Re: USB host

[Sven Neuhaus]

Ian Stirling schrieb:
> assistivetechnology wrote:
>> Did anyone ever try to use the USB host with power supply, or build a
>> HW workaround to supply USB devices with power?
> 
> I'm contemplating the latter.
> The kernel does not currently support USB host - it needs a patch.

FWIW, I brought a battery powered USB hub (Cyberpower) to CCCamp 2007 for
testing it with the Neo1973, but this bit was missing, so we didn't even try it.

-Sven

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Re: another GPS idea - speed-sensitive voicemail

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David S Gathright schrieb:
> For example, when you're at a speed greater than, say, 20 mph, more than
> likely you're in a noisy environment and you'd want your phone to ring
> slightly louder.  When speeds reach 150 mph, it's a good bet you're in a
> plane (or Mario Andretti) and it's time to go to Flight mode (of course,
> this is quite a bit later than when they ask for phones to be turned off).

Good idea, another way to determine you're onboard a plane is looking at the
altitude instead of the speed (if you have a 3D GPS fix).

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GTA02 status updates please

[Sven Neuhaus]

Hello Openmoko folks,

please keep us in the loop regarding the GTA02 development. How is it
progressing? Do you have pictures of the inside of the prototypes already?
Is it still on track for the October release date?
The last update on GTA02 was more than a month ago.

Thanks,
-Sven Neuhaus

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Re: This list is *broken*

[Sven Neuhaus]

Jay Vaughan schrieb:
> Can the listadmin please pay attention and fix the broken list?  We
> don't need all these repeats and it seems like mailman is borked,
> re-sending messages to the list over and again ..

Sending these pleas to the list won't help, you want to contact the list
owner (CC)...

-Sven

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HTC P4550 smartphone (p)review

[Sven Neuhaus]

This smartphone has what a future OpenMoko device should aim for, hardware
wise (keeping the hires screen of course):

http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=256569

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Re: Cannot reply to the email with YES_I_DO so I have ordered again

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Justyn Butler wrote:
> Mail sent to @gmail.com <http://gmail.com> rather than @ googlemail.com
> <http://googlemail.com> still reaches me, but it will not allow me to
> send from @gmail.com <http://gmail.com>.

You seem to be unaware of the fact that unsigned emails can be trivially
spoofed? From what I've read, the openmoko servers do not seem to look at
SPF records so there shouldn't be a problem.

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Remember: No shipping of Neo 1973 before July 16th

[Sven Neuhaus]

Guys,

does noone remember this posting
  http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/006633.html
by William Lai of OpenMoko's community development department?

The phone won't be shipping before Monday Julty 16th which is probably the
reason why you haven't been billed yet.

Relax.

-Sven Neuhaus

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Re: Pictures

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Mario Wewer wrote:
> Are there any pictures of the phone from the back side and from the top?!
> I can only find pictures from the front and the down-side...

Look here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lorphos/512691305/
The bottom looks identical. There is no space for a stylus.

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Re: Store info - shipping costs to Germany

[Sven Neuhaus]

FYI, shipping to Germany:

 Neo BaseNeo Advance
 1x  2x  3x 4x1x   2x
WORLDWIDE_EXPEDITED $71.85  $83.14  $94.15 $114.52  $104.99  $134.16
SAVER   $75.19  $88.25 $100.73 $118.89  $112.08  $139.04
WORLDWIDE_EXPRESS   $77.46  $90.23 $103.00 $121.73  $114.35  $142.16
WORLDWIDE_EXPRESS_PLUS $122.86 $135.63 $148.40 $167.13  $159.75  $187.56

Looks like shipping from within the EU (as promised) didn't happen yet. Will
it be in place by October?

Seems like "worldwide_express" is the best option for most since it's not
much more expensive than the cheaper options but probably up to 2 days faster.

Regards,
-Sven Neuhaus

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Re: Brainstorm: less functionality per device, more devices

[Sven Neuhaus]

Jonas Meyer wrote:
> Instead of monolithic do-everything
> devices, create many single purpose devices that do their jobs very
> well, and can be chained together.

I've been thinking about the same thing. With the recent arrival of
USB-connected monitors (powered by DisplayLink chips) and wireless USB, it's
only a matter of time until the touchscreen display (perhaps w/ speaker +
microphone) is separated from the rest of the phone/pda or, perhaps as a
first step, additional (large) displays can be connected via wireless USB.
It would be great if OpenMoko hardware is among the first to get on this
bandwagon.

Btw, if you go to http://www.displaylink.com/products/applications.htm and
click on "Ethernet-based thin clients" they do claim "Linux compatability"...

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OpenMoko at GSM Village at Chaos Communication Camp 2007

[Sven Neuhaus]

There will be a GSM Village [1] with OpenMoko participation at the 
upcoming Chaos Communication Camp 2007 [2] August 8-12th near Berlin, 
Germany. Hope to see you there. I also hope to see some Neo1973s 
purchased and brought to the camp by "regular people" ;-)


Ticket presale started today, however the program with more than 100 
lectures and workshops has not yet been released.


-Sven

[1] http://events.ccc.de/camp/2007/GSM_Village
[2] http://events.ccc.de/camp/2007/

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Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day?

[Sven Neuhaus]

Jonathon Suggs wrote:
> [...]

I agree with most of what you wrote - FIC is likely to skip GTA01.

> So yeah, you can call me on a GTA-01 (does that even work yet)

Yes. I've used one myself and took a picture of someone else calling with
it: http://flickr.com/photos/lorphos/512691193/

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@Sean: please check off

[Sven Neuhaus]

It all boils down to

==8<==8>

[ ] Hello

Did i mention
[ ] you may *now* preorder GTA01 units :-)
[ ] we expect you'll be able to preorder GTA01 units in
[ ] June
[ ] July
[ ] August
[ ] some time later
[ ] we are only making a few GTA01 units and selling/giving them to
developers, not to everyone who is interested.
[ ] Basically, GTA01 is dead. Wait for GTA02.

Regarding GTA02,
[ ] we expect GTA02 units to be ready
[ ] Q3/2007
[ ] Q4/2007
[ ] Q1/2008
[ ] later
[ ] GTA02 will be more expensive than GTA01. Our current guess: US$___

[ ] sorry to keep you waiting

[ ] kthxbye
==8<==8>

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Asus Eee - interesting companion for the Neo1973

[Sven Neuhaus]

Interesting device:

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9292516116.html
http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=7317

It's dirt cheap and it looks like a nice companion to the Neo1973 to have a
keyboard for text input and a larger screen. You need a GTA02 unit so they
can communicate via WLAN, looks like the Eee-PC won't have Bluetooth.

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Re: [SVHMPC] concept phone with only a touchscreen for UI

[Sven Neuhaus]

adrian cockcroft wrote:
> Or invert the problem, instead of buttons, make holes. The touch
> sensitive surface is exposed through the holes, and you can feel which
> hole you are poking at. A relatively stiff transparent cover with holes
> in is easy to make ( techshop.ws  laser cutter :-)
> and clip onto the face of the phone.

You could just whip one up in a CAD program and make it available at a
3D-printer store like http://www.rapidobject.com/ for everyone to order.

-Sven

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Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!

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Steven ** wrote:
> As far as mainstream press, check out June 2007 issue of Popular Science
> magazine.  The Neo is one of "29 Hot Products".

FYI,

the phase 1 Neo1973 will also be featured briefly in upcoming german c't
magazine 13/2007, page 28.

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Re: First impressions of Neo1973

[Sven Neuhaus]

Hello,

last night at the Braunschweig LUG I had the opportunity to play with a
Neo1973 myself and I'd like to share some impressions.

The hardware is very nice. The black material of the black/silver model has
a rubbery feel to it. The phone is large, but it's not as bad as I had
feared. It's thinner than a Sony Ericsson P800. The screen is excellent.

The software seems a lot worse than the hardware at the moment. Every
reaction to user input is slow. The GUI is quite pretty but the speed is
worrysome. What CPU is going to be in the upcoming faster version?

I published some pictures of the phase0/1 phones at
http://flickr.com/photos/lorphos/sets/72157600262308147/

-Sven

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Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

[Sven Neuhaus]

Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
> Sven Neuhaus wrote:
>> here's the size and weight of a few touchscreen mobile phones:
> 
>>   Neo1973  iPhone   M600i   LG Prada
>> length (mm)   120.7115  107 98.8
>> width 62   61   57  54
>> height18.5 11.6 15  12
>> weight (g)184  135  112 85
>> screen (inch) 2.8  3.5  2.6 3.0
> 
> It's a smartphone, so let's compare it to smartphones:
> Nokia 9500:   56.9mm x 148.1mm x 23.9mm 229.9g
> T-mobile Vario II:58.0mm x 113.0mm x 22.0mm 160.0g
> Nokia E61 69.7mm x 117.0mm x 14.0mm 144.0g

I wouldn't compare the Neo1973 to these three phones because they have large
keyboards which is why they are so heavy. But isn't the Vario II 176g?

> T-mobile MDA compact III: 58.0mm x 108.0mm x 17.0mm 127.0g

That one is a case in point: It's a lot lighter and somewhat smaller.

> Sorry, that doesn't look that bad to me. Actually, these are all devices
> without GPS, OTOH, they do have a better GSM/UMTS module.

> Btw, no matter how it's discussed, the iPhone is not a smartphone, it
> misses the category defining extensibility.

AFAIK you can install new applications on it as long as they are approved by
Apple. Sounds like a smartphone to me, albeit with limitations. I don't see
how this has anything to do with its size and weight though. Apple could
theoretically change a few bits in the software and this limitation would be
gone without increasing the size or weight of the phone.

> And when we are at the topic
> of the iPhone. It's technically even more vaporware then Neo => it's
> just announced, ...

Journalists already played with prototype units. Sounds like its in the same
stage as the Neo1973.

Marcin Juszkiewicz brought up the HTC Artemis which is also a lot lighter
and got flamed because it runs Windows Mobile. I don't see how this is
relevant to this discussion. The OS doesn't make a phone thicker or heavier
- remember, originally the Neo1973 was also capable of running Windows.

All I'm saying is that the Neo1973 is awfully thick and heavy and I'm asking
FIC to please consider making a thinner and lighter phone soon. We all want
OpenMoko to succeed - I am sure there is a significant amount of people who
will not buy this phone because it's just too bulky for them.

Regards,
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Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

[Sven Neuhaus]

Hello,

here's the size and weight of a few touchscreen mobile phones:

  Neo1973  iPhone   M600i   LG Prada
length (mm)   120.7115  107 98.8
width 62   61   57  54
height18.5 11.6 15  12
weight (g)184  135  112 85
screen (inch) 2.8  3.5  2.6 3.0

As you can see, the Neo1973 is by far the heaviest of the phones with
touchscreen. It's also the biggest. It weighs almost *twice* as much as the
LG Prada, despite having a smaller screen! It's also 50% thicker than the
Prada (which, unfortunately, isn't a smartphone).
The iPhone has a *much bigger* screen than the Neo1973 and it's still
smaller and a lot lighter.

When designing future models, I'd really like to see something light and
small (but still with a touchscreen). I've been carrying around a rather fat
and heavy (160g) P800 phone for the last years and it's annoying. I was
going to buy a Sony Ericsson M600i phone but then the Neo1973 was announced...

I know the Neo1973 has an awesome hires-screen and I look forward to it, but
sooner rather than later I want to have a lighter, thinner phone once again..

-Sven

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Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

[Sven Neuhaus]

Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
> There is many good solutions out here.
> 
> From my point of view, I would like something like this:
> - launch apps->security
> - check the check boxes you like:
>   x encrypt phonebook
> [...]
> 
> I think this would be possible since each of these groups is stored in
> separate places.
> 
> Usually the user should not need to encrypt more than 100MB.

640k are enough for everyone, right? ;)

> With a 512MB SD card,
> we have enough space to make an encrypted partition (maybe inside a
> file) if we want but
> I don't know if this is a good solution or not.

What I'd like to see is an easy way of storing *all* important data
(phonebook, SMS, addresses, pictures, music, you name it) on the microSD
card instead of the internal flash.
Then I can just make one large encrypted 2GB LUKS partition on the microSD
card and everything is encrypted. When the phone is rebooted or the microSD
card is removed, the data is safe until the passphrase is provided.

One remaining question is if the user manually wants to lock the phone
during use (usually with a PIN). We can't really unmount the microSD card
because then the phonebook is unavailable and incoming calls can't tell who
is calling (and how to treat the call). So I guess it remains mounted all
the time.

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Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

[Sven Neuhaus]

Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
> > There is many good solutions out here.
> >
> > From my point of view, I would like something like this:
> > - launch apps->security
> > - check the check boxes you like:
> >   x encrypt phonebook
> > [...]
> >
> > I think this would be possible since each of these groups is stored in
> > separate places.
> >
> > Usually the user should not need to encrypt more than 100MB.

Oops.. "640k is enough for everyone", right? ;)

> > With a 512MB SD card,
> > we have enough space to make an encrypted partition (maybe inside a
> > file) if we want but
> > I don't know if this is a good solution or not.

What I'd like to see is an easy way of storing *all* important data
(phonebook, SMS, addresses, pictures, music, you name it) on the microSD
card instead of the internal flash.
Then I can just make one large encrypted 2GB LUKS partition on the microSD
card and everything is encrypted. When the phone is rebooted or the microSD
card is removed, the data is safe until the passphrase is provided.

One remaining question is if the user manually wants to lock the phone
during use (usually with a PIN). We can't really unmount the microSD card
because then the phonebook is unavailable and incoming calls can't tell who
is calling (and thus how to treat the call). So I guess it remains mounted
all the time, which considerably lowers security of course. Perhaps the
phone should unmount the card after you enter the wrong PIN a few times, or
enter a special PANIC-PIN.

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Re: Regarding encryption on openmoko...

[Sven Neuhaus]

Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
> I don't really see why one would want to use Truecrypt when there's been LUKS 
> in the Linux kernel for years now...

Right. And with FreeOTFE you can even access your encrypted LUKS partitions
on a Windows-PC or on a Windows-Mobile PDA.
Ext2IFS for windows (www.fs-driver.org) adds ext2/ext3 support.

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Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

[Sven Neuhaus]

Tobias Gruetzmacher wrote:
> Am Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:28:28 +0100 schrieb Sven Neuhaus:
>> With regards to encryption - it'd be great if microSD cards can contain
>> dm-crypt'ed partitions. It's probably rather trivial to add this.
> 
> Partitions are a major usability nightmare IMHO. That is the reason my 
> proposal focused on encfs/ecryptfs, which both are "layered" encryption 
> "file systems". This removes the requirement to set a fixed size for the 
> encrypted space and makes it easy to use standard tools to backup the 
> encrypted data.

It doesn't have to be complicated, check out this screencast
http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/crypto/
showing LUKS integration into Gnome.

-Sven

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Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

[Sven Neuhaus]

Joel Newkirk wrote:
> Tobias Gruetzmacher wrote:
> 
>> What I'm proposing is a user-friendly encryption scheme of the data the 
>> user stores in his phone, so any illegitimate user will not be able to 
>> get personal data about the owner of the phone.

> I'd like a good gestural interface for authentication - a passphrase or
> password would be a pain with a mini virtual keyboard, a pincode would
> remain a pain in many situations, a personalized fingertip doodle would
> be great.  Present a virtual keypad but allow a finger-drawn character
> or shape to authenticate.

If an abstract module like PAM is used for this, the user can customize the
authentication method she wants to use.

With regards to encryption - it'd be great if microSD cards can contain
dm-crypt'ed partitions. It's probably rather trivial to add this.

-Sven

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Re: Real world bluetooth range?

[Sven Neuhaus]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I will be happy to do so. Unfortunately I am slammed at work this week but
> will do this next week.

Great.

> The device as shipped doesn't have many apps ready to use, but I'm sure
> there
> are command line utilities to poke and prod the bluetooth hardware. I
> really
> haven't yet had time to read the online documentation nor to explore my
> device.
> 
> I would expect this range to vary with the strength and quality of the
> radio
> in the device I'm communicating with. I don't suppose there is a standard,
> e.g. a particular headset (make and model) such that comparisons are valid?

There's a test of EDR bluetooth USB sticks in c't magazine 21/2005 on page
190ff. Accordingly, the sticks with the best reception and range were
Cellink BTA-6030 and Planex BT-01UDE. They both feature -90dBm sensitivity.

You can't measure the range with a bluetooth headset because they're class 3
devices with less range than the Neo1973, which is class 2.

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Real world bluetooth range?

[Sven Neuhaus]

Hi,

now that some phase 0 units have arrived, could someone please check the
real-world bluetooth range that can be achieved? I wonder if one bluetooth
AP can cover an entire flat (for VoIP etc). According to the wiki, the
bluetooth in the Neo is of class 2, so the range should be around 10 meters.
It'd be best if you have a class 1 bluetooth dongle (100 meter range) to
test the range of course, so the Neo is the limiting factor and not the PC
bluetooth dongle.

Thanks,
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Re: given the OpenMoko Challenges...

[Sven Neuhaus]

Ming J. Chien wrote:
>  *** OpenMoko and FIC's Neo1973 are the seeds that will democratize and
> dramatically accelerate the evolution of mobile computing on this
> planet.
> 
> Dear   Alan :
> I  totally  agree  with  you .   FIC  is  also  an  operator   in
> Taiwan .   I  certainlyunderstand  the  thinking / restriction   of
> Telecom   operators.
> Regards  
> Ming  J.  Chien /  FIC

Wow; I didn't know FIC was also an operator. This makes the OpenMoko
initiative even more laudable and bold. It's also great to see the
chairman on FIC on this list - it documents the importance of the
Neo1973 inside FIC.

Regards,
-Sven Neuhaus

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Re: Shipment of phones

[Sven Neuhaus]

Marcel de Jong schrieb:

On 2/26/07, Marc Verwerft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


There is an entry in the Wiki about shipping notes, but before I
posted anything there I wanted to check/compare/confirm the above.

Any comments or similar experiences with buying goods from outside EU 
anyone?


I thought that FIC had a European distributor?
I hope I'm not mistaken...


Yes, european distribution was confirmed on this list by Sean on January 
15th.


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Re: New Topic: Community List Privacy Concerns

[Sven Neuhaus]

Ryan Kline wrote:
> I may be being a bit paranoid, but with all this "online predator" stuff
> going on, I am a bit concerned about my privacy within the list. For
> example, although you must be a member of the list to view a list of all
> list subscribers, 

You can set an option in your mailing list preferences to not appear in the
list of subscribers.

> anyone can view the "list archives" which include our
> emails with each post. Is there a way that the archives could be
> Subscriber-Only? I would feel a bit more secure that only 845 people can
> access my name and email.

There is more than one public archive for this list. Hiding your
e-mail-address is not an option in this scenario.

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Re: Free maps after all?

[Sven Neuhaus]

Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
> http://go.theregister.com/feed/http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/08/nokia_frees_smart2go/

Let's hope they adapt their Linux client to the OpenMoko environment.
I kind of like the business model they are proposing. For people who need
satellite navigation services only on rare occasions it's a lot cheaper to
pay per use, even if it feels awkward. Another benefit is that you can
download current maps at no extra cost.

-Sven

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Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

[Sven Neuhaus]

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> On 1/12/07 4:53 PM, "Mikko Rauhala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Incidentally, I'm also interested in the official word, if any, on the
>> new 4G micro-SDs. I _was_ glad to see Sean's "micro-SD can go to 2GB
>> now. (Or that's what my vendors tell me)" comment, though I would be
>> more comfortable if FIC themselves verify that 2GB micro-SDs do, in
>> fact, work, what with all the scary rumours about the SOC 1G limitation
>> applying to SDs too. (Vendors... ;] )
> 
> I'm out of the country now, but I will ask our developers to track one down
> for testing. We'll let you know our results.

Any news on this? I'm not holding by breath for 4GB, but has 2GB been confirmed?

Thanks,
-Sven

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Re: LiarLiar, software access to voice data

[Sven Neuhaus]

Crane, Matthew wrote:
> That's definitely a cool idea. But will the kernel and/or user-space
> software be able to access and modify the transmitted/recived sound
> channel?

Yes, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-December/000733.html
confirms access to the microphone, I'm sure there's also access to the
incoming audio stream.

> I think it would also be pretty neat if it was possible to
> lightly encrypt the voice, making the phone the open equivalent of some
> much more expensive devices.

Why stop at "light encryption"?

-Sven


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LiarLiar

[Sven Neuhaus]

Running LiarLiar (a voice stress analysis tool,
http://liarliar.sourceforge.net/ ) on the Neo1973 would be a nice hack,
analysing your counterpart on the other end of the line. I'm not sure the
phone is fast enough to do the fast fourier transform in realtime, though...

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Re: The man behind it all

[Sven Neuhaus]

Jonathon Suggs wrote:
> Sometimes it helps to put a face with a name.  Anyway, found this link
> and thought the community might want to see who is leading the charge.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRvtAAXTIlg

That link has been posted here already on January 22nd.

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Re: Neo1973: Mobile Phone or Mobile Computer?

[Sven Neuhaus]

Shu Hung (Koala) wrote:
> Why don't we just use the Flash for Linux 9 on OpenMoko?

It's hard to compile it for another platform (non x86) without source..

-Sven

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Re: security for wiki

[Sven Neuhaus]

Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Ummm...  I just updated the OpenMoko/QuestionsAndAnswers to give a
> brief introduction to the problems with trying to port PalmOS apps to
> Linux.  I was able to do this completely anonymously.

That's one of the strong features of a wiki.

> If registration and logins are required on that site -- and quickly --
> we're going to take a look at it one day soon (very soon) and find all
> the content replaced by ads for Viagra, nude young teens, and
> can't-miss stock tips.  Please, whoever is administrating the wiki, do
> something about this...

AFAIK the wiki is only temporary until we switch over to the official one
set up by OpenMoko.

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Re: built-in scripting languages

[Sven Neuhaus]

Richard Franks wrote:
> On 1/22/07, Derek Pressnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On a different (but related) track, I've always wanted to have a web
>> browser that was capable of executing local cgi scripts without the
>> need for client-side http server.
> 
> Pah! Internet Explorer has had that for *ages*.

Lynx also supports this (probably longer than IE ;))

  --enable-cgi-links(define LYNXCGI_LINKS)
Allows lynx to access a cgi script directly without the need for
a http daemon.

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Re: Free Your Phone

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Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> On 1/22/07 4:46 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:

>> Reason I ask is I'd like to propose an OpenMoko T-shirt, with the 
>> now-official
>> tag-line. I'd buy and where that right away.
>>
>> If we don't have a logo yet, perhaps that artist who joined recently could
>> help?
>>
>> Michael, wishing for "Free Your Phone" T-shirts and stickers
> 
> Coming soon... ;-)

I hope I can order one together with the phone, lowers cost of shipping :)

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Re: Sync from Kalendar/Address to KDEPIM

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Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> We're working with Funambol on SyncML and (soon) push email.

A decent IMAP mail client with IMAP IDLE support would be sweet.

-Sven

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Re: Wish for 2nd generation Neo: USB 2.0

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Harald Welte wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 10:23:24AM +0100, Sven Neuhaus wrote:
>> Since everyone is drooling about the next iteration of the Neo which is
>> exptected to include WiFi, I figured I'd add a request for USB 2.0. This
>> allows us to use a USB VGA adapter
>> (http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/06/08/add_a_monitor_using_usb/ - Linux
>> driver available!). A VGA port enables the Neo2 to replace a laptop for
>> doing presentations (in some cases) and you could even watch movies stored
>> on its microSD card (or streamed by a BluOnyx) on a battery powered HMD! :-)
> 
> Thanks, this has actually already been on our wishlist for a future
> generation of our phones.
> 
> The main problem (with more powerful SoC) is not to provide a USB2.0
> host port in the device. 

Can't you leave it unpowered as it is now? Or is that forbidden by the USB
2.0 spec?

A UWB (ultra-wide-band: Wireless USB or IEEE 802.15.4a) would also be a
*very* nice alternative. I'm not sure if the technology will be ready for
primetime in late summer...

-Sven

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Re: Visual Voicemail

[Sven Neuhaus]

Austin Taylor schrieb:

 Visual voicemail requires back-end support from the carrier.


Think like a hacker. Why couldn't we scrape it?


Right. If there is some distinct signal (beep) between messages on your 
voicemail, the phone could probably recognize it. Otherwise it gets a 
lot more difficult.
We'd need a profile for every carrier (the users could help create the 
profiles).


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Re: power plug

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Renaissance Man schrieb:

On 20 Jan 2007, at 6:06 am, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:

We will sell the Neo1973 direct from openmoko.com for US$350 plus 
shipping. Sales and orders will be worldwide.


Does this mean it'll be shipping direct from openmoko.com with the 
correct power plug for each country?


The phone is charged via USB. I am assuming it comes without a power supply.
You can get a USB charger for a power outlet on ebay for a few bucks if 
you want to charge it without a PC.


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Wish for 2nd generation Neo: USB 2.0

[Sven Neuhaus]

Since everyone is drooling about the next iteration of the Neo which is
exptected to include WiFi, I figured I'd add a request for USB 2.0. This
allows us to use a USB VGA adapter
(http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/06/08/add_a_monitor_using_usb/ - Linux
driver available!). A VGA port enables the Neo2 to replace a laptop for
doing presentations (in some cases) and you could even watch movies stored
on its microSD card (or streamed by a BluOnyx) on a battery powered HMD! :-)

While you're at it, please include some kind of hardware graphics
acceleration to speed up video playback and maybe allow cooler games...

-Sven

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Re: Gaming oportunities

[Sven Neuhaus]

Engin Erenturk wrote:
> I'm a game developer from Istanbul/Turkey. the thing i wonder most about
> open  openmoko is the gaming oportunities. as i read from mails today,
> it will have a 640x480 vga screen. Is there any predictions about the
> gamşing oportunities of this device?

It is lacking 3D acceleration so it's not really a "hot gaming machine".
Bluetooth, however, enables us to use an extern joystick like this one
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/bt-gamepad-en.shtml

There are a few games that work well with touchscreen like Lemmings or
Tower Defense ( http://novelconcepts.co.uk/FlashElementTD/ ).

Adaptions of board games would probably also be worthwile. Some graphical
adventure games will work just fine (I'm expecting a ScummVM port).
And I'm sure someone is just itching to get Freeciv running...

-Sven

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Stylus

[Sven Neuhaus]

Hello,

some questions about using a stylus with the Neo1973:
Is the Neo1973 designed to be used with a stylus? Is there a place inside
the phone to store a stylus? Will there be handwriting recognition software
available at launch or shortly thereafter?

-Sven

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Re: keyboard / keypad idea

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Derek Pressnall schrieb:

Then you would still be using the touch screen
for input (pressure applied to the bumps would transfer through the
overlay to the touch screen), but the keypad pattern would show up
through the bottom part of the overlay (with the "bumps") where you
could still "blind dial".

Add in a hinged connection at the top of the overlay, and possibly a
sensor that could switch the phone's screen between normal mode and
"phone only" mode when the overlay is in use, and you could have a
very cheap method of obtainin a keypad similar to a Motorola A780.  So
what does everyone think?


The Sony Ericsson P800 phone uses a keyboard like that. It's usable, but 
not really great. I found a picture at

http://gsmservice.ru/system/common/images/system.ImageGallery/7359/90/_102674_web.jpg

-Sven

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Re: Bluetooth questions from a bluetooth guy

[Sven Neuhaus]

Fabien Chevalier wrote:

 * Which profiles to you intend to support in the initial release ?
Umm.. maybe I'm missing something here - but since the phone is runnig 
Linux with BlueZ, it will support all core Bluetooth protocols and layers.


-Sven

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Re: Wish: easy connecting with linux

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Marcel de Jong schrieb:

I'd like it if I could connect the phone to my Linux box and share my
internet connection with the phone. Previous attempts with different
devices failed for me. If this process could be simplified with the
Openmoko, that would be great.


Get bluetooth for your PC, establish a PPP link via the serial port 
profile and you're set. No additional software required (if you run 
linux on your PC).


-Sven

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Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

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Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb:

On 1/13/07 2:04 PM, "Ole Tange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If FIC are smart they will sell to the EU citizens from an EU address.
This will make the customs clearance and warranty problems disappear,
as EU has the same minimum standards for warranty (see
http://www.euroconsumer.org.uk/index/consumer_centres.htm) and no
customs for goods internally in EU.

I also would expect FIC already has at least one distributer in EU
that can cover all of EU. From a shipping cost perspective it will
probably make sense, too.


We are doing this.


Great!

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Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

[Sven Neuhaus]

Attila Csipa wrote:
> On Friday 12 January 2007 10:14, Sven Neuhaus wrote:
>> TomTom Go is Linux based, perhaps you can get them to offer their product
>> for the OpenMoko?
>> I would be very interested in a solution for the OpenMoko at that price
>> range.
[...]
> So sure, we could 
> have TomTom, and any other (if not in license then in spirit) proprietary 
> stuff in the Neo1973, but then I would feel the purpose of OpenMoko has been 
> defeated (it would become just another motorola EZX phone - an OSS base for 
> mass-adopted proprietary products).

I think the users should have the freedom of choice, including the freedom
to install commercial software, if desired. I'm not asking for this to be
preinstalled on the OpenMoko!
Noone complains about Oracle offering its database for Linux PCs (actually,
I'm sure there are people who do ;))

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Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

[Sven Neuhaus]

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> On 1/11/07 1:06 PM, "Sven Neuhaus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the standard
>>> kit): A "Car Kit" and a "Hacker's Lunchbox."
>> Car kit? Please tell me it includes car navigation software... :)
>> This screen (not to mention the GPS) is just screaming for maps to display.
> 
> We have this stuff, but I didn't think to use it for the first release of
> OpenMoko. The rendering engine is totally closed source, expensive, and the
> maps are even more expensive.
> 
> If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell the mapping data
> and see if we can support an open source mapping engineer. Is this something
> people would pay for?

Yes, I would be interested in paying for car navigation software to run on
the OpenMoko.
For reference, TomTom Navigator 6 for PDAs with maps for western europe on
DVD is around EUR 110 (US $150)

TomTom Go is Linux based, perhaps you can get them to offer their product
for the OpenMoko?
I would be very interested in a solution for the OpenMoko at that price range.

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Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

[Sven Neuhaus]

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:

We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the standard
kit): A "Car Kit" and a "Hacker's Lunchbox."


Car kit? Please tell me it includes car navigation software... :)
This screen (not to mention the GPS) is just screaming for maps to display.


The latter is quite cool. I'll tell you more about it soon.


Spoiler @ http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/010907-moss-pultz.html
"a hardware 'breadboarding' system to allow people to get access 
electrically to all of the bits of the phone's hardware"


Sounds very cool already ...

;-)

-Sven

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Re: iPhone vs. Neo1973 comparison

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Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb:

On 1/10/07 5:30 AM, "Ole Tange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have created a comparison between iPhone and Neo1973:
http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/iPhone


Very cool! Thanks for taking the time to do this. The only thing I found is
that micro-SD can go to 2GB now. (Or that's what my vendors tell me.)


2GB is great news. I thought this was a limitation of the Samsung 
s3c2410 SoC?


Anyway, so are you confirming that Bluetooth is of the 2.0 variety as 
stated on the Wiki? Does this mean 2.1 Mbit/s?
Can the Neo1973 establish more than one bluetooth connection at a time 
(e.g. keyboard + headset)?


Thanks,
-Sven

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Re: suggested development toolkit for games?

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Richard Franks wrote:
> In terms of retro gaming though, it's the perfect platform for 2d games:

Unfortunately, in the last 4 years of using a Sony Ericsson P800 phone I've
learned that there're only a handful of decent games (genres) that can be
played well without 5+ hardware buttons (two aren't enough).

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Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

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Tomasz Zielinski wrote:
> Looks like a Neo1973 real photo (device is a bit dust covered ;-)
> http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2007Jan/ces20070109001296.htm

Something is seriously wrong if they can't present a working unit the same
month they were originally going to ship them. Didn't they talk about
shipping units to a few devs in December?

Sean, please give us a new (realistic) release date - or at least confirm it
won't be out in January! Silence is deadly.

-Sven
PS: The final specs would also be highly appreciated

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Re: Finally, iPhone annoused, also with multi-touch screen

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Leira Hua wrote:
> when i saw it, i said: WOW, isn't it an OSX powered Neo?
> 
> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
> http://www.apple.com/iphone

It's hot.. *but* apparently it has no handwriting recognition and it isn't
really a smartphone (see
http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/73213967/ ), because you
can't upload new applications to it. Quite the opposite of the Neo, despite
the similar appearance. What a difference a bit of software makes...

Speaking about handwriting recognition software, will Neo ship with any?
Are there any free solutions available?

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Re: Light sensor

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Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> > On 11/30/06 3:32 AM, "Robert Michel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> But this light sensor could also combined with localisation, time and
>> >> provile (or movement sensor)
>> >> E.g. when I'm at home and the light sensor detects light at 2 o'clock
>> >> in the morning, I will still be reachable for calls from my frinds.
> >
> > Combined with automatically switching profiles (AGPS stuff) this is
> > really an amazing idea.

Agreed - fascinating possibilities! FYI, the Motorola L2 phone has a light
sensor (it toggles the keypad light), so it's been done already, but - of
course - the closed software on that phone doesn't fully utilize it...

-Sven


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