Re: GPS problems, summary
Thank you for such an informative summary. Matt On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Alasal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A summary of everything related to the GPS problem. > > Does the people of Openmoko know the problem? > - Yes. > > Do they work on the problem? > - Yes, they are actively searching for a solution. > > What is the problem? > - The Openmoko Freerunner have a long TTFF with the SD card in the phone. > So it takes a long time (10min+) before you get your first GPS data. > > Wat is TTFF? > - This is the time to first fix of the GPS. This is the time the GPS has > needed to get the first clue on where you are on planet earth. So you have > to do this only once. After you have a FF (first fix), you can get more > fixes without any problems with the SD card in the phone. > > So if we have a first fix, the SD card isn't blocking the GPS anymore? > - yes, the SD card isn't blocking the GPS if we have a first fix. (Some > people even claim it's more stable) > > Does they have a solution? > - yes. Their is already a highly alpha software workaround. The software > just disables the SD card when the GPS tries to get it's first fix They are > also examine a hardware solution. > > Do we have to return our Freerunners to Openmoko? > - Probably not, because the software workaround should work too. > > But we can't read of the SD card when the GPS is on? > - Wrong, you will be able to read the SD card when the GPS is on. You will > probably not be able to read the SD card when you're starting the GPS (appr. > 30 sec), because the GPS will only block the SD card when it's searching > it's first fix. After that you will be able to read the SD card again. > > Is their a better software solution? > - Maybe. From reading the mailing list, I have understood that half the > Openmoko team is looking into this bug. All this information is only 1 à 2 > days old and the bug is also young, so I suspect they can finetune the > software workaround and make it only slowdown the SD card or even better. > > Did Openmoko test the GPS with a SD card in it? > - yes > > Whey didn't they find it while testing the Freerunner? > - Because they have to do the tests with a fake GPS signal and with that > signal it worked. (In a fab you haven't a decent GPS signal) They already > have modified the test, so it correspond the GPS signal better. > > Summary of the summary: > You will be able to use the SD card in the same time of the GPS except for > the first appr 30 seconds. (And that's the worst case, because maybe > Openmoko can find better hacks/fixes) > > ps: I have read all the mails about the GPS problem, but I'm still human. If > there is a fault or wrong conclusion in this summary, please let the > community know. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: $106 in Brokerage!!?!!?!
I know what you mean. $106 for a $400 phone is a hell of a lot but imagine paying $90 on a $125 PDA battery/cf jacket, like I had to a few years ago. NEVER again am I shipping with UPS, if I can avoid it. I've found their brokerage fees are almost always applied and they're always ridiculous. Matt On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Ben Cadieux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > UPS wants $106 in brokerage. Are they out of their minds? > > (I'm in BC, Canada, by the way). I should've shipped it across the > border. If I have the item returned, would you guys ship it again for > me, say across the border this time? (I'll pay shipping again, of > course...) > > Best Regards, > Ben Cadieux > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multi-tutch?
As Marcel said, I believe it's a hardware issue - the touch-screen device itself needs to support multiple touch points. The one on the freerunner, if there are 2 points being pressed at once, for example, returns the geometric average point between them. Perhaps GTA03 On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Marcel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the Freerunner is (afaik!) not multitouch > capable. > > -Marcel > > Am Mittwoch 28 Mai 2008 17:17:56 schrieb Jan Stöckel: >> hey given pro-linux.de (german news site)is right, MPX >> http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/ is now a part of Xorg, and I can >> remember that the display of the freerunner was ready for multituch, so >> coud it be possible that the freerunner/openmoko is capable of multituch >> within might a year ? (I am aware that that isnt prioryty it woud just >> be nice to know) Or I am completly wrong and it isn`t possible ? >> >> >> Jan >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calculate cardinal points from GPS?
>From what I understand, Getting a cardinal point-equivalent _heading_ is easy with GPS, but if you are stationary and spinning, it will not update. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Tomas Gustavsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello! > > First I would like to say that I'm a newbie when it comes to GPS, so > please don't bash (or korn ;)) me if my thinking is rather stupid. > > I was thinking if was possible to calulate the cardinal points (N,E,S,W) > by the difference (in longitude and latitude) between your current > location and a fixed one. By doing so we should have our compass, at > least in my mind ;). > > So what do you think guys? Is this even possible? > > P.S Hmm I think that I just understood that this isn't possible, at > least not with just one fixed location as difference :/. Maybe it's > possible with let's say 10 fixed coordinates as reference? > > > Best regards > > /Tomas "tomplast" > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funny Dialer
Nice work so far. >Wait till you see the mail application, where you have to drag an envelope >cutter over each message to be able to read it… That made me laugh! Matt On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:44 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > I've got my sort-of, kind-of working rotary dialer (with source) here: > http://www.cibomahto.com/?p=192 > > It's pretty ugly and the physics are a little buggy, but it's a start. I > will set it up on projects.openmoko.org when I get a chance. > > I haven't really done my due diligence in researching the matter, but has > anyone made Python bindings to access the system resources yet? Or, perhaps > it is as simple as talking over DBUS? For the moment, I am controlling the > vibrator by writing to the LED device, though I suspect that is not the > proper way to go about it. > > Cheers, > Matt > > - > Matt Mets > http://cibomahto.com > > > I love retro stuff. > > > > Michael and I were talking about sampleapps for beginners and I thought it > would be cool to > > to do a "hello world" dialer.get it? I know kinda dorky. > > > > Doing a remix of the old rotary dialer asa "hello world" app on the neo > would be a neat hack. > > > > Neo would approve. > > > > > > From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Breakable > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 5:06 AM > To: community@lists.openmoko.org > Subject: Funny Dialer > > > > > I am positive you shouldhave to turn the dialer manually for most user > friendliness :D > While hilarious this could become a killer feature to make a phone for > thetechnologically challenged. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: yet another question about group sales (re: group goodies)
Unless this has changed recently, you can only order the group phones in multiples of 10 (i.e. 10 phones, 20 phones, 30 phones, etc). On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > After what I know, you get 11 goodies when you buy 11 phones. > Vinc Duran skrev: > > I don't know your answers but I thought it was 10 pack (like order=10 > rather than order=>10). > > On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:41 PM, nickd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I apologise if this has been asked before, but my Google-fu fails me and I > can't search the lists properly, *so*... > > I know that if you order > 10 Freerunners that you only get the discount on > the groups of 10. In the same way, do you only get the same amount of > goodies as phones? > > I.e. > count(phones) = count(pouches,headsets)? > OR > count(phones) - (count(phones) mod 10) = count(pouches,headsets)? > > So will 11 phones give you 11 pouches or 10? > > I need more coffee. > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Steven Kurylo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would really like the option to use the USPS instead of UPS. UPS > charges much higher brokerage fees to bring a package into Canada > compared to the USPS. > > Thank you. > -- > Steven Kurylo Agreed. I once had to pay $100 in brokerage fees for a $90 PocketPC Jacket when it was shipped by UPS. I've found that purolator and fedex don't often charge brokerage fees, UPS charges them quite often, where USPS hasn't yet (for me, at least). Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Upgrading 1973 to Freerunner
I think there was a post on the list about a month ago asking this and ultimately, it would cost about as much to "upgrade" a GTA01 as it would to buy a new GTA02 outright. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In view of 'many' 1973's becoming obsolete and probably 'ridden' with > unfixable problems, would it be 'thinkable' to replace the > internals of the device with a FreeRunner Motherboard ? > > I heard that the most costly part of a device it the screen, and that the > screen IFAIK is the same for both systems, an upgrade would be > cost-effective. > > Is this at all thinkable ? > > Thanx > W > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which applications are usable
I was waiting for someone to say that ;) On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Sander van Grieken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Friday 18 April 2008, Tim Shannon wrote: > >> I love that the terminal is one of the requisite applications. This is > >> definitely a phone I'm looking forward to. > > > > Indeed, just imagine running vi on a phone!! The ultimate! > > Eildert > > no, emacs! > > *ducks* > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new main page of our wiki
In firefox go to tools->options->content->colors Is "Allow Pages to chose their own colors, instead of my own" checked or not? On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:11 AM, NeoSleg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why does someone of us have blue links, and other orange ? > > > > On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:59:15 +0200, "Steven Le Roux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > here is mine : > > http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/73/20080417155544iy3.png > > > > > > and truely readable... > > > > > > try this tips : > > > > > > crash your win, install a debian/gentoo or any other real good OS... then > > > try again :) > > > > > > > I'd really like to ... But I'm at work, and I don't have the choice :'( > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Our new Main page of wiki
I agree with the other few posters on this thread so far that the colours have a bit too much contrast. Good design layout, but it is somewhat difficult to read. Another thing: "Introduction for Openmoko" sounds a little awkward. It already has the title on the page as "Openmoko Wiki" and it says "Welcome to Openmoko", so there isn't really any confusion that the "Introduction" is for Openmoko. Good Work, Matt On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The table colors have too little contrast, I think. It's readable, > but I have to "force" myself to do so. > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just a vote: I like the old one more. > > > > Am 17.04.2008 um 12:58 schrieb Ivo Anjo: > > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > Personally, I liked the old one better, and the colors on this one > (mainly > > the background color of the tables) are pretty agressive. > > > > > > Ivo > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Brenda Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Hi, all: > > > Here is the new main page of our wiki. > > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_main_page > > > It will switch to Main page soon. > > > Please feel free to give us your feedback . > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Brenda > > > > > > ___ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > ___ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HAPPY DANCE version .9
Introduce them to the wonders of MUD gaming from a telnet session launched out of bash. Either that, or has nethack been ported to OM yet??? On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:40 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > First question was can I play WOW on it. > > I slap my head so hard I have no wrinkles in my forehead anymore. > > better than Botox. > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Le Roux > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:56 AM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: HAPPY DANCE version .9 > > > > So it appears to be the destructive test ;) > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:41 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Dhl delivered goodies today. I gave one to my kids. One phone. Two > teenage > > boys. > > > > Stress testing. They fighting over it. Ha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > -- > Steven Le Roux > Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stop talking about hardware!
Hehe yeah no hard feelings. I was just being a smartass about people making their own injection molded cases. I agree that there have been a lot of people talking here, as well as on the wiki (see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware ), about hardware dreams that are very very VERY unlikely to happen. Lately, the hardware-to-software discussion ratio has tipped a little too much in favor of the former, but I anticipate a complete, sudden turnaround overnight once the first GTA02's get into the hands of software devs. In the first month after the Freerunner is shipped, some people may be complaining that we're not talking about future hardware enough anymore! Matt On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matt Manjos wrote: > > > I guess people could get it airbrushed if it was a matte plastic case, > > maybe shipped with primer already painted on it. > > > > Seems like a lot of work, but it would really fit well with the whole > > customization thing. > > > > Maybe FIC could start selling DIY at-home plastic injection molding kits, > too ;) > > > > Yea right. > As if it would not be hard enough to get the phone selling. :) > > Come one people. You you need anything in hardware, then make it > yourselves! > Openmoko is piggybacking on a existing design at Fic. They can and will not > change this any more. > > If alternative cases are such a good idea. Why can't i buy one now? > > If you think it is reasonable to ask Fic to do it, then first ask > yourselves; Can you make a business on it? > Then you will see that a bunch of crazy hackers is not a big marked. And > hardware is expensive to fabricate. > We can be lucky that Fic recognises us as customers with certain needs. And > they make a good job in meeting them. > > As i understood, Fic is in the last testing phases for the hardware. They > and we can be happy if they even make it nearly to the planned deadline. > So please. Can we all stop asking for hardware changes if we don't > absolutely want to make themselves? > I have seen so much hot air regarding this. I can not longer hear it! > > If you want to change something, take the initiative. > Or put you effort into the software, it needs it. Really! > > PS: Sorry Matt. I know it was only sarcasm. I just needed to get this off > my chest before i burst even harder. I could not longer bear to hear pipe > dreams about hardware. > Hardware makes (almost?) 90% of the discussions here and it is the only > thing where we had very limited freedom for change from the beginning and > even less now since the device is almost ready for mass fabrication. > > Regards > Tilman > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
I guess people could get it airbrushed if it was a matte plastic case, maybe shipped with primer already painted on it. Seems like a lot of work, but it would really fit well with the whole customization thing. Maybe FIC could start selling DIY at-home plastic injection molding kits, too ;) On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Steven Le Roux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmm in this goal, why not Openmoko.com to sell "blank" case, non finished > ones, witout any painting, just to be customized/adapted later ? > > I don't think only with painting, but integrate an eye cam or other > expansion pack, or wifi external connectors for example... > > Even one water proof why not :) > > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Steven ** > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com > > They do injection molding of various plastics in "many" colors. > > > > I'm not sure if you could make a profit by having them make a ton of > > cases and then reselling them or not. > > > > -Steven > > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank > > > cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of > > > making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and > > > then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just > > > selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered. I have no > > > idea of the economics of injection moulding, though. > > > > > >Hugo. > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > -- > Steven Le Roux > Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner Antennas and Partially Metal Cases
Take a look at page 24 of this document: http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/certificate/NCC/TE7O1104_R01_CNS13438_FIC_GTA02.pdf (very interesting document anyway, but page 24 is exactly what you're looking for) On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Erland Lewin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I understand it, the Freerunner will have four modules requiring antennas > - GSM, GPS, WiFi and Bluetooth. I know the GSM antenna is placed in the > bottom part of the phone, and the GPS antenna at the top. > > Where are the WiFi and Bluetooth antennas placed? Are there actually 4 > antennas, or are some shared? > > The reason I ask is for case design - I'm thinking about partial metal > cases, which I guess should have non-metal parts covering the antennas. > > /Erland > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
The Openmoko Freerunner: MacGyver Edition On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:21 AM, clare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The pouch is very nice and closes securely with its drawstring. > Inside it I put a piece of vinyl floor tile; and face the Neo1973 > screen to the tile, so that sharp or hard items in my bag with it are > less likely to do any damage. There is room for the battery and the > stylus which is homemade and tied to the phone. > THe lanyard I did not like as the slipring fastener came undone > unexpectedly; that is unsafe. I have replaced it with a piece of > cord tied with a fisherman's knot which tightens if the main cord > is pulled but is easily undone by pulling the end pieces. > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PVT Update.
Calling it a snuff video is a little disturbing, but I too would like to see some "behind the scenes" videos of production. I guess that in the end, one electronics fabrication plant is just like every other plant, but some testing videos would be cool to see. On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 5:08 AM, James Olney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > maybe mokoninja could get behind the scenes and snap some pics or vids.. > > > > On 15/04/2008, nickd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hi first post :) i don't suppose as part of the open nature of the > > production that the few sick people (myself included) in the community > could > > see possibly some videos of the testing? namely the destructive tests? i've > > learnt how to use technology by breaking it and would like to see the snuf > > videos if possible > > > > -nick > > > > > > steve wrote: > > > > > ya, I was telling somebody earlier I worked on an experimental > > > plane for 5 years: we built 2. 500 Million per copy. > > > we flew them for a little while. Then they took one. > > > Shook it to bits; broke its back; and tore its wings off. > > > bastards. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Ortwin Regel > > > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 AM > > > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > > > Subject: Re: PVT Update. > > > > > > The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. > > > Still, poor Freerunners... :'( > > > > > > On 4/14/08, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > One minute of silence for the dead freerunner, death to ensure a > product > > > > free of defects :) > > > > > > > > 2008/4/14, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The last of DVT testing is I think complete. These are destructive > > > > > tests. > > > > > Where we try to break the phone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > -- > ___ > Tel: 00447809457487 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www: http://www.happyjames.co.uk > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Smart LCD birght/dim...
I had a Compaq iPaq that did this via a little photodiode and it was implemented well, but there are some times when you want a brighter screen in the dark / darker screen in the daytime, so you're still digging through menus. On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Exactly my thoughts: This sounds way too complicated to actually be > useful. I'd rather adjust my brightness manually. > > > > On 4/12/08, Nick Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:50 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Since Freerunner won't have an hardware light sensor to set its LCD > > > brightness, I got some ideas about smartly changing the luminance of the > > > GTA02 screen to save its battery (still with an unknown life time :/). > > > Of course they aren't and never will be precise as an hardware sensor > is, > > > but it's the only thing we have: > > > > > > 1) Setting the brightness following the hour of the day: also if the > > phone > > > can't know if it's sunny or cloudy, neither if you're indoor or outdoor, > > > it's clear that just knowing the hour of the day, the date and your > > latitude > > > (to be set once via GPS) the phone can easily know when the sun will rise > > > and set, and so it will be possible increasing or reducing the LCD > > > brightness. > > > Also if you're indoor, I guess that when the sun is "gone" you won't > need > > > so much luminance... > > > > > > 2) Using personal profiles that follow your habits: you could define, > for > > > each hour of each week day the "presumed" luminance, using something like > > a > > > calendar. I mean, if on working-days I generally stay indoor every day > > from > > > 8:30 to 13:00 and from 15:00 to the 19:00 I figure that on these > intervals > > I > > > don't need all the LCD power, so I'll set in my "calendar" that on such > > > interval I'll be indoor... > > > I guess that many of you would follow a routine durning the week, why > > don't > > > educate your phone for it!? > > > > > > 3) Setting the luminance following the weather. Of course I've no light > > > sensors, neither a barometer :P, but if I've a working connection > > available > > > I could use the weather data downloaded every few minutes (60, for > > example) > > > from internet to change my screen brightness (of course merging these > > > informations with points 1 and 2) > > > > > > What do you think about them? > > > I do think that they are really simple to implement, and that also if > > they > > > won't guarantee a perferct result, they could be a "smart" workaround. > > > > > > -- > > > Treviño's World - Life and Linux > > > http://www.3v1n0.net/ > > > > > > > > > Or you could just... dim it after a few seconds and go blank after a > > minute like every other phone does. If we try to solve this by complex > > heuristics we're > > 1) going to get it wrong > > 2) going to end up wasting more battery in doing the computations than > > we save by them. > > > > > > -Nick > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2. Pricing > We scrubbed the BOM ( bill of materials). We eliminated the Luxurious bits. > Optimized the box like it was code. The first thing we got rid of > was the lunchbox. It was cool, but it was expensive and heavy. Eliminating > that was a sizeable cost savings. ( think shipping weight). So is there any news/update on the final inventory that will be in the box with the Freerunner? Also, great work on reaching this milestone and thanks for letting everyone know! Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Data over normal GSM call
I don't know about specific cases, but I think that cell phone companies are more concerned about people using VOIP over data over gsm voice calls. There was talk earlier about writing a fax program that uses incoming calls to receive faxes, and that GSM couldn't transmit decent faxes because of a quality or bandwidth problem, but I can't remember the specifics. This might hinder such a setup. Matt On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Dan Staley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know if it is legal (in the standard TOS) with providers > (such as ATnT) to send data over a normal phone call? > > I have plenty of cell minutes (not to mention free calls between certain > numbers...) but I dont want to pay for a data planso I figure if I > wanted to, I could just have my phone call my computer and transfer data > over the line. > Has anyone else looked into this? > > -Dan Staley > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Or it could be programmed to send this GPS-locating message to the server each time the SIM card is changed, for the ultra-paranoid. Matt On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I thought about the risk of loosing the moko or of getting it stolen... > > > > > > I got the following idea: > > > If you can't find your moko, you only have to send an SMS with a special > keyword/passphrase to your moko. > > > > > > It recognises the special text and sends the current coordinates to a > server. So you can see it's position. > > > > > > > Hehe...sounds fun. > > > > For sure. But there are two approaches; this one assumes the bad guy won't > change (or just remove) the SIM card, which is possible but not likely. The > other one (which I thought of ages ago but which Michele Renda just > explained again quite well) still works if the BG changes the SIM, as long > as there's a SIM card in place (or if you have a FreeRunner if you're in > WiFi coverage). > > But of course neither will work if the bad guy is tech-savvy enough to > reload the flash. And we won't say any more because those guys know how to > use Google! > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
It's about time this decision has been made. I'm sick and tired of having all this source code lying around. I feel much better if it's all taken care of by someone else. When do the NDAs get shipped out, so community members can get authorized to work on software for the Freerunner? On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tilman Baumann ha scritto: > > [snip] > > > Check your calendar. ;) > > Noticed something? April, first, ... > > > > Tilman > > OMG, i was just waiting for it, it's very beautiful and easy to use, > highly customizable,. > I was planning to buy a GTA03 instead of a GTA02 i hope that you are > serious regarding the GTA03!!! > > Pietro > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner mass market phone, status?
Well, the mass market phone itself won't be available for a long time. The next date should be the release of the HARDWARE of the final phone, but shipping with incomplete (developer) software. If you want a final, polished, stable phone, it's going to be some time now. Last I heard the testing was going on for how well they could ramp up production (finding fabrication bugs, improving factory yields). I'd like an update from Michael on that process, but knowing the details won't make it show up any sooner :P Matt On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Kristijan Krsteski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear community, > Today is 1-th of April, and by my information We have to see mass market > phone available for buying!? > It's been such a long time that announce list isn't update! > As for me, I'm waiting for mass market phone until July/2007. > I thing that without any precision date for freerunner availability in the > very near future, I can't wait anymore!? > Maybe, this isn't only my decision but no matter how much I would like to > have OpenMoko phone, there is time to move forward. > Thanks > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 850MHz or 900MHz? AT&T or TMobile?
850mhz/1900mhz are the common bands in North America. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Ajit Natarajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > A question from a cell phone newbie. > > I understand that the Freerunner will come in two varieties: 850MHz and > 900MHz. I live in the Silicon Valley in California. My work zip is > 95014 (Cupertino) and my home zip is 95008 (Campbell). In and around > these areas is where I expect to be most of the time. > > Should I get the 850MHz version phone or the 900MHz? > > Which would be the better provider for this area: AT&T or TMobile? > > If I should RTFM, please send me a pointer to where I should look to get > my answers. > > Thanks! > > Ajit > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
I'm not too current on electronics manufacturing, but am I correct in assuming this PVT is more of a ramping-up, factory thing? Or is it more of an electronics sourcing/tooling sort of thing? Also, good luck with the process and I hope it won't be too long before the fun part of being a community manager starts ;) Matt On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: > > > The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production > Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We > are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. > > The purpose of PVT is to make sure the yield is high enough, and to make > sure the manufacturing and testing process is smooth and efficient. > > Steve also welcomes direct contact from you. He can be reached at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Michael > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
I agree, that sort of thing would be a lot of work for little gain. There has to be something internal that allows for communication between members, however. For example, I am a big fan of the "prototypes" page on the wiki that outlines the devices produced so far, who has them, and what work has been done. Moving any sort of internal tracking/memo system to the wiki/another open site would be cool. Matt On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Richard Reichenbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IMO I'd rather the dev team spend their time developing than writing blogs > and answering the communities every question. Their number 1 priority is > getting the FreeRunner finalized and working. Not coming up with arbitrary > dates that the device may or may not be ready by. It would be better that > they spend a few extra months making sure the hardware is good and done than > finding out in those months they needed to have an extra resistor at x > location so that y feature would work. The community needs to calm down, > relax and be patient. Remember if you could have created the first open > source phone out of scratch with just a couple guys and a small company than > you'd be the one doing it. Not the guys in Openmoko busting their asses to > try and change the world or cellular technology. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 6:34 PM > To: List for OpenMoko community discussion > Subject: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!?? > > A progress blog would be nice. I don't think much more than what you > normally find in the Wiki and kernel mailing list would be needed. > Just a single place to find out what's going on. > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:49 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano ha scritto: > > > > > 1) The Freerunner IS free, there are only some firmware things that > > > aren't open and that never will be open but they are only firmware, > even > > > your PC run something which is not open source (BIOS, graphic card > > > firmware, cdrom firmware, every kind of firmware you got is generally > > > closed.) > > > > I do agree with this... Btw imho all the words written in this thread > > are due to only one thing: the lack of communication by the FIC > > developers (the hardware ones first of all, but also the software ones). > > > > I think they mostly "talk" with their code, but the most part of the > > community doesn't really know what they're doing and what is really > > happening in Taiwan. That's why this thread started! > > > > So, imho not to loose credibility FIC/Openmoko should have a better > > relationship with its followers relasing more informations both about > > the project status and about the future plans. > > > > Don't you agree? > > > > -- > > Treviño's World - Life and Linux > > http://www.3v1n0.net/ > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > -- > H. Lally Singh > Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science > Virginia Tech > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Mark Haury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matt Manjos matt at manjos.com wrote on Sun Mar 16 16:23:09 CET 2008: > > >I think the main concern with FIC at the moment is that if they > >release the Freerunner developer-only hardware now, produced in 10x > >the quantity of the 1973 (what was hinted to earlier), and some major > >hardware problem was found, it could destroy the credibility and the > >resources of the project. I hate waiting like this, and I was hoping > >to get the Freerunner developer model for my birthday in a few weeks, > >but I'd much rather wait and have the guarantee that I won't be SOL if > >there is a problem with the function or the longevity of the device. > > Which is worse: the fear of possible failure, or certain failure? > > The fear of failure is usually self-fulfilling prophecy. > > Nothing ventured, nothing gained. > > If they're constantly going to give in to the fear of failure, then that > is certainly what's going > to happen. > > Mark > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Buying each one of the 5 GTA02 hardware revisions, if they were sold to the public, would have cost me $2250 so far, not including shipping, taxes and customs/duty charges. Each one of those revisions fixed multiple hardware bugs, some of them very serious. "Certain failure" as you put it would be to release a piece of hardware that might burn out because of an obscure, improperly placed resistor or capacitor and making the community foot the bill every time a $450 hardware revision is produced. Perhaps waiting for this device feels longer BECAUSE of the openness of FIC's prototyping/development process. "Watching paint dry" I believe is the expression, as we see small, incremental changes instead of a large "splash". If FIC was closed and secretive as to the prototyping/testing process for their hard drive, and NO information was given as to a final release date, we wouldn't have anything to complain about. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Mark Haury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marcin Juszkiewicz openembedded at haerwu.biz wrote on Sun Mar 16 > 11:02:12 CET 2008 > > > On Saturday 15 of March 2008, Mark Haury wrote: > >> In order for there to be "competition", there has to be something > >> available. The Trolltech Greenphone comes to mind, though, as its > >> availability matches the Freerunner's at this point. Not to mention > >> that's the origin of Qtopia that everybody seems to be running on their > >> Neos rather than OpenMoko. That's more than a little revealing...> > > > >Greenphone is past now. Even Trolltech does not use it as developer > >platform - they switched to Neo1973 few months ago. > > Exactly my point: the Greenphone hardware is *just* as available as Neo > hardware at this point, since both have been sold out for some time and > there's no telling when GTA02 might be available. And the fact that people > > are inclined to use Qtopia rather than Openmoko reveals something about the > the status of Openmoko... > > The only difference between the Greenphone and the Neo at this point is that > Trolltech have publicly announced that the Greenphone is not going to be > produced anymore, whereas Openmoko keep promising (but not delivering) more > hardware. It's the *promise* of the resumption of production of hardware > that > keeps them actively developing Qtopia for the Neo. > > It seems to me that continued production of the flawed GTA01 hardware would > have been preferable to nothing at all. And unless there's some extremely > serious problem with GTA02 that they're not telling us, they certainly could > have released it to developers before now. It is *abundantly* clear to > everyone that the software and probably the hardware is not ready for > consumer > release, but without allowing developers to evaluate and help, it never will > be. The core FIC-employed group is much too small to do it all by > themselves, > regardless of how brilliant and competent they are. It's not their technical > expertise that is being questioned, just their business sense. > > It all boils down to the premise upon which this project is supposedly > based: > is it "open", or not? > > Mark > > P.S. If Nokia does in fact take over Trolltech as is rumored, this might all > be moot in short order. I warned a long time ago about the window of > opportunity... I think the main concern with FIC at the moment is that if they release the Freerunner developer-only hardware now, produced in 10x the quantity of the 1973 (what was hinted to earlier), and some major hardware problem was found, it could destroy the credibility and the resources of the project. I hate waiting like this, and I was hoping to get the Freerunner developer model for my birthday in a few weeks, but I'd much rather wait and have the guarantee that I won't be SOL if there is a problem with the function or the longevity of the device. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
