iphone-haptic

[Andrea Debortoli]

what about this??

http://code.google.com/p/iphone-haptics/

it would be very useful to have on FreeRunner too!!!
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Re: iphone-haptic

[Andrea Debortoli]

2008/3/2, Tim Kersten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> That looks like it could potentially be extremely useful! However,
> adding features to the Freerunner at this stage would presumably delay
> it even more. Personally, I'd be willing to wait another month if it
> meant that the Freerunner had such features. This would address one of
> the biggest problems with touch screens -- the lack of tactile
> feedback. :-)


That would surely be a software feature...so it could become available after
hardware release of FreeRunner!!
I want it!

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Andrea Debortoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > what about this??
> >
> > http://code.google.com/p/iphone-haptics/
> >
> > it would be very useful to have on FreeRunner too!!!
> >
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Re: iphone-haptic

[Andrea Debortoli]

2008/3/2, joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Am So  2. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
> > - gpg control packet
>
> > Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> > >
> > >
> > > 2008/3/2, Tim Kersten <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:
> > >
> > > That looks like it could potentially be extremely useful! However,
> > > adding features to the Freerunner at this stage would presumably
> delay
> >
> > > That would surely be a software feature...so it could become available
> > > after hardware release of FreeRunner!!
> > > I want it!
> >
> > Yes don't stop wanting :-)  We wouldn't delay anything for it but as you
> > say this is only in the software world and can come at its own speed.
>
>
> From a first brief glance at this site, i don't think it's a sw-only
> feature.
> This actor is driven with sth like "...an approx. 175Hz sine wave with
> increasing intensity during the ramp up time and decreasing intensity
> during
> the ramp down time...", so to me it seems they really plumbed an actuator
> (Piezo?) directly to the screen. You surely can't do this with the common
> built-in vibrator motor (though you can give it a try).


They are using:
"iPhone's built-in vibrotactile actuator"

I don't know what sort of actuator iPhone is carrying...but they discovered the
actuator can vibrate at 12 different speeds, so maybe it's possible to
discover it on FreeRunner too:-))


Mere Vibrator feedback on keypress shouldn't be any issue, even should be
> standard (best practice) for OM input devices.
>
> cheers
>
> jOERG
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Re: iphone-haptic

[Andrea Debortoli]

2008/3/2, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> >
> >
> > 2008/3/2, Tim Kersten <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:
>
> >
> > That looks like it could potentially be extremely useful! However,
> > adding features to the Freerunner at this stage would presumably
> delay
>
>
> > That would surely be a software feature...so it could become available
> > after hardware release of FreeRunner!!
> > I want it!
>
>
> Yes don't stop wanting :-)  We wouldn't delay anything for it but as you
> say this is only in the software world and can come at its own speed.
> You can get motion sensor data just by reading from /dev/input/event2
> and 3 one for each motion sensor.
>
> I played with the motion sensors just eyeballing the raw data in hex and
> I think they're going to be very responsive and cool.


Motion sensors?
motion sensors are accelerometers...isn't it?
how can they be useful for this feature?..I though it was a vibrator issue
only...(and touch screen of course)


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Re: iphone-haptic

[Andrea Debortoli]

It's an hard thing to tell if it could be useful or not...it's a totally new
feature (I've never seen something similar), and I think we can evaluate it
with practical test only.

2008/3/2, Marko Knöbl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> 2008/3/2, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >
> > I have doubts about the usefulness of vibrator feedback. It can't help
> >  you find a button or tell you whether you pressed the right one.
> >
>
>
> Actually it CAN help you find a button. Please read the section
> "Fingertip-Over-Edge Event" in the article.
>
> I think it's some kind of sliding-keyboard which enters the character
> on which you release your finger.
>
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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[Andrea Debortoli]

FreeRunner has accelerometers...
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Accelerometers

GTA01 does not :-(

2008/3/3, Gora Mohanty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:17:42 +0100 (CET)
> David Samblas Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > 22. Digital level
> > Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to
> > develop such a freaking geek widget?
> > I could be a funny exercice to play with the
> > accelerometers.
>
> [...]
>
> The Neo 1973 does not have accelerometers, does it?
>
> The above would tickle my geek bone enough to do it
> if the Neo 1973 had accelerometers. I have an old
> Simputer that does have accelerometers, and has a
> great game which is a computer analogue of a child's
> handheld game. The real-life game is usually made
> out of cheap plastic, and has a series of concentric
> circular ridges with offset openings. A set of
> (usually) three ball bearings can be rolled around
> along the ridges. The objective of the game is to get
> all three bearings into the inner most circle.
>
> See
> <
> http://brainchunk.blogspot.com/2007/11/n95-application-wishlist-golgoli-game.html
> >
> for a picture of the game.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gora
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Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

[Andrea Debortoli]

I think this is an interesting reading about iphone multi-touch screen:

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/iphone1.htm


2008/3/4, joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Am Di  4. März 2008 schrieb Duvelle Jones:
>
> > I will
> > admit that I was dissolution with the possibility that the multi-touch
> > interface was an easy addition to OpenMoko. With some time to think and
> > study the availability of the technology, I soon realized that my
> > thinking on the matter was quite naive.
>
>
> I'm investigating to squeeze some multi-touch properties out of the GTA02
> 4wire-resistor touchscreen, by hacking the basics and probing the ts in a
> couple non-recommended completely different manners. There still is a
> little
> hope...
>
> However this is not meant to distract attention from discussion of a true
> multi-ts for GTA03. I think this should be a capacitive one.
>
>
>
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Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

[Andrea Debortoli]

Michael told "next couple of months"...a month ago, and no announcement has
been released yet...

2008/3/16, JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On 16/03/2008, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  So please, give us some words about delays if there are any...
>
>
> NO!
> You don't get these words from Openmoko
>
> You already know what you get
>
> 1) full access to kernel/dev discussions - you should make your own
> mind up on what these mean for timescale...
> 2) Following announcement (prev by M Shiloh)
>
> 
>
> Hello,
>
> A number of times you have asked about pre-orders. Here is the official
> word from our VP of Marketing:
>
> Over the next couple of months you will see the following 3 announcements:
>
> 1. When the production hardware is solid and signed off, we will
> announce pricing and availability. That is, we will announce the
> expected price and the expected date on which the web store will open.
>
> 2. When the first production run is complete, we will announce that.
>
> 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we
> will open the web store and begin taking orders.
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Re: Openmoko at OpenExpo

[Andrea Debortoli]

Watch this!!

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=X781iXprqo8

Ciao

2008/3/16, Alexandre Ghisoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
> Le dimanche 16 mars 2008 à 03:12 +0100, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" a
> écrit :
>
> > Alexandre Ghisoli wrote:
> > > We have seen the Freerunner working; it's quite fast and responsive
> with
> > > a funny lock screen saying something about an Fruit Phone.
> >
> > No videos for us? :P
> >
>
>
> Heh, sorry, my GTA01v4 doesn't have camera nor video recorder ;)
>
> But you can find few video, not the best I've seen :
> http://www.mefeedia.com/query.php?q=Openmoko%20Openexpo
>
> But no freerunner vids.
>
> Regards
>
>
> --
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Andrea Debortoli]

what about EUROS prices??
I hope that no 1:1 change will be applied...

thanks a lot for the news!!

Andrea

2008/4/11, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
>
>   I thought I would combine a couple posts today. First an update on PVT,
> or
> production verification test. Phones are being sent to me from the first
> PVT
> run. Michael Shiloh will be back in Silicon valley next Tuesday, so he and
> I
> will test the samples and get them out to key partners. I want to check a
> couple things like using the Nokia batteries as spares and generic USB
> chargers before I send these samples out.
>
> Now, for the update on Products, and Pricing,
>
> 1. Products.
>
>   Orginally the FreeRunner ( GTA02) was planned to come out in two
> packages.
> Basic and advanced, just like the Neo 1973. We killed that idea. It was a
> quick humane death. The problem was the GTA02 advanced unit would have
> been
> $650 USD. After seeing the response to Neo 1973, a huge response, we
> decided
> the best path was to lower the price, reward our early developers, and
> attract more developers.
>
> 2. Pricing
> We scrubbed the BOM ( bill of materials). We eliminated the Luxurious
> bits.
> Optimized the box like it was code. The first thing we got rid of
> was the lunchbox. It was cool, but it was expensive and heavy. Eliminating
> that was a sizeable cost savings. ( think shipping weight).
>
> Next we pulled out the debug board and made it a separate product.  We
> priced it at $99 US. about 1 tenth what people would pay for similar
> capability.
>
> My goal was to get to a place where we could sell the FreeRunner at $399.
> USD.
>
> We did that.
>
> The FreeRunner will ship from Openmoko.com at $399. For early customers
> I'm looking at throwing in a few free things. More details later.
>
> The debug board will be available as a separate product for $99 USD.
>
> Many people wrote me mails asking if they could get a discount by buying
> more than one phone. Sometimes they were universities, sometimes a small
> business, sometimes a small group or club.
>
> For these people we created a 10Pack. instead of 399 per phone, we will
> charge 369 per phone.
>
>
> Over the next few days I will explain the next steps we go through and how
> the product will get distributed
>
>
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Re: next costumers location

[Andrea Debortoli]

2008/4/11, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> What about a nice wiki page telling if you want to buy a neo where do you
> live and an email to contact? This could be useful to take the advantage to
> buy 10 neo at a time and then giving it to each one who was accorded.
> Let me explain, i want a neo, i'm from italy, near milan, marco (usual
> name here) live in milan and wants a neo too, (and so on for 10 people)...
> So pietro, marco and each other put an order together to minimize the cost
> of the neo, so everyone can get the neo at a smaller price.
>
> This is only an idea and a usual thing that i do with my friends when
> buying something from US or other countries.
>
> If someone find this useful can set up such a page? i don't know how to
> use a wiki (yes, i know, i should learn how to use it but now i don't want
> to do that :D)


I think we could use local groups pages for that...

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Milan

maybe creating a new section about ordering...

ciao

Cya!
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Re: new main page of our wiki

[Andrea Debortoli]

2008/4/17, NeoSleg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
> Can you really read this ?
>
>
>
> http://www.tsleg.com/upload/data/LGK2_newiki.PNG
>
> The blue links over grey background are not readable


to me links appear orange!!...they seem great!!
good job!

Firefox 2 on Windows XP (I'm at work :( )
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:26:08 +0200, "Flemming Richter Mikkelsen"
>
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 4/17/08, rakshat hooja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> Please remove the black from the tables. its very tough to read the
> page
>
> >> with strong colours. Otherwise its nice.
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > I do not agree. I really love the black background. It makes it easy to
>
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Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)

[Andrea Debortoli]

I think nobody will buy a GTA02v5 knowing that a better revision will be
available some days after...
I think this is a counterproductive way to go on marketingbecause
I apprehend
that nobody will tell us when GTA02v5 will be sold out and GTA02v6 will be
on sale...

just my 2 cents

2008/4/18, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> On 4/18/08, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> > | I'm re-posting here some mails from the openmoko-devel "Future Button
> > | and LED software spec" thread [1] in which there are some infos about
> > | Freerunner hardware that I think they should be more visible.
> > |
> > | Summarizing, they say that the GTA02v6 hardware version fixes an
> > | hardware bug that causes the LEDs to use about 150mW instead of 25mW.
> >
> > Yeah, but how often are the LEDs lit in normal operation: ~0.
>
>
> As written in the dev list, the problem is with the transistors:
>
> *Shawn Rutledge wrote:
> > But  GTA02v5 is not going to ship is it?*
>
> *Last thing I've heard, the first units will be GTA02v5 *
>
> *Fortunately, these power-draining LEDs (well, it's the transistors
> really) are the only major issue we fixed between v5 and v6. There
> are a few smaller improvements, mainly shaving off a mW of suspend
> power consumption here and there.*
>
> *- Werner*
> It was not easy to find any details, but it was mentioned something about
> a fix:
>
> *From: Werner Almesberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Future Button and LED software spec
> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.thirdparty
> Date: 2008-04-17 15:50:07 GMT (1 day, 2 hours and 8 minutes ago)*
>
> *thomasg wrote:
> > @Werner: do you know - or can you figure out - how many GTA02v5 will
> leave
> > the factory and reach the customers?*
>
> *I've heard something like "thousands". However, I've also heard that
> there'll be some sort of fix for the LED problem in these GTA02v5.
> Perhaps the dual transistor for the dual LED has been replaced with a
> pack with built-in register. I'll probably hear more about this in the
> next days.*
>
> *> And how will it be possible to find out what revision it is without
> powering
> > it on?*
>
> *I don't know if there will be any easily visible labels or such. I
> know it's printed quite clearly on the PCB *
>
> *- Werner*
> It sounds to me as the problem is easy for those of us that knows a little
> electronics. If I get one that leaks current, I will start soldering!
>
> Does anybody know if the fix Werner is talking about, will be done for all
> GTA02v5 PCB's? If it really will be a fix for it, it will not be any problem
> at all.
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Re: Don't ship GTA02v5 without the rework

[Andrea Debortoli]

2008/4/19, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> I have to say, I'm baffled by that sentiment. GTA02v5 is fully
> functional, the only "problem" is that it's not as efficient as it
> could be, just like every other product on the planet.
>
> For those saying "wait another month" I've got a different arguement -
> let's NOT hire people to make the changes, purchase the equipment
> needed to do it. If a missing transistor is really upsetting someone
> that much, the open nature of Openmoko works in your favor because you
> can wait until the units you consider "defective" are sold out. I, for
> one, don't want to pay the costs (and I will, if Openmoko decides to
> wait and add the transistor for goodwill) that will be incurred and
> spread over the rest of the product line. I'm QUITE happy to take a v5
> and go along on my merry way.
>
> It is quite possible to make your statement by NOT purchasing a v5
> unit and waiting for a v6. Choosing to wait yourself, without passing
> the delay and costs onto everyone else is the most ethical, polite way
> to solve the problem.


I don't know if it's possible to explicitly choose a GTA02v5 or a GTA02v6 at
the buying moment...
if someone will tell us something about this I'll be more quiet...:)
I'm very happy that someone is going to buy a bugged hw (although barely),
but remember that battery lifetime is (and probably will always be) a
critical issue for Freerunners, and personally I don't want to buy an hw
revision that increase these issues...(knowing that there is a better one
around the corner)

Regards
Andrea Debortoli

-Kevin
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Steven Le Roux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > I totally agree with you.
> >
> > I understand everybody is happy to see the neo coming, but don't forget
> the
> > goal :) : to provides the best free phones.
> >
> > It wouldn't be pleasant for us to by a phone, knowing there is a known
> issue
> > with optimisation of  power consumption and LED stuff..
> >
> > I understand the rush ;) but we can wait...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > OpenMoko team:
> > >
> > > It's crazy to consider shipping the GTA02v5 without the rework
> > > to solve the current leakage issue.
> > >
> > > Yes, people are REALLY anxious to get this phone. But shipping
> > > a few thousand of units that do not meet spec on standby time
> > > is a Bad Idea.
> > >
> > > pull up your socks and do the rework
> > > if that delays launch by 30 days so be it.
> > > besides the firmware will be better by then as well. ;)
> > >
> > > -ron jeffries.
> > >
> > > CONTEXT:
> > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > From: "Shawn Rutledge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion"
> > 
> > > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:30:59 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future
> > Button and LED software spec)
> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > It sounds to me as the problem is easy for those of us that knows a
> > little
> > > > electronics. If I get one that leaks current, I will start
> soldering!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Does anybody know if the fix Werner is talking about, will be done
> for
> > all
> > > > GTA02v5 PCB's? If it really will be a fix for it, it will not be any
> > problem
> > > > at all.
> > >
> > > Yes maybe it can be fixed.  But is the fix documented yet?
> > >
> > > Another way to look at it: if the fix can be done without a PCB
> > > change, then why not get the factory to do the rework (swapping
> > > transistors or whatever) before they are shipped?  How much would it
> > > cost to get that done in China?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ron K. Jeffries
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Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)

[Andrea Debortoli]

2008/4/19, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Andrea Debortoli wrote:
>
> > I think nobody will buy a GTA02v5 knowing that a better revision will be
> > available some days after...
> >
>
> I will too, but only because I can't wait longer :(
> I'm not so happy about this decision, btw...


It's a few days matter anyhow...

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Re: Italy User Group

[Andrea Debortoli]

2008/4/28 ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I am organizing one in South Tyrol. I want just to check all the
> person who said they want one (more then twenty), and then look how
> many more we need to come to a complete set of k*10 Neos. Probably
> i'll also buy something like 7 or 8 neos for my own to write custome
> software to then resell to specific companies. As soon as I know the
> exact number, i'll put it in the wiki :D


great! I already placed my name in that wiki pageI'm the only one from
Trentino...:(...it would be great to be able to place a 10 Neos order in our
country!...much less shipping costs!

I'm waiting for your name on the wiki!

bye bye

>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Pedro Aguilar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >  Sorry, I missed that page...
> >
> >  Has anyone started organizing a 10 pack order? May be one in Milan and
> >  another one in Veneto?
> >
> >  Even if it's only in Milan I would still be interested :)
> >
> >  Bye,
> >  --
> >  Pedro Aguilar
> >
> >
> >
> >  On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 00:53 +0200, Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano wrote:
> >  > Pedro Aguilar ha scritto:
> >  > > Hi,
> >  > >
> >  > > I've seen several large local groups in Europe, but not in Italy.
> >  > > I would like to see a large Italian local group and create a 10
> pack
> >  > > Sales Group for the Freerunner.
> >  > >
> >  > > Anyone joining the Italian Group?
> >  > > We'd just need 9 more :)
> >  > >
> >  > > Regards,
> >  >
> >  > ?? hey look at the wiki :D we are more than 2, we can actually place
> 2
> >  > 10pack order, one in milan, and the other one somwhereelse, or both
> in
> >  > milan (there should be someone who can phisically do this) but,
> welcome,
> >  > just leave your name in the wiki, i think that a good moment to
> organize
> >  > the things is when someone will say "Hey, the freerunner is in
> >  > production stage".
> >  >
> >  > Cya!
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Re: Italy User Group

[Andrea Debortoli]

2008/4/28 Paolo Cavallini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Andrea Debortoli ha scritto:
> >
> >
> > 2008/4/28 ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>:
> >
> > I am organizing one in South Tyrol. I want just to check all the
> > person who said they want one (more then twenty), and then look how
> > many more we need to come to a complete set of k*10 Neos. Probably
> > i'll also buy something like 7 or 8 neos for my own to write custome
> > software to then resell to specific companies. As soon as I know the
> > exact number, i'll put it in the wiki :D
> >
>
> I would also be interested: where should I sign on?
> pc


http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Italy


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Re: Italy User Group

[Andrea Debortoli]

2008/4/29 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano ha scritto:
>
> > Andrea Debortoli ha scritto:
> >
> > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Italy
> > >
> >
> > Just 2 things, when someone insert his/her name should also update the
> > number at the top, just under the city!
> >
> > Hey, we are 37 people!! :D
> >
>
> I waited for this thread... All countries have one :P.
> Anyway I think we should "spam" a little more around on blogs, forums and
> so on. Anyone can do this "bad" work? :)


I've already done this on www.neo1973.it but there's no many others
places where we're sure to find interested peoplemaybe you could
convince felipe...:)...

bye
Andrea

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Re: Italy User Group

[Andrea Debortoli]

52 people from Italy!!!
come on guys!!
we need to reach at least 10 people registration from Veneto!
I'm wondering what are university students waiting for...:/

2008/4/29 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Andrea Debortoli wrote:
>
> > I've already done this on www.neo1973.it <http://www.neo1973.it> but
> > there's no many others places where we're sure to find interested
> > peoplemaybe you could convince felipe...:)...
> >
>
> Ok, I'll contact him... :)
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Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date

[Andrea Debortoli]

also days of 399$ Freerunner will go:)
and GTA04 is already under early development...I think I'll wait a bit more
to purchase

2008/5/10 Kunal Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi SK,
>
>   Just to clarify, iPhone 8 GB (including the this 8 GB memory) is 399 US$.
>
>   Of course the other issues like service provider agreement is an added
> pain.
>   But the days of US$700 iPhone are gone.
>  Regards,
> Kunal
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> Shakthi Kannan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> --- Kunal Singh wrote:
>> | Apple will be releasing the iPhone in India later this year.
>> | This phone is likely to be priced much cheaper than free-runner
>> \--
>>
>> Actually, the iPhone is costlier (around INR 27-28k, or USD 700) than
>> the FreeRunner (INR 20k, or USD 500). But, one cannot compare price
>> with software freedom ("priceless").
>>
>> http://www.rediff.com/money/2008/apr/16apple.htm
>>
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/04/18/vodafone-will-reportedly-carry-iphone-in-india-in-september
>>
>> http://www.iphonenirvana.net/
>>
>> ---
>> | And the reason why I want to participate in open source development
>> \--
>>
>> ... in which case the iPhone is out of the question. So, why bother
>> about the cost?
>>
>> Even if you imported hardware development boards from China/Taiwan to
>> India, you will end up paying 70% of the product prise for
>> customs+tax. If you want to do it as business, then, add some
>> percentage for your profit, which, will again increase the consumer
>> price.
>>
>> Or, do it the usual way. Buy it in US/Europe/Singapore, and if someone
>> known to you is flying down to India (which always happens), ask them
>> to hand-carry it.
>>
>> SK
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date

[Andrea Debortoli]

I heard about GTA04 on lists but fairly never about GTA03
btw I heard that numer 3 could be a particular numer that's better to skip
in naming devices...
I don't know if it's a religion/culture thingbut I don't careI WANT
IT!...:)

2008/5/10 Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 18:17 +0200, Andrea Debortoli wrote:
> > also days of 399$ Freerunner will go:)
> > and GTA04 is already under early development...I think I'll wait a bit
> > more to purchase
>
>
> You are a lot more patient than I am.
>
> The only reason I didn't get the GTA01 is because I knew wifi was on
> it's way. I have been watching this project since pretty much the
> beginning, dreaming of when I will have one of these phones in my hand.
> This is coming from a person who has never paid more than £20 for a
> phone, and has never had a new one (always second hand). I never cared
> about mobile phones until openmoko.
> Can't for the life of me remember how I first heard about it though =S.
>
> Also... why is it going from GTA02 to GTA04 ? Won't the next phone be
> GTA03 (even if it is a developer model like GTA01 was)?
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