QtExtended and losing network
Hello According to my understanding Qt handle calls using CPI messages. If Moko lost network coverage sometimes after reconnection to provider, Qt does not receive CPI messages and therefore application do not receive call status events and we are not able to recognize any incoming or outgoing call event. regards Mile ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Data call (aka CSD) with QtExtended
Yes, nice explanation. CSD is used as preferable scenario for transporting crypted voice. Regards Mile On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2009 22:44:49 +0200 Mile Davidovic david.moko.comun...@gmail.com wrote: Hello My understanding is next: - qt extended have support for CSD but quite rudimentary (these words are from qt extended documentation) - sample qt application works fine with CSD but only first time (they have problem with releasing resources) In general, OpenMoko is capable of working with CSD but my understanding is that CSD (at least on Qt) is not preferable working scenario. Regards Mile Hi Mile, I'm sorry, but I'm not really familiar with CSD calls, could you ellaborate? Circuit Switched Data, the original GSM data mode where the phone acts as a slow (9600) conventional modem. Later HSCSD increased the speed a bit by channel bonding. My k700i will let you select between analogue and ISDN modem behaviour, handy when calling an ISDN line as it doesn't need all the time consuming analogue negotiation when it connects. In theory it should be really simple to use; just configure ppp as if you were connecting to a serial modem. gsm0710muxd or equivalent may complicate this slightly, but I wouldn't expect it to be any worse than the current use of ppp for GPRS. That said, I haven't tried it. While GPRS is faster CSD has other advantages which may be critical in some cases. You can call into it, which may not be possible with GPRS as it is often hidden behind NAT. CDS also has lower, predictable latency whch made it the transport of choice for a GSM cryptophone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Data call (aka CSD) with QtExtended
Hello I will try to help as much as possible and if ever I produce stable and bulletproof SW for CSD on QtExtended I will share my work. Regards Mile On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.bewrote: On Tue, 5 May 2009 22:44:49 +0200 Mile Davidovic david.moko.comun...@gmail.com wrote: Hello My understanding is next: - qt extended have support for CSD but quite rudimentary (these words are from qt extended documentation) - sample qt application works fine with CSD but only first time (they have problem with releasing resources) In general, OpenMoko is capable of working with CSD but my understanding is that CSD (at least on Qt) is not preferable working scenario. Regards Mile Hi Mile, I'm sorry, but I'm not really familiar with CSD calls, could you ellaborate? Also, it seems you've done some research in this. Care to join the development of QtEi for this part? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko and LCD TV
Hello, Yesterday I accidentally put my OM phone near LCD TV (Samsung). SW on OM is QT Extended and when I press power button (to wake up mobile) TV immediately turn off. I tried again and TV changed channel. So, on my phone this behavioure is repeatable. Is it normal behavioure? Thanks in advance Mile ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
I agree. Luckily I have additional Samsung TV (19 inch) and 5 OM phones. I will check with more phones. Regards Mile On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote: 2009/5/5 Marcel tan...@googlemail.com Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 18:38:42 schrieb Mile Davidovic: Yesterday I accidentally put my OM phone near LCD TV (Samsung). SW on OM is QT Extended and when I press power button (to wake up mobile) TV immediately turn off. I tried again and TV changed channel. So, on my phone this behavioure is repeatable. If the neo had an infrared led I'd have guessed it sends some random signal, but since it does not... Voodoo... °_° Seriously: Electromagnetic fields? GSM? I really have to try that with my TV... There are various standards that define the kinds/amount of EMI that an electrical device must: (1) be able to cope with, and/or (2) not produce in excess of. It sounds like either your OM or your TV might not be fully compliant. Sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko neo shape
I think that is little heavy for my neck? Mile On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: It has been designed for the asian market, where it's pretty fashionable to hold your phone with a strap around the neck. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko, glibc and backtrace
Hello I tried to use backtrace function from glibc on OM and I failed. I tried some google and I found some page which claims that backtrace is not supported in arm eabi. Also, I tried to debug some application with gdbserver and it seems that bt command does not work as expected. Do we have some wiki page about debugging OM? Kind regards Mile ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: toolchain with Ubuntu Jaunty (9.04)
Yes, it works fins as far as I can see. On 4/6/09, Michael Tansella michael-tanse...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, has anybody tried the new toolchain with new Ubuntu (9.04)? Is it compatible? Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Data call (aka CSD) with QtExtended
Hello My understanding is next: - qt extended have support for CSD but quite rudimentary (these words are from qt extended documentation) - sample qt application works fine with CSD but only first time (they have problem with releasing resources) In general, OpenMoko is capable of working with CSD but my understanding is that CSD (at least on Qt) is not preferable working scenario. Regards Mile On 3/27/09, Tuan TRINH openmoko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ed, Thank you. Will try and come back to you later. Cordially, Tuan On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote: Hi Tuan, I think our distributions differ to much to be of any more help. i am using om2008.12, you could try to run that of an sd card and see if it works that way. Aparently you do have a working data number on your phone, so that is a good thing. The hardware in the FR is capabale of making data calls, so that is a good thing too. Good luck, and let us know your success/failures, we all can learn from it. Kind regards, Ed On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 13:11 +0700, Tuan TRINH wrote: Hi Ed, My answers are bellow. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote: Hi Tuan, Strange that no connection is made to the landline modem. you see no response, but dou you see the at commands echoed back? When I make data calls, I see AT cmd echo back with OK -- modem acepts cmd. if not use ate1 to see the responses. I always use ATE1 at fisrt. you can restart /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd with the -v option and use logread to see what is send and received from the modem. Woop, I never see this process via ps. I use qtextend and before doing things with socat I always shutdown qtextend so I can connect to /dev/ttySA0. Do I need this before making data calls? Actually I can make voice calls by ATs without this. If you use the motorola to call your FR, can you pick up the call with the ATA command? Can, after seeing RING, I use ATH to accept. Do you see a ring message? Good luck ! Ed On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 17:38 +0700, Tuan TRINH wrote: Hi Ed, Just try to initiate data call but no success. There is a strange symptom that is: If I use the same SIM but on other mobile (Motorora Z8) I can hear the far end land-line modem sound respone but if I use FR to call the same modem: (1) via AT commands I see no response, both sound and response modem characters so can not use expect(CONNECT) with ppp (2) via GUI, it drop the call. My FR can do voice call normally. Do you have any way to debug the status of data call while using AT commands? I just know +CEER but it does not give much info. Cordially, Tuan SNIP ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finally buzz free and media attention
Yes, this will be great idea. Is it possible to collect all hw fixes on one place? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtExtended and establish datacall (CSD)
Hello I tried to establish datacall (CSD) on QtExtended (4.4.2) and I failed miserably. According to Qt (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtextended4.4/release-4-2-0.html) they even improved data call but I simply do not know how to establish datacall. I tried also to ask same question on QtExtended forum and I also failed miserably. Do we have any sample or piece of code which can give me example for CSD? Regards Mile ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie questions
Hello thanks a lot for Your answers. I tried latest Qt release (qtextended-4.4.2), according to documentation CSD is supported but I have trouble with using. QtExtented has example application (caller) which shows CSD usage but unfortunately example does not work for me. Also, how I can get source of kernel used in latest Qt delivery (testing-om-gta02-20081029.uImage.bin)? Kind regards Mile On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote: On Monday 09 March 2009, Mile Davidovic wrote: Hello What about CSD or data call? What is best way to enable CSD functionality? That'll depend on which distro you're using as they mediate access to the GSM modem differently. 2008.x uses QtExtended but I can't give you any pointers as to how it works beyond that. For distros using the freesmartphone.org dbus API you can use org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.AllocChannel to get a virtual tty, then use pppd to make your CSD connection over that tty as normal. Remember to free the channel after the connection is terminated. That's the theory anyway - I haven't actually tried it! See docs.freesmartphone.org for invocation details. There may be a case for extending the API to include org.freesmartphone.GSM.CSD as well as the existing PDP coverage. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie questions
Hello What about CSD or data call? What is best way to enable CSD functionality? Regards mile On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:25 AM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/3/9 Mile Davidovic david.moko.comun...@gmail.com: As I am new in this please help me with following: On http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions page I have read a lot of info regarding various distro (OM 2008.12, FSO, FDOM, QtExt, Android ...). If I want to use GTA02 as every day phone which distro I should chose? According to table on same page Qt Extended is most mature, but I do not see any information about OM 2008.12? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Om_series qt ext is very stable and usable, but because it uses framebuffer, not x11, there are limited applications that can run on it, unless you use the extremely bodgy x11 hack i was quite pleased with 2008.8, but .12 has been a complete pita for a simple stable phone, i'd start with qt ext and then give shr a go ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Newbie questions
Hello I would like to start developing application which should use CSD (datacall) capability of GTA02 phone. As I am new in this please help me with following: On http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributionspage I have read a lot of info regarding various distro (OM 2008.12, FSO, FDOM, QtExt, Android ...). If I want to use GTA02 as every day phone which distro I should chose? According to table on same page Qt Extended is most mature, but I do not see any information about OM 2008.12? My second questions is regarding status of CSD, according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd CSD is not supported. Do we have any update on this topic? Kind regards Mile ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
