Re: OMoney Milestone 1
I think it should be /home/root/*.log 2008/12/10 Tony Berth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > probably a stupid question but ... where can I find the log of that > application? > > I'm using the latest jffs (Om2008.9-gta02-20081117.rootfs.jffs2) and did > the updates from the test repos > > Thanks > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Thomas Bumbl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Thank you for your replies. >> First question would be: >> why the hell is this thread mixed up with anotherone at nabble? >> >> Then: >> @Arigead: >> I have planned in location awareness (the database includes a field >> for gps coords) >> All location based features will come later though >> Other stuff has higher priority (delete/modify history; settings; clean up >> code) >> >I'd not like to look at the history on the phone as even on that great >> >screen I think you're on a hiding to nothing >> >> @KaZer: feel free to add it >> >> I know, but I am willing to take that challange as this is a feature >> I'd like to see >> A desktop client would be nice too though >> >> @Tony Berth: >> please post the log and which rootfs you use >> everything works fine here >> >> >> @all: omoney should be available over the shr repo >> so just opkg install omoney when you are on shr >> >> >> 2008/12/10, Tony Berth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Thomas Bumbl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > >> >> I'd like to announce the initial release of OMoney! >> >> OMoney ... bookkeeping on the go. >> >> One might ask, why the hell do we need a bookkeeping software on a >> phone? >> >> Because my experience shows that if one does not record the gains and >> >> expenses one forgets half of them. >> >> And ... Because we can. >> >> >> >> As OMoney is one of those "release early, release often programs" >> >> milestone 1 at the moment includes "only" the following corefeatures: >> >> * Displays the current available amount of money >> >> * One can do transactions to add and deduce money >> >> * Automatic keyboard call >> >> * A history table which includes date, time, amount, purpose and >> location >> >> of the transaction >> >> * Basic error handling >> >> >> >> Downloadlink for the ipk: >> >> [1] >> >> >> >> More features will come soon: >> >> Currently I am implementing a settings dialog (to e.g. set the currency >> >> [at >> >> the moment one has to edit a constant in the omoney file]) >> >> For more planned features look at the project's bug tracker. >> >> >> >> From a technical point of view OMoney uses: >> >> * python >> >> * python-ecore >> >> * python-evas >> >> * python-edje >> >> * python-etk (for entry and table widget) >> >> * python-sqlite3 >> >> >> >> What do I want from you? >> >> * Feedback:Do you like the app or do you think the author has gone >> >> round the bend? >> >> What could be improved? >> >> Features you would like to see? >> >> How could one display the history more efficiently? >> >> * Patches:If you think a part of code is inefficient, too >> unflexible, >> >> incomplete, buggy, etc >> >> feel free to contribute a patch. >> >> Be kind, this is my first application with GUI >> >> >> >> I hope there are a few people who find this application useful. >> >> >> >> The sources and the bugtracker are located here [2] >> >> >> >> P.S.: Special thanks to Ainulindale for helping me with bitbake. >> >> And special thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> [1] >> http://omoney.googlecode.com/files/omoney_milestone1-1-r0_armv4t.ipk >> >> [2] http://code.google.com/p/omoney/ >> >> >> >> >> > Hi I did install it , rebboted FR but when I tried to run I got an >> > 'Application Error' dialog! >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Tony >> > >> >> >> -- >> mfg Bumbl >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- mfg Bumbl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OMoney Milestone 1
Actually we really should. :) Thank you Ainulindale! Thank you quickdev! 2008/12/10 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 07:30:07PM +0100, Thomas Bumbl wrote: > > P.S.: Special thanks to Ainulindale for helping me with bitbake. > > And special thanks > > We should make an Ainulindale appreciation day :) > > Rui > > -- > Or not. > Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 52nd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 > + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown > + Whatever you do will be insignificant, > | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi > + So let's do it...? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- mfg Bumbl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OMoney Milestone 1
Thank you for your replies. First question would be: why the hell is this thread mixed up with anotherone at nabble? Then: @Arigead: I have planned in location awareness (the database includes a field for gps coords) All location based features will come later though Other stuff has higher priority (delete/modify history; settings; clean up code) >I'd not like to look at the history on the phone as even on that great >screen I think you're on a hiding to nothing @KaZer: feel free to add it I know, but I am willing to take that challange as this is a feature I'd like to see A desktop client would be nice too though @Tony Berth: please post the log and which rootfs you use everything works fine here @all: omoney should be available over the shr repo so just opkg install omoney when you are on shr 2008/12/10, Tony Berth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Thomas Bumbl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I'd like to announce the initial release of OMoney! >> OMoney ... bookkeeping on the go. >> One might ask, why the hell do we need a bookkeeping software on a phone? >> Because my experience shows that if one does not record the gains and >> expenses one forgets half of them. >> And ... Because we can. >> >> As OMoney is one of those "release early, release often programs" >> milestone 1 at the moment includes "only" the following corefeatures: >> * Displays the current available amount of money >> * One can do transactions to add and deduce money >> * Automatic keyboard call >> * A history table which includes date, time, amount, purpose and location >> of the transaction >> * Basic error handling >> >> Downloadlink for the ipk: >> [1] >> >> More features will come soon: >> Currently I am implementing a settings dialog (to e.g. set the currency >> [at >> the moment one has to edit a constant in the omoney file]) >> For more planned features look at the project's bug tracker. >> >> From a technical point of view OMoney uses: >> * python >> * python-ecore >> * python-evas >> * python-edje >> * python-etk (for entry and table widget) >> * python-sqlite3 >> >> What do I want from you? >> * Feedback:Do you like the app or do you think the author has gone >> round the bend? >> What could be improved? >> Features you would like to see? >> How could one display the history more efficiently? >> * Patches:If you think a part of code is inefficient, too unflexible, >> incomplete, buggy, etc >> feel free to contribute a patch. >> Be kind, this is my first application with GUI >> >> I hope there are a few people who find this application useful. >> >> The sources and the bugtracker are located here [2] >> >> P.S.: Special thanks to Ainulindale for helping me with bitbake. >> And special thanks >> >> >> [1] http://omoney.googlecode.com/files/omoney_milestone1-1-r0_armv4t.ipk >> [2] http://code.google.com/p/omoney/ >> >> > Hi I did install it , rebboted FR but when I tried to run I got an > 'Application Error' dialog! > > Thanks > > Tony > -- mfg Bumbl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
The problem is: This is afaik not a fix but a workaround which costs battery power. So I think there should be two kernels: One with and one without this patch. 2008/12/7 John Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Dear Community, > > Team status update: > > As in > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/036792.html > (send/receive files via bluetooth in NEO), Erin keeps working on > bluetooth. Jeremy fixed some qtopia and location bugs, and will > continue learning more about kernel. The GTK redraw problem is fixed > now (#1946) so Julian will be back to help with the Paroli edje files > and keeps working on python. Olv is having kernel fun now, but since > it's gta03 related, you probably won't see him a lot on the public > kernel list. Tick mostly worked on opkg this week. Basically there > are two big issues: > > * Incorrect behavior: as Tick indicated on devel list, there are still > some logical error in opkg, which caused some problems during > upgrade. That's why I have to use the -force-overwrite option in my > previous upgrade howto. > > * Efficiency: opkg is obviously not very efficient, both in memory and > in speed. > > Maybe we could expect another opkg release soon. > > > Qtopia: > > OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for > qtopia is fairly limited. Currently the things I want to fix most > are: > > * UCSD problem > * Window focus (soft menu disappear, problems when multiple sms come > in, etc.) > * Partial import of sim contacts. > > Please suggest if anything missing and I'll arrange my priorities. > > > There are several good things worth mentioning last week: > > * The infamous WSOD (#1841) seems to be solved. It's already in > testing repo. Praise for all helped in this! > > * GTK redraw problem (#1946) solved along with similar problem in qt > with an illume patch. Thanks, Raster! > > > p.s. It seems my last update might have created an impression that > the only way to try the testing repo is to upgrade from Om2008.9. > It's not true. Another way is to flash directly from > http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ > if you don't mind reflash the phone. > > another p.s. Someone in OM kindly reminds me that my post can create > inappropriate impressions, because although the logic is correct, the > words and tongues might be misleading. My native language is Chinese > (and I'm a master of words and tongues in Chinese), so it's kind of > difficult for me to enhance this. All I can do is encouraging you to > go ahead and ask if anything unclear, and keep in mind I'm a Taiwanese > engineer when you read this. ;) > > > Regards, > John > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- mfg Bumbl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OMoney Milestone 1
First bugfix thank you mrmoku for reporting here the new .ipk [1] Bumbl [1] http://omoney.googlecode.com/files/omoney_milestone1-1-r1_armv4t.ipk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OMoney Milestone 1
I'd like to announce the initial release of OMoney! OMoney ... bookkeeping on the go. One might ask, why the hell do we need a bookkeeping software on a phone? Because my experience shows that if one does not record the gains and expenses one forgets half of them. And ... Because we can. As OMoney is one of those "release early, release often programs" milestone 1 at the moment includes "only" the following corefeatures: * Displays the current available amount of money * One can do transactions to add and deduce money * Automatic keyboard call * A history table which includes date, time, amount, purpose and location of the transaction * Basic error handling Downloadlink for the ipk: [1] More features will come soon: Currently I am implementing a settings dialog (to e.g. set the currency [at the moment one has to edit a constant in the omoney file]) For more planned features look at the project's bug tracker. >From a technical point of view OMoney uses: * python * python-ecore * python-evas * python-edje * python-etk (for entry and table widget) * python-sqlite3 What do I want from you? * Feedback:Do you like the app or do you think the author has gone round the bend? What could be improved? Features you would like to see? How could one display the history more efficiently? * Patches:If you think a part of code is inefficient, too unflexible, incomplete, buggy, etc feel free to contribute a patch. Be kind, this is my first application with GUI I hope there are a few people who find this application useful. The sources and the bugtracker are located here [2] P.S.: Special thanks to Ainulindale for helping me with bitbake. And special thanks [1] http://omoney.googlecode.com/files/omoney_milestone1-1-r0_armv4t.ipk [2] http://code.google.com/p/omoney/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OMoney? :O
Hi OMoney is a little application by me. It is far from being finished but the main features work and it is under steady development (if everything goes well the first release might be this weekend) code can be found at omoney.googlecode.com DJDAS wrote: > Hi all, > I was thinking about an expense handling program (like HandyExpenses on > Symbian phones), I have many ideas in mind but didn't write anything > yet, but looking at some screenshots at linuxtogo I saw these: > http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=6 > I didn't find such an application (tried googling and at > opkg.org)...Does anybody knows where to find and try it? > Thank you in advance, bye! > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO-testing] Good news for 19/10/2008 image
yves mahe wrote: > Houray, > > I test the last FSO image and good things have been done : > >- suspend/resume works. >- consumption in suspend mode for 7h : > - With WIFI disabled before, my battery loose 5% > - With WIFI enabled before, my battery loose 80% >- wakeup from suspend on calls is OK >- sounds on calls are OK : > - ring > - no acoustic echo for me > - volume a bit high > > The bad : >- automatic suspend don't work >- python-etk lists are broken (already reported) > > FSO team, keep it up !! > > Yves Mahe > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > GPS does not work (at least for me) i just don't get a fix (tried 2h) with zhone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?
Armin ranjbar wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:29:39 +0100 > Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good , is there any milestone , todo on this ? how we can help ? > > By the way , why don't you include 'powertop' ? > > > >> Hi - >> >> I spent a lot of time tracking upstream HEAD for several months, we do >> have development 2.6.27 kernel based on upstream release 2.6.27. Not >> everything works yet but it's basically "there". >> >> If you're interested to visit the "edge" and know how to DFU stuff >> around with NOR to get yourself in and out of trouble, you can get a >> "moredrivers" kernel here >> > > Maybe because afaik powertop is by intel and for x86 cpus only? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?
Armin ranjbar wrote: > Well , > > 2.6.27 released , i have noticed few Great feature that can help Openmoko > device , > > * Voltage and Current Regulator really? they included phc? fantastic one thing which would be good for openmoko too and which was included is that they included ubifs which is way better than jffs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mockup or what else?
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:06:32 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> > babbled: > > >>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:13:39 +0200 Bumbl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: >>> >>> >>>> http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-01.png >>>> http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-02.png >>>> http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-03.png >>>> >>>> Are these mockups or where can I obtain this theme. >>>> >>>> It looks amazingly good. >>>> >>> i don't do mockups... :) they pollute! :) it's real. ignore the clock and >>> its background - that's just a test app i wrote (called Ello). i'm in the >>> middle of doing illume extensions to e17's nw default theme. >>> >> Woow! That's really amazing... Rasterman you're always the only who can >> make us dreaming even more. >> > > don't think it's amazing. :) it's just using the power already lurking under > the hood there with edje etc. i generally code things to have much more power > than is apparent - with simple changes of configuration/data files. i like to > do it this way because i know most people are not coders. they should not rely > on programmers to just be able to change a look and feel. this is something i > prefer to put into the hands of users as much as possible. sometimes it > complicates a lot of things - but in the end, it is worth it. i'm just using > the power already there. you can too! there's a toango theme which is also > doing > it! > > e (and also illume) are built in a way where this can be flexible and right > now > in om's asu (2008.08) you're relatively limited. you can change theme. e does > have a whole config profile system where you can quickly change the entire > setup to a previously stored profile you have with an instant flip. i've > started using them more heavily in some last changes i made to asu (2008.08/on > to 2008.09) and fso - so they use asu and fso profiles respectively. anyway... > there needs to be work on the ui look and feel to make it at least "out of the > box" impressive enough to have people drool and go "i want me some of that > open > source stuff there!" > > >> Btw I didn't read before the bad news about leaving Openmoko [1]... This >> made me really so much sad. Reading your latest mail I figured that your >> relationship with Om was not going so well (didn't they leave you enough >> space of developing how and what you'd have liked?), but I really hoped >> that this wouldn't ever happen... :( >> >> Now that enlightenment is so important for Openmoko, what will be our >> future? Since the main E developer isn't anymore part of Openmoko, its >> development won't be anymore Om-focussed; then Rasterman in the near >> future could be occupied in other things, so his interest for e-embedded >> could decrease and with it also the quality of the software that we'll use. >> > > it'll be focused on what i want. trust me - been quietly preparing for > embedded > for many years - and it still interests me a lot. i will be doing stuff - but > pretty much on my own terms as to what i see is right. what i see as right of > course is heavily influenced by what users want and need and say they have > problems with - i generally would take that and digest it into an acceptable > technical solution in the end. it isn't always perfect - it's hard to be. but > you can give it a good go and try and get a lot of the way there. users are > also not just nerds.. they are also "what would my grandmother do?" general > questions. try and cover both groups - "make it an option". options come in > many varieties. sometimes its better as an installable app/package, sometimes > it > just takes too much work to do that, sometimes its better as a runtime option, > sometimes as something else. sometimes you can do it both ways and not make it > bad for either group (keep everyone happy) :). i generally prefer runtime > options u do not need to install - if they come at "pretty much no extra > cost". > no magic packages to find or be told about. just browse the config options (in > advanced mode) and fiddle until it does what you want :) > > >> However there's another question to Openmoko: another important >> developer left openmoko; unfortunately he's not the first of the list. >> Why this happens so often? In every message I've read about, it's always >> stated that there's no so much "openness" as it should be. >> This won't to be a flame, but we all know how people like Rasterman are >> important for the project. I can't really understand how we can throw >> those opportunities away... >> > > what's about that clock is this a widget or what is it it would be cool if had something like openmoko-today - bugs for fso / e and illume ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mockup or what else?
I found this at rasterman.com which is raster's homepage Natanael Arndt wrote: > Am Montag, 15. September 2008 schrieb Bumbl: > >> http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-01.png >> http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-02.png >> http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-03.png >> >> >> Are these mockups or where can I obtain this theme. >> >> It looks amazingly good. >> > > Cool, where did you find this? > > I only found this: http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ to pimp your > FreeRunner. > > be blessed > Natanael > > -- > Web: http://natanael.comiles.eu > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jabber/XMPP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ICQ: 168210209 > Skype: white_gecko > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Mockup or what else?
http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-01.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-02.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-03.png Are these mockups or where can I obtain this theme. It looks amazingly good. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: python on FR, need a little help
someone @irc had a look on the wicd code and told me that huge parts have to be rewritten to run it with the openmoko wicd assumes for example that a wireless interface has to be named wlan0 Christian Weßel wrote: > Am Montag, den 11.08.2008, 17:58 +0200 schrieb Rorschach: > >> What happenbs if you start wicd from the console? >> >> python wicd/daemon.py >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# python /opt/wicd/daemon.py/opt/wicd > wicd daemon: pid 1894 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# lono wireless extensions. > > usb0 no wireless extensions. > > lono wireless extensions. > > usb0 no wireless extensions. > > ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device > None Interface doesn't support scanning. > > sh: ethtool: not found > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# ps -ef|grep daemon > ... > root 1894 1 4 16:35 ?00:00:02 > python /opt/wicd/daemon.py > ... > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# > > >> python wicd/gui.py >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# python /opt/wicd/gui.py > /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:69: GtkWarning: > could not open display > warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning) > attempting to connect daemon... > success > starting gui.py... > > (gui.py:1911): libglade-WARNING **: Error loading image: Failed to open > file 'data/wicd.png': No such file or directory > > (gui.py:1911): libglade-WARNING **: could not convert string to type > `GdkPixbuf' for property `icon' > Segmentation fault > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# python /opt/wicd/gui.py > attempting to connect daemon... > success > starting gui.py... > refreshing... > Number of wireless networks detected: 0 > refreshing... > Number of wireless networks detected: 0 > > The daemon seems to be running. > A gui is opened with a three items on top (Network, Disconnect, Refresh) > and the message 'No wireless networks found.' in the middle of the > screen. > At the same time at my ssh console I receive 'ifconfig: none: error > fetching interface information: Device not found' each half second. > Before that I saw 'sh: ethtool: not found'. > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Kalle Happonen wrote: > Bumbl wrote: > >> As it seems they have the contrary. >> They have a leader which seems to dictate everything without >> accepting ideas from the developers or the community. >> >> >> > Well, that's just mean. It's not like they don't listen to the community > or communicate with it, on ALL levels. But it's not like all community > ideas can be implemented immideately, and that everyone can be made > happy. Anarchy doesn't work even in open source. > > I think 2008.08 is in most ways a step forward. And in the things that > aren't like that.. sometimes you have to take a half step back to get > two steps forward. Constructive criticism is the best help one can give, > but bitching is just stupid. > > Cheers, > Kalle > >> Dimitri wrote: >> >> >>> It's hard to argue with your points, since the phone STILL can't connect to >>> the internet *out-of-the-box*. >>> >>> (Who wants to manually hack a dozen files, or install some guy's >>> half-working gui posted on some blog that requires google-translate to >>> read?) >>> >>> Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were previously >>> worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in desperate >>> need of fixing, is beyond me. >>> >>> Is it a lack of leadership? For this aggressive undertaking to be >>> successful, it needs at least one person to prioritize, delegate, and lead >>> the other developers. >>> >>> Is there such a person at Openmoko? If not, that's the problem. Having a >>> team of developers, without clear leadership, is akin to herding cats :) >>> >>> D >>> >>> >>> ted braak wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I have real doubts about the some Quality Assurance aspects of this team. >>>> Also I don't see real dedication and vision to get rid of bugs and produce >>>> something stable and usable. It looks like there is more effort in >>>> bringing us bling. >>>> I think bling is something that can be created by the community itself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > The problem is some features the community really longs for are already in the code but all disabled (and they will stay disabled) because the leader/design department decides that the community does not need them. You can't enable them without forking and building your own application. And that is the problem. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
As it seems they have the contrary. They have a leader which seems to dictate everything without accepting ideas from the developers or the community. Dimitri wrote: > It's hard to argue with your points, since the phone STILL can't connect to > the internet *out-of-the-box*. > > (Who wants to manually hack a dozen files, or install some guy's > half-working gui posted on some blog that requires google-translate to > read?) > > Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were previously > worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in desperate > need of fixing, is beyond me. > > Is it a lack of leadership? For this aggressive undertaking to be > successful, it needs at least one person to prioritize, delegate, and lead > the other developers. > > Is there such a person at Openmoko? If not, that's the problem. Having a > team of developers, without clear leadership, is akin to herding cats :) > > D > > > ted braak wrote: > >> I have real doubts about the some Quality Assurance aspects of this team. >> Also I don't see real dedication and vision to get rid of bugs and produce >> something stable and usable. It looks like there is more effort in >> bringing us bling. >> I think bling is something that can be created by the community itself. >> >> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
would you mind posting a photo? Cédric Berger wrote: > It is quite exactly the visible size of the screen. Very slightly smaller. > > It is easy to apply : spray it, apply and adjust (it slips), get > bubbles away with the tool from the invisible shield pack and let > dry... > > I sprayed quite a lot (too much ?), and water (well the solution in > the spray) is then wiped out to the edges. Take it away before it gets > into the body and the electronic components. > > I think I have some really little bubbles at one point (I would need a > magnifier to check...). But I really didn't struggle when applying. > Manual indicates some micro bubble should go away after 2-3 days. > > What took me the more time is cleaning my screen before applying. > Didn't want to protect dirt and smudges. > > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 14:16, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I have installed my (screen only) invisible shield. >>> >> how big is it? fits exactly the visible part of the screen? or does it >> match the real screen size? >> and how easy to apply (bubbles and so)? >> >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wifi
For me udhcpc only fails the first time it is run to get the correct data If you run it immediatly after the first try it succeeds. Tommi Kärkkäinen wrote: > Stephen Shelton kirjoitti: > > >> Most specifically, I keep getting messages such as "ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]" >> which would lead me to believe the kernel is unhappy... >> > > Even more specifically, is the message "ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: > Operation not supported"? I get that too, but it doesn't prevent me from > using my WPA-PSK WLAN. Something else is... :) > > It seems random when I can connect and when I can't. It seems DHCP > occasionally fails to give the config. At times, however, I am able to > connect and use the wifi, and even then I am getting the ioctl message. > > I hope this was at least of some help to you. > > > Tommi > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wifi
I do get nameresolution only sometimes although resolv.conf lists the correct nameserver. You have to try a few ifup eth0 and ifdown eth0 and it has proven helpful to run commands more than once (e.g. ping www.openmoko.org 2-3 times after each other) Bastian Feder wrote: > Hi, > I also managed to connect to WPA2 and open hotspots. But do not get a > nameresolution. I will work on that tonight ... perhabs I find the > problem. > Any idea on your side? Do you get nameresolution? > > hf > Bastian > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Matthew Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Stephen Shelton wrote: >> >>> I've been beating my head against the wall trying to get my FR to connect >>> to any >>> secured wireless AP. It has no trouble connecting if there is no >>> encryption, but >>> I've had no luck otherwise. >>> >>> If anyone has had a better experience than me, perhaps you could take a >>> look at >>> the "GTA02 WLAN" page on the wiki >>> (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN) and >>> contribute or clean up. >>> >>> Most specifically, I keep getting messages such as "ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]" >>> which would lead me to believe the kernel is unhappy... >>> >>> Much thanks to anyone who might contribute... >>> >>> >> I've spent a great deal of time messing with WIFI also. Once I get some >> more experience with the OM platform, I might contribute to building a >> gui network manager. >> >> I also get that error message when starting udhcpc. All the tricks lie >> in your wpa_supplicant.conf file located in /etc/wpa_supplicant/. There >> are a few [poorly] written syntax tutorials to create this >> wpa_supplicant, but once you get the swing of it, it's not too bad. >> What kind of network are you attempting to connect to? I haven't >> figured out how to connect to my university's PEAP network yet, but I >> have gotten WPA2 & Open networks to connect successfully. >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
I can give confirmation too. Without microSD card I got a fix in 53s. With the microSD card I neither got a fix nor even got a single satellite to show up although I tried it at different locations (even on the highest point nearby with hardly any buildings and good weather conditions) thomasg wrote: > Hi ppl, > > I write this to community, not to devel or owners because everyone should > know: > *sbeh*, one of the people in #neo1973-germany IRC-channel found the reason > for the GPS problems. > The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matter if it's > mounted or in use, it just has to sit in the socket. > The TTFF went from no fix at all to TTFF 120 seconds indoor(!!!), and about > 40 seconds outdoor. > Two other people could verify this with about the same results. > We'll do more tests later, but for now we surely know what's causing the > problem (and it seems to be a EMC problem). > > First results show at the same devices, even outdoor, that there is no fix > in over 400 seconds with SD card, the signal seems to be at least 10 to 20 > dB worse (so bad, that most satellites don't even appear). > > Testresults from other people appreciated. > > thomasg > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MokSec - The Security Framework
It would be more important to not run everything as root I think Yorick Moko wrote: > This mail was posted on the devel list > (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003594.html). > Thought it would interest a lot of people who are not subscribed to > that list: > > > Hi Guys, > > a few months ago we have planned to improve the security of our beloved > Neo, after we have read about desires of the community regarding to the > security issue. > > And here we are. Today I will present you our project MokSec. > > What is MokSec? > === > > MokSec is framework which target is to improve the security of the mobile > devices which are based on OpenMoko (and other frameworks which are running on > Neos) > > What is our main focus at the moment? > = > > The main focus is the encryption over GSM. This is very complicated issue and > for this we searching developer which are willing to work with us on this > interesting project. > > What are the other components? > == > > At the moment we only working on a phone firewall, which will be > blocking/accepting incoming calls. Later one we will add other projects or > developer will be able to add their projects. > > Were you can find more informations? > > > http://moksec.networld.to : The main page > http://moko.networld.to : The git repositories > http://networld.to/mailman/listinfo/moksec-public : The mailinglist > > We hope that a lot of people will work with us on the security issue. > > Happy programming > > Alex Oberhauser > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
Be happy I have never got a fix up to now although trying on different locations for >45min each. I'll consider to use my waranty. Russell Sears wrote: > I'm in the san francisco bay area, and am seeing very slow GPS fixes. > It took 5 minutes to get the time code from the satellite this morning > (didn't get a fix in 12 minutes...), and I've only gotten a fix once so > far (after > 10 minutes...), and it's failed to get a fix during a few > ~10 minutes walks outdoors. I've been carrying the phone screen up, > away from my body, away from buildings taller than a story or two... > > Anyway, if you still haven't duplicated the problem, let me know. > > Also, I'm getting a bit of GSM data noise on my speaker during phone > calls. Is that normal, or is it unexpected signal leakage? I plan to > retest GPS with the GSM (and all other radios) disabled. > > -Rusty > > steve wrote: > >> Well, >> >>Sean is sick in bed from taking Malaria shots since he is traveling to >> Ghana to speak. I have been >>Busy at the wharehouse and Wolfgang is aware of your issue and we have >> folks on it trying to duplicate >>the issue and figure it out. Sean, for example, has had no issues in TPE, >> west coast USA, east coast USA, >>and columbia with his phone. So, after we duplicate the problem then we >> can figure the cause. Software, >>component failure, test leakage. >> >>On the inside of your phone there is a datecode, serial number etc. >> Email that to wolfgang >> >> Steve >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Marcus Bauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:05 AM >> To: List for Openmoko community discussion >> Cc: Sean Moss-Pultz; Wolfgang Spraul; steve >> Subject: Re: GPS >> >> On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 18:24 +0200, Mathias Ballner wrote: >> >>> hi all, >>> today i tried to get the gps running, but i didn't get a gps fix i >>> tested it with tangogps (nice tool!) and openmoko-agpsui the only >>> output i got was: >>> >>> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6d11990f0c82d92f0252742d7ef44950.png >>> what do i do wrong? >>> mathias >>> >> It seems nobody gets a quick fix. Times range from 10 to 60 minutes if any >> fix at all. There is a similar thread running on the developer list but no >> answers from Openmoko. Normal for a cold start would be 45secs-2min and with >> agps ~15secs. This is industry standard and stated on the specs page of >> u-blox. The GTA01 (Neo 1973) gets a fix in one minute after a cold start. >> >> All modern chips (and the u-blox is a modern chip) can get a fix without >> downloading the full almanac (which takes 12.5 minutes). The ephemeris is >> sufficient and comes in 30secs. >> >> I think this is an important issue and hope that Sean or Wolfgang can give >> answers. I CC'd Steve too, because this equally effects the VAR markets. >> >> If they don't answer it is probably the best to send your FR back before the >> warrenty expires and buy a new FR once this issue is resolved. >> >> Marcus >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there any truth to the rumor
Jon Pomeroy schrieb: > http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/openmoko-neo-freerunner-available-for-order-july-4-shipping-jul/ > > Inquiring geek minds want to know... :) > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > yes i get mine today or tomorrow depending on how fast the post is ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > And does this mean, even if i had a confirmation in mid of april that i will > bi informed as one of the first, > there is no Freerunner from Pulster for me before 25th of july :-(((. > Marketing driven promises? > > > > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > if he told you that you are one of the first then you'll get it as early as possible i think because he told me the same and as for now, my freerunner is already on the way to me ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?
Afaik all the freerunners which came to Europe with the first shipment are selled out. Jay Vaughan schrieb: > Hi all, > > I've just tried to place an order for one Freerunner with Pulster.eu, > and discovered there aren't any left? So where do I buy one from in > Europe? > > Alternatively, I think I can do a 10-pack deal .. between my workplace > (THALES) and the playground (MetaLab.at), I for sure can come up with > 9 other interested parties. How do I do this? Please advise. > > ; > -- > Jay Vaughan > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
Freerunner 299€ Headset 9€ Bag 19€ summa summarum 237€ Cheaper than trisoft (which doesn't ship the bag and the headset at all) and golden delicious which offer it for 350€ If one does not need it noone is forced to buy it e009052 schrieb: > I wanted to order mine too, but it looks as if the 299 eur does not > include the bag and headset as for > other shops (trisoft, handheld linux). And I thought that were gifts > from openmoko. > > Do I really have to order them separately? And which price? > > Ed. > > 2008/6/27 Bumbl <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>: > > Christoph Pulster schrieb: > >> what about the german distributors subscribed to this list > >> any news on freerunners received? > >> > > > > We start sales 07/05/2008 (5.July) and accept orders now. > > Price 299 eur incl. VAT. A cheap price means more owners. > > That's what the community needs. > > > > Christoph > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > Ordered mine too > with bag and headphones > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
Christoph Pulster schrieb: >> what about the german distributors subscribed to this list >> any news on freerunners received? >> > > We start sales 07/05/2008 (5.July) and accept orders now. > Price 299 eur incl. VAT. A cheap price means more owners. > That's what the community needs. > > Christoph > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > Ordered mine too with bag and headphones ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
would it, in theory, be possible to emulate a 2nd sim-card which was inserted and saved on the flash memory before and switch between it and the inserted one? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
