Re: Crossroads

[Mike Krier]

Mike wrote:

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:


GSM should work just about anywhere. Maybe you could just tell us where
you want to use this device?
Plus you're really arguing for no reason. This thread was _us_ asking
_you_ for help getting WiFi into this phone ;-)

-Sean



Sean, I did that in my thread "What mobile service...", I'm in NYC.

What I'm arguing for is that you either get wifi on the device OR 
provide official info about what service plan will work for the device.




Sorry- NYC = New York City.  I get so used to  abbreviating it.  (Hey 
what country is the OM team in?)


Any official sounding advice you have would be appreciated 
(understatement).  thanks,


m




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Re: Crossroads

[Mike Krier]

Marcel de Jong wrote:

What exactly do you expect for an answer, Mike?



I expect something official for an answer from someone official.


Are you going to Nokia/Motorola/Sony-Ericsson to demand they tell you
whether their GSM phones works with T-Mobile US / Cingular?
Of course it will work with their GSM phones, since GSM and GPRS are 
standards.


No, because Cingular can tell me that. They can't tell me that for the neo.


I'll tell you, here in The Netherlands, we have PCMCIA cards with
SIMcard slots. You put these PC-cards in your laptop, insert your
SIMcard and you have GPRS internet access on your laptop. They can't
stop you. In fact, they offer that service here in The Netherlands
themselves.


(I'm assuming you weren't directing that paragraph for me, I'm not in 
the netherlands).




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Re: What moblie service to get, part 2

[Mike Krier]

Mike wrote:



Jonathon Suggs wrote:
You can "dial" up, it will be really slow and probably unreliable.  I 
think 9.6k is as fast as you can go.  Not to mention that when you 
"dialing in" you will be using your cell phone minutes.  A data plan 
allows you to use GPRS, which is a newer (still pretty old though) and 
faster connection up to 56k.  The down side is that you will probably 
have to sign a contract.  You will then either get an unlimited plan 
(~$20-40/month) or a pay as you go plan (~.15/kb).


Let me know if you want more details.  And anyone else feel free to 
correct any mis-information.



Do you think this would work?

http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/pyg-cell-phone-plans.jsp 



I get confused about what counts as a "data plan".  It looks like 
they're putting text messaging under the term "data plan".  But it 
sounds like what you're saying is I'd need to do one of their "Data 
Connect" thing, right?  damn...


http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/services/services-list.jsp?catId=cat1510007&catName=Data+Add-Ons 



Can I do "SmartPhone Connect (5MB)" instead of "Data Connect"? It's 
cheaper...


See what I mean about this information needing to be somewhere on the 
openmoko site.  The phone is great but we can't develop for it if we 
don't know what service plan to get for it.


The sad thing is years ago I used to write WML apps. now I'm clueless. 
thanks,


m


Damn apparently my links don't work because of the jsp session. (Bad web 
application design on their part).


Here are all their data plans:


Data Add-Ons

PDA Connect Unlimited
With PDA Connect you can browse the Internet and access e-mail from your 
PDA device. And now, Xpress Mail is included with PDA Connect Unlimited 
at no extra charge.


View Details
You need a compatible plan and phone to get this service.
See compatible: Phones and Plans
*Monthly Price  $39.99
Data Connect 10MB
With Data Connect you can browse the Internet and access e-mail from 
your PDA device. And now, Xpress Mail is included with Data Connect 
Unlimited at no extra charge.


View Details
You need a compatible plan and phone to get this service.
See compatible: Phones and Plans
*Monthly Price  $24.99
Data Connect 5MB
With Data Connect you can browse the Internet and access e-mail from 
your PDA device. And now, Xpress Mail is included with Data Connect 
Unlimited at no extra charge.


View Details
You need a compatible plan and phone to get this service.
See compatible: Phones and Plans
*Monthly Price  $19.99
Data Connect 20MB
With Data Connect you can browse the Internet and access e-mail from 
your PDA device. And now, Xpress Mail is included with Data Connect 
Unlimited at no extra charge.


View Details
You need a compatible plan and phone to get this service.
See compatible: Phones and Plans
*Monthly Price  $34.99
SmartPhone Connect Unlimited w/Xpress Mail
With SmartPhone Connect, you can browse the internet from your wireless 
Smartphone handset.


View Details
You need a compatible plan and phone to get this service.
See compatible: Phones and Plans
*Monthly Price  $19.99
SmartPhone Connect (5MB)
With SmartPhone Connect, you can browse the internet from your wireless 
Smartphone handset.


View Details
You need a compatible plan and phone to get this service.
See compatible: Phones and Plans
*Monthly Price  $9.99
Blackberry Unlimited
Retrieve e-mail from up to 10 ISP accounts or your corporate e-mail with 
a BlackBerry Wireless Handheld. Send, receive, forward, and reply to 
messages while on the go!


View Details
You need a compatible plan and phone to get this service.
See compatible: Phones and Plans
*Monthly Price  $44.99
BlackBerry Internet Service Plan
Retrieve e-mail from up to 10 ISP accounts with a BlackBerry Wireless 
Handheld.


View Details
You need a compatible plan and phone to get this service.
See compatible: Phones and Plans
*Monthly Price  $29.99
Blackberry 4MB
Retrieve e-mail from up to 10 ISP accounts or your corporate e-mail with 
a BlackBerry Wireless Handheld. Send, receive, forward, and reply to 
messages while on the go!


View Details
You need a compatible plan and phone to get this service.
See compatible: Phones and Plans
*Monthly Price  $34.99
PDA Connect for BlackBerry Connect 4MB
With PDA Connect for BlackBerry Connect, email messages are 
automatically delivered to your device. You can easily send, receive and 
reply to emails and calendaring at your convenience.


View Details
You need a compatible plan and phone to get this service.
See compatible: Phones and Plans
*Monthly Price  $34.99
PDA Connect for BlackBerry Connect Unlimited
With PDA Connect for BlackBerry Connect, email messages are 
automatically delivered to your device. You can easily send, receive and 
reply to emails and calendaring at your convenience.


View Details
You need a compatible plan and phone to get this service.
See compatible: Phones and Plans
*Monthly Price  $44.99



And so you see why I'm hav

Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Mike Krier]

Marcel de Jong wrote:

On 1/15/07, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm in the US, in New York city.  What networks can I use a Neo1973
phone on?  Do all GSM carriers accept all GSM phones?




In contrast to CDMA phones, a GSM phone isn't normally locked to a
carrier, only the GSM-chip (SIMcard) that is inside your GSM phone is
locked to your carrier.
Some carriers offer you bundles with phones that are simlocked
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMLOCKS), which means that the phone
and the SIMcard are paired, but if you have a SIMcard you can put it
in any GSM-phone.

So no, they can't deny your phone.
The only limitation on which GSM-phones you can choose from depends on
the frequency that is used in your country. But given that the Neo is
quad band (it supports all current GSM-frequency ranges), they can't
stop you from using the Neo.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM#Radio_interface)

--
Marcel

ps.
I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)



I agree with this, and I'd also like to add that this list should also
auto-prepend a marker in the subject line like most other lists do, for
example [OMOKO-COM] so that we can set up mail filters.






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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Mike Krier]

Marcel de Jong wrote:

On 1/15/07, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm in the US, in New York city.  What networks can I use a Neo1973
phone on?  Do all GSM carriers accept all GSM phones?




In contrast to CDMA phones, a GSM phone isn't normally locked to a
carrier, only the GSM-chip (SIMcard) that is inside your GSM phone is
locked to your carrier.
Some carriers offer you bundles with phones that are simlocked
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMLOCKS), which means that the phone
and the SIMcard are paired, but if you have a SIMcard you can put it
in any GSM-phone.

So no, they can't deny your phone.
The only limitation on which GSM-phones you can choose from depends on
the frequency that is used in your country. But given that the Neo is
quad band (it supports all current GSM-frequency ranges), they can't
stop you from using the Neo.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM#Radio_interface)

--
Marcel

ps.
I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)



I agree with this, and I'd also like to add that this list should also 
auto-prepend a marker in the subject line like most other lists do, for 
example [OMOKO-COM] so that we can set up mail filters.






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