Re: Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 ? Results
Hi Nikolaus, The cheapest UMTS Android 2.2 device I can currently get in Germany is at 129 EUR (most likely from some overstock clearance). Has a 320x240 display, no sensors, no free and open software. No hardware description, no schematics. Appears to be crap and much less featured than the GTA04. But the poll result indicates this is the way we should go. Really? I need to correct you in this case: The cheapest UMTS-Abdroid is the Huawei Ideos X3 if I did not miss anything. It comes with Gingerbread 2.3, GPS, Sensors (see http://www.inside-handy.de/handys/huawei_u8510-ideos-x3/2432_allgemein.html) for a price of 100 EUR. Of course it is absolutely not open and in my opinion the GTA04 does not compete against it, but still it is a very usable phone for little money. However it is clear, that you will never be able to compete against those prices unless you build a far bigger number of phones. The most people who seriously consider buying a GTA04 will probably spend more money if the get all the extra features. The GTA04 is not and will never be a mass market product:. -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Since it seems so hard to have a custom made case, why not use an existing case for a HTC, nokia, iphone or the like? (or a chinese replica) The layout of the PCB needs to be alltered ofcourse, but it seems that it might be an easier thing to do. Then, however you have the same problem as with reusing the Freerunner's case: You need to use the same display as used for the parent' device. If you want a custom display you will have to create a new case, too. -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: let's launch a FR into space
And now think, what could be done if it was a freerunner? http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg49762.html -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid - was: [Community Updates] 2010-08-01 is out
we have won one of the new PandaBoards (OMAP4 / ARM Coretx A9) boards through the PandaBoard Early Adopter Program: Congratulations! This is good news, indeed. -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2+4+2 timing seemed to disrupt access to the sdcard
All this crashing caused some filesystem trouble. And then the second problem showed up. I got i/o errors reading from the sdcard. Sometimes, I didn't get tiles for tangogps or pictures for my contacts. Unmounting the sdcard and running fsck ought to fix this. But the fix was temporary. fsck would claim to fix some issues, and when I remounted the card, I had normal access to the files. But it was all in the page cache - it wasn't real. Reboot, and exactly the same errors came up again. fsck would give exactly the same messages while running. And things would work for a while, but another reboot would always bring the same problems back. It was as if writes to the sdcard failed - but failed silently. So the kernel didn't notice. But nothing actually got written, it just stayed in the page cache so everything seemed ok. I also had a lot of hangs - probably because I have swap on the sdcard. If swapping to the card silently fail, then surely there is trouble when the stuff is swapped back in. Do the sdcard and the glamo share a bus? Maybe glamo can handle a speed that the sdcard cannot? This is not related to the timing settings. I still use the default timing with new SHR-U and I have the same problem. I already opened a ticket in shr trac: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1143 The problem came up woth the new kernel, so I guess there is a problem with the sd driver in 2.6.32 -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Flashing qi broke my freerunner - SOLVED
Solution for recurring WSOD: That was no *OD, as the freerunner boots normally, except for not showing a display. So halting the system vie USB/ssh still works The solution is to boot into NOR flash, and then select Poweroff from the menu. After that, I get a normal reboot without the WSOD. Graphics indeed seems a bit faster with this qi. :-) I don't see a performance gain on my freerunner (latest SHR-U, 2.6.23.13). How do you all test this? I mean not becnhmark-wise but with a real-usage-example -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: at
Could someone please explain how does the the at_over_dbus work? How can i register a command to be executed at certain time? Place commands in a script in /var/spool/at and name it like TIMESTAMP.command.$$ where TIMESTAMP is the seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC when the command should be run. the rest is, as far as I know, up to you. Finally you touch /var/spool/at/trigger Thats it! And be sure to have atd runnning. -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: QtMoko v24
I'd like to see other distros goes like that. For example (and this is only an example) why do SHR added a split screen function on the desktop whereas a lot of (more usefull) other things where pending ? Maybe it was just there coming with illume2 and it needed to much work to remove it? But thanks Radek for your work, I am very happy with using your kernel on my SHR unstable! -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: latest SHR unstable: neo theme not working well, can't close apps anymore, qwo keyboard breaks starter
And how you close an application in illume2?;-) For me the top shelf does not slide down anymore (dunno, what should be the method to close the applications) For me it does not automatically, but as workaraound you can start shr_elm_softkey from the terminal and then it works fine. -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Re: latest SHR unstable: neo theme not working well, can't close apps anymore, qwo keyboard breaks starter
For me it does not automatically, but as workaraound you can start shr_elm_softkey from the terminal and then it works fine. I found an even better way to workaraounf this problem automatically: I created a wrapper /usr/bin/shr_elm_softkey.sh that is called from /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89shr_elm_softkey and that waits some time until it starts shr_elm_softkey The wrapper loks like this: ---8- #!/bin/sh export DISPLAY=localhost:0 sleep 60 exec /usr/bin/shr_elm_softkey ---8- The Xsession-Skript is the following: ---8- #!/bin/sh -e DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/shr_elm_softkey.sh ---8- -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Re: Re: latest SHR unstable: neo theme not working well, can't close apps anymore, qwo keyboard breaks starter
TAsn is checking possibilities for shr_elm_softkey autostarted by e17 itself. That's probably the most elegant way. What I would like then, is to have the sliding shelf in the same style as the indicator, the capability of holding gadgets in the sliding shelf (like the IBar) and a possibility to configure the height of the shelf, if that is possible. -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: little python script to clean up double entries in /usr/lib/opkg/status
for some reason I often suffer from double (or triple or...) entries in my /usr/lib/opkg/status and decided to write a little script that removes double entries. To be safe I opted to remove the newer entries and keep only the oldest. This is a good idea! However, the script does to take the version into account. That led to the deletion of the newer version in my case. No big deal as I checked the results before putting the chnaged file into place, but still you might want to change this. -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-t] typing sms over ssh
Just a question : is there any way to launch phoneui-messages through ssh -X ? It keeps ignoring $DISPLAY and displays itself on FR screen... IIRC I was able to do that previously... maybe an alterantive would be using thone... http://code.google.com/p/thone/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko list?
Maybe it would be better to ask the admins of the ml - original Nachricht Betreff: Openmoko list? Gesendet: Di, 23. Mrz 2010 Von: Iain B. Findletonifindle...@videotron.ca Suddenly I get nothing from this mailing list. Has something happened? Iain f. --- original Nachricht Ende ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: How to manually delete sms from sim using dbus2 or something else?
To list messages (latest shr-t): mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook 'all' To delete messages one by one: mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.DeleteMessage '1' Is there a way to get read messages from the SIM and store it in the pimd messages db? I received 2 messages during the upgrade of opimd and they got marked as read and therefore are not being fetched from the SIM. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-t] Big update, safe or not ?
But today I've tried an 'opkg update' and now I see : $opkg list-upgradable | wc -l 682 Will such a big upgrade be ok or do I have to wait until Sunday (more time to fix borken things) ? You should consider to upgrade in more than one step, as space in /tmp is limited. Read about the new implementation of opimd _before_ the upgrade. There are sone posts regarding the handling of contacts on the ML (shr-user). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Problems with NWA
Martin fixed qt builds (thanks again), and Ben just reported that NWA works again after upgrading. It starts up, yes. But when I close nwa I have to reboot my FR as it does not react on any input by pressing the power button. -- n...@el-hennig.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps-0.99.3 ipk?
Is there a package file out there for this version? If so, where? There is one in the SHR--Unstable feed. http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHRu] Stuck @ language screen aka Contest of the day.
If someone knows how to connect SSH or relauch the calibration utility I will send an openmoko-fr sticker. Can you try to run DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/xinput_calibrator from your ssh shell? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: [SHRu] Stuck @ language screen aka Contest of the day.
If someone knows how to connect SSH or relauch the calibration utility I will send an openmoko-fr sticker. Can you try to run DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/xinput_calibrator from your ssh shell? you can also remove /etc/pointercal.xinput and reboot. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: [SHRu] Stuck @ language screen aka Contest of the day.
Last brick to find : how to SSH my FR ! Probably the only way not to install shr again, would be to boot from sd card and remove the file /etc/pointercal.xinput in the flash partition from that system. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
Thanks, I made little test. I used this kernel with SHR-T. System loaded fast (~30s) , applications loads fast, but all graphics related activities like screen scrolling are painfully slow and look like a slide show. Would you kindly advise me a better nodebug kernel for tests with SHR-T? I used this one for testing on SHR-U http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/experimental/ However, this kernel reveals problems with fso when trying to register GSM. There are supposed to be solutions for that, but neither worked for me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Latest SHR-?
I'm not using shr-t or any .29-rc3 kernel, so I cannot comment. But on shr ML and trac there was few reports about not getting GPS lock or GSM channel (even with debug kernel) and at least 3 people said that they are having this problem more often with nodebug kernel. I am one of those people ;-) the problem with registering GSM is not caused by the 'fast' kernel. However it occurs more often using the 'fast' kernel. Obviously there is something going wrong in FSO if the system responds much quicker than before with the debug kernel. I discussed that with Mickey last week during our regular munich openmoko meeting nd he is currently working on a solution for that problem, time permitting. So I asked spaetz (maintainer of shr-t) and he said that we should rather revert back to debug (as it's slower but as some say more stable). If we want to test nodebug kernel, we should do it rather in shr-u and *after* testing use it in shr-t too. With the new kernel I was able to register GSM only when I gave the system something to do (start navit for example). Then the modem registered correctly and the PIN dialogue popped up. Sounds strange, but it's just like that (a tribute to the mouse ;-) ). At the moment the debug kernel is better suited for every day use, but on the other hand the system speed the freerunner is capable of is amazing. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Latest SHR-?
Which kernel are you guys using (on shr)? Andy-tracking? I'm using this one: http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/experimental/ Right now I switched back to the standard SHR-U kernel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: [SHR-t] navit crashes with Reiseplanner maps while searching for a town
There is a bug open at navit's bugtracker about that : http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/524 This is a regression since rev 2844. I'm personally using a rev26?? on my FR, with reiseplanner maps, without this issue. The patch in the ticket has been applied, please try with rev 2934+ and report. This is not only true for MP maps but for OSM maps as well, at least with my navit installation (latest from SHR-u feed: rev 2902). Hopefully this is updated soon... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: [SHR-t] navit crashes with Reiseplanner maps while searching for a town
Then this is probably another issue for you, because the regression in MG (reiseplanner) was caused by the use of new tags in OSM which weren't added to MG. Does your OSM map version match navit's revision? If you use an old OSM map, or a newer OSM map with a given revision of navit, it may fail to work because of changes in the datas. the planet.bin I use is from January 15th. BTW : there are daily build of navit for the FR here : http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn/ They are built nightly, but it's also possible to trigger a build during the day. I know! The problem is that in the SHR feeds the navit packages have an additional versioning which allows the installation of the svn packages only, if you disable the feeds before. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Re: [SHR-t] navit crashes with Reiseplanner maps while searching for a town
Please test it from this files and let me know.. if everything works I'll push it to oe.dev and then build it in official shr-u feeds. The search works with MP maps. I could not test OSM, since I will update the map at home later this evening. The search with my current OSM map does at least not crash the program. But it does not find the street names either. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
It did not work. Well, X came up and was nice and snappy, but the phone never connected to the GSM network. I tried shr-settings, and GSM could not be turned on! I tried booting several times, I tried restarting various fso daemons that seemed phone-related. Nothing helped. In the end, I flashed the latest shr-unstable kernel, booted, and got a GSM connection just fine. (I use shr-unstable of today.) Too bad this kernel didn't work, it seemed very interesting. I had the same behaviour with my FR: GSM was only availlable a very few times booting the experimental kernel. No Problems acured with the latest shr-u kernel, however. My last try was to use QI unstead of u-boot, and GSM got connected, I will try another reboot an report if it still works. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
And sometimes, but only sometimes, when not registered on boot, I can force registration simply by rebooting libphoneui from shr-settings Sometimes it doesn't matter what daemon you reboot. It doesn't register :( I just managed to force the registering by giving the FR sth. to work and then restart phonefsod. So it seems that there is really a timing problem, which would explain why the problem occurs more often with the faster kernel... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] New version of the orrery program available
One of the most commonly cited bugs, which caused the program to fail if it was run on a phone whose locale had been set to a language which uses commas, rather than periods, as the decimal place separator, has been fixed. Thanks a bunch to Heiko Stubner, who submitted a patch that fixed this bug. orrery 2.7 works well, if you start it from ssh. But the problem with orrery crashing when started through illume icon or from terminal is still there. The error is still Wrong number (1) of numbers found on line 1 of /media/card/orrery/orbitalElements/mercury/Elements What I do now is, starting orrey by wrapper skript that unsets LANG and LC_ALL. This works! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-rework service available
thanks for offering this service! (although too bad I already sent my device once to Germany) can you give us an indication on how much this would improve batterylife? I'm assuming it only extends standby-time. I once saw a graph that indicated that it was a huge boost, but can't find it anymore Did you mean this pointer: http://totalueberwachung.de/blog/2009/06/03/freerunner-deep-sleep-standby-time ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: mplayer?
Hi, what about xfs? I use xfs on several servers, desktop machines and laptops and it works perfectly. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Missing icons after install
Hi, This solution works: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-January/040537.html NeoRart 2009/4/18, Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com: Full reflash or executing code snippet, which I'm going to post here ;) 2009/4/17, Tomas Riveros Schober trive...@enable.cl: Great! thanks for the quick answer! should it be fixed by opkg upgrade or a .e removal or a full reflash? thanks Tom Johny Tenfinger escribió: Oh. I should do it yesterday or today, but forgot about it. I will fix it tomorrow ;) 2009/4/17, Tomas Riveros Schober trive...@enable.cl: Hello, I've just tried installing latest SHR-testing (which should be unstable just merged into testing), and it works quite good. However, I cannot find a way to launch certain apps (except than by using the terminal). i.e. TangoGPS is nowhere to be found, but calling tangogps from the terminal launches it correctly. Same thing happens with other apps shown in the initial configuration screen, but somehow lost after booting to e. Am I missing something incredibly stupid (it's been a while since I've tried SHR), or does it work that way? If so, how can I get launchers for those missing apps? thanks in advance Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
