Re: rough seas
2007/6/20, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In less than a week, we will update you about what's going on at FIC/ OpenMoko, the status of GTA01/02, and our plans for selling these neos. One week has passed silently... -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
UI ideas/questions or can we animate things as smooth as iPhone?
2007/6/6, Fabien [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And I think openmoko can lead to real improvements in this domain, if: [...] - some people with the right social skills make the UI improvement effort run smoothly. iPhone is fascinating because it's GUI is so responsive and so smooth. Unfortunately, current OpenMoko GUI running on GTA01 is exactly opposite - every icon tap causes lag, busy indicator isn't too reliable and user experience is hit by overall slowness. As we know, much less powered machines (like 7MHz Amiga with Workbench and even 1MHz C64 with Geos) had enough resources to provide rich and usable user interface. I mentioned PalmOS some time ago - it executed programs in-place so most apps started literally in half a second. Question to FIC Team an/or other embedded developers: is it possible to speed up OpenMoko GUI responsiveness by a factor of 10 or the guilty is too-multi-tiered architecture of Xorg/GTK/Matchbox set? If with GTK/Matchbox we cannot achieve such rich, fluid and, erm..., fluid GUI as iPhone, maybe it's not too late to drop GTK and choose other framework, designed for mobile devices and running quick framebuffer operations? GameBoy provided nice full-screen animations in 1989, eighteen years ago. I'm 100% sure nobody will cry after pure-X11 applications we loose this way. Almost every GTK application would require rewriting/porting to fit OpenMoko capabilities, so it's not great loss too. Not to mention font and other DPI-aware issues. If OpenMoko will be judged as poor's man iPhone look and feel, it won't be attractive ever. To attract public attention we need at least one demo application which can animate elegant GUI with colorful widgets (e.g. album covers) as nice and smooth as we saw at iPhone commercials. If it cannot be done, it will be hard to advertise Neo, because youtube screencasts is today primary way people become acquainted with new device's user interfaces. -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 Update!
2007/6/3, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Phase 2 (GTA-02) will feature: -a 2D/3D-Graphics Accelerator -256MByte of Flash Memory -WiFi -updated battery: 1700mAh Well, GTA-01 is now definitely dead on arrival. Without finished software is hasn't any chance. My bet: it won't be sold at all, nobody would buy it now. GTA-02 will be the first model on sale. Am I correct? -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: release date
2007/5/18, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For end-users, it's still September. It definitely doesn't look like the OpenMoko (software) will be ready in 3 months. -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
2007/5/14, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED]: = Software = Software is very limited at this point: I have yet to place my first call using the phone. Features and overall software quality can (and will) improve in future, but poor performance worries me much. Long time ago I had Palm III which had 16MHz CPU and it's responsiveness was far, far better than Neo. My wife took working Neo1973, tapped random icon once, twice and a few times more and said device is hanging. I came to her, pointed small hourglass in top bar and after a while... dialer application started. Typical PDA, PalmOS or Windows Mobile based, boots in a few seconds and fires application in a second or two (or it displays splash if it's big software, like navigation one). Neo boots long minutes and even most basic applications starts too long - you can even watch GUI elements are drawn just like Java AWT or Swing widgets do on very slow machines. Maybe 200MHz ARM is just to weak to handle heavyweight GTK? Ot is there any other reason it works so slow? -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crossroads
2007/3/13, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The openmoko people had better provide us some information about what will work and what won't, or I'm out and advising others to do the same. We, others, don't need babysitting. Especially we don't expect Asian hardware manufacturer will provide any information about our local (EU or US) GSM services and pricing. We can read, do we? -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Wake me during light sleep
2007/3/13, Edwin Lock [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And I don't think there will be many countries that have cheaper prices...correct me if I'm wrong! http://msmobiles.com/catalog/i.php/578.html In Poland flat rate GPRS/EDGE/3G is available for private person for ~EUR 15 (cheapest option, data transfer may be limited after first GB / month). -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible security hole for Dialers/troyan horses
2007/3/1, mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: then give it a rating of some sort 1 - being safe/trusted program and 10 - being known bad binary/ don't use at any cost unless you really want bad things to happen. Well, nobody will recognize difference between rating 2 and 3 or 6 and 7. I think set of three values is sufficient: 1 - allow network/GSM activity, 2 - ask every time app is trying to open connection/send SMS/make voice call, 3 - ban without asking. I wonder if OpenMoko system/library calls can be overriden or catch at layer which will be able to show dialog popup for setting 2. -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: If you receive a Neo...
2007/2/11, Ryan Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED]: would be great if the developers that receive Neos tomorrow or in the coming days would post pictures/video to the discussion. Sure, I will publish Neo unboxing pictorial as soon as I get it :-) -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: enviroment friendly development for v2?
2007/2/4, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Don't get me wrong, I don't ask for making all better from the beginning - but on the longterm, it would be nice to promote OpenMoko/Neo1973 also with ecological criterias. Average OpenMoko user takes a bath once a week. iPhone user takes a shower twice a day! Buy Neo1974, save the Earth! :-] No keyboard is a good design to be able to use it for a longer time :) You can still use phones made in 60's, are you sure touchscreen will survive 40 years too? ;-) -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Handy application ideas
2007/2/2, kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...Because, I presume that the thief will do very quickly a hard reset. There is no such thing like restore to factory default in Neo1973. What you load to flash memory, will remain there. And I bet the silent alarm application will be very popular among OpenMoko power users (ones able to configure application which doesn't show up in visual application manager, otherwise it doesn't make sense). -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wish list: Call Forwarding from Neo
2007/2/1, Mary Stovel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just wondering if call forwarding from the Neo to another phone would be a possibility or desired. GSM network hadles it itself, if phone lack of redirection settings, you can dial magic code like *21*number# (i don't know if it's standarized) and it just works. But you pay for every redirected call like you were calling. Of course Neo would enable and disable forwarding automatically, but remember the costs of redirected calls. -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any alternative ideas to fullscreen popup-messages?
2007/1/31, Bryan Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think the first time it pops up while I'm doing something else (Mickey calling. Answer/Ignore/Reject? while I'm putting something on my calendar), and I accidentally click one of the buttons, I'm going to be very annoyed. I'd also be annoyed if I had to deal with the dialog before going back to whatever I was doing. Well, this is the cellular phone, so it's main goal is calling. If you don't want to, just turn off GSM subsystem. Popup window from other (not-focused) application could lock touchscreen for 0.5 sec like many phones do with keyboard, so no one taps wrong button by mistake. -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possibilities for commercial software?
2007/1/26, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hotsync ID, one device, one SD card... Even if it does not work. It would be nice if some more developers could be convinced that Prepare fancy build system with compilation on demand, then build dedicated software package for every customer, with his name hard-coded in binary. Does not prevent copying, but owner name in splash may lower piracy rate. -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer
2007/1/25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Great stuff to impress the ladies! ;) Please refrain from making any comments of a sexist or sexual orientation nature. Am I allowed to reveal my gender? I'm affraid it can be offensive, too... -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: built-in scripting languages
2007/1/23, Jay Trister [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My opinion -as an end user as programmer with medium experience- is that the phone should implement a stable version of a known widelly accepted scripting language and it should stick with it. I'm affraid of using interpreted and dynamically typed languages in embedded environment, like cellphone. Especially when using GSM API -- it's much easier to omit bug in interpreted language on embedded device than compiled one. Cellphones we know have GUI so strictly bounded to phone we don't even mention it. One display check and you know what happens with connection. OpenMoko will (probably) bahave differently -- man can even not notice at all that call is active. So if your script calls somewhere then fails silently, you will pay a lot. Summarizing: 1. Decide which version of a tested widelly accepted script-language will be used and will be pre-installed (I suggest perl). Yeah, like times when we were stuck with buggy and poor Java 1.1 in browsers for over 6 years, then flash came and ruled market. 2. Whoever want to use another version/language should include CLEAR instalation instruction (step-by-step) for the end-users. Package dependency should care it. -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is python built-in
2007/1/22, Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would like to know if python and pygtk is going to be installed in Neo1973 devices. Of course, some extra info about extra-python-features in this device would be nice. I seriously doubt it. I found python RPM and it has about 10 MB *compressed*. All default Neo1973 software (including kernel and libs) must fit in 64MB flash storage... -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WiFi
2007/1/21, Tom Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm new to the list, so I don't know whether this was already discussed, but I'm surprised (and a bit sorry) that the OpenMoKo spec doesn't include WiFi Whoa, you are right! Nobody noticed this thing before you mentioned it! -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sean interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRvtAAXTIlg Nothing new, but still worth watch :-) -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
2007/1/12, Jon Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: the good news is that it can be generic enough to handle these different devices... The bad news is they all have different screen resolutions, so application for different screen size will loose 95% of functionality, regardless of applied workaround. Remember J2ME standard. It's specification was way too wide so it accepted and tried to unify GUI for phones with (i.e.) 72x96 pixel and 352x416 screens. We know how it ended - if you are mobile java games developer, you have to fork your project to gazillion resolution/phone_vendor/phone_model combinations and support every one individually (and almost every mobile phone model has own set of J2ME implementation glitches). Windows CE and PocketPC also suffers - all non-standard resolution and/or screen orientation makes users cry. In fact only PalmOS had reasonable resolution - they simply quadrupled screen size from 160x160 to 320x320, which makes backward compatibility a piece of cake. I wish OpenMoko will grow in monocultural hardware environment, to avoid mentioned problems too early... -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Real Neo1973 photo?
Looks like a Neo1973 real photo (device is a bit dust covered ;-) http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2007Jan/ces20070109001296.htm We have a real photo of Sean too ;-) http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/010907-moss-pultz.html -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Patent?
2007/1/10, Stuart Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was just watching the apple iPhone keynote. And when Steve Jobs is describing the phone touchscreen interface, he says they have patented it. There were some touchscreen interfaces before iPhone. In civilized countries you cannot patent wide-known and non-yours invention and even if you succeed, you also have to convince court that someone should pay you for non-yours and wide-known invention. What does this mean about the OpenMoko phone? Nice looking, patented in United Stated GUI features can be recreated and improved by European programmers. We do not have software patents here. -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Something like a Wiki
2006/12/15, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Would it be possible to update the screenshots in the press page, since the ones there have a totally bogus fontsize, even for my relatively young eyes. And some sort of leaked device photos - if you are going to ship product in a month, you surely have preproduction prototypes :-) -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: capacitor to call the police without battery and SIM card *g* Re: Fun with Stolen/Lost Phones..
2006/12/15, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. You could use a phone of a friend to send a SMS with a onetime code. The very first thing thief do is remove and throw away your SIM card. So you can forget about contacting your phone, if you not set crontab task with sending silent SMS with current phone number to your phone or email once a day/week. -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shiny geek toy?
2006/12/7, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Until we have the wiki, I believe that Sean and the others are able to sort our ideas into the proper categories. I can set up temporary (or not temporary, but independent community) MediaWiki for OpenMoko. Should I? I don't want to disturb OpenMoko developers with starting site competitive to openmoko.org. -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
GreenPhone lesson
Trolltech's Greenphone: A reasonable first effort http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/06/11/27/1937202.shtml?tid=122 I hope OpenMoko and Neo1973 will avoid glitches mentioned there. -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (re)charging control
2006/11/27, Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2. battery is 'in 10-14h will be empty' Questions to hardware developers: 1. How long does the battery live with only GSM unit active? 2. How long with GSM and GPS? 3. How long with GSM, GPS and Bluetooth? 4. Is the user-mode software allowed to turn on and off various modules? In example: crontab task turns the GPS on, read coordinates, process them, turns GPS off and sleep for 15 minutes. Welcome to the OpenMoko community and regards from Poland :-) -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
