Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
I've had my Freerunner since day 1 and sadly have to agree with almost everything Joerg has said. The surprising thing to me is that we haven't seen more significant improvement on the software side in the last year. I'm not saying things haven't improved, I've just had the following in the back of my mind this whole time: I can buy a $20 pay-as-you go phone that has reliable SMS and voice calls, audible call volume, decent battery life, a fast boot process, reliable input method, a working calendar, and a few silly games. This made me believe that the software side of things was relatively easy. (If that cheapo phone can do it, the Freerunner developers will have these kinks worked out in no time I thought.) Maybe, as Joerg acknowledges too, all these little things ARE working on some distro or other or can be fixed by someone willing to tweak it for three months but in all this time I haven't been able to just flash the thing and get everything to work as reliably as my $20 junk phone. This has surprised me. I keep hoping that Koolu is going to release a version of Android that accomplishes this, but that seems at least a few more weeks (months?) off as well. Every couple of weeks I take the time to install what appears to be the best distro and fiddle with it for a day or so before being confounded by an array of things that still don't work. Then I set it aside and wait another couple of weeks and repeat. I couldn't advise even very experienced GNU/Linux users like our original poster who want the FR to replace a capable smartphone to try it right now. As I see it, only two results are possible: he'll give up disappointed or he'll spend way too much time (3 months) trying to tweak the FR to do that list of things he wants it to do and ultimately succeed, but will have spent 3 months without a usable daily phone. If those of us who feel like this are missing a great FR experience that the rest of you daily users are having, then perhaps the wiki needs a new section Daily Users where each person who is completely satisfied with their FR setup can describe in excruciating detail (command by command) how they got to that point so that the rest of us could cut-and-paste their HOWTO and have the same experiences. Without something like that, I don't expect to be a daily user any time soon. Brian Joerg Lippmann wrote: Am Montag 22 Juni 2009 schrieb Ben Wong: I want to thank Joerg for taking the time to give a clear list of reasons why a person might consider the Freerunner unsuitable as a phone. I think it'd be helpful if these and other points were put on the wiki so that potential buyers can see the arguments against the Freerunner, and what the community response is. (E.g., Solved? Kludged? In progress? Unfixable?) Good starting point! I'd like to thank everyone who answered my disgruntled mail in a constructive manner. You all made a good case for the freerunner/openmoko and I appreciate that. I think I see clearer, why I'm so unhappy with it now and maybe that's the case for other people, too. I think, most of the technical answers totally missed my point. The guy wanted a smartphone. He didn't ask for an exiting piece of hardware experimentation lab and developer paradise. If you recommend to tweak this mixer-setting and install that tool and use that kernel-fix, then you prove, that it's not for him. I listed a lot of points, where I got stuck or where I got frustrated with the Freerunner to show, where he might get stuck, too. Granted, most of my points may be solved in distro A or fixed in Kernel B, or fixable by tweaking settings in illume. but the point is, that there is (to my knowledge) not a single distro out there, that works perfectly out of the box and has all the fixes already installed. Thats whats needed, if you want to recommened it to the end-user. You are offering me and this guy single proofs-of-concept, and that is great for further development, but thats not a working everyday smartphone. let me cite another mail (from Vasco Nevoa): Yes, it needs A LOT of attention and tweaking for about 3 months until you get it just right for yourself, but after that it's good enough as a phone and GPS, and a pretty good PDA. See my point? Best wishes! j�...@home ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] sid/squeeze on freerunner
Robin Paulson wrote: yes, but the packages i need require a long chain of dependencies from sid/squeeze, and i don't want to do that - i'll get a broken system very quickly. i'd rather get the whole OS is there way in lenny to reliably upgrade to sid/squeeze? i've heard the idea of changing all instances of 'lenny' to 'sid' in the sources.list file, but that sounds very flaky Yes, if you just change lenny to sid, you should expect a lot of things to break. What you want to learn about is apt-pinning. Google that. You need to change your /etc/apt/sources.list to include both lenny and sid and have an /etc/apt/preferences file that tells apt which packages to pull from lenny and which from sid. The problem will be this long chain of dependencies. Before you even begin, you should investigate exactly what versions of each package will be needed, then in your /etc/apt/preferences file, you can pin each of those packages to sid, keeping lenny as the default for everything else. I assume by long chain you understand that when sid package A requires sid package B you should also check the dependencies of sid package B as it may require further upgrades (and so on...this is what makes it a chain.) In looking into this you may learn that a required dependency isn't in the arm sid repository that freerunner uses and then you will be stuck, but better to learn that in advance than once you have a broken system. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: minimo (browser on freerunner)
henrikz wrote: arne anka wrote: does it happen with the charger only or everytime you connect usb? It happens both with the AC charger and the usb-cable. Intrestingly it doesn't freeze the keyboard when using i.e. the terminal, however it messes up the key-bindings e.g.: With usb plugged in: the minus key - outputs a backslash \ the } outputs a ∼ with usb unplugged the signs are output correctly! seems that the usb port/drivers are interfering with the matchbox-keyboard :) I experienced the - outputting \ a few days ago and didn't realize it was related to the cable being connected, but I'm sure I had the cable connected at the time. Nice find. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community contributions to core apps features. (Was: Terminalfor ASU)
steve wrote: If you want to start a wiki about OM. Sean is the CEO, I am the VP of marketing, Wolfgang is the VP of Engineering. we announced this a long while ago in the press. First attempt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Employees Based on review of all press releases at openmoko.com and looking for openmoko.org or openmoko.com email addresses in the June/July archives of the community, support, and documentation email lists. This first effort likely leaves out some people and even of those listed, official titles are often not known. It's a wiki: please contribute to make this more complete. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Design
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community Design. This is a long, careful response to Sean's Openmoko on Design post. If one goes back to the beginning of the Terminal for ASU thread, what you find is that several users were just getting things set up and mostly working in ASU and then they upgraded and found numerous things were broken because they no longer had a means of manually bringing up a keyboard. A keyboard that always automatically knows when it is needed sounds great in theory, but prior to that perfect keyboard being implemented, what happened here was that users experienced a degradation in usability and had no obvious means of restoring the lost functionality. They were understandably frustrated by this. At the same time we heard comments from a key developer who indicated that the decision was made above him by unnamed individuals with whom the community has no obvious means of communication, and who apparently don't even listen to the reasonable technical arguments of key developers. This also seemed to reveal something about the internals of Openmoko that weren't expected: development decisions are not entirely made by the developers, but instead they answer to some people who the community cannot readily identify and who the community doesn't know how to interact with or if they even can interact with these decision-makers. This led to another set of questions. Many in the community presumed that they would be permitted to contribute code/ideas/design to the software stack that Openmoko is developing, i.e., ASU, but if there are unnamed designers implementing a private design superstructure that overrides even Openmoko developers, then the usefulness or likelihood of thinking that an ordinary end user could become an important part of that development process seems extremely diminished, if not extinguished. This understandably disappointed developers who had hoped to make such core contributions. When prodded to respond, Openmoko employees indicated a willingness to answer questions. At least the following very specific questions were asked: 1) Who is Openmoko's design department? 2) Many in the community believed that Openmoko wanted the community to contribute code to the core applications/functionality of the software stack. Is this not the case? 3) If the design department is operating from a design document, has it been made public? If so, where? If not, why not? Sean responded with a lengthy email. It illustrated again why he is the CEO. A CEO needs to be focused on the big picture, as was his response. A CEO also needs to point his or her team and the customers towards that vision. Sean's email was great at this. However, I think many in the community just wanted some specific answers to the questions above. Sean's email only partially succeeds at this. We learned: Being open doesn't mean we put the essential ideas behind each product to a public vote. which suggests that there may be some parts of what Openmoko is developing that the community will not have a means of directly participating in, and tends to confirm some of the fears expressed above. But we also learned: We're building an empty vessel for you to fill with your ideas. and Change anything you want to our interface and we will gladly deliver it to everyone. and these suggest that community contributions are welcome, even to the interface, and those contributions will sometimes, at least, become an officially distributed part of the Openmoko interface. So that tends to counteract those fears. And while we didn't get any answer to question (1)--who is the design team?--we were told that an answer to question (3)--is there a design doc?--would require working as an Openmoko employee for several months. I think the implication of this has to be that, No, there isn't a single design document that can be pointed to at this moment that explains every decision made or priority had by the Openmoko team. OK. Fine. Everyone should step back and recognize that the device has not even been on sale for a full month. Maybe some people were expecting from day one to use it as their everyday phone for push email, calendar, and contacts, and web browsing and video/mp3 playback, and GPS applications-galore, all with a bluetooth headset that would be operated by accelerometers or something. But we all recognize now that it's not there yet. So, we all should also recognize that there are a million little (and some big) things that need to be done to get the device to have all the capabilities that its hardware make possible. But the community can have (at least) two distinct ways of helping with that giant TODO list. 1) The community can build applications that run on a framework delivered to us by the Openmoko team; or 2) the community can be directly involved in working on the underlying framework on the device; or 3) both. It was this incident with the keyboard that made several people
Re: mark a missed call as seen
On Tuesday 29 July 2008, reaper527 wrote: is there any way to mark a missed call as seen? I've seen the same thing, and deleting the missed calls is the only thing that's worked for me. I should have checked for bug reports I suppose, or better yet dug out the source and patched it. Ticket created for this bug/defect, which I also experience: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1690 Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Volume?
Bastian Muck wrote: julien cubizolles schrieb: | Le jeudi 17 juillet 2008 à 17:53 +0200, papa-piet a écrit : | Hi, | I didn't tested it yet but maybe this will help: | | http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=5t=170start=75#p3277 | | I thinks it's the original one. I adjusted this one (increased the Mic2 | from 0 to 50) and nobody complains anymore when I call them... | No, it is not the original one. I adjusted the mono-volume, so everyone can understand me but without echo. Before the adjustment, everyone complained, that i was not loud enough. Greetings Bastian I've read this entire thread a couple of times and there are just so many options in alsamixer that I cannot figure out how to turn up the volume enough so that I can be heard by the person I'm calling. Would someone who has figured this out please place very simple instructions on the wiki? Thanks. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Suggestion: default /etc/resolv.conf
Suggestion: The rootfs should contain a resolv.conf that lists some publicly-available dns servers so that people with new FreeRunners would have a chance of getting net access without editing that file first. Despite clear instructions on the wiki, this issue continues to cause people problems and so the question comes up constantly on the list. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Public build host (proposal)
Marek Lindner wrote: Hi, since it seems to be extremely difficult to build software for the OpenMoko on my home machine, perhaps it would be usefull if someone (within OpenMoko?) would set up a globally reachable build host with an openembedded and toolchain environment on it. could you describe what kind of problems you experience ? The only way to improve the situation is by naming the issues at hand. :-) Marek I have yet to get a single application to build on my Ubuntu machine. Everything I've tried ends up missing some library or other and the instructions for adding libraries not in the toolchain are totally unclear to me. (Also, it seems like some extremely basic libraries are not in the toolchain, so that makes no sense to me either.) Finally, there was discussion on this list, in another thread, I think, that much of the toolchain's .la files still refer to gta01 or neo1973 directories and that this causes a lot of problems. I'm not sure if that's what is causing my issues or something else, but I'll echo what another list member said: One would think that a working toolchain would be a priority. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
Søren Kristiansen wrote: Hello As the subject says, has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner? I received the full-body invisibleSHIELD recently. I don't have a lot of patience for tasks like this, but I found the back cover useful and the screen protector good. The front cover piece is so flimsy that I could never get it in the right position and when I came close, to me it just made the FreeRunner look horrible, so I took it off. I never even bothered with the side pieces. I'm going to have to try to re-apply the screen piece a few more times because I couldn't get all the air bubbles out the first time, so those spots will eventually drive me crazy, but I don't think the glare issue is too bad. I would prefer a little of that to a scratched-up screen, anyway. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: see: http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1781 /j Yes, something like this should be added to the contents of the FreeRunner box. Would likely be cheap to buy in bulk, but amazingly useful for users who could instantly connect a world of existing USB devices to their FreeRunner. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Terminal for ASU
Ken Restivo wrote: Crap. I was considering opening a bug report (enhancement, probably) on this-- the ASU needs a terminal. But I don't want to get smacked down with a ASU will never have a terminal, it's not a supported use case closure for it. *Will* the ASU have a terminal app that works with the Qtopia environment? Or is that something I shouldn't expect to work? -ken 1. It's an open platform, so it's inevitable that it will have a terminal. 2. If it were not possible to have a terminal on ASU, then OpenMoko should just abandon ASU immediately. Therefore, you should feel free to open the bug. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: pdf in openmoko?
arne anka wrote: i put epdfview up to http://www.ginguppin.de/node/18 I installed epdfview (thank you!) but neither the openmoko-browser2 nor minimo knows to hand off a pdf link to another program. Neither even gives a Save As option. These results should probably be filed as bugs unless someone can explain how to fix. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
Andy Green wrote: Yes GPS chip is very sticky, even when depowered for some time it seems to hold state and not act in a deterministic way. It makes it hard to know if the last thing you changed is responsible for the behaviour staying the same or changing, or if it was going to do that anyway. That makes debugging it very confused. -Andy While the issue you mention may have affected my test, here's the results: 1. Upgraded to today's kernel: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# uname -a Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jul 18 02:16:41 CEST 2008 armv4tl unknown 2. Tested GPS TTFF without SD card (from an indoor position not near a window): 306s 3. Shutdown and insert SD card 4. Tested GPS TTFF with SD card (from same indoor position not near a window): 484s Previously from this same spot with SD card I could let it run all night long and never get a fix, so maybe the fix in step 2 is helping the fix in step 4, but the impression I get is that the most recent kernel has improved things. Brian Note: I get much better TTFF times outdoors, but didn't have opportunity to check. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calendar events
Curtis Vaughan wrote: I've noticed a strange issue with the calendar. So I created the same event again, but left it at it's default time of 09:00. OK, it was there. So then I changed the time to 14:00 and closed out it. It was still set at 09:00. Any clues on what's up? Thank you for confirming the bug I reported here: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1612 The calendar program does not allow one to edit the time of an event once it is initially entered. So, right now it's a great calendar for people who never make mistakes... In all seriousness, if you could add your experience to that bug perhaps someone would take a look at it. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Claws Mail
arne anka wrote: as promised, i uploaded a tar ball with everything belonging to claws-mail to ginguppin.de/node/17 included are libetpan11 and ibgnutls, at least libetpan11 (whatever it does) is not available from the feeds. if dependencies are missing, drop a mail. Thanks very much for this. I only needed the claws-mail and libetpan11 .ipk's to get a working claws mail. I just used it to send a test email from my FreeRunner (and it worked). Great! Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
thomasg wrote: The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matter if it's mounted or in use, it just has to sit in the socket. Testresults from other people appreciated. I can also confirm this. I never got a fix on FreeRunner before, even leaving it on all night (albeit indoors), but without SD card got a fix indoors (not even really in a good location inside) in about 500 seconds. I presume if I went outside or stood by a window I could improve this time. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?
john wrote: If there is an interest in this I could package it up for Openmoko. There is also potential for developing a native GUI local search tool using hyper estraier because it comes with a C API and other language bindings. This would remove the web server dependency. Please do package this for Openmoko! This would be a very nice project, with or without its own GUI. I could see it being used on downloaded versions of wikipedia or the Openmoko wiki. It also would be interesting if it could be integrated into the online Openmoko wiki, whose current search functionality is often complained about. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NEWBIE : beginning development in openmoko
Rahul Ramasubramanian wrote: hi hope this is the right place for this query.. i am a newbie as far as openmoko is concerned , but have abt 2 years of mobile handset dev expirience. i want to try my hand at openmoko development.. i have worked on Linux based phones and also on phones with Qualcomm's REX and Brew platforms , mainly on middleware (VM , FS porting etc)..My question is , is ther any doc , guide available to start off working on open-moko projects.. any help will be highly appriciated Kind Regards Rahul You also may want to start or join a project at http://projects.openmoko.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: minimo (browser on freerunner)
arne anka wrote: i just built minimo and cellwriter for the freerunner (gta02), which went surprisingly well ... for ipk see http://www.ginguppin.de/node/16 Thanks very much for the .ipk, which installed fine for me. However, I have not yet been to an https secure site that hasn't crashed minimo. Is this expected? How might I capture more log info to figure out what's happening? Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Mediaplayer on 2007.2: gstreamer failed to initialize
The FreeRunner Getting Started Guide suggests: # opkg install openmoko-mediaplayer2 # wget http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 # tar xjf openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 -C /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0 I did that, but when trying to start Mediaplayer I get the following error: Error: gstreamer failed to initialize. Please make sure gstreamer and its modules are properly installed (esp. gst-meta-audio). But, to the extent I know how to check that gstreamer is properly installed, it seems to be. For instance, opkg install gst-meta-audio returns: Package gst-meta-audio (0.10-r10) installed in root is up to date. Nothing to be done. Any thoughts on how to get Mediaplayer and gstreamer to play nice? Brian P.S. I am successfully making and receiving calls (as well as SMS messages) on ATT in U.S. So far very excited by the device's potential. But, could someone put a detailed HOWTO on the wiki for: 1. installing a web browser on default 2007.2 image; and 2. installing an on-screen keyboard with CTRL, ESC, / and so forth. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Web Browser Form Entry?
On FreeRunner 2007.2, I did: opkg install openmoko-browser2 and also installed the full keyboard per instructions here: http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15 Now I browse to Google or any site with a form entry box and I cannot figure out how to enter text into the form. What am I missing? Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser Form Entry?
Michael Kluge wrote: Brian C schrieb: On FreeRunner 2007.2, I did: opkg install openmoko-browser2 and also installed the full keyboard per instructions here: http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15 Now I browse to Google or any site with a form entry box and I cannot figure out how to enter text into the form. What am I missing? Brian Did you see any error messages during the install of the new keyboard*.ipk's? What image are you using? factory or ScaredyCat? Already rebooted or restarted xserver? Michael No error messages during install of the keyboard*.ipk's. Using factory 2007.2 image. Rebooted after install of keyboard and web browser was already installed, so to the extent a reboot could help, I've done one. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Import Contacts
Brian C wrote: [a long error message because he didn't run the script from the OM terminal] Ok, so the script runs now that I realize it must be run from the OM terminal. However, it appears to have entered all null contacts and so far none of them appear to have any actual contact info in them. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser Form Entry?
Alexander Syring wrote: I have a symbol in my panel add the following to /etc/matchbox/session matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup \ --end-applets openmoko-panel-clock,keyboard,openmoko-panel-battery,openmoko-panel-gsm,openmoko-panel-gps,openmoko-panel-usb,openmoko-p anel-bt,openmoko-panel-memory,openmoko-panel-wifi --titlebar after that you have to restart the x-server and look what's new ;-) That did the trick. Thanks! Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Web Browser Zoom?
I can't figure out how to zoom in/out while using the web browser (and/or change the font size). Is this functionality not yet coded or am I missing something? Right now the fonts are too big and I see far too little of the page for it to be really usable. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Congratulations to the OpenMoko Team
Steve's recent message indicating that this first batch of FreeRunner's has sold out (in approximately a week's time) is, I hope, well-received news among the OpenMoko team. I am sure you all have been working hard for a long time to get to this point, and clearly the world has been waiting too, since it only took us a week to snap up as many free-as-in-freedom phones as you could deliver. I'm sure the last week has been exhausting for you all, so thank you for your overtime efforts. The community is clearly excited to get a hold of an open platform upon which it can create whatever they can imagine. I am looking forward to seeing all the things people dream up. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions about our mailinglists
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: 2) Remove 'device-owners'. 2) is a bit more controversial. But, being somebody that loves change, I would like to try it as well. I think device-owners should be removed. It is easier, especially for newbies, to locate a single list community where they can expect to get an answer to their questions. If there were to be some benefit from multiple lists, and there could be, then they would need to be defined differently than community and device-owners which contains far too much overlap. If there were a support list that was clearly intended to be questions about how to get things working (flashing an image, compiling some software, etc.) and then some other list for all non-support related discussions (not sure the best name for it, but community still seems too broad and would confuse newcomers), then that could be a useful split. Anyway, unless two better-defined lists were proposed, I would agree that removing device-owners and putting everything in community is preferable. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New Wiki Page: Latest Images
2007.2, ASU, FSO, SHR -- if you're head is starting to spin at the options available on an open platform, then, like me, you need a summary of all these in one place that includes links to the files for the brave and links to screenshots and/or videos for the merely curious. Thus, I tried to resolve my own confusion by creating this wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images I'm only partially confident that it is accurate, and I'm sure it's incomplete in that there are probably other good sets of screenshots or videos out there that I don't know about. Also, I've heard of Scaredycat images and trolltech ones that I know nothing about and hence didn't list. But that's why it's a wiki! Please improve and enjoy. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!
Harry wrote: Dear All, Sorry for delay long time!!! So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and spare also!!! http://www.openmoko.com/store.html Freerunner is running Thanks and BR For those who wish to pick up in Fremont, there doesn't seem to be an obvious option in the checkout process to indicate that. Can this be changed or can someone advise what we should do? Brian (part of SF Bay Area Group Purchase) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast questions about GTA03
Lucas Bonnet wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I encourage you to get involved today. We need your help. Waiting for GTA03 is a possibility of course, but keep in mind how long it took us to go from 01 to 02. Sure, how can we help? Well, from the looks of the screenshots, Freerunners will ship without a GUI email program or web browser. (Is that right?) If so, I'd think that everyone who can contribute to a software update that includes those apps should. They seem fairly critical to me for any smartphone. I would also rate getting the Glamo further figured out so that it will do video playback as well as it's able is important. Note: many people on this list don't care at all about video. I understand that. However, I'm thinking more of public perception. If Slashdot/Engadget/Gizmodo etc. read reviews of the device that say, as shipped, it can't do email, web browsing, or video playback, then a lot of people will simply ignore Openmoko for good. It would be better for the community if it instead attracted as many people as possible. It's hard to overcome a bad first impression, but if some important software updates become available within a month or two, there will still be a chance to bring people around. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Quick Start User Guide
BrendaWang wrote: Here is the getting start guide from wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner In the Flashing the Freerunner section it says, You can use the USB cable and Openmoko provided tool to flash Neo FreeRunner. I'm curious about the use of the word can. Is it possible to flash the Freerunner from the device itself, without using the USB cable connected to another GNU/Linux host? I suspect it's not, and that this section could clarify this by saying, To flash the Freerunner you must connect it via a USB cable to a host that can run the Openmoko-provided flashing tool. (And then I think it might also be true that the flashing tool is currently only available for GNU/Linux. Is that right?) Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: upgrade memory card
ian douglas wrote: [snip] Did anyone else test an 8GB card yet? If not, I'll order another one on the weekend. [snip] I bought an 8GB Sandisk MicroSD card. I'm part of a group purchase for the San Francisco Bay Area and we plan to pick up in Fremont, so as soon as the Freerunners arrive I will be testing it out and will certainly report back on the result. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vote! Zimbra Mobile on the Openmoko
Joseph Reeves wrote: Dear all, I'd like to bring this poll to your attention: http://www.zimbra.com/forums/zimbrame-j2me-client/12642-vote-phones-zimbra-j2me-client.html I voted for this. I want something that will synchronize my email/contacts/calendar between my Freerunner and my GNU/Linux laptop. I'm willing to adopt different software on the laptop (Thunderbird + Lightning, Evolution, whatever) and even willing to run my own mail server/collaboration suite if necessary. I just want it to work. I'd be interested to hear how other people who'd like to sync intend to automate that process. For instance, will the native Freerunner apps support SyncML? Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
cedric cellier wrote: [snip] So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ? What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ? [snip] The MobileMe initiative was a far bigger announcement yesterday than the 3G iPhone. Once one uses a Treo or similar linked to an Exchange server then one is spoiled by having email/contacts/calendar pushed to/from your phone automatically. People choosing the Freerunner shouldn't have to take a step backwards in this respect. Surely someone can start a push project for the Freerunner so that its native email/contacts/cal apps can interact with the most common mail servers and/or GNU/Linux-based desktop apps. (Or there's a business opportunity here for someone who wants to be the intermediate server in the cloud.) Second, there's been some discussion of Android on the Freerunner. Since Google is making increasingly clear that they will open source all the component parts of Android, what's the reason for not throwing Openmoko's full support behind that project too, and working together with them on a great open UI/platform for mobile devices? Maybe there is a good reason--I don't know--so, I'm really asking: why compete with another open source phone project that has such an enormous amount of support? Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
