Re: QtMoko v14
ghislain wrote: > > Hi! > > I really like QtMoko and V14 is an improvement! > > Every time a new version arrives I provide the Freerunner Community in the > Netherlands with an alternative download on http://www.openmobile.nl/ > openmobile.nl (this site is in Dutch). > I also changes some basic things to the standard QtMoko version: > * I create an sdCard installer (Android alike, by flashing qi, rootfs, > kernel) > * I add some packages (pkg-fso-keyring vim ntpdate nfs-common mtd-utils > flite) > * I add a working version of Navit (under QX), with speech (flite) with > an working map (Benelux) on the sdCard under the MapsNavit folder > * I change the defaults of the fstab (swap on 2nd partition of sdCard), > nfs-mount to host (192.168.1.200) /media/jffs2 > > Maybe this is handy for the rest of the community too? Take a look at the > latest (V14) installer-image: > http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm14 QtMoko V14 Installer > Image and let me know if this is something you all like or if there need > to be some changes. > > > > > > whoops, you already did it and i just found it (somewhat hidden) in your download section. Thanks, i'll try when i'm home :) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/QtMoko-v14-tp3781291p3795633.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v14
ghislain wrote: > > Hi! > > I really like QtMoko and V14 is an improvement! > > Every time a new version arrives I provide the Freerunner Community in the > Netherlands with an alternative download on http://www.openmobile.nl/ > openmobile.nl (this site is in Dutch). > I also changes some basic things to the standard QtMoko version: > * I create an sdCard installer (Android alike, by flashing qi, rootfs, > kernel) > * I add some packages (pkg-fso-keyring vim ntpdate nfs-common mtd-utils > flite) > * I add a working version of Navit (under QX), with speech (flite) with > an working map (Benelux) on the sdCard under the MapsNavit folder > * I change the defaults of the fstab (swap on 2nd partition of sdCard), > nfs-mount to host (192.168.1.200) /media/jffs2 > > Maybe this is handy for the rest of the community too? Take a look at the > latest (V14) installer-image: > http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm14 QtMoko V14 Installer > Image and let me know if this is something you all like or if there need > to be some changes. > > > > > > would you mind creating some package or archive which simply unpacks all necessary files of navit (w/o maps ofc) into the root dir or qtmoko? or maybe add instructions to the qtmoko wiki on how to get the latest version of navit (svn would be best) working on qtmoko? first one might be easier, as you already did all the appropriate steps :) thanks in advance! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/QtMoko-v14-tp3781291p3795590.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko - v11 - WiFi take 2
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Ok, now I have QtMoko v11 instaled, and I am trying to get Wireless
> working
> again.
> Now I am using the QT network script, /opt/qtmoko//bin/lan-network from a
> shell (via ssh).
> I have changed the script so it doesn't do ifdown / ifup usb0. (The
> passpharse is also changed)
> Here is what I have done:
> /opt/qtmoko/bin/lan-network install eth0 dhcp
> /opt/qtmoko/bin/lan-network install eth0 wireless -essid "kg4" -authmode
> WPA-PSK "password" TKIP
>
> neo:~# /opt/qtmoko//bin/lan-network start eth0
> LAN: Starting config script for lan plugin
> LAN: With params : start
> LAN: starting eth0
> Starting wireless
> + . /root/Settings/Network/wireless/eth0
> + WIRELESS_ESSID=kg4
> + WIRELESS_AUTH_MODE=WPA-PSK
> + WIRELESS_WPA_PSK=password
> + WIRELESS_PAIRWISE=TKIP
> + WIRELESS_GROUP=TKIP
> + WPACONF=/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
> + echo
> + echo ctrl_interface=/var/lib/wpa_supplicant
> + echo ctrl_interface_group=0
> + echo eapol_version=1
> + echo fast_reauth=1
> + echo ap_scan=1
> + echo network={
> + [ -n kg4 ]
> + echo ssid="kg4"
> + [ -n ]
> + echo proto=WPA2 WPA RSN
> + [ -n WPA-PSK ]
> + echo key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
> + [ -n TKIP ]
> + echo pairwise=TKIP
> + [ -n TKIP ]
> + echo group=TKIP
> + [ -n password ]
> + echo psk="password"
> + [ -n ]
> + [ -n ]
> + [ -n ]
> + [ -n ]
> + [ -n ]
> + [ -n ]
> + [ -n ]
> + [ -n ]
> + [ -n ]
> + [ -n ]
> + [ -n ]
> + [ -n ]
> + [ -n ]
> + [ -n ]
> + echo }
> + /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up
> + [ != ]
> + /sbin/iwconfig eth0 ap any
> + [ != ]
> + /sbin/iwconfig eth0 rate auto
> + [ != ]
> + [ != ]
> + [ != ]
> + /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant -d -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B
> -ieth0
> + + sleep 3
> logger -t WPA
> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
> + /sbin/udhcpc -n -i eth0
> + try_ip eth0
> + COUNT=0
> + echo Trying to find ip: 0
> Trying to find ip: 0
> + [ 0 -gt 10 ]
> + /sbin/ifconfig eth0
> + grep inet[^6]
> + awk BEGIN{FS=":"}{print $2}
> + awk {print $1}
> udhcpc (v0.9.9-pre) started
> + IP=
> + [ -n ]
> + sleep 1
> Sending discover...
> + COUNT=1
> + [ 1 -gt 10 ]
> + /sbin/ifconfig eth0
> + + grep inet[^6]
> + awk {print $1}
> awk BEGIN{FS=":"}{print $2}
> + IP=
> + [ -n ]
> + sleep 1
> Sending discover...
> + COUNT=2
> + [ 2 -gt 10 ]
> + /sbin/ifconfig eth0
> + + grep inet[^6]
> awk BEGIN{FS=":"}{print $2}
> + awk {print $1}
> + IP=
> + [ -n ]
> + sleep 1
> + COUNT=3
> + [ 3 -gt 10 ]
> + /sbin/ifconfig eth0
> + grep inet[^6]
> + + awk {print $1}
> awk BEGIN{FS=":"}{print $2}
> + IP=
> + [ -n ]
> + sleep 1
> Sending discover...
> + COUNT=4
> + [ 4 -gt 10 ]
> + /sbin/ifconfig eth0
> + grep inet[^6]
> + awk {print $1}
> + awk BEGIN{FS=":"}{print $2}
> + IP=
> + [ -n ]
> + sleep 1
> + COUNT=5
> + [ 5 -gt 10 ]
> + /sbin/ifconfig eth0
> + + + grep inet[^6]awk BEGIN{FS=":"}{print $2}
> awk {print $1}
>
> + IP=
> + [ -n ]
> + sleep 1
> + COUNT=6
> + [ 6 -gt 10 ]
> + /sbin/ifconfig eth0
> + grep inet[^6]
> + awk BEGIN{FS=":"}{print $2}
> + awk {print $1}
> + IP=
> + [ -n ]
> + sleep 1
> Lease failed:
> No lease, failing.
> + COUNT=7
> + [ 7 -gt 10 ]
> + /sbin/ifconfig eth0
> + grep inet[^6]
> + awk BEGIN{FS=":"}{print $2}
> + awk {print $1}
> + IP=
> + [ -n ]
> + sleep 1
> + COUNT=8
> + [ 8 -gt 10 ]
> + /sbin/ifconfig eth0
> + grep inet[^6]
> + awk BEGIN{FS=":"}{print $2}
> + awk {print $1}
> + IP=
> + [ -n ]
> + sleep 1
> + COUNT=9
> + [ 9 -gt 10 ]
> + /sbin/ifconfig eth0
> + awk BEGIN{FS=":"}{print $2}+ grep inet[^6]
> + awk {print $1}
>
> + IP=
> + [ -n ]
> + sleep 1
> + COUNT=10
> + [ 10 -gt 10 ]
> + /sbin/ifconfig eth0
> + awk {print $1}+ awk BEGIN{FS=":"}{print $2}
> + grep inet[^6]
>
> + IP=
> + [ -n ]
> + sleep 1
> + COUNT=11
> + [ 11 -gt 10 ]
> + stop eth0
> + print_debug stopping interface eth0
> + [ 1 -eq 1 ]
> + echo LAN: stopping interface eth0
> LAN: stopping interface eth0
> + [ 1 -eq 1 ]
> + echo LAN: stopping interface eth0
> + /sbin/ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 down
> + ifdown eth0
> ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
> + ps aux
> + grep [u]dhcpc .*-i eth0
> + awk {print $2}
> + DHCP_PIDS=
> + [ -n ]
> + ps aux
> + grep [w]pa_supplicant .* -ieth0
> + awk {print $2}
> + WPASUP_PIDS=2391
> + [ -n 2391 ]
> + kill 2391
> + [ -e /home/root/Documents/eth0.txt ]
> neo:~#
>
> So unfortunately, it doesn't work. :-/
> I really don't understand why this doesn't work.
> --
> Regards,
> Torfinn Ingolfsen
>
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>
Try with AES instead of TKIP. Set it on your router and try to connect
again. i had it, that TKIP just didnt work somehow. AES works flawlessly.
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Re: Fwd: Re: linphone
john dowd wrote: > > > -- Forwarded Message -- > > Subject: Re: linphone > Date: Monday 21 September 2009 > From: John Dowd > To: Johan Thelmén > > On Saturday 12 September 2009 05:18:35 you wrote: >> I use this. >> >> http://87.227.108.179/neo/linphone-3.1.0/ >> >> But because of printed audio errors witch we can see if running from >> commandline, I had to remove /etc/asound.conf But it should probably be >> fixed in application instead. Used this to build it >> http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building SHR >> >> I also remember there was some problem with the mic audio setting. But I >> used it oneway with asterisk. > > Johan, > > It's installed now and working over the wifi and the audio even works > after a > fashion. > > My next problem is that it doesn't seem to have a way of recording the > numbers > that I would call. Since this is a demo I don't want the person presenting > to > have to type in the SIP address everytime. Is there a way of adding SIP > phone > numbers to the caller list? Right now it appears but I can't see how to > put > anyone into the list. > > Cheers! > > -- > "To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy." > > John Dowd > S/W Contractor > email: jdowd at gmail dot com > Cell: (613)316-7884 > Home: (613)234-7884 > > --- > > -- > "To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy." > > John Dowd > S/W Contractor > email: jdowd at gmail dot com > Cell: (613)316-7884 > Home: (613)234-7884 > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > Hi John, i have two positive suggestion for you. first is: i got linphone to play and record sound!! with the hints from the mail you quoted, the packages there (dunno if neccessary) and a self-created alsa state file [1], it works. i moved the /etc/asound.conf file somewhere else (dunno if neccessary, try it out), loaded up the state file and now can make calls. however there is one problem: you will hear yourself with a 1 sec delay occasionally. try to edit the state file and finetune it. second is: you can add contacts through rightclicking on the contacts thingy in linphone. now there is the literki keyboard (you can find it through searching the mailing list), which lets you open up an emulated mouse with pointer and right and left click. read rusolis' announcement for further instructions. simply "rightclick" on the contacts area, click on add and off you go. hope this helps. Please report back your experiences with the asound.conf removal and your results. Greetings! [1] http://tschaka.ts.ohost.de/linphone2.state -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Fwd-Re-linphone-tp3687262p3688419.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Podboy!
Marcel-2 wrote: > > Hello! > > I just want to praise Valery Febvre for her (? Sounds female to me... > females are rare in here *g*) absolutely great picture viewer, namely > Neon. I had it on my Neo for quite some time but never came to actually > trying it. Now I had some pictures from Wacken this year to show to my > friends and tried opening them with Neon. Worked perfect. Fullscreen mode, > a little time to find out that one has to press on the bottom to get out > the arrow "keys" for image changing and there we went. > Thanks for that awesome piece of software! > > I think this deserves some honour on opkg.org's home page... > > -- > Marcel > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > I only tried Neon once and must say i really liked it. But, furthermore, there is this other great piece of software of valery which hardly anybody seems to know: Podboy [1] Podboy is the podcast software you want to got with. It's fast, polished, looks nice, feels stable and has a nice structure - give it a try. loading your everyday news podcast at breakfast for listening on the go is really fun with it. The only thing i am missing is some option button for turning off autosuspend while running - but this can easily be avoided by a little startup script Thanks Valery! [1] http://code.google.com/p/podboy/ -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Neon%21-tp3400492p3400646.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] new images v6 - problems over problems.
Radek Polak wrote: > > Tschaka wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> QTMoko doesnt seem to make it for me. although it feels like a phone, it >> is >> totally unreliable. it's totally freezing occassionally, which led me >> twice >> to a broken file system, which the fsck at startup didnt fix (it wanted >> to >> reboot after fsck, but then i got a nice kernel panic). > > You can try put it in NAND instead of SD card. I think Freerunner/kernel > do not work well with some kind of SD cards. E.g. i have bought Kingston > 8GB SD card. QtMoko booted only like in 50% cases resulting mostly in > some mmc related kernel messages scrolling on the screen. So i changed > this card with friend's SanDisk 4GB and this one works just fine. > > But NAND is probably best place to have stable phone. I never had > problems when running from NAND. > > Regards > > Radek > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > Right, i could have thought of that on my own... The card i actually installed QTmoko at has been the card which has been delivered with the phone (a 512 MB Transcend Card). The one i bought yesterday has been a 2 GB Transcend card. Both of them made Problems. Earlier this year i bought a camcorder. With it i bought an 8 GB SDHC Card. My Camera stopped recording occassionally, but pretended it would record further. The device hung, didnt react on any key input. Now guess which brand it had ... Right, Transcend. Now i'm having a Kingston 8 GB SDHC card in it, and it works flawlessly... Guess i'm off to the shop tomorrow, buying sone SanDisk card, as you said it works for you. Thanks for the hint :) Greetings -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QtMoko--new-images-v6-tp3385796p3400446.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] new images v6 - problems over problems.
Radek Polak wrote: > > Hi, > i have just uploaded new QtMoko debian images. You can download as > usually from > > http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/ > > MD5 sums: > > 55cae339a3bbd714cc98f8d057b82014 qtmoko-debian-v6.jffs2 > d49dcd64f34e0675874a4bd4f73af79c qtmoko-debian-v6.tar.gz > f64f5ff2e7dad0202e7cb69d263d006d uImage-v6.bin > > Changes from previous version: > > * wifi should work > * alarm should work (only first alarm after boot, second probably wont > ring) > * greatly improved boot speed (can be even more sped up if you replace > bash with dash) > * fixed blinking cursor after app in QX ended up > * SSH and other services are starting after Qtopia is up (so you have to > wait some time before you can ssh to neo) > > I hope that no regression crept in and i'd recommend this version. > > There are still problems with long SMS and contacts import. It will take > some time because my holidays end up today and i will be probably busy > for some time. > > Anyway, enjoy images > > Regards > > Radek > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > Hello, QTMoko doesnt seem to make it for me. although it feels like a phone, it is totally unreliable. it's totally freezing occassionally, which led me twice to a broken file system, which the fsck at startup didnt fix (it wanted to reboot after fsck, but then i got a nice kernel panic). Luckily i'm still having SHR on my phone, to run a file system check over the partition of Qtmoko. This worked flawlessly once, once after i rebooted then, all my settings were gone. the messages application wouldnt startup anymore, the clock was shown all the time. i then accidently clicked on "Games" in the menu, which led the phone to lock up again. Once the file system was that much damaged, that qtmoko left me with a nice terminal login screen at init2. what to do if you got this in the middle of nowhere, only coz ur phone locked up?! this mainly happened, when i was setting up the email account via wifi. (actually that's been the only "advanced" task i did with qtmok yet, so this isn't essentially caused by the email programm. once this happened when i was doing something else with various programms) Once this happened, when the emails from imap were being received, and i thought, ok, cool, now lets try to click "New" to compose an e-mail. Phone crashed. Note, that i still could ping the phone. Once this happened after i eventually received all the imap emails, and scrolled on the top of the list. The screen started to flicker like hell (all i saw was a turquoise screen, flickering a bit. there was NOTHING visible from the menu i've been before). Only reboot through pressing the power button for 8 seconds worked. (missed to do a video of this, i'll do when it happens again.) Things like these happened earlier these days with qtmoko, when i even had to pull the battery to get the phone up running again. Note that i tried QTmoko first when v5 got released, which happened a few days ago. i never actually got beyond the configuration phase. the phone just crashed then. i first thought, that this may be caused by full ram (b/c this freeze up happened in SHR as well 1 or 2 times). today i bought this 2 gb SD card, made a swap partition 270 mb large and installed qtmoko v6 on the remaining 1,7 GB partition. So full diskspace/RAM/Swap is quite unlikely. Any hints on how to go on, or by what these problems my be caused? As much as i like qtmoko with its polished email, messages, phonebook and phonefeeling, that is just not acceptable for me. i'm happy that the FR isn't my primary phone yet, so i dont have to rely on it too much at the moment and can play around with such flaws. For now i am back to SHR though... Thanks for your help. i'm off to bed. Good night. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QtMoko--new-images-v6-tp3385796p3395174.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] New debian images V5
Radek Polak wrote: > > Tschaka wrote: > >> * Wifi doesnt work. It just doesnt connect. > > It seems that in debian wpa_supplicant is in /sbin while the wireless > script expects it in /usr/sbin. Could you try if > > ln -s /sbin/wpa_supplicant /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant > > helps? > > Thanks > > Radek > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > That did it. Thanks! Wifi is working with wpa2 AES and now i can start using the email programm, which is _very_ nice! And the browser is even finger friendly, i can browse with just dragging the page. impressive! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QtMoko--New-debian-images-V5-tp3346164p3379795.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] New debian images V5
Radek Polak wrote: > > Hi, > new version of QtMoko debian images is uploading now. It will be > possible to download them soon (like in 2 hours) from: > > http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/ > > MD5 checksums: > > 6c259005e72c5c163bee85bdd92d290f qtmoko-debian-v5.jffs2 > b1164caeda73a69e62091af3f5269fe5 qtmoko-debian-v5.tar.gz > f64f5ff2e7dad0202e7cb69d263d006d uImage-v5.bin > > Most important changes in V5 version include: > > * much better support for X applications > > * X is not starting during boot which makes Qtopia faster > > * short AUX press brings up menu while running X application > > * X application stopping should be now correct (first SIGTERM and if no > response then SIGKILL) > > * included TangoGPS, xterm with matchbox virtual keyboard and > matchbox window manager. > > * scripts for turning on/off bluetooth, wifi, gps and for switching USB > between host and device (available from dev tools menu) > > Most probably no bugs were introduced and this version should be stable > as daily phone. > > There can be still problem with no sound on incoming call. The only > workaround i know is to make outgoing call after boot (e.g. to some cost > free number) and all incoming calls will be ok after that. > > With X application support you can now use TangoGPS for mapping, links2 > for web browsing, you can play doom, tons of games in scummvm - the > possibilities are nearly endless. > > You can also switch to USB host and attach USB keyboard which will work > for X applications. > > For more information please visit links [1] [2] [3] [4]. > > The support for X applications still needs some more work. I would > appreciate if someone could help me understand why X server cannot be > started from within Qtopia. It always hangs in VT_WAITACTIVE. I am now > solving this with simple helper program [5] that starts before Qtopia. > To me it looks that Qtopia takes over virtual terminal and when X tries > to allocate it - it hangs. So this needs clean solution and understanding > the problem. Any help would be very welcome. > > In next days I will be on holidays on my bike so i will get to mail on > Monday. > > Enjoy images, hope you will like them > > Cheers > > Radek > > > [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/ > [2] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/ > [3] http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/tree/master/ > [4] http://qtmoko.org/ > [5] > http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/tree/e0c5da38bfcb8eaaf205967ad084ee3475394572/src/3rdparty/applications/qx_helper > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > Hi Radek, now that you are back from holidays, i'm sorry to disturb you with bugs. first of all, my freerunner is new, i only tried shr, and when v5 of qtmoko was released and my phone just returned from buzz fixing, i thought i would install it. i must say i am very impressed. it just feels like a phone and is pretty much fun to play around with. especially the contacts/sms/etc thingy is really good. And it feels stable. however, there are a few glitches. * Alarm doesnt start, when the phone is suspended. it just starts a few seconds after manually resuming the phone. * Wifi doesnt work. It just doesnt connect. * sms longer then 160 characters are sent succesfully and received by the other phone. However, sending such a sms to qtmoko doesn't work somehow. it only gets received after a reboot. * The phone shouldnt suspend when e.g. trying to connect to wifi or in gps mode. * Bluetooth worked, somehow. i activated BT, was able to receive and send files, but then it suspended before i couldnt turn BT off again - after that, the bt config dialog told me, that bt would not be availible. Furthermore i would like to ask a few questions/for feature requests. i know the keyboard debate is getting old. but i always wondered why would couldnt have a keyboard just like a usual phone, like the keyboard which is used at pin input (like this one here: http://lwn.net/images/qpe/call_sm.png ) with some corrective mechanism as the illume keyboards of shr do (for writing sms at least). and i really really would appreciate a small lightweight jabber client and a SIP client. Thanks for your efforts! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QtMoko--New-debian-images-V5-tp3346164p3373698.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SOLD!!! (one more question: A6 or A7)
basically the A7 contains the Buzz-Fix, which A6 doesn't. ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix ) i would say you really would like to have the buzz-fix, since although not every phone suffers from it under every circumstances it can be really annoying, especially for the calling partner and especially when you want to do business calls. You can either get it fixed by a buzzfix program (there is one in the US afaik and reffering to the wiki) or just get an "real" A7. However, getting an A6 and getting the buzz fixed afterwards might be a few dozen bucks cheaper (just check the prices). Greetings Paul lists-9 wrote: > > Thanks everyone: > What's the difference (other than the hundred buck price difference) > between > the A6 and the A7? > Should I care? > Again, thanks! > Enrique > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Hello-world.-Is-the-Neo-Freerunner-dead--tp3218917p3219832.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-unstable] 20090624 suspend off not really off?
vendion wrote: > > I have just noticed the opposite problem, I am unable to get shr- > unstable to auto suspend. Going to shr settings -> Power and using > the slider for the auto suspend to try an enable it does not work, > when I drag it, the slider just goes back to "disabled" no matter how > many times I try it or even how long I hold it there. > I'm experiencing the exact same problem with the 20090624 SHR Unstable. This is can only be fixed by rebooting. What i experienced is, that this is always happening when starting Mokomaze and tangogps (i suspect other suspend-preventing apps would have the same effect). After the program gets closed, autosuspend doesnt work again. However, i set up this Wifi script, which requests the cpu and sets it back to auto when turning wifi off again. The particular commands are: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy CPU enabled mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy CPU auto When using these commands, autosuspend works flawlessly. which commands are omgps, tangogps, mokomaze using? In mokomaze you can specify the particular commands per config. i put in those above, only with "CPU" replaced by "Display", autosuspend doesnt work again though after closing mokomaze. The display dimms anyway. vendion wrote: > > On Jul 1, 2009, at 8:23 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: > >> list! shr-unstable issue on the table for today. i have just noticed >> my phone is continually going into suspend mode even though both >> enlightenment and shr suspends are disabled. >> >> is there something in frameworkd.confg that can kill suspend from auto >> happening but still allow for power menu suspending? >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-shr-unstable--20090624-suspend-off-not-really-off--tp3192622p3194732.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
Huh, thanks for your effort! This sounds nice and would totally fit my battery need for one day i guess. expecting some improvements later things would be even better, but apparently it already is well enough for my needs :) One more question: i guess you put the phone in suspend mode during the inactive time? furthermore i read some issues on audio quality lately. is the quality of audio playback acceptable with headset? Thanks for your help! Marx wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Margo Koppelmann > wrote: >> >> I left my Freerunner charging for the knight. In the morning the >> battery was 94% charged. >> 8:00 - Battery is 94%. I start to listen to music (.ogg) with my FR. >> Screen is blanked during this. >> 8:40 - I stop listening to music. Battery is 86%. >> 17:00 - Battery is 68%. I start surfing the web using GPRS. >> 17:17 - I stop surfing the web. Battery is 64%. >> 18:35 - Battery is 54%. I start to listen to music (with blanked screen). >> 19:12 - I stop listening to music. Battery is 46%. >> 21:40 - Battery is 40%. I start surfing the web over wifi. >> >> During the day I've made a few phone calls, sent one sms, used the GPS >> with tangoGPS for about 10 minutes, played some games and checked >> regularly for the battery state. >> >> Right now I'm still using the wifi and I'm writing this mail on my FR. >> I'ts 22:51 and battery is 12% charged. >> > > Sorry, I forgot - I'm using OM2008.12 > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Questions-about-the-usability-of-GTA02-tp2249982p2305114.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 06:11:58AM -0800, Tschaka wrote: >> >> So, again somebody is asking a question about usabilty. Please don't get >> me >> wrong, i actually browsed the mailing lists and wikis, but still there >> are >> some unsure things, and i'd like to have a bit more of a summarization. > >> I'm interested in buying an openmoko Neo Freerunner, > >Why? What is it that you expect the Neo Freerunner to do that the other > handheld devices out there won't? You will have noticed that pretty much > all > the unhappy users are those expecting the Neo Freerunner to be just > another > well polished smartphone. If you buy a Neo Freerunner, do it for the right > reasons so you avoid disappointment. > >For example, the reasons _I_ bought a Freerunner instead of one of the > competing devices: > > 1) I can install and use the programs _I_ want, even if nobody else sees > the >point. Example: For trainspotting, I want a database with freight train >timetables and a front end so I can look up train passage times when at > a >station. > 2) A screen big enough to do 1). 480x640 is better than most handhelds. > 3) A GNU/Linux environment like on my desktop system, which means I can >basicly do the same things on the go as I do at home. > 4) Enough RAM to do 1) and 3). Most such devices have less than 128 MB. > 5) An external USB port! Combined with 3), the possibilities are nearly >endless. Just look at all the USB devices out there, ready to plug in. >E.g. even though the Neo doesn't have a built in 3G modem, a USB one > can >be added. The Freerunner also connects fine to a USB cable modem, just >'ifup eth1' and off you go. > 6) Schematics. It brings me the sort of excitement and enthusiasm I >experienced back in around 1990 when I bought an Amiga 500 and found > the >schematics in the back of the manual. I did some hardware upgrades to > my >Amiga 500 and I'll likely be doing a few to my Freerunner as well. >See also: The hardware list. > 7) Generally, if there's something I'm not happy with on the Freerunner, >I'll have a much better chance of being able to change it to my liking. > 8) I will eventually need a replacement for my more than 5 years old > Samsung >phone. It's not just that the battery has aged noticably, the Samsung >also has a number of silly misfeatures such as refusing to adjust >speaker volume while in soundless mode, no way to use sound recordings > as >ringtones and no way of entering '+' in a phone number. See also 7). > >Neither the Android Dev Phone 1/T-Mobile G1, the iPhone or the Nokia > N810 > live up to all of the above points. I have not carefully checked if one of > the many HTC devices would suit me better. > >> 1st) Battery Power >> >> sometimes i'm at university from 9am to 10pm 6 days a week. I'm often >> browsing mobile news pages with my phone when going to university, or >> having >> a chat (XMPP of course!), approx 40 minutes a day. In the meantime i'm >> listening to music. >> I got no actual watch, so my phone is my watch, means i often activate >> the >> background light to get to know the time. >> I'm sending like 1-5 messages a day, having a phone call now and then. >> Now and then i would like to access the web via wifi. >> >> So, since i'm not able to plug the phone to a power source at university, >> would i be able to run it the whole day, without getting out of battery >> power after 10 hours? > >The following is with the Debian distribution (with ancient 2.6.24 > kernel), xscreensaver not installed and GSM off: > > Suspended: 20 % battery charge remaining after 3 days. > If sitting idle (not suspended) with the screen blanked: 20 hours[1]. But > 7 hours drain 38 % of capacity, which gives about 18.5 hours instaed. > If sitting idle (not suspended) with full backlight on: 5.5 hours[1]. > Playing music[2] using mikmod with the screen blanked: 7.5 hours[1]. > Playing music[2] using alsaplayer with the screen blanked: 6 hours[1]. > Playing music[2] using alsaplayer with full backlight on: 3.5 hours[1]. > Shooting video[3] with full backlight on: Well under 3 hours. ;-) > >Some distributions automatically suspend after a while, others don't. > Some distributions don't unblank the screen while locked, so you can e.g. > put it in a pocket while playing music without wasting battery power on > backlight. ISTR this works fine in OM2008.9, but it doesn't in Debian. :-( > >
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
arne anka wrote: > >> 1st) Battery Power >> ... >> So, since i'm not able to plug the phone to a power source at university, >> would i be able to run it the whole day, without getting out of battery >> power after 10 hours? > > > not with the scenario you describe -- but otoh: which phone does? your > power consumption seems pretty impressive to me and with a phone more > suited to doing that stuff (that said, i don't know what phone you are > currently using, but assume something more traditional). > > Ya, atm i am using a sony ericsson k800i, so just an ordinary phone. it's handling my needs very well, when it comes down to battery power. i only got to charge the battery every 3 or 4 days. to make things clear: i don't listen to music all day, only on the go, so maximum 2 hours a day. arne anka wrote: > >> And, will there be a (software) fix (soon) for the issue, that the >> battery >> gets uncharged, even if plugged in, as soon as the battery is fully >> charged? > > afaik is the re no way be sw to fix that -- the gsm takes power from > battery directly, so whatever your phone gets from usb, the battery would > still be drained. > the consensus seems currently to be, to startcharging when battery falls > below a certain leverl -- but that in turn might trigger a lot of > load/unload cycles. don't know, though, how well li-io handles taht on the > long run. > (maybe at least some little backup power would be nice, so that one could > swas the battery when suspenden w/o the need to fully shutdown/reboot). > >> (i got no problem charging the phone every night, but when it's fully >> charged at 2am, it would have been running 7 hours on battery power by my >> arrival at university, so the battery would be low sooner) > > well, there's the emergency power supply by by batteries, several of those > contraptions where linked to over time. you have basically a box with > regular batteries or rechargeables with an usb pigtail to plug into the fr > and charge it. > you know the saying: neo owner is man who carries wll charger all the time > ... > to sum it up: assuming i'm leaving house at 8.30 am, i would have to plug the phone in at 6.30 am, to have it fully charged by departure? i don't know if this works, and i totally can understand the concerns on many load cycles, but my ordinary phone just stays at 100% as soon as it's fully charged, and when i plug it off it still is at 100% even after 10 hours or something (at least the battery indicator says). could and will this be implemented into later releases? as u may imagine, i'm not willing to get up 1 hour before time, to have my phone fully charged by departure :) (let's not talk about timed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_strip Power strips (?) or something) arne anka wrote: > > >> 2) Calls >> ... >> on the other end (u know, my gf isn't that patient and insightfull with >> opensource software(issues) as i am, it took me weeks and shutting down >> icq completely to convince her to use xmpp :) ) > > bad planning. you should never have allowed icq in the first place ;-) > > ya indeed. came on this a bit to late :) arne anka wrote: > > maybe, when you give some hints to your location, someone owning an fr > already might make him/herself available to show the fr in the flesh and > demonstrate your scenarios? > Good idea, i will! Thanks to you for the fast and nice answers! -- Michael Zanetti wrote: > > Hi Tschaka! > > On Saturday 31 January 2009 15:11:58 Tschaka wrote: >> 1st) Battery Power >> >> sometimes i'm at university from 9am to 10pm 6 days a week. I'm often >> browsing mobile news pages with my phone when going to university, or >> having a chat (XMPP of course!), approx 40 minutes a day. In the meantime >> i'm listening to music. >> I got no actual watch, so my phone is my watch, means i often activate >> the >> background light to get to know the time. >> I'm sending like 1-5 messages a day, having a phone call now and then. >> Now and then i would like to access the web via wifi. >> >> So, since i'm not able to plug the phone to a power source at university, >> would i be able to run it the whole day, without getting out of battery >> power after 10 hours? >> And, will there be a (software) fix (soon) for the issue, that the >> battery >> gets uncharged, even if plugged in, as soon as the battery is fully >> charged? (i got no problem charging the phone every night, but when it's >> fully charged a
Questions about the usability of GTA02
So, again somebody is asking a question about usabilty. Please don't get me wrong, i actually browsed the mailing lists and wikis, but still there are some unsure things, and i'd like to have a bit more of a summarization. I'm interested in buying an openmoko Neo Freerunner, but i'd like to get to know some things before i will. I'm a student, so 300 €(even 249 €, Pulster ;) ) is an amount of money i can't spend every month, or w/o any effort. So i don't want to end up getting a Neo now, being unsatisfied and getting a gta03/other brand later this or next year. I'm not that deep into Linux, but i'm running Ubuntu reasonably well, so i'm not totally unfamiliar with linux. i know what svn/git is, and wouldnt be totally unable to build somethings from sources - although it's not an every day task here. So, here's my list of questions, i hope somebody will answer and clear them up a bit :) 1st) Battery Power sometimes i'm at university from 9am to 10pm 6 days a week. I'm often browsing mobile news pages with my phone when going to university, or having a chat (XMPP of course!), approx 40 minutes a day. In the meantime i'm listening to music. I got no actual watch, so my phone is my watch, means i often activate the background light to get to know the time. I'm sending like 1-5 messages a day, having a phone call now and then. Now and then i would like to access the web via wifi. So, since i'm not able to plug the phone to a power source at university, would i be able to run it the whole day, without getting out of battery power after 10 hours? And, will there be a (software) fix (soon) for the issue, that the battery gets uncharged, even if plugged in, as soon as the battery is fully charged? (i got no problem charging the phone every night, but when it's fully charged at 2am, it would have been running 7 hours on battery power by my arrival at university, so the battery would be low sooner) 2) Calls As i'm sometimes having a phone call (huh, surprise), i would like to know, if the echo, and especially the buzzing issue will be fixed soon. I read, the echo was fixed in FSO/SHR already, but regarding the buzz i read the mailing list, but there i didnt feel i got a reliable answer(sorry for asking again). i'm not familiar with soldering iron, and i'm not willing to crack up another phone (already did once this way :) ). So, will there a fix of this buzzing soonish by default (a7, a8?) on the base of the often refered capacitor? (as i said, i'm not willing to pay twice, getting a gta03 later due to unfixed buzz problems, or replacing a damaged freerunner). Also, i'm not willing to pay 300€ for a phone that doesnt allow me to have a nice talk with my dad or gf on an at least acceptable level for the person on the other end (u know, my gf isn't that patient and insightfull with opensource software(issues) as i am, it took me weeks and shutting down icq completely to convince her to use xmpp :) ) 3) Software I got no problem with rudimentary software. Most important thing is Sending messages, Having a few Calls, Having GPS apps to improve Openstreetmap and such and browsing the web. I know the software is something being worked on, and apparently it improved a lot already. But: Do such basic features work already (like browsing phone book to make a call) acceptably reliable? I'm patient in handling problems and fiddling around a bit, wanting to have a succes in the end though. And: how sluggish is the software? i often read glamo slows the phone down pretty much. 4) GTA03? Or would u rather advise me to wait for GTA03? I really want to support Openmoko, and to be honest, as i heard first of openmoko like 2 years ago, i already wanted to have one. On the other hand, i'm sorry to say, that such fundamental bugs hold me back getting one yet. But according to the wiki, gta03 will have features like EDGE, a Cam, better battery and removed glamo (rather fast software "feeling" and video performance?) that sound very interesting. EGDE would be nice, but for me isn't necessary, and as Cam i could use my current phone. But shall i, at least, rather wait for a7, or a8 if i want a buzz fix by default? at the moment, this is, besides battery life, the issue that concerns me most. 5) Summarize Long story short, i don't want to get disappointed buying a neo. I mean, fancy features, software and such is nice to have, but if fundamental things won't work (acceptable), I and many others won't support Openmoko on the long term, means replacing the Neo with a later release of Openmoko in 1,2 or 3 years. and, as sean moss pultz wrote, "John Doe" won't see any advantage of getting an openmoko over other "open" (haha, at least on his point of view) phones like iPhone, and Android ones. Hopefully i'll get some constructive hints on my questions, and if i'd rather wait, or buy on the spur of moment. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Questions-about-the-usability-of-GTA02-tp2249982p2249
