phone by the way... except the battery life...

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Re: read-only?!?

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Andy Green wrote:
> Aah didn't I read that this new rootfs does not remount / -orw... as a
> workaround you aren't meant to use ro on the kernel commandline...
> that'll be it then.
>
> - -Andy
>   
I'm stuck with this also...

Has a bug been logged?
Will a new kernel be released or are we stuck tweaking u-boot parms?

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Re: read-only?!?

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Andy Green wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> | Andy Green wrote:
> |> Aah didn't I read that this new rootfs does not remount / -orw... as a
> |> workaround you aren't meant to use ro on the kernel commandline...
> |> that'll be it then.
> |>
> |> - -Andy
> |>
> | I'm stuck with this also...
> |
> | Has a bug been logged?
> | Will a new kernel be released or are we stuck tweaking u-boot parms?
>
> This is not a kernel issue, it's something to fix in the rootfs,
> otherwise you have to solve it by changing U-Boot env.
>   
Ok... I'll put my manager hat back on...

Has a bug been logged?
Will a new FILESYSTEM be released or are we stuck tweaking u-boot parms?

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Re: Free file hosting

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Michele Renda wrote:
> Hello,
> I know this subject is not too much OM related, but it can help me to 
> distribute software for FR.
> I have some application for FR I would like to share, and it would be 
> very useful to me.
>
> Someone know a place where is possible to host some files for free? (Max 
> 10-50 Mb)
> I need to have a folder where I can put my files, and other people can 
> access via browser without a registration.
>
> I had a little server with apache, but now... i think he need a bit to 
> relax.
>
> Thanks you in advance
> Michele Renda
>
>   
Gmail... Old school is to mail it to yourself... new school is to use a 
program that mails it to yourself:

http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html

"Gmail Filesystem provides a mountable Linux filesystem which uses your 
Gmail account as its storage medium. Gmail Filesystem is a Python 
application and uses the FUSE  userland 
filesystem infrastructure to help provide the filesystem, and libgmail 
 to communicate with Gmail."

"GmailFS supports most file operations such as read, write, open, close, 
stat, symlink, link, unlink, truncate and rename. This means that you 
can use all your favourite unix command line tools to operate on files 
stored on Gmail (e.g. cp, ls, mv, rm, ln, grep etc. etc.)."

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Re: [Query] Known Good SD cards

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Shaz wrote:
>  Hi everyone,
>
> I need some guidance on uSD cards because i tried a few locally 
> available to my town but none are working. My understanding is that 
> its the quality or I am making a mistake in compatibility.
>
> I need some help in understanding this issue. If there are known to be 
> working SD cards then I would order from some other place if not 
> available locally.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
> Shaz
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards

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Re: Googlemaps + tangoGPS

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Yorick Moko wrote:
> Has anybody been able to use googlemaps with tangoGPS?
> I tried the url provided at http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/12-FAQ.html:
> http://mt0.google.com/mt?n=404&v=w2p.64&hl=en&x=3&y=5&zoom=13&s=Galile,
> replaced the numbers with "%d" and checked the inverse-button, but it
> didn't work
>
> Someone might be able to find the right url by looking at the source
> code @ maps.google.com perhaps?
> There are urls like
> http://mt0.google.com/mt/v\x3dw2.80\x26hl\x3dnl\x26","http://mt1.google.com/mt/v\x3dw2.80\x26hl\x3dnl\x26","http://mt2.google.com/mt/v\x3dw2.80\x26hl\x3dnl\x26","http://mt3.google.com/mt/v\x3dw2.80\x26hl\x3dnl\x26";
>  in there.
>
> y
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http://mt1.google.com/mt?&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d

Works for me.

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Re: 2008.8 update

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Olivier Berger wrote:
> Xavier Bestel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> there's an updated image of 2008.8 from yesterday, I still haven't
>> flashed it - does someone know if it's worth it, what's new inside ?
>>
>> 
>
> You mean : http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ as
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ doesn't seem to have
> changed, if trusting the timestamps ?
>
> Dunno... maybe you can diff the contents of the roofs tarballs and
> tell us ? ;)
>
> It's been long since the release, without any official updates... so
> maybe time has come... maybe it's the announced 2008.9 ? 
>
>   
I'll try it out in the next 12 hours or so and report back... (2008.8 
was a complete write off for me... hopefully I don't lose the better 
part of the day again...)

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Re: 2008.8 update

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Olivier Berger wrote:
> Xavier Bestel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> there's an updated image of 2008.8 from yesterday, I still haven't
>> flashed it - does someone know if it's worth it, what's new inside ?
>>
>> 
>
> You mean : http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ as
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ doesn't seem to have
> changed, if trusting the timestamps ?
>
> Dunno... maybe you can diff the contents of the roofs tarballs and
> tell us ? ;)
>
> It's been long since the release, without any official updates... so
> maybe time has come... maybe it's the announced 2008.9 ? 
>   
Since I replied to this thread earlier I thought I'd continue! :-)

I installed to the SD card to avoid blowing away my working 2007 config.

So far this version is working great, with one exception; DNS does not 
work out of the box, had to add the open dns hack to 
/etc/network/interfaces...

- GSM connected out of the box on the first boot with no changes
- Wireless connected to my open access point on the first try (but no DNS)
- Able to send a receive phone calls.

I've now added the DNS hack and I'm working on updating, installing 
importing contacts and we'll see how it goes.

To everyone reading this at openmoko.com, this is a huge improvement! 
Next time listen to your QA about what a "release" means..   :-)

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Re: Repository and Images

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Julian Chu wrote:
> Hi Community,
>
>As I mentioned in the previous mail[1] , we did some works.
>
>[1]:http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/026491.html
>
>*) A new 2008.8 stable image
>
>   Holger did some changes in ASU-stable branch. We built it and put on
>   downloads.openmoko.org.[2]
>
>   [2]http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/
>
>
>   
This image works fairly well, issues I have so far:

1) DNS does not work out of the box, I had to add the open dns hack to 
/etc/network/interfaces

up echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 > /etc/resolv.conf
up echo nameserver 208.67.220.220 >> /etc/resolv.conf

 Isn't there a way to populate the resolv.conf from the dhcp info? 
And if so why is it not enabled by default?

2) illume-config addes the qwerty "button" but I have not yet found a 
way to get a full keyboard

https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1863

Is there one?

3) WIFI works for the first time only?

   http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1625

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Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

I feel like an idiot... oh well...

I was poking around looking for information on modifying keyboard 
layouts and bumpted into this:

http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/inputmethods-description.html

Which suggested to me that I had not tried all the possibilities with 
the qtopia keyboard that I have grown to loath so quickly.

What I did discover was I an switch between "pages" of layouts by 
stroking quickly up or down... like the "backspace" gesture only 
vertically... and hey-presto... I have more characters... except enter?

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Re: Update report

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Well.. the hair raising part was it actually works as a phone...

I was shocked! SHOCKED!

Nishit Dave wrote:
> hair-raising
>
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Minh Ha Duong 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> What's most visibly new:
>  Battery icon when unplugged
>  red LED behind AUX button shines
>  more snappy (or is it because it's a fresh install ?)
>  repositories is online for update and community applications
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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Alex Fitzpatrick wrote:
> I feel like an idiot... oh well...
>
> I was poking around looking for information on modifying keyboard 
> layouts and bumpted into this:
>
> http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/inputmethods-description.html
>
> Which suggested to me that I had not tried all the possibilities with 
> the qtopia keyboard that I have grown to loath so quickly.
>
> What I did discover was I an switch between "pages" of layouts by 
> stroking quickly up or down... like the "backspace" gesture only 
> vertically... and hey-presto... I have more characters... except enter?
>
I found enter! I can die happy now... Enter is last character on the 
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Re: will GTA03 be ready for holiday season?

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Nishit Dave wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Francesco Cat 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> BTW: It is unsure what will be in (what kind of camera, what GSM chip,
> and so on), but what won't be there is quite sure:
>
> -No Glamo
> -No 3G
> -No USB 2.0
>
>
> So now we are targeting crippling the phone further?  Real iPhone 
> killer it is going to be.
I'm sure that with a little more effort you could be a fine pessimist... 
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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

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Yorick Moko wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Alex Fitzpatrick
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I found enter! I can die happy now... Enter is last character on the
>> symbols "page"
>>
>> --
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> 
>
> hehe,
> I think you will have a spontaneous orgasm when you discover Raster's
> keyboard :)
>
>   
I tried that out a few weeks ago when 2008.8 first crash landed ... very 
nice! But it randomly failed and was replaced with the qtopia one. (As 
discussed in list and in Trac)

We really need to find a way to allow users to really choose ... there 
are some places where the predictive text works nicely... like SMS ... 
but there are lots of places where that full qwerty keyboard is more 
effective... like typing URLs. Having to choose one over the other by 
hacking configurations is bloody silly.

As users we want the sun the moon and the stars and we want them 
yesterday... with extra cheese! (And blackjack... and hookers!)

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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

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Nishit Dave wrote:
> well, here's a dumb question: how do we enter the Euro symbol in the 
> Full-QWERTY keyboard?
>
Good question... you should add that symbol to

http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1795

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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

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Olivier Berger wrote:
> Alex Fitzpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>   
>> I feel like an idiot... oh well...
>>
>> 
>
> FYI, this has been documented for quite some time in
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Keyboard#Keyboard_guide :
> "Sliding your finger up/down changes between
> lowercase/uppercase/numbers/special characters. "
>   
And that is precisely why I feel like such an idiot... *sigh*

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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Lorn Potter wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> Hi Florian,
>>
>> Florian Hackenberger wrote:
>> 
>>> I'll cook up a patch to Qtopia-X11, but for the impatient here are some 
>>> instructions for installing gsm0710muxd on Om2008.08 and injecting the 
>>>   
>> Will this patch make it upstream? 
>> 
>
> It will be in 4.4 yes. I haven't yet put it in 4.3.x snapshots.
>   

I assume that a bug will be associated with this in trac. It would be 
very useful if you could announce on the mailing list when your fix has 
landed in an official build so we can validate the fix.

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Re: GTA04

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Yogiz wrote:
>> known features of GTA04:
>> - DBI (Direct Brain Interface)
>> - trans warp gate projector
>> - battery is replaced with a blackhole for infinite power
>> - timemachine 
>> - build in stylus
>> 
> Ah, a stylus holder. Most excellent.
>   
Surely with the DBI the stylus is redundant? What kind of nonsense is 
this anyway?

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Re: opkg update failed

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Giovanni wrote:
> I just tried "opkg update", but I got:
>
> Collected errors:
>  * Failed to download 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, error 404
>  * Failed to download 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig, error 404
>  * Failed to download 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/Packages.gz, error 404
>  * Failed to download 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/Packages.sig, error 404
>  * Failed to download 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/fic-gta02/Packages.gz, error 404
>  * Failed to download 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/fic-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404
>  * Failed to download 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.gz, error 404
>  * Failed to download 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 404
>  * Failed to download 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.gz, error 404
>  * Failed to download 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404
>
> What is wrong?
It certainly isn't you! Since my mail reader happily converted those to 
clickable URIs I tested them with Firefox and they don't work there either.

I tried

http://buildhost.openmoko.org/ 


and got

*http downloads directly from buildhost.openmoko.org are disabled*
please see this mail 
 
for details.
repositories and images are all on http://downloads.openmoko.org/ now.

you will be automatically forwarded there in 15 seconds.

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Re: 2008.9 Basic questions

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Iain B. Findleton wrote:
> And of course, the buggy software can hurt. Surprisingly, I activated
> swap on my FR and stability and periodic slowing have improved. Don't
> know why that should be, but there you are.
>
>   
The answer there is to run top while using the phone... you'll see that 
it's running at pretty much at the limits of the 128MB built in.

Adding a swap file, while inefficient, will allow the kernel to swap 
unused pages to "disk" and allow more things to run, or at least lurch...

128MB is damned small these days... but then my first Linux box had 16MB 
of RAM, a 33Mhz CPU, a 100MB hard drive and a VGA card that could barely 
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