Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?
We have them available now at our UK shop https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Shopthiscat=8 Alexander Frøyseth wrote: I am refreshing the mokostore site every 5 min. Manually When are the sale going to start??? Are almost sick to get one!! Alexander Frøyseth ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Rob Wood TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk T: 0845 5083397 F: 0709 2117048 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?
Alexander. I meant to say available to pre-order now for shipping on the 18th. Sorry Rob Rob Wood wrote: We have them available now at our UK shop https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Shopthiscat=8 Alexander Frøyseth wrote: I am refreshing the mokostore site every 5 min. Manually When are the sale going to start??? Are almost sick to get one!! Alexander Frøyseth ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Rob Wood TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk T: 0845 5083397 F: 0709 2117048 -- - Rob Wood TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk T: 0845 5083397 F: 0709 2117048 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group Sale Vancouver, BC
Hi Ben, If you've still got a spot open then I'm in... I'm assuming it's group 2 under Vancouver on the wiki, so I'll add myself there. Please confirm. Regards, -Rob Tymensen On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Ben Cadieux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, We've got a group sale with 4 spots left for Vancouver, BC. If anyone would like to join, please send me an e-mail and sign up on the GroupSales wiki. Best Regards, Ben Cadieux ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group Sale Vancouver, BC
OK, thx anyways... On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Ben Cadieux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rob, It didn't work out since the group wasn't full when sales started; not sure if anyone in the group didn't buy direct. Best Regards, Ben Cadieux On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Rob Tymensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ben, If you've still got a spot open then I'm in... I'm assuming it's group 2 under Vancouver on the wiki, so I'll add myself there. Please confirm. Regards, -Rob Tymensen On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Ben Cadieux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, We've got a group sale with 4 spots left for Vancouver, BC. If anyone would like to join, please send me an e-mail and sign up on the GroupSales wiki. Best Regards, Ben Cadieux ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -Rob There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who do not. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?
We at TrueBox (in the UK) are expecting a batch of Freerunners in on the 18th July and are taking orders now. If anyone is interested the shop is at: https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Shopthiscat=8 Best regards, Rob Marcel wrote: Seems like this is true. There must have been placed plenty of orders, I was (imho) really quick but still got no confirmation for any date... :( -Marcel Am Dienstag 01 Juli 2008 14:10:42 schrieb Christ van Willegen: Does that mean that if I didn't get an e-mail form Pulster stating that it will be shipped on the 5th, I get it the 25th (if not later)? Christ van Willegen On 6/30/08, Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Afaik all the freerunners which came to Europe with the first shipment are selled out. Jay Vaughan schrieb: Hi all, I've just tried to place an order for one Freerunner with Pulster.eu, and discovered there aren't any left? So where do I buy one from in Europe? Alternatively, I think I can do a 10-pack deal .. between my workplace (THALES) and the playground (MetaLab.at), I for sure can come up with 9 other interested parties. How do I do this? Please advise. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Rob Wood TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk T: 0845 5083397 F: 0709 2117048 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko availability from the online store
If any of you are not buying from TrueBox ONLY because we cannot deliver to an alternate address can you email me [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let me know. Rob Robin O'Leary wrote: On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 03:11:04PM +0100, Mark Sterling wrote: ... the UK distributor truebox state they will only send to the card holders address. Which is all fair enough in terms of combating fraud. Alas I'll need to get one delivered to my work address as I'm unlikely to be at home for a delivery. You should have a word with your credit card company and ask them to add your work address as an additional AVS address. I've done this successfully with all my cards, though I've sometimes had to insist it was possible when the first person at the call centre didn't know how. Incidentally, if this article is to be believed, the 'address' check is surprisingly weak: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7448187.stm Robin. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Rob Wood TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk T: 0845 5083397 F: 0709 2117048 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko official resell partners
The £272 price from TrueBox does indeed include UK shipping and VAT together all the other incidental charges/costs that we have to cover in addition to the base price of the Freerunner. The Freerunner kit we will be supplying will contain all the addition items only included with the 10 pack shipments from Openmoko. Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 6/11/08, Kyle Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Tsai wrote: UK TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk Mr. Rob wood £272 delivered to anywhere in the UK... http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/015080.html says it's $399, from the US presumably. At the current exchange rate that's £203... I think I can get it shipped across from the US for less than £70 If that price include VAT, it is not that bad. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Rob Wood TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk T: 0845 8692190 F: 0709 2117048 DDI: 01908 268903 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tinylogin: file can not be created! error on do_rootfs
Sounds like bug #740 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=740 -Rob On 8/22/07, Myk Melez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to build OpenMoko using mokomakefile on Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), and it's dying with the following error: NOTE: Running task 3401 of 3403 (ID: 4, /home/myk/Projects/moko/openembedded/packages/images/openmoko-devel-image.bb, do_rootfs) NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0: started NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0-r0: task do_rootfs: started ERROR: function do_rootfs failed ERROR: log data follows (/home/myk/Projects/moko/build/tmp/work/fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/openmoko-devel-image-1.0-r0/temp/log.do_rootfs.4849) | + rm -rf /home/myk/Projects/moko/build/tmp/rootfs | + '[' 0 '!=' 1 ']' | + mkdir -p /home/myk/Projects/moko/build/tmp/rootfs/dev | + for devtable in /home/myk/Projects/moko/openembedded/files/device_table-minimal.txt | + makedevs -r /home/myk/Projects/moko/build/tmp/rootfs -D /home/myk/Projects/moko/openembedded/files/device_table-minimal.txt | makedevs: /home/myk/Projects/moko/build/tmp/rootfs/bin/tinylogin: file can not be created! NOTE: Task failed: /home/myk/Projects/moko/build/tmp/work/fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/openmoko-devel-image-1.0-r0/temp/log.do_rootfs.4849 NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0-r0: task do_rootfs: failed ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0: failed ERROR: Build of /home/myk/Projects/moko/openembedded/packages/images/openmoko-devel-image.bb do_rootfs failed ERROR: Task 4 (/home/myk/Projects/moko/openembedded/packages/images/openmoko-devel-image.bb, do_rootfs) failed NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 3400 tasks of which 0 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed. ERROR: '/home/myk/Projects/moko/openembedded/packages/images/openmoko-devel-image.bb' failed make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 1 Does anyone know what the problem might be and how to resolve it? -myk ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gmail users CC'ing
This is totally off-topic for the list, really, but whatever... I use gmail because spam has made email pretty much useless for me. Because I have default addresses enabled for many of my domains, I get something in the neighborhood of 1500 'dictionary attack' spam messages a day. It's not easy to disable default addresses, because I've been using these domains for years, long before spam was a problem. Many people I don't want to lose touch with send mail to me at a variety of different addresses, and there's no way I could really set up explicit forwarders for every alias people use to get in touch with me. I don't have the time to make spam-blocking a part time job, and I haven't found a 'set it and forget it' spam blocker option that doesn't either block legitimate messages or let massive amounts of spam through. Gmail does a pretty good job of blocking spam. I route most (but not all) of my email to gmail, and now only a couple of spam messages get through. I keep my private communications on my own server under a couple of specific accounts. I don't like the privacy issues with gmail, but a cost-benefit analysis tells me it's better to let Google serve me some ads and store some of my non-confidential email than it is to spend a good chunk of my days filtering spam. Anyhow, let's all just get along ok. sheesh. On 2/13/07, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:26, Alexandre Franke wrote: On 2/13/07, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why so many people who believe in the ideals put forward by the Neo/Openmoko project are happy to use Gmail astounds me... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Get your own OpenMoko T-Shirt
Just for the record, as a 'member of the community' or whatever, I don't like this. Sean, you might want to consider keeping tighter control over your trademarks. Just because you are opening your phone, you don't have to open your trademarks for people to use in their own profit making ventures. This looks to me like some guy will probably make some money (even if it's only a couple of Euros) by slapping your trademark on some cafepress-type site - essentially free-riding on the interest you guys have created in this project by doing little more that cutting and pasting your trademarks. Even if this guy isn't making much, the site is. I'd prefer to see you guys make your own t-shirts, and have the money actually go to support the project. I think it's important to make a distinction between opening your source and opening your wallet. As an avid open source guy, I still support you guys maintaining control over your trademarks (for profit making purposes, at least... When controlling one's trademarks becomes a means of censorship, my support dwindles significantly, but that wouldn't be the case here.) If you're thinking that the community wouldn't support you if you denied some guy the right to stick your logo on a cafepress t-shirt, I think you're wrong. I think that in order for this project, and open phones generally, to succeed, it will be important for you and FIC to be able to make a profit - I think it's totally reasonable for you to maintain control over your ability to capitalize on your marks. If anyone should be making a couple of euros from OpenMoko shirts it should be you guys. ROB ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Get your own OpenMoko T-Shirt
The solution to dilution via unlicensed use (ie: fan sites) is to give people explicit permission or a license to use the mark under certain circumstances for a certain purpose. On 2/12/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 12 February 2007 17:18:35 Joe Pfeiffer wrote: I don't mind it a bit. One way corporations have destroyed an incredible amount of good-will in the past has been by trying to retain a too-tight control over their trademarks The problem with trademark law is that if you don't protect your trademarks, you can lose them. So arguably companies are pressed to close down fan sites using unauthorized logos... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voice over GPRS?
Bit rate=sampling rate x bit depth 1kb/s isn't going to get you too much audio. Try encoding an mp3 at 1kb/s to see how audible that would be. I think you'd be looking at something more along the lines of 32-64kb/s to get anything that you could understand. It might be easier to make a phone call. Conveniently enough, I think the device will have that capacity as well. On 2/2/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve! Does anybody has experiances/ideas about Voice over GPRS? How long is the delay? It could maybe used for asyncron voice communication Talk2Talk (instead of pushing a button) In Germany did three Prepaid Provider published new Tariffs with 0.24Euro/MB. German pages: http://teltarif.de/arch/2007/kw05/s24754.html data cost calculator: http://teltarif.de/mobilfunk/datenrechner.html I think with this tariffs using mobil data becomes interesting ;) By using 1KB/s for audio and some overhead, let us say 2 KB/s 0.24Euro/MB = 24 Cent for 500 seconds, 60 seconds makes then about 3 cents. When both using this 6 cents. Hmm that would be interesting when the user makes often make brakes/pause in their talk. Greetins, rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phone enhancements
I would like a blender and a toaster (for small toast... I realize that including a full size toaster would make the phone a lot less portable.) If the phone could also work as an electric razor and nose hair trimmer, that would be great too. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possibilities for commercial software?
Only because it says so, right there in the US Constitution: Congress is granted the right to enact statutes To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. As I said, it's about securing for authors the exclusive right to control who gets to make copies of their works. You're missing the most important part... A limited monopoly is granted with the intent of providing an economic incentive for authors to create, and therefore to promote the progress of science and the useful arts. The entire history of western copyright law, right back to the statute of anne and even before to early grants of letters patent supports the position that a copyright monopoly is granted not so much in recognition of some natural property right in intellectual property, but rather as an economic incentive to creators to create works which serve to advance the collective body of human knowledge. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Non-gprs Internet access options without wifi (cel-dialup)
E.g.: I've used a Sidekick and now use a Nokia 9500 intensivly, and I seldom go over 1-2MB per day (despite it having EGPRS, which is a qualitive jump). ...In Canada, at $.03 per kb, 1-2 mb per day would add up to somewhere in the neighborhood of $1000-2000/month. We have awful data plans here because the telcos were protected monopolies until recently (and are run by jerks). At $.03 per kb there's not much you can do with the internet without going bankrupt, unless you really get a kick out of pinging things occasionally. Anyhow, I've been thinking about it, and at 9600 baud or whatever it wouldn't be worth bothering with. I think what I'll do is build a little pocket sized battery powered usb hub with an attached usb 802.11 dongle. While I'm at it, I'll probably put an sd card reader and an extra usb port or two on it as well. It could be kept pretty small by custom building it in an altoids case or something. Thanks for the CSD info though, that's interesting. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
