Re: need someone to develop this....
Actually, I don't think shoogle mentioned the pairing-shaking security idea. I thought that they were only creating non visual user interfaces to things like number of SMSs and battery charge. The main similarity is shaking, which maracas and rainsticks both clearly have prior art on these ideas. Randall On 12/3/07, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: um, is anyone that's replied on this thread a member of the University of Glasgow team that developed the software(shoogle)? I'm guessing not. it has obviously already been invented, which means that disclosure arguments are rendered moot by prior art. Moreover, trying to patent something that someone else invented is theft of intellectual property... preventing this is one of the reasons the GPL exists. If you want to go forward on this, check with the authors(see below for contact information) they'd probably be delighted to have community help in developing it. Authors(taken from http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~rod/publications/WilMurHug07Interactive.pdfhttp://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/%7Erod/publications/WilMurHug07Interactive.pdf): John Williamson Dept. Computing Science University of Glasgow Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roderick Murray-Smith Dept. Computing Science University of Glasgow Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK and Hamilton Institute National University of Ireland Maynooth, Ireland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stephen Hughes Dept. Computing Science University of Glasgow Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK and SAMH Engineering -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Hardware
By open/free do you mean the datasheets, or do you mean the actual design of the chips, because none of the chip designs are probably available. I think you mean to ask proprietary hardware that is able to have free/open software developed for it. Randall On 12/1/07, Binary Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 17:11 -0800, Cailan Halliday wrote: Is there a list of hardware that is currently not completely open/free. Is it just the GSM chip and the GPS? -Cailan The atheros datasheet is also not available. Bin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
iPhone doesn't have GPS, so how does that fit your mythical project? GPS works in the US. It is a US invention. It is owned by the US. It is run by the US. We donate it to the world. Why would it not work in the US? It works EVERYWHERE, that's why it's called Global Positioning System. How are there so many people who know so little about cell phones, GPS, and PDAs that claim to be supporting projects on this phone? How did you convince your company to start these projects? Why was Michael's initial post saying that 850MHz is not supported because of hardware layout not enough? How do people decide that they want quad band phones without knowing what they really are and why they would want them (besides wow, quad band works everywhere, right? Great, I'll just get quad band so I never have to think!)? On 11/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We were willing to wait for the commercial version to start our development, but if that is not going to be functional in the USA in remote areas like other cellphones, then it is lights-out for any possible future vendor here in the USA who want to incorporate this in to an existing product line. Thats a fact not a wine. I will get a development kit from Apple and live with it. Our products need a gps/phone/computer system as an add-on and it cant wait past January 2008. If the GPS works great I will buy it as a PDA in future once it is released. This morning the project using the NEO was canned, reasons are, ever shifting timetables and secondly, too much risk when the rug is pulled from under your feet by FIC suddenly not supporting US frequency bands, while there are other alternatives such as Iphone available with a development kit that might meet our development scenario -- (about just). Unfortunately rural access is crucial for our applications, so it just became a no-no. Anyway thanks to all for the input, and the NEO was a great idea till now, unfortunately it does not seem if it will be available in a working state within the next year here in the USA. All of luck with OpenMoko. Bye. Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: In this case it is a very valid issue and definitely not a complaint or a whine. It basically tanks one of the largest consumer bases and it tanks my project in my company until I find something else. Well the man at FIC (Michael) said that this issue is being evaluated, i'm not associated with fic in any way so anything i'm writing is because i've read the mails coming from this mailing list. You left out one important part in your mail below. No, i've left anything because the subject of this mail is regarding the 850MHz issue, GPS is not involved with it. Well, then add in the WIKI that GPS will still work in NA, else it only makes matters worse for marketing and is misleading by not disclosing all the features that will work.. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
I want to apologize for this post. This post has nothing to do with community. It is just insulting to many people. I was wrong to post this and I hope the people who felt insulted will accept my apology. Stupid posts like mine are something that just drive people apart and that is NOT community. Sometimes I wish I could have never said something. Now is one of those times. Randall On 11/8/07, Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iPhone doesn't have GPS, so how does that fit your mythical project? GPS works in the US. It is a US invention. It is owned by the US. It is run by the US. We donate it to the world. Why would it not work in the US? It works EVERYWHERE, that's why it's called Global Positioning System. How are there so many people who know so little about cell phones, GPS, and PDAs that claim to be supporting projects on this phone? How did you convince your company to start these projects? Why was Michael's initial post saying that 850MHz is not supported because of hardware layout not enough? How do people decide that they want quad band phones without knowing what they really are and why they would want them (besides wow, quad band works everywhere, right? Great, I'll just get quad band so I never have to think!)? On 11/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We were willing to wait for the commercial version to start our development, but if that is not going to be functional in the USA in remote areas like other cellphones, then it is lights-out for any possible future vendor here in the USA who want to incorporate this in to an existing product line. Thats a fact not a wine. I will get a development kit from Apple and live with it. Our products need a gps/phone/computer system as an add-on and it cant wait past January 2008. If the GPS works great I will buy it as a PDA in future once it is released. This morning the project using the NEO was canned, reasons are, ever shifting timetables and secondly, too much risk when the rug is pulled from under your feet by FIC suddenly not supporting US frequency bands, while there are other alternatives such as Iphone available with a development kit that might meet our development scenario -- (about just). Unfortunately rural access is crucial for our applications, so it just became a no-no. Anyway thanks to all for the input, and the NEO was a great idea till now, unfortunately it does not seem if it will be available in a working state within the next year here in the USA. All of luck with OpenMoko. Bye. Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: In this case it is a very valid issue and definitely not a complaint or a whine. It basically tanks one of the largest consumer bases and it tanks my project in my company until I find something else. Well the man at FIC (Michael) said that this issue is being evaluated, i'm not associated with fic in any way so anything i'm writing is because i've read the mails coming from this mailing list. You left out one important part in your mail below. No, i've left anything because the subject of this mail is regarding the 850MHz issue, GPS is not involved with it. Well, then add in the WIKI that GPS will still work in NA, else it only makes matters worse for marketing and is misleading by not disclosing all the features that will work.. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: i'm going to lose my neo....
I don't see why you don't do this with bluetooth. If you have a headset that you will always have in your bag or on your person (ie. it doesn't get left behind with your phone if you leave) you can run this script on your Neo. You just have it constantly pinging the headset and testing the rssi of the connection. When it goes below a point, have it play a siren ring tone. http://www.goitexpert.com/entry.cfm?entry=Use-Your-Bluetooth-Cell-Phone-as-a-Proximity-Card-for-your-Laptop It seems to work for me. For my phone/dongle combination, I would probably set the distance at a 0 or a -5 for the minimum RSSI before making a siren noise. For the script in the link, you would not have anything for NEAR_CMD and FAR_CMD=mpg123 siren.mp3 for example. Does this sound feasible? It could give you an excuse to get a bluetooth headset :-). Of course ,then again, if your headset runs out of batteries then your phone will start alerting everybody on the train while you struggle to kill the looping background process :-). Randall On 11/8/07, Henryk Plötz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moin, Am Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:22:24 +1300 schrieb Robin Paulson: ideas? any other absent-minded daydreamers out there? is RFID the way to go? are there any unlicensed parts of the radio spectrum that are free for use by anyone using low-powered radio transmitters? It should be possible to get http://www.openbeacon.org/ to do just that. The tags can talk to each other or to a base station. You should be able to program two tags to ping each other in regular intervals and then make themselves noticeable when they lose contact. (There are two I/O pins that could be connected to an external piezo buzzer or vibrator.) In principle it should even be possible to fit one of the tags into the Neo, though that might require a new tag PCB design. I think roh already had dreamed about something like that some time before (in a different context). The radio transceiver used by OpenBeacon operates in the 2.4GHz band, but does not follow any particular standard (e.g. no Bluetooth, no Wifi). But it's small and very low power. -- Henryk Plötz Grüße aus Berlin ~ Help Microsoft fight software piracy: Give Linux to a friend today! ~ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
Michael said above that it was a question of a physical hardware change: The chipset is capable of quad band but the board was laid out to only support 3 bands. So, 850Mhz is not supported on the GTA01 board. Instead we support 900/1800/1900MHz. Board layout is a hardware issue. On 11/6/07, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, I don't know much about the hardware in question, but is it just a firmware issue, or does the hardware have to physically change to move between the 900 or the 850 frequency? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
Actually, http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html and http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-03-hardware.html still state quad... On 11/6/07, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:37:39 -0800, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to add to the fire on this one, but no 850 is a definite deal breaker. No quad-band is a serious limitation, as it has been marketed since inception as a quad-band phone. I see now that the openmoko.com page has been updated to state that it is a tri-band phone, not a quad-band phone - last night it clearly stated quad band. I just wish this had been clearly identified 3 or 4 months ago. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
there are loads of smart phones being sold in Europe... loads. Is that a new unit of measure in europe? If you have no exact data, you have to approximate. The countries with the highest phone/person ratios are japan, finnland, italy, spain and germany. I wouldn't say this are third world countries, so you can assume we are not speaking of old nokia 3310, but probably some really hig-tech phones. It's Asia first, then Europe and the the America's, largely because the US had an incompatible system of their own for years. And you may be suprised about china too, 1% of the chinese buying a phone is as just as good as 4% of the US buying your phone. And it's far easier to gain marketshare in China then in the hugely locked-up US market. Ok, so I guess this whole thing in your mind is really good biz dev strategy because they dont need the US. No one sais they don't need usa. Just if they have to drop usa or rest of the world.. i would choose usa. Lol. They need more strategists like you at FIC. I think they would need more testers, as we saw.. Hank Stefan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org My dream, my world: http://abenu.wordpress.com My work: http://unicoinuffico.wordpress.com Before printing this email, assess if it is really needed. Thank you. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google's Android open phone stack announced
I think it's cool that this technology will be available. It will provide a safe haven for developers. People can run both something powerful and customizable and have a featureless stable platform. I hope it works well with OKL4 virtualization. That way we may get some of both worlds. I don't know if we should expect drivers. That's the whole apache2 license. People can develop their own proprietary parts and not have to release it. On 11/5/07, enaut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Arvidson schrieb: http://www.news.com/Google-unveils-cell-phone-software-and-alliance/2100-1039_3-6217001.html Did they not see Openmoko.org http://Openmoko.org? It looks like the Google name carries weight and can roll over juggernaut style like MS. What does this mean in the long run for OpenMoko, and how will these two project parallelize? --sagacis Imagin all the free drivers that are released by that open aliance. Anyway a bad thing that could happen is, that FIC is not interested in competition and therefore cancels the development... but that would be highly unlikely. mfg enaut ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
Generally, my rule of thumb is that rural places have more 850MHz, urban places have the 1900MHz. The only place I would usually see 850MHz was on road trips, but now that I live on the North Shore, there is only about 50% coverage for 1900MHz (and it's always like 1 bar). Randall (ClashTheBunny) On 11/5/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. We realize that this is a very grave issue and are treating it with the utmost concern. Michael digger vermont wrote: That's to bad. Like many people I've been looking forward to getting a Neo and using OM. Now I'm not sure if I will. I do a fair amount of camping and canoeing, at times in rural areas. I wonder how often the lack of the 850 band would cause problems? I looked around some and couldn't find any good info on where 850 is used. Seems like this could affect a lot of people's decision to get the GTA02. digger On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 09:35 +0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Unfortunately, this also affects the GTA02, which is now far too close to production to try to enable quad-band operation. An 850/1800/1900MHz variant has been suggested but this is not yet determined. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
