GTA02 status updates please
Hello Openmoko folks, please keep us in the loop regarding the GTA02 development. How is it progressing? Do you have pictures of the inside of the prototypes already? Is it still on track for the October release date? The last update on GTA02 was more than a month ago. Thanks, -Sven Neuhaus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: This list is *broken*
Jay Vaughan schrieb: Can the listadmin please pay attention and fix the broken list? We don't need all these repeats and it seems like mailman is borked, re-sending messages to the list over and again .. Sending these pleas to the list won't help, you want to contact the list owner (CC)... -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
HTC P4550 smartphone (p)review
This smartphone has what a future OpenMoko device should aim for, hardware wise (keeping the hires screen of course): http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=256569 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cannot reply to the email with YES_I_DO so I have ordered again
Justyn Butler wrote: Mail sent to @gmail.com http://gmail.com rather than @ googlemail.com http://googlemail.com still reaches me, but it will not allow me to send from @gmail.com http://gmail.com. You seem to be unaware of the fact that unsigned emails can be trivially spoofed? From what I've read, the openmoko servers do not seem to look at SPF records so there shouldn't be a problem. -Sven Neuhaus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Remember: No shipping of Neo 1973 before July 16th
Guys, does noone remember this posting http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/006633.html by William Lai of OpenMoko's community development department? The phone won't be shipping before Monday Julty 16th which is probably the reason why you haven't been billed yet. Relax. -Sven Neuhaus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Store info - shipping costs to Germany
FYI, shipping to Germany: Neo BaseNeo Advance 1x 2x 3x 4x1x 2x WORLDWIDE_EXPEDITED $71.85 $83.14 $94.15 $114.52 $104.99 $134.16 SAVER $75.19 $88.25 $100.73 $118.89 $112.08 $139.04 WORLDWIDE_EXPRESS $77.46 $90.23 $103.00 $121.73 $114.35 $142.16 WORLDWIDE_EXPRESS_PLUS $122.86 $135.63 $148.40 $167.13 $159.75 $187.56 Looks like shipping from within the EU (as promised) didn't happen yet. Will it be in place by October? Seems like worldwide_express is the best option for most since it's not much more expensive than the cheaper options but probably up to 2 days faster. Regards, -Sven Neuhaus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pictures
Mario Wewer wrote: Are there any pictures of the phone from the back side and from the top?! I can only find pictures from the front and the down-side... Look here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lorphos/512691305/ The bottom looks identical. There is no space for a stylus. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Brainstorm: less functionality per device, more devices
Jonas Meyer wrote: Instead of monolithic do-everything devices, create many single purpose devices that do their jobs very well, and can be chained together. I've been thinking about the same thing. With the recent arrival of USB-connected monitors (powered by DisplayLink chips) and wireless USB, it's only a matter of time until the touchscreen display (perhaps w/ speaker + microphone) is separated from the rest of the phone/pda or, perhaps as a first step, additional (large) displays can be connected via wireless USB. It would be great if OpenMoko hardware is among the first to get on this bandwagon. Btw, if you go to http://www.displaylink.com/products/applications.htm and click on Ethernet-based thin clients they do claim Linux compatability... -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko at GSM Village at Chaos Communication Camp 2007
There will be a GSM Village [1] with OpenMoko participation at the upcoming Chaos Communication Camp 2007 [2] August 8-12th near Berlin, Germany. Hope to see you there. I also hope to see some Neo1973s purchased and brought to the camp by regular people ;-) Ticket presale started today, however the program with more than 100 lectures and workshops has not yet been released. -Sven [1] http://events.ccc.de/camp/2007/GSM_Village [2] http://events.ccc.de/camp/2007/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day?
Jonathon Suggs wrote: [...] I agree with most of what you wrote - FIC is likely to skip GTA01. So yeah, you can call me on a GTA-01 (does that even work yet) Yes. I've used one myself and took a picture of someone else calling with it: http://flickr.com/photos/lorphos/512691193/ -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Asus Eee - interesting companion for the Neo1973
Interesting device: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9292516116.html http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=7317 It's dirt cheap and it looks like a nice companion to the Neo1973 to have a keyboard for text input and a larger screen. You need a GTA02 unit so they can communicate via WLAN, looks like the Eee-PC won't have Bluetooth. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!
Steven ** wrote: As far as mainstream press, check out June 2007 issue of Popular Science magazine. The Neo is one of 29 Hot Products. FYI, the phase 1 Neo1973 will also be featured briefly in upcoming german c't magazine 13/2007, page 28. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices
Hello, here's the size and weight of a few touchscreen mobile phones: Neo1973 iPhone M600i LG Prada length (mm) 120.7115 107 98.8 width 62 61 57 54 height18.5 11.6 15 12 weight (g)184 135 112 85 screen (inch) 2.8 3.5 2.6 3.0 As you can see, the Neo1973 is by far the heaviest of the phones with touchscreen. It's also the biggest. It weighs almost *twice* as much as the LG Prada, despite having a smaller screen! It's also 50% thicker than the Prada (which, unfortunately, isn't a smartphone). The iPhone has a *much bigger* screen than the Neo1973 and it's still smaller and a lot lighter. When designing future models, I'd really like to see something light and small (but still with a touchscreen). I've been carrying around a rather fat and heavy (160g) P800 phone for the last years and it's annoying. I was going to buy a Sony Ericsson M600i phone but then the Neo1973 was announced... I know the Neo1973 has an awesome hires-screen and I look forward to it, but sooner rather than later I want to have a lighter, thinner phone once again.. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: There is many good solutions out here. From my point of view, I would like something like this: - launch apps-security - check the check boxes you like: x encrypt phonebook [...] I think this would be possible since each of these groups is stored in separate places. Usually the user should not need to encrypt more than 100MB. Oops.. 640k is enough for everyone, right? ;) With a 512MB SD card, we have enough space to make an encrypted partition (maybe inside a file) if we want but I don't know if this is a good solution or not. What I'd like to see is an easy way of storing *all* important data (phonebook, SMS, addresses, pictures, music, you name it) on the microSD card instead of the internal flash. Then I can just make one large encrypted 2GB LUKS partition on the microSD card and everything is encrypted. When the phone is rebooted or the microSD card is removed, the data is safe until the passphrase is provided. One remaining question is if the user manually wants to lock the phone during use (usually with a PIN). We can't really unmount the microSD card because then the phonebook is unavailable and incoming calls can't tell who is calling (and thus how to treat the call). So I guess it remains mounted all the time, which considerably lowers security of course. Perhaps the phone should unmount the card after you enter the wrong PIN a few times, or enter a special PANIC-PIN. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: There is many good solutions out here. From my point of view, I would like something like this: - launch apps-security - check the check boxes you like: x encrypt phonebook [...] I think this would be possible since each of these groups is stored in separate places. Usually the user should not need to encrypt more than 100MB. 640k are enough for everyone, right? ;) With a 512MB SD card, we have enough space to make an encrypted partition (maybe inside a file) if we want but I don't know if this is a good solution or not. What I'd like to see is an easy way of storing *all* important data (phonebook, SMS, addresses, pictures, music, you name it) on the microSD card instead of the internal flash. Then I can just make one large encrypted 2GB LUKS partition on the microSD card and everything is encrypted. When the phone is rebooted or the microSD card is removed, the data is safe until the passphrase is provided. One remaining question is if the user manually wants to lock the phone during use (usually with a PIN). We can't really unmount the microSD card because then the phonebook is unavailable and incoming calls can't tell who is calling (and how to treat the call). So I guess it remains mounted all the time. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Regarding encryption on openmoko...
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: I don't really see why one would want to use Truecrypt when there's been LUKS in the Linux kernel for years now... Right. And with FreeOTFE you can even access your encrypted LUKS partitions on a Windows-PC or on a Windows-Mobile PDA. Ext2IFS for windows (www.fs-driver.org) adds ext2/ext3 support. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)
Tobias Gruetzmacher wrote: Am Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:28:28 +0100 schrieb Sven Neuhaus: With regards to encryption - it'd be great if microSD cards can contain dm-crypt'ed partitions. It's probably rather trivial to add this. Partitions are a major usability nightmare IMHO. That is the reason my proposal focused on encfs/ecryptfs, which both are layered encryption file systems. This removes the requirement to set a fixed size for the encrypted space and makes it easy to use standard tools to backup the encrypted data. It doesn't have to be complicated, check out this screencast http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/crypto/ showing LUKS integration into Gnome. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)
Joel Newkirk wrote: Tobias Gruetzmacher wrote: What I'm proposing is a user-friendly encryption scheme of the data the user stores in his phone, so any illegitimate user will not be able to get personal data about the owner of the phone. I'd like a good gestural interface for authentication - a passphrase or password would be a pain with a mini virtual keyboard, a pincode would remain a pain in many situations, a personalized fingertip doodle would be great. Present a virtual keypad but allow a finger-drawn character or shape to authenticate. If an abstract module like PAM is used for this, the user can customize the authentication method she wants to use. With regards to encryption - it'd be great if microSD cards can contain dm-crypt'ed partitions. It's probably rather trivial to add this. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Real world bluetooth range?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be happy to do so. Unfortunately I am slammed at work this week but will do this next week. Great. The device as shipped doesn't have many apps ready to use, but I'm sure there are command line utilities to poke and prod the bluetooth hardware. I really haven't yet had time to read the online documentation nor to explore my device. I would expect this range to vary with the strength and quality of the radio in the device I'm communicating with. I don't suppose there is a standard, e.g. a particular headset (make and model) such that comparisons are valid? There's a test of EDR bluetooth USB sticks in c't magazine 21/2005 on page 190ff. Accordingly, the sticks with the best reception and range were Cellink BTA-6030 and Planex BT-01UDE. They both feature -90dBm sensitivity. You can't measure the range with a bluetooth headset because they're class 3 devices with less range than the Neo1973, which is class 2. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Real world bluetooth range?
Hi, now that some phase 0 units have arrived, could someone please check the real-world bluetooth range that can be achieved? I wonder if one bluetooth AP can cover an entire flat (for VoIP etc). According to the wiki, the bluetooth in the Neo is of class 2, so the range should be around 10 meters. It'd be best if you have a class 1 bluetooth dongle (100 meter range) to test the range of course, so the Neo is the limiting factor and not the PC bluetooth dongle. Thanks, -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipment of phones
Marcel de Jong schrieb: On 2/26/07, Marc Verwerft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip There is an entry in the Wiki about shipping notes, but before I posted anything there I wanted to check/compare/confirm the above. Any comments or similar experiences with buying goods from outside EU anyone? I thought that FIC had a European distributor? I hope I'm not mistaken... Yes, european distribution was confirmed on this list by Sean on January 15th. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Topic: Community List Privacy Concerns
Ryan Kline wrote: I may be being a bit paranoid, but with all this online predator stuff going on, I am a bit concerned about my privacy within the list. For example, although you must be a member of the list to view a list of all list subscribers, You can set an option in your mailing list preferences to not appear in the list of subscribers. anyone can view the list archives which include our emails with each post. Is there a way that the archives could be Subscriber-Only? I would feel a bit more secure that only 845 people can access my name and email. There is more than one public archive for this list. Hiding your e-mail-address is not an option in this scenario. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free maps after all?
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: http://go.theregister.com/feed/http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/08/nokia_frees_smart2go/ Let's hope they adapt their Linux client to the OpenMoko environment. I kind of like the business model they are proposing. For people who need satellite navigation services only on rare occasions it's a lot cheaper to pay per use, even if it feels awkward. Another benefit is that you can download current maps at no extra cost. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/12/07 4:53 PM, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, I'm also interested in the official word, if any, on the new 4G micro-SDs. I _was_ glad to see Sean's micro-SD can go to 2GB now. (Or that's what my vendors tell me) comment, though I would be more comfortable if FIC themselves verify that 2GB micro-SDs do, in fact, work, what with all the scary rumours about the SOC 1G limitation applying to SDs too. (Vendors... ;] ) I'm out of the country now, but I will ask our developers to track one down for testing. We'll let you know our results. Any news on this? I'm not holding by breath for 4GB, but has 2GB been confirmed? Thanks, -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LiarLiar, software access to voice data
Crane, Matthew wrote: That's definitely a cool idea. But will the kernel and/or user-space software be able to access and modify the transmitted/recived sound channel? Yes, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-December/000733.html confirms access to the microphone, I'm sure there's also access to the incoming audio stream. I think it would also be pretty neat if it was possible to lightly encrypt the voice, making the phone the open equivalent of some much more expensive devices. Why stop at light encryption? -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: built-in scripting languages
Richard Franks wrote: On 1/22/07, Derek Pressnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a different (but related) track, I've always wanted to have a web browser that was capable of executing local cgi scripts without the need for client-side http server. Pah! Internet Explorer has had that for *ages*. Lynx also supports this (probably longer than IE ;)) --enable-cgi-links(define LYNXCGI_LINKS) Allows lynx to access a cgi script directly without the need for a http daemon. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: security for wiki
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Ummm... I just updated the OpenMoko/QuestionsAndAnswers to give a brief introduction to the problems with trying to port PalmOS apps to Linux. I was able to do this completely anonymously. That's one of the strong features of a wiki. If registration and logins are required on that site -- and quickly -- we're going to take a look at it one day soon (very soon) and find all the content replaced by ads for Viagra, nude young teens, and can't-miss stock tips. Please, whoever is administrating the wiki, do something about this... AFAIK the wiki is only temporary until we switch over to the official one set up by OpenMoko. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wish for 2nd generation Neo: USB 2.0
Harald Welte wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 10:23:24AM +0100, Sven Neuhaus wrote: Since everyone is drooling about the next iteration of the Neo which is exptected to include WiFi, I figured I'd add a request for USB 2.0. This allows us to use a USB VGA adapter (http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/06/08/add_a_monitor_using_usb/ - Linux driver available!). A VGA port enables the Neo2 to replace a laptop for doing presentations (in some cases) and you could even watch movies stored on its microSD card (or streamed by a BluOnyx) on a battery powered HMD! :-) Thanks, this has actually already been on our wishlist for a future generation of our phones. The main problem (with more powerful SoC) is not to provide a USB2.0 host port in the device. Can't you leave it unpowered as it is now? Or is that forbidden by the USB 2.0 spec? A UWB (ultra-wide-band: Wireless USB or IEEE 802.15.4a) would also be a *very* nice alternative. I'm not sure if the technology will be ready for primetime in late summer... -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sync from Kalendar/Address to KDEPIM
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: We're working with Funambol on SyncML and (soon) push email. A decent IMAP mail client with IMAP IDLE support would be sweet. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free Your Phone
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/22/07 4:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason I ask is I'd like to propose an OpenMoko T-shirt, with the now-official tag-line. I'd buy and where that right away. If we don't have a logo yet, perhaps that artist who joined recently could help? Michael, wishing for Free Your Phone T-shirts and stickers Coming soon... ;-) I hope I can order one together with the phone, lowers cost of shipping :) -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visual Voicemail
Austin Taylor schrieb: Visual voicemail requires back-end support from the carrier. Think like a hacker. Why couldn't we scrape it? Right. If there is some distinct signal (beep) between messages on your voicemail, the phone could probably recognize it. Otherwise it gets a lot more difficult. We'd need a profile for every carrier (the users could help create the profiles). -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming oportunities
Engin Erenturk wrote: I'm a game developer from Istanbul/Turkey. the thing i wonder most about open openmoko is the gaming oportunities. as i read from mails today, it will have a 640x480 vga screen. Is there any predictions about the gamşing oportunities of this device? It is lacking 3D acceleration so it's not really a hot gaming machine. Bluetooth, however, enables us to use an extern joystick like this one http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/bt-gamepad-en.shtml There are a few games that work well with touchscreen like Lemmings or Tower Defense ( http://novelconcepts.co.uk/FlashElementTD/ ). Adaptions of board games would probably also be worthwile. Some graphical adventure games will work just fine (I'm expecting a ScummVM port). And I'm sure someone is just itching to get Freeciv running... -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wish for 2nd generation Neo: USB 2.0
Since everyone is drooling about the next iteration of the Neo which is exptected to include WiFi, I figured I'd add a request for USB 2.0. This allows us to use a USB VGA adapter (http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/06/08/add_a_monitor_using_usb/ - Linux driver available!). A VGA port enables the Neo2 to replace a laptop for doing presentations (in some cases) and you could even watch movies stored on its microSD card (or streamed by a BluOnyx) on a battery powered HMD! :-) While you're at it, please include some kind of hardware graphics acceleration to speed up video playback and maybe allow cooler games... -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Stylus
Hello, some questions about using a stylus with the Neo1973: Is the Neo1973 designed to be used with a stylus? Is there a place inside the phone to store a stylus? Will there be handwriting recognition software available at launch or shortly thereafter? -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb: On 1/13/07 2:04 PM, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If FIC are smart they will sell to the EU citizens from an EU address. This will make the customs clearance and warranty problems disappear, as EU has the same minimum standards for warranty (see http://www.euroconsumer.org.uk/index/consumer_centres.htm) and no customs for goods internally in EU. I also would expect FIC already has at least one distributer in EU that can cover all of EU. From a shipping cost perspective it will probably make sense, too. We are doing this. Great! -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wish: easy connecting with linux
Marcel de Jong schrieb: I'd like it if I could connect the phone to my Linux box and share my internet connection with the phone. Previous attempts with different devices failed for me. If this process could be simplified with the Openmoko, that would be great. Get bluetooth for your PC, establish a PPP link via the serial port profile and you're set. No additional software required (if you run linux on your PC). -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: keyboard / keypad idea
Derek Pressnall schrieb: Then you would still be using the touch screen for input (pressure applied to the bumps would transfer through the overlay to the touch screen), but the keypad pattern would show up through the bottom part of the overlay (with the bumps) where you could still blind dial. Add in a hinged connection at the top of the overlay, and possibly a sensor that could switch the phone's screen between normal mode and phone only mode when the overlay is in use, and you could have a very cheap method of obtainin a keypad similar to a Motorola A780. So what does everyone think? The Sony Ericsson P800 phone uses a keyboard like that. It's usable, but not really great. I found a picture at http://gsmservice.ru/system/common/images/system.ImageGallery/7359/90/_102674_web.jpg -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/11/07 1:06 PM, Sven Neuhaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the standard kit): A Car Kit and a Hacker's Lunchbox. Car kit? Please tell me it includes car navigation software... :) This screen (not to mention the GPS) is just screaming for maps to display. We have this stuff, but I didn't think to use it for the first release of OpenMoko. The rendering engine is totally closed source, expensive, and the maps are even more expensive. If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell the mapping data and see if we can support an open source mapping engineer. Is this something people would pay for? Yes, I would be interested in paying for car navigation software to run on the OpenMoko. For reference, TomTom Navigator 6 for PDAs with maps for western europe on DVD is around EUR 110 (US $150) TomTom Go is Linux based, perhaps you can get them to offer their product for the OpenMoko? I would be very interested in a solution for the OpenMoko at that price range. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: iPhone vs. Neo1973 comparison
Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb: On 1/10/07 5:30 AM, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have created a comparison between iPhone and Neo1973: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/iPhone Very cool! Thanks for taking the time to do this. The only thing I found is that micro-SD can go to 2GB now. (Or that's what my vendors tell me.) 2GB is great news. I thought this was a limitation of the Samsung s3c2410 SoC? Anyway, so are you confirming that Bluetooth is of the 2.0 variety as stated on the Wiki? Does this mean 2.1 Mbit/s? Can the Neo1973 establish more than one bluetooth connection at a time (e.g. keyboard + headset)? Thanks, -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?
Tomasz Zielinski wrote: Looks like a Neo1973 real photo (device is a bit dust covered ;-) http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2007Jan/ces20070109001296.htm Something is seriously wrong if they can't present a working unit the same month they were originally going to ship them. Didn't they talk about shipping units to a few devs in December? Sean, please give us a new (realistic) release date - or at least confirm it won't be out in January! Silence is deadly. -Sven PS: The final specs would also be highly appreciated ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: suggested development toolkit for games?
Richard Franks wrote: In terms of retro gaming though, it's the perfect platform for 2d games: Unfortunately, in the last 4 years of using a Sony Ericsson P800 phone I've learned that there're only a handful of decent games (genres) that can be played well without 5+ hardware buttons (two aren't enough). -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
