Re: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button
> Well, that got my lock screen back! Thanks!! :D > > Aux still has no effect on ScummVM as near as I can tell, but I can't get > past the dumb intro screen so I don't know for sure... I need another > SCUMM > game. You should edit the script that launches scummvm and disable fullscreen mode. So, you can pop the keyboard and skip intros, pause the game or enter information. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button
> Is THAT how you quit games in ScummVM? I have no idea what F5 does in it, > but I haven't figured out how to quit games once I start them, short of > killing it from SSH. > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > It is THAT how we quit games in ScummVM and how we save and load progress (more importantly). F5 is the key to bring a menu for doing such kind of things, as well as configuring things (and it serves as pause too). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button
> Well, I was thinking more of a configurable action - either in > rules.yaml > (that covers some user cases) or by exposing the functionality in a known > way that allows apps to override the normal usage. > Also, there could be different uses depending on whether there is one > press, two presses or a long press. Maybe a long press could be used as a > screen lock - leaving the other two for context based use. AFAIK, scummvm overrides it so it makes an 'F5' pulsation. It ceased to work with 2008.08, but it works again in 2008.12, as I can see. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: iPhone howto
> I came across this nice video: > http://www.bikinirama.de/img/user/Videos/BIKINIRAMA_iPhone_011_3224.mov > > Have fun :-) > > Lothar > What was that about? I don't understand the narrator. The only thing that comes my mind is: JAILBREAKING. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
>> Sorry for you, hope you will be over it soon and up and running with a >> new one. >> >> For any ideas regarding this issue, please document them in the Wiki: >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Anti-Theft_Mode > > I think that someone who has stolen a FR will not be willing to use it as > a > phone and perhaps not even has the knowledge to make something useful > with it. Therefor I would insert a small offer in the case of the FR > saying "Call me at phone X and I will pay you Y on device return." > I do this as well with my FreeBSD based laptops. > > matthias I'd prefer to lose my FR rather than paying my robbers for something that is mine, and thus giving them an incentive to keep robbing. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
>> >> And when you think you've tracked down the thief and are close to him, >> send >> an sms to make it play some music really really loud, and go bang the >> thief >> on the head :) > > Sounds fun. I send the SMS, and suddenly a piercing siren goes off from > the > guy 10 feet away, so I tackle him and take back my phone. :D I like how > you > think. I don't like spoiling your fun, but the first thing the thief will do is turning off the device (if he can!). Otherwise, simply calling your phone would do the same effect. Next, he will change the SIM, of course. If he finds the phone useful in any way. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Handwriting (was Re: Dual touch display)
> Now that you bring it up, I'm wondering why we don't have such an input > method > yet. It would not need more space than the illume kb we have but would be > (at > least for human languages I think) much more intuitive than a finger kb > with > usable, but fairly small buttons. > Is handwriting recognition (fairly simple shapes, one could stick to block > letters) hard to do? > Qt Extended has it, works pretty well, and it is open source. Also, I think I have seem some handwriting input methods in opkg.org and in the wiki, but I haven't tried them. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] first impressions
> For some this image might be good > enough, I'm not there yet. It feels slow and still unreliable, I had a long time without using 2008.X (currently Qt Extended is my main stack), and I found 2008.12 sensible quicker, more responsive than 2008.9. Qtopia apps are the worst, and they seem still laggy. I dream them to be removed for paroli. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
> Sure. And if we go that way, why not use the proper way of setting a > link-local address? > * Pick a random address > * check that it is free (arp, ping,...) > * take it. > > That has a good chance of working, even for those who > routinely connect two phones to the same pc at the same time. > > Helge Hafting > I'm not sure to have fully understood you, but I like having the phone always on the same address. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
>> > Nearly every network I know uses 192.168.1.*, so the default is >> perfectly >> > fine... Although something like 192.168.64.* could be statistically >> more >> > failsafe. >> >> Actually in that case I would avoid all powers of two. A higher prime >> number, like 97, might be a good choice... > > I just typed some random numbers > 1 to get to the safer side... :) > And that's probably why this is not the best number: it should be the last to come in mind, not the first! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
> IME 192.168.1.* is the *second* most common address range for private > networks. I think in Spain nearly all ISP, distribute their routers for home users with the 192.168.1.* default. Until the Freerunner, I had never seen a 192.168.0.* network (or I don't remember). I suppose it's part of the cultural environment, like so many things. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
> Evgeny Karyakin wrote: > >>Dunno... First link propose a case suggesting iPhone look, I think >> we shouldn't follow everything Apple come out with, and I second to >> pill case. When I first saw GTA02 look, I thought it's ugly, but that >> was just because it's unusual; now I like it and like a bottom hole >> around antenna. > > The hole is important. You can tie the phone to a string. And it is > easier for the do-it-yourselfers to make brackets for car/bicycle use. Furthermore, the hole has become, in my opinion, a symbol of the phone. A powerful image. I think it could be powered as a distinctive trait in marketing. > [About keyboard] All that you said makes a lot of sense to me. Also, I haven't missed a physical keyboard on the freerunner, if anyone cares. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Margo Koppelmann > wrote: >> But how do I use it? Do I have to first put a condom on my Freerunner? > > Good question. I'm not sure whether the included pouch is safe enough. > Of course, not. The latex is the best material for shrouding everything that would go inside your body, except for latex-allergics. If you are going to inser something on your body that is not specifically designed for that, condoms are the best choice to avoid infections. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: OpenVibe is out
>> With this software you can control the vibration of the FreeRunner for >> give pleasure to your girlfriend. > > It's better than some SPAM emails I get :-) But raises me a doubt. I think there are a few girls that own the Freerunner, and I suppose not all of them have girlfriends, but could be interested anyway. On the other hand, a few men without girlfriend can find the application equally pleasant. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
> Hey... it says "open-source" (you can read the code) not "free software" > (you can do whatever you want)... I don't know why when some people read "open-source" they understand "open to read" but not "open to modify". Android is released under Apache License version 2, which is considered free software by the FSF, and even compatible with GPLv3 [1]. > And for the code itself... > > http://source.android.com/license/individual-contributor-license---android-open-source-project > > You have to grant your copyright to Google... > > I don't want to work non-paid for Google. But please do ! ;) I think that is for contributors, that is, if you want your changes to be merged into Google's Android, you must grant your copyright to Google. This clause let Google do relicensing, and it is not uncommon on other free software projects, such as the GNU project. [1] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: looking for a mentor
> So I'm asking if someone from openmoko is intersted to mentor me. > Feel free to ask me any questions, this afternoon I'll be able to join > the #openmoko chan. Sorry for the indiscretion, but what 'afternoon' means on a list whose members live on any place around the world? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...
> Disappointed that it doesn't wake up from suspend on an incoming call - > but > we can't have everything, can we? We can't. But I think this feature is essential! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Raster+FSO] Some issues
>> No. That's not my problem. When I press the applet, it shows a nice window, and then you can select wifi, lan, etc. But inside the window you >> can't see the networks. Then, I press "Select Network" or something similar, and the window disappears. > > eh? u... what applet? the wifi signal meter in illume wont react to a press > or run anything... you are pressing on something else! :) You're right. I'm sorry. It was Network Manager. > oh no blame taken! just letting you know that i can't just jum in and address > issues t the drop of a hat :) I understand that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Fwd: Re: [Raster+FSO] Some issues]
For some unknown reason, my mail client usually select the list as destinatary when replying, but sometimes it selects the original sender. I didn't notice that I was having this conversation "on private" with raster. With his permission, I forward it FYI. Mensaje original Asunto: Re: [Raster+FSO] Some issues De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Jue, 9 de Octubre de 2008, 1:06 pm Para: "Carsten Haitzler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- > slight problem - never meant to make the illume image a "usable phone" far > from > it - it's n ultra-minimal "raw desktop only" image where i can/will > configure e > +illume how it really was meant to be used/configured. :) It's ok, raster. I had realized that. This mail is not only for you, but for the commnunity who is willing to use your image a "usable phone" ;) > well sound does - this is a zhone issue specifically - alarm sound works > doesn't it? :) so sound works. just some apps don't. Yeah. I think something more has to be installed, but I have no idea. Perhaps someone manage to get it working. >> 2 Sometimes, the illume controls just dissapear, and I can only access >> to >> zhone. You can still see a tiny (one pixel height, I think) noisy band >> up, >> but can't do anything with it. Restarting X doesn't work, neither >> rebooting the phone. The only solution I have found is to delete .e/e >> directory, but I lose all the configuration (and doesn't last for long). > i have never seen this. bizarre. unfortunately - until i see it - it's > hard to > debug. it doesn't ring any bells as to what it could be. I have to send a picture, but I can't right now. If that helps, first time it happened to me was when I was trying to set other theme than the default. When changing, it got to that state. The other times is after a reboot. Maybe there's a better way to shutdown e than calling 'poweroff'. >> 3 Wifi gadget doesn't work at all. > > all it does is open the netlink socket and ask the kernel for signal > strength > of the first wifi dev it finds (fr only has 1)- it does work. i'm staring > at it > right now. the problem you may see is it's always "100%" and this is a > driver > problem. already reported in trac: > No. That's not my problem. When I press the applet, it shows a nice window, and then you can select wifi, lan, etc. But inside the window you can't see the networks. Then, I press "Select Network" or something similar, and the window disappears. > i know. the wallpaper dialog is useless on the screen res there. intend to > redo the e dialog so not only does it work on desktop but looks great on > tiny > touchscreens. i just haven't gotten there - been busy with other things. > no > one's paying for this stuff - but they are for other things... so > priorities > first. btw the error you get is just that i didn't include edje-utils in > the > image :) again - when i get to fixing the dialogs of course that'd get get > added :) Ok. Now I know that it was not intended to work ;) >> 6 The alarm doesn't power on the phone, so I'm arriving late at work. > > i know! :) related to the above i think too as well as a bug in waker code > i > have fixed locally - but also i think because of some rtc issues. Ok. I have just remembered that yesterday, when I powered on the phone, the alarm started to sound. But the alarm "window" was absolutely blank, so I had to open a terminal, look for the process and kill it. Today it didn't start, but I think that's because issue 2. > it all depends on application categories. a lot just don't have any or > don't > have any in the applications.menu file list. i have not even tried to > fix/change this. this is the same one FSO ships. Ok. I'll look it. > my focus is on a container for other things i'm doing and bit by bit > polish up > pieces and make it better - illume, e17, theme, etc. etc. > And I think everybody in the community is thankful for that. Just in case, I wasn't trying to blame you for each thing that doesn't work on my phone :) Thanks for your responses. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: omview is cool!
> Thanks a lot, nice to hear that. I really took care to make the > program simply work without fiddling, and it's good to hear this is > appreciated. > And yes it does not much, show images. 1:1 zoom on click. That's all. > No hidden features (Ok aside from raw file support - I'm propably the > only one using that). > > hendrik > May I suggest to let the .dirs to be hidden somehow? If you have a lot of applications and you want to navigate through your home it can take a lot of time. Apart from that, really cool! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Raster+FSO] Some issues
Hello. I have recently installed the new Raster's image, and I was surprised of how beautiful it is, and how well 3D effects work. I want to congratulate rasterman for his work. I decided to give FSO a try, so I installed frameworkd and zhone. Unfortunately, I also have a lot of issues with it (making the phone unusable). I'll try to enumerate: 1 Sound doesn't work well. This is being covered in other mails, so I won't extend here. After installing oss packages, some applications managed to get sound working, but not the calls or ringtones. 2 Sometimes, the illume controls just dissapear, and I can only access to zhone. You can still see a tiny (one pixel height, I think) noisy band up, but can't do anything with it. Restarting X doesn't work, neither rebooting the phone. The only solution I have found is to delete .e/e directory, but I lose all the configuration (and doesn't last for long). 3 Wifi gadget doesn't work at all. 4 I can't set a wallpaper. When you select a image, e says you that the wallpaper can't be set because of a conversion error, and then, that file .e/e/fileman/favorites (or something similar) can't be found. I'm very sorry for not giving you the exact error, but I can't test it right now as I have no illume controls (view 2). 5 Wake up doesn't work. Anytime the phone suspend, I have to turn it off and on again. It seems to poweroff well, so I think the problem is with the screen which doesn't turn on. Only once, I have met the infamous WSOD (first time since I have the phone). 6 The alarm doesn't power on the phone, so I'm arriving late at work. 7 Some application launchers don't appear in the Home menu. At least, the one of the "Battle for Wesnoth" package, that used to appear on 2008.X . I think that's all by now. I hope this report help finding bugs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
>> Paroli? We need more info about this > > I am in the dark as much as you are... > > Minh > Seems to be a contacts+phone+messages framework implemented in Python, as far as I have found. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] settings via shell?
[sorry Mathias for sending it only to you before. In my mail client with this list, sometimes "reply" put the list as destinatary, and other put the senders.] > is there a way to control these 'settings' values from the shell in the > FR? > > thx > I don't know how, but if you install illume-config-illume you can edit the settings more accurately than the default settings program. Please, search "illume-config-illume" for instructions on how to install. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] settings via shell?
> is there a way to control these 'settings' values from the shell in the > FR? > > thx > I don't know how, but if you install illume-config-illume you can edit the settings more accurately than the default settings program. Please, search "illume-config-illume" for instructions on how to install. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM 2008.9] Keyboard discussion
> I cant remember ever seeing an answer though it used to be asked a lot - > but how can you turn off the predictive altogether? It totally > frustrating to use for what I do - its so slow and takes too many key > strokes to do even anything simple ... > > BillK > Are you talking about raster's keyboard? I use it on terminal mode the majority of the time. If you talk about Qtopia keyboard, you have to install another keyboard and "Add the line export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 into the file /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia" or "...80Qtopia", I don't remember. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM 2008.9] Keyboard discussion
> The more I use my FR the less I like the current input methods. Raster's > keyboard is a great improvement but still hardly useful if you're typing > in a language other then english (e.g. swiss german). Did you know you can copy the /usr/share/dict/ files from your PC to your FR, and then you can select this dictionary's on raster's keyboard? So, if you have GNU/Linux on your desktop system and it is translated, you can have keyboard working with your language. If not, I think it wouldn't be very difficult to find those dictionaries. > P.S. Why can't the default openmoko images not provide "descent" alsa > state files? I have asked this question a lot (to myself, though :þ ). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: kobodeluxe - how do you quit? [aux button]
> > Thought that would be the answer :( > > An idea would be a config dialog to repurpose the aux button. I dont > use the lock function (the button sucks as a regular use button anyway) > and could perhaps be used to kill the top application in the viewing > stack as 2007.2 power button did. Its not only kobo which has problems > like this as a couple of times I have had a unresponsive display > probably caused by dialogs not on top. > > BillK I don't know if that would be possible but I'd love that AUX+click served as right click (or any other way to trigger right clicks). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New to Freerunner!!
>> 4) A good music player, web browser and PDF reader. > > I can't help on that one. I toyed with the available media players and > web > browsers several weeks ago and that was all. I like minimo as a web browser. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Font scaling for illume keyboard?
> http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg > http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg > http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg This is awesom! But, does it runs as fast on the phone? It has so many (nice) effects! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Font scaling for illume keyboard?
I'm such an idiot. Forget what I said. >> After my iPhone-bearing friends kept telling me the keyboard was too >> small, > > Which keyboard are you using. I don't find default qtopia keyboard too > small. You know that, as it is predictive, you don't have to have a lot of > precission, right? > > Any keyboard is small comparing to the iPhone's. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Font scaling for illume keyboard?
> After my iPhone-bearing friends kept telling me the keyboard was too > small, Which keyboard are you using. I don't find default qtopia keyboard too small. You know that, as it is predictive, you don't have to have a lot of precission, right? Any keyboard is small comparing to the iPhone's. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR as a USB-Key
> Hi, > > is it possible to make the FreeRunner act like a regular media storage > device ? The inherent question is how to specify which file or partition > would be mapped to this simulated device. I thought that no, but it seems the opposite: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_the_Neo_as_a_Mass_storage_device (there you find also how to configure the partition. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Suspending questions
> I think it's related to the screen blanking (maybe it's not actually > falling asleep, just blanking the screen) - but I haven't tested > thoroughly yet. > If you have illume-config-illume installed, try setting a larger suspend time and see if after the screen blanks, you can touch it to light it again. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phone java apps on fr?
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:01:13 +0200 (CEST) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (FOGO) wrote: fogo? > Yes, i have read this. Unfortunately i am not a programmer to be able > to give a hand so i will only hope quietly this gets done one day, > after all the other issues have been nailed out... > > thank you anyways > Petr > I was not suggesting that you should do it. I only was pointing that I think it would still require time. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phone java apps on fr?
> how can i run java applications from other mobile phones on fr? Is it > what is called JavaME? Is this available for fr? I have looked at > jalimo and around but no clarity for me... > > thank you for pointing into the right direction, I think a lot of work must still be done. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java#Status_on_Openmoko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo FreeRunner / Om 2008 - 8: WLAN problem
Does this[1] work? [1]http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi#Using_the_GUI_on_2008.8 " After connecting using the GUI, you may also need to run "udhcpc eth0" manually in the terminal to get DNS entries added to your resolv.conf. You may also need to run "ifdown usb0" to remove the routing issue caused by having both interfaces up at the same time. " > Hi, > > I have always the problem, when WLAN starts, that I do not get > configured /etc/resolv.conf automatically. > > Are there any tips around that helps this problem to get fixed ? > > Thanks, Lothar > > -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de > Lothar Behrens > Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 > 73252 Lenningen > > > > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distro nightmares ... can fdom help?
Well, you chose the hard way. The easy one was buying a Nokia or even an iPhone. But you wanted a free phone and this is what you get. I think you find the hard way much harder that you thought. So do I, but I can stand with it. I use the phone daily, and I also have had to deal with distro nightmare, with echo problems, gps problems, SD card problems, volume and usage problems,... But the software evolves quite quickly, and the community is enthusiastic and helps a lot. I definitely wouldn't buy a Freerunner for, say, my sister. At least, today. But seeing how it is evolving and growing I hope that, with my help (bug reports, ideas, explanations,...) and those of the community, someday I could. Don't desperate. PS- The vast majority of your question have been already answered on the lists and on the wiki. I know the distributions should include the corrections, but I think you have to be patient for it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.08] Desktop drawer submenu subdirectory
> I'd like something like this too. Maybe you could open a trac ticket > filling this feature request! But those tickets are only for bugs, aren't them? Where is the place to put feature requests? Anyway, I wanted to know if there was already a way to do that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner on the Bike
A photo with your FreeRunner in you bike would have been cool. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIDplay on openmoko?
> Is it complicated to cross-compile such a program for the openmoko? That's relative. Check by yourself: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.08] Desktop drawer submenu subdirectory
> Have you tried the Slider view under Illume menu > Configuration (Spanner) > > > Launcher > Display Type? It categorizes applications and displays one > icon > for each category. You can slide horizontally across different > applications > in each category. Nice idea, but implementation is sub-optimal. You > can't > see all applications at once, and end up invoking the wrong ones. I didn't know that view. But I have the same feelings about it than you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Om2008.08] Desktop drawer submenu subdirectory
Hi everybody. I have installed openmoko-games and I enjoy some of them very much. But now my desktop have too much icons to be practical. It would be useful to have subdirectories on the main menu. So if I want to play a game, I go to games and then there are all the games. I have tried (and failed) the following aproachs: 1- Make a directory in /usr/share/applications and copy the .desktop files inside. Result: the subdirectory doesn't appear, but the launchers inside do. 2- Make a directory launcher in the same place, and put the .desktop files inside the directory pointed. Result: the directory launch does not appear. Any idea? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Desktop drawer/submenu/subdirectory
Hi everybody. I have installed openmoko-games and I enjoy some of them very much. But now my desktop have too much icons to be practical. It would be useful to have subdirectories on the main menu. So if I want to play a game, I go to games and then there are all the games. I have tried (and failed) the following aproachs: 1- Make a directory in /usr/share/applications and copy the .desktop files inside. Result: the subdirectory doesn't appear, but the launchers inside do. 2- Make a directory launcher in the same place, and put the .desktop files inside the directory pointed. Result: the directory launch does not appear. Any idea? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008.08: shy illume's keyboard [SOLVED]
>> >> illume-config-illume can be found in the "testing" repository >> http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/ > > I fear I have not explained myself very well. > http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/all/illume-config-illume* > non longer exists. It used to, but now I can't find it. > > illume-keyboard* still exists, so I'm going to try reinstalling them. > > Reinstalling all illume-keyboard* has worked. Not sure about what happened. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia on Freerunner: Firsts steps of a newbee
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Anyway, from where have you got this information? >> >>>From the fact that only files in /media/card are shown in the media >> player. I think it's called "try and error" in english. > > I see. But have you also got these strange Input/output errors when > you display the contents of this folder in a shell? Only two of > several files (or maybe folders?) are readable on my system. > No, I hadn't. I think that has nothing to do with Qtopia. I think you should try to reformat your card. Where have you installed Qtopia? I did it in my card. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008.08: shy illume's keyboard
> > illume-config-illume can be found in the "testing" repository > http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/ I fear I have not explained myself very well. http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/all/illume-config-illume* non longer exists. It used to, but now I can't find it. illume-keyboard* still exists, so I'm going to try reinstalling them. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Om2008.08: shy illume's keyboard
I had installed the 08/30 image. Today I have updated from repositories the phone (community and zecke's repo). Later, I added amgstrong repository and installed pidgin. What I find now is that the illume keyboard doesn't show. I can only see the dictionary button. I can't write with it. What is worst. I have tried to reinstall illume-config-illume, but the package is missing, I don't know where it is reubicated. Now, the only option I have is to reenable qtopia keyboard :( Any help? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Several stacks on one card
> Something I noticed is that these partitions have to be in the beginning > of the SD card. > I wasn't able to boot from partitions starting at the 7GB mark. I expect not to have done it bad, since I partitioned : 1 boot partition 1 2 rootfs partition 1 3 boot partition 2 4 rootfs partition 2 Anyway, we're still at time for repartitioning. > Anyway, I used this u-boot menu on the NAND: [...] That's usefule! Thank you, I will use that to get an idea of what I have to write. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Several stacks on one card
> > Everything is explained on the wiki (partitionning, u-boot entries, ...) > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD > > Hope this helps > Sure. Sorry for asking something that is on the wiki. First time I read this page I was a bit confused. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia on Freerunner: Firsts steps of a newbee
>> Anyway, from where have you got this information? >From the fact that only files in /media/card are shown in the media player. I think it's called "try and error" in english. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia on Freerunner: Firsts steps of a newbee
I only can answer a pair of questions. >How to get suspend working? Suspend did work for me. > Where to store music files so that the > media player recognizes them? /media/card . For me, that was the kernel partition, so I had little space to store songs. I suppose this could be solved editing /etc/fstab. Anyway, I think many of these topics should be addressed at Qtopia site. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Several stacks on one card
> > It should be possible by doing the partitioning yourself, and then > configuring the uboot enviroment to your liking. For each uboot menu > entry, you can decide where the kernel should be loaded from, and what > partition the kernel should use as the root partition. This gives you > all options, I think. > It seems so. I wasn't very clear about uboot. Many thanks! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Several stacks on one card
Hello, I am going to buy a new microSD card. I want to install Debian, Qtopia and whatever other image appeals me. Is it possible to make a dual-boot in the card? Something like first a selecting if you boot the flash or the card, and later wich partition in the card you boot. Have I explained me? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out ofpower
> Does anyone know WHY it don't charge when it is off? > My logic says that it is very important to have the option charge the > battery when it is flat. Of course it is, but it's a hardware bug: " Make sure that the battery never discharges completely. This is an issue because the internal charging circuitry can not be turned on until the FreeRunner has booted, and booting through USB power alone does not work. (If you have the newest kernel images, you should be safe due to a software fix.) " http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NjuBee - questions
> [...] >> Sure. First of all, be patient. We will need a lot. A second one is that >> if you need a fully functional phone, try installing Qtopia. It is much >> slower > > Slower? Not in my experience... Apps seem to start faster. Faster! Much faster! Shame on me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NjuBee - questions
> At first, after the first outbursts of joy, some frustration started to > creep in. Although I knew that fr was not really ready I find it somehow > embarassing to see how many of the standard features of a standard phone > do not work. You should have known what you were buying. But I don't blame you, neither had I. > - Sound: How do I adjust the speaker volume? Currently it blows my ears > into oblivion when it is too close to my head. I think you can edit the files on /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios for more permanent changes. You should also fix them if your callers experience echo or you have other problems. > - Whenever I have to plug out the battery for one of the various reasons > like total freezes of the fr then the clock sets to 0:40 or something If you have no power, the clock don't work. My FR got retarded 2 hours every time I remove the battery. > Any usefull suggestions? Sure. First of all, be patient. We will need a lot. A second one is that if you need a fully functional phone, try installing Qtopia. It is much slower and much stable than Om2008.08, and you can do all the things you are asking, I think. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: illume-config-illume on 2008.8-updates
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:20:45 -0600 -stacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> babbled: >> >>> David Samblas wrote: El lun, 01-09-2008 a las 11:35 -0600, -stacy escribió: > what am I missing? go to the illume configuration select keyboard and change none to default >>> Already done. With QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 and illume configured >>> keyboard set to none, there is no keyboard at all, I get a keyboard, >>> just that it only has Default and Numbers layout, no Terminal (full >>> qwerty). >> >> install the illume-keyboard-terminal package :) they are all recommended >> ones >> for illume. >> > > Quoted from my original message: >> # opkg list_installed | grep illume >> illume - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - >> illume-config - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - >> illume-config-illume - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - >> illume-dicts-default - 0.0+svnr217-r12 - >> illume-dicts-english-us - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - >> illume-keyboards-default - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - >> illume-keyboards-numbers - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - >> illume-keyboards-terminal - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - >> illume-theme-freesmartphone - >> 0.0+gitr5cdedae0e45911ef10f6966587e7f3e842b5d2bd-r0 - > > since there was only a couple illume packages not installed (and I seem > to be down to the shooting in the dark method of debugging) I tried: > > # opkg -force-overwrite install illume-config-asu > # rm -rf ~/.e/e/config/illume > # reboot > > no change... so I tried > > # opkg install illume-theme-asu > Installing illume-theme-asu (0.0+svnr35693-r7) to root... > Collected errors: > * ERROR: The following packages conflict with illume-theme-asu: > * illume-config * > > hmmm... guess I won't force that. > > > Do I have to reflash this thing just to get a working keyboard? > > -stacy No, as I have managed to do without. Have you editted the /etc/init.d/89qtopia (or maybe other number) for saying qtopia not to start the keyboard? Anyway. Try stopping first the xserver ( /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop ), then delete the ~/.e/e/config/illume and then start. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freeze: Any other way than unplug the battery?
>> I am having a lot of freezes and the only solution so far has been to >> unplug the battery. Is there any other way I should be aware of? > > you could try (if you didn't already) to hold pwr until the device > reboots. > That has never worked for me. I am afraid to harm the battery or the phone plugging and unplugging the battery so many times. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 update: Wrench doesn't appear even withillume-configinstalled
> No offense intended, but are you looking for it in the right place? ;) > By default (unless you've used illume-config itself to change it) it > appears in the top-left corner only once the tray has been opened, is > hidden normally. (this threw me at first, when I'd upgraded from 2007 > and enabled it per the wiki) > > j > I have had openned the tray, and I have had tapped every pixel in the upper row, since nothing is shown. And it didn't work :( But of course I can't be offended by someone who is trying to help me :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 update: Wrench doesn't appear even with illume-configinstalled
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:08:13 +0200 "Yorick Moko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > babbled: > >> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 2:03 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Since the first update of 2008.8, I cannot get the wrench for >> configuring >> > illume. I have installed illume-config, as the wiki said, but the >> wrench >> > does not appear. I have searched and all articles say that installing >> > illume-config is all that I have to do. >> > >> > I installed 080830 update, and got the same problem. Am I missing >> anything? >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Openmoko community mailing list >> > community@lists.openmoko.org >> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > >> >> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1863 > > rm -rf ~/.e/e/config/illume (wipe your old one - if u had one) > I did that, but wrench didn't appear even after rebooting :-( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 update: Wrench doesn't appear even with illume-configinstalled
> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1863 > :-( > Oh, I'm very sorry, but I didn't find that. And the wiki has those intructions to get the wrench on screen. Isn't there a way to call the configuration program from terminal? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2008.8 update: Wrench doesn't appear even with illume-config installed
Since the first update of 2008.8, I cannot get the wrench for configuring illume. I have installed illume-config, as the wiki said, but the wrench does not appear. I have searched and all articles say that installing illume-config is all that I have to do. I installed 080830 update, and got the same problem. Am I missing anything? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No suspend since last update
> I get the exact same thing. Flashed today's image too. A large 'X' pops up > and the phone suspends after a few seconds. I have the same problem. But I have noticed that when I wake up the phone, it begins with a black screen. If the screen is touched, the desktop is shown, and then the phone will suspend in few seconds. But if you let the screen alone, the phone won't suspend and you can work with the phone (ie: via ssh). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
How could you make distinction about that? Should the client check a box for saying they are enthusiast? I think that, since it seems that Qtopia has some problems too, the FR should come with their branded software, the one that is intended to be used in the future. The product is not readied for normal consumer, and I think that normal consumer are not buying it anyway. IMHO, of course. And calling you anormal was not my intention, of course. > Is 'next batch of Freerunners' referring to further units destined for > developers and enthusiasts, or units targeting consumers? > > For the former: I'd think OM2008.08, 'opkg upgrade'd past a few > irritations, with developer-friendly keyboard (g) and Terminal. These > people should easily be up to the task of flashing to whatever they wish, > though a tool (ncurses and gui lin/win) to manage flashing, store and > index > possibly multiple backups, etc would be handy. > > For the latter: Qtopia, with a one-click 'installer' on CD or thumbdrive > that lets user backup flash to desktop, flash OM2008.08 from media, look > for newest OS images on net, etc. If OM2008.08 has acquired a bit more > maturity, I'd consider it for consumers, with Qtopia being the default > interface the user sees, but not just Qtopia apps accessible in the > installer. > > j > > On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:00:48 -0700, Steve Mosher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> That was actually an option we considered. >> >> Michele Renda wrote: >>> >>> Ship with nothing and everyone put what want >>> >>> So nobody can say it is not a complete software :) >>> >>> >>> steve wrote: Good question. Here are the options. 1. Ship with 2007.2. Basicaly a dialer that works. bare bones phone. 2. Ship with Qtopia. A solid full featured smart phone. 3. Ship with OM2008.8 An alpha release of our future phone. discuss. >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Charles >> Pax *Sent:* Friday, August 08, 2008 12:24 PM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release Will this be shipping with the next batch of Freerunners? -Charles >> > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
>> http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=16138 > > poses the question where to put when you don't need it. a little regular > stylus (i i use those for nintendo ds after some sharpening/shortening) > can be put in your pocket w/o much harm, but that thing looks a bit bulky. > I think this is more about being cool than being practical. It reminds me some heavy metal/emo artifact like this: http://www.elcallejondelinfierno.com/images/categories/garra%20cruz%20malta.jpg (I think it could also work). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
