BT Laptop tether profile
What BT profile is used for laptop tether? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No Camera???
The situation where you absolutely need the camera is after you've been involved in a traffic collision. Hopefully you'll be able to use it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No Camera???
My RAZR was confiscated by the security people when I entered a federal building in Denver. I felt naked without my phone... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acoustic feedback
Scaredycat's builds are at http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/. Thank you Scaredcat. Lorn Potter wrote: Michael Welter wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Michael Welter wrote: I was making some test calls using the Neo and Qtopia. When I performed the echo test (+13034144978 x820) I got repeating echos (like you see with two opposing mirrors). I used a wrong alsa state in the Qtopia tech preview image, which has an echo problem (sidetone), which I think might be this. This has been on the list before, but OM will not send DTMF digits after the call has been set up. This is a bug in Qtopia. Comm guy loved that one. Has been fixed. The Qtopia sent DTMF digits just fine. OM won't send digits after the call has been set up. ahha ok. gotcha. Also OM is not able to make calls after returning from sleep mode. Known bug. Still working on this one. For whatever reasons, the modem starts spitting out junk characters. And I think the calls are not disconnecting properly--if the Neo is disconnected while the called telephone is ringing, the called telephone continues to ring. I haven't seen this one. I am going to issue a snapshot update, since I got audiostate switching fixed in Qtopia. Let me know if you need help with the testing. I think ScaredyCat from irc has setup snapshot image builds somewhere. -- Michael Welter Telecom Matters Corp. Denver, Colorado US +1.303.414.4980 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.TelecomMatters.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acoustic feedback
Lorn Potter wrote: Michael Welter wrote: I was making some test calls using the Neo and Qtopia. When I performed the echo test (+13034144978 x820) I got repeating echos (like you see with two opposing mirrors). I used a wrong alsa state in the Qtopia tech preview image, which has an echo problem (sidetone), which I think might be this. This has been on the list before, but OM will not send DTMF digits after the call has been set up. This is a bug in Qtopia. Comm guy loved that one. Has been fixed. The Qtopia sent DTMF digits just fine. OM won't send digits after the call has been set up. Also OM is not able to make calls after returning from sleep mode. Known bug. Still working on this one. For whatever reasons, the modem starts spitting out junk characters. And I think the calls are not disconnecting properly--if the Neo is disconnected while the called telephone is ringing, the called telephone continues to ring. I haven't seen this one. I am going to issue a snapshot update, since I got audiostate switching fixed in Qtopia. Let me know if you need help with the testing. Thanks for your feedback! -- Michael Welter Telecom Matters Corp. Denver, Colorado US +1.303.414.4980 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.TelecomMatters.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acoustic feedback
Sorry, extension 820 is the 1000Hz tone. Extension 821 is the echo test/ Michael Welter wrote: I was making some test calls using the Neo and Qtopia. When I performed the echo test (+13034144978 x820) I got repeating echos (like you see with two opposing mirrors). This has been on the list before, but OM will not send DTMF digits after the call has been set up. Also OM is not able to make calls after returning from sleep mode. And I think the calls are not disconnecting properly--if the Neo is disconnected while the called telephone is ringing, the called telephone continues to ring. -- Michael Welter Telecom Matters Corp. Denver, Colorado US +1.303.414.4980 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.TelecomMatters.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Acoustic feedback
I was making some test calls using the Neo and Qtopia. When I performed the echo test (+13034144978 x820) I got repeating echos (like you see with two opposing mirrors). This has been on the list before, but OM will not send DTMF digits after the call has been set up. Also OM is not able to make calls after returning from sleep mode. And I think the calls are not disconnecting properly--if the Neo is disconnected while the called telephone is ringing, the called telephone continues to ring. -- Michael Welter Telecom Matters Corp. Denver, Colorado US +1.303.414.4980 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.TelecomMatters.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Preferred versions
In make openmoko-devel-image, I'm seeing the following messages: preferred version 2.4 of glibc not available (I have 2.5-18) preferred version 2.4 of glibc-intermediate not available (don't have) preferred version 2.12.3 of glib-2.0 not available (I have glib2-2.12.3-2) preferred version 1.0.2 of dbug-native not available (don't have) The system is FC6 i386. What should I do about these messages? Thanks ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Here is a Cingular pay-as-you-go SIM: 73000G3021 Eric Johnson wrote: Can you tell me the numbers on the chip side of the SIM? Not the 20 digit ICCID but the 5 digit SKU followed by a letter and then the 4 digit Vendor and Version number underneath it. For example G&D cards say 71234 D 2202 Eric Pranav Desai wrote: On 7/29/07, *Andy Poling* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > Many people (including I) have not been able to get the at&t 3g sim card > (the one with the "3g fireball") working in our neos. The older cingular > ones do work (they are "64K smart chip"). I can make calls using the cingular 3G sim card. I dont know much about SIM cards/networks but it says 3G on it and its by cingular. Is there a way to confirm that its 3G ? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Michael Welter Telecom Matters Corp. Denver, Colorado US +1.303.414.4980 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.TelecomMatters.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger Graffiti
You're correct--I was thinking patent issues rather than trademark issues. Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Here's the most important thing I'm going to say in this message: IANAL, so everything I write below is speculation. Michael Welter writes: Rude or not, I'm posing a question to the community. If our developments do infringe on someone's patent, who are they going to sue? Me? You? FIC? All of us? A minor point -- of course, we're talking about trademarks here, not patents. Let's say we had a multi-touch display, and 20 developers developed some scrolling gestures. Who is Apple going to sue? Seems like the normal action in a lawsuit is to go after everybody in sight, especially the ones with deep pockets. So I'd guess, at a minimum, the twenty developers and FIC. But... it's awfully hard to prove damages when something is distributed for free. And the current patent situation is so chaotic that nobody really knows who is infringing on what patents, nor whether those patents would be found valid if the lawsuit happened. That's especially true now that the (US) Supreme Court has demanded that the lower courts apply a less ridiculous standard for obviousness than they had been. Combine that with some really big guns out there (especially IBM) donating several hundred patents with a no-sue pledge, contingent on people using those patents not suing free software developers, and I'm not worried about infringing patents. I have a lot more respect for a real trademark owner (as opposed to the various scum out there who have tried stunts like registering a trademark on Linux before Torvalds did) than I do a possible patent. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger Graffiti
So, who are they going to sue??? Giles Jones wrote: On 30 Jul 2007, at 00:49, Nkoli wrote: So, there I was pretending my phone has a touchscreen while I wait for GTA02 when this idea popped into my head for a keyboard alternative. I would very much like to hear thoughts. The design would remove the onscreen keyboard completely and replace it with a Graffiti-like interface that can recognize something as wide as a finger or as tiny as a stylus. A couple of icons for a symbols list and other essentials that the user may not want to write out (ex www., .com or greek letters) will be all that's left of the keyboard. For the sake of minimalism, the entire screen, excluding the very top or bottom where the icons are, will be used as the input area. The app should be activated or deactivated with one touch just like the current keyboard. It would have to have some excellent text recognition as well as a built in dictionary to suggest words, which should make up for any holes in the text recognition. Also, a find as you write feature will be handy for finding folders in the main menu, names in the contact list or numbers in the logs, basically reducing scrolling through areas that aren't primarily text based. The benefits of this finger graffiti are that it has a learning curve of zero, eliminates hunting and pecking so anyone can write quickly without needing to get used to the onscreen keyboard. Oh yeah, it's as fast as you can move your fingers and it can easily be done one handed. I have little experience with programming and I hardly do more than write little time saving scripts nowadays, so I honestly have no concept of what such an app would take. What d'you guys think? I don't think your finger will slide around the screen easily enough to make it work. Even if it does it will leave lots of smears on the screen. Also I don't see that typing is any slower than graffiti if the keyboard is well designed. I just hate using handwriting recognition, I've used it on Palm, Windows Mobile and use it now on my Nintendo DS. If you're like me and don't write on paper all that much you get irritated with having to write very perfectly on such devices, I'd also say typing uses less effort and you won't get finger/joint ache if you use it a lot. I think the major problem with small screen size and text entry is seeing the screen with your finger in the way. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Michael Welter Telecom Matters Corp. Denver, Colorado US +1.303.414.4980 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.TelecomMatters.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
So does this mean Cingualr is moving to proprietary SIMS? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: another GPS idea - speed-sensitive voicemail
In order to tether my Mac laptop to my GSM RAZR, I had to download a script from http://home2.btconnect.com/Taniwha/. The script was for GPRS, but I noticed there was also a script for GSM analog. I assume this modem connection would be between the phone and the base station, so that probably wouldn't do us any good. Ian Stirling wrote: Shachar Shemesh wrote: Michael Welter wrote: You're confusing GSM (Global Systems Mobile) with the gsm codec in Asterisk. I find that highly likely. I'm pretty new to Asterisk. They have different meanings. The codecs used by your mobile phone are not the same as the gsm codec in Asterisk. But it does use some codec. Even if it's not the same one, there is a piece of software that can decompress it, and you can (probably) store pre-compressed message you just want to dump on the line. I realize this cannot be done due to licensing and other considerations. I'm just saying that the details may be wrong, but the principle stands. No, you can't. Because the modem does not give you the compressed data. It gives you an analog output. There is no way (published) to make it send out compressed data. -- Michael Welter Telecom Matters Corp. Denver, Colorado US +1.303.414.4980 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.TelecomMatters.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: another GPS idea - speed-sensitive voicemail
You're confusing GSM (Global Systems Mobile) with the gsm codec in Asterisk. They have different meanings. The codecs used by your mobile phone are not the same as the gsm codec in Asterisk. Shachar Shemesh wrote: Ian Stirling wrote: There are 2 D/A, 2 A/D flexibly routed, and one D/A that is dedicated to the earpiece. About the only limitation is that you can't do things that would require more IO sources than are available. For example, playing stereo MP3, and acting as voicemail/answerphone may not be possible. (It'd have to drop to mono). Lost you there. You seem to suggest the following route for recording voice calls: 1. Call arrives compressed with a GSM codec 2. Phone decompresses codec 3. Phone moves uncompressed stream through D2A 4. Phone further moves stream through A2D 5. Phone compresses the resulting stream 6. Phone saves compressed stream, presumably to the flash Why not just do: 1. Call arrives compressed with a GSM codec 2. Phone saves compressed stream to flash I really don't see why the A/D infrastructure needs to be involved in voice recording at all. In fact, it seems that it should be easier for the phone to save the call than to play it to the speaker. Shachar P.S. Asterisk, for example, saves most of its recordings (pick up greeting, extension selection, voice mail greeting etc.) saved while compressed with GSM codec. As far as I understand things, if OpenMoko did that, playing a recording would involve getting it off the flash and dump it into the GSM line. Extremely light on CPU, and thus unintrusive. Sh. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Michael Welter Telecom Matters Corp. Denver, Colorado US +1.303.414.4980 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.TelecomMatters.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Custom case designs...
I would be very interested in a tamper-proof case with separate branding. For phones given to low-wage employees and/or teenagers, this is a requirement (tamper proof meaning seals would have to be broken to open the case). Etching on the back of the case would include reward/delivery instructions for recovery of lost phones. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Fwd: Re: Mokomake mkae setup fails]
Resend Original Message Subject: Re: Mokomake mkae setup fails Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:24:59 +0930 From: Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ewan Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: community@lists.openmoko.org References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ewan Marshall wrote: Make setup for mokomakefile is giving this error: mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openembedded.org, disconnecting This I can do nothing about. Either OpenMoko Inc. needs to find a monotone server that can handle the load, or you just need to keep retrying until it gets through. There are other mirror OpenEmbedded monotone servers, but none that are marked as official (i.e. either have an openembedded.org or openmoko.org domain), so I will leave it up to the owners of those domains to bless mirrors by adding them to one of those domains. [Some might say use ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl instead, but I don't think OpenMoko should depend on a server which is scheduled for disconnection without notice, and that is owned by a University that threatens you if you add a CNAME in another domain to one of their servers.] mtn: error: branch org.openembedded.dev has multiple heads The latest version of MokoMakefile will select one head and use that. "make update-makefile" to get it. -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Michael Welter Telecom Matters Corp. Denver, Colorado US +1.303.414.4980 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.TelecomMatters.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Looking for a mentor for Google SoC - interested in GPS-smart app devel
Hello Ryan, I would be willing to mentor you, as I am interested in your proposed software. However, I don't have any software development experience with embedded systems or kernel modules. My experience is C/C++, Java, Lisp, PHP, HTML, etc. let me know if and how I can help. Michael Welter Denver, Colorado 303-414-4980 Ryan Prior wrote: Dear OpenMoko community, I plan on writing and extending OpenMoko apps to take best advantage of GPS data, providing support to all OpenMoko apps via d-bus and providing useful built-in functions in the base Moko apps. My primary objectives are: 1) Write a library or daemon that provides simple geographically related data to Moko apps, such as creation and management of GPS points, distance between the phone and a point, finding the nearest point, generating a list of all points within a certain distance, etc. 2) Write a daemon that reports events based on geographical location or location relative to defined GPS nodes. This allows the phone to automatically perform tasks based on GPS data without each having to poll the GPS module by providing an event-driven geolocation architecture. 3) Write a GPS-smart todo list application that can give reminders based on location, generate a pared-down todo list based on location, and provides an API to other apps for parsing various structures (especially plain text, as might be received in an email or typed with the stylus, and info imported from calendars) into a todo list complete with geographic info. 4) Write GPS intelligence into a profile switching app, allowing automatic reconfiguration of the phone depending on geographical location or location relative to defined GPS points. Useful features include automatically going into drive-mode when driving, silent-mode when inside a theatre or symphony hall, silent mode (or disabled communications mode) when inside a public school, etc. 5) Integrate the above into an auto-task manager that can automatically perform tasks such as "Sync with my latest email and calendar data as I walk/drive to work" or "Put music player at top of my commonly used apps list when I get to track practice". The same task manager can also incorporate data such as current time, number of emails in inbox, which day of the week, etc. The goal of this application is to allow sophisticated control over phone automation for power users and give a number of sane, useful options to basic phone users. Scope of the Summer of Code project: implement 1 and 2 solidly, laying the framework for the next ones; implement 3 4 and 5 as far as time allows, focusing more on function than polish (though with the OpenMoko application framework, polish isn't exactly hard to come by!) About me: I am 18 years old and a USA resident. I have been tinkering with computers all my life, but only started programming at 11. My name is Ryan and my primary interests are computers, microbiology, and world travel (I'm writing this from Europe). I enjoy long walks on the beach and longer hacking sessions afterwards. My development experience: The languages I am best with are Python, Scheme, and JavaScript. I am willing to (and know that I have to) learn C/C++, and I know a smattering of Perl, PHP, and Java. I have worked with a number of application frameworks including GTK+ and have spent a lot of time using (and being frustrated with) mobile phones. I am comfortable developing on a Linux computer, and use a Linux laptop as my primary development tool. I have written a bunch of programs but I have never contributed to open source projects before. I'm looking forward to the experience! I have used many open-source project management tools but I have never used CVS before. I'm good at picking these things things up and I have strong online communication skills, so I am optimistic that I can learn the ropes quickly. Thanks for reading -- if anybody is interested in mentoring me, please help me get the ball rolling for summer 2007! I'm really excited to watch OpenMoko development unfold and I am itching to be a part of it. Cheers, Ryan aka PirateHead ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS for 911 calls
What is the protocol for sending the GPS coordinates to the 911 dispatcher? -- Michael Welter Telecom Matters Corp. Denver, Colorado US +1.303.414.4980 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.TelecomMatters.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Emulator
A little OT, but under what circumstances would a software developer require the debug board? Is it for hardware debugging only? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Emulator
A little OT, but under what circumstances would a developer require a debug board? Koen Kooi wrote: What do you want to emulate? If it's the cpu, qemu can do that, but not 100%, so you still need a real arm920t device to test on. If it's the screen, you don't have a 300dpi screen on your desk, so you still need a real device to see if the gui makes sense. If it's the touchscreen, you also need a real device. If it's the gsm modem, you still need a external modem. If it's just the apps, Xoo is good enough. Running openmoko built natively inside Xoo/Xephyr/Xnest is Good Enough(tm) for the biggest part of people trying to get an idea of openmoko. The strenght of openmoko is that it (re)uses 'desktop' technologies for nearly everything, so you don't need a VM to run symbian in or hack in a virtual framebuffer to get 'embbeded' guis do display. It's just plain old X. Please don't stare yourself blind on an 'emulator', since your desktop already emulates 90% of the openmoko tech. It will be a while before I get my hands on a Neo (March?) but I'd really like to start coding now. You can already do that without an emulator. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
USB Recharger
http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/index.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Phone enhancements
Forget the camera. Forget the WiFi. What *I* want is a breathalizer (alcohol sensor) embedded with the microphone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
