Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy
> And is OM wants to sell phones to other people than Ken Tompson and other > geeks, they will need a nice UI. I've seen a statement somewhere on the OM > site that they hoped GTA2 would be bought by our parents... These are people > who would happily invest some electricity in the rendering of a UI. So I > think it's in everyones interest that OM is standard supplied with a nice UI. > That would make the OM profitable and only than they will be able to make > GTA3 to GTAxx. Geeks who don't need/want the nice UI can always switch it > off. That's the beauty of Linux. Just press CTRL-AT-F1 and you're rid of > KDE/GNOME/Fluxbox... I don't think it would be any harder on the OM. Yop, of course but : if for ui's sake OM must go for qvga instead of vga and limit possible rendering because of the necessity to add some fancy stuff, that is not the same result. Is it ctr+alt+F12 that convert a qvga screen in plain vga ? And the compiz stuff on a qvga screen : i really would like to see some videos of it. I do have gp2x because it's open : terminal stuff is not that user-good-expérience. hervé ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy
> Yeah, because only apple can make anything useful - seriously get a grip. > ah ah ah so get an i-foo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)
Wolfgang Spraul wrote: Dear Hervé, here is my perspective: >[...;] Most chip vendors see their business in selling chips. Documentation is engineers can. Again we could only do this with vendors who understand what we are doing, trust us, and generally agree to the idea. We would That is exactly the meaning of my "fair". If vendors fully agrees with what is decided, i'm fully happy with that. I understand manufacture world is not wonderland, what i was saying is "free world must do what he is _supposed_ doing", not finding ways around. If the vendor agrees about letting someone(s) use the nda "under the responsibility of om" i am fully satisfied with it and i fully support that fact as a "middle of the river position". openmokko is really a great project that would show the world that openness is a real possibility not only a sweet dream. i always by open products, even if could do without it (for exemple gp2x, and down om hervé ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)
Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: I think it would be the best way... And why is it not fair? He would be a "real" part of the project. What's wrong with that? Well, why not. i'm not concerned. just to be asked to the chip vendor. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)
I bet if you could name such a device, they would have no problem in using it for future products. I bet that if my incomes would exclusively depend on producing such a device, i would use time to search for it. Everything i do, or sale, depends on free software (even for drivers), even if that means less features and less velocity. As i am "just" a customer and latter on, maybe, a contributor as il would develop and give the community my work, and do want to lose time on that. i know that it is not easy to find 'open' chips, but if open company 'buy' closed chips there will not be 'open' chips at all. It's a shame that project like olpc use that new low-consuming-close-source-wifi-chip without able to obtain open specs for it : they'll manufacture a large number of it. How could someone ask the chip vendor to open there specs if even in "free-world" people use them "as is". [this is the same with the broadcom chip on freebox(c) ] But in free-world we must be "fair" and do what we says _always_ hervé ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)
what if you become part of openmoko? Just sign some kind of work contract (like other freelancers had and still have with openmoko), but with only USD 1 in return for your work, adding a clause that you keep the copyright on your work? This way you are legally part of openmoko, have access to the docs, and can work on the code. I don't think it's fair. the world of free software should be a world of truthfulness and this "way" is not. They don't want their specs to run out the world, so let's keep these specs on the shelve. Let's the 'market' decide : - If it come a chip with better package [hard+spec] for gta03, too bad for Glamo and they will not be in gta03. - if the users don't like freerunner because there is no cool 3D stuff, freerunner won't be sold that much and they wont sell to much chips. the long term war vs closed sources specs is not to use them : no specs, no cool feature, bad product, product gonna die. it is irrelevant to spare time to develop driver for a product when the owner don't want a driver to be develop. Let's concentrate on another open field, ready to switch to a more open chips. hervé ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity
And I really like that speeding ticket analogy. This tax that assumes guilt is insane. I don't understand how modern democratic justice systems can tolerate it. Well, modern democratic justice is money, but that's another war. ;-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko will be at SVHMPC meeting TONIGHT in Menlo Park
Michael Shiloh wrote: Good question, Jeffrey, and you suggest a question that I'd like to ask you, the community: Why do you chose to develop on OpenMoko, rather than on Android? Or do you do both? (Beside the lack of Android hardware) Michael - OpenMoko is not only software, it's human being working on a hardware + firmware + software. Android or qtopia appears to me as "piece of software" for telephony while openmoko and neo1973 seems to be more "close one another". - It Seems to be more human-sized that google. - I hate java :-) - I prefers c to c++ ;-) - it is a debian spirit. - I really appreciated gpl (and less asl) - it was first discovered (more than 1 year) - Google begins to be "to much" (tomorrow's microsoft) I do for nokia N810 too. hervé ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power Management on Neo1973
Robin Paulson wrote: On 10/01/2008, Maciej Kaniewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What you CAN NOT expect yet reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI integrated GPRS data access bluetooth integration (basic bluez driver works) proper power management (i.e. no reasonable battery life yet) ringtone (or other) profile management network preferences (call deflection, manual operator selection, ...) a complete application framework where third party application developers can write apps that easily integrate with the OpenMoko world As far as i know you had to agree with that when you bought the phone the word 'yet' is very telling. it strongly implies it will be there at some point. if it's a hardware bug, it'll never be fixed I agree with that. The feeling i had when i read what was said on the page was : the firmware and software are not ready but the hardware is. If not the wording should have been : " What you CAN NOT expect". I postponed buying the neo, because the things i would do with it will include networking (wifi) and i would really like to play with 'accelerometers'. But reading the presentation i was sure that hardware was, for that version "usable". i have some fears to buy gta2 that would be the "hardware test for gta03 -the_real_version) or maybe gta04 ? Hervé ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New To the list
Richard Bennett wrote: On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:18:15 +0100, flexd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I believe it's called a Neo1973, not Treo. oops, yes, it is common error i make : neo1973 is the name. Thanks all for the answer. i will wait for the new hardware revision, because i can flash firmware, (but i would need the enhance pack right ?), can make user apps, but can't do soldering on the phone (hands full of big fingers). I'll have to hack with the emulator. ;-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New To the list
Hello, I'am new to the list and would like to say hello. We plan to use treo1973 in a global solution computer AllInOne Touch screen (linux of course) + Nokia N810 + Treo1973. (all with wifi - treo1973 public version is said to be wifi equiped) (and perhaps gp2X F200) We would tailored version of the pack for specified activities with some soft to 'glue' all. Is there a release date for the public version of the phone ? hervé ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
