Anyone look at Always Innovating Super-Jumbo as basis for Android under SHR?

[Jason Kridner]

I've seen there has been some discussion on using Android on
Freerunner or Replicant on GTA04 phones [1]. There has even been some
success at running Android under QtMoko or SHR using chroot, but it
seems no one has looked at integrating it within the SHR build system.
I'm wondering if I'm wrong, because I think that the Always Innovating
Super-Jumbo release for BeagleBoard-xM [2] would make a good enough
example that could be reverse engineered and included within the SHR
builds. I'd really like to have my primary interface be SHR, but I
still want to be able to run Android applications.

I continue to evaluate putting an actual build of Android under
meta-android, but I think someone else would know much better how to
do this and it is pretty far down my priority list. Anyway, I'm
putting it out there that I'm looking into the challenge.

[1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td7561986
[2] http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Beagleboard

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Re: Money makes the world go round? Yes: new paid developer program for OpenPhoenux/Goldelico

[Jason Cawood]

Maybe not as a replacement for someones income, but I am very
interested in the competitive aspect of having bounties and completing
the tasks.  It's a lot like reputation points on the websites like
http://stackoverflow.com/  having actual money compensation is a great
incentive IMHO.

-Jason

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Dave  wrote:
> As a professional full time employed software developer (in
> Australia), I am on around 300AU a day, I can't see the incentive
> scheme working ... sorry
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Christophe Drevet
>  wrote:
>> 2012/7/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller :
>>> We did have that, but IMHO failed. To my surprise there were more offers
>>> for bounties (even free GTA04 boards) than developers willing to do
>>> something. Maybe a bounty of 50/100 bucks doesn't attract anyone these
>>> days?
>>
>> If 50/100 bucks doesn't attract anyone, maybe 500/1000 could. I
>> thought about using a reward offering page for each feature or bug
>> important for some people.
>> Do you have a bugtracker or something to track those ?
>> Maybe we could add a plugin for people to offer bounties on specific
>> tickets and for dev to see how much people want them fixed and what
>> they can earn by stepping in. Maybe I can help finding/writing such a
>> plugin (depending of the language used)
>>
>> Of course, that is just useful when we have some dev around. I,
>> myself, won't step in as I don't have much time, and enough skill to
>> work on GTA04 even if I had some money to buy one. Hardware/embedded
>> development is somewhat harder than just software development.
>>
>> Good luck with this project. And thank you for your work.
>>
>> --
>> Christophe.
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Re: upgrade my freerunner

[Jason Cawood]

Is gta04.org working for you guys?  When I try to go there I get a 504
error.
On Jun 6, 2012 11:29 PM, "Neil Jerram"  wrote:

> Jason Cawood  writes:
>
> > I heard a rumor that I could buy a faster processor or more memory from
> the
> > gta04?
>
> 'Tis true.  Please take a look at www.gta04.org.
>
>Neil
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Re: upgrade my freerunner

[Jason Cawood]

I heard a rumor that I could buy a faster processor or more memory from the
gta04? I've been using the fat and dirty build and just recently installed
android cupcake, but response time takes more than 2 seconds for each
action.

Jason
On Jun 6, 2012 9:08 PM, "Alishams Hassam"  wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jason Cawood wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any info on where I could purchase upgrades for my
>> freerunner?
>
>
> I'm unsure what you mean. What type of upgrades are you looking for?
>
>
>> I've been trying to use it as my daily, but have found
>> the response time is dreadfully slow.
>>
>> Understandable, however this is usually related to which 'distro' you're
> using. I have found QTmoko to be the fastest and SHR close behind. The
> older version of AoF (Android) is also reasonably fast. I've was using the
> FR as a daily phone for over three years. Which distro are you currently
> on?
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upgrade my freerunner

[Jason Cawood]

Does anyone have any info on where I could purchase upgrades for my
freerunner?  I've been trying to use it as my daily, but have found
the response time is dreadfully slow.

-Jason

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FreeRunner A6 Sale

[Jason Self]

I've been holding off on buying a FreeRunner until until it seemed
sufficiently problem-free to me.

$250 is a very appealing price. I just wanted to confirm my
understanding that the only difference between A6 and A7 is that a)
the buzz fix is applied and b) it has a newer GSM firmware (which I
can flash myself anyway, so not a big deal.)

If my understanding is correct, then it sounds like a great deal,
especially if I'm able to ship it to SDG Systems for them to apply fhe
fix for me.

http://sdgsystems.com/estore/cart.php?target=product&product_id=269&category_id=17

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Re: SF/CA BuzzFix Party (Was Re:US Buzz/GPS Fix)

[Jason Abele]

I am also in the SF Bay area (Menlo Park) and would gladly catch a
buzz fix party anywhere in the Bay Area.

Its awfully short notice and I don't have the parts or equipment on
hand to do the fix, but I will be at the SuperHappyDevHouse tomorrow
in Oakland:
http://superhappydevhouse.org/SuperHappyDevHouse32

But if someone wanted to show up with parts and soldering iron, I'll
have my Neo and play along.

Jason

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Steve " 'dillo" Okay (Roadknight
Mobility Labs)  wrote:
>>
>> From: Doug Jones 
>> Date: April 22, 2009 12:51:19 PM PDT
>> To: List for Openmoko community discussion > >
>> Subject: Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix
>> Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion 
>> > >
>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> I'm also in California.  If somebody threw a Buzz Fix party anywhere
>> in California, I would be there.  Isn't Openmoko in California too?
>> Fremont Buzz Fix Party, anyone?
>>
>>
>> I do have soldering experience, but not with such small parts.  (In
>> my day, everything was the size of a Buick.)  But I'm game.
>
> I'm San Francisco and would also show up for a CA BuzzFix Party if
> somebody threw one.
> For the SF Bay Area, I would suggest a couple places, both in San
> Francisco:
>
> NoiseBridge, a hackerspace that focuses on both hardware and software
> hacks in The Mission.
> PariSoma, a co-working space in SOMA that is the the SF/North Bay
> OpenMoko reselller and where I bought my FR from :)
>
> Steve
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[2008.8, FDOM] Addressbook entries

[Jason Cawood]

I have a question about how you guys are entering your contacts.  If I
receive a SMS the phone number reports +1555444 then when I receive a
call it reports the same number but missing the '+' 

It seems that these are looked up in the address book and reported as two
different phone numbers.  is anyone else seeing the same results and has
anyone remedied this?

I thought about adding both phone numbers to my address book, but I figured
I would check here before I started editing.




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Re: QtExtended 4.4.2 : GPRS

[Jason Cawood]

I tried gprs and only managed to cause kernel panic.  I gave up and went
back to 2008.09

>If your provider needs a proxy, many times you need to enter the same for
DNS and not opendns. Have not tried gprs on 4.4.2 yet. will try >tomorrow
and let you know. Rakshat

>>Oh, I know the details, but thanks anyway. I have been trying to
figure out if the reason for my inability to get data in or out >>through
gprs relates to a dns problem (I use opendns) or a routing issue, or
something entirely else. 


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Has anyone tried Qi?

[Jason Cawood]

Has anyone tried the new boot manager? or figured out how to install it?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi


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Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen

[Jason Cawood]

I like option 1 and agree the the screen should be more flush with the
border.

-Jason

On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 18:50 +0200, arne anka wrote:
> > 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
> > 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
> > 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
> 
> 4) 5-way-rocker switch (maybe with two softkeys left and right) -- palm pda
> 
> the only thing i miss right now (maybe someone figures out a hardware mod  
> to th freerunner -- internal usb or bluetooth? it could live where the  
> lanyard hole is)
> 
> 


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Anyone interested in mentoring?

[Jason Cawood]

I've owned my freerunner since july and have tinkered with it a lot trying
out everything you guys throw out there.  But I honestly don't know much
about what I am doing... I'm to the point where I'd love to actually submit
helpful bug reports and be able to SSH into my freerunner which I can't
figure out how to put all the steps together for it to work for me.  I
guess I know enough to get me in trouble, but I also know enough to undo
what I did to get out of trouble also.  What I am asking is for someone to
be willing to help me understand what I'm doing so that I can become
helpful instead of dangerous.  In the end, I would like to produce a better
how-to less technical than what is available now to help others get started
who are lost in technical data and instructions.

Jason Cawood


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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

[Jason Cawood]

I agree to this point.  I would rather wait a few months to have a rock
solid core functioning device than one that works now with something that
isn't going to be used long term.


> Vasco Névoa wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree with you partly; the main efforts should go into getting the
>> new framework out - *as long as it runs on a rock-solid core system*.
>> So I support the idea of accelerating the FSO integration... but in
>> the meantime people have to use the sucking Qtopia ware in their
>> everyday life, because there is no realistic alternative. FSO is still
>> very incomplete at the user level.
>>
>> Today, the "complete" system is not reliable and the reliable system
>> is not complete at all.
>>
>> If you fix the core and qtopia now, everybody gets a working phone,
>> and FSO gets a more reliable development core. You favor the users,
>> which are the noisier people. ;)
>> If you jump start FSO into main distro, there will still not exist a
>> complete system that can be used everyday. You favor the developers,
>> who could wait a little more (but not long!) and ARE ALSO USERS.
>>
>> So please just make it work solidly, and then integrate FSO. :)
>
> Well... I would rather let a bit more freedom to the team :
>
> if you (as in "the team which will make the iFoan obsolete") think that
> breaking useability or functionality or anything else could serve the
> cause : do it !
>
> Please decide your roadmap and make it public !
>
> I (personnally) don't care if I am not able to use my Neo as a phone (and
> anything else possible) for 2-3-4-5 months : I have a working phone. BUT,
> what I would like to know is _when_  I will get _what_ functionality.
>
> I you think that breaking the whole stuff for a moment will serve a
> precise
> goal, please do it !
>
> Regards,
>
> OdyX
> --
> Swisslinux.org − Le carrefour GNU/Linux en Suisse −
> http://www.swisslinux.org
>
>
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Re: LED notification

[Jason Cawood]

this is exactly what I was trying to get at.  I just couldn't find the
correct words to communicate this effectively.  

My reason is because if I suspend my phone then I walk away and return
to it, I have no visible notification I missed an event unless I touch
the screen and see if my phone is still suspended.  If I'm not
constantly touching the screen to make sure it's still suspended and I
did miss an event.  Then my power consumption just increased and my
battery life is quickly diminishing. 

On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 12:20 +0100, Andy Green wrote:
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> > 
> > Robert Norton wrote:
> > > 2008/10/9 Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >:
> > >> the main cpu is suspended, like in the neo, but the power
> > management unit is not
> > > I'm sure I recently read a datasheet for a PMU which supported various
> > > flash patterns for LEDs even during suspend. Unfortunately I can't
> > Not really a PMU but an i2c device for just doing that.  We might be
> > using one or another in future products
> > 
> > 
> > To me, having the phone able to perform basic notification functions
> > (LED blink, vibrate, make a sound) on certain events, even when the
> > phone is on standby, seems like a very desirable - not to say obvious -
> > feature.
> 
> Well you can simply wake and do "event" type actions like vibrate and
> flash LEDs then, the stimulus you are responding to like incoming call
> will be a CPU wake event so that lot will work.
> 
> What can't be done (because of a completely Linux-centric POV in the
> design) is anything while the CPU is off in suspend.  We can leave a LED
> on during suspend, but there is no intelligence to flash it or whatever.
> 
> So overall it's not quite as bad as it sounded I hope.
> 
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Re: LED notification

[Jason Cawood]

What I think I didn't communicate very well is: 

1. phone is in suspend mode.
2. GSM wakes phone for sms notification
3. screen blanks after timeout
4. LED blinks while phone is not in suspend.

Would that be a possible solution?

On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 23:51 +, zing wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:21:08 -0600, Jason Cawood wrote:
> 
> > Someone posted awhile back and asked about a blinking LED to notify
> 
> that was me :)
> 
> > missed call or message and someone responded with can't do it when the
> > phone is suspended.  In the current state, if you don't have your
> > setting to suspend automatically, wouldn't the phone wake up from
> > suspended mode to notify of an event?  and while in that state, couldn't
> > we make the LED blink?
> 
> My understanding was that blinking in suspend mode is no go (or at least 
> not exactly battery efficient because you'd need to wake/blink/suspend/
> wash/rinse/repeat), but brightness fully on during suspend was possible 
> (eating into your battery though also.) AIUI.
> 
> 
> 


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LED notification

[Jason Cawood]

Someone posted awhile back and asked about a blinking LED to notify missed
call or message and someone responded with can't do it when the phone is
suspended.  In the current state, if you don't have your setting to suspend
automatically, wouldn't the phone wake up from suspended mode to notify of
an event?  and while in that state, couldn't we make the LED blink?


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Volume on a phone call

[Jason Cawood]

on the 2008.9 distro, is there any way to turn up the microphone volume while 
on a call?  When I'm talking to someone they always tell me they can't hear me.

-Jason


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Suspend vs. Lock vs. Screen Off

[Jason Cawood]

I'm using the latest FDOM, I believe it's based on 2008.09.  My question is
what is the fundamental difference between pressing the power button to
cause the phone to suspend, pressing the aux button to make the phone lock
the screen and not pressing any buttons and letting the software timeout. 
Mainly, I'm interested in battery life and how each action reduces power
consumption. 


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Re: Om2008.8 comments and questions

[Jason Hooper]

i think "basic stuff" is subjective.

for example, i just need :

1. send / receive phone calls
2. send / receive text messaging
3. battery life

but obviously this wont be the same for everyone.

1. i think almost everyone can agree on. so the sim card debacle was
an interesting hurdle early.

2. doesnt work in 2008.8 reliably while in sleep. does this weird
thing where the phone wakes up. no sound. and no message in the inbox.
but it definitely senses something. eventually it does show up at some
random point in the future, but i just have to know that theres a
message in there.

3. is absolutely terrible. thought it would last at least a night in
suspend. but it doesnt. so it wont ever even get to the alarm cause
the phone is dead. the persistent lightning bolt is obviously a
problem, but thatll get fixed eventually

i agree with you on contacts to a degree, but i only need name =>
number really. you sound like you have a lot of business contacts with
emails and fax and postals.

..



On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Helmut Tessarek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Wolfgang,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
>> your priorities are our priorities _BUT_ it will still take quite a
>> while, yes.
>
> This is ok, as long as there is progress. The basic features should be really
> the only thing, development is doing right now. The sooner the basic stuff
> works, the sooner the community can enjoy the other fancy features.
>
>> We are not developing a proprietary system and have no interest in
>> doing so. Compatibility with Ubuntu and other distributions is very
>> important.
>
> Alright then. What format has the addressbook? A .vcf importer cannot be that
> hard to develop. It does not even have to be a GUI app.
>
>> I understand your frustration about importing contacts and alarms,
>> thanks for the reminder, and rest assured that these things are indeed
>> very high on our priority list, right after making phone calls and SMS.
>
> Nice to hear.
>
>> Keep us honest if things don't improve fast enough!
>
> I know that developing is a long process and that it takes some time before it
> is ready for GA, but I just had the feeling that the priorities drifted 
> away...
>
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Re: Which distribution to use on FR?

[Jason Uhlenkott]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 13:10:05 -0700, Katrin Tomanek wrote:
> Optically, I likes OM2007.2 best, however, it is awfully slow and constantly
> has a load > 2. Why is this? 

The load > 2 is due to this:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/003794.html

and is now fixed in stable.  It was just artificial inflation of the
load average though; the fix won't make the phone any faster.

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Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[Jason Uhlenkott]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:05:22 +0200, Marcus Bauer wrote:
> One interesting observation I made is that my FR has in the beginning
> often a GPS time offset 15 seconds into the future. It does so even if I
> feed the time by AGPS.
> 
> It takes 10-15 minutes until this is corrected by the chip.

Wild guess:  Maybe it's reporting raw GPS time, without leap second
correction.

I haven't observed this myself, but it's suspiciously close to the
current GPS-UTC offset of 14 seconds.

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FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Jason Self]

On Mon Apr 14 12:58:04 CEST 2008 Jay Vaughan wrote:
> But you still have to hack up a cable to make it work.  Thus, it
> should be included in the Freeruner, in my opinion ..

It is not necessary to modify a cable to fast charge the device. All
that is needed is something like [1] (which costs US$3) and the
software from [2] and you have fast charging without modifying a cable
or relying upon the folks from OpenMoko to get into the accessory
business.

The only thing that the the custom charger does is include a resistor
that provides GTA0x a way to recognize the charger so that it
automatically draws the full amount and [2] isn't needed.

Opening the accessory business is A Good Thing. Including a charger is
not necessary.


[1] http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11566
[2] http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/thunder/

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Jason Self]

On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:13 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well,
>
>My goal is to open the accessory business. Far too often companies take a
>  standard accessory product
>  And make minor changes that require the customer  to go back to them for
>  replacements. So, we are pushing
>  EVERYTHING in the direction of being open. It's a culture change. Like
>  Opening the CAD files.
>  So, that is the direction I am working toward. Open Engineering. Open
>  Marketing. Open Sales.
>
>  These culture changes take time. But from Sean on down we are committed to
>  move forward with them.
>
>  Steve

Openness is good. After checking out the wiki[1], it seem that fast
charging can be performed without the need for a custom charger, so I
personally am fine with leaving it out. My powered USB hub can supply
the needed 500mA to fast charge while at home, and an AC adapter to do
the same when away from home can be purchased online cheaply.

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger

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Re: Smart LCD birght/dim...

[Jason Self]

On Apr 11, 2008, at 5:50 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



What do you think about them?


With the absence of a hardware sensor, I think this is a good starting  
point.

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Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

[Jason Joines]

Michael Shiloh wrote:

Hi,

GSM Firmware update:
We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all 
parties, and all that remains is to get everything signed. Apparently 
the process of getting things signed takes a few weeks!


850MHz experiment:
As mentioned before we're looking into offering an 850MHz variant of the 
triband GTA02.


Since the GSM section is essentially the same between GTA01 and GTA02, 
we thought a good experiment would be to modify a couple GTA01 handsets 
for 850MHz and to test them out here in the USA. I just received these 
handsets on Friday and am now trying to figure out how to thoroughly 
test them. Rather than me traveling around the country, it might make 
sense to ship them to various users to test them with different 
carriers.  Please write to me if you are in an 850MHz area and are 
interested in participating.


Wifi driver:
We're making very good progress, but it's still not finished.

GTA02 hardware:
Still waiting for the Wifi driver to verify the Wifi hardware, but so 
far we're feeling quite good about this part. There are a couple of 
other things to verify, and as mentioned before we will most likely make 
another revision of the board, which will hopefully be the 
production-ready revision.


Regards,
Michael





Is there any possibility of a future hardware version becoming quad 
band?



Jason
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Re: need a compatible provider in central U.S.

[Jason Joines]

John Locke wrote:

We drove through Oklahoma a year ago, and we've had T-Mobile for several
years. That's one place my wife's quad-band phone worked, while my
tri-band (missing 850Mhz) didn't. In fact, I think that's where I
figured out the frequency issue, found the info page on each phone to
find out that my phone (a Motorola) didn't have 850.

Seems to me my phone got a signal in Okla. City and Tulsa, but pretty
much nowhere else in the state... 20 miles out of Tulsa I had no signal.

Cheers,
John

Jason Joines wrote:



It is pretty rural but the town I'm in has a population of about
50,000 and is halfway between two cities ( 60 miles to each ) with
metro areas over 1,000,000.  Maybe there's decent coverage here.
I found some old news (2003) about tmobile expanding their 1900
GHz coverage in Oklahoma, Texas and further west.  I contacted them to
let 'em know I was using the FIC Neo1973 and would buy a plan if they
had enough 1900 GHz coverage.  They're supposed to answer in 24 hours
or less so hopefully they'll have good coverage.







Maybe it's better now,  This map shows pretty good 1900 MHz coverage:
http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?x=16&y=11&z=3&cc=us&net=we


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Re: need a compatible provider in central U.S.

[Jason Joines]

Richard Reichenbacher wrote:

Jason Joines wrote:
I've been successfully avoiding owning a cell phone for many years 
but I can't avoid it any longer.  I plan to buy the GTA02a5 version of 
the Neo1973 as soon as it comes out.  For the moment I thought I would 
go ahead and get a plan and whatever freebie phone comes with it. 
Anyone know of decent carriers what will work with the Neo1973, I 
guess GSM, in north central Oklahoma in the U.S., particularly at 
longitude W97.1, latitude N36.1?  I've been Googling and reading on 
the different network types to figure out what GSM is and what the 
alternatives are and if the Neo will use anything else but I'm mainly 
more confused than when I started.  I am aware of the 850 MHz issue in 
North America so I hope that's not a show stopper for me.



Jason Joines
=



If north central Oklahoma is as rural as it sounds, unfortunately your 
chances of being able to use the neo are pretty slim.  A very high 
percentage of rural America uses the 850 band, whether it's tmobile or 
at&t/cingular.  If the area is more city like, then you might be able to 
get away with using tmobile, as they predominantly use the 1900 band.  I 
know there was a map posted a while back of what parts of the country 
use the 850 and what uses the 1900.  See if you can find that.


Good luck,
Richard




It is pretty rural but the town I'm in has a population of about 
50,000 and is halfway between two cities ( 60 miles to each ) with metro 
areas over 1,000,000.  Maybe there's decent coverage here.
I found some old news (2003) about tmobile expanding their 1900 GHz 
coverage in Oklahoma, Texas and further west.  I contacted them to let 
'em know I was using the FIC Neo1973 and would buy a plan if they had 
enough 1900 GHz coverage.  They're supposed to answer in 24 hours or 
less so hopefully they'll have good coverage.



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need a compatible provider in central U.S.

[Jason Joines]

I've been successfully avoiding owning a cell phone for many years 
but I can't avoid it any longer.  I plan to buy the GTA02a5 version of 
the Neo1973 as soon as it comes out.  For the moment I thought I would 
go ahead and get a plan and whatever freebie phone comes with it. 
Anyone know of decent carriers what will work with the Neo1973, I guess 
GSM, in north central Oklahoma in the U.S., particularly at longitude 
W97.1, latitude N36.1?  I've been Googling and reading on the different 
network types to figure out what GSM is and what the alternatives are 
and if the Neo will use anything else but I'm mainly more confused than 
when I started.  I am aware of the 850 MHz issue in North America so I 
hope that's not a show stopper for me.



Jason Joines
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Re: Power on device after being powered down

[Jason Elwell]

On Sunday 26 August 2007 19:18:16 wim delvaux wrote:
> I powered down my device a couple of days ago.
>
> I want to power it back on ... HOW 
>
> 1. press power button for several seconds ? NOPE
>
> 2. pull out battery and do step 1 ? NOPE
>
> 3. press aux + power ? NOPE
>
> 4. Try all of the above while plugged in into the USB ? NOPE
>
> ??
>
>
> W
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W,
It sounds like the device has lost it's charge.  Plug it into the the 
charginging cable at let it charge for 4+ hours and give it another try.  

Unlike many of the consumer devices you may be familiar with, the Neo1973 will 
NOT run from solely the USB cable if the battery has been drained.  To make 
things more frustrating, the device will only only charge in slow-mode when 
the device is in this state, you that is why you must plug it in for many 
hours.

Good luck!
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Re: buildhost site down?

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On Sunday 05 August 2007 04:15:01 Xamindar wrote:
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/
>
> That site appears down.  Has this happened before?  I was trying to
> download the files for the openmoko emulator but had no luck.
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I have a selection of stock rootfs images available for just such emergencies:

http://www.chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/

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Re: Neo Pouch

[Jason Elwell]

On Monday 30 July 2007 04:31:04 am Peter Trapp wrote:
> I found an interesting strip inside of the neoPouch. Last but not least we
> can fix our stylus there :)
>
>
> OT:
> My phone received at about 09:30 :) and I'm from Germany ...
>
> -homyx

Ohh wow. I didnt even notice that.  It is a perfect place to keep the stylus!


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Re: What happened to the order?

[Jason Elwell]

On Friday 27 July 2007 16:14:49 Asbjørn Sannes wrote:
> If I understood correctly orders within the U.S. was shipped first, and
> then international developers would get their phones..
>
> I have received three e-mails from openmoko: "AutoReply: OpenMoko direct
> order", "Your OpenMoko direct order" (which I replyed to YES_I_DO), and
> "Payment received: OpenMoko direct order".
>
> Since then I have heard nothing, but I can see from the "P1 Owners" page
> that other higher numbered rts, ordering the exact same thing (Advanced
> kit, B/S), to the exact same location (Oslo, Norway) have received
> shipping notifications.
>
> Anyone else experienced this? Is my order gone? Am I waiting for
> something that won't happen?
> Is there something that I should have done that I have not?
>
> Any pointers appreciated :)
>
> Greetings,
> Asbjørn Sannes
>
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AKAIK, if you ordered an Wht/Orange Neo, it was delayed until the second batch 
of 500.  Only Blk/Orange units are currently shipping. Not sure if that 
applies to any of you...

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Re: Broken Sim Card Reader?

[Jason Elwell]

Harry,
Have you tried re-seating the card?  Perhaps the contacts are not meeting up.

When I inserted mine, I slid the SIM into the metal piece while it was 
vertical, then closed it.  To lock the metal piece, you have to slide it a 
little.

Good luck.

Jason


On Thursday 26 July 2007 21:06:05 Harrison Metzger wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Thanks for the reply but it dosent work. Clicking that icon also crashes
> the bar. I have tried 3 different sim cards that all work in 3 other phones
> but on neo keeps tilling me that my sim card is not inserted (CME ERROR
> 10).
>
> Harry
>
> On 7/26/07, Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Harrison Metzger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Dear community,
> > >
> > > I received my neo today and have been playing around with it a bunch. I
> >
> > can
> >
> > > get any of the "phone" part of the phone to work. I have been playing
> >
> > around
> >
> > > with the GSM AT command set and issuing commands to the modem manually
> >
> > and
> >
> > > from the gsm tool. However I could not register it on the network. I
> >
> > looked
> >
> > > further into it and I when i do: AT+CNUM it returns CME ERROR 10, and I
> > > looked at what that meant in the the GSM proto manual and it means SIM
> >
> > card
> >
> > > not inserted. The sim card is inserted. Its an AT&T prepaid simcard. I
> >
> > have
> >
> > > tried it in other phones and it works, ive also tried other working sim
> > > cards (from ATT) in the neo and its a no go. I know the SIMs work, so I
> > > figure it is the neo. There was talk on IRC about 3.3v sims vs 5v, but
> > > I have no idea what to do with that. I'm stuck. I *dont* think I have a
> > > defective device, but I can't think of what else it would be.
> >
> > I just bought a T-Mobile (US) pay-as-you-go SIM (for hacking with
> > until I decide to switch the old 6630 over.)  Like the (ancient
> > *OMNIPOINT*) SIM in the other phone, it didn't work the first time.
> > Then I tapped the antenna icon with the stylus, got 3 choices - "power
> > on gsm antenna", "auto register with network", "power off gsm
> > antenna".
> >
> > I picked "power on gsm antenna"... and the whole icon bar crashed :-)
> >
> > Then I hard powercycled it (hold down power button until the screen
> > blanks, no menu comes up because that part is crashed) and when it
> > came up, it was talking to the network...
> >
> > I know that sounds mystical, but if the pattern works for you, then
> > maybe there's something worth diagnosing...
> >
> > Note: I'm using the rootfs posted earlier from
> >
> >
> > http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070
> >726000624.rootfs.jffs2
> >
> > I still haven't gotten sound out of it, but it does make and accept
> > calls.

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Re: whee!

[Jason Elwell]

Mark,
You will find out very soon that the rootfs image you used is badly broken.  
"gta01-20070704215706"  has a bug that causes gsmd to not respond.  The issue 
has been corrected in later builds.  You can either build it yourself, or I 
have made a recent recent build available at 
http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/ until buildhost can catch up.

-Jason


On Thursday 26 July 2007 12:44:12 Mark Eichin wrote:
> Oh, right, doesn't need the debug board (which I left at home) to just
> install a new root filesystem:
>
> % wget
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gt
>a01-20070704215706.rootfs.jffs2 % sudo ./src/host/dfu-util/src/dfu-util -a 5
> -R -D ./openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070704215706.rootfs.jffs2 dfu-util
> - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
> This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
>
> Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
> Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
> Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0
> Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request...
> Resetting USB...
> Opening USB Device...
> Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=6, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=5,
> name="rootfs" Claiming USB DFU Interface...
> Setting Alternate Setting ...
> Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
> dfuIDLE, continuing
> Transfer Size = 0x1000
> bytes_per_hash=645201
> Starting download: [##]
> finished! state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present
> Done!
> Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode
> %
>
> (back a the uboot menu, select boot, watch text scrolling for a while)
>
> "Welcome to OpenMoko!"
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Re: whee!

[Jason Elwell]

Cool. Glad to hear you got your device (and found a way to power it). 
Congrats!

-Jason


On Thursday 26 July 2007 12:17:52 Mark Eichin wrote:
> Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > They never do work on USB with no battery, it's just how the electronics
> > are designed.
>
> That's good to know.
>
> > Shame about the missing bits, this may be of interest however:
> >
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery
> >
> > "The battery is a one 3.7V (nominal) cell. It has internal protection
> > circuitry, and a capacity of 1200mAh.
> >
> > It is apparently compatible with the Nokia BL-5C See this mailing list
> > post These are available very inexpensively from ebay. Though quality
> > will of course vary. However, currently Neo1973 won't charge BL-5C
> > batteries."
>
> Hah, turns out that my Nokia 6630 uses the BL-5C as well, so I was
> able to boot it using one of those.  That'll be enough to do a
> firmware update, and get them to ship a replacement...
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Re: NOT _YOUR_ ORDER (was Re: [rt.internal.openmoko.org #1820] Order shipped:)

[Jason Elwell]

HEHE.  Too funny!
BTW, just to rub it in a little, not only did I get the shipment
confirmation, but the phone arrived today!

:)  Jason

On 7/25/07, Andy Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


argh...

thought this message was for my order =  please change the subject!  :)

hehe


Andy Loughran
www.zrmt.com
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- Original Message -
From: "Jason Elwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Sent: 25 July 2007 13:36:19 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: [rt.internal.openmoko.org #1820] Order shipped:

FIC just made my day!

Greetings,

This message has been automatically generated with regard to the
progress of your order at the OpenMoko online store
(http://direct.openmoko.com/).

Your order has been shipped!


-Jason

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[rt.internal.openmoko.org #1820] Order shipped:

[Jason Elwell]

FIC just made my day!

Greetings,

This message has been automatically generated with regard to the
progress of your order at the OpenMoko online store 
(http://direct.openmoko.com/).

Your order has been shipped!


-Jason

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PRESS: Hands-on with the OpenMoko Phone

[Jason Elwell]

http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/07/hands-on-with-t.html

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Re: I got charged ;) - me too

[Jason]

I just got charged also, #2085, Shipping: $8.56 USD to Canada, can't wait :D

Jay M

Mark wrote:

Me too, they've broke #2060.
UPS doesn't ship on Saturday so lets hope this means a big truck full
will be picked up on Monday.

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Re: Tally of Order ID's

[Jason Elwell]

I'm #1820.  And have received a payment confirmation.  It is my understanding 
that they have actually charged VERY few credit cards.

Note:  There is a page on the Wiki that details some order # info:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners

-Jason



On Friday 20 July 2007 17:33:42 Cosmo wrote:
> While we wait for our Neo's to arrive, maybe we could all whip-out our
> order ID #'s and compare them (you know...see who's got the biggest)
>
> I've got an 1870 I was quite proud of until recently.  While I did the
> YES_I_DO, I still haven't heard anything since then.  Nor has my card
> been charged.
>
> Anyone else?
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Re: purchase of openmoko

[Jason Elwell]

On Thursday 19 July 2007 17:44:44 Gerry Grainger wrote:
> hi folks. I've had a problem with the purchase of the GTA01 model: I paid
> for it pretty much as soon as the slashdot story broke, but haven't
> received even a confirmation email for it. Does this mean that the order
> didn't go through, or what?
>
> Cheers,
> Gerry.
>
>
> PS - i'm inordinately stoked about the possibilities of this thing, hence
> my consternation about it's non-shipping...

Hi Gerry,
This wiki page should answer your questions:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Direct.openmoko.com_order_process

With regard to the current status of things, essentially FIC has NOT charged 
most people's credit cards, and has NOT shipped any devices.  Hopefully FIC 
will start processing the orders and shipping devices in the very near 
future.

Regards,
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Payment Received

[Jason Elwell]

Awesome news!!!  FIC processed my credit card!

See screenshot:

http://www.chooseopen.com/PaymentReceived.png

Regards,
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Re: projects of interest?

[Jason Elwell]

On Wednesday 18 July 2007 11:34:52 Tom Russell wrote:
> I want to be able to script (in Python?) a simple app that, when I sit
> down at my desk @ work, turns the ringer to vibrate and sends any
> incoming call notifications to my Linux desktop for visual display or
> ringtones through my PC headphones.

I like the idea, but I see one potential problem.  AFAIK, the phone is not 
capable of using the GSM-Voice and the GPRS Modem at the same time.  This 
means that you could not make a GPRS connection to your desktop while a call 
is coming in (i think).
A work around may be to use bluetooth or wifi to communicate with your 
desktop.

Of course, there shouldnt be anything stopping you from doing a missed-call 
notification once the incoming call has passed.

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Re: Support for Left handers

[Jason Elwell]

Added section for a "left-handed mode" to the "UI Improvements" page.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/UI_Improvements#Left-handed_UI_Support

Regards,
Jason1


On Saturday 14 July 2007 13:21:33 Jae Stutzman wrote:
> On 7/14/07, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Adding left hand support shouldn't be too hard.  We would just add a
> > config option that is read by the ui library and then everyone that
> > uses the standard ui library would automatically have a left handed
> > application.  So the main question is what all do you want moved(I am
> > right handed)?
> >
> > The scroll bar is the obvious one, would you like the spinner thing
> > and the button on the bottom switch as well.  (seems like that would
> > be the best way to keep the scroll seperate).  Also what about the top
> > and bottom status bars and such.  I think someone should edit some of
> > the screen shots to how they would like a lefty screen to look and
> > post it somewhere in the wiki for discussion.
>
> I don't think the whole screen should be mirrored! There are some elements
> that should remain..like the main top bar with the status icons and such.
>
> Scrollbars are the main thing I can think of right now. I agree a wiki page
> should be added for left handed ui discussion.



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Re: Support for Left handers

[Jason Elwell]

I am left handed.  Considerations of this sort could be a great feature for 
the Neo.

-Jason



On Saturday 14 July 2007 07:18:10 Giles Jones wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm new here, I have an OpenMoko on order and hope to do some
> development. I'll contribute ideas and bug reports at the least.
>
>   I'm not sure I've ever used a touch screen mobile device that
> caters for left handed people. On the whole there aren't many issues
> with using devices left handed, so adding the support is easy.
>
> The main problem is scrollbars, when they're on the right dragging
> the scrollbar left handed results in your hand covering the screen so
> you can't see what you are doing. So having the option of scrollbars
> on the left would be useful.
>
> Ideally if you implement such features in the interface and not per
> application then it will all be transparent and less work will need
> to be done.
>
> Comments?
>
>
> Giles.
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A little bad press? "OpenMoko already facing difficulties?"

[Jason Elwell]

Found on LXer:

OpenMoko already facing difficulties?
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/89804/index.html

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Re: List problems, receiving multiple identical copies of each message

[Jason Elwell]

Ulrik,
No you are not the only one.  Other members of the list have fingered Gmail as 
the source of the problem.  It seems that any mail coming from that domain is 
getting duplicated.

-Jason



On Thursday 12 July 2007 21:30:24 Ulrik Rasmusen wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Just after I started receiving mails from the mailing list again, something
> weird happened. It seems like some messages are sent out 3-4 times over a
> period of up to 12-14 hours. They have the same timestamp and the same
> content, so they are completely identical.
>
> For instance, I recevied the message "modular open phone components"
> yesterday at 20:03, 20:12, 20:34, 21:12, 23:52, and then this morning at
> 01:43 (all times GMT)
>
> Am I the only one having this problem?
>
> --Ulrik
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Re: FeedBack

[Jason Elwell]

Mario,
AFAIK, nobody has received their phone yet.  We have been warned multiple 
times that we should not expect much from this first round of devices. That 
said, I would be willing to bet that as soon as the phones start shipping, 
you will see a bunch of updates.

-Jason

On Thursday 12 July 2007 12:31:46 Mario Costa wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is there any wiki page on recent users feedback ? I mean, what new
> users feel about
> using the phone, SMS, PIM apps, syncronization, backups, etc, etc, etc.
> It feels slow, fast, poor apps, can/can´t sync with linux desktop/laptop,
> etc ?
>
> Thanks
> MC



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Re: FeedBack

[Jason Elwell]

Not yet.  Nobody has received their "Shipment 1" devices.  As soon as we get 
our hands on them, I am sure you will be hearing more o nthis list and on the 
wiki.  
However, we have been told several times, that we should not expect much from 
the phone at this point.  I expect that the software will mature quickly, 
however.

-Jason


On Thursday 12 July 2007 12:31:46 Mario Costa wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is there any wiki page on recent users feedback ? I mean, what new
> users feel about
> using the phone, SMS, PIM apps, syncronization, backups, etc, etc, etc.
> It feels slow, fast, poor apps, can/can´t sync with linux desktop/laptop,
> etc ?
>
> Thanks
> MC



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Re: OPENMOKO.COM IS UP

[Jason Elwell]

Somebody on the IRC channel earlier was saying shipping is slated for the 
16th.
AFAIK, ship dates have not been confirmed by anyone from FIC/OpenMoko.

Last we heard, the phones were in customs as they were being air-mailed to 
California.  From there, they are supposed to be distributed.

-Jason



On Tuesday 10 July 2007 00:31:30 Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote:
> BTW, has anyone of you received confirmation (other than from RT) from
> OpenMoko that your request is being processed? I did not and neither
> are there any operations on my credit card from OpenMoko shop. I guess
> there are going to be some delays in shipping...
>
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Re: Openmoko site off-line?

[Jason Elwell]

Yep, it appears to be down.

On Monday 09 July 2007 00:04:29 ted braak wrote:
> Can't reach the site anymore.
>
> =
> Web performance and Traffic Monitoring
> Monitis provides complete performance monitoring service.
> http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=1af1a64bc172cd7d37b897e
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Re: adding data services with t.mobile for neo 1973

[Jason Elwell]

I have a "traditional" plan with Tmobile. I just added the $5.99 "T-MobileWeb" 
to my account in preparation for the arrival of my Neo.  It appears that this 
$5.99 service should be sufficient (instead the $29.99 "Total Internet" plan)  
as long as the Neo can play nice with it's proxy server and "email bridge".

Now I just need my Neo :)

-Jason




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>  > The one guideline you need to be aware of is that you CAN NOT get data
>  > GPRS or EDGE on a pay as you go plan (T-Mobile to go).  It has to be
>  > on a post paid monthly account.  To my knowledge and research, neither
>  > AT&T or T-Mobile will permit a data package on a pay as you go basis.
>
> It wouldn't be the first time their webpage was wrong, but the T-mobile
> page for pay-as-you-go (which I have) says you can add Internet access,
> which they call their "SideKick" feature, for $1/day.  I haven't tried it,
> and it certainly is more expensive than your $5.99/mo option.
>
> (just placed an order for a Neo1973 and looking forward to developing)
>
> -Jeff
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Re: Shop is open :)

[Jason Elwell]

Several people on the IRC are reporting the same thing.  
Maybe Sean could suggest whether or not you should re-submit your order.

Note:  Immediately after my successful order, I received a confirmation email.

-Jason

On Sunday 08 July 2007 15:07:46 Anton Afanasyev wrote:
> Any idea why after filling out the form and clicking Submit Data, I am
> simply redirected to a blank page? Waiting doesn't seem to help. Could
> be the increased load on the servers?
>
> Thanks
>
> On 7/8/07, Jason Elwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Shipping cost/options are displayed AFTER you fill out the first form.
> >
> > -Jason
> >
> > On Sunday 08 July 2007 14:40:28 Thomas Gstädtner wrote:
> > > He Peter, please contact me concerning the group purchase :)
> > > What a pitty that there are no shipping costs in the shop :(
> > >
> > > 2007/7/8, Peter Trapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > Shop is open :)
> > > >
> > > > cheers
> > > > -homyx
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Re: Let's get some digging done!

[Jason Elwell]

On Sunday 08 July 2007 14:58:46 Ortwin Regel wrote:
> Somebody (=not me) submitted a Digg story:
> http://digg.com/linux_unix/NEO1973_Phone_running_open_source_OpenMoko_softw
>are_now_available Digg it now! Tell all your friends to digg it! Register at
> Digg if you have to! Let's get this out to people!
>
> Ortwin

Dugg.

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Re: Shop is open :)

[Jason Elwell]

Shipping cost/options are displayed AFTER you fill out the first form.

-Jason

On Sunday 08 July 2007 14:40:28 Thomas Gstädtner wrote:
> He Peter, please contact me concerning the group purchase :)
> What a pitty that there are no shipping costs in the shop :(
>
> 2007/7/8, Peter Trapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Shop is open :)
> >
> > cheers
> > -homyx
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Re: Will the Neo have Wifi?

[Jason Elwell]

On Sunday 08 July 2007 14:38:40 lists wrote:
> Will the Neo have Wifi, sometime consider Wimax, a Sip client?

A developer version of the phone is available NOW.  It does NOT have wifi.

http://www.openmoko.com/index.html


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OPENMOKO.COM IS UP

[Jason Elwell]

The new .COM site is up!  http://www.openmoko.com

Unfortunately, the store is closed.  Hopefully it will open soon.


-Jason

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Re: So we can buy GTA01B_v4 tomorrow?

[Jason Elwell]

FYI,
291 people and counting are sitting in the OpenMoko IRC chat room.

-Jason


On Sunday 08 July 2007 11:25:42 Marco Crociani - Tyrael wrote:
> 00.25 Taiwan time and no news on openmoko.com :(
> We are waiting! :D
>
> 2007/7/8, Jason Elwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > No news yet.  (No news is good news, right?)
> >
> > Hopefully, at 12:01am Monday morning Taiwan time, I will be ording my new
> > Neo1973.
> >
> > -Jason
> >
> > On Saturday 07 July 2007 23:43:01 Songmao Tian wrote:
> > > Have I missed some news?
> > >
> > > Tian
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Re: So we can buy GTA01B_v4 tomorrow?

[Jason Elwell]

Waiting indeed.

My new launch projections are:

A.  The website will be put online at start of business (ie 8am)

B.  When Sean said July 9th, he meant July 9th US/Europe time, not Taiwan 
time.

C.  Launch delayed indefinitely.


My money is on 'C'.  Sean tends to go silent as the deadlines slip, and we 
have not heard from him in a couple of days...

-Jason


On Sunday 08 July 2007 11:25:42 Marco Crociani - Tyrael wrote:
> 00.25 Taiwan time and no news on openmoko.com :(
> We are waiting! :D
>
> 2007/7/8, Jason Elwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > No news yet.  (No news is good news, right?)
> >
> > Hopefully, at 12:01am Monday morning Taiwan time, I will be ording my new
> > Neo1973.
> >
> > -Jason
> >
> > On Saturday 07 July 2007 23:43:01 Songmao Tian wrote:
> > > Have I missed some news?
> > >
> > > Tian
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Re: Linux

[Jason Elwell]

Vicente,
It is believed that the developer version (due to be released today) will be 
available world-wide.  The phone is un-locked, un-subsidized, so it is not 
linked to any carrier.  You should be able to use it with any GSM provider by 
simply inserting an active SIM card.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Jason


On Saturday 07 July 2007 10:38:46 Vicente Alcañiz Buceta wrote:
> Hi:
> My name is Vicente. I am living in Japan. I wonder if you are planning to
> sell your open source mobiles in Asia.If you are intending to sell the
> phones in Japan with which telephone carrier?
> I just want to have a Linux mobile phone but maybe is not going to be
> release in Japan???
> Cordially
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Re: So we can buy GTA01B_v4 tomorrow?

[Jason Elwell]

No news yet.  (No news is good news, right?)

Hopefully, at 12:01am Monday morning Taiwan time, I will be ording my new 
Neo1973.

-Jason



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> Have I missed some news?
>
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Re: FCC Approval

[Jason Elwell]

Jim,
Question: Do the regulations govern devices that are offered for sale in the 
US, but not devices that are sold by an off-shore company to people in the 
US?

I was under the impression that any electronic device sold for use in the USA 
has to be cleared by the FCC.

-Jason


On Sunday 20 May 2007 15:52:06 Jim Thompson wrote:
> Duncan Hudson wrote:
> > Just read that the iPhone was granted FCC approval.  I asked along time
> > ago, has the OpenMoko FCC certification process even begun yet?  No FCC
> > approval, no license to sell the product in the US...
>
> Its not a "license".  You can't sell, or offer to sell a device subject
> to the FCC regs in the US without either marking (in a rules-compliant
> manner) the FCC compliance information (not all devices are
> "certified"), or affixing a label that says, "this device is not
> FCC-certified, and is not offered for sale", in order to even *show* one
> at a venue such as a trade show.
>
> Violation is subject to a fine of up to $10,000 per occurrence.
>
> Personally, I get a 'vibe' that Sean doesn't think the phone will sell
> (at least for a while) in the US... for whatever reason.
>
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Re: Durability of the Neo1973?

[Jason Elwell]

That is news to me.  The only other project planning to use neo1073 AFAIK is a 
recent announcement by Sun to build some sort of mobile platform. They used 
the neo1973 as a mockup in the press release...

Word here is that this phone's hardware is still stuck on the assemply line.  
FIC was supposed to do the first production run on May 10th and we have yet 
to hear from anybody about how that went.

-Jason



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> I was under the impression that this phone was already produced and
> available in Asia, albeit with slightly different components and a whole
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Re: First impressions of Neo1973

[Jason Elwell]

Denis,
There are not many neo1973 owners yet.  Only about 36 developers have received 
a free phone.  From what we hear, there is alot of work still to be be done 
on the basic software.  Hopefully in the the very near future, FIC will begin 
selling to the rest of the development community so that we can start writing 
all sorts of new applications for it.  Then, somethime in the distant future, 
FIC will open sales up to thegeneral public.

Regards,
Jason


On Tuesday 15 May 2007 04:53:41 Denis Parchenko wrote:
> Hello Community,
>
>   I am reading this mailing list about a month. And finally here is my
> first post :)
>
>   Can any of happy neo1973 owners talk about its audio quality?
>   Comparing sound quality to iPod or SonyEricsson K750/W800/W810 with their
> native headphones (using known non-professional ones with neo, e.g. KOSS
> PortaPro).
>
>   BTW, I'm from Ukraine. Are there anybody too?
>
>   Thanks to OpenMoko team for great work!!!
>
> =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - -   -  -
>  Best regards,
>Denis
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Re: First impressions of Neo1973

[Jason Elwell]

I dont know whats more sad... You creating a paperdoll of an OpenMoko, or the 
fact that I downloaded it and made one for myself!  LOL!

Hopefully it will confort me till I get the real thing.  :)

-Jason


On Monday 14 May 2007 15:40:31 Ole Tange wrote:
> On 5/14/07, mathew davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would be interested to know what you thought were strong suits of the
> > phone.  Programs you liked, and other things that the phone does well. 
> > Just curious I guess.  I like hearing about the phone from people who
> > have actual models.
>
> It is a developer phone, so it is hardly surprising that the quality
> of the software is lacking. Thus, I have so far not been able to place
> a call. The other applications can hardly be called strong.
>
> The size is surprisingly accurate to my paperdoll
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/2/27/Neo1973-doll.pdf So if you want
> to get a feel of how big it is - print it out and start folding. A
> picture of the (bangend up) doll, a couple of phones and a CD is here:
> https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:PhoneSizeComparison.jpg
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Re: Durability of the Neo1973?

[Jason Elwell]

On Monday 14 May 2007 14:46:08 Duncan Hudson wrote:
> So, if I was a betting man I'd say that it either
> didn't go off, or another show stopper / slip causer popped up.

Lets hope you are a crappy gambler.  :)

Seriously though, It is starting to get a little annoying that we have not 
heard anything.  Is it just my imagination, or has Sean been alot quieter for 
the last month or so?  
I am sure the FIC guys are working like mad to get this phone out the door, 
but, like many of us, I have been waiting for my Moko since January.  I am 
SOooo ready to get it in my hands!

-Jason



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Re: Can we order the neo1973?

[Jason Elwell]

Jan,
Pre-order and Orders are not yet occurring due to a recent string of 
development delays.  Today, May 10th is actually supposed to be the first 
production run at the facory in China.  We are all keeping our fingers 
crossed that everything goes smoothly.  No word yet on how long until we can 
start ordering.

-Jason


On Thursday 10 May 2007 00:01:40 Jan Van Vlaenderen wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I wonder if we could already order the phone to be sure to have one of the
> first batch?
> I've been following several lists during some months and I have not seen a
> message on how and when to order or pre-order.
>
> Can someone give me some more info on this?
>
> Thx,
>
> Jan.



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First Production Run

[Jason Elwell]

Like everyone else, I am eagerly anticipating the results of the first 
production run that is schedule just a few days from now. 
I have been waiting to get my hands on this phone for way too long now :)

Any word on how long it will take to bring this first batch to market?  


Thanks,
Jason

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Re: Status update on the phones?

[Jason Elwell]

The most recent date I have seen was "second half of April".  That was awhile 
back.  Basically they have one week from today to deliver, or we are looking 
at yet another delay. :(
Looking at the open defect list on the bugzilla site 
(http://bugzilla.openmoko.org) makes it seem that they have a long way to go.  

Open defects include:
321 - ftdi_eeprom often fails silently
365: Openmoko dialer fails after gsmd restart
482: Phone Consumes power when turned off; causes battery to drain.
255: "Battery remaining" meter still needs work

I'm sure I will get to buy a Neo, someday :)

-Jason




On Wednesday 18 April 2007 17:06:36 Marcel de Jong wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering (along, I'm sure, with many others here on this list)
> what the current status is of the P1 phones.
> Is there 'light at the end of the tunnel' yet, for you guys? :)
> A few weeks ago, Sean mentioned some problems that might be quickly
> fixed, or might need another hardware spin. I'm curious what it
> eventually was/is. :)
>
> Also, can translators already start doing some work on (some of) the
> apps (aside from the Wiki that is), or are these apps still too much in
> flux?
>
> If we can start translating, is there somewhere a way to be able to grab
> the sources, and update the translation files?
>
> I tried the rsync instructions on this page:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko#Developer_Workstations
> But that didn't work out for me. (my coding skills are rusty, and I
> don't have much experience working with rsync or with svn.)
>
> Or do I need to use the Openmoko makefile to grab these files?
>
> sincerely,
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Re: Neo1973 With Screen On at PopSci!

[Jason Elwell]

WOW!Best pictures that I have seen yet.  Also the first description of the 
case texture that I have read.

Great post!

Jason


On Friday 23 February 2007 13:22, Bryan Fink wrote:
> Hi All.  I was just browsing for Neo1973 pictures, as I do every few
> days, and finally found pictures of a Neo with the screen on!  Check
> out Popular Science's 10-photo gallery:
>
> <http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/af9aa618ea7c0110vgnvcm104eecbccd
>rcrd.html>
>
> Images 2 and 3 show the Neo booting up.  It's quite amazing how much
> text fits on that screen.
>
> The gallery is part of this short blog post:
>
> http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/02/up_close_and_pe.html
>
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Re: About March Release

[Jason Elwell]

There was a thread on this list awhile ago that said that changes could be 
made to the hardware should a problem be identified.  Sean did say however 
that they will be offering upgrade incentives on the new hardware.

Also, it has been said that eventually there will be 5 phones available the 
run the OpenMoko platform.

-Jason


On Sunday 18 February 2007 23:18, R.J. wrote:
> Hi,all
>   I've read the FAQ in the wiki, and I got one concern:
>   Will the hardware configuration for openmoko available on March the same
> as September?
>
> Cheers,
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Re: hi-res Neo1973 pictures

[Jason Elwell]

Not exactly high-resolution, but they may work for you:

http://www.openmoko.com/pixels/FIC-neo1973.png 
(I belive this is an "artist's rendering"

http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/fic_neo1973_orange_4views.jpg
(White/orange, many angles)

http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/fic_neo1973_charcoal.jpg
(Actual device?, turned off - Black/silver)

Regards,
Jason



On Sunday 18 February 2007 07:49, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote:
> Hi! I just wrote article about OpenMoko for biggest free polish students
> newspaper (I am also a journalist there). Would anyone be so kind to point
> me any hi-res pictures of Neo1973 so we could print them out in our
> newspaper? Or is it possible that someone make such pictures and post it to
> wiki?
>
> best regards
>
> Krzysztof Kajkowski

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Re: Statistics

[Jason Elwell]

On Sunday 11 February 2007 13:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  There are 845 people, which 199 are receiving digest.

Wow, I am impressed. 

-Jason

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Re: T-Mobile finagling advice?

[Jason Elwell]

You should not have any problem getting GPRS to work as long as you are using 
their regular service.  AFAIK, only their PREPAID service has the access to 
GPRS restricted.

-Jason


On Saturday 10 February 2007 12:40, Ben Burdette wrote:
> >> Unfortunatly, It looks to me like T-Mobile is currently not
> >> interested in
> >> letting its pre-paid customers use GPRS to go anywhere outside their
> >> Silly
> >> T-Zones walled garden.
> >
> > Let me guess.
> > This contains such things as weather reports, news headlines,
> > ringtones, ...
> > All available for a small per-use-fee?
> >
> > Sigh.
> > They see GPRS as a profit source, to drive profit to their own partners.
> > Rather than a service to provide to users.
>
> That's a depressing prospect.  All this openmoko and no web?  I wonder
> if cingular is any better...
>
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Re: Any alternative ideas to fullscreen popup-messages?

[Jason Weathered]

On 2007-02-01 22:09, Lars Hallberg wrote:
> Harder problem... What to do when the screen is off and a phone call
> comes in? Turning the screen on is OK, but I don't want the
> touch-interface to go on in my pocket... so what to do that's not
> completely awkward. See little choice but to use the 'hardware'
> buttons. But there position do not look optimal.

The screen should definitely turn on and perhaps flash or change 
brightness continuously (i.e. pulse).


With regards to accidental clicks, I have a couple of ideas:

* Two taps at opposite corners or opposite edges to unlock.

* A quick left/right/left triple tap or left->right->left drag action in 
the middle of the screen.


* Apple's iPhone has a "slide to unlock". A continuous left to right 
action over a certain region unlocks the phone.


Since the display isn't pressure sensitive I think any of these options 
would probably work. Can we have all of them? :)


Jason

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Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

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I'd also like to know if the hardware is likely to change between March and 
September.   I *am* a developer, but that doesn't mean I want to buy another 
phone is 6-8 months :)

-Jason


On Thursday 25 January 2007 19:49, Pranav Desai wrote:
> On 1/25/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Marcel de Jong wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do
> > > have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a
> > > software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified).
> > >
> > > So I'm not really a developer, but  I'd still like to get me a phone
> > > in March. (can't wait till November or what was it again) :)
> > >
> > > Will the developers phone be ready for usage for non-developers too?
> >
> > Absolutely not, sorry. This is really "release early and often". It
> > will definitely be too rough for non-developers -- that's why we are
> > targetting September for mass market.
>
> What about the hardware, will that be the same for March and September
> ? or can that also change, due to some issue with the developer
> phones.
> I am not a developer in the embedded space, but I dont mind updating
> the phone with new software (kernel, apps, etc.), whenever one is
> released. And I am also fine with it not working sometimes, but it
> will be difficult to buy a new phone in September, coz some chip in
> the developer version doesnt work as expected.
>
> Thanks
> -- Pranav
>
> > Regards,
> >
> > :M:
> >
> > --
> > Michael 'Mickey' Lauer | IT-Freelancer | http://www.vanille-media.de
> >
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Re: Register article

[Jason Elwell]

I saw that article too, and thought the same thing.

Surely just a mis-printright?


-Jason

On Tuesday 16 January 2007 16:52, Marcel de Jong wrote:
> On 1/16/07, Ben Fleming-Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Positive write-up in the Register, with one surprise...
> >
> > "Sean Moss-Pultz, the project's architect, expects the first samples of
> > OpenMoko hardware to ship in March 2007."
> > www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/01/15/open_phone/
>
> March? Please say it isn't so! :) Well I guess if the devs and
> manufacturers need some more time to get it right, and it would make
> the Neo even better, I'm all for it.
> I just really hope it'll be out soon.
>
> Marcel
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