Re: using the openmoko neo101 in mass storage mode
Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | +1 ;-) So, how is unmounting SD card to share it going to work on GTA03. How come that is an issue? (warning: wild speculation) Does the GTA03 not have flash? If so, you could partition the SD card, and then only unmount the partition used for media storage. I thought the GTA03 was canceled though?: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA Cheers, Matt - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkhBDt8ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqqvwCfT/mzwrUOjr0XQunuqjxu7ZZE py0Anj+0/Q1+qhtrBcIW5qngWHHJj7Z4 =M18F -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: using the openmoko neo101 in mass storage mode
I believe this has been discussed at some point, but there is a file-storage module that emulates a mass storage device: http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/file_storage.html I don't see it included in the preview ASU package, but it should be trivial to build separately. The issue (that I see, anyway) is that it requires exclusive access to the drive that it uses for the storage. I think the cleanest way to handle that would be to format a partition on the SD card with a suitable filesystem (Fat32). This would then be normally be mounted on the Neo, and used for storing media files and extra user data. When you want to connect to the PC to transfer songs or whatever, you run a utility that unmounts the drive from the linux side, switches off the USB ethernet gadget and switches on the file-storage gadget, with this device as its target. Then you can plug it into a PC and do whatever, and when you are done you simply use the utility to switch back to the previous configuration. The downside to this method is that you wouldn't get access to the root filesystem, and Neo applications woudn't have access to the drive while it was being shared (so you couldn't play songs while you were downloading them). Also, it would probably be tricky to share PIM data this way, because you wouldn't want to turn off the dialer program :-D. Cheers, Matt Bobby Martin wrote: I'm sure it's *possible* to make the neo behave like a mass storage device, and I would love to have software that does it so I can have some kind of communication with Windows machines that I don't have permission to install drivers internet bridges on. As far as I know that software doesn't exist today. Two ways to accomplish this: 1. use gadget_storage on the neo/freerunner 2. use usb-networking + samba on the neo/freerunner My vote goes for option #2, since this also allows us to continue to support ssh'ing to the phone, etc. ; -- Jay Vaughan My issue is that I want to be able to connect my neo to just about any Windows PC and at least transfer files. Connecting to the neo via usb from a Windows machine requires installing a driver on the Windows PC and setting up a network bridge on the Windows PC. These are things I'm often unable to do. (E.g. at work, or especially on someone else's machine at work.) Bluetooth is nice, but it's also true that many PCs don't have bluetooth. To me, the ideal solution would be to have an app on the neo that makes it pretend to be a mass storage device over USB, so standard USB connectors on almost any USB host (Mac, Windows PC, Linux PC, maybe some cameras, etc.) would recognize the neo as a source and destination for files. We should be able to configure which directories are exposed through the USB mass storage interface, and also perhaps configure how much storage is reserved (so you don't fill up your rootfs). Does such a USB mass storage interface simulation program exist out there as open source somewhere, waiting to be ported? Bobby -- If it doesn't make you smile, you're doing something wrong. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:14:46 -0400 Matt Mets [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Matt Mets wrote: I tried out the ASU software update on my GTA01 tonight, and took a short video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ISHrtuQuGM Cool video! Thanks! The keyboard seems quite nice, and worked well with a stylus (better than the video might suggest, I was working around the camera). What about the finger usability? AFAIK the Qtopia predictive keyboard has been projected also to help in finger usability... I wasn't able to use the keyboard with my finger. Once a letter is pressed, you can't slide to a neighboring letter to change it, so it was difficult to correct mistakes. There was a different keyboard on the original Qtopia builds that had a magnifying-key feature that seemed to make this easier. It is entirely possible that I missed something here though. I do like the gesture support (slide left to backspace, forward to insert space, down for enter, up to switch keyboards), but I would like to see something that indicates that gestures are being performed (perhaps a line that shows a trail of where your finger has been?). to correct - just backspace! :) (left slide). the magnifying thing is possible - but somehow i saw it as superfluous as chances are u press and release very fast like a keypress on a normal keyboard and then notice the mistake. even so - the dictionary lookup will be correcting if it's in the dictionary and not too far of a typo (press too far away from intended key). admittedly the dictionary we ship has only 5000 words - but hey. it's a simple text file. :) Ok, keeping that in mind, pressing in the general area and using the word lookup feature seems to work pretty well with a finger. At least i have been able to put in some simple phrases quite easily. The predictive keyboard bit might help but I haven't become proficient with it yet. It seemed weird that it shows two lists of possible words (one horizontal across the top of the keyboard, one in a dropdown box). horizontal is for quick selecting the most likely matches for correction (or if no matches - exactly what you typed), and if it doesn't fit u can access ALL matches from the popup list. One other thing I noticed was that the widget for the popup window covers up the leftmost horizontal match or two, making it impossible to select them. Also, when running a regular X application (remote xterm), it seemed like I had to press enter (or tab) to get the characters to be sent to the app, which made it very difficult to enter things into the terminal. But usability in actual phone-apps is probably more important :-D. Perhaps a direct-input mode is/could be implemented for that sort of application. it's possible we can do this - in svn there is even a full qwerty kbd layout i initially used - with ctrl, alt, etc. for terminal junkies, BUT for now correction is always-on. Here is a funny idea: how about replacing the word lookup with bash-style command completion when in the terminal? That could be really cool! Maybe the word lookup feature already has an interface that can be hooked into. I could see it being useful for auto-completing really any application-specific data as well. :-D For example, maybe in the dialer program to show your closest contacts that match the number (one of my favorite features of the GTK-dialer). The whole interface was very smooth though. I'm suddenly much more optimistic about the project! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner
I tried out the ASU software update on my GTA01 tonight, and took a short video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ISHrtuQuGM The interface seems really responsive, way better than the GTK version. The keyboard seems quite nice, and worked well with a stylus (better than the video might suggest, I was working around the camera). There are a bunch of little glitches in the graphics, and most of the applications seem to be nonexistent. The sliding interface seems odd, however I will reserve judgment on it for now. Cheers, Matt Kevin Dean wrote: Yeah, there are GTA01 images for the ASU, I've tested them. Not too much to report, ASU is almost totally non-functional but it gives a good view of it's potential. I planned on doing video over this weekend but I got sick for the first time in almost three years. *growls* On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: steve wrote: Ian got a phone with the Apps based on GTK. everyone will. However, I wanted to let the community see the NEXT STEP. So the next step ( ASU) is now public. you need a GTA02 to appreciate it. and even then it's a raw first look at pre alpha software. Actually, I believe they started making images for gta01 as well. http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ They are the Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image files. Be sure to also update your kernel. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner
Matt Mets wrote: I tried out the ASU software update on my GTA01 tonight, and took a short video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ISHrtuQuGM Cool video! Thanks! The keyboard seems quite nice, and worked well with a stylus (better than the video might suggest, I was working around the camera). What about the finger usability? AFAIK the Qtopia predictive keyboard has been projected also to help in finger usability... I wasn't able to use the keyboard with my finger. Once a letter is pressed, you can't slide to a neighboring letter to change it, so it was difficult to correct mistakes. There was a different keyboard on the original Qtopia builds that had a magnifying-key feature that seemed to make this easier. It is entirely possible that I missed something here though. I do like the gesture support (slide left to backspace, forward to insert space, down for enter, up to switch keyboards), but I would like to see something that indicates that gestures are being performed (perhaps a line that shows a trail of where your finger has been?). The predictive keyboard bit might help but I haven't become proficient with it yet. It seemed weird that it shows two lists of possible words (one horizontal across the top of the keyboard, one in a dropdown box). Also, when running a regular X application (remote xterm), it seemed like I had to press enter (or tab) to get the characters to be sent to the app, which made it very difficult to enter things into the terminal. But usability in actual phone-apps is probably more important :-D. Perhaps a direct-input mode is/could be implemented for that sort of application. The whole interface was very smooth though. I'm suddenly much more optimistic about the project! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Neo as cellular modem?
It should be no problem. You just have to set up your routing tables correctly so that the desktop knows to route its traffic to the device, and the device knows to forward traffic to the cellular connection. It would be really handy to have an application to configure all of this automagically. It might also be cool to have the Freerunner act as a wireless router! Instant (slow) internet anywhere... Hi, I'm was sitting in my workshop with the cable modem out and the local wireless not working correctly and so no internet access today, wondering if we can expect to use the FreeRunner/Openmoko as a cellular modem at any point. I haven't seen much mention of this. Any ideas? Thanks, Vinc___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Funny Dialer
All, I've got my sort-of, kind-of working rotary dialer (with source) here: http://www.cibomahto.com/?p=192 It's pretty ugly and the physics are a little buggy, but it's a start. I will set it up on projects.openmoko.org when I get a chance. I haven't really done my due diligence in researching the matter, but has anyone made Python bindings to access the system resources yet? Or, perhaps it is as simple as talking over DBUS? For the moment, I am controlling the vibrator by writing to the LED device, though I suspect that is not the proper way to go about it. Cheers, Matt - Matt Mets http://cibomahto.com I love retro stuff. Michael and I were talking about sampleapps for beginners and I thought it would be cool to to do a “hello world” dialer.get it? I know kinda dorky. Doing a remix of the old rotary dialer asa “hello world” app on the neo would be a neat hack. Neo would approve. From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Breakable Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 5:06 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Funny Dialer I am positive you shouldhave to turn the dialer manually for most user friendliness :D While hilarious this could become a killer feature to make a phone for thetechnologically challenged. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funny Dialer
Thanks everyone :-). I'm pretty sure the 'noise' is Sigur Rós. It was getting pretty late... Matt What is that noise in the background? Do you do your programming in a haunted house? It's freakin me out... -Steven On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I've got my sort-of, kind-of working rotary dialer (with source) here: http://www.cibomahto.com/?p=192 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funny Dialer
I'm assuming you mean what we call a rotary phone in the US? I'm working on one... Here is a screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cibomahto/2458507254/ It's just a mock-up program at the moment though, no hooks to the actual dialer. Cheers, Matt Bastian Muck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I talked to some friends and one of them said: My mom (73 years old) would use a mobile phone if it had a dial plate! First we laughed about this, but in fact i think its a funny idea. I guess it shouldn't be a big deal to make a theme, which could do this, is it? Greetings Bastian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIJ5t3lYiDScJJ+7QRAmZxAKD+nth2x3zwD4Peechq8ZFqG9JgjQCcCGhi JQUYgi8iS6zPR6/ZoCo0G0Y= =PfDo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
The problem that I see with a virtual keypad (besides the lack of tactile feedback) is that the screen can only handle one button press at a time. Most games require at least a d-pad and action button to be accessible at the same time in order to be playable. Pacman doesn't though :-D. Perhaps something workable can be thought up, though. Personally, I thought it might be fun to use the bluetooth connection to talk to a Nintendo Wii controller, but those are as big as the Neo... Matt There are some good java games for movile phone out there than can be executed with jlimo. I was able to run some games in the dosbox in jlime so I supuse that a lot of oldies pc games can be runned in neo too. About the key thing, despite we loose part of the screen, I supose it can be relatively easy to implement an alternative keyboard as the included one but only with 8 directional keypad (this keypad willbe an 8 swiched one but can evolve to analogic) and two buttons A B as fire ,jump etc... Mo Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: We don't have drivers for the 3D hardware, so I am afraid games like that are a little out of the question... although I think that would need something more powerful than what we have anyway wouldn't it? Would be very happy to see somebody get 3D working though =) It could be fun to see how app developers would exploit it, let alone having 3D games... I was about to say someone should port some gameboy emulator or something, since we do have 2D, but then the button thing hit me =P On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 00:04 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: I just watched http://gizmodo.com/388688/raging-thunder-iphone-racing-game-shows-tons-of-potential, and asked myself what sorts of games are tested/planned/running on the freerunner: For example, is planet Penguin Racer Working? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente.___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
I would also recommend that some form of authentication and (optionally) encryption be used on the data, in case you don't want the whole world to know your location. That way, you could have your phone report home its position by default, and if it gets stolen you just need to look to see where it is. Also, you could choose to share your data with anyone by sharing your public key. My apologies if someone mentioned it already, but something like openDMTP (http://www.opendmtp.org/) might be a good starting point. Cheers, Matt Lets not forget, you should be able to download the server software too, and run it on your own server :) /me points to the GPS location sharing project and thinks it could suite the task with authentication. Cheers, Federico Reply Header Subject: Re: Loosing your moko Author:Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03rd April 2008 9:00 pm On jue, 2008-04-03 at 18:30 +0200, Michele Renda wrote: Some days ago I was thinking something about this. My idea was this: 1. An application to install (who want) on openmoko. It is running as a deamon. Configure very simple like username, password, server. 2. If it is running, check if there is connection. If yes, it send his mac and gps coordinates to a server, that can be hosted to openmoko.org Using this approximation the centralised server could be used to many more things: Ex. Measure the distance between two FreeRunners, so you can find a friend in a party :) (In the centralised server at openmoko.org you can set who can see you location). 3. every person can access to a web application, on openmoko.org where a person can set the stealt allarm. It there is the stealt allarm, openmoko.org will keep all the gps position received every time that the freerunner is online. else if clean all the position after 7 day (I think is a reasonable time a person will know if a phone was stealt) 4. If a person didn't gave a stealt allarm, the person can not to access to position logs (to avoid privacy violation) It can run because who steal a phone, usually he can sell. And an openmoko phone is very suitable to go online, so if someone go online, he will send as soon info about his position. Is possible to think that it will send the inserted sim number or s/n. This is my idea Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: Hi there! I thought about the risk of loosing the moko or of getting it stolen... I got the following idea: If you can't find you moko, you only have to send an SMS with a special keyword/passphrase to your moko. It recognises the special text and sends the current coordinates to a server. So you can see it's position. cheers Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
