Re: Daily Snapshot Review - 20 Feb 2008
Found a show stopper for the Feb 20 Image Invalid Magic While Ipkg install gllin_1.0+r350-r0_fic-gta01.ipk ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Bluetooth HID service
As it would seem Bluetooth HID as a service is not implemented at this time. I found some code to do this, but Im not so good at porting code. If someone would be willing to cross compile this that would be great. http://anselm.hoffmeister.be/computer/hidclient/hidclient.c ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for assistance: Need a wiki page for buying and selling GTA01
My GTA01 will be for sale soon, I know there is no official date for the GTA02 but if i can get an unofficial answer from an official source on if it looks good or bad for march, same for April. This will dictate when my Neo gets listed Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/19/08 6:42 PM Yes, that too. I agree that this would be a completely appropriate item to post to the community list. I'm suggesting the wiki page in addition, and I think having your eBay listing listed on the wiki suggests that you are a member of the community, and not some random outsider (although hard to imagine any of them having a Neo :-) Ortwin Regel wrote: Wiki pages are nice but they are not really a good way to push info to people as you would like to do if you have just put your phone on ebay for sale. If I decided to sell my phone, I'd probably send a message to the community mailing list. Is this wanted or would anyone be annoyed by it? I'm not really sure but it would probably be the most effective way to find a buyer for your phone. Ortwin On 2/19/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone for your feedback. As a number of you pointed out, there is no security in a contact you've made via a random web page, while eBay has a whole system in place to provide exactly the needed security. I think it makes perfect sense to use eBay. However, I propose we use our wiki page to point at such eBay listings, in case anyone has difficulty finding them on eBay. So, I propose we re-purpose our wiki page to indicate eBay listings, perhaps sorted simply into BUYING and SELLING. Sound like a plan? I thank you all for your input. Michael Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi Community, I need your help. Having completely sold out of GTA01, we are still getting a large number of requests for them. On the other hand, many of you intend to purchase a GTA02 and perhaps feel you have no use for your GTA01. Some of you might have other reasons to sell your GTA01. I'd like a wiki page to allow these buyers and sellers to find each other. We have a wiki page for GTA01 owners who lived in 850 MHz-only areas to sell their units; perhaps this page can be repurposed for this broader issue. Perhaps we call this the OpenMoko flea market. Anyone? Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Act as HIDD and more
Yes I know how to use a HID just need to know how to set the Neo into HID mode(e.g act as a Input Device) kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/18/08 1:17 PM On Monday 18 February 2008 18:54:17 Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Feb 18, 2008 10:31 AM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want my Neo to act as HIDD, I *think* the command is hidd --server but i get an error: Address in use, any ideas. I haven't tried it on the phone yet, but last night I bought the Apple BT keyboard and got it working for my MythTV box. hcitool scan to discover the keyboard and get its BT address; then hidd --connect BTADDR at which point pairing begins. You make up a PIN, type it on the keyboard (e.g. enter) then you should see the BT PIN prompt pop up on your computer (or phone) and you type the same PIN there. It's a little clumsy, I wish BlueZ would auto-pair in the case that the PIN is . At least it's only necessary once. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PS3 Logitech Wireless Keyboard and Moko
Michael, I added to the list on the bluetooth Wiki,I really dig this KB because the maouse pad works, The only thing is Either ALT+CTL+F1-F9 does not call the kernel to spawn a new terminal or the F keys have no effect in OM. This would be usefull because I cant figure out how to kill the new Alpha-num keyboard thing, and the CTL+ALT+Backspace does kill the Xserver but all the processes are piped there and is really annoying . Any help would be great, just being able to remove the KB app would be great(Not matchbox-keybaord). More to come, I *Think* i can use the Neo w/ a ps3 , but ill find out. Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/18/08 6:55 PM Hi Christopher, This is valuable information. I'm pretty sure a wiki page exists for identifying hardware that is compatible with OpenMoko. Can you find that page and add this item? This is particularly interesting to me because I need such a keyboard. Thanks, Michael Christopher Earl wrote: I bought a PS3 wireless keyboard, this BTKB has a mouse pad and buttons, its a full qwerty keyboard. This Works Great with the GTA01, the mouse pad even works, only issue is that it has a timeout that causes moko to disconnect , which i will fix with a script. just thought I would let everyone know --KrisAbsinthe on irc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS, a new gps mapping software for the Neo: Installation fails, needs libgps16.
apt-get install gpsd Audrius Meskauskas [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/17/08 6:09 AM #!/bin/sh killall ld-linux.so.2 The installation fails with the message: ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for tangoGPS: libgps16 (= 2.34) Any ideas where this library is and how to get it? I have the gllin installed and working (we work on a GPS Sight), and I tried to put the shell scripts that were given in the first message of this thread. Audrius Meskauskas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS, a new gps mapping software for the Neo: Installation fails, needs libgps16.
Ha Ha Yup, guess you can tell who uses Debian Tim Knapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/17/08 5:22 PM On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 16:08 -0500, Christopher Earl wrote: apt-get install gpsd Don't you mean ipkg install gpsd :) -Tim Audrius Meskauskas [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/17/08 6:09 AM #!/bin/sh killall ld-linux.so.2 The installation fails with the message: ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for tangoGPS: libgps16 (= 2.34) Any ideas where this library is and how to get it? I have the gllin installed and working (we work on a GPS Sight), and I tried to put the shell scripts that were given in the first message of this thread. Audrius Meskauskas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
PS3 Logitech Wireless Keyboard and Moko
I bought a PS3 wireless keyboard, this BTKB has a mouse pad and buttons, its a full qwerty keyboard. This Works Great with the GTA01, the mouse pad even works, only issue is that it has a timeout that causes moko to disconnect , which i will fix with a script. just thought I would let everyone know --KrisAbsinthe on irc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can't power on my neo1973
Ian, There is a good possibility that your neo is in deep discharge. Plug it into the USB port and let it charge a couple hours, then try and boot it, dont press the power before at least an hour, if you have pressed the power button, remove the battery for 5 seconds and replace it, charge at least an hour before booting up. If this is not the problem I do not know. ian chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/15/08 11:10 PM hello~ I have the problem that sometimes I can not power on my neo1973. I use the usb to charge it, but it seems no response that I could not make sure the charging works. Even after usb-charging about 20 mins, sometimes I still can not power on it. Is it broken? what problem does my openmoko have? thx Ian ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Interview with Raider Realm
Michael, Thank you for your response, I truly appreciate it. No problem about the modification. I just wanted to know whether to ever expect such a thing. Ill be happy to use my GTA02 when I get one. One again thank you for your response. Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/12/08 5:10 PM Hi Christopher, and the entire community, Christopher Earl wrote: I read the Raiders Realm interview with Michael Shiloh Here is the excerpt I will am talking about RR: So is all of the hardware you have for this FCC certified and ready to use on different networks? MS: Yup. Absolutely. Now it is a GSM based phone, both models, which means they both use a sim card and the GSM network which is pretty common here in the states, but much more common in the rest of the world. But there are some areas in the states that don't have coverage for that. But that's pretty small. In fact, I think it's virtually negligible. My question is of the 'Negligibility' of this issue. I do not know . nor do I claim to know, the number of GTA01s sold in the united states, and the ratio of those phones which found homes in GSM 850 areas. Nor, sadly, do I. I should not have used this expression. I had thought that most of the USA is covered by other frequencies, but I really don't know the facts, so I should not have made such a claim. I apologize, and stand corrected. I would like to request a confirmation that this issue is being seriously addressed. I have sent three separate emails this month and not one person can tell me if I will EVER be able to send my GTA01 in for repair. I will cover the cost of shipping. Unfortunately I was one of the sorry bastards to get my device before this was a known issue. Im not asking for anything for free, nor do I wish to cause anyone a hassle. I only wish that the apparent few of us whom live in a GSM 850 Dominate state can get their devices repaired, at our shipping cost. If the answer is I dont know,maybe in a few months or somthing like that, fine. I just want to know IF I can count on OpenMoko/FIC to rectify this issue now or in the future. I apologize for the lack of a response. I did receive your email and due to limited resources have simply not been able to respond until now. Regarding the issue of support for the 850MHz band on GTA01, I had tried to make this extremely clear in the original post and in the followup discussion. I apologize if I failed in this regard. We are not able to make the necessary changes to any of the shipped GTA01 units. For those of you who have the skills and equipment, we are not able to instruct you in making such a modification yourselves. Sincerely, Michael Shiloh ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Interview with Raider Realm
The GSM 850 is the issue I am addressing Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/12/08 3:22 PM It sounds like Michael was talking about GSM in general. The area not covered by that indeed does seem negligible in the US. You have got a different issue. From what I picked up, it is not reasonably possible to change the hardware in a GTA01 to support the 850 Mhz band. The best option you have is probably to sell your GTA01 and get a GTA02 that supports 850 Mhz when they become available. Ortwin On 2/12/08, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read the Raiders Realm interview with Michael Shiloh Here is the excerpt I will am talking about RR: So is all of the hardware you have for this FCC certified and ready to use on different networks? MS: Yup. Absolutely. Now it is a GSM based phone, both models, which means they both use a sim card and the GSM network which is pretty common here in the states, but much more common in the rest of the world. But there are some areas in the states that don't have coverage for that. But that's pretty small. In fact, I think it's virtually negligible. My question is of the 'Negligibility' of this issue. I do not know . nor do I claim to know, the number of GTA01s sold in the united states, and the ratio of those phones which found homes in GSM 850 areas. I would like to request a confirmation that this issue is being seriously addressed. I have sent three separate emails this month and not one person can tell me if I will EVER be able to send my GTA01 in for repair. I will cover the cost of shipping. Unfortunately I was one of the sorry bastards to get my device before this was a known issue. Im not asking for anything for free, nor do I wish to cause anyone a hassle. I only wish that the apparent few of us whom live in a GSM 850 Dominate state can get their devices repaired, at our shipping cost. If the answer is I dont know,maybe in a few months or somthing like that, fine. I just want to know IF I can count on OpenMoko/FIC to rectify this issue now or in the future. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Interview with Raider Realm
I read the Raiders Realm interview with Michael Shiloh Here is the excerpt I will am talking about RR: So is all of the hardware you have for this FCC certified and ready to use on different networks? MS: Yup. Absolutely. Now it is a GSM based phone, both models, which means they both use a sim card and the GSM network which is pretty common here in the states, but much more common in the rest of the world. But there are some areas in the states that don't have coverage for that. But that's pretty small. In fact, I think it's virtually negligible. My question is of the 'Negligibility' of this issue. I do not know . nor do I claim to know, the number of GTA01s sold in the united states, and the ratio of those phones which found homes in GSM 850 areas. I would like to request a confirmation that this issue is being seriously addressed. I have sent three separate emails this month and not one person can tell me if I will EVER be able to send my GTA01 in for repair. I will cover the cost of shipping. Unfortunately I was one of the sorry bastards to get my device before this was a known issue. Im not asking for anything for free, nor do I wish to cause anyone a hassle. I only wish that the apparent few of us whom live in a GSM 850 Dominate state can get their devices repaired, at our shipping cost. If the answer is I dont know,maybe in a few months or somthing like that, fine. I just want to know IF I can count on OpenMoko/FIC to rectify this issue now or in the future. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: solar power addition(Did not answer the questions)
A 0.8x1.6 cell delivers 0.3 amps @0.55 VDC if you do the math, ~10 would be needed for the right voltage. Obviously some control is needed. IF this was made the remaining voltage could be used to power the device while not consuming much power from the battery. This could add a significant amount of life to the battery, IF this was manufactured I would buy one. It could be user installable by shimming the battery(SpeedEvil's idea) * Efficient, 0.8x1.6 (2.4cm) cell * Delivers about 0.3-amps at 0.55VDC in full sunlight Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/09/08 10:01 PM Andy (or anyone else), if the whole back of the Neo would be a solar panel, and you would put it back side up into direct sunlight, say for 5 hours, how much could that charge the battery? Could you operate the phone without a battery (and without USB) power if you were standing in sunlight? Just curious, thanks for any answers, Wolfgang ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko at Southern California Linux Expo: Come visit, or better, volunteer to help us at our booth for free admittance
I was wondering if OM wanted to try and set up something for HOPE(Hackers On Planet Earth) in July, I am going and would be happy to help. Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/08/08 3:08 AM :-) Someday there will be a conference in Ohio :-) I'll look forward to meeting you there or elswhere, Christopher. Michael Christopher Earl wrote: Michael,. I swaer to god I would be there if i didnt live in Ohio, you get me to LA and ill go LOL Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/06/08 5:19 PM I should point out that these are full access passes, entitling you to attend all events at the conference. Michael Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, Sorry for the late notice: OpenMoko will have a booth at the Southern California Linux Expo, taking place this weekend in LA: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/ Please come and introduce yourselves; I always like to meet our community and put faces to the email. I would especially appreciate your help at our booth. Since only one of us is coming (me), even watching the booth for 10 minutes to give me a chance to grab something to eat would be much appreciated. If you respond today you will receive a pass to the show. We won't have anything to give away at this event, but I hope to get T-shirts and/or stickers soon, and your help at the our booth will be appropriately recognized. If you can help out please reply to me today so that I can get you a free pass. Email me directly: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We will also have a Birds of a Feather session, which will be an especially good opportunity to meet other OpenMoko-ers, to ask questions, and to exchange ideas. I'll bring some of the prototypes of GTA02 with me. Our BoF session is scheduled for Sunday evening at 6 pm. I look forward to seeing you. Regards, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA01 sound
anyone know where I can cut the Microphone Gain? If its in the alsamixer whats the label?? Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/08/08 10:11 AM Jonathan Spooner writes: So you want to patent any unique tech in the neo to prevent some scum from patenting your ideas then taking openmoko to court? Then just do it! Its in everyones interest not to see openmoko taken down so I'd imagine anyone here with an ounce of sense would not have a bad word to say about that. Its really that simple, is it not? No, it's not. Simply releasing information publicly establishes prior art that prevents patenting by others (well, valid patents). The idea here is to set up an ability to defend against other companies with valid patents that are inadvertently infringed: whoops, didn't realize, sorry. Say, if you want royalties from us, let's have a chat about our patent X which you're infringing while we're at it... Patenting ideas and joining the Patent Commons seems like a really good way of establishing that you're simply trying to protect yourself in today's reality, not trying to profit by the broken system. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: proprietary firmware
I think he had the right intentions about this idea, however it would require vast CPU resources or a coprocessor dedicated to firware/driver layer managment. This is unlikley to happen, However trying to unlock the virtual lips of companies would be a huge step forward. Not to play devils advocate but if the firmware was loaded into RAM at boot a simple RAM dump would allow reverse engineering of the data, and thus the device,So im OK with that. Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/08/08 10:08 AM On Friday 08 February 2008 08:46, Lally Singh wrote: On Feb 7, 2008 8:32 PM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He suggested we treat any chipset with proprietary firmware as a black- box, a circuit. He suggested we ignore the firmware inside. If the firmware is buggy and the vendor needs the ability to update the firmware, we instead ask the vendor to reduce the firmware to the bare minimum, so that it can be very simple and bug free, and move the rest of the logic into the GPL'ed driver running on the main CPU. This way we completely avoid the issue of distributing proprietary firmware updates and binary firmware updaters with restrictive licensing that load only cryptographically signed firmware. While I see the benefits here, it seems that we're sacrificing CPU time, power usage, and lowered utilization of other devices on the phone to get over a license issue -- a technical resolution to a legal problem. I have to agree here. This is a low powered (CPU) device that contains chips designed to perform specific tasks. Why on earth would anyone think that making the cpu handle those tasks be a good idea? Apple can manage to allow their users to update the baseband on the iPhone so why can't FIC on the neo? Seriously, I want a phone that works properly more than I want one that dies during a call because the cpu is maxed out doing stuff that the chips in the same device should be doing.. Rome wasn't built in a day and you're not going to change manufacturers overnight either. In the meantime we have to be flexible. Mr Stallman appears to live in a land where every device has infinite resources - some would say it's called 'LaLa' Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WiP: dfu-util for Windows
When you port Dfu-util to windows keep all the switches the same(not that i thought you would change them) and I can write the UI this weekend, It will call on dfu-util, so any changes to dfu can be easily applied to the UI without the need to recode anything, let me know the name of your project and ill join (krisabsinthe/chris earl) if you want me to do the UI. Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/07/08 7:41 AM The Shonko Kid wrote: --- Torsten Schlabach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides that, couldn't you upload your Win32 binary (.exe) as well? Sure I can, I'm not entirely sure where to put it though... I think that would make a nice interim solution until we collectively figured out how to make the build work. That was my intention when I got it working, but it wasn't immediately obvious where I should upload it to :-) just put it on projects.openmoko.org kind regards -- Joachim Steiger developer relations/support ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Patents and OpenMoko
Forgot to add this link. This will outline the American procedure for patenting. http://www.inventionpatent.net/patent/process.cfm Steven Milburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/07/08 5:35 PM As a first step, get anything you think is patent worthy documented and dated. In the US, a common practice is to write up your concept and mail it to yourself in a sealed envelope. You don't open the envelope until you need to and you do it with a lawyer present. The postmark on the envelope holds up very strongly to prove the date of the material. --Steve ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I dont know why I was supprised
www.openmoko.com Today I noticed a change that OM has released their CAD files for the case of the GTA01, This opens a major door to Case modding. I guess im used to closed hardware and tight-liped companies, but i was supprised. I will never again own a closed phone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA01 Case specs
I agree that the GTA02 case specs would/will be nice, without wifi the GTA01 is less usefull but some of the implications are usefull; building a BT gamepad/KB into the case turning the device into a ROM player is a good suggestion, as stated on the wiki. I will be looking into the cost of having a few different designs made. Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/06/08 9:53 AM On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:59:01 -0500, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.openmoko.com Today I noticed a change that OM has released their CAD files for the case of the GTA01, This opens a major door to Case modding. I guess im used to closed hardware and tight-liped companies, but i was supprised. I will never again own a closed phone. It has already been discussed with Mickael on this list. The new part of this, is the communication around. According to Michael, gta02 case is not yet published, therefore I guess there is some differences, but the question is : what is the usefulness with this publication if there is difference between gta01 case and gta02 case ? I mean, the wanted case for someone who want to make alternatives cases would be the gta02 one. Anyway, this publication, which in and of itslef is a great news for consumers, is a good way for openmoko.com, showing again to the whole market an alternative way of business. -- Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More about the GTA02
I said very slightly Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/06/08 11:57 AM So what is it that is different from the old spec? Is it just the 850 mhz version? Christopher Earl wrote: the specs have changed (very slightly) * Atheros 802.11 b/g WiFi * Samsung S3C2442 B54 SoC @ 400Mhz * SMedia Glamo3362 Graphics Accelerator * 2x ST 3D Accelerometers * 256MB Flash * 128MB SDRAM * 2MB NOR Flash * 1200mAh Battery * 2 LEDs illuminating the two buttons. * u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS * Bluetooth * 850/1800/1900 Mhz or 900/1800/1900 Mhz for GSM/GPRS * USB Host function with power So anyone in NorthAmerica (mainly the states) needs to add that they want the 850/1800/1900 GSM bands, I dont have a clue about how thats going to work ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS, a new gps mapping software for the Neo
Marcus, Where is the config located , stupid new unstable OM image has a new OSKB with no slashes Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/05/08 4:53 AM On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 08:58 +0100, jan korinek wrote: Very good!!! fast and working. Is there a way to predownload some maps in some radius? GPRS is expensive :) I will come up with a collection of regional tgz-files and a script for downloading. For now you can simply zoom and drag the map around, tangogps will store all map tiles for offline use. Be default it saves maps to /tmp but you can change that in the config. I use /media/card/maps/osm. Note: don't add a trailing slash on the path, there is a bug which makes tangogps crash on that. Marcus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA02 Wiki update/ GTA02 ordering thought
I found this update on the GTA02 wiki and thought I would share it. GTA02v5 design finalized - DONE GTA02v5 small number produced for OpenMoko internal developer evaluation - Done (around 20) GTA02v5 thorough evaluation by OpenMoko internal developers - In progress Also, I think it would be prudent to put an Unofficial ordering page, to get a good idea of who within the community will be buying GTA02, maybe we can give FIC/OM a good idea of how many units will be needed. I,for one,will be buying a GTA02. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
More about the GTA02
the specs have changed (very slightly) * Atheros 802.11 b/g WiFi * Samsung S3C2442 B54 SoC @ 400Mhz * SMedia Glamo3362 Graphics Accelerator * 2x ST 3D Accelerometers * 256MB Flash * 128MB SDRAM * 2MB NOR Flash * 1200mAh Battery * 2 LEDs illuminating the two buttons. * u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS * Bluetooth * 850/1800/1900 Mhz or 900/1800/1900 Mhz for GSM/GPRS * USB Host function with power So anyone in NorthAmerica (mainly the states) needs to add that they want the 850/1800/1900 GSM bands, I dont have a clue about how thats going to work ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where to find latest ...
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/05/08 9:13 AM Qtopia download images and the latest OpenMoko images ? Thx ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how to enable usb host mode?
Add a powered Hub, and there you go, also somewhere on the Wiki is how to Mod the GTA01 to add Bus power Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/05/08 11:21 AM On ti, 2008-02-05 at 16:01 +, JW wrote: if you are talking about GTA01 then there is no host mode (I believe). Bzzt, there is, though it is unpowered (and therefore nonstandard as-is), requiring power to be fed from the side via eg. a three-pronged cable (or the device not to care about seeing power on the bus, which might be rare). -- Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Helsinki ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More about the GTA02
Thats whats listed in the WiKi Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/05/08 5:08 PM 1200mAh battery? Is it a mistake?! It use to be 1700mAh! I think 1200mAh is too few for 400 mhz CPU, wi-fi and everything... 2008/2/5, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: the specs have changed (very slightly) * Atheros 802.11 b/g WiFi * Samsung S3C2442 B54 SoC @ 400Mhz * SMedia Glamo3362 Graphics Accelerator * 2x ST 3D Accelerometers * 256MB Flash * 128MB SDRAM * 2MB NOR Flash * 1200mAh Battery * 2 LEDs illuminating the two buttons. * u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS * Bluetooth * 850/1800/1900 Mhz or 900/1800/1900 Mhz for GSM/GPRS * USB Host function with power So anyone in NorthAmerica (mainly the states) needs to add that they want the 850/1800/1900 GSM bands, I dont have a clue about how thats going to work ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More about the GTA02
Maybe a typo in the GTA02 hardware wiki, here is the link http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/05/08 8:04 PM The wiki history showes that Feb, 3rd it still was 1700mAh. Can anybody from OpenMoko confirm whether it is correct? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS, a new gps mapping software for the Neo
May i suggest a button to A) stop trails and b) always auto center/follow. Good work though Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/04/08 8:00 AM Marcus Bauer wrote: Quick answer: on a N810 you are happier with maemo-mapper, on the Neo with tangogps. You have more buttons on the N810 and a landscape screen, whereas the Neo uses portrait-mode. tangogps was designed to be fast and to be usable without hardware buttons. Neo can use portrait or landscape. There's a menu item for it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK RAD
Thanks a ton! and in this shell i would type make blah blah I have a few apps to develop after im done with the Desktop 'Syncing' app. john [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/01/08 10:48 AM Yes, you could have a simple shell script to setup your cross compilation toolchain. For example I use: #!/bin/bash . /etc/profile export OM=/home/john/moko export PATH=$OM/build/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin:$PATH export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$OM/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/pkgconfig echo Type exit to leave cross compilation environment. /bin/bash On 01/02/2008, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope someone here can be of assistance. I want to develop apps for OM without using qemu or xoo or any of the other convoluted methods for application development. is there any easy way of developing apps on my desktop and compile it for OM, i was hoping that it would be simple gcc switches but I honestly have no idea. What is the easiest method used for application development. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTK RAD
Hope someone here can be of assistance. I want to develop apps for OM without using qemu or xoo or any of the other convoluted methods for application development. is there any easy way of developing apps on my desktop and compile it for OM, i was hoping that it would be simple gcc switches but I honestly have no idea. What is the easiest method used for application development. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK RAD
Sweet thanks. Mark Arvidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/01/08 11:23 AM I found the toolchain to be very easy to use. Unzip the .bz2 file, run 'source /usr/local/openmoko/arm/setup-env' and you are set. I keep my neo connected during development and ssh -X to it. That way, I can scp the built binary over and run the program on my desktop monitor but use the neo device processor and environment. If you are writing appd that should work on your gnome desktop (i.e. no gps or gsm), you can ./configure the Makefile for your local desktop during developme, then om-conf when you sre ready to test on the device. On 2/1/08, john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you could have a simple shell script to setup your cross compilation toolchain. For example I use: #!/bin/bash . /etc/profile export OM=/home/john/moko export PATH=$OM/build/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin:$PATH export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$OM/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/pkgconfig echo Type exit to leave cross compilation environment. /bin/bash On 01/02/2008, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope someone here can be of assistance. I want to develop apps for OM without using qemu or xoo or any of the other convoluted methods for application development. is there any easy way of developing apps on my desktop and compile it for OM, i was hoping that it would be simple gcc switches but I honestly have no idea. What is the easiest method used for application development. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Basic questions about openmoko
to transfer files to the device use scp file [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/location ian chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/01/08 12:32 PM Hello~ I have two simple questions about Openmoko develop. Is it correct to transfer our projects ( like GPS ) from PC to Openmoko by dfu ? and how? scp? and should I flash kernel and fs of the device each time when I build up a new project on it? thx a lot Ian ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any OS X developers out there working with OpenMoko?
Porting all the Linux stuff to OSX should be pretty easy afterall , OSX is just a Unix clone too Peter Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/01/08 7:00 PM I'm in a very similar situation as described below. Although I think the situation just got a lot more complicated with Nokia's acquisition of Trolltech (might see a greater push for Qtopia on a lot more devices). Not to mention over here in Australia the iPhone still has yet to be launched. I'm very curious about the openmoko development (hence my reading/subscribing to this list), and am biding my time before I get a new phone to replace my ~5yr old SE T68i. Peter On Jan 25, 2008 9:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is my impression wrong or have you all already bought an iPodTouch or iPhone and waits for the SDK? Please raise your hands... Nikolaus (hns) (Hand is raised.) Guilty as charged. As I have mentioned before, the iPhone is a Golden Form Factor device. I think of it more as a Quarter Tablet Personal Computer than as a phone these days. Then why do I stay subscribed to the OpenMoko list you ask? I dream. I dream of the day that some company will realise that I (and about 6 billion other guys) are willing to pay many hundreds of dollars for a device that: ...duplicates the iPhone's form factor, screen resolution, control layout and other basic features and functionality. ...duplicates or betters the iPhone's battery performance. ...has an integrated non-slip silicone jacketed case. ...has and integrated GPS receiver, or comes with a Bluetooth remote one. ...supports an IR or Bluetooth portable keyboard. ...has an integrated Picture Frame type angle stand that will let you sit the device on a flat surface in portrait or landscape mode securely. ...runs open software like OpenMoko. Sorry, but FreeRunner does not come close to hitting this mark. Hopefully, FIC has secretly squirreled dozens of engineers away in bomb proof caverns deep inside the mighty Swiss alps who are feverishly slaving away on thier iPhone killer at this very moment and are mere minutes away from stunning the whole world with their amazing achievement. Or maybe not. So I continue to dream my dreamy little dreams. Alan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Moko Bluetooth
A BT control center would be great, that is needed for sure Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/31/08 7:18 PM doh there does need to be a conrol panel for neo for pairing sorry, being lazy. a control panel is needed just for openmoko. :) -- Brad ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA01 Modified Handset
Ok everone, I got the Handset today and GSM 850 WORKS! Audio sounds good and Test call was a success. I will be sending the phone off to its next stop soon. Thanks to Michael Shiloh for arranging the test and i hope this leads to good things for the 850Mhz band ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I'm back with my neo.. where to begin?
I like the unstable OM images from 1/27/08 if your not in a GSM 800 area this should work for you andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/08 4:19 PM -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Guys, I don't want to start a whole I've just bought a neo - what do I do thread.. so I'm going to keep this short. Can someone give me a brief overview about the best way to get my neo up and running. I've had a look at the qTopia release and a fairly recent openmoko image. Can someone provide me with a pairing of either openmoko/qtopia kernel and rootfs images which go well together and will give me a good base for further development. Interesting note on the qtopia image I tried.. they'd receive texts, but not *appear* to register on the network/allow calls. All academic as this is the openmoko list though. Regards, andylockran -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHnkb3auMjEM4rxIQRAqo0AKC/nKBN1qUPk1GxXAzmHMsHeEwqVQCeLyIi UHQz8IcmdYZDlRjBnkeM2pA= =+6/s -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
you can do calls with asterisk, its just all console for now the command is 'console dial [EMAIL PROTECTED]' and it is also a server Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 11:47 AM On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
may as well just wait for the asterisk GUI cause OM uses GTK not QT so it would require some serious editing, however the serverless idea is good Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 12:00 PM the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. On Jan 30, 2008 5:47 PM, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
My only concern is i am not aware of qt lib port to OM yet, If you know of one please let me know i would be interested for sure. Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 12:21 PM yes, but it is not about serverless or any instant messenger, it is the only way, to have **secure** VOIPs. as well users do not need a telephone call, they can to the calls with VOIP over a data internet flat rate from the mobile phone. Voip is not in yet, and then it would be in with QT gui, no one wants to make a GTK gui as this is a lot of work, though for the small display a gui change is anyway needed, so maybe a Gtk would not be much work. Anyway, it is work and the project has no resources for OM. So other IMs and solutions will come, but they are not as safe as an asym, encrypted PGP line. So you need to ask for the goals, you want just IM or Just VOIP? then choose anything.. if you want secure VOIP, then go the way for an adjusted gui for the PGP-Messenger with soon Voip... and as it is not in, but the launch of OM is soon, ... if someone gets the flu, then use Qt still, as this might be quicker done... and Voip can be added later as an update... On Jan 30, 2008 6:06 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may as well just wait for the asterisk GUI cause OM uses GTK not QT so it would require some serious editing, however the serverless idea is good Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 12:00 PM the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. On Jan 30, 2008 5:47 PM, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?
the GTA02 will provide 5v at 100mA on the USB Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 1:27 PM Jeff Andros wrote: On Jan 30, 2008 6:07 AM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This is a usual question. Although you could configure the USB port in host mode. It would be unpowered. snip Regards Tilman I haven't heard anything about it for a while, but IIRC freerunner is supposed to have a powered USB port You could be right. But i did not find any proof on the wiki. But to be honest, i thought i heard that too some time... Tilman ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 Modified Handset
Upgrading the Memory is not a problem, just pop in a bigger microSD upgrading the NAND would be totaly different and not serve much of a purpose, you can use the ipkg that lets you install apps directly on the SD and link the libs and stuff, there is a wiki that will help you do this. about the provider, i guess it depends on what features you want, however, there are not many GSM providers in the states, in my area I only have T-mobile and ATT Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 10:12 PM Any recommendations on sim vendors in the states for use with these phones? I'd like something that'd auto-bill me like a regular phone plan, without getting ripped off on rates/data/etc. Well, more ripped off than I am right now. A man's gotta have standards. On a completely different random topic, any ideas how hard it'd be to upgrade the memory on these things? Say a gig? On Jan 30, 2008 9:11 AM, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's great. I really hope those handsets are available at the same time as the 900 band phones. On Jan 28, 2008 8:03 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok everone, I got the Handset today and GSM 850 WORKS! Audio sounds good and Test call was a success. I will be sending the phone off to its next stop soon. Thanks to Michael Shiloh for arranging the test and i hope this leads to good things for the 850Mhz band ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 Modified Handset
The 64MB of NAND flash aka 'on board Flash 'is just for the Kernel and Root File system, although the Root FS could be loaded onto the MicroSD card; which is located under the SIM slot, i believe that up to 4GIG is available on MicroSD. The GTA01 ships with a 512MB card. so all in all you get 64MB + 512MB , at this time i assure you that 512MB is plenty for OpenMoko and Applications, if you wanted to utilize the device as a MP3 player I would suggest purchasing the biggest MicroSD card you can find. The 128MB of SDRAM is system memory, like your PC has.It is not used for 'Storage'. OM has done a great deal of work to keep their applications small, and they have done a good job at it. Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 11:36 PM Oh, the 128 is onboard storage. What *is* the onboard CPU RAM on this thing? Is it just what's built onboard the CPU? On Jan 30, 2008 11:27 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoops, I meant RAM (128 mb on the current unit). Yeah, I was afraid it was just the two. At least t-mob's been good to me in the past. On Jan 30, 2008 10:48 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upgrading the Memory is not a problem, just pop in a bigger microSD upgrading the NAND would be totaly different and not serve much of a purpose, you can use the ipkg that lets you install apps directly on the SD and link the libs and stuff, there is a wiki that will help you do this. about the provider, i guess it depends on what features you want, however, there are not many GSM providers in the states, in my area I only have T-mobile and ATT Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 10:12 PM Any recommendations on sim vendors in the states for use with these phones? I'd like something that'd auto-bill me like a regular phone plan, without getting ripped off on rates/data/etc. Well, more ripped off than I am right now. A man's gotta have standards. On a completely different random topic, any ideas how hard it'd be to upgrade the memory on these things? Say a gig? On Jan 30, 2008 9:11 AM, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's great. I really hope those handsets are available at the same time as the 900 band phones. On Jan 28, 2008 8:03 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok everone, I got the Handset today and GSM 850 WORKS! Audio sounds good and Test call was a success. I will be sending the phone off to its next stop soon. Thanks to Michael Shiloh for arranging the test and i hope this leads to good things for the 850Mhz band ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
