Re: [CU] voting required

[Mathieu Rochette]

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Patryk Benderz wrote:
> Hello list,
>        As i have finished layout for DistributionBox templates, please take a
> look at [1] to see how DistributionBox would look like, which you like
> most and post your votes here or on wiki discussion page.
>        After lets say a week or two, we will count votes and winner will be
> included in coming CU as a template for distro - if any will be released
> of course :)
>        Anyone interested how template is constructed can take a look here [2].
>
> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Leadman
> [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Template:DistributionBox
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Hello,

I prefer the first template too. but is it possible to have the third
column (hardware/works) for that one ?

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Re: a new keyboard - discuss and critique

[Mathieu Rochette]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Marcel  wrote:

> But dict mode is useless for me if I want to write in german, and I didn't
> bother to find a german dict yet because they mostly don't contain slang
> anyway. This hold-until-magnifier-pops-up thing isn't too helpful because
> it takes ages to type something up with that. Hitting a key twice because
> the first hit wasn't exact is faster.^

I wasn't talking about the big magnifier, just the small in top of the
finger.
let
pi the probability you miss a key with illume keyboard,
pt the probability you miss a key with triangle keyboard,
ki the time to press a key with illume,
kt the time to press a key with triangle,
ei the time to cancel an error with illume,
et the time to cancel an error with triangle.

et = 0 and ei = ki

the average time to type the correct key is: t(p, k, e) = k + Sum (i = [1,
+inf], (k+e)*pi^i)
ti = t(pi, ki, ei)
tt = t(pt, kt, 0)

et = 0 and ei = ki

the remaining maths are left as an exercise for the reader (I'm at work now
and I don't remember how to do that) :p

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>
> Am Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 14:14:40 schrieb Mathieu Rochette:
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Marcel  wrote:
> > > I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it
> > > just works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting
> > > actually dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and
> > > having to backspace/stroke-left all the time, maybe even accidentally
> > > pressing other keys while doing that.
> >
> > with illume keyboard, if you use the dictionary mode, pressing another
> > key is not that annoying.
> > it is for other mode but the preview key (the key gone up when you
> > press it) give you good feedback about which key your in and you can
> > move your finger to correct if needed.
> > unless his keyboard print the key on finger press (instead of finger
> > up), you can not see if you hit a dead space or a key and so you can't
> > move your finger to correct it, you have to make another try.
> >
> > > --
> > > Marcel
> > >
> > > Am Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 13:53:46 schrieb Yorick Moko:
> > > > i'm still undecided...
> > > > although i agree it is far more annoying to hit the wrong key
> > > > instead of no key
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Joseph Reeves
> > > > 
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines
> > > > >> together inverted to each other?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the fact that it's not like you describe the whole idea
> > > > > of the design ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Go to the page on El Reg and try and type your name by pushing
> > > > > your monitor. It's stupid, yes, but it gives you an idea of how
> > > > > it would work. It seems, without any feedback, to be very nice.
> > > > > The fact that all the triangles are orientated the same way means
> > > > > you get a huge area of triangular free space around each key,
> > > > > that lets you mash at them without accidentally hitting another.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think it's about training your hands as others have said,
> > > > > it's about providing a key with a lot of free space around it -
> > > > > effectively you've made the key bigger (because you can hit any
> > > > > are around it and "sort of" hit the right one without mis-hitting
> > > > > another) whilst keeping the overall size very small.
> > > > >
> > > > > Its genius is its simplicity.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joseph
> > > > >
> > > > > 2009/6/3 neove...@freerunner :
> > > > >> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines
> > > > >> together inverted to each other?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> > > > >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> i'm not tot

Re: a new keyboard - discuss and critique

[Mathieu Rochette]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Marcel  wrote:

> I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it just
> works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting actually
> dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and having to
> backspace/stroke-left all the time, maybe even accidentally pressing other
> keys while doing that.
>
with illume keyboard, if you use the dictionary mode, pressing another key
is not that annoying.
it is for other mode but the preview key (the key gone up when you press it)
give you good feedback about which key your in and you can move your finger
to correct if needed.
unless his keyboard print the key on finger press (instead of finger up),
you can not see if you hit a dead space or a key and so you can't move your
finger to correct it, you have to make another try.

>
> --
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>
> Am Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 13:53:46 schrieb Yorick Moko:
> > i'm still undecided...
> > although i agree it is far more annoying to hit the wrong key instead
> > of no key
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Joseph Reeves 
> wrote:
> > >> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines
> > >> together inverted to each other?
> > >
> > > I think the fact that it's not like you describe the whole idea of
> > > the design ;)
> > >
> > > Go to the page on El Reg and try and type your name by pushing your
> > > monitor. It's stupid, yes, but it gives you an idea of how it would
> > > work. It seems, without any feedback, to be very nice. The fact that
> > > all the triangles are orientated the same way means you get a huge
> > > area of triangular free space around each key, that lets you mash at
> > > them without accidentally hitting another.
> > >
> > > I don't think it's about training your hands as others have said,
> > > it's about providing a key with a lot of free space around it -
> > > effectively you've made the key bigger (because you can hit any are
> > > around it and "sort of" hit the right one without mis-hitting
> > > another) whilst keeping the overall size very small.
> > >
> > > Its genius is its simplicity.
> > >
> > > Joseph
> > >
> > > 2009/6/3 neove...@freerunner :
> > >> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines
> > >> together inverted to each other?
> > >>
> > >> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> > >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson
> > >>> 
> > >>>
> > >>> wrote:
> >  apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
> > 
> >  http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> > 
> >  i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
> > 
> >  now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using
> >  anything other than square keys?
> > >>>
> > >>> Looks interesting!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> r
> > >>>
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Re: a new keyboard - discuss and critique

[Mathieu Rochette]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:41 AM, neove...@freerunner wrote:

>
> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
> inverted to each other?

The article says "that each triangular key has significantly more dead space
around it than you’d find on a standard Qwerty layout. Consequently, users
are more likely to press the correct key each time they tap."

IMO, he is just trying to make easy money, he claims that his patented
technology is s cool and ask apple to "help" him. meaning : paying to
use this.

I haven't try to look further, so I may be wrong, maybe triangle key really
improve error rate.

Mathieu

>
>
>
>
> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson 
> > wrote:
> >> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
> >>
> >> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> >>
> >> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
> >>
> >> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using anything
> >> other than square keys?
> >
> > Looks interesting!
> >
> >
> > r
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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

[Mathieu Rochette]

Peter Nijs wrote:
> On Tuesday 03 February 2009 15:11:40 Mathieu Rochette wrote:
>> Peter Nijs wrote:
>>> I've just read a (Dutch) news article
>>> (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58158/microsoft-wil-brug-tussen-smartphone-en
>>> -pc- patenteren.html) which describes a new patent microsoft filed. In the
>>> article is a link to an English description of the patent.
>>> (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=20090123
>>> 44A2&KC=A2&FT=D&date=20090122&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_US)
>>>
>>> The patent describes a dock for a smartphone, which connects to external
>>> devices such as a keyboard, mouse, screen,... wired or wireless. Now I
>>> think Openmoko already does a lot of these things, and other things have
>>> already been thought of. We can already hook up wired and wireless
>>> devices (such as mice and keyboards) to the Freerunner. I'm almost sure
>>> someone suggested hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically
>>> not possible, but it's been thought of. Integrating the wired connection
>>> between FR and the external devices has also been thought of earlier in
>>> this list.
>> wikipedia says:
>>   >  >  a patent application must include one or more claims defining the>
>>   >  >  invention which must be new, inventive, and useful or industrially
>>   >  >  applicable.
>>
>> "one or more" means that even if prior art exists, it can still be
>> patented. This is different from intellectual property where anteriority
>> prevent copyright. (at least in france)
>
> But it also seas it must be new. Which it isn't because it has been suggested
> on this list before.

(usefull, industrially applicable) IS "one or more" of (new, inventive, 
usefull, industrially applicable)).
So if it hasn't yet been patented, it can. No need to be new.

I do not like patent but it's how it is.
>
>>> I'm not a lawyer, but since the patent was published on the 22th of
>>> January, I think for some parts of this patent, there is some sort of
>>> "prior art" involved. Also it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft and Apple
>>> are eavesdropping on this list. (Note to Microsoft and Apple: Please
>>> don't steal our idea's. If you do: Please die a slow and painfull death.)
>>>
>>> mvg,
>>> depeje
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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

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Peter Nijs wrote:
> I've just read a (Dutch) news article
> (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58158/microsoft-wil-brug-tussen-smartphone-en-pc-
> patenteren.html) which describes a new patent microsoft filed. In the article
> is a link to an English description of the patent.
> (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=2009012344A2&KC=A2&FT=D&date=20090122&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_US)
>
> The patent describes a dock for a smartphone, which connects to external
> devices such as a keyboard, mouse, screen,... wired or wireless. Now I think
> Openmoko already does a lot of these things, and other things have already
> been thought of. We can already hook up wired and wireless devices (such as
> mice and keyboards) to the Freerunner. I'm almost sure someone suggested
> hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically not possible, but it's
> been thought of. Integrating the wired connection between FR and the external
> devices has also been thought of earlier in this list.

wikipedia says:
 > > a patent application must include one or more claims defining the > 
 > > invention which must be new, inventive, and useful or industrially 
 > > applicable.

"one or more" means that even if prior art exists, it can still be 
patented. This is different from intellectual property where anteriority 
prevent copyright. (at least in france)

>
> I'm not a lawyer, but since the patent was published on the 22th of January, I
> think for some parts of this patent, there is some sort of "prior art"
> involved. Also it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft and Apple are
> eavesdropping on this list. (Note to Microsoft and Apple: Please don't steal
> our idea's. If you do: Please die a slow and painfull death.)
>
> mvg,
> depeje
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gentoo on freerunner

[Mathieu Rochette]

Hello,

I'm a gentoo user and I would love to get it running on my freerunner. 
However, I don't find details explanations.

One solution I read about (and seems great) is to install crossdev on my 
desktop PC to create a system for armv4t. I was using paludis but switch 
back to emerge recently. I think either one is ok?

When I got a full system on desktop, how do I install it on the 
freeruner? do i need to make the standart installation?

When the previous is completed, I can emerge binary package (compiling 
them on desktop). Then I won't need gcc, and all that stuff on the 
freerunner (RDEPEND stuffs). But profile will ask for them in the system 
set. Is it doable to remove gcc, autotools, etc. without having emerge 
trying to emerge them back? That could save a huge memory space I think. 
Maybe my 512Mo card will be enough -- I read about needing 2Go.


Finaly, I have a remark about the embded overlay I found (I guess the 
mainteners read this list). It provides fso software and various stuff. 
It also provide enlightenment. This is just a suggestion, but I think it 
would be better to rely on vapier's overlay for that.


Mathieu.

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Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup

[Mathieu Rochette]

Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> Hi!
>
>>> First and foremost, it is us
>>> hackers that use this device for now and are supposed to make apps for
>>> freerunner and all, and we don't have a damn keyboard;). All this
>>> fancy pancy dictionary based guessing is maybe good for normal people
>>> writing crappy SMS messages, but not for the current user base, in my
>>> opinion.
>> you do - Terminal.kbd layout - it ships with illume. i designed the kbd 
>> engine
>> in illume to allow for straight-through pushing of key presses without a dict
>> int he way. the Terminal.kbd bypasses dict lookup by just emitting keysyms as
>> opposed to strings. don't like the keys on that .kbd? edit the .kbd file.
>> change it yourself! its just text!
>
> Im planning to develop an application, where is a table, and in each column
> I want different keyboard layout with different dictionary.
>
> Is it possible to change layout and dictionary on the fly? (ie.
> entering in another text input field).
>
> The application would be something, in the first column is only
> numbers, so I want a keyboard
> with [0..9-.] buttons, and accept only numbers. In the second column I
> want to write down what I see (microwave, lamp, soldering iron, etc)
> and in the third column I want to write the trademark of it (sony,
> samsung, philips, weller, etc) so I want to change the keyboard
> between
> numeric and qwerty, and I want to change the dictionary as of input text 
> field.
>
> Is it doable? If so where to start? I know python, and would be glad
> to see some debian/ubuntu guide how to start programming in efl. (or
> is it a complete development virtualbox/qemu image? it was discussions
> about some time ago).

this is be doable. keyboard application can receive message for client,
message type is ECORE_X_ATOM_E_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD_STATE
and message data is one of:
  - ECORE_X_ATOM_E_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD_OFF
  - ECORE_X_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD_STATE_ON
  - ECORE_X_ATOM_E_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD_ALPHA
  - ECORE_X_ATOM_E_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD_NUMERIC
  - ECORE_X_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD_STATE_PIN
  - ECORE_X_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD_STATE_PHONE_NUMBER
  - ECORE_X_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD_STATE_HEX
  - ECORE_X_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD_STATE_TERMINAL
  - ECORE_X_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD_STATE_PASSWORD

(I don't know where this list came from, is there some specification or 
recommendation for virtual keyboard application implementation?)

so, the application just have to send one of those messages when 
entering a field or another.

Mathieu.
>
> Thank you in advance.
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Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup

[Mathieu Rochette]

Shashank Bharadwaj wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
> mailto:ras...@rasterman.com>> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:46:15 + Jan Henkins  > babbled:
>
>  > Hello there,
>  >
>  > Pascal d'Hermilly wrote:
>  > > With 2008.12 release, a well working finger-friendly keyboard
> is the
>  > > most critical missing feature for me.
>  > > I've made a mockup of a keyboard that I think would make things
> a lot
>  > > easier to type.
>  > > http://dhermilly.dk/pascal/openmoko/keyboard%20mockup.png
>
>
> I think, the current Raster's Keyboard great for potrait mode. For
> landscape mode(i.e holding neo sideways) however, the keyboard does not
> utilize the extra space. What we need is, imho, a keyboard that would
> increase in size to take up the extra space in this landscape mode. That
> way we'll be able to type even faster. If we could add that fuctionality
> to raster's keyboard, then it'd be just great.
>
if you start the keyboard in landscape mode, it does utilize all 
available place and it's great :)
(in keyboard settings, just select non and then default while in 
landscape mode)

Another thing, I can't test it from office, but, is it possible to have 
multiple at the same position, if so one could make a t9 "like" layout
just put, abc on the same position, def, on another, etc.
would that be possible?

Mathieu.
> Just my INR 0.02.
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Re: looking for a mentor

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On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:53 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> So I'm asking if someone from openmoko is intersted to mentor me.
>> Feel free to ask me any questions, this afternoon I'll be able to join
>> the #openmoko chan.
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correct ^^ didn't think about that ;)

about, the ui/distro related thing, hem, I think that it's easier to
begin with that. but if the project grows I intend to continue it
after school period and then that could be a nice improvement (but
difficult I think).

raster, I can't join irc now (work policy...). anyway, I think about
it after that and I'm really interested in this project.
and now my professors are asking me if I found a mentor.. so are you
interested ? If you don't know yet, maybe I can put you in touch with
one of my professor. I'm sorry to press you but time is running out ;)

Mathieu.

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looking for a mentor

[Mathieu Rochette]

Hello,

I'm currently studying computer sciences and Human-computer-interaction;
This year we have to do a project (about two month full-time). I
intended to propose my own project which is an implementation of a
dasher-like "keyboard" for the freerunner (receive mine a week ago :D
), probably as an enlightenment module (as I think is the current
keyboard of illume).
And I recently learn that I need to have a mentor from a society or
organisation.
I think required work from the mentor is similar to mentor for the
google summer of code.

So I'm asking if someone from openmoko is intersted to mentor me.
Feel free to ask me any questions, this afternoon I'll be able to join
the #openmoko chan.

thx to every one, Mathieu.



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Re: [Qtextended] Handwriting recognition

[Mathieu Rochette]

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:41 AM, julien cubizolles
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I still haven't figured out how to choose the handwriting recognition
> (which I actually like) input instead of one of the keyboards. Right now
> sometimes it's on and sometimes it's off... Where do I enable it ?
>
> Julien.
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When on a text input, choose 'Option' and then 'Change Input Method'
until there is no keyboard display.
Then just write on the screen!

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Re: Battery Lifetime

[Mathieu Rochette]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Carsten has started on a daemon to handle wakes in userspace that should
> eventually parse this and figure out if it can go back to suspend
> silently once the wake reason was serviced.


should it be possible to disable a reason prior to suspend?
eg: echo 0 > /sys/somewhere/reasons/touch_screen

maybe there will still be some case that can't be handled (eg: don't annoy
me for 2 hours) but I think that could cover mosts.
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Re: FoxyTag

[Mathieu Rochette]

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Kyle Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Kevin Dean wrote:
> > If you're speeding, you're already breaking the law. Good people have
> > an ethical imperative to ignore and oppose unjust law.
> >
> >
> Good people also have an ethical imperative to be aware of accident
> blackspots, regardless of the speed they are driving at.
>
very good people can do both ;)  but that's not the point.

I asked one the foxytag forum and foxytag can also use an internal gps :D
just have to wait until freerunner is available for sell.






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Re: FoxyTag

[Mathieu Rochette]

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:44 AM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On 2 Jun 2008, at 12:06, Mathieu Rochette wrote:
> >
> > I recently discover the foxytag project . I'm wondering if this
> > apps could run on the freerunner, if so I'll definitly buy one :D
> > amAze will soon integrate foxytag but I think the software
> > requierement are the same as each apps is a java-based.
> >
> > I don't know if a jvm is available for openmoko, and I think that
> > maybe java apps for mobile phone require specific library.
> > can anyone tell me a bit about all this ?
>
> Looks a bit ugly to me.
>
> I've thought about this type of application a little bit because I'd
> love to write one and IMO this type of program doesn't need a GUI.
>
> The program should, IMO, just run as a daemon, loading the gatso
> locations at startup, and checking continuously to see if any are
> nearby. There's no need to see the location of the gatso, it should
> merely emit audio upon approach to the danger zone. The audio can
> repeat as the unit approaches the gatso, getting louder with
> proximity. This somewhat accommodates whether you're driving straight
> at the danger zone, or whether it appears likely to pass nearby -
> without streetdata it's impossible to know whether the road you're on
> continues straight or curves, so one can't know for sure whether the
> camera will be passed or avoided, but if the alert sound increases
> volume based on rate-of-distance-change (congruity?) it'll be pretty
> intuitive to the driver, I think (diagram here if I had the time). I
> don't think it's at all necessary to incorporate roadmap data - I
> think the system can provide perfect warning without it, based on
> direction and speed-of-approach.


that's a damn good idea!

>
> I don't really see any benefit of a visual display and it gets in the
> way of using any other GPS application (such as Google maps, which is
> sure never to carry camera-location data); I'm cynical over amazegps
> - why is it free if it's any good? Isn't it going to pop up
> advertising all over my phone?
>
> Last time I looked into this - perhaps two years ago - I'm sure there
> was a free Gatso camera location database available, for the UK, at
> least. However all I can find now is pocketgpsworld.com and
> www.scdb.info/en/, which both take user-submitted data and then
> charge a subscription back for it. At least the pocketgpsworld.com
> one does look like a pretty good source of data, regularly updated,
> covering Europe & used by off-duty coppers themselves, but it's not
> free in any sense of the term. Looking on scdb.info at a road I
> travelled down this evening, I'm immediately pretty sure I can spot
> errors - regular road surveillance cameras marked as speed-traps.
>
> The download link at <http://www.gps-data-team.com/poi/united_kingdom/
> safety/GATSO_UK.html> has CSV files with 4200 locations (80% UK
> coverage?), but it's not clear if these are up-to-date, as it seems
> to be implied that they come from scdb.info. However the same site
> has lists of accident blackspots which may benefit those concerned
> about road safety who feel themselves immune to the risk of
> prosecution. <http://www.gps-data-team.com/poi/united_kingdom/safety/
> Accident_Black_Spots-UK.html>
>

donwloading the file to offline access is good only if you want to know
about fixed speed cam.
what I want is to know about mobile speed cam (eg: policemen check speed for
only two hours at some spot).
and these cam can't be register in POI files;

>
> The FoxyTag collaborative thing sounds productive, so an alternative
> FoxyTag client might be appealing. It looks like a genuine not-for-
> profit project, but it's not obvious that one can use it offline -
> ideally one would download a complete data-file and upload one's
> corrections later. I don't really want to have to take my hands off
> the wheel to mark my changes to a nearby camera - I'd much rather
> click on a map on a webpage later to register my votes, and if
> marking a new camera I'd rather stop my car & park to ensure I get as
> accurate a fix as possible

again, register votes on a webpage later can't be use for mobile speed cam.

> (but "Tags posted by FoxyTag are
> directional, so, tags posted for users driving in the opposite
> direction won't be signalized to you" - what happens if I'm
> stationary?).

you can't register a POI when you're under X km/h (X=I can't remember)


>
>
> Let's say I know that a local camera is only used for video
> sur

FoxyTag

[Mathieu Rochette]

Hello,

I recently discover the foxytag
project. I'm wondering if
this apps could run on the freerunner, if so I'll
definitly buy one :D
amAze  will soon integrate foxytag but
I think the software requierement are the same as each apps is a java-based.

I don't know if a jvm is available for openmoko, and I think that maybe java
apps for mobile phone require specific library.
can anyone tell me a bit about all this ?

thx, Mathieu.

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