Re: Wikipage with FOSDEM 2010 visitors
I'll be there :) On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Just 4 Freerunners going to FOSDEM? > > Am 18.01.2010 um 08:21 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: > >> Hi all, >> I will attend FOSDEM 2010 and give a talk about experiments with >> GNUstep running on the Freerunner. Here is the schedule: >> >> http://fosdem.org/2010/schedule/events/gnustep_porting_quantumstep >> >> But since I am sure there are many more attendants and activities, I >> have started a Wiki Page where you can register yourself: >> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=FOSDEM_2010 >> >> This all should ease to keep the community from being thinned out >> during such a large event. And I am sure that there are many new >> things to learn and nice people to meet around the Freerunner. >> >> Nikolaus >> >> >> >> >> >> Mobile Office Solutions >> by Golden Delicious Computers GmbH&Co. KG >> Buchenstr. 3 >> D-82041 Oberhaching >> +49-89-54290367 >> http://www.handheld-linux.com >> >> AG München, HRA 89571 >> VAT DE253626266 >> Komplementär: >> Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH >> Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 >> Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller >> >> Digital Tools for Independent People >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from Wellington, Wgn, New Zealand ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Priorities for mass usage: 1. phone working 2. acceptable battery life (1 full day without charge) Am I wrong? Jon On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 22:29 +0100, Peter Rasmussen wrote: > Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > > Peter Rasmussen wrote: > > > >> I checked out bug #1028, and yes, even with the limited info there, it > >> seems to be the same. > >> > > > > Thanks for confirming! > > > > > That was the least I could do! > >>> A couple of seconds later you should see a popup with your mobile > >>> service provider appearing. > >>> > >> I could then make phone calls, but it seemed that when the other end > >> drops the connection, my Neo doesn't detect it and stays up until I > >> explicitly drop the call myself. Is this a known problem? > >> > > > > Unfortunately yes, sorry. gsmd team and dialer team are working to fix > > this asap. > > > > > Actually, now being able to both dial and receive phone calls, this > issue moves down the 'issue ladder' for me. It doesn't work in a sexy > way, but it works! > > What I would rather like to see now is working text messaging (SMS) and > better battery life, because then I could switch my regular mobile phone > to the Neo for every day usage, and that would put many more testing > hours into it. Right now, it is only after I come home and have time > sitting down with it that I can fiddle and test it, and that makes a > huge difference. > > If emphasis could also be put into providing more characters in the text > messaging, eg. European, Japanese and Chinese characters, that would be > helpful, too. You know, text messaging in Europe and Asia is sometimes > more important than voice. > > Then, having a USB mode = Mass Storage, so that when powered up, or in > the boot loader mode, being able to directly access the SD or SDHC flash > card would make access to it easier and less demanding with moving the > flash card back and forth between the Neo and a reader, when populating > it with a new kernel and rootfs image. How and when do you suppose that > is coming along? > > In general, how do I put such functionality road map priority wishes > through? Bugzilla? Or is that only for actual defects? > > Thanks, > Peter > > -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note: the contents of this email are not intended to be legal advice nor should they be relied upon as or represented to be legal advice. Jon Phillips does not represent any organization through this email address. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko at OSCON?
On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 17:28 -0700, Don Park wrote: > On 7/2/07, Jon Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 15:05 -0700, Dirk Bergstrom wrote: > > > Will there be an official or unofficial OpenMoko presence at The Oreilly > > > Open Source Conference (OSCON) in Portland later this month? > > I'll be there...can definitely have a bof. > > i'll be there. a BoF session sounds great. The question is, will any > neo1973 units be there? > > don I can bring the hacker toolbox and my openmoko...can you figure out how to sign up for times? The best for me would be thursday or friday...I'm presenting about Creative Commons wednesday and throwing a party with Mozilla that night...anybody want to come to that? Get your beer-zilla on? Jon > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko at OSCON?
On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 15:05 -0700, Dirk Bergstrom wrote: > Will there be an official or unofficial OpenMoko presence at The Oreilly > Open Source Conference (OSCON) in Portland later this month? > > Seems like the perfect place for it... > I'll be there...can definitely have a bof. Jon > -- > Dirk > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: An introduction
On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 22:27 -0400, Vladimir Giszpenc wrote: > Hello OpenMoko community, > > OpenMoko is very exciting. I and many Mono developers like myself > would like to get involved. The Mono team has developed Moonlight -- > a port of Microsoft's SilverLight to Linux. Here are some of the > things it can do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRSO7p0HAIw > > It is Open Source, small, fast and works well with others. The Mono > team has made it easy for .Net developers to access this technology > but it is not limited to them. You don't need Mono to use MoonLight. > > The Mono team would help you create hype give you access to millions > of C#, VisualBasic, JavaScript, IronPython and Ruby developers because > it not only has ported the .Net CLR but they made Microsoft's DLR work > on Linux as well. The DLR is licensed with a BSD type license. > > How do we get involved? > > Thanks, > > Vlad Heya Vlad! THis is such amazing work you guys have done! I think you should check out the lists to join first off and intro what you want to do on the relevant communication channels. Your efforts would be amazing to capitalize on...these efforts sure as hell aren't getting onto the iPhone ;) http://lists.openmoko.org/ Cheers! Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Moko Themes
On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 19:19 -0500, Tim Shannon wrote: > I know that there are going to be themes for the OpenMoko interface, > but I'm just wondering if there is anyone who has started working on > alternate themes? I think I'd like to take a crack at it, and I was > curious if anyone has had any start yet. > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I haven't, but OpenMoko team and I have discussed how the main theme is going to be CC BY-SA licensed. It would be great to get other interfaces licensed under CC BY or BY-SA tooo! Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community involvement todo?
On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 02:41 +0300, Philippe De Swert wrote: > Hi all, > > Lately I have been wondering how to be able to contribute to the actual > development of the OpenMoko software. I have been looking at the > bugzilla but it is often hard to contribute to certain parts. Some > things are trivial but troublesome to do due to having to modify a lot > of seperate programs. Other are almost impossible to do without spec > sheets etc... > > Thus I propose a plan to take full advantage of the community as this > should be the strenght of the openmoko project. > > So I would like to propose a todo list on the wiki. This should list a > number of tasks which people can take up with a short explanation of > what has to be done and what is expected. This coupled to a seperate > email address or mailing list. After which the devs can add the patches > wherever needed. > > Alternatively we can make sure that more bugs are filed in bugzilla with > detailed explanations. > > Any comments? People willing to take up co-ordinating, devs willing to > check this out, ...? > > Cheers, > > Philippe Isn't there already a list for this? If not, please create a first-timers list of things to do to get started and post the URL. Cheers! Jon > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!
agree...hype leads to vapor :) jump into the contributing, do blog it and help move forward, but mos def think the program waves should come when there are major announcements... Jon -Original Message- From: Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:56 AM To: Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; el jefe delito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday! Yep my thoughts exactly - wait until the product is out before trying to hype it any more. Enough people know about it already. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Thompson > Sent: Monday, 4 June 2007 2:43 PM > To: el jefe delito > Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org > Subject: Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday! > > el jefe delito wrote: > > > I hope that we can start to create some buzz about this product! Being > > open, being able to work with multiple service providers, being > > unlocked, being cheaper, being higher-resolution... all of these are > > benefits that we must PROMOTE. The quicker we can post on an article, > > the higher on the Comments list we will be and the more reads that > > comment will get. No one reads Comment #154267 > > > > Thoughts? > > We need hardware, (and far better softare), not hype. > > Comments don't sell phones, applications do. > > Once we have functional hardware, we can create better software, and the > combination of these is far better than any amount of hype or PR. > > Devices like the FIC Neo1973 can be difficult to engineer, so Sean, we > understand. > > Jim > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: concept phone with only a touchscreen for UI
On Sat, 2007-06-02 at 13:35 -0700, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: > Well... for a while I was thinking about implanting a strong magnet > under the skin in one of my fingers to detect alternating current. > There are a few people out there who have done this and they say they > can feel a very mild wiggle when the magnet comes near a wire carrying > AC. It might be possible to detect the current going through the > touchscreen as you make contact with it. > > But that's probably not a mainstream solution. That sounds like a stelarc solution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stelarc What about a glove or thimble that you could put on your finger? How much does vibration tech. kill the battery on phones? Some type of current detection sounds interesting... Jon > On Jun 2, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Jon Phillips wrote: > > > Yes, it seems pretty clear that screens are the way forward rather > > than > > > > moving parts. I've seen a few solutions to the tactile feedback > > issue, > > > > with the main being have the phone vibrate slightly upon key press, > > > > along with sounds. > > > > > > Matthew (and others), have you heard of others? > > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: concept phone with only a touchscreen for UI
On Sat, 2007-06-02 at 12:53 -0700, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: > It's interesting.. here in the states, people really love the tactile > feedback you get with a "real" keyboard. But I've heard several > people say that touch screens are quite popular in Asia. If so, that > might explain why BenQ (and not Motorola) did this design and maybe > Apple is thinking about the iPhone for the Asian market instead of > the US market. Also... myPhone development has been greatly > simplified by having a touchscreen as the primary input. We can try > out all sorts of control layouts without having to print new keypads. > > -Cheers > -Matt H. Yes, it seems pretty clear that screens are the way forward rather than moving parts. I've seen a few solutions to the tactile feedback issue, with the main being have the phone vibrate slightly upon key press, along with sounds. Matthew (and others), have you heard of others? Jon > On Jun 2, 2007, at 10:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> From our friends at SVHMPC, > > > > > > A concept phone that is one big touchscreen, not unlike Neo1973. > > Interesting > > point: "One issue keeping touchscreen concepts like this from > > becoming a > > reality is the tactile-feedback issue" so I think we are right on > > the mark > > with the discussions of and proposed solutions to this issue. > > > > Michael > > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:22:21 -0700 > > From: Chris Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: SVHMPC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [SVHMPC] Black Box phone > > > > Has this been linked to the list yet? > > > > http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2006/10/03/black_box_phone.html > > > > I think I still want some kind of tactile keyboard option (credit-card > > sized bluetooth keyboard may be good enough), but this is still pretty > > interesting. :) > > > > -Chris > > > > ___ > > SVHMPC mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://telefono.revejo.org/mailman/listinfo/svhmpc_telefono.revejo.org > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Durability of the Neo1973?
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 22:07 -0400, Alan Ide wrote: > Agreed. It has been REALLY quite for the last month or so. We still > dont have any "verified" working phase 1. We havent heard anything > about the production run. We havent heard jack about the phase 1+. Its > starting to feel like we are being very left out of the loop. And > since its us the "development community" that is going to take this > thing to the next level once it is released, it kind of leaves a bad > taste in my mouth that we are being so left out of the loop. Just my 2 > cents. Heya guys, keep up the cheer :) This is a kick ass project and developing hardware just takes time. Also, there is plenty to do with the development trees open...what's your fancy? Jon > On 5/14/07, Jason Elwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 14 May 2007 14:46:08 Duncan Hudson wrote: > > So, if I was a betting man I'd say that it either > > didn't go off, or another show stopper / slip causer popped > up. > > Lets hope you are a crappy gambler. :) > > Seriously though, It is starting to get a little annoying that > we have not > heard anything. Is it just my imagination, or has Sean been > alot quieter for > the last month or so? > I am sure the FIC guys are working like mad to get this phone > out the door, > but, like many of us, I have been waiting for my Moko since > January. I am > SOooo ready to get it in my hands! > > -Jason > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _______ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TaskManager is one ugly piece of... UI
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 18:22 -0600, Brad Midgley wrote: > Jon > > > > 2. Make the lower-left-corner button bring up a popup menu > with each > > application listed and an X after each name if you wanted to > close it. > > Brad, this is still at the development stages, so it is really > up to us > to fix it. Could you please contribute some code, mockups, > etc, to help > with this? > > the #2 proposal is the one I'd prefer to get. I think it's pretty > clear how it would look without building a mockup. I wouldn't write > prototype code unless the idea was agreed on in principle. Is there a > UI committee? :) > > Brad I like the motto we use in Inkscape: patch first, discuss later. Maybe we can adopt that with openmoko as well. So, please submit a patch. Jon > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TaskManager is one ugly piece of... UI
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 08:40 -0600, Brad Midgley wrote: > Hey > > After spending a day or so working over my P1, I have to ask if the > TaskManager is slated for removal or improvement. It is the single > worst component of user interface on the whole device... > > - switching apps on every other platform is a single click on the task > name > - selecting the application from a "fuzzy" list and clicking on a > horseshoe with a green blob is not intuitive > - TaskManger ends up looking like the Home menu but of course behaving > totally differently > - the X on the left sometimes closes the task manager and sometimes > closes an app depending on the selection > - it's not clear what the turning arrow button does until you use it a > few times > - it's not clear what the benefit or advantage is to closing the task > manager or clicking the turning arrow to hide it > - when it's "running" the task manager takes a slot in the > lower-right-corner switcher button, adding further confusion > > I see two ways to improve it: > > 1. Remove TaskManager entirely. Use the other switcher and fix the > "close" option in the apps so it doesn't kill the bottom bar. > > 2. Make the lower-left-corner button bring up a popup menu with each > application listed and an X after each name if you wanted to close it. > (It could even be scrollable or tiled if it'll grows too long, but > that will be the unusual case.) With a popup, we get back to what > people expect in task switching and it's simple and clear to > understand what this thing is for. It also would "go away" when you > click somewhere else instead of cluttering up the notion of what is > running. > > There's plenty of talk about how neo compares to iPhone and we have a > huge potential here to show them up in some areas, but I do know Apple > would never let such a flawed UI element out the door. > > Brad Brad, this is still at the development stages, so it is really up to us to fix it. Could you please contribute some code, mockups, etc, to help with this? Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded
On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 09:28 -0500, Jonathon Suggs wrote: > Don't know if people saw this or not, but Ubuntu just announced that > they will be working on mobile and embedded distros. > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-May/000289.html > > I'm not sure what all their goals are, and how they align with what > OpenMoko is doing, but if it was possible to join efforts with such a > large organization/project could really help out with the overall > development/support. > > -Jonathon I absolutely agree. If anything, it is great that big linux projects are focusing on the mobile market. I'm not sure how the openembedded + ubuntu + gnome mobile plans can work together. Can someone from one of those projects comment please? Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Facebook OpenMoko Group [SPAM]
On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 12:31 +0200, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: > Consider this as a spam because access requires account on facebook. > I disagree, there is much reason to have outside communities of support which many people use internationally. Jon > Chris Fazekas napisał(a): > > Hey everyone, > > > > I just got on with facebook (http://www.facebook.com) and I created > > an > > OpenMoko group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2336942465) > > for > > fun and excitement. > > > > > -- > Bartlomiej Zdanowski > Programmer > Product Research & Development Department > AutoGuard & Insurance Ltd. > > Omulewska 27 street > 04-128 Warsaw > Poland > phone +48 22 611 69 23 > www.autoguard.pl > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: linuxworld (san francisco, august): .org Pavilion Call for Papers
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 09:08 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > OpenMoko.org should be here, no?. > > Has anyone submitted, or is anyone planning to submit, an application? > > If not, would OpenMoko.com prefer someone official (i.e. someone on the > payroll) do this or someone from the community at large? > > Michael Well the openmoko.org community could participate for free in the dot.org pavilion and/or openmoko.com could participate in the commercial part. I think though that this is a must-go-to conference for the business of openmoko. Last year it is where trolltech launched the green phone and Palmsource/Access did massive PR about alps. Hopefully openmoko could have a booth and the openmoko.org could help out in some capacity...Sean and others, thoughts? Jon > > -- Forwarded message -- > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:41:11 -0700 > From: LinuxWorld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: MICHAEL SHILOH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: .org Pavilion Call for Papers Now Open > > > > LinuxWorld Conference & Expo > http://emessaging.vertexcommunication.com/ct/ct.php?t=2429170&c=1013594618&m=m&type=3&h=063AFEA0553D07A96D14B2C38C75B920 > August 6 - 9, 2007 > Moscone Center > San Francisco, CA > > Dear MICHAEL, > > Interested in LinuxWorld's .org Pavilion? Fill out the > Application Form! > > LinuxWorld Conference & Expo is looking for exhibitors for the > .org Pavilion, our free-of-charge exhibit area for free software > and open source projects. We're looking for projects that produce > great software and can host an informative, helpful booth for our > attendees. > > This year, we will be hosting an "un-conference" theater area > adjacent to the pavilion. If you would like a larger venue for > works in progress, Q & A sessions, demonstrations, and media, > it's there for you. > > Projects use LinuxWorld Conference & Expo for many reasons: to > answer questions from possible new users, to distribute copies > of software, to solicit donations, and to sell project > merchandise. > > If you have participated in the .org Pavilion at previous shows, > you still need to re-apply for it this time. > > To submit for the .org Pavilion, please click on the link below. > > http://emessaging.vertexcommunication.com/ct/ct.php?t=2429171&c=1013594618&m=m&type=3&h=063AFEA0553D07A96D14B2C38C75B920 > > Don't forget! Birds-of-a-Feather sessions are still available. > Click on the link below to submit. > http://emessaging.vertexcommunication.com/ct/ct.php?t=2429172&c=1013594618&m=m&type=3&h=063AFEA0553D07A96D14B2C38C75B920 > > Please contact Alison McCormack with any questions (508) > 988-7880. > > > This message was intended for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > We want to provide you with the most relevant information. > > Click below to do the following: > * Change your email preferences > * Update your information > * Opt-out from our email programs > > http://emessaging.vertexcommunication.com/phase2/survey1/survey.htm?CID=wjvfou&action=update&[EMAIL > PROTECTED]&_mh=ff0ebc1ff53de2c2806b889c75ee15e5 > IDG World Expo, 3 Speen Street, Framingham, MA 01701 > 800-657-1474 > > > Powered by Vertex Communications > http://www.vertexcommunication.com/contact.htm > > > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?
On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 22:58 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Steve Bibayoff wrote: > >> I'm interested to do a projet for OpenMoko and submit it to SOC, but i dont > >> know who is the person that i have to talk at OpenMoko... Does some one > >> knows it? > > > Have you seen this pages yet?: > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_code > > http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-to-the-gsoc-web-app-for-student-applicants > > > I don't believe the mentors for the OpenMoko project have came out > > yet. But even if they haven't, you don't need to know who they are to > > submit an application. "Text_Input" is already listed on the ideas > > page, so you are partially ahead of the game. > > I agree, please go ahead and submit a project application. The > refinement and talk w/ potential mentors will be a part of the > ranking/review process. > > Regards, Heya Mickey, on the official openmoko side, how many students is openmoko shooting for and how many qualified mentors are there? Not that I have an official in at google, I'm just curious? Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?
On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 19:30 -0200, --- wrote: > Hi all, > > > I'm interested to do a projet for OpenMoko and submit it to SOC, but i > dont know who is the person that i have to talk at OpenMoko... Does > some one knows it? My plan is to develop something on text input i > already have some base ideas and need to discuss it to know if they > are possible... > > > tanks > Guy Great...you should bite off one discrete task and write-up a smart proposal that accomplishes this task. Bonus points for adding your thought to the wiki. I think you would benefit as well as discussing this on the development mailing list and getting input. Generally, after you submit your proposal, a mentor is selected. Cheers! Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google SoC, To-Do
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 11:40 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > Dnia niedziela, 18 marca 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał: > > > I have already posted an application for Footer. > > > Maybe as sidework I will write To-Do app. I definetly need one on > > modile, and quite complicated one. > > OpenedHand created application named 'Tasks' which would be trivial to > port to OpenMoko framework. Afaik todos will be part of Openmoko-dates. Is there a place on the OpenedHand site that tracks the todo/bugs and roadmap for these brilliant apps? There is so much cross-over, IMO, it should be noted on the tasks page where others can help out on these apps... Are you all thinking about making a mail app, or are you just working together on TinyMail? Once Tasks gets a bit better, I might just stop using evolution-bloatware-crash-a-lot ;) Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neologics
On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 09:11 -0500, Richard Franks wrote: > On 3/7/07, Jon Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is interesting to see the larger ambitions of the project. It might > > also help to expand upon what types of devices could be constructed with > > this logic, in addition to neo1973. I'm thinking remotes, media players, > > watches, etc... > > What if you mated Elite with Yahoo Pipes - instead of RSS feeds, you > have extensible data streams.. and instead of planets you have > conceptual nodes. Instead of trade routes, by clicking on a node you > can see and edit which data streams it imports and exports, and can be > anything from a simple wrapper to the GPS device, to a user, an > application or represent a physical device such as your desktop or > Neo. > > Here's an early demo picture, although the lack of structure makes it > look rather too complex at the moment: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/413592619/ > > Instead of adding a security layer later, each node could have its own > private/public key combo from birth, and would (by default) be > authenticated by the node representing the physical device layer. The > user node may use a third-party to authenticate themselves, which > would allow them to travel between devices, or may choose to operate > in a reduced security domain which allows local authentication - > simply drag a new node from your 'parent' user-node, un-check the > security domains you don't want it to access, and allow password > authentication for that 'child' node. > > To set up communication between nodes, the device authentication layer > would handle the swapping of public keys - transparently if requested > between multiple physical devices, but the utility arises from this > ability to dynamically create overlapping security domains (e.g. my > work, friends, family, spouse, etc). > > I think I've failed in the description somewhat, as I'm still in the > early-prototype stages - but I think it could provide access to > conceptual and physical resources as simple building blocks, which is > fundamental for emergence to flourish. Well, please put on the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org and flesh it out some more :) Jon > Richard > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neologics
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 08:12 -0500, Richard Franks wrote: > I found the section on emergence/Neoforms _very_ interesting - I've > recently been expanding upon this ( > http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Ideas/ConceptualFramework ) > from which I've going down similar lines of thought - do you have more > ideas about Neoforms? > > Richard This is interesting to see the larger ambitions of the project. It might also help to expand upon what types of devices could be constructed with this logic, in addition to neo1973. I'm thinking remotes, media players, watches, etc... Jon > > On 3/1/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Community, > > > > For those of you who couldn't make it FOSDEM or Etel, I've posted our > > presentation here: > > > > http://www.openmoko.com/files/OpenMoko_Neologics.pdf > > > > Happy reading! > > > > -Sean > > > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > _______ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what about localized versions of wiki?
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 15:05 +0200, Denis Kot wrote: > something like ru.wiki.openmoko.org, de.wiki.openmoko.org etc? > I'm ready to maintain Russian version of wiki. Just go ahead and use what is there to translate... Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Forums Page?
On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 21:20 +0100, kenneth marken wrote: > Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > On Tuesday 20 February 2007 21:05:35 kenneth marken wrote: > >> its fully possible in some forums to have proper threading... > >> > > > > And that's mostly true (leaving mails from broken email clients aside) for > > mailinglists as well. I think in Thunderbird you should barely be able to > > tell whether you are using a newsgroup or a mailinglist if you configure it > > correctly (but it's been a while since I used Thunderbird for either). > > > > well, as newsgroups go in their own folder tree its not hard at all. > > mailing lists is a different story, but you can allways set up a filter > that puts new mails from the list into its own folder. and yes, you can > have them all sorted by thread if you want to... Hi all, this is all interesting. It is key for us all to focus our energy on OpenMoko on these lists. I would recommend if you all are into forums, you have everything to create them on your own as user forums or whatever. This is the approach we took with Inkscape, as developers time is for focused attention on the project and not on infrastructure development. Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: lets be nice
On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 22:16 -0800, Tim Newsom wrote: > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:35, ryan lerch wrote: > > hi all, > > > > just a friendly reminder that we are getting a lot of people > > subscribing to and posting to this community list that may not know > > all the mailing list etiquette that you do. > > > > So please be nice to these new-comers, and be patient with them; > > > > * if a topic is raised that has been discussed and resolved before - > > point them to the mailing list archives or where they can read about > > the answer. > > > > Even better, find a place to summarise and document the discussion on > > the wiki - a formatted wiki page is 100 times easier to read than > > digging through months of mailing list archives... :P > > > > * if they ask, what is in your eyes a "stupid question" remember that > > at one stage you knew little or nothing about the openmoko project: > > they are just interested in getting an opensource mobile device (just > > like the rest of us.. :P ) > > > > * i have also noticed that many newcomers obviously have not been > > members of online communities or online development communities > > before; if you come across one of these people, be nice and show them > > the ropes. > > > > Is it possible to have the 'welcome' email point them to those locations > automatically? Then they could have the information right from the > start.. Plus maybe some general guidelines for posting... Might be good > also. > > Just a thought. > --Tim > That's true, but since most of us don't have control over the list (admin), social solutions are still the best way. I would also add that initial welcome and response really sets up how this community is perceived, but more importantly, how to get people connected up so that they can contribute. Channeling people's energy to the wiki, proper mailing lists, discusssions, etc, is a great way to gain reputation on a project and to help move everything along... Thanks for bringing this up Ryan and Tim...and, as always, the best way is to just "do" these things :) Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Copyrights in the wiki
On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 18:22 +0100, Harald Welte wrote: > On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 01:54:56AM +, Ole Tange wrote: > > On 2/17/07, denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I got a question. Is it allowed to post screenshots from MacOS > > >applications and use them as a reference for the layout and look of the > > >phone? > > >For example here: > > >http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Date_%26_Time_Preview > > > > I would recommend against it. The wiki clearly states: > > I would follow that recommendation, but don't consider it as a serious > issue. The MacOS apps are certainly copyrighted, but I've never seen > any issue about publicizing screenshots from existing programs. I mean, > if that would be considered copyright infringement, nobody could ever > publicize any screenshot of any non-free application or a non-free OS > anywhere. > > Yes, if somebody copies the design/theming of a UI app (into a new UI > app, e.g. an OpenMoko one), that would be a problem. But then the moko > themes are so different that I doubt this would happen either. Right, if anyone is concerned, just give adequate attribution around the image and give apple due credit...otherwise, this is all fair use...and free promotion for apple... Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko Challenges
decision for > >> the past five days. We're all extremely demanding of ourselves when it > >> comes to the quality of our work. Nearly every minute of our waking > >> lives have been spent on this project. So to be at this state, now, is > >> really hard on us. > >> > >> Mickey Lauer, one of our core developers sent an email, only a few hours > >> ago, that put things back into perspective for us. He said, > >> > >>"A lot of people will be disappointed by the state of the > >>software, but -- I may be a dreamer -- I prefer rough and truly > >>open solutions (where I have the chance to help shaping the > >>future) over cool, but already finished and closed solutions > >>(where all I can do is take the platform as it is or NOT.)" > >> > >> As planned, we are going to open this project up at this point. Within > >> three days of this announcement you will all have access to our source > >> code, Wiki, and Bugzilla. > >> > >> Hopefully you can understand why we're at this less-than-ideal state. > >> But more importantly, we hope you understand that opening our code now, > >> and letting you join us in making this dream of an open phone platform > >> come true, is more important for us than mere appearances. > >> > >> Regarding our Neo1973 hardware, we will send out the first batch of > >> phase 0 phones out around the end of this month. Sorry for not being > >> able to give an absolute date. Next week is Chinese New Year (we're in > >> Asia remember) and _everyone_ stops working for a full week. Having our > >> newly designed FPC built before is really wishful thinking. > >> > >> All interested developers can purchase Neos starting late March. Please > >> understand that phase 0 is a system of "checks and balances," so it > >> simply cannot be rushed. We want to get the framework right, the first > >> time around. Hopefully you all can live with the slight delays in our > >> schedule. We're all super excited to be cranking again and eagerly await > >> sending you hardware so you can join us in the party ;-) > >> > >> Finally, we will offer Neos to end users sometime in September of this > >> year. People everywhere will finally begin to understand the real power > >> of an open phone with a strong community behind it. Within this > >> relationship between humans and Neos, a new kind of device will emerge. > >> "Freed Phones", will have the potential to forever change the way people > >> think of technology. This is the challenge that drives us. And it awaits > >> each an every one of you, along with our full support. > >> > >> > >> Now, "Free Your Phone." > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> > >> The OpenMoko Team > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> OpenMoko community mailing list > >> community@lists.openmoko.org > >> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > > > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Push Email
On Wed, 2007-02-07 at 10:30 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > Yes, The thing is that as the tinymail developer, I can't really > anticipate on things like this until they get decided and are known to > me. > > Well, that's not really true. I can, and have, anticipated 'the unknown' > in the design of tinymail. I frequently tell people "Change is among > us", well this again proves it definitely *IS*. > > I anticipated in that the design flexible on how you implement the > observable's part of the game. That can be SyncML but, as you now can > see, also IMAP IDLE on the same thread and using the same connection as > your normal IMAP one. > > Who knows tomorrow we will all get mail notification through some > obscure bits in the TCP/IP headers of the GPRS connection? And who knows > will we someday have to look at the VPI + VCI of ATM cells to know from > which provider the messages came? Whether or not it's possible, ATM > isn't used for phones, or whether it's a good solution is not really the > point. > > Well, not for tinymail. That's an implementation detail for tinymail. > > The design that will cope with the event, which is the well known > observer pattern, will deal with it once the observable is implemented. > > If you need a "Click" kernel module for that, to feed certain bits to > the application layer, then that's great. > > I hope to make that message very clear in clarity ;). The IMAP IDLE > support is not a demo, no, but it's also not a statement: I'm not > sticking to 'just' IMAP IDLE. Tinymail could and 'will' cope with other > Push E-Mail notification methods. It's designed to do so. And it will. > > So ... basically .. ( and forgive me for my direct & to the point style > of discussion. I don't mean anything anti-empathic with it :-p ) : > > Please develop me the method for notifying your phones about messages > over the networks that will be used, give me the technical details, and > let's implement a libtinymail-openmoko platform specific library that > deals with this. Does that sound good? > > 3..2..1 Go! :-) Philip, this rapid implementation is excellent. Could an official openmoko dev. enlighten this situation a bit more :) Mickey? Thanks! Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Social OpenMoko gathering at Oreilly Emerging Telephony Conference
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 18:34 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Jon Phillips wrote: > > > On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 10:30 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > >> > >>> On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 16:45 -0800, Jon Phillips wrote: > >>>>> GREAT idea. Whether or not we are attending the conference, enough > >>>> of us live > >>>>> in the area that we should get together, if not at the conference > >>>> then in a > >>>>> suitably friendly bar or restaurant. Perhaps we should find out when > >>>> Sean is > >>>>> available, and see if we can work around that? > >>>>> > >>>>> Michael > >>>> > >>>> Yah, that sounds goodSean, what do you think? > >>> > >>> Sounds like a great idea. Can you organize something? I seem to be free > >>> just about any night now. > >>> > >>> -Sean > >>> > >> > >> ETel is Tuesday, 2/27 through Thursday, 3/1. Sean's workshop is Tuesday > >> morning. > >> > >> Do we all prefer a daytime event, more workshop/hackfest oriented, or an > >> evening at a bar, more free-as-in-beer oriented? Or a restaurant/coffee > >> shop? > >> > >> I for one lean towards the beer. I can think of places in SF (30 minutes at > >> most from the conference) which would be happy to let us set up our laptops > >> and hack away if we wanted, as long as we consumed some of their beer. > > > > Beer, talk, minimal hacking...live socializing is what we can't get in > > the online :) Hacking we can do online ;) > > > >> There are scheduled events at ETel from about 8:30 AM to 9:30 PM (yes, > >> 9:30) > >> both Tuesday and Wednesday, and Thursday until 5 PM. > >> > >> Sean says he is free any night. > >> > >> Thursday night is the only true free night. Does anyone know when Sean > >> departs? > >> > >> Suggestion? Comments? > >> > >> Michael > > > > Sean is in town until that Saturday. I suggest we meet Thursday evening. > Would people prefer to meet near the conference (I think it's by the airport) > or in San Francisco proper? Any specific suggestions? > > Michael city is more interesting, but let's hear from sean and others? I'll be in the city most of the time, but hope to check out the conf. for at least a bit...but not sure what day... Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko at Oreilly Emerging Telephony Conference
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 10:30 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > > > On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 16:45 -0800, Jon Phillips wrote: > >>> GREAT idea. Whether or not we are attending the conference, enough > >> of us live > >>> in the area that we should get together, if not at the conference > >> then in a > >>> suitably friendly bar or restaurant. Perhaps we should find out when > >> Sean is > >>> available, and see if we can work around that? > >>> > >>> Michael > >> > >> Yah, that sounds goodSean, what do you think? > > > > Sounds like a great idea. Can you organize something? I seem to be free > > just about any night now. > > > > -Sean > > > > ETel is Tuesday, 2/27 through Thursday, 3/1. Sean's workshop is Tuesday > morning. > > Do we all prefer a daytime event, more workshop/hackfest oriented, or an > evening at a bar, more free-as-in-beer oriented? Or a restaurant/coffee shop? > > I for one lean towards the beer. I can think of places in SF (30 minutes at > most from the conference) which would be happy to let us set up our laptops > and hack away if we wanted, as long as we consumed some of their beer. Beer, talk, minimal hacking...live socializing is what we can't get in the online :) Hacking we can do online ;) > There are scheduled events at ETel from about 8:30 AM to 9:30 PM (yes, 9:30) > both Tuesday and Wednesday, and Thursday until 5 PM. > > Sean says he is free any night. > > Thursday night is the only true free night. Does anyone know when Sean > departs? > > Suggestion? Comments? > > Michael I'm in pretty much most any evening... Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: graphics hardware; OpenVG
On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 00:48 -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > What kind of framebuffer architecture is the Neo going to use? Is > there graphics acceleration of any kind? Or is the processor's own > framebuffer hardware being used directly? > > I've been doing some framebuffer graphics on the Zaurus SL-6000; it > has a TC6393 chip, which is relatively primitive but at least it can > draw lines and filled rectangles without having to set every pixel one > by one. > > I just discovered this open standard for vector graphics acceleration > on mobile devices, called OpenVG: > > http://www.khronos.org/openvg/ > > Apparently the idea is to define an API and a test and benchmark > suite, so applications (or whole windowing systems) will be portable > between devices, but some devices will accelerate more functions than > others (and the benchmarks will reveal this). > > Any plans to implement that on the Neo? > Well, you would want to add openvg support lower than X11. You should talk to the X and Cairo developers about this. For the OpenMoko uses, Cairo offers hardware acceleration through Glitz, sand Cairo has been in GTK since 2.8... Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mail and contacts app
On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 13:16 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 16:30 -0800, Jon Phillips wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 17:21 -0700, Richi Plana wrote: > > > > The thread started here: > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-January/73.html > > > > > > Does that make it three versions of EDS we're talking about (the Novell > > > original, Philip van Hoof's and EEDS)? Or is Phillip's and EEDS the > > > same? > > > > No, actually, that is the version that these systems use. So, if that is > > the case, then we have one unified one :) > > > > Tinymail does not really use any of the 'other' components of eds. The > only component that it uses, in a very modified form, is the camel > component. > > Although camel is part of eds, it's not really integrated or used by the > other eds components. In fact it's surprisingly disconnected from any > other such eds component (and could have been done as a separate library > too). > > The tinymail project took that LGPL component ... made a series of > changes to it. These changes are slowly going to become available in the > upstream version. And even more slowly into the eds-dbus version (as the > maintainers of eds-dbus told me that they are planning to "in phases" > bring "upstream"-only to eds-dbus. Not to mix multiple versions of > multiple components into their distribution). > > The problem with this is that the camel changes that I did for tinymail > are very much targeted at mobile devices. Upstream Evolution is very > unlikely to accept all of them. So some of them will never reach > upstream. > > Therefore wont they reach eds-dbus either (as the eds-dbus team is only > interested in the upstream eds). > > The funny part is indeed that both eds-dbus and the camel of tinymail > are targeted at mobile users. But it's the redirection that the camel of > tinymail has to take, that is going to make it nearly impossible to get > all changes into eds-dbus. > > The exact same style of changes have happened to eds-dbus. But those > changes of course didn't have to take that route. Do these changes seem to speed up your app and possibly could speed up Evolution in general? I'm having great fun with these apps because of their speed (almost to the point of where I want to use them full-time rather than "crashy" evolution!!!) > Note that I *did* actively contact them about this and that I *did* tell > them that we should better cooperate and work on a single version. They > *did*, however, told me that they are only interested in "upstream" eds. Is EDS mostly controlled by Novell? Yes, seems like a big wall to jump to get changes in...like OO.o or something... > Which is perfectly understandable (so I said it, don't get angry with me > dear eds-dbus team: I "do" understand) and fine for me. > > . And which is why tinymail is using its own internally build Camel > and not the one in eds-dbus, indeed. I really like to get things done, > you know. That is cool and good to know (even though you are prolly sick of having to repeat this all the time ;) > > Now, > > I didn't make these changes for zero reasons. In fact does tinymail need > all of the changes that have happened. That's because I have been very > conservative in making changes to the camel. So only if really really > needed, did I make them. So all changes naturally are really needed. > > A list of the changes: > > o. Offline POP3 support > o. Summary support for POP3 using TOP > o. CONDSTORE support > o. BINARY support > o. Bandwidth reductions when retrieving the summary from IMAP > o. Really major memory consumption reductions when dealing with > summaries > o. Extremely major memory consumption reductions when downloading > summary from IMAP servers > o. A major memory consumption reduction when downloading a message > from an IMAP server (streaming it directly from the TCP/IP stream > to the filesystem, rather than first copying it) > o. Support for partial retrieval (only the message, not the > attachments) for IMAP > o. Support for partial retrieval (only the message, not the > attachments) for POP > o. Multiple bugfixes (major ones) > o. Removing all compilation warnings and also some real bugs caused by > not looking at them (using variables uninitialised, which happened > quite often in Camel) > > In *near* future will much more such changes happen. For example IDLE > support in the IMAP provider of Camel and changes to all the s
RE: OpenMoko at Oreilly Emerging Telephony Conference
On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 22:37 -0800, David Schlesinger wrote: > Same here. > Wait, Sean, you are in the bay area right now? Yah, maybe we should get together once the device is launched ... Also, I'm putting on the Creative Commons Salon on FEB 21 at shinesf.com, which is a good place to meet regardless: http://upcoming.org/event/137741/ Jon > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Sean > Moss-Pultz > Sent: Sat 2/3/2007 9:53 PM > To: Jon Phillips > Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OpenMoko at Oreilly Emerging Telephony Conference > > On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 16:45 -0800, Jon Phillips wrote: > > > GREAT idea. Whether or not we are attending the conference, enough > > of us live > > > in the area that we should get together, if not at the conference > > then in a > > > suitably friendly bar or restaurant. Perhaps we should find out > when > > Sean is > > > available, and see if we can work around that? > > > > > > Michael > > > > Yah, that sounds goodSean, what do you think? > > Sounds like a great idea. Can you organize something? I seem to be > free > just about any night now. > > -Sean > > _______ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tinymail on it?
On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 12:44 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 05:12 +0000, Jon Phillips wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 01:56 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > > > I already asked it to some internal E-mail address, the reaction back > > > then was positive but no real certainties. > > > > > > Is there interest from the OpenMoko team for bringing tinymail to the > > > device? (http://tinymail.org) > > > > > > I've been reading the discussions about push e-mail, and that idea is > > > all nice and stuff. But you'll still need an actual client to display > > > the e-mails themselves. > > > > > > Philip, this would be great. You should hop over toe the openmoko-devel > > mailing list to discuss more. There is discussion about an integrating > > messaging app. Tinymail is great, uses evolution data server, and could > > hopefully be adapted to the openmoko platform. > > It looks like that mailing list is an invite-only one, or else isn't the > mailman on the server working correctly (I haven't yet received a > confirmation E-mail). > > I'd be happy to join that mailing list and discuss the technical pieces > of messaging with you guys. Especially when it comes to RFC822 messages > (E-mails, MIME parts, etc etc) ... > > > Yes, this would be amazingly stellar for mobile apps. It appears that > > messaging is a big missing piece right now, so tinymail with some > > extensions would be an amazing opportunity in the messaging arena. > > > > What is the current extensibility of tinymail? How could we go about > > adding SMS support to tinymail to treat it like a first class piece of > > mail? > > ... and of course also non-RFC822 messages and services that deliver > such messages to the software on the device. Although we will have to > check how we can blend-in such messages into the current API. > > It might mean that I will have to make the current API more flexible, > maybe this can be solved internally within the implementations of that > API, etcetera ... ? > > But I would be very happy to discuss this indeed. And I'm certainly > willing to actively change things in order to support SMS and MMS type > of messages. > Oh, this is great news indeed. I installed the Contacts and Dates apps from openhanded with no troubles, but when I tried to install Tinymail, I need the customized libraries. Are there instructions for how to do a build, where to find the updated libraries, and without breaking my old system's libraries ;) Current OpenMoko developers, could you comment on the state of messaging on OpenMoko and if this is a good direction to go on merging these message types behind this soon-to-become handheld standard mail app? :) The tinymail, dates and contacts applications are awesome, well supported by opened hand, nokia/maemo and others. Thus, it seems logical to jump on the bandwagon to gain group benefits and to have an upstream source for email... Jon > -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko at Oreilly Emerging Telephony Conference
On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 16:27 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > GREAT idea. Whether or not we are attending the conference, enough of us live > in the area that we should get together, if not at the conference then in a > suitably friendly bar or restaurant. Perhaps we should find out when Sean is > available, and see if we can work around that? > > Michael Yah, that sounds goodSean, what do you think? Jon > > > On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Jon Phillips wrote: > > > Heya, is anyone attending the Oreilly Emerging Telephony Conference in > > San Francisco? And, if so, is it worthwhile? I guess if enough people > > are going, good to have an OpenMoko BOF. Some of us will have phones by > > then so could have mini-hack-fest... > > > > http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etel2006/index.cgi?BOFs > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko at Oreilly Emerging Telephony Conference
Heya, is anyone attending the Oreilly Emerging Telephony Conference in San Francisco? And, if so, is it worthwhile? I guess if enough people are going, good to have an OpenMoko BOF. Some of us will have phones by then so could have mini-hack-fest... http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etel2006/index.cgi?BOFs Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko with Apple?
On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 09:09 -0600, Ryan Kline wrote: > I just wondered if anybody had any reason to think that the phone > will not work as well with Macs as it does with PCs. I want one bad, > It is February, right??? > > Thanks, > Ryan > Well, if we stick to our dominant open standards, then I see no reason that it shouldn't work worse on an apple (that is unless apple strays from the open standards again)...it would even be good to develop guides for interoperability on the official wiki. That has always bothered me how phones really only target PCs...we can do much better! Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mail and contacts app
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 17:21 -0700, Richi Plana wrote: > On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 23:21 +0100, Koen Kooi wrote: > > Right, there's one snag: tinymail uses its own forked little version of > > EDS, so if you use > > tinymail + openmoko PIM, you will have *2* copies of the EDS libs on your > > device :( > > Well, I'd like to know the rationale behind the use of a forked version. > As far as I know, there was mention on these lists that we were already > eying a modified version of EDS ... one that's designed specifically for > use in embedded platforms (lower memory usage and performance) as well > as offering interfaces via D-Bus (another, it seems, preferred OpenMoko > subsystem). The project is called Embedded Evolution Data Server > <http://projects.o-hand.com/eds>. > > The thread started here: > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-January/73.html > > Does that make it three versions of EDS we're talking about (the Novell > original, Philip van Hoof's and EEDS)? Or is Phillip's and EEDS the > same? No, actually, that is the version that these systems use. So, if that is the case, then we have one unified one :) Jon > People who're interested in tinymail should really follow Phillip's blog > <http://pvanhoof.be/blog/>. I've been reading his posts via > http://planet.gnome.org/ for some time now. > -- > > Richi Plana > > -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Let us un-stub http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_International_Computer an then translate it!
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 11:03 +0100, Robert Michel wrote: > Salve Michael! > > On Fri, 02 Feb 2007, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > > > > I also never realized that FIC is not just some little startup > > > That makes it a lot more likely that they will still be around for V2 to > > > get > > > released, and for V1 to actually work. > > > > I'm kind of surprised that FIC means so little to a lot of people I'm > > talking. > > Just look http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIC or in anny other > languages then english. I wrote Sean yesterday an email > and pleased to add some more intresting stuff to: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_International_Computer > > Official is this article count as: > " This computer-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by > expanding it." > > > FIC was well-known to be a manufacturer of solid x86 > > motherboards back in the 80s. Perhaps most people weren't into > > computers back those days? ;) > > Could it be that to much production for other brands weaken the > popularity of the brand FIC? > > End users are brand orientated, but IMHO this doesn't count... > for us it is important the quality of the hardwareproduction > and I have a feeling that FIC is a very good choice. > > So before the wave on media response about the Neo we should > help with spreading some more informations about FIC - some > more details, some pictures... > Maby the decision of FIC to join/support/drive the > OpenMoko/Neo1973 project and to develop and produce the Neo1973 > could bring a popularity/image benefit for FIC? ;) > Just beside of the chance of profit with selling Neo1973s? > > So expanding of > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_International_Computer > would help. > > Greetings, > rob This is a good idea. I added my first stab...a link to OpenMoko :) I think OpenMoko will be the most notable product from FIC in the US this year (at least) :) Jon > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: my 2 cents about Idea: ring tones and other non-software assets can be developed as CC content
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 21:45 +0300, Marc SERT wrote: > It's very pleasant to see this fireworks of ideas. > > can i add my feeling about usability of this device : > > think about impaired people like blind people: > > it will be very nice to help them to discover the virtual keyboard by for > example a continuous bass sound modulated by proximity of touch. > and please : each numeric key a fixed sound, why not the standard tone (or > pulse?) remember the first modem you use ATDT ATDP :-)? > > and an other big opportunity : in the way of a special big Grand'Ma icon > to launch call to police station or an other number with a prerecorded > sentence . I am Mrs GrandMa and i need urgently your assistance . please > help me at the following place... and the gps coordinate with the > microphone open so the evalutaion of situation is very fast. This grandma icon would be great for kids too...rather than some disabled device, this one could be for all ages :) > Isnt it great? Yes, accessibility should be thought about in this type of competition for ringtones and other content. > You can save a lot of lifes. The next personal Argos system.. > > Sorry for my english i read better than i write Better than my french :) > If you need a french translator > > Marc This is great! Please add to the wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Content I made that page licensed under CC BY (so we can move it easier to the real wiki soon)... Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tinymail on it?
On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 01:56 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > I already asked it to some internal E-mail address, the reaction back > then was positive but no real certainties. > > Is there interest from the OpenMoko team for bringing tinymail to the > device? (http://tinymail.org) > > I've been reading the discussions about push e-mail, and that idea is > all nice and stuff. But you'll still need an actual client to display > the e-mails themselves. Philip, this would be great. You should hop over toe the openmoko-devel mailing list to discuss more. There is discussion about an integrating messaging app. Tinymail is great, uses evolution data server, and could hopefully be adapted to the openmoko platform. > Nevertheless am I of course interested in whatever the final decision on > push E-mail will be. > > I read how people where suggesting to use the newer IMAP IDLE capability > for this. I would like to point out, however, that not yet all IMAP > servers support this. Nevertheless is support for IDLE being planned in > tinymail. (Condstore, STARTTLS and Binary are already implemented by the > way). > > I very recently started playing a little bit with the SyncML API, and > since it's not very difficult to get something basic working I might > implement some support for this sooner or later too. Yes, this would be amazingly stellar for mobile apps. It appears that messaging is a big missing piece right now, so tinymail with some extensions would be an amazing opportunity in the messaging arena. What is the current extensibility of tinymail? How could we go about adding SMS support to tinymail to treat it like a first class piece of mail? Jon > ps. I will be at FOSDEM so if you see me, feel free to ask me any > question about tinymail. > -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2-3 parallel solution to choose by the user? Re: Any, alternative ideas to fullscreen popup-messages?
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 16:55 -0600, Jonathon Suggs wrote: > Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > > Do you really want e.g. the "incoming phone" confirmation dialog behave > > like that? > > [more notification strategies] > > ... > > I understand your point, I just think that this kind of thinking is not > > what the majority of smartphone users wants or is it? Guys? > > I think Mickey is right about the "majority." When I get a phone call, > 97.842% of the time it is the most important thing that is happening and > should be treated as such (almost fullscreen pop-up with VERY large, > easy to press with a finger buttons [ANSWER] [IGNORE] (or whatever they > would say)) > > Now, do I want all pop-ups like that? Probably not. I really like the > idea of the 'footer' being able to "stack" several notifications that I > can review at my convenience. > > Moving right along, I think a good way to proceed is to have a system > API for creating notifications. You can give them different levels, > priorities or whatever you want to call them. But so long as there is a > generic way to create them (and all applications use that API) then > exactly how they are displayed can be customized by the user. The > default setting can be the 2/3 screen pop-up. But it could be overridden... > > -Jonathon There are already systems for doing these notifications: http://www.galago-project.org I know there are more solutions than this as well, but ideally we can use what already exists on the desktop and help add to respective projects' functionality for net gain. Jon > ______ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Please no crossposting! Re: Information regarding the Messaging Support in OpenMoko
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 14:05 +0100, Harald Welte wrote: > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 01:49:36PM +0100, Robert Michel wrote: > > > I'm just a listmember, but maybe my answer will help you. > > The core developers are very busy at the moment so everybody > > has to use patience when things will be published. > > exactly, thanks. > > > AFAIK when the first Neo1973 will be shipped to devleopers in > > February/March SMS function will be running. > > I don't think that EMS and MMS is limmted by hardware, so > > it will be a question of time when this will be running as well. > > We don't consider MMS as something that the typical user of the Neo1973 > would use anyway. We have SMS, and we have GPRS for services like ICQ, > Jabber, e-mail and the like. > > If somebody in the community wants to implement MMS, that's great. But > we don't see it as a core feature of the device. That's good to know. Also, who uses MMS? Seems like the typical user would just email and attach media and/or just s/ftp Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any alternative ideas to fullscreen popup-messages?
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 20:13 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Let's distinguish two types of popup-dialogs:
>
> a) informative (i.e. battery low, incoming sms, sms sent)
> b) confirmative ("Mickey calling. Answer / Ignore / Reject?", "Do you
> want to remove all contacts?")
>
> Right now, we're leaning towards (ab)using the bottom status bar (in
> openmoko-language called 'footer') for informative dialogs and using
> half screen (480x320) popup dialogs for confirmative.
>
> What do you think?
This sounds like a wise solution and also well thought out to usage. How
will multiple messages get dealt with? I like how notifications work in
GNOME and how they stack for informative messages.
For confirmative messages, this seems like it could work, but still
needs to be thought about if their is blocking allowed, and/or some type
of queue for dialogs and/or how will queued messages be shown in UI.
Mickey, has this been thought of and/if so, what solutions? Also, how
can we help more on this ?
Jon
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Re: OMG wiki license
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 23:31 -0500, Simon wrote: > I'm usually a big nitpicker on the legal side, but suspend that for a > moment and ask yourselves: is anybody who contributed to the wiki > going to want to sue FIC for importing the content into an official > wiki? I think that any major effort to restart the wiki is wasted > effort that could be better spent elsewhere, whether for OpenMoko > related activities or not. > > In any case, if you're going to get a license agreement on the wiki, > it does not belong in the editable part of pages, it belongs in the > edit UI as an agreement, i.e. "By submitting content to this wiki you > agree that you own the copyright for the submitted content, and agree > to release it under the GNU Free Documentation License.". That way > you don't have to waste effort putting a header on each page, and you > don't have to worry about the integrity of all of the headers. > However, I still don't think that there is a licensing issue with the > content of the wiki, since the only people contributing to it would be > extremely likely to be supportive of OpenMoko. Ok, legal stuff is very serious, however... Ok, another option, since a direct import is not probaby going to happen is to, once the new wiki is live, summarize and help build the new wiki using the temp one as guide, with the explicit directive that no copy-and-paste is allowed, however linking is ok. To all wiki-ppl out there, remember to always set-up licensing on your wiki prior to the start of your wiki. This is the easiest thing to do and saves the most time...cool? If so, then back to work, right ;) Jon > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: OMG wiki license
Ok, well I think there is some need for speed for doing this so all future contributions are legally clear. Ok, lets shoot for the end of the day monday to have converted the pages. Also, we need a wikiable gnu fdl statement to use that we can put on each page that is reworked. Dave, woule you like to take a stab at that? Jon -Original Message- From: "David Schlesinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Richard Franks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "OpenMoko" Sent: 1/27/2007 2:09 PM Subject: RE: OMG wiki license This all seems reasonable and appropriate as a way to move forward... In fact, there's no particular real-world danger of a "legal case". First of all, no one stands to make or lose any money on the content in question, so any action would be purely symbolic. Secondly, the way to start if one wished to exercise one's control over one's own material would be to send a "cease and desist" message to whomever ran the wiki to have the material taken down or better-attributed or whatever... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Richard Franks Sent: Sat 1/27/2007 1:42 PM To: OpenMoko Subject: Re: OMG wiki license On 1/27/07, Jon Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't see a legal case being made out of this. > > Right, but better to protect ourselves. Also, companies, like > FIC/OpenMoko have to take every precaution. So, if we want our content > included, we need to be cautious as well. Agreed - but I think the risk here is so minimal, that we can decide upon a license and push the deadline back one week, which would give contributors a chance to add the new license to their own pages. Pros: * We may get revised/improved/edited content by increasing the number of people involved. * Intent or nuance will not be accidentally changed. > I also thought about going through and deleting a page, putting a GNU > FDL 1.2 statement at the top of the page, and then summarizing/redoing > the old content. This way, any future contributions are protected. > > Cool? Yet again, I propose we do this at 11:59 PM PST SAT JAN 27 so we > can knock this out. > > What do you think? Unless we have any parties - FIC, individual contributors or editors - who feel that extending that deadline by one week would be putting them under additional risk, then I'd say +1 week is an appropriate response to a pragmatic estimate of the extreme unlikelihood of the occurrence or significance of the threat. Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: about those new lists . . .
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 16:04 -0500, Pius A. Uzamere II wrote: > So, Sean, can you create some sublists now? (e.g. openmoko-dev, > openmoko-freedom) People have floated the idea quite a bit, but this > isn't a float . . . this is a direct request from a relatively new > member of the community. > > While I do believe that the issues of freedom and licensing are > germane to the community, I'm truly concerned that we're getting to a > point where people who should be working together to make this project > one of the greatest achievements in open source history are instead > alienating other contributors with inane bickering. > > All due respect to the people who've been arguing these (seriously) > very important issues, but do you really think that a 3-5 e-mail > rebuttal sequence about the respective creation dates of the BSD and > GNU licenses is helping the community? Even if you do, surely you'd > agree that it'd be useful to take such detailed discussions about > licensing to some other non-general area. > > Anyway, PLEASE let's create some sublists so that we don't screw up > something with the potential to make a real impact. > > Here's hoping someone's listening, > Pius Hey all, let me highlight a couple of things. First all, the last thing any project would want is to put bickering and negativity onto *any* infrastructure (new lists, wikis, etc). Rather, we should strive for a positive community and police ourselves and each other. Also, I would recommend any conflicts and personal issues, arguments and discussions that seem even the slightest bit rude, should be dealt with offlist. This is just how things are best dealt with in open source. If anyone would like to read more on one of the best ways to deal with with problems on open source projects, please read the poisonous people notes: http://www.red-bean.com/dav/presentations/Poisonous-people.pdf http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:6Ke6wtj_nGcJ:www.red-bean.com/dav/presentations/Poisonous-people.pdf+poisonous+people&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1 Otherwise, let's work together, keep discussions relevant about OpenMoko project (generally), and be just as civil as we would demand in real life, but here in virtual life :) Also, yes, when discussions go pretty off-topic, it is a good idea to take these ideas to the appropriate places, such as licensing lists, etc. And, we should all encourage this in the most civil and positive ways. Also, I would like to note that part of the issue is that there is not one solid thing for everyone to work on *yet*, and hence, the random and various personal opinions take over (and I've seen this many times). Thus, we need to police ourselves, be extra positive towards each others, and deal with conflict privately, offlist when it happens. The consequences are a bad, negative project that no one will want to be a part of. Let's work together! :) Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OMG wiki license
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 12:25 -0500, Richard Franks wrote: > I think this is all a bit overkill. I don't see any license other than > the description "this mailing list is for open discussion and > feedback", for this mailing list.. yet these potentially copyrightable > messages are mirrored by openmoko.com, gmane, etc. > > Why isn't everyone being sued? Right, there are many issues, but lets just focus on the wiki right now ;) > In our case, the source was either: > a) An intentional email sent without copyright notice, to a > membership-unknown public mailing list, with full knowledge that it > would be stored and made freely available. > b) An intentional edit made to a freely accessible public wiki. > > I don't see a legal case being made out of this. Right, but better to protect ourselves. Also, companies, like FIC/OpenMoko have to take every precaution. So, if we want our content included, we need to be cautious as well. > Why don't we take a snapshot of the current wiki, and reword the > content into a new licensed wiki? It's less work than doing everything > all over again, we lose no contributions, and it's an opportunity to > reorganise a bit. > > I'll volunteer to do a chunk of that work if we go that route. > > Richard Yes, this is an option. Who is related to opentogo? And/or, what is the best way to go about this approach. I also thought about going through and deleting a page, putting a GNU FDL 1.2 statement at the top of the page, and then summarizing/redoing the old content. This way, any future contributions are protected. Cool? Yet again, I propose we do this at 11:59 PM PST SAT JAN 27 so we can knock this out. What do you think? Jon > > On 1/27/07, David Schlesinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On 1/27/07 3:26 AM, "Jon Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 16:21 +0100, Harald Welte wrote: > > >> On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 07:29:47AM -0500, Richard Franks wrote: > > >>> then there is no copyright issue as the contributors have implicitly > > >>> put their words into the public domain? > > > > > > This is not true and for sure in the US, where the instant someone > > > contributes, their contribution is governed under copyright. > > > > Correct. You can't "implicitly" put anything into the public domain under US > > copyright law: you'd have to make a specific and concrete declaration to do > > so, or (more usually) simply wait for the copyright on it to expire... > > > > If you're interesting in folding all the Wiki content under the FDL, and you > > want to avoid running afoul of potential copyright entanglements, you're > > going to have to start over from scratch, I believe. > > > > You're also going to need to have each participant explicitly agree > > (probably when their account is created) to get explicit agreement that they > > abandon any interests they hold in any content they create on the site and > > assign copyright to such content to "The OpenMoko Project" or whatever. You > > might well also want a statement to the effect that any content they submit > > must not be derivative of material held under copyright elsewhere and be > > free of other encumbrances, etc., etc... > > > > This could get complicated, see...? > > > > > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OMG wiki license
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 16:21 +0100, Harald Welte wrote: > On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 07:29:47AM -0500, Richard Franks wrote: > > then there is no copyright issue as the contributors have implicitly > > put their words into the public domain? This is not true and for sure in the US, where the instant someone contributes, their contribution is governed under copyright. > Public domain only exists in the UK/US common law countries. > > I for example, as a German citizan, cannot put something into the public > domain - unless my copyrigt expires some decades after my death. Yes, this is a murky area. I agree with Harold. However, public domain does not apply to this. > So, yes, I firmly believe it is problematic to copy that old content > into the new official wiki. Yes, this is true. And, we need to correct this somehow. I will outline below. Basically, the problem with the current temp wiki is that there is no license declaration, which means the content is controlled by copyright of each author. To make it more problematic, there is no required login, so it is very difficult to track these authors down. Thus, there are a few possibilities, that we can weigh in on. 1.) restart the wiki using GFDL 1.2 license and delete the current content. Then, the authors who created the previous content can login and add this content that they created to the wiki (which can be compared via diffs). And, all content from that point forward would be licensed under GFDL 1.2, as long as that statement is on every single page. 2.) Make a relicense agreement which would require every single person who has contributed to sign (which is also very unlikely because we don't have the full capability to match nonlogins (only IPs are recorded) with names. Thus, this type of agreement would be nearly impossible. I think the best step is #1, with a complete deletion of the old content on the wiki and the authors who have contributed can go back through the wiki and re-add the content that they added that is an original contribution and not a derivative of an old work. The most important part is that there needs to be a license declaration for the GNU FDL 1.2 license on every page. What do you all think about this? Yes, this sucks, but it is better to set a time to do this and just do it. There is another option suggested of authors, when the time to move over content to the official wiki comes, then authors move their own contributions over. This is problematic because authors have made derivatives of others works and certain contributions are dependent on others. However, there haven't been than many additive contributions, so I still think #1 above is the best option. Harold and others, what do you think? At least that way, not all is lost ;( If you all agree, lets set a time, say SAT 27th, 11:59 PM PST to delete and note the license on the wiki pages to restart this. I can do the honors. Jon > The official wiki will, in the spirit of Wikipedia (and for > compatibility) be using GFDL 1.2. Yes, then I think the temp wiki should use GFDL 1.2 license as well so content can move over to the new one. Jon > Cheers, -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Register article
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 21:17 +0100, slubman wrote: > Another article about OpenMoko on a tech site. This one talk about the > OpenMoko interface compared to iPhone one. > > The link : > http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/smartphones/openmoko-smartphone-did-they-have-a-time-machine-or-what-229243.php > FYI, I added this to the press section (which is a great thing to do rather than post here as these are getting numerous)... http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/PressCoverage Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko development environment (was: Re: Built in PIM app source?)
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 22:15 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Sencer wrote: > > >> I would also like to see some type of tutorial for a 'hello world' on the > >> neo, or if there's an emulator available right now, it'd be nice to play > >> with. > > > > This should get you started: > > http://www.gtk.org/tutorial/ > > I've started a page on the wiki to gather information of this sort. Please > add to it, > and if anyone can think of a better way to organize this info please have at > it: > > http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/QuestionsAndAnswers > > Michael > Cool Michael, I also added some of this info on the software page under development tools section. There is much that could be documented in advance of the software/hardware release on feb 11. Great! Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Next build env step (Was: Let us not forget to give every new one a *very* warm welcome - Let us write a welcome message to all new subscriber! How....)
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 14:23 +0100, Rodolphe Ortalo wrote: > Agreed. > > Also, it seems to me that we are starting to feel the need for a > development-oriented mailing list. > E.g., thanks to some previous messages on this list, I did my homework > this week-end to setup an OpenEmbedded build environment and (probably) > managed to build some targets (nano, gpe-today, gpe-image and the like); > but I'd like some more advice if possible now: how to check that the > binaries I built are somehow operational, at least on the building host, > maybe on a hardware emulator? Etc., etc. > That's not top-level development, but (IMHO of course) it would be nice > to have such topics separated from more general ones. Yes, I agree, there needs to be another list like [EMAIL PROTECTED] to split out the dev. discussion from the community discussion, as it has scaled pretty high. Also, I think pooling up this type of intro discussions on the temp. wiki is great to point people to the new FAQ on the temp wiki. Jon > Rodolphe > > Le lundi 22 janvier 2007 à 13:02 +0100, Robert Michel a écrit : > > Salve Jose and all new or old subscriber of this list! > [...] > > One welcome message, written by us - maybe as webpage > > on openmoko.org and/or welcome mail for all new subscriber > > of the list would be a good thing - IMHO. > [...] > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sync from Kalendar/Address to KDEPIM
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 09:59 +0100, Sven Neuhaus wrote: > Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > > We're working with Funambol on SyncML and (soon) push email. > > A decent IMAP mail client with IMAP IDLE support would be sweet. > > -Sven Hello, please help keep a list of these types of things on the sync topic on the temp wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Software Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: article in Linux Weekly News, and nice comments
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 22:35 +0100, Marc Verwerft wrote: > > On 1/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > Did that one just come out? I thought I saw that a week or two > ago. I can't > remember for sure (it's at home, and I'm not), but I thought > the picture was > the same one that's on the linuxdevices website: > >http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2986976174.html > > Thanks for the link. I hadn't seen it yet. > > Don't be surprised. In live in Belgium so they have to send it over by > mail over the UK. I can imagine it's earlier on yuor side of the > world ;-) Heya guys, please add your thoughts to the press section of the temp wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/PressCoverage Jon > > > Dying to get one! > > Me too! My birthday was yesterday, and I "gave" myself a Neo > 1973. I will > celebrate my birthday when it arrives. > > The real fun will start when we start developing creative > apps. Look how > imaginative this list has been with no hardware in hand. How > much more so when > we do! > > My hat is off to FIC and OpenMoko. > > My opinion too. They deserve a big 'THANK YOU, GUYS' > > > To future fun, > Michael > > Cheers, > > Marc. > > > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phone for the blind
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 22:48 +0100, Marcus Bauer wrote: > On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 02:48 +0530, Warren Noronha wrote: > > > Is there a text to speech feature planned. > > festival (flite) is in openembedded, thus most likely it will be > available in openmoko very soon, too. The same goes for sphinx (speech > to text). > > > I ask this cause a while back a friend of mine > > who works with the blind, was looking out for phone to for his > > students (who are blind) > > SUN has been doing lots of a11y (accessibility) work on GNOME. Imho the > a11y group sits in Ireland. I'm sure they'd like to see the fruits of > their work on a phone as well. > > As Terrence Barr from SUN is hanging out on the list, maybe he could > make a contact? I think a fully accessible phone would just be an awsome > proof of the strength of open source! > > If you need some names from the a11y SUN people, just ping me. > > Marcus Great idea guys, please add your accessibility thoughts here: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Accessibility Jon > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Use headphone output as a remote control (infrared: control TV, stereo, etc)
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 17:13 -0800, Pranav Desai wrote: > On 1/19/07, MartinG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This might have been suggested before, if so - ignore it ;) > > > > The idea is simply to use the (stereo) mini jack sound output of the > > Neo to control two infrared leds, in order to control whatever device > > that can be controlled by a remote control. Why two leds and stereo? I > > guess this is required in order to reach the high frequency > > conventional remote controls use. > > Read more here: > > > > http://features.engadget.com/2004/07/27/how-to-turn-your-ipod-in-to-a-universal-infrared-remote-control/ > > > > that is cool !! > > I had heard of ppl using the treo 650 as remote with the addon IR > transmitter, but this is much nicer ... > It will be great if we can get something similar for the Neo1973. > Cool, please add your idea to our idea space on the temp wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Ideas Jon > -- Pranav > > > > Does anyone know if this would be possible with the sound module in the > > Neo1973? > > > > Maybe an idea for the "Neo extras" store? > > > > best regards, > > looking forward to whatever-date-in-february > > > > -MartinG > > > > _______ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Alternative input, like Dasher
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 01:56 +0100, Ulrik Rasmussen wrote: > 20 words? That's actually a pretty acceptable speed I think. I can achieve > about 30 words per minute on a regular cell phone, so I can imagine it will > be possible to get there with quickscript or similar, through practice. > > I've been playing a little with an idea I had, so I tried putting something > together in javascript and php, to see what it would feel like. I believe an > approach like this would result in some nice speeds too, after some practice: > http://hwiz.dk/moko/ . > > -Ulrik Hello, please add these ideas to the wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Software Jon > Derek Pressnall wrote: > > Quoting Ulrik Rasmussen: > > > Do you know how many words/characters per minute it is possible to > achieve? > > > > I ran some tests a while ago, using the Zaurus version of quikscript, > > here's what I posted to a zaurus forum at the time (based on my > > personal results): > > > > : 1) Handwriting recognition: barely 5 - 7 words a minute, due to > > recognition inacuracies > > : 2) On-screen keyboard: about 15 - 20 words a minute > > : 3) Quickscript: Just achieved 20 words a minute, and still improving > > : 4) Hardware keyboard: 30 - 35 words a minute > > : 5) Normal computer keyboard: 85 - 100 words a minute. > > > > This was after using quikscript for about a couple weeks or so, and > > entering some standard typing speed tests (i.e., "the quick brown fox > > jumps over the lazy yellow dog"). I would expect quikscript to end up > > closer to 30 - 40 words a minute with continued practice (however I > > don't take notes too often on a pda anymore). > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko devices and Mac OS X
On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 16:06 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > >> > >> As in, GNUStep? That's an interesting thought. > > Ah, I forgot to mention it is not only a thought... > > mySTEP is an FOSS project for the Sharp Zaurus that is only waiting > for appropriate open Linux based mobile phone hardware to come :-) > > Please inform yourself at http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php? > page=mySTEP well, this thread is really long, but we are going to have the same compatibility/synchronization discussions, thus we need to channel these thoughts here since there are so many platforms: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Software Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Text input, OpenMoko and Tengo
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 13:28 -0500, Simon wrote: > Has anyone else posted this to the mailing list? > > http://www.strout.net/info/ideas/hexinput.html Heya, could you all channel your thoughts and ideas onto the wiki about this: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Software Jon > > > Jon Phillips > > San Francisco, CA > USA PH 510.499.0894 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.rejon.org > > MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto > Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Featured on Slashdot
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 12:39 -0700, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Jan 20, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Jon Levell wrote: > > Just a quick note to say that the announcement this morning (with the > > schedule) is currently on the front page of slashdot.org > > W00t! That'll be a nice post-IETF present! :') Cool. Can you add this to the wiki's press list: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/PressCoverage Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: About GPS, points of interest (and map data)
On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 09:04 +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > > Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > At Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:47:53 +0100, > > Pierre Hébert wrote: > >> In the same idea it would be great if the Neo could help us build a > >> shared geographic database. With a Neo and a software assistant we could > >> mark streets, crossroad as we are walking. Of course building a GIS > >> requires a lot more work than building a database of POI, but with > >> thousands of Neo in a big city (or perhaps millions soon ;-) ) I guess > >> that such database will grow rapidly ! > > > > I think you're looking for this: > > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org > > I heard about this site a few days ago, so I contacted an ex-coworker in > our local council to find out the local situation - he moved from the > mapping field into the IT field. Here is his reply: > > "Our cadastre is stored in a MS SqlSvr relational database, and is > accessed and controlled by ESRI's Spatial Database Engine (SDE). Data > may be exported to various formats, including, I believe, XML, but many > years ago Council sold reproduction rights to NSW Land Information > Centre (LIC, although I believe that the name has changed) for a tidy > sum and rights to use their data for our own purposes." > > My betting is that most mapping generating bodies have seen the dollars > and done the same. Sigh... GPS and mapping is a great usage of openmoko. So much so, that we should detail what Open solutions exist here: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Software I have hacked a bit on the cairo-based Roadster: http://cairographics.org/Roadster Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: US discount cell phone plans?
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 23:56 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: > Dylan Semler writes: > >On 1/20/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Since I'll be buying this phone, is anyone aware of a provider in the > >> US who will give a discount on a plan if you don't get a phone with > >> it? > > > > > >Speaking of US providers, since the phone is GSM, are cingular and T-mobile > >our only options? I'm not too familiar with which carriers use which > >technology. > > wikipedia has a list of providers and technologies at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_phone_companies > A brief look gives the impression that T-Mobile and Cingular (which is > renaming itself AT&T) seem to be the only major ones. Heya, I put down what I know for USA coverage here: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Providers Can others help fill this out internationally please :) Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: exchange email?
On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 11:21 -0500, David Ford wrote: > The term "Push email" comes from a client signing on to the server and > issuing a "look for ..." instruction to the server. Also known as > idling or long-delay poll. > > The logic of it is to have the client only issue new "look for ..." > instructions when those instructions change, and until the client > disconnects, the server should send "i have new ..." responses whenever > it figures out there is new mail. Following that, the client says > "gimme" and all are happy. > > The only problem with this is NAT traversal where a busy firewall ages > the oldest idle connections. To combat this, developers make the client > issue "look for ..." rather frequently if such behavior is discovered. > Some developers however just play the safe route and always issue the > "look for ..." instructions periodically. > > In effect, the logic of this isn't really changed from the original > design. It's just done a bit differently. Some of it is really just > the marketing aspect. Aunt Millie doesn't grok the protocol. She just > sees the "new feature!" printed boldly on a high priced M$ product box :) > > The only truth in advertising, is that there is rarely truth in advertising. David, could you help move this discussion to the software page on our temp wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Software Others, can you help as well...figuring out software that already exists will help the project. Jon > -david > > David Schlesinger wrote: > > > > >Microsoft "push email" isn't push at all. If you read the > > >specifications, it's just another method of polling a server to > > >determine if and what segments of new content is ready for transfer. > > > > I think this is true for the "Outlook Web Access" interface which, for > > instance, Evolution (and Pocket Outlook on Windows Mobile 5!) use. > > There's some sort of back-end interface which Outlook 2003 and > > Entourage can take advantage of with an Outlook Server; I'm not sure > > whether whatever they do there qualifies as "true push email" or not... > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: porting PalmOS apps?
On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 10:30 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: > Paul Bohme writes: > > > >> Making legacy apps written for the "Garnet" OS (née "Palm OS") run on Linux > >> is decidedly non-trivial. An emulator for this is going to be part of the > >> ACCESS Linux Platform... > >> > > > >Interesting - so an emulator for the old 68k stuff? > > Yes. Their mockup of the interface shows the icon for "Palm OS" > with the letters POS on it. Somehow, I don't think that was an > accident. > Heya, since this is going to be an often talked about topic, I created some stubs for this here: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Software It would be great to detail your efforts Joe, Paul and David on this. Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power for USB Host
On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 06:44 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: > Mikko Rauhala writes: > >la, 2007-01-20 kello 23:25 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer kirjoitti: > >> Simon writes: > >> >keep in mind, you'll only get USB 1.1 speeds :( > >> > >> Unfortunate, but I'll take it. Actually, I'm curious as to why that > >> decision was made... but I'll take it. > > > >It's been mentioned here before; the SoC handles the USB, and it's only > >capable of 1.1. As to why not a spiffier SoC, well, I just assume > >keeping the costs reasonable has something to do with it :] > > Ah, I'd missed that earlier comment. Having built a couple of devices > around ST7 microes before (which also only supports 1.1), I should > have anticipated it. Would one of you take the lead in documenting this topic on the wiki hardware section? http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Hardware Jon > -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free Your Phone
On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 23:21 +, Dave Crossland wrote: > On 21/01/07, David Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > p.s. it's religious and for every one that feels GNU should be the sole > > title bearer, there is another that feels they should not. > > No one is advocating that GNU be the *sole* title bearer, although > plenty of people are advocating that Linux be the sole title bearer. > > For the GNU Project to claim credit for the kernel would be unfair, > just as for the Linux kernel project to claim credit for the operating > system is also unfair. Hey guys, please channel your thoughts onto the wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko While all interesting, we should keep the list on point with openmoko devel. talk :) And also collect your opinions and thoughts to make this project robust... Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: upgrade options for early adopters
On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 14:57 -0500, Andrew Turner wrote: > This is a thought that seems inspired by other "early adopter" > programs like Nokia's N770 internet tablet, which was just superseded > by the N800, with new OS versions not backwards compatible. Therefore, > the devs & users of the Rev1 device are left to purchase, for full > price, the new version to keep up to speed. > > However, Nokia is offering 500 units for 99 Euro to 'select' > developers, yet to be announced. > > The new version does incorporate many suggestions by devs - but the > path for this was not clear. I think OpenMoKo could learn a lot by > looking how the rollout and support the N770 has gone over the past > year, both good and bad aspects (mostly good) > > Andrew Heya guys, could you hash out your upgrade options on the public temp. wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko That way you will give the openmoko ppl. something to work with. Jon > On 1/21/07, David Schlesinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >I would love to have one, incl. a voting schema for hardware features ;-) > > > > The phrase "designed by committee" is occurring to me right about now... > > > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How licensing discussions can tear communities apart
On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 21:02 +1030, Rod Whitby wrote: > When I first started the NSLU2-Linux (www.nslu2-linux.org) project 2.5 > years ago, I explicitly banned all discussion of licensing on the > mailing list (nslu2-linux is a mixture of mostly GPL and MIT licenses, > but also has some proprietary Intel licensed microcode due to the hardware). > > Why did I do that? > > Because I saw how devastating licensing discussion wars can be to a > community when I was part of the Linksys WRT54G custom firmware > development community. There were *death* *threats* made over licensing > disagreements in that community. Do you really want to repeat that? > > I plead with the administrators of this mailing list to put the same ban > in effect here (or for the subscribers to put such a voluntary code of > conduct into effect). The intended licensing and manifesto of OpenMoko > has been clearly spelled out at the inception of the project. Let's > leave it at that and not rip this community apart before it has even > properly formed. > > -- Rod Whitby > -- NSLU2-Linux Project Lead I think limiting any discussion is like limiting free speech, where do you ever draw the line. Rather, let's move this type of discussion to the wiki where people can hack it out ad infinatum and let developers do what developers do best: dream and hack. http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WiFi
On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 16:25 +0100, Tomasz Zielinski wrote: > 2007/1/21, Tom Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I'm new to the list, so I don't know whether this was already discussed, but > > I'm surprised (and a bit sorry) that the OpenMoKo spec doesn't include WiFi > > Whoa, you are right! Nobody noticed this thing before you mentioned it! NOTE to all, when newbies come on the list, it is good to just point them directly to the wiki pages where these things are outlined (as was done towards the end of this thread). Also, if the info doesn't exist, it is good to help outline on the wiki but get the new person to finish (to gain a contributor)...the ole bait on the tackle trick :) Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introduction, involvement, etc.
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 01:08 -0700, Thought Fix wrote: > Hey OpenMoko community. > I had the pleasure of meeting Sean at [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s at CES. Since > there has been a bit of cross-linking from this list to my Nokia > Internet Tablet blog (and specifically the hacks therein and the Agere > BluOnyx article) I thought I'd jump in and say "hello" and see if the > OpenMoko phone is something to which I could contribute. > > To be clear: I am not a programmer. I've been a Linux hacker for a > while, especially in embedded devices. The Zaurus SL-5500 was my first > Linux handheld, then I had Opie on an iPaq and now I focus on the > Nokia Internet Tablets. I find hacks and software, figure out how to > operate them, then write howto's in my blogs. > > Is this something that the OpenMoko community could use? > > ---Dan > ThoughtFix > > http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com > http://ultramobilegeek.com Hi Dan, right now there is not much released beyond information, but hopefully you could channel your ideas onto our temp wiki here: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko Also, blogging about the project and keeping its community active are great projects to support openmoko. Cool? Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sean's Aim...
excluded since they don't/won't/can't spend the money". > > The advantage of a formal program is that it is very easy to > create an > "informal" program. FIC/Some Vendor/Somebody can easily > "sponsor" a > developer. I.e. Somebody buys one of these units and shows > they they > rock, someone can step up and help them out. I've already > seen stuff > about "getting units in the hand of select developers"... > > The single hardest think in open source development is > "keeping the eye > on the ball". Everyone has their own pet thing, and ensuring > that the > overall project is not derailed by a single aspect is > incredibly hard. > I think the recent thread regarding WiFi is an excellent > example. > > The communities biggest challenge will be getting applications > done and > fielded at the best possible rate. "Someone" is going to have > to take a > lead role and try to identify the applications that have the > biggest > need from the myriad of great ideas. A little focus goes a > long way in > getting things DONE. > > Well, I've babbled enough for now. :) > > -seg > Steve Grevemeyer > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki + Mailing List
On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 15:17 -0700, Corey wrote: > On Sunday 21 January 2007 14:20, Ted Lemon wrote: > > I think that if the discussion here can be tolerated, it's > > better because it's cross-pollinating. > > > Generally speaking, what helps on mailing lists is actually two- > > fold. > > > First, we need to exercise restraint. > > > part of what perpetuates debate is people feeling that the issue > > is still open. > > > So maybe we just have to endure for a while. I suspect this will > > settle out a bit once people have hardware in their hands > > > > Very well stated. > > This list is still experiencing its growing pains, and there's always > random bursts of chaos in any healthy public forum. > Yes, please focus ideas onto the temp wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/ Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sean interview
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 08:40 +0100, Tomasz Zielinski wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRvtAAXTIlg > Nothing new, but still worth watch :-) Please add this to the temp wiki. Also, the same goes for anyone else who finds press. This will cut-down on bandwidth on the list, but still collect your contribution: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/PressCoverage Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Signal-to-noise ratio
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 00:02 -0800, Jon Phillips wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 08:37 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > > Dnia poniedziałek, 22 stycznia 2007 04:51, Corey napisał: > > > > > On Sunday 21 January 2007 20:43, Greg Tada wrote: > > > > I'd like to help out this project, I really would. But when zealots > > > > like Renaissance Man (Who calls themselves that? Yeah that's not > > > > pretentious at all) et al hijack this list for their own religious > > > > soapboxing, I don't have time to filter through all of the crap. > > > > > > I'll come back later when this crap ends. > > > > > Troll alert. > > > > No, it is not troll alert. > > > > This mailing list became worse and worse during last two weeks. Nearly > > each longer thread goes into OffTopic discussion, more and more flamewars > > (Linux <> GNU/Linux in 'Free your phone' is best example). All of that > > makes this list really hard to read. > > Heya guys, lots of discussion is a great thing! It is great to have > general discussion which means we are all hitting on something needed. > > > During last days I look at threads, check who wrote something new and > > usually select 'mark all 60 mails as read' because I do not see > > interesting authors. From time to time I read one or two threads to find > > out what about thread is and mark it as 'worth reading' so next mails > > will get read by me. > > > I hope that openmoko-devel will get open soon to new subscribers and that > > there will be someone who will have power to remove trolls from it. > > Well, I would challenge you all to contribute to the list constructively > and positively help newbies to start collaborating. > > Since there is no wiki, I'm offering up my wiki space for any and all > people to focus their energy. As soon as there is a public wiki, then I > will move that content over there to seed it... > > http://rejon.org/wiki/OpenMoko Oh, please excuse me as I didn't realize someone else beat me to the punch: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/ Let's get these discussion constructive so that when the project goes online, ppl. are online and if nothing happens with the project, at least that content is on-line and others can learn from it (I'm not being negative, but global in thinking)... Jon > Jon > -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Signal-to-noise ratio
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 08:37 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > Dnia poniedziałek, 22 stycznia 2007 04:51, Corey napisał: > > > On Sunday 21 January 2007 20:43, Greg Tada wrote: > > > I'd like to help out this project, I really would. But when zealots > > > like Renaissance Man (Who calls themselves that? Yeah that's not > > > pretentious at all) et al hijack this list for their own religious > > > soapboxing, I don't have time to filter through all of the crap. > > > > I'll come back later when this crap ends. > > > Troll alert. > > No, it is not troll alert. > > This mailing list became worse and worse during last two weeks. Nearly > each longer thread goes into OffTopic discussion, more and more flamewars > (Linux <> GNU/Linux in 'Free your phone' is best example). All of that > makes this list really hard to read. Heya guys, lots of discussion is a great thing! It is great to have general discussion which means we are all hitting on something needed. > During last days I look at threads, check who wrote something new and > usually select 'mark all 60 mails as read' because I do not see > interesting authors. From time to time I read one or two threads to find > out what about thread is and mark it as 'worth reading' so next mails > will get read by me. > I hope that openmoko-devel will get open soon to new subscribers and that > there will be someone who will have power to remove trolls from it. Well, I would challenge you all to contribute to the list constructively and positively help newbies to start collaborating. Since there is no wiki, I'm offering up my wiki space for any and all people to focus their energy. As soon as there is a public wiki, then I will move that content over there to seed it... http://rejon.org/wiki/OpenMoko Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: iPhone vs. Neo1973 comparison
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 09:46 -0500, Paul Bohme wrote: > Jon Phillips wrote: > > I guess this is the perfect example of where you need infrastructure up > > on the openmoko.com website. I think having http://wiki.openmoko.org > > sooner rather than later would be good, otherwise, the community is > > already routing around this and putting content here and there... > > > > I created some on my wiki as well: http://rejon.org/wiki but I would > > rather consolidate onto the openmoko.org wiki ;) > > > > Sean, what do you think? It would be great to empower the community :) > > > > > > This was addressed (a few times) in the past - the devs involved are > focused on getting the product out, then will turn their attention to > consolidating ideas and such into a Wiki. Right now it would be more of > a drain on their resources than they can afford. > > Patience, friends.. ;-) Ok, just saying, its been announced, without, it happens anyway without focus and control of openmoko ;) Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: iPhone vs. Neo1973 comparison
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 11:46 +, Ole Tange wrote: > On 1/11/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1/10/07 5:30 AM, "Ole Tange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I have created a comparison between iPhone and Neo1973: > > > http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/iPhone > > > > Very cool! Thanks for taking the time to do this. The only thing I found is > > that micro-SD can go to 2GB now. (Or that's what my vendors tell me.) > > When your hands on a prototype could you maybe try to put in a 4 GB > module, just to see if that would work, too? > > You can probably get a 4 GB module here: > http://www.kingmaxdigi.com/news/news_product/news_p20070109.htm > > /Ole I guess this is the perfect example of where you need infrastructure up on the openmoko.com website. I think having http://wiki.openmoko.org sooner rather than later would be good, otherwise, the community is already routing around this and putting content here and there... I created some on my wiki as well: http://rejon.org/wiki but I would rather consolidate onto the openmoko.org wiki ;) Sean, what do you think? It would be great to empower the community :) Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 08:32 -0500, Gervais Mulongoy wrote: > another solution to that could be the use of scalable graphics the way > its done with svg or the way it is done in enlightenment. Exactly, this is one great solution and the way Apple and Microsoft are moving (also, why I am developer on Inkscape www.inkscape.org). Anyway, one platform for mobile devices is great! Solving the GUI issue is just a matter of theming mostly...that is simple! Consolidate or die is the new slogan in 2007 :) Jon > On 1/12/07, Tomasz Zielinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2007/1/12, Jon Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > the good news is that it can be generic enough to handle > > these different devices... > > The bad news is they all have different screen resolutions, > so > application for different screen size will loose 95% of > functionality, > regardless of applied workaround. > > Remember J2ME "standard". It's specification was way too wide > so it > accepted and tried to unify GUI for phones with ( i.e.) 72x96 > pixel and > 352x416 screens. We know how it ended - if you are mobile java > games > developer, you have to fork your project to gazillion > resolution/phone_vendor/phone_model combinations and support > every one > individually (and almost every mobile phone model has own set > of J2ME > implementation glitches). > > Windows CE and PocketPC also suffers - all non-standard > resolution > and/or screen orientation makes users cry. > > In fact only PalmOS had reasonable resolution - they simply > quadrupled > screen size from 160x160 to 320x320, which makes backward > compatibility a piece of cake. > > I wish OpenMoko will grow in monocultural hardware > environment, to > avoid mentioned problems too early... > > -- > Tomek Z. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
sion, > when we take 2 or 4 more weeks? > > :) > > So I'm very happy that the first version will have BT > :)) > Which kind of BT - version, class? > > And can somebody explain me if the chip/hardware could > limit the BT software/profile power, or would be everything > possible? like: > - stereo audio streaming (possible to or from the NEO?) > - multiple profiles simultanius? using BT keyboard and > BT headset at the same time? > > Cheers, > rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 10:19 +, Kenshin wrote: > If someone does indeed get Linux running on the iPhone, can we also > expect to have the freedom to install anything we want, including > OpenMoko? (it's FOSS right?) OpenMoko is a platform, thus it has the kernel and everything (if I understand correctly). So, one could hopefully install OpenMoko itself onto the iPhone, or a motorola phone, much like someone installs rockbox onto an iPod...the good news is that it can be generic enough to handle these different devices...that would be a boon for this movement...esp. with community-involvement. -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finally, iPhone annoused, also with multi-touch screen
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 09:41 +0100, Sven Neuhaus wrote: > Leira Hua wrote: > > when i saw it, i said: WOW, isn't it an OSX powered Neo? > > > > http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/ > > http://www.apple.com/iphone > > It's hot.. *but* apparently it has no handwriting recognition and it isn't > really a smartphone (see > http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/73213967/ ), because you > can't upload new applications to it. Quite the opposite of the Neo, despite > the similar appearance. What a difference a bit of software makes... > > Speaking about handwriting recognition software, will Neo ship with any? > Are there any free solutions available? Yeah, that apple iphone is locked down! It uses apple ipod dock connector, can't be upgraded, can't remove the battery, is locked into apple DRM, etc...blah... The openmoko project has a major opening here and vital that people publish about this lock-down on their blogs, etc. Jon > -Sven > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
