Re: tangoGPS, a new gps mapping software for the Neo
Hi Marcus, I saw your name on the FOSDEM schedule and will attend your conference :-) On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marcus, This looks very useful. I will try to test this out. Thanks very much for your contribution, Michael Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I wrote tangoGPS, a small but fast gps and mapping software for Openmoko/Neo. It uses openstreetmap.org maps, downloading them on demand and caching them. You can drag the map, zoom in and out and see your current position and track if a gps signal is available. In order to run it you must have gllin and gpsd installed and running. A working way for doing so is this gllin-script: --- #!/bin/sh killall ld-linux.so.2 killall gpsd mknod /tmp/nmeaNP p gpsd -n /tmp/nmeaNP cd /home/root/gllin lib/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path /home/root/gllin/lib:/home/root/gllin/usr/lib \ /home/root/gllin/gllin.real -low 5 21 /dev/null lib/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path /home/root/gllin/lib:/home/root/gllin/usr/lib \ /home/root/gllin/gllin.real -periodic 1 --- You can check gpsd by connecting to the port 2947 and then typing r, which should look similar to this: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ nc localhost 2947 r GPSD,R=1 $GPGGA,091823.00,4441.889619,N,00817.008749,E,1,04,3.0,066.0,M,0.313003 ,M,0.0190515,*49 $GPRMC,091823.00,A,4441.889619,N,00817.008749,E,000.0,150.0 ,040208,,,A*53 $GPGSV,3,1,11,16,75,244,24,21,50,054,21,18,43,106,34,06,29,094,21*73 $GPGSV,3,2,11,03,45,295,,07,28,095,,22,28,156,,19,17,283,*7A $GPGSV,3,3,11,24,11,050,,25,11,317,,29,07,094,*49 $GPGSA,A,3,06,16,18,21,6.7,3.0,6.0*3D . . . --- When this all works, you can start tangogps. Make sure your Neo is connected to the internet so that it can download maps. You can find a precompiled ipkg, more info and a video on http://www.tangogps.org/ Enjoy let me know if it is useful for you! Marcus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Patents and OpenMoko
I think that we all agree here that the patent system is completely broken. By filling patent, even for defense only, you are playing the rule. What I've seen so far is that small companies that cannot afford a lawyer department simply choose to ignore the rules and just ignore completely the patent system. In the essence of the law, as long as you don't obviously *stole* an idea, you 've nothing to fear. But the system has becomed crazy when you can infringe a patent without even knowing it. That's completly wrong with the moral behing patent itself ! Have you already tried to fill a patent ? Have you tried to make a study on prior art ? I did for a few weeks and I didn't succeed. All is patented ! All, completely ! Patents are as general as possible and cover everything you could believe. It's nearly patents for things that do stuffs. So whatever you do, you could be sued. I don't know the ressources of OpenMoko but patenting, writing and submitting is a full-time job ! It would be shame (IMHO) to waste ressources in this way. More : you have to fill the patents in different countries !!! As OpenMoko does Free software, doing this, even for defensive purpose, will have a terrible PR impact in the Free Softwware community. You have the opportunity to just move, to ignore those silly things and to build something new. On the other hand, if you are under a patent attack without any patents, I think that the Free Software Fundation gives legal help in that kind of case. I really hope that OpenMoko will not be covered by any patents. (but I'm sure that there's a patent for a device allowing wireless communication somewhere) On Feb 7, 2008 9:43 PM, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.patent-commons.org/ is the one that I'm aware of ... This is what I was referring to... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS, a new gps mapping software for the Neo
Hello, I'm highly interested in your software. I'm curious about a comparison with Maermo mapper. And also : how hard do you think it would be to port your TangoGPS to Maemo (Nokia N810) ? Great job ! On Feb 4, 2008 10:35 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I wrote tangoGPS, a small but fast gps and mapping software for Openmoko/Neo. It uses openstreetmap.org maps, downloading them on demand and caching them. You can drag the map, zoom in and out and see your current position and track if a gps signal is available. In order to run it you must have gllin and gpsd installed and running. A working way for doing so is this gllin-script: --- #!/bin/sh killall ld-linux.so.2 killall gpsd mknod /tmp/nmeaNP p gpsd -n /tmp/nmeaNP cd /home/root/gllin lib/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path /home/root/gllin/lib:/home/root/gllin/usr/lib \ /home/root/gllin/gllin.real -low 5 21 /dev/null lib/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path /home/root/gllin/lib:/home/root/gllin/usr/lib \ /home/root/gllin/gllin.real -periodic 1 --- You can check gpsd by connecting to the port 2947 and then typing r, which should look similar to this: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ nc localhost 2947 r GPSD,R=1 $GPGGA,091823.00,4441.889619,N,00817.008749,E,1,04,3.0,066.0,M,0.313003,M, 0.0190515,*49 $GPRMC,091823.00,A,4441.889619,N,00817.008749,E,000.0,150.0,040208,,,A*53 $GPGSV,3,1,11,16,75,244,24,21,50,054,21,18,43,106,34,06,29,094,21*73 $GPGSV,3,2,11,03,45,295,,07,28,095,,22,28,156,,19,17,283,*7A $GPGSV,3,3,11,24,11,050,,25,11,317,,29,07,094,*49 $GPGSA,A,3,06,16,18,21,6.7,3.0,6.0*3D . . . --- When this all works, you can start tangogps. Make sure your Neo is connected to the internet so that it can download maps. You can find a precompiled ipkg, more info and a video on http://www.tangogps.org/ Enjoy let me know if it is useful for you! Marcus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS, a new gps mapping software for the Neo
Thanks for the quick reply :-) So, if a I follow you, tango GPS and Maemo Mapper have the same exact goal (in terms of features). They only differ by their adaptation to their respective hardware ? I'm thinking about building a localisation-based feature both on OpenMoko and Maemo but with an high priority on Maemo. I have the following options : - Develop with Maemo Mapper then, later, port Maemo Mapper to OpenMoko - Develop with Maemo Mapper then, later, port my feature to TangoGPS - Port TangoGPS to Maemo then develop my feature in Tango GPS - Any other Open Source GPS application in the field ? However, I'm pleased to hear that porting is quite straightforward. I have no idea about compatibility between OpenMoko and Maemo apps. Thanks for the good job ! Lionel On Feb 4, 2008 11:25 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 10:51 +0100, Lionel Dricot wrote: I'm highly interested in your software. I'm curious about a comparison with Maermo mapper. And also : how hard do you think it would be to port your TangoGPS to Maemo (Nokia N810) ? Great job ! Quick answer: on a N810 you are happier with maemo-mapper, on the Neo with tangogps. You have more buttons on the N810 and a landscape screen, whereas the Neo uses portrait-mode. tangogps was designed to be fast and to be usable without hardware buttons. Before porting tangogps the code needs a good deal of clean-up but then a port is quite straightforward. However, you will want to adapt it to more buttons and landscape mode. If you want to port it, I will support you. However, for now I will focus my work on more features - yet a future port is possible. Marcus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?
Hello, I'm very interested by the Neo1973 and I was thinking about doing some hardware/software hacking on it. I have several questions. 1) I want to develop an application linked to a FM tuner (with data, like RDS). Any idea on how I could add a FM tuner on a neo 1973 ? Maybe with USB ? Or a chip that I could buy separately ? 2) Other harware question : is there a DSP in the Neo1973 ? I imagine some sound signal processing that would requires a DSP. I don't see how I could add a DSP afterward but any solution is welcome :-) 3) Last but not least : If I order my neo1973 today, when will I receive a) the 1973v1, b)the FreeRunner. I want to develop as quickly as possible and, if there is compatibility and that the v2 is too late, I don't mind buying a v1 now and a v2 later. Thanks in advance for your answers, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?
How about a dedicated radio box with separate batteries and remote control and sound via Bluetooth. Bluetooth has a audio profile, and adding a simple control port sounds not too impressive to me. It doesn't fit in my needs for RDS and TMC, unfortunatly :-( (or at least, I don't see how to do that. Any suggestion is of course welcome) Thanks for the suggestion, Lionel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
