RE: InvisibleSHIELD UPDATE/QUESTION
Hi Dan, Thank you very much for your speedy response. I will forward this mail to the mailinglist. Kind regards, Yorick Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:16:00 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: InvisibleSHIELD UPDATE/QUESTION Hallo Yorick your email / contact is much appreciated, many thanks. I will try to make a deal with Dan so the OpenMoko community can order the shields easily and without customs trouble from our shop. Again many thanks for your help, Chris _ P|U|L|S|T|E|R - Profi Organiser Psion Banaterweg 5, 69181 Leimen, Germany Tel 01805 - 785 783 Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax 01803 - 551 809 858 Web www.Pulster.de _ _ Jouw nieuws en entertainment, vind je op MSN.nl! http://nl.msn.com/___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS
Jisakiel wrote: Let's see if I understood correctly the concepts involved here, as I am still a little bit confused... - TTFF is when no almanac data is available. Unlike what's specified in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner , is not 40 seconds but 12 minutes (nosmall difference). - TTFF shouldn't happen almost never, given that mobile phone is always -but it's first boot *ever*- in normal state as defined here : http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Time_to_first_fix . Unless we have moved in a 100km radius without gps enabled, mobile phone does not have the correct time, we are in a car / train,and (dunnow if that's an AND or OR) no previous almanac available, fixes should be a lot quicker. As in, how much? - AGPS should make ¿everything? ¿TTFF only? by downloading a small data package. My questions, then: - AGPS can be served by the gsm network without data transfer costs? I mean: does it *need* to download it from the internet (with its GPRS associatedconnection and outrageous prices here in Spain), or is it transferred for free from the GSM operator? I understand this piece of information to be common toevery GPS phone, not just openmoko...? - In normal conditions a fix is quite quick (as in 2 or 3 seconds) and not too expensive in terms of battery or processing. Is that true? - If I get in a car fixes get slower unless I have gps constantly on (which should eat the battery fast). - Should I travel without network coverage (as in: by tube), when arrived at destiny fix will be slower. How much slower? Does AGPS help here? - Is it possible to get some triangulation info from the GSM towers the phone is connected to? Possible as in here's how on the openmoko, not as intheoretically ;), which I know that it is -my symbian phone does it, I remember some profile software which used that. - TTFF is time to first fix, and it does not only apply to when there is no almanac data (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_to_first_fix, you found the page but i think you didn't read it carefully) - TTFF happens every time you power on the gps module - AGPS decreases the TTFF time Your questions: - AGPS can NOT be served by the gsm network without data transfer costs. But you can also download it from your home network you can use AGPS online or offline. Take a look at the bottom of http://www.u-blox.com/technology/assistnow/ online: valid max 4hours, offline valid max 14days I am not sure if the offline can work in the freerunner (if it has EPROM it will work, otherwise maybe not, I can't find it in the wiki so I guess it has none) - normal conditions: take a look page 2 of http://www.u-blox.com/products/Product_Summaries/ATR0630_35_Chip_Prod_Summary(GPS.G4-X-07008).pdf - when you travel by tube i think you will get a fix very soon (If you had a fix before you entered the tube) - somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it has been implemented for the freerunner (yet) _ Probeer Live Search: de zoekmachine van de makers van MSN! http://www.live.com/?searchOnly=true ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
humor
Joseph Reeves wrote: It's a bit of a pain, but I'm convinced it will be worth it. I *really* want Openmoko to be at the top. *snip* , but don't vote just because I want my work emails to be really nice, vote for the good of Openmoko! I agree; right now almost nobody knows we exist, it would be good for OpenMoko. We're nine votes behind Windows Mobile... A short while ago sumstultussedesquoque posted http://xkcd.com/225/ I would expect a little bit more fighting spirit (or maybe the nunchuks are made out of Styrofoam?) y btw: my e-mails seem to suffor from delays also _ Download Messenger op je mobiel! http://www.windowslivemobile.msn.com/nl/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
InvisibleSHIELD UPDATE/QUESTION
Hi, i recieved a mail from Dan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Hi Yorick, I just received a call from DHL that they are waiting for something to clear customs. It looks like it is an Openmoko device. I appreciate your efforts with getting the device for us, but there is a fee for creating a Custom order invisibleSHIELD. However, if you or someone in your forum would like to sign up as a Reseller for our company, then you or they could get the invisibleSHIELD at a reduced cost. Plus, if the order is large enough and you or they continue to place orders for the invisibleSHIELD, I could have the custom order fee waived. Please let me know if you or someone in your forum would be interested in that. Warm regards, DAN THUESON Account Manager, Reseller Division ZAGG Inc. 3855 S 500 W STE J, SLC, UT 84115 801.263.0699 x103 (o) 801.263.1848(f) HOME OF THE invisibleSHIELD Nasdaq BB Symbol: ZAGG ZAGG.com Wolfgang Spraul confirmed this. So my question is: is someone willing to become a reseller for these screen and case protectors? It seemed to me that there was quite a bit of interest in it. I'll also mail this to Lucas Bonnet from Bearstech (where I have pre-ordered my Freerunner, and whom give good service) and Chris from Pulster.de/eu. I hope someone is willing to help us out. Quick reminder about the invisbleSHIELD: - protects screen or screen AND case - everybody that has it seems satisfied - free shipping worldwide - lifetime warranty - it's the bee's new and improved knees _ Jouw nieuws en entertainment, vind je op MSN.nl! http://nl.msn.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
InvisibleSHIELD UPDATE/QUESTION
arne anka wrote: - lifetime warranty i always wonder about these -- whose lifetime is it? if the device in question is defect it's dead, isn't it? Of course when the freerunner is defect they are not going to buy you a new freerunner. Otherwise people would jsut put an invisbleshield on everything: house, car, pets and themselves. From their site: The lifetime replacement guarantee is simply what it says. If your invisibleSHIELD™ ever becomes scratched, torn or damaged in any way while protecting your device, we will replace the invisibleSHIELD™ for free, for life. Q: What does the Replacement Policy NOT cover? A: Installation errors are not covered by the replacement policy. This includes bubbles under the invisibleSHIELD™ film, as well as incorrect alignment of the shield on your device. Please read the application instructions carefully before installing your invisibleSHIELD™. Please note that our liability does not extend beyond our product. source: http://www.zagg.com/support/guarantee.php _ Probeer Live Search: de zoekmachine van de makers van MSN! http://www.live.com/?searchOnly=true ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: InvisibleSHIELD UPDATE/QUESTION
arne anka wrote: - lifetime warranty i always wonder about these -- whose lifetime is it? if the device in question is defect it's dead, isn't it? Of course when the freerunner is defect they are not going to buy you a new freerunner. Otherwise people would jsut put an invisbleshield on everything: house, car, pets and themselves. From their site: The lifetime replacement guarantee is simply what it says. If your invisibleSHIELD™ ever becomes scratched, torn or damaged in any way while protecting your device, we will replace the invisibleSHIELD™ for free, for life. Q: What does the Replacement Policy NOT cover? A: Installation errors are not covered by the replacement policy. This includes bubbles under the invisibleSHIELD™ film, as well as incorrect alignment of the shield on your device. Please read the application instructions carefully before installing your invisibleSHIELD™. Please note that our liability does not extend beyond our product. source: http://www.zagg.com/support/guarantee.php (last part of my message was gone for some strange reason in my previous mail...) _ De leukste online filmpjes vind je op MSN Video! http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=nl-nl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko Community Repository
Sure, when my Freerunner arrives I'll lend you guys a hand. I'm not good enough to commit code, but simple testing doesn't seem to hard :) y _ Jouw nieuws en entertainment, vind je op MSN.nl! http://nl.msn.com/___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS
Marcus Bauer said: My experience with the Freerunner is ~12 minutes TTFF (time to first fix) without use of agps and ~4-8 minutes TTFF with agps from agps.u-blox.com using the software from openmoko. The Neo1973 (GTA01) had a TTFF without agps assistance of ~2 min. 12 minutes without AGPS and 4-8min with AGPS?? I hope there was a thunderstorm inside the basement where you tested this... :) Seriously, these just don't seem realistic. Compare them for example with some other devices from 2003: http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/ttffcomparisons.php. Or from ublox: http://www.u-blox.com/technology/assistnow/ (table at the bottom of the page) Surely there must be something wrong with your software/settings/hardware/environment... (or maybe they still have a lot of work to do on the GPS :)) y _ Download Messenger op je mobiel! http://www.windowslivemobile.msn.com/nl/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
bluetooth proximity
Tilman Baumann wrote: W. B. Kranendonk wrote: And, on a side note... How impact proof will the phone be, might she try throwing her spear? :-P The weakest link is the screen. :p With the invisible shield screen protector it should be as well protected as the leading edge of a helicopter blade :-). Devices with a screen protector could get a 1d6 defensive bonus :P. There would be some practical obstacles though, like walls (unless your spear-throwing arch nemesis can pierce walls or cars with her weapon). When in the open you could use maps to check if there is a normally unobstructed path between you two, but even than the freerunner can’t know if there are cars/waste bins that give you “protection”. Maybe you could overcome this obstacle by using a (usb) infrared receiver/emittor? Infrared won’t penetrate obstacles, so when hiding behind a corner you will be safe. I’m not a programmer, but I think it will be very easy: -insert a usb infrared receiver in the neo -hack/slash/throw/cast with a standard tv remote (assign attacks to different buttons on your remote, e.g. 1 is block, 2 is sword attack, 3 is spear, 4 is bow...) -Bluetooth can send the information about you and your stats (hp, armor, weapons, combat modifiers, active spells...) and your opponents freerunner will calculate the amount of damage you inflict with your chosen attack. It then sends that information through Bluetooth to your freerunner. And you can see what damage that you do and the hp the adversary has left. -When you have weapons that can overcome obstacles (railguns combined with x-ray vision, bazookas penetrating walls, you throw the grenade around the corner, use a tactical nuke….) or spells that don’t require your enemy to be in sight you can use the Bluetooth or GPS method. Another nice feature is that you can play your game inside a building, even when there is no GPS. LIRC is a package that allows you to decode and send infra-red signals of many (but not all) commonly used remote controls. http://www.lirc.org/ an IR dongle costs only a few dollar on e-bay hope you found this useful y ps: irda can also transmit, but it seemed safer/more practical to be swinging around and aiming with a remote than with a freerunner to me. But come to think of it, it would be handy when you attach the freerunner to your wrist in a way that the usb port points away when looking at the freerunner like you would when looking at your watch. That way you can easly aim, give input (touchscreen) and read the data. _ Probeer Live Search: de zoekmachine van de makers van MSN! http://www.live.com/?searchOnly=true___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[no subject]
Tilman Baumann wrote: W. B. Kranendonk wrote: And, on a side note... How impact proof will the phone be, might she try throwing her spear? :-P The weakest link is the screen. :p With the invisible shield screen protector it should be as well protected as the leading edge of a helicopter blade :-). Devices with a screen protector could get a 1d6 defensive bonus :P. There would be some practical obstacles though, like walls (unless your spear-throwing arch nemesis can pierce walls or cars with her weapon). When in the open you could use maps to check if there is a normally unobstructed path between you two, but even than the freerunner can’t know if there are cars/waste bins that give you “protection”. Maybe you could overcome this obstacle by using a (usb) infrared receiver? Infrared won’t penetrate obstacles, so when hiding behind a corner you will be safe. I’m not a programmer, but I think it will be very easy: -insert a usb infrared receiver in the neo -hack/slash/throw/cast with a standard tv remote (assign attacks to different buttons on your remote, e.g. 1 is block, 2 is sword attack, 3 is spear, 4 is bow...) -Bluetooth can send the information about you and your stats (hp, armor, weapons, combat modifiers, active spells...) and your opponents freerunner will calculate the amount of damage you inflict with your chosen attack. It then sends that information through Bluetooth to your freerunner. And you can see what damage that you do and the hp the adversary has left. -When you have weapons that can overcome obstacles (railguns combined with x-ray vision, bazookas penetrating walls, you throw the grenade around the corner, use a tactical nuke….) or spells that don’t require your enemy to be in sight you can use the Bluetooth or GPS method. Another nice feature is that you can play your game inside a building, even when there is no GPS. LIRC is a package that allows you to decode and send infra-red signals of many (but not all) commonly used remote controls. http://www.lirc.org/ an IR dongle costs only a few dollar on e-bay hope you found this useful y _ Download Messenger op je mobiel! http://www.windowslivemobile.msn.com/nl/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Invisible Shield
Hi, Steve, I sent you (and Michael Shiloh) a mail a week ago or so I think about this. Joerg said you two were the ones to contact. I also advised DAN THUESON (Account Manager, Reseller Division of zagg.com) to contact you both about this, but I do not know if he already did. He seemed very willing to make the custom protectors. Also note it isn't just about protecting the screen, but the whole device. The device doesn't have to work, have a battery or have al the electronics inside (except the screen of course). I would very much like to have these bee's knees :) y _ De leukste online filmpjes vind je op MSN Video! http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=nl-nl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Dual SIM?
this should do the trick: http://ucables.com/ref/2-SIMS-IN1 or http://ucables.com/ref/SIM-CLONE you still need the IMSI and Ki numbers, but those can be obtained (at least that is what i read a long while ago) but emulating would be much more fun :) y _ Probeer Live Search: de zoekmachine van de makers van MSN! http://www.live.com/?searchOnly=true___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Why not use forum?
+1 for forum _ Download Messenger op je mobiel! http://www.windowslivemobile.msn.com/nl/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko official resell partners
Can we get an estimate when the phones will reach the official resellers? _ Jouw nieuws en entertainment, vind je op MSN.nl! http://nl.msn.com/___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Click Feedback?
Won't the constant use of the vibrator decrease our FreeRunners expected lifetime? I don't really need a clicking sound, but the phone should be able to inform us with an audio signal that we are recieving a call/SMS, even when we are listening to music Michael, did you recieve my mail to send a sample FreeRunner to Zagg.com to make a full phone protection? It can be a non-working phone, or one with only the casing and the screen (without components inside). y _ De mooiste afbeeldingen van Angelina Jolie vind je met Live Search http://search.live.com/images/results.aspx?q=angelina%20jolieFORM=MIINTM___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
InvisibleShield screen protectors
I asked the company if they were willing to manufacture screen protectors for the Freerunner, this is an answer I got: Hello Yorick, Were you wanting us to provide you invisibleSHIELDs directly so that you could place them on your device before you sell them? Or would you like an invisibleSHIELD created for in case your customers would like the unparalleled protection? In either case, we would be happy to design an invisibleSHIELD for you. If you want the invisibleSHIELD to cover the Full Body of your Smartphone, we would need you to send us one of your devices so that we can take precise measurements and design the invisibleSHIELD to fit your smartphone the best. Please let me know if you have any questions. Warm regards, DAN THUESON Account Manager, Reseller Division ZAGG Inc. 3855 S 500 W STE J, SLC, UT 84115 801.263.0699 x103 (o) 801.263.1848(f) HOME OF THE Nasdaq BB Symbol: ZAGG ZAGG.com _ naturally it's option 2. But do we want full case protection? Personally I will probably settle with just screenprotection. But if there are people who want full protection, maybe we can persuade Steve (or someone else at Openmoko) to send a sample to their company? Does anybody know if the FreeRunner's case is adequatly scratch-resistant? (I'll post this question on the device-owner list) y _ Download Messenger op je mobiel! http://www.windowslivemobile.msn.com/nl/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
InvisibleShield screen protectors
I already offered them the CAD files... ___ Martin Šenkeřík said: I'll probably want full case protection, as I want FreeRunner to stay with me for more than one-two years as normal phones did :-) And it is not enough to offer them CAD files of device? ohin _ Download Messenger op je mobiel! http://www.windowslivemobile.msn.com/nl/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
InvisibleShield screen protectors
Hi, I only heard of them today, but they look very promissing: - life long warranty - free shipping worldwide You can find more info on http://www.zagg.com/ If you search the internet it seems almost nobody regrets having bought one. Are there other persons interested in buying one? (I already know of one) We could ask them to make one for the Freerunner. y _ De mooiste afbeeldingen van Angelina Jolie vind je met Live Search http://search.live.com/images/results.aspx?q=angelina%20jolieFORM=MIINTM___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS -- AGPS
** Matt said: http://people.openmoko.org/matt_hsu/ImplementationAssistNowServerAndClient(GPS.G4-SW-05017-C).pdf Cheers, Matt *** I get the impression there is only informtion to have AGPS working with an internet connection. I was under the impression that AGPS would be possible over the GSM-network. Will this be implemented or is it impossible? y _ De mooiste afbeeldingen van Angelina Jolie vind je met Live Search http://search.live.com/images/results.aspx?q=angelina%20jolieFORM=MIINTM___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS -- AGPS
** Matt said: http://people.openmoko.org/matt_hsu/ImplementationAssistNowServerAndClient(GPS.G4-SW-05017-C).pdf Cheers, Matt *** Scratch my previous question, I realise now that it was a stupid one :) _ Probeer Live Search: de zoekmachine van de makers van MSN! http://www.live.com/?searchOnly=true___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS -- AGPS
Hi, Maybe I missed somehting, but to my knowlegde the AGPS is not yet working on the Freerunner. Is there any work being done to get AGPS working? Does anybody have an idea if it will ever be implemented or not? And if it will be implemented, when will it be ready? y _ De mooiste afbeeldingen van Angelina Jolie vind je met Live Search http://search.live.com/images/results.aspx?q=angelina%20jolieFORM=MIINTM___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Headset Amp circuitry (jOERG)
There used to be a problem with this. AFIK jOERG mentionned it first in the devel list: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-March/001994.html Does anybody know if it has been resolved and/or if the mp3 playback quality can be compared with a standard mp3 player? Thanks y _ Jouw nieuws en entertainment, vind je op MSN.nl! http://nl.msn.com/___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
