Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[Peter Trapp]

Von: "Marc Bantle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
> > 1. how many people want this?
> >   
> +1

+1

> > 2. does anyone in the community step up and compile the distribution  
> > for GTA01? (there will be some work: size reduction, GPS chip, etc)
> >   
> I'd be fine with a tar.gz - image to put on SD-card. So
> size reduction is not necessarily an issue. Actually I'd
> rather have the complete 2008.08 suite.
> 
> How are other GTA01 users thinc about that?
> 

+1 


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Re: USB keyboards "silent" in terminal (FSO)

[Peter Trapp]

Von: "Fredrik Wendt"
> I bought a USB gender changer (5€) and today I've played with it to see
> what the smartphone's capable of. I really only have one goal and that
> is to avoid having to buy a BT keyboard for faster input in the
> terminal.
> 
> I've been able to connect two keyboards, they light up but doesn't
> "work" in the terminal (FSO). Is there something I can do to enable
> input from these external devices?
> 



Do you want to use a USB keyboard with your FR? I found in the community ML 
following answer, but I have not tested though...


In [1] Michael Sheldon said:
--
I am, it's pretty simple, just run:

echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode
echo "1" > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode

  This'll put the Freerunner in to powered USB host mode, then just plug 
in the keyboard and it'll work. Personally I've made a .desktop file to 
switch into and out of host mode. To switch back to unpowered device 
mode just run:

echo "device" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode
echo "0" > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode
-

HTH
-homyx


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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

[Peter Trapp]

> Von: "thomasg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On the 1973?!
> None of us can confirm this, our 1973 are mostly ok, only the 
> Freerunners make problems.

I had also big problems getting a fix with the 1973 (I only had a fix once). I 
will try my 1973 and FR against this issue.
Thx for the hint!

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Re: Presentation and some questions about flashing Freerunner

[Peter Trapp]

Von: "Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I was flashing my Frerunner this morning and all was fine. I tryed the 
> scaredy cat images without inconvenience but when I tried the qtopia 
> ones I got an "Error during download" message. After that I can not boot 
> in a correct image. I have reinstalled uBoot and I'm trying to go back 
> to the scaredy cat image, but any time I tried the flashing I'm getting 
> all the time "Starting download: [dfu_download error -62, Error during 
> download".
> 
> I tried also Nand erase. It seems to work fine but in new re-flashing 

Have you done a plain "nand erase"? or did you use a "nand erase kernel" or 
something like this.

Just some notes on "nand erase xy" from what I recall:
The "nand erase xy" was needed for the Neo1973 to "fix" a bug from uboot 
(iirc). The bug (for Neo1973 (GTA01) ) was about flashing smaller images 
(compared to the last installed one) to the nand. Here some older data remained 
in the partition and caused problems. With newer uboot version the "nand erase 
xy" was not needed anymore.

A "plain" "nand erase" (so without the partition name) erased the whole nand 
storage (including the BBT (bad block table iirc)). After a plain "nand erase" 
the Neo1973 (GTA01) bricked (because the uboot has been also erased). The 
debug-board is needed for unbricking the Neo1973 (GTA01). BTW: The BBT can also 
be restored.


All of the information above apply to the Neo1973! 


The FreeRunner has a second (backup) bootloader in NOR. This bootloader can not 
be flashed without a debug-board. You should be save here :) 
If you did a "plain" nand erase I would suggest that you boot into NOR and 
reflash the NAND bootloader. 

I don't think that a "nand erase xy" is actually needed for the FreeRunner ---  
Please correct if I am wrong. thx


> I'm getting:
> 
> Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
> No such Alternate Setting: "kernel"
> 

I can not say anything here. 

> I hope is not an unreparable damage. Somebody can point me a solution? 
> If there is a need to get the hardware board I will do it, but I hope 
> that I can find a software solution for this.
> 

I don't think so. Thanks goes to OM for the second (and save) bootloader :)


I hope that helps...
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Re: LCD protector

[Peter Trapp]

On Sonntag, 13. April 2008, Ortwin Regel wrote:
> They are a little too big but work well nonetheless.

I also attached some LCD protector. A little too big is not a problem. I 
didn't even cut it. I just attached to directly [1] 


Openness
Like Make Magazine we believe "If you can't open it, you don't own it".  [2]


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[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973

[2] http://openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-03-hardware.html

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Re: Price of the Freerunner spare parts

[Peter Trapp]

On Donnerstag, 27. März 2008, steve wrote:
> Maybe I just create a "spares" product?
>
> with 3 batteries, and some other goodies thrown in?
>
> What goodies would go in that bag?
>

In one of the first announcements there was a car holder (including a car 
charger). 

Do they still/already exist?

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Re: Price of the Freerunner published?

[Peter Trapp]

On Mittwoch, 19. März 2008, Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
> Quoting Peter Trapp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > Well, I've paid 300€ (=300$) for Neo1973 even without any reseller and
> > group purchasing with two other guys to save shipping costs  (to
> > Germany)!!
> >
> > So, where is the big problem?
>
> You can go to www.oanda.com/convert/classic to have currency
> conversions for any date.
>

Oh nice. I've search for end of April 2008 and didn't get any result? Also 
there is no real date when the Freerunner will be available. And also not how 
much it will cost.


> On the date of Sean's famous "Get them while they're still hot!"
> message, when ordering for Neo's was opened (9 July 07), 300$ equalled
> 220.216 euros. Today, the same 300$ equal 190.317 euros. This *should*
> be evident from the pricing.

That is true and really a point! But how much will the exchange rate at end of 
April?



In [1] it is said that (discussion between ScaredyCat and TRIsoft):
 399$ would make 257 EUR
 Shipping from China / Taiwan / US appr. $70 to Europe
 is $469, makes 302 EUR
 plus 19% VAT is 360 EUR for a self import at the actual price.
 399 EUR for the preorders is what we fixed during the meetings with 
a capping if the USD should fall in April
 Be sure, that we will lower the price, if possible.
 Actually, all we can say is: A device in Europe will cost not more 
than 399 EUR.
 Including all legal expenses and VAT
 And, believe me, the profit is not big. Profit may be less than zero 
if we run into warranty problems.
 We're in daily contact with the people at OM and i hope that we'll 
be able to lower the EU price a bit. But we'll never get 250 EUR.







> Resellers should get their profit from buying large quantities at a
> discounted price, I believe.
>

Yes, I think so ...


Don't get me wrong, the lower the price the better ;)

cheers,
- homyx


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Re: Price of the Freerunner published?

[Peter Trapp]

On Mittwoch, 19. März 2008, Andy Powell wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 March 2008 16:10, Steven ** wrote:
> > Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at
> > http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to
> >-b razil/
> >
> > "The price range for the Neo FreeRunner has been published, it's going
> > to be less than 400 USD — which is quite a substantial improvement
> > over the estimated 650 that was published last year."
> >
> > Was the price range really published?  Where is it?
>
> One can only hope that 'trisoft' aren't the official distributor in Europe
> since they have the Freerunner priced at a 'preorder' price of 400EUR
>
> I'm going to say it once and very very loudly...
>
> 400USD != 400EUR
>
> If this is an indication of the pricing for Europe, please arrange for some
> European versions to get shipped to the USA where we can buy them and have
> them shipped to Europe.
>
> 
>

Well, I've paid 300€ (=300$) for Neo1973 even without any reseller and group 
purchasing with two other guys to save shipping costs  (to Germany)!!

So, where is the big problem?

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Re: Price of the Freerunner published?

[Peter Trapp]

On Mittwoch, 19. März 2008, Lally Singh wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Steven **
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at
> > 
> > http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to
> >-brazil/
> >
> >  "The price range for the Neo FreeRunner has been published, it's going
> >  to be less than 400 USD — which is quite a substantial improvement
> >  over the estimated 650 that was published last year."
> >
> >  Was the price range really published?  Where is it?
>
> Equally important -- is that the stock unit price or the dev kit?  The
> latter would be fantastic, but I fear it's just the former.

Michael Lauer said, that there will not be any advanced box anymore[1]. The 
range (IMHO of the basic set) will be between 350 - 450   as said by 
mickeyl  ...

cheers
-homyx



[1] Talk at OpenExpo 2008at  ~ 22:22 min   (German)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2115673181798091662&q=openexpo+openmoko+2008&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
(this link can also be found at the above mentioned webpage ;) )

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Re: Idea of a voice mail application

[Peter Trapp]

On Freitag, 29. Februar 2008, Shawn Rutledge wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Peter Trapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  I thought about the possibility of a voice mail installed on the neo. 
> > The idea is to let the application decide if you are reachable for the
> > caller or not. The decision will be done on profiles (time, who is
> > calling, what to do (let it ring or answer directly) ).
>
> I proposed that on another thread.  I think it's doable, and there is
> software to do it already (asterisk, vgetty, some alternatives to
> asterisk that I haven't explored yet).  

Many thanks for the advice. I try to find that thread and go through :)

> But since the call is being 
> answered, some minutes are going to be paid for (in the US the
> recipient pays and elsewhere the caller pays).  It would be nice to 
> get the cooperation of the carrier to do stuff like this, but good
> luck negotiating with them.
>

Yes, I guess the caller has to pay. I thought I will always pay, if I call 
a "voice mail"  ;S

I don't think I can change anything here...

> I think there is an AT command to reject a call, right?  So you could
> send incoming calls directly to your carrier's voicemail service,
> based on time of day and caller ID etc., but you couldn't customize
> the voicemail; it would be the same for everyone.

This is also a nice idea. As said, I will search and go through the thread :)

cheers
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Idea of a voice mail application

[Peter Trapp]

Hi everybody,

I thought about the possibility of a voice mail installed on the neo.  The 
idea is to let the application decide if you are reachable for the caller or 
not. The decision will be done on profiles (time, who is calling, what to do 
(let it ring or answer directly) ). 

Eg: 
Saturday 10:00pm and your boss is calling (and you have a signal)
Neo is aware that it is "weekend" and who is calling. It just turns on the 
voice mail... 

Dear Boss, actually it is weekend and I just don't want to get some work right 
now. Sorry, my neo will not even inform me that you've called. So don't try 
again later. It would not help until Monday 9am! Have a nice weekend

  --- without the possibility to leave a message  ;) 


Or another example:
A friend  is calling but you just do not hear the phone. Neo waits a 
couple of seconds and turns on the voice mail saying:

"Hi , sorry it seems I just do not hear my mobile. Leave a message or 
try again in a few minutes...   *cheep*



Any additional ideas / thoughts?

I will help in realizing this application but I just do not have enough time 
to do it alone. Any takers?


cheers
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Re: A bit of fun - freerunner and the wisdom of crowds

[Peter Trapp]

On Freitag, 8. Februar 2008, JW wrote:
[snip]
> So now I think we should apply this to helping team OpenMoko to decide how
> many FreeRunner's they should manufacture in their first run *based on how
> many people they think will buy a Freerunner in the first two months from
> launch*.
>
> Rather than have a ridiculous number of answers in this thread we need
> someone in the OpenMoko community to whip up a little webpage script which
> allows you to
>
> * enter your nick
> * click yes/no if you will buy yourself
> * enter your guess for no. sold in first two months
> * press button to see results (min/max/ave/no.of votes/no.of intended
> purchasers)
>
> Anyone offering to make the webpage?
>

Beside of some suggestions you made, a similar webpage already exist:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List

Have fun improving it :)

cheers
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Re: Is there any MPlayer running on Neo1973/OpenMoko platform?

[Peter Trapp]

On Montag, 26. November 2007, Mete Fikirlier wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have just received a Neo1973 and wanted to use MPlayer. Is there any
> MPlayer running on Neo1973?
>
> I found the following statement at the bottom of  
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Media_Player
>
> Is there anything i can use just to see video playing on the neo?
> A: Yes, there is a version of mplayer floating around somewhere
> (mplayer-arm920t) which runs on the neo. URL unknown, ask in the IRC
> channel for a copy. It seems to play MPEG files around 320x240 at an ok
> framerate.
>

There is also an ipk package which you can easily install from a repository...

ipkg update 
ipkg install mplayer

Dunno if there is a gui for using it ?!

cheers
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Re: Dev environment - one more time

[Peter Trapp]

Von: Hans van der Merwe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> anyone have the dev environment going in openSUSE 10.2?

Got it running with some "workarounds".

> 
> Im still struggling and the info at OpenEmbedded is too Debian biased.
> 

Could you please describe your the struggling point? I can try to port this to 
openSuSe :)



I know you are struggling with OE. Therefore these are just some additional 
notes: 
Have you checked this side: 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile#openSUSE_10.2_workarounds

& which gcc version are you using? 

gcc 4.x is not supported...

If you experienced other problems, please describe them in more detail...


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Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.

[Peter Trapp]

On Friday 03 August 2007 14:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thomas:
>
> Importation of computer devices and peripherals to the EU is indeed both
> VAT and import duty exempt - it appears that the description of the goods,
> compounded with the value statement, has led to this issue. It is indeed
> OpenMoko's error in not understanding the rules and I hold them responsible
> for not disclosing that fact.
>
> When I can import USD$50,000 prototypes for computer peripheral units
> without paying VAT and without paying import duty, I expect to be able to
> do the same for a USD$450 prototype.
>

I would not expect this. I've talked to some guys from UPS regarding VAT. They 
told me that I have to pay VAT if the price of the more than 22€. This 
information belongs to germany (dunno if I can extend this to the EU). Btw I 
didn't had to pay import duty...

- homyx


> Not to get into a flame war but, for your reference, VAT is 17.5% in the
> UKand I ordered the Advanced...
>
> Have fun!
>
> David.
>
>
> 
>
> From: Thomas Gstädtner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 03 August 2007 13:12
> To: David Prior
> Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.
>
>
> Well, you chose to live in the wrong country (or the wrong continent). You
> should know what expects you if YOU IMPORT a device. This is not the fault
> of OpenMoko (Inc.).
> Also there is no duty on computing devices and mobile phones in the EU - so
> I guess you are wrong. GBP60 sounds like VAT (15.5% in UK), seems you have
> ordered the basic device, so this IS VAT, no duty! VAT is levied by your
> country, not by FIC/OpenMoko and if you chose to import you WILL have to
> pay VAT every time - and the one you import from doesn't have to find out
> for you how much it is (as it is charged by the customs, not by the
> company).
>
>
>
> 2007/8/3, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>   Just thought you all might like to know that OpenMoko shipments are
> attracting import duty in the United Kingdom.
>
>   Despite paying USD104.99 for 'expedited' shipping, my order arrived 
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>
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Re: 2007.2 - questions

[Peter Trapp]

There has been a discussion about OpenMoko2007 and  OpenMoko2008 in the 
mailing list. I guess you will find more information there.

Additionally:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2


That's all I know, I didn't followed the thread :|

-homyx


On Friday 03 August 2007 12:44, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I read OM lists daily but I still have some basic questions about
> 2007.2. Could someone explain:
>
> - what is 2007.2 code?
>
> - can I install it on my GTA01v4? How?
>
> - can I use this with MokoMakefile?
>
> - when do you plan to make it ready for testing?
>
>
> best regards
>
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Neo Pouch

[Peter Trapp]

I found an interesting strip inside of the neoPouch. Last but not least we can 
fix our stylus there :)


OT:
My phone received at about 09:30 :) and I'm from Germany ...

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Re: whee!

[Peter Trapp]

hi again,

I found the link (and several others) for updating thekernel, rootfs  ( & 
u-boot -> be careful this can break the device, but you have an advanced 
set :) )

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Phase_1

cheers 
-homyx



On Thursday 26 July 2007 18:43, Peter Trapp wrote:
> Have you checked this wiki?
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1
>
> > Before you start
> > The software installed on your device is a factory variant with very
> > limited
>
> functionality. In fact, it may not even boot Linux.
>
> > Therefore, before you start, please ... (update kernel? and rootfs)
>
> There should be also a link, which describes the procedure to power it
> up!!!
>
> That's the way I like! Before you can start you've to HACK into!!
>
> That's why the "K"  is in openmoko :)
>
>
> -homyx
>
> On Thursday 26 July 2007 18:08, Mark Eichin wrote:
> > Advanced kit arrived, yay!
> >
> > Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo!
> >
> > The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself,
> > either...
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Re: whee!

[Peter Trapp]

Have you checked this wiki?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1
> Before you start
> The software installed on your device is a factory variant with very limited 
functionality. In fact, it may not even boot Linux.

> Therefore, before you start, please ... (update kernel? and rootfs) 

There should be also a link, which describes the procedure to power it up!!!

That's the way I like! Before you can start you've to HACK into!!

That's why the "K"  is in openmoko :)


-homyx


On Thursday 26 July 2007 18:08, Mark Eichin wrote:
> Advanced kit arrived, yay!
>
> Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo!
>
> The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself,
> either...
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Re: I got charged ;)

[Peter Trapp]

FIC/openmoko did a create job :)

many persons (incl me) are waiting to get charged on their credit cards 
like a small child shortly before christmas...






Krzysztof Kajkowski schrieb:

...and shipping cost are LOWER than previously mentioned on the page:


Your credit card has now been charged by the following amount:

Subtotal: $300 USD
Shipping: $67.89 USD
Total: $367.89 USD

Please note that this amount might be less than what was originally
mentioned in the webshop, since we meanwhile got better shipping rates!

This means that we will now send out your order ASAP.

You will receive another status update once the order has been sent out.


Way to go OpenMoko!

cayco

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Re: I got charged ;)

[Peter Trapp]

what's your   rt.internal number ?

waiting eagerly :)



Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote:

...and shipping cost are LOWER than previously mentioned on the page:


Your credit card has now been charged by the following amount:

Subtotal: $300 USD
Shipping: $67.89 USD
Total: $367.89 USD

Please note that this amount might be less than what was originally
mentioned in the webshop, since we meanwhile got better shipping rates!

This means that we will now send out your order ASAP.

You will receive another status update once the order has been sent out.


Way to go OpenMoko!

cayco

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Re: Openembedded with openSUSE 10.2

[Peter Trapp]

Thanks for the information, asap my computer is running again, I'll mess 
 around with the open problems (if not closed so far)...




George Barta wrote:

I have been able to build the environment with the MokoMakefile, and
run the emulator after a couple of workarounds.  Unfortunatelly, I'm
having no luck getting gadgetfs to behave properly in order to SSH
into the phone.

See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile for more information on
the makefile, and
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile#openSUSE_10.2_workarounds
for the hacks.

George

On 7/19/07, Peter Trapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Are there news on that?

thx
-homyx


Hans van der Merwe wrote:
> Anyone had luck getting the dev platform working in openSUSE 10.2?
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Re: Openembedded with openSUSE 10.2

[Peter Trapp]

Are there news on that?

thx
-homyx


Hans van der Merwe wrote:

Anyone had luck getting the dev platform working in openSUSE 10.2?
  


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Re: Shipping, Billing, etc

[Peter Trapp]

From P1_Owners (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners) you can see 2 
credit card charges: #1820  &  #1821 (from the 07/18/07)


highest number seen:   #3882

-homyx



Scott Rushforth wrote:

Out of curiosity,

Has anyone else seen their credit card charged?

My order was only 1838, and my card has not been charged, nor have I 
received an ack, or any form of confirmation after replying with 
'YES_I_DO'.


Seems like they should be able to process at least 18 credit cards per 
day?  Maybe Not?


Ah well, whats another week, right?

cheers

-scott




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Re: Shipping, Billing, etc

[Peter Trapp]

YES_I_DID


:) or better we => group purchasing :)

From our side everything went fine (#1952 -> also not that fare away 
from Jason (#1820) if this mean something at all). I'm just curios...




Rodolphe Ortalo schrieb:

Hmm, btw, I did not even get a "YES_I_DO" message personnally... has
everyone on the list received one against their order?

Rodolphe



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Re: Shipping, Billing, etc

[Peter Trapp]

Ian Stirling wrote:

Peter Trapp wrote:
I don't want to wait another 6 weeks (~ End of August) to buy GTA02   
2 month later...




Based on basic sums of tickets and phones per order, it seems likely 
that the number of phones ordered is 800-1500 or so.

It is very likely that there will be a delay.


It's likely that there will be some delay for sure. IMO they had around 
1000 on stoc for shipping (dunno where the number came from)...


It's less the question if there will be a delay. More to whom it 
concerns ...




If they kicked off the production process for the next batch on the 10th 
- after having several hundred orders - then 4 weeks comes around the 
8th of August. Probably another week at least for shipping.

So, at best, another month.

At worst - if nobodies pressed the button, and the production time is 6 
weeks, and this doesn't happen till they get the first batch out the 
door, we might be looking at the first days of November.




first days of November ...
   ... probably they will just ship GTA02 ;)

I guess it will be something in between (08/08 -- start of November) , 
but that's the point. There should be some statement on that...



These are only my 2 cents. Don't count on GTA02...

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Re: Shipping, Billing, etc

[Peter Trapp]

I'm not concerned about the number of units. It's more about the 
delivery date. On


http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ:

Are there enough phones for the number of orders? Will FIC produce 
another GTA01 batch if needed?

>Of course. Please note that there is a lead time of four to six weeks.


I don't want to wait another 6 weeks (~ End of August) to buy GTA02   2 
month later...





Daniel Robinson wrote:
I had some concerns about this also.  There has been very little info 
coming out from OpenMoko about the number of units of each type that 
have been ordered by developers and how many are available.  Moreover, 
there hasn't been any information about where we are in the queue.  
All that has been said is that you get one email, then you get another 
email, then you get your dev unit.


Do they expect me to keep hitting the refresh button like some 
blue-haired lady playing the nickel slots?



On 7/19/07, *Giles Jones* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Benjamin Flanagin < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote :

> The limited number of neo's have got me worried that I might not
be in
> the first batch. Have anyone been charged for the device yet?
I'm ready
> to learn the ways of Openmoko Ninjitsu.
>

One person has confirmed on the list that their order has been
processed.

There's a few factors, first there's two colours. Secondly there's
two kits, the phone only and the phone + dev board kits.

Maybe the white and orange versions will be in more supply?

---
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Re: Reason for openmoko - bugsafe?

[Peter Trapp]

Hi all,

I've read the article in German. They are written about a stuff like this:


Fabien schrieb:
Just to (hopefully) clarify: I've read, probably from some very 
unreliable internet source, about a scheme where police make the 
carrier uploads an "improved" firmware over the air, which turns the 
phone into a microphone, even when not calling; it changes the 
shutdown function into a "pretend to shutdown yet go on spying"; the 
only fix would then be to remove batteries.


As source "heise" cites an article from the very common political 
magazin "Spiegel"...


Beside of updating the phone with an "improved firmware" they talking 
about using different signals (my 2cent: not mentioned in more detail) 
to switch on the hands-free set to be able to record/listen tothe 
environment noise of the phone -- as long as the phone is switched on.


The second possibility mentioned in the news is that the phone will be 
switched to a "switched off" mode by turning off the screen and the 
speaker. In fact the mobile is still connected to the provider. 
Therefore the police has to work together with the provider (my 2cent: 
as mentioned above from Fabien via the firmware).


And last but not least, the third method to change the phone to be able 
as a bug is to hack the mobile via BT, WLAN or IR and dropping a 
trojaner into it.



my 2cents (only short):
I think these parts has to be discussed more separatly.

At least the third point (hacking the phone) can be handled and improved 
here. (using firewall, monitor, ...)


And also the 2nd one is more difficult using a freed phone (as also 
stated from Fabien see below).


For the first one. I'm not sure about the "signals" they're using. More 
technical detail are necessary (at least for me :) ).


If you're talking about this, let's say that this kind of scheme is 
much harder to implement on an open-source phone, especially if you 
can run an arbitrary set of monitoring applications on it. It's not 
theoretically impossible, but probably completely impractical, even 
for a rogue state agency.





Sorry for my bad english. Hope that helps to clarify the Topic...

cheers
-homyx





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Re: Get them while they're still hot!

[Peter Trapp]

> On 7/9/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Get them while they're still hot ;-)
> >
> 
> what happened to the in car mounting kit? or can we get a
> recommendation on a compatible model?
> 

I asked the same question on Sunday July 8, the official 
answer from sean was that they had problems with the cable 
and they decided to focus on more important stuff.

Also he stated that the selling of the car kit will probably! 
start with the massmarket phone.


Personally I don't car too much about the cable (I'm 
interested in the holder) but I fully understand!

cheers
-homyx

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Re: Car Kit for purchasing

[Peter Trapp]

Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb:


On Jul 8, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Peter Trapp wrote:

In the first announements there were the possiblity to buy a car kit 
for the NEO1973. Are there news on that? Prices, Contents...




Probably not until GTA02. We had some issues with the cables and decided 
not to focus on that now. 



Yes, ok! I can not even imagine the amount of work you did and that's so 
wonderfull...


I just wanted to save a couple of shipping cost ;)

Go on and forget about the car kit ...

-homyx


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Re: Store info - shipping costs to Germany

[Peter Trapp]

Von: "David Pottage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Gesendet: 10.07.07 07:43:09
> 
> Agreed, those shipping prices are a tad high. I think we should try to
> organise some order sharing via the Wiki, Perhaps someone with enough edit
> rights could create a new page sorted by country, and then people could
> add their name & city. 

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Order

The side already exists. Maybe we can split it like 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Order/de ?!

feel free to edit...

cheers
-homyx




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Are these mobiles marked as sample

[Peter Trapp]

Hi,

i found the following on the "group purchasing" wiki page:

Don't forget to include incoming VAT which you've to pay to customs! Or 
maybe not, if the'll mark it as sample...


Can we order it as a sample?

Thanks
-homyx

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Shop is open :)

[Peter Trapp]

Shop is open :)

cheers
-homyx

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Car Kit for purchasing

[Peter Trapp]

Hello,

In the first announements there were the possiblity to buy a car kit for 
the NEO1973. Are there news on that? Prices, Contents...


wishes
-homyx

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Re: Group purchase/shipping generally

[Peter Trapp]

Hello list,

Thomas Gstädtner schrieb:
before some days Hans van der Merwe asked, if it is possible to do 
group purchases (in South Africa).

Unfortunately he got no answer, so I'd like to ask again.
I'm from germany and I think there are many people here who like to 
buy a GTA01 device.
If everyone orders a single device it are $20 to $40 for the shipment 
PLUS 19% VAT on the device INCLUDING the shipment.

Are there news? I would also join/setup a groups purchasing (in Germany)...

Best wishes
- homyx

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Re: community Digest, Vol 20, Issue 9

[Peter Trapp]

Actually not really, but we've a students project "programming games for 
mobile devices (java)" running, may I can "exploit" this ;)
Another good point could be voice control and/or an user friendly UI for 
visually impaired persons. I've already talked to a professor who did a 
couple of students projects with embedded devices...


/homyx

Joseph Ryan Victoria schrieb:

Hi Homyx, Wolfgang!

Do you have any project in mind with regards to using Neo?  I'm also taking my 
MS degree here in the Philippines and I'm focusing on mobile computing/telecoms 
too.  Maybe you can share your thoughts.

Thanks!
- Ryan

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of homyx
Sent: 24 March 2007 19:44
To: Wolfgang Silbermayr
Cc: OpenMoko
Subject: Re: Master Studies in "Embedded systems" starts in
Pforzheim/Germany

Wolfgang Silbermayr schrieb:
  

I am just finishing the Bacchelor grade in HSSE (Hardware/Software
Systems Engineering) in Hagenberg in Austria. Here at the university we
have the master following to HSSE called Embedded Systems Design. In
addition we also have a branch of study called Mobile Computing. I think
it would be great if we could make OpenMoko popular there... I just
don't know how to do this other than ordering my Neo and showing it to
other people and hoping that the word of mouth will spread the
information. This is just what I will do.

Greetings, Wolfgang.
  

If you're still at the university you should ask a professor for setting 
up a "students project". I'm applied at the University of Applied 
Science in Ingolstadt (Germany) and I'm trying to allure a professor.  
The  budget of a professor for  his/her labor should be enough to buy 
2-3 Neos for debugging reasons :)


/homyx
  


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Re: Problem compiling openmoko with MokoMakefile

[Peter Trapp]

Gary Oliver:

I've been trying to get the openmoko build (using the super Makefile)
to go for the last few days without complete success.

I believe I've followed the instructions with respect to the system
requirements, and the build DOES get through about 12 hours of work
(about 400meg has been downloaded and the build directory contains
about 5 Gb before failing, so it seems to be quite well along.

The failure comes at:

NOTE: package gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0: task do_fetch: completed
NOTE: package gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0: task do_unpack: started
NOTE: Unpacking /home/go/Projects/openmoko/sources/gtk+-2.10.9.tar.bz2
to
/home/go/Projects/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0/
NOTE: package gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0: task do_unpack: completed
NOTE: package gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0: task do_patch: started
NOTE: Applying patch 'no-xwc.patch'
ERROR: Error in executing:
/home/go/Projects/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-directfb_2.10.9.bb
ERROR: Exception:exceptions.IOError Message:[Errno 2] No such file or
directory:
'/home/go/Projects/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/files/./no-xwc.patch'

I did a

/home/moko$ find . -name no-xwc.patch
./openmoko/branches/oe/pre-20070305/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.10.3/no-xwc.patch
./openmoko/branches/oe/pre-20070305/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.6.10/no-xwc.patch
./openmoko/branches/oe/pre-20070305/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.10.6/no-xwc.patch
./openmoko/branches/oe/pre-20070305/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.4.13/no-xwc.patch
./openmoko/branches/oe/pre-20070305/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.8.16/no-xwc.patch
./openmoko/branches/oe/pre-20070305/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.2.4/no-xwc.patch
./openmoko/branches/oe/pre-20070305/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.8.9/no-xwc.patch
./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.2.4/no-xwc.patch
./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.4.13/no-xwc.patch
./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.6.10/no-xwc.patch
./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.8.9/no-xwc.patch
./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.8.16/no-xwc.patch
./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.10.9/no-xwc.patch
./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.10.10/no-xwc.patch


I decided to copy all patches from ...gtk+-2.10.9/   (because of 
"18:46:56 (97.93 KB/s) - »/home/moko/sources/gtk+-2.10.9.tar.bz2« saved 
[1490]"  ... )


/home/moko$ cp ./openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-2.10.9/* 
/home/moko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/files/./


The result is, that all patches appling:
NOTE: package gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0: task do_patch: started
NOTE: Applying patch 'no-xwc.patch'
NOTE: Applying patch 'automake-lossage.patch'
NOTE: Applying patch 'disable-tooltips.patch'
NOTE: Applying patch 'gtklabel-resize-patch'
NOTE: Applying patch 'menu-deactivate.patch'
NOTE: Applying patch 'xsettings.patch'
NOTE: Applying patch 'scroll-timings.patch'
NOTE: Applying patch 'small-gtkfilesel.patch'
NOTE: Applying patch 'migration.patch'
NOTE: Applying patch 'run-iconcache.patch'
NOTE: Applying patch 'hardcoded_libtool.patch'
NOTE: Applying patch 'no-demos.patch'
NOTE: Applying patch 'single-click.patch'
NOTE: Applying patch 'spinbutton.patch'
NOTE: Applying patch 'gtk+-handhelds.patch'


But only the last one failed (known: `less 
/home/moko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-directfb_2.10.9.bb`)


NOTE: Applying patch 'directfb_pixbuf_deprecated_fix.patch'
ERROR: Error in executing: 
/home/moko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-directfb_2.10.9.bb


I did not find the "directfb_pixbuf...", neither by a locale "find" nor 
by a "google find"  and also not with "google openmoko find" :-(


I also checked the tarball "gtk+-2.10.9.tar.bz2" (there's no other "gtk" 
inside of /home/moko/sources).



The error is reproduceable...
I did a

`rm -rf sources build openmoko`
`mtn update`  (mtn was complaining about a missing file (mtpaint-??) )
`make update makefile`
`make setup`
`make openmoko-devel-image`


rgd
/homyx

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Re: useability of phase 1 phones

[Peter Trapp]

Hi, 

there's a description about the different phases on wiki.openmoko.org

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications

There're 3 different section (stylus, panel and finger)

AFAIK these are the appl which will be produced in that face, so starting 
phase-1 should include phase-0 appl. All others programs will drop in ;)


So I think you will be able to use it as a "phone" but keep in mind it's a 
developer version, so maybe it's unstable ...

rgd
/homyx

- I'm not a official openmoko speeker ... 


> Hi,
> 
> 2007/3/9, Martin Raißle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > hi,
> >
> > i know the phase 1 phones are some kind of developer preview, but i'm
> > not sure about how "preview" they are. can i use them at least for
> > calling and writing text messages (and maybe internet) or are even
> > these basic functions still in development ... i need a new phone
> > since my old one will say goodbye in few weeks and i'm not sure if i
> > should get a neo1973 or another phone .. hope someone can help me
> 
> I'm exactly in the same situation and would also like to know if at
> least calling, addressbook and writing/receiving SMS works.
> 
> > bye
> > martin
> 
> Thanks,
> Andreas
> 
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