Very high capacity battery for GTA02
Hi Has any one experience with or suggestions for a very high capacity battery for the GTA02? I want to use the device as a remote tracking device and with good power management and high capacity battery want to deliver 3 weeks life. Thanks -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo as usb host and providing power to attached device
Supercool, I will check this out. -- - Eric Smith Timo Juhani Lindfors said: Eric Smith e...@fruitcom.com writes: /sys/devices/platform/s3c-ohci/usb_host:usb_host1 /sys/devices/platform/s3c-ohci/usb_mode /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-sdi/mmc_host:mmc1 Thanks for advice on how to set the neo to provide power over usb. The /sys paths change with kernel versions. I personally don't think it is a good idea for users to try to directly access them. If you install the omhacks package you can control usb power without having to remember direct /sys paths. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo as usb host and providing power to attached device - omhacks
I cannot find omhacks package in main andcannot (for some reason) add universe repository for armel. Could someone point to alocation where I could download the omhacks package manually? (Usb networking sometimes provides internet access of the neo, sometimes not. Why is it so unpredictable.) -- - Eric Smith Timo Juhani Lindfors said: Eric Smith e...@fruitcom.com writes: /sys/devices/platform/s3c-ohci/usb_host:usb_host1 /sys/devices/platform/s3c-ohci/usb_mode /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-sdi/mmc_host:mmc1 Thanks for advice on how to set the neo to provide power over usb. The /sys paths change with kernel versions. I personally don't think it is a good idea for users to try to directly access them. If you install the omhacks package you can control usb power without having to remember direct /sys paths. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo as usb host and providing power to attached device - omhacks
I should have said, Timo. lenny with openhackable1. Just installed some binaries from anothger dist and have errors. Considering now squeeze binaries. What is the best thing to do in order to install omhacks? Upgrade to squeeze? -- - Eric Smith Timo Juhani Lindfors said: Eric Smith e...@fruitcom.com writes: I cannot find omhacks package in main andcannot (for some reason) add universe repository for armel. What distribution are you using? omhacks is in debian main (squeeze, wheezy and sid). -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo as usb host and providing power to attached device - omhacks
Thanks Timo I will ask openhackable1 guys on freenode. How would I stop the timeout on my device that breaks the usb connection with the pc. Its extremely frustrating having to tap the screen every few minutes to keep it alive - whoops there it goes again ... - Eric Smith Timo Juhani Lindfors said: Eric Smith e...@fruitcom.com writes: lenny with openhackable1. Just installed some binaries from anothger dist and have errors. Considering now squeeze binaries. What is the best thing to do in order to install omhacks? Upgrade to squeeze? You should be able to backport it to lenny if you really want to since it's just a C program. Can you ask the openhackable1 folks or do you have experience on debian packaging yourself? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo as usb host and providing power to attached device
Hi Using: Linux hackable1 2.6.29-rc3-hackable1 #2 PREEMPT Tue Sep 15 13:07:51 CEST 2009 armv4tl GNU/Linux I am following instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host So far this command seems to work: root@hackable1:~# echo host /sys/devices/platform/s3c-ohci/usb_mode In order to provide power to the attached device wiki article advises the following command: echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode But I cannot see any file called hostmode in /sys/devices/platform and FWIW; root@hackable1:~# find /sys/devices/platform/|egrep 'mode|host' /sys/devices/platform/s3c-ohci/usb_host:usb_host1 /sys/devices/platform/s3c-ohci/usb_mode /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-sdi/mmc_host:mmc1 Thanks for advice on how to set the neo to provide power over usb. -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Installing debian - kernel - internet access on phone
(Alioth up again, thanks Timo) Weird issue. I had no problem a few days ago with internet access on the the phone. Now I connect fine with the pc but cannot get access to the internet on the phone. Cannot think of anything that has changed, any ideaS? Connect with; sudo ip address add 192.168.0.200/24 dev eth2 sudo ip link set dev eth2 up ssh root@192.168.0.202 ifconfig on pc eth2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1f:11:01:0e:68 inet addr:192.168.0.200 Bcast:0.0.0.0 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::21f:11ff:fe01:e68/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:739 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:490 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:71970 (70.2 KiB) TX bytes:51814 (50.5 KiB) ifconfig on phone and route; usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1F:11:01:0E:67 inet addr:192.168.0.202 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:546 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:866 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:49326 (48.1 KiB) TX bytes:95962 (93.7 KiB) root@om-gta02 ~ # route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 usb0 default 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 UG8 00 usb0 -- - Eric Smith Eric Smith said: I also cannot find a kernel image either through the install or by googling. E: Unable to locate package linux-image-2.6.29-openmoko-gta02 Any ideas short of compiling? -- - Eric Smith Eric Smith said: Has anyone recently successfully installed debian on the gta02? I am getting errors that I think are all related to retrieve errors. And are there any other FSO mirrors as this one is not accessible, http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Installing debian - kernel - internet access on phone
Thanks Timo. Timo Juhani Lindfors said: 1) How about iptables -nvL iptables -nvL -t nat on the PC? eric@debian:~$ sudo iptables -nvL WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/libpisock9, it will be ignored in a future release. Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination eric@debian:~$ sudo iptables -nvL -t nat Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 2) And /etc/resolv.conf on the phone? root@om-gta02 ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 208.67.222.222 nameserver 208.67.220.220 3) Try ping -n 192.168.4.200 on the phone? root@om-gta02 ~ # ping -n 192.168.4.200 ping: invalid option -- 'n' BusyBox v1.18.4 (2011-05-19 22:07:46 CEST) multi-call binary. Usage: ping [OPTIONS] HOST Send ICMP ECHO_REQUEST packets to network hosts Options: -4,-6 Force IP or IPv6 name resolution -c CNT Send only CNT pings -s SIZE Send SIZE data bytes in packets (default:56) -I IFACE/IP Use interface or IP address as source -W SEC Seconds to wait for the first response (default:10) (after all -c CNT packets are sent) -w SEC Seconds until ping exits (default:infinite) (can exit earlier with -c CNT) -q Quiet, only displays output at start and when finished root@om-gta02 ~ # ping 192.168.4.200 PING 192.168.4.200 (192.168.4.200): 56 data bytes tick tock ^C --- 192.168.4.200 ping statistics --- 106 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss oot@om-gta02 ~ # ping 192.168.0.200 PING 192.168.0.200 (192.168.0.200): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.0.200: seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.000 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.200: seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.000 ms ^C ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Installing debian - kernel - internet access on phone
Thanks Timo eric@htpc7:~$ sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -o net -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.4.0/24 eric@htpc7:~$ sudo -i htpc7:~# echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward htpc7:~# htpc7:~# sudo iptables -nvL -t nat Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT 3 packets, 748 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT 3 packets, 176 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 0 0 MASQUERADE all -- * net 192.168.4.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 3 packets, 176 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination htpc7:~# ping 192.168.4.202 PING 192.168.4.202 (192.168.4.202) 56(84) bytes of data. ^C --- 192.168.4.202 ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4015ms -- - Eric Smith Timo Juhani Lindfors said: Eric Smith e...@fruitcom.com writes: eric@debian:~$ sudo iptables -nvL -t nat Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination This shows that there is no NAT. Your phone can't talk to the outside world using its private 192.168.4.202 address. You need to setup NAT that translates packets between public and private address. Something like iptables -A POSTROUTING -o net -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.4.0/24 echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward should work assuming that your upstream interface is called net like here. Yours might be eth0? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Installing debian - fso and tasks routine fails
All install phases proceeded without error until the fso routine which failed with this error: root@om-gta02 ~ # sh -x debme + HOSTNAME=neo SD_SWAP_SIZE=512 INST_MIRROR=ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ FSO_MIRROR=http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian VERBOSE=1 QI=true QI_VERBOSE_BOOT=true ZHONE=true time ./install.sh fso I: Invoking stage fso I: Installing freesmartphone.org software I: /proc is already mounted in chroot * core packages I: invoke-rc.d is already diverted - was previous install interrupted? Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: xserver-xorg-input-tslib : Depends: xorg-input-abi-11 but it is not installable E: Broken packages Command exited with non-zero status 100 And the tasks routine also fails like this; HOSTNAME=neo SD_SWAP_SIZE=512 INST_MIRROR=ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ FSO_MIRROR=http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian VERBOSE=1 QI=true QI_VERBOSE_BOOT=true ZHONE=true TASKS=COM,GPS,NET, WIFI,UTILS ./install.sh tasks I: Invoking stage tasks I: Performing selected tasks: COM,GPS,NET,WIFI,UTILS I: /proc is already mounted in chroot * task: COM Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: zhone : Depends: python-ecore but it is not going to be installed Depends: python-edje but it is not going to be installed Depends: python-evas but it is not going to be installed Depends: libevas-svn-06-engines-x but it is not installable Depends: zhone-illume-glue but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages kernel is cool; Setting up linux-image-2.6.29-openmoko-gta02 (20100313.git973a41fc-1) ... I: Kernel installed Prepare system for booting with Qi I: Installing kernel package - done I: Done with stage kernel Thanks for any help. -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Installing debian
Has anyone recently successfully installed debian on the gta02? I am getting errors that I think are all related to retrieve errors. And are there any other FSO mirrors as this one is not accessible, http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Measuring signal strength on SHR
Hi How can I test the signal strength in dB (and ASU) on SHR? -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Installing debian - kernel
I also cannot find a kernel image either through the install or by googling. E: Unable to locate package linux-image-2.6.29-openmoko-gta02 Any ideas short of compiling? -- - Eric Smith Eric Smith said: Has anyone recently successfully installed debian on the gta02? I am getting errors that I think are all related to retrieve errors. And are there any other FSO mirrors as this one is not accessible, http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner as a mobile gateway - shipping container
Thanks Al, Main application here is in a sea shipping container. The key issues are RF communication (when in a GSM range of course) and power management due to the long haul journey including journey overland. Power supply has to be in the form of an additional battery. Technical issue is to have minimal size OS and to be low in power consumption. And robust. All ideas welcome. Thanks -- - Eric Smith Al Johnson said: On Tuesday 17 May 2011, Eric Smith wrote: Hi I am considering using the Freerunner as a mobile gateway to track GPS on a vehicle and to receive data from wireless sensors in the vehicle and send the sensor data and GPS data through GPRS. We may need to plug a customised wireless device into the freerunner usb. An external GSM and GPS antenna will be used. The device will have to run reliably and be robust for 8 to 12 weeks, so that means a customised battery. Power use efficiency means putting keeping the device in low-power consumption mode for most of the time and waking every 30 minutes (say) for polling and transmitting. Has anyone implemented such a solution or has ideas about feasibility? Nobody has talked about doing this IIRC, but it certainly sounds feasible. External power can be supplied via the usb y-cable arrangement, so shouldn't be a problem. atd-over-fso will let you wake from suspend to do what you want on an interval. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner as a mobile gateway
Hi I am considering using the Freerunner as a mobile gateway to track GPS on a vehicle and to receive data from wireless sensors in the vehicle and send the sensor data and GPS data through GPRS. We may need to plug a customised wireless device into the freerunner usb. An external GSM and GPS antenna will be used. The device will have to run reliably and be robust for 8 to 12 weeks, so that means a customised battery. Power use efficiency means putting keeping the device in low-power consumption mode for most of the time and waking every 30 minutes (say) for polling and transmitting. Has anyone implemented such a solution or has ideas about feasibility? -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian installed, uImage.bin not recognised
Thanks Timo What parameters did you give to install.sh? In particular, which boot loader are you using and how is it configured? TASKS=ALL QI=true SD_SWAP_SIZE=128 DASH_BINSH=false ./install.sh all anyways I think this is the command I issued on the single occasion that the install process completed. Qi bootloader not configured and just flashed as per the manual. I do not understand why the Debian maintainers did not create a static respository istead of linking to unstable that is a moving target. I will give this another try when I have some more time. Any suggestions on how to get a standard debian installed on sdcard most welcome. The UI does not interest me, I want to install a JRE and som proprietory software that runs on the JVM. Thanks. Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which Java JRE? (dusting off this thred)
Is anyone using a JRE on the freerunner? Please advice what is possible and available. Thanks a lot. -- - Eric Smith Rafael Campos said: Hello, On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com wrote: Bernd Prunster wrote: Martin Jansa wrote: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 03:06:35PM +, Arigead wrote: Hello all, I'm working on a project and I think it'd be cool as to show off the project's work on a phone. The OpenMoko phone ;-) Unfortunately the project is implemented in Java, which I'm no fan of on anything but a web server or browser but that's a discussion for another day. I tried our system, which is running in an OSGi Container, on Jamvm on the OpenMoko. It works but it sucks up 95% of the CPU when it's idle. Not Good! I tried the same on my eeePC and with Sun's JRE our system uses 1% of CPU whilst JamVM on the eeePC uses 40%. Obviously JamVM does not suit our system. No idea if it would be better, but have you tried cacao? Its in shr-feeds now again. This is really weird! I wrtoe one more or less serious app in java for the freerunner and a couple of test apps and jamvm had avery fast startup, but was not as compatible as cacao, but easier to use and did not require that much ressources. which distro are you using? which feed are you using to install jamvm (dunno if still true but there used to be a difference depending on where you installed it from). Sorry I've been a bit busy on stuff and only now catching up here on the list. I'm using the latest classpath 0.98 and Jamvm 1.5.3 I can't remember the specifics at the moment but there was some feature of Java 6 that our system's code was using which required JamVM 1.5.3 which in turn required Classpath 0.98. I just used a OE recipe for those and build them for the OpenMoko. I tried the Cacao JRE on my eeePC and it soaked up resources as well so I never even bothered to build it for the phone. Obviously something in our Java System, mabe knophlerfish is not streamlined in these JRE's. There is a Huge difference in running our system in a SUN JRE (1% CPU According top) and other Jre's I'm working now on the eeePC to see can I reduce this 40% on Jamvm. When I get time actually I'm now trying to connect to an AdHoc wifi network form the FreeRunner. Thanks for the clarification on the ARM front. I don't think Sun have a JRE for an ARM 4, no surprise really ;-) Things would be too easy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I think that OpenJDK has some JRE machines running on ARM. It's no receipe in OE yet, but i tested a GUI in a OE machine and worked fine. I didn't test the load of the CPU, but i could tell that some JREs are working. I hope to post some of this in OE repos, and get a OpenJava JRE machine :) -- ___ Rafael Campos o0 Methril 0o http://openblog.methril.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
debian installed, uImage.bin not recognised
Hi After about 90 minutes, the install.sh all command completed with request to reboot. No errors reported. On power on, it boots into the old Qtmoko. When I explicitly boot from microSD on the NOR screen, it flashes an error than uImage.bin not recognised - no kernel image By deafult the new boot partition is mounted when it boots into the Qtmoko and I get a listing neo:~# ls -lrt /media/card total 2216 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1509096 Aug 7 15:10 uImage.bin-2.6.29-20100313.git973a41fc -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 682681 Aug 7 15:10 System.map-2.6.29-20100313.git973a41fc -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 51778 Aug 7 15:12 config-2.6.29-20100313.git973a41fc drwx-- 2 root root 12288 Jan 29 19:01 lost+found lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 38 Jan 29 19:52 uImage.bin - uImage.bin-2.6.29-20100313.git973a41fc Which to me looks pretty healthy. The paritions on the SD are: neo:~# fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 2027 MB, 2027945984 bytes 4 heads, 16 sectors/track, 61888 cylinders Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 = 32768 bytes Disk identifier: 0xde50b0d4 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 2457832 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p2 246 61888 1972576 83 Linux And the last one seems to be fully poulated There is a warning on the http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner not to type reboot: but use the buttons which is what I did, but the manual on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian says the opposite. How do I get out of this problem and into the debian install. - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SIP Client
Hi I have not used my freerunnner much since I bought it soon after public launch due to battery issues. Recently flashed the latest unstable SHR and initially looked reliable and promising as a regular phone. But then I experienced missed calls and failure to dial. (perhaps I will try Qt Extended Improved to see if this works better as a regular phone) But I know there is a lot of new work on SHR and I hope that it allow me to have a reliable regular phone. Meanwhile, I want to use the freerunner as a WIFI connected SIP client. No need to make cellular calls or do *anything* else than VOIP. What is the advice on both the platform and application above it to reliably support WIFI and a sip client? I see linphone is mentioned in this forum. I do have a problem with batterys not charging well and discharging fast, maybe some distributions fix this? Thanks for suggestions. -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Using freerunner as a telephone
What is the best image and configuration to have freerunner making and receiving telephone calls. I am thinking maximum reliability and battery life. Kind of failsafe mode. Or am I on the wrong universe? -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty on phase 1 phones
Openmoko, A lot of people on the Group Order forum are asking about the warranty protection of individual buyers when we consolidate our orders. Is openmoko able to provide a solution where buyers may take advantage of the bulk discount and reduced shipping costs through Group Order and at the same time each individual enjoys an independent Warranty direct with Openmoko? -- - Eric Smith Sean Moss-Pultz said: On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 17:32 -0800, Pranav Desai wrote: Is there any warranty on phase 1 phones ? If the screen is bad, some input ports don't work, etc. what will be the process then ? Of course we'll have a warranty ;-) I'm not sure of the exact terms at this point. Probably something standard like 1 year. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts - unleash
Unleash your phone. Original Message Shawn Rutledge on Mon-16-Jul 07 8:24PM A consumer ad campaign is NOT the place to push the free as in beer vs free as in speech argument. The phrase free phone already means the opposite of what we want it to mean. It's done, finished, over. Move on. Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The Does-what-you-want-not-what the big corporations want. I don't know. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
