Freerunner Sale Price in India

[rakshat hooja]

Ida Systems Pvt Ltd will be reselling the Neo Freerunner in India. After
careful consideration the the Retail Price in India has been fixed at Rs
2/-.  This includes all taxes, shipping to your address, 30 days return
and one year warranty. We are hoping to be able to ship the Freerunners to
customers by end May. For more information please email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

There are still a few slots left in our inaugural offer for the first 40
orders of [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15399/-. Please mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if
you would like to pre-book and avail the offer.

Thanks

Rakshat
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openmoko sales in India

[rakshat hooja]

Hi Shakti

The discounter price for the first 40 single orders is Rs 15399/-. (USD 388
at a dollar of 39.7 - we pay a surcharge over that to the bank when we buy
the dollars). And we are including shipping, customs and taxes and warrenty
in this price. This is a loss making price for idasystems but we want
feedback from the first 40 buyers to make sure it works on all Indian GSM
networks, provide gprs scripts for all the providers etc.

The prices you are quoting are from the unupdated website (when the
Freerunner was expected to be priced  at USD 450 not 399. You many need to
refresh the page or clear the browser cashe.

We will announce the final market price once we have negotiated our bulk
order purchase with openmoko.

Thanks

Rakshat


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>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Shakthi Kannan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion"  >
> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:41:20 +0530
> Subject: Re: Openmoko Freerunner sales in India
> Hi,
>
> --- On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 10:25 AM, rakshat hooja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> | We are offering a substantial rebate on the
> \--
>
> Your MRP is INR 24990 (USD 629 @ 1 USD == INR 39.7). The web order
> mentions INR 21900 after rebate (USD 551):
>
> http://idasystems.net/order
>
> It doesn't mention about debug board. That is so pricey even without
> the debug board!
>
> SK
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Openmoko Freerunner sales in India

[rakshat hooja]

My company is in the process of negotiating to import a large quantity of
Freerunners for resale in India. We are offering a substantial rebate on the
first 40 units we sell (our first batch is 50 units and we are keeping 10
in-house to provide for warranty and  testing). Interested parties please
contact me off-list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am hoping that the first 40
users will be willing to provide us feedback so we may be able to judge
future import quantities orders.

Thanks

Rakshat
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new main page of our wiki

[rakshat hooja]

Please remove the black from the tables. its very tough to read the page
with strong colours. Otherwise its nice.
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video/graphics on GTA02

[rakshat hooja]

I was going through the hardware specs of the GTA02 once again and was
wondering about the possible performance improvements because of the faster
processor and the smedia graphics chip.

I had three specific questions -

1) will 30 fps VGA res playback be possible?
2) will it be possible to have 2d transition effects (like MAC OS/ Vista) be
possible on the GUI without noticiable wait times.
3) Is any form of 3D acceleration support possible in the future for games?

I feel that the VGA screen is the feature distinguisher that the FreeRunner
has and the graphics should make full use of it.

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Openmoko on compulab x270em

[rakshat hooja]

After a lot of effort I have managed to get hold of a CompuLab X270em
evaluation kit and have angstorm (7 jan build downloaded form the compulab
website) running on it. It has been discussed earlier on this list that it
may be possible to run Openmoko or Qtopia on it. Is that true and can I have
some pointers on how to go about doing that.

Thanks

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Re: wiki editing suggestion

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>
> The wikimedia engine already creates a categories page. This is very much
> like a index page (not exactly an index as it only shows pages tagged with
> that category and not every instance when that
> text/concept/person/event/item has been reffed to). Maybe you can have a
> copy of the categories page as the starting point of the index page.



> My personal opinion is that putting proper category tags, putting
> improvement/verification/editing reguired tags (a la wikipedia) and
> improving search would be a better option than restarting with the index
> page.
>

Rakshat

>
>
>
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> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:52:53 +0800
> Subject: To everybody! Brenda -Full time editor on board
> Hello  everybody:
>
> I am Brenda Wang. I'm OpenMoko's full time editor. I was on board on 18,
> Feb.
> My job here is editing OpenMoko wiki, and make wiki more organized.
> Firstly, I will create a page as an  "Index".  The page's name is
> "OPENMOKO WIKI Offical Index Page". It is like a book's Index; then you
> can find things easily. Please let me know if you have any suggestions
> or questions.
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Re: Second hand neo page

[rakshat hooja]

There is already a page for people interested in purchasing a second hand
Neo. Maybe this could be used.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Interested_in_second_hand_neo

I managed to get a Neo advanced kit ( to unbrick my neo- could not find
anyone with a debug board in India)at a reasonable price ($ 350 inc
shipping) after listing on this page.

Rakshat

From: Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> To: List for OpenMoko community discussion 
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:16:58 -0800
> Subject: Request for assistance: Need a wiki page for buying and selling
> GTA01
> Hi Community,
>
> I need your help.
>
> Having completely sold out of GTA01, we are still getting a large number
> of requests for them.
>
> On the other hand, many of you intend to purchase a GTA02 and perhaps
> feel you have no use for your GTA01.
>
> Some of you might have other reasons to sell your GTA01.
>
> I'd like a wiki page to allow these buyers and sellers to find each other.
>
> We have a wiki page for GTA01 owners who lived in 850 MHz-only areas to
> sell their units; perhaps this page can be repurposed for this broader
> issue.
>
> Perhaps we call this the OpenMoko flea market.
>
> Anyone?
>
> Michael
>
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Neo GTA01 sold out?

[rakshat hooja]

Hi,
Just checking if all Neo 1973 basic kits been sold out. Will more devices be
made avaliable?

Rakshat

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>   1. Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy
>  (Patrick Davila)
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>  side  assistance (JW)
>   3. Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software
>  strategy ( Thomas Gst?dtner )
>   4. Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software
>  strategy (Tilman Baumann)
>   5. Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software
>  strategy (Jeffrey Thomas)
>   6. Re: Power Management on Neo1973 (Michael Shiloh)
>   7. Re: Power Management on Neo1973 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>   8. Re: Power Management on Neo1973 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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> From: "Patrick Davila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:20:21 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy
> I think the whole point of this takeover is Qtopia. Yes, the Nokia N800
> series internet tablet uses Maemo (based on gtk). Correct me if I'm wrong
> but aren't most of Nokia's cell phones running Symbian? Maybe buying
> Trolltech is cheaper than continually licensing Symbian? Plus they have a
> hell of lot more control in the direction of Qtopia & Qt.
>
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> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:32:58 + (UTC)
> Subject: Openmoko - opportunity to have collective "community" server side
> assistance
> Hi community
>
> right now OM is just getting established
> but its fun to think ahead :-)
>
> articles like this one highlight the role of server side apps to help
> mobile
> devices with high load tasks.
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/28/
> skyfire-browser-for-windows-mobile-is-game-changing-does-flash/
>
> I am not sure but perhaps their business model is to offer a subscription
> service to users.
>
> we can already see examples of other lower load apps for example
> thumbtribes
> (early stage beta see youtube)
>
> there are many, many more coming i am sure perhaps whenever you move
> down a
> road that is not in OpenStreetMap in the future data will automatically be
> collected
>
> one way the community could help to develop these services is to
> collectively
> provide a place for developers to host these services so that they are
> provided
> * cheaply
> * fast
> * always available
> * secure/easy login for nominated developers
> * funded by donation?
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> the advantages of having this all on "OpenMokoServer" will really draw the
> community together I think
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> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:31:12 +0100
> Subject: Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy
> About 50% of Symbian are owned by Nokia.
>
> On 1/28/08, Patrick Davila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I think the whole point of this takeover is Qtopia. Yes, the Nokia N800
> > series internet tablet uses Maemo (based on gtk). Correct me if I'm
> > wrong
> > but aren't most of Nokia's cell phones running Symbian? Maybe buying
> > Trolltech is cheaper than continually licensing Symbian? Plus they have
> > a
> > hell of lot more control in the direction of Qtopia & Qt.
> >
> > Pat
> >
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> Subject: Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy
> Patrick Davila wrote:
> > I think the whole point of this takeover is Qtopia. Yes, the Nokia N800
> > series internet tablet uses Maemo (based on gtk). Correct me if I'm
> wrong
> > but aren't most of Nokia's cell phones running Symbian? Maybe b

quantum step on Neo

[rakshat hooja]

I just saw the following link.

http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php?page=OpenMoko-Edition&referer=About

According to this it seems that it is possible to at least boot quantum step
on the Neo. Anyone know if  the PIM applications on quantum step are usable
on the the Neo. I currently use Ubuntu to connect with my Neo but I do have
a mac book and if the quantum step PIM can sync with the mac it would be
great.

Rakshat

P S - sorry if this is old news/ has been covered on the list. I just
noticed it today.
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Re: power management on Neo1973

[rakshat hooja]

Hey, I  am not even thinking of sending the phone back anywhere. I love it.
Was just trying to clarify what i had been reading on the IRC and the list.

It would have been great if suspend could have worked perfectly on on the
Neo1973 (ever in the future) -an added bonus that allowed one to not worry
about deep discharge, take the Neo away from the computer and show to other
interested people.

That being said people do read the wiki page before buying and also note

"To clarify some misconceptions about what this is, please read this
article.

The product status is the *earliest possible time in development* at which
we can provide* functional hardware*  (italics added by Rakshat) with a very
early, very incomplete software stack"

This need to be corrected if power management is a hardware problem.

Also the portion where it says "no reasonable battery life yet" gives the
impression that there will be reasonable battery life in the future.

I will edit the wiki but only after i get some confirmation for OM or FIC
that it is indeed a hardware problem.
Rakshat




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> From: "Nicolas Linkert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:47:10 +0100
> Subject: Re: Power Management on Neo1973
> Hi,
>
> I sent this to FIC:
>
> 
> before I do that [send my device back to FIC and exchange it],
> I'll need to find out the following:
>
> Question:
> "I have been following the improving power management conversation on
> the IRC logs and on this list but am still not clear if it is only a
> software problem (suspend issues, devices not shutting off when being
> closed
> etc.)or there are Major hardware issues involved (I am talking about the
> Gta1 devices not FreeRunner). Could someone from OM or FIC clarify
> this?"
>
> Answer:
> "I am not from fic or OM, but from what I can tell (I developed the Neo
> parts of Qtopia), power management issues are hardware related,
> otherwise Qtopia would suspend/resume perfectly, as it does on the
> Greenphone and other handsets Qtopia comes with."
>
> This appeared yesterday/today on one of the the OpenMoko mailing lists
> (Community). IF the answer to the question is correct, then there's no
> need to exchange my phone - it simply won't improve then. But IF that is
> the case, then I would like to give my phone back.
>
> Hope someone from FIC can clear this up.
> -
>
> The answer I got:
>
> "The answer is correct."
>
> So the GTA01 will in fact never be usable as a phone. Too bad. And some
> EUR 300,00 wasted ...
>
> Best regards,
> Nicolas
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Maciej Kaniewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "List for OpenMoko community discussion"  >
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:02:47 +
> Subject: Re: Power Management on Neo1973
>
> Hi,
> from openmoko.com shop page :
>
> WARNING: Developers only! Please note that the OpenMoko products are not
> meant for the end user and explicitly marked as Developer preview at this
> time. Read this wiki 
> articleto find more 
> technical details of what you can and cannot expect of these
> devices.
>
> ... and when you follow the link you can find
> ...
> What you *CAN NOT* expect yet
>
>- reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI
>- reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI
>- integrated GPRS data access
>- bluetooth integration (basic bluez driver works)
>- proper power management (i.e. no reasonable battery life yet)
>- ringtone (or other) profile management
>- network preferences (call deflection, manual operator selection,
>...)
>- a complete application framework where third party application
>developers can write apps that easily integrate with the OpenMoko world
>
>
> As far as i know you had to agree with that  when you bought the phone
>
> Maciej
>
> On 10/01/2008, Nicolas Linkert < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I sent this to FIC:
> >
> > 
> > before I do that [send my device back to FIC and exchange it],
> > I'll need to find out the following:
> >
> > Question:
> > "I have been following the improving power management conversation on
> > the IRC logs and on this list but am still not clear if it is only a
> > software problem (suspend issues, devices not shutting off when being
> > closed
> > etc.)or there are Major hardware issues involved (I am talking about the
> > Gta1 devices not FreeRunner). Could someone from OM or FIC clarify
> > this?"
> >
> > Answer:
> > "I am not from fic or OM, but from what I can tell (I developed the Neo
> > parts of Qtopia), power management issues are hardware related,
> > otherwise Qtopia would suspend/resume perfectly, as it does on th

Power Management on Neo1973

[rakshat hooja]

Hi,
 I have been following the improving power management conversation on
the IRC logs and on this list but am still not clear if it is only a
software problem (suspend issues, devices not shutting off when being closed
etc.)or there are Major hardware issues involved (I am talking about the
Gta1 devices not FreeRunner). Could someone from OM or FIC clarify this?

I have got calling and sms working pretty well (as in perfectly) for me when
using the qtopia image and if power management improved this could easily
become my only phone.


Thanks
Rakshat
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GTA02 processor speed

[rakshat hooja]

Gizmodo quotes an Open Moko press release and mentions that the GTA02 has a
500 MHz processor -

http://gizmodo.com/339965/openmoko-launches-neo-freerunner-open+source-smartphone-for-the-masses

"Maintaining the overall look and feel of the developers' Neo 1973, the Neo
FreeRunner features hardware improvements such as 2D/3D graphics and a
faster 500MHz processor that boosts performance to enable video and audio
processing, as well as a new generation of mobile applications emerging from
the open source community."

On the other hand the Open Moko wiki mentions that the GTA02 uses the
Samsung S3C2442B chip capable of 400 MHz.

Has the chip been overclocked or the info on the wiki is wrong and needs to
be updated?


Rakshat


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> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 02:44:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: Neo fast charge utility
> On Jan 2, 2008 11:57 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nick Guenther wrote:
> > > Hijacking a bit:
> >
> > > for the record, all thunder does is write
> > > "fast_cccv" or "closed" to
> > > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode
> > > depending on what mode you want, and wrap that up in a nice OM GUI.
> > > Any hope for a qtopia version?
> >
> > I can make a script that switches to fast charge mode that will go in
> > the devtools entry.
> >
>
> Awesome. Can you have "slow charge" and "no charge" (I think that's
> the whole list, right?) options too?
> Where are devtools scripts stored? I tried find(1)ing a bit but
> failed. I was going to ask for a way to get to a terminal in QTopia
> (maybe a port of elsewhere), but if I can write a script and add it to
> devtools at will that might be just as good--better in some ways.
>
> -Nick
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:34:03 -0800
> Subject: Re: Community update, January 2, 2008
> Thank you for the update. When do you expect to have results from the
> 850-MHz GTA01 testing?
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
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> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:23:43 +0100
> Subject: Re: Community update, January 2, 2008
> On Thursday 03 January 2008 05:51:06 Michael Shiloh wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Next week at CES we will formally preview GTA02 to the public. We are
> > doing this at an invitation-only media event, and not the general show
> > floor.
> >
> Any chance to see a video of that event? Maybe even in decent (i.e. better
> than Youtube :) quality?
>
> Great news in any case!
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:38:33 +1000
> Subject: Re: Neo fast charge utility
>
>
> Nick Guenther wrote:
> > On Jan 2, 2008 11:57 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Nick Guenther wrote:
> >>> Hijacking a bit:
> >>> for the record, all thunder does is write
> >>> "fast_cccv" or "closed" to
> >>> /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode
> >>> depending on what mode you want, and wrap that up in a nice OM GUI.
> >>> Any hope for a qtopia version?
> >> I can make a script that switches to fast charge mode that will go in
> >> the devtools entry.
> >>
> >
> > Awesome. Can you have "slow charge" and "no charge" (I think that's
> > the whole list, right?) options too?
>
> I will see what I can do
>
>
> > Where are devtools scripts stored? I tried find(1)ing a bit but
> > failed. I was going to ask for a way to get to a terminal in QTopia
> > (maybe a port of elsewhere), but if I can write a script and add it to
> > devtools at will that might be just as good--better in some ways.
>
>
> The devtools entry is a special one created at compile time. When you
> 'make install' Qtopia, .desktop file(s) get read and the information
> gets stored in the database, as opposed to being on the filesystem.
>
>
> There is a semi-ported terminal in the opieII sources. It

Neo fast charge utility

[rakshat hooja]

I just saw this project on the open moko projects page

http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/thunder/

It is a fast charge utility that allows the neo to fast charge with an AC
-USB adaptor that can give a 500 Mil Amp output. Has any member manage to
test it out yet?

Thanks
Rakshat
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Re:

[rakshat hooja]

Hi,
 Just wanted to inquire  if anyone on this list has managed  to get
poky linux  and sato to work with the Neo 1973.

thanks in advance

Rakshat
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openmoko on the Nokia N810

[rakshat hooja]

This may be a stupid question but is it theoretically possible run openmoko
on a Nokia Internet tablet? I don't know what processor the Nokia N810 uses.
I do know that you can flash with images from maemo.org

Rakshat
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Moved page for those interested in second hand Neos

[rakshat hooja]

I have moved the wiki page for those interested in buying a second hand Neo
to-

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Interested_in_second_hand_neo

The page for users wanting to sell their GTA01 devices remains at

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/US_850_band_users_wanting_to_sell_Neo

Regards,

Rakshat
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FM radio reception on neo/openmoko and some other questions

[rakshat hooja]

1) Are there any working hacks for getting FM radio reception on the
neo 1973? Even the $35 (total for the unlocked phone that will work
with any network) Nokia phones have FM reception in india. This is a
must have option for the Neo to sell in India. Most phones use the
earplug cable assembly as their radio antenna. Is is possible to do
that in the neo?

  2) Will the GTA02 phone have the speaker phone option or is getting
call sound on the speakers something that can be done by editing
config files in openmoko?

3) Is it theoretically possible to print by directly connecting the
printer to the phone if the printer drivers are avaliable (at least
text files)

4) If someone writes a faxing application for openmoko should it not
be possible to use the phone as a mobile fax sending and recieving
unit?

Thanks

Rakshat

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Re: wiki page for users wanting to sell Neo because of 850 band problem

[rakshat hooja]

I have just set up the following page

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/US_850_band_users_wanting_to_sell_Neo

Hope it helps people to get in touch with potential buyers in other parts of
the world where this is not an issue and get some return on their
investment.

Rakshat

PS - I have no connection with openmoko or FIC, just trying to be helpful
here.
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Re: community Digest, Vol 52, Issue 11

[rakshat hooja]

The product page still says that it is quad band
http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html

I think they will make the 850 version for the us market though I would
prefer an operational quad band neo 1973 finally (as in 2008 atleast)

Rakshat


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> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:37:39 -0800, Joshua Layne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > I hate to add to the fire on this one, but no 850 is a definite deal
> > breaker.
> > No quad-band is a serious limitation, as it has been marketed since
> > inception as a quad-band phone.
>
> I see now that the openmoko.com page has been updated to state that it is
> a
> tri-band phone, not a quad-band phone - last night it clearly stated quad
> band.
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> I just wish this had been clearly identified 3 or 4 months ago.
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2 beginner questions

[rakshat hooja]

I just got my neo 1973 by mail today and I will try to flash the image and
load rootfs sometime in the evening. Just had a couple of questions as i am
new here.

1. Is there a place where the latest tested image and rootfs is available
for download. the wiki links to a number of files and one is not sure which
image matches the rootfs.
2. When I have connected the usb cable to a powered usb port and the neo is
switched off is it charging (there is no indicator)

thanks

Rakshat

PS i am going through the wiki but if there is a forum where these questions
have already been answered please guide me there so i don't mail the entire
list every time.

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> At the lowest level GPS runs hardware ranges or   time offsets from
> each satellite.
> This does not directly give you a position. Some significant
> spherical trig is necessary to turn this into position.
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> A lot of (AGPS) phones only have that hardware and rely on some system
> software
> (maybe not even on the phone) to turn that into a location. It makes
> a lot of sense that if you
> have a powerful CPU you don;t need to add another powerful CPU to
> turn this GPS
> base band info into PVT (position velocity and time).
>
> The second issue with GPS is that if you are going to take raw data
> and generate PVT then
> you have to do the GPS limitations that keep the system from being a
> ballistic missile guidance
> system IE you cant report position if altitude > 60K ft and
> velocity > 1000 knots or some such.
> So if you plan to sell such hardware in the US then unless it has
> these limits encoded
> in a way that is not trivial to defeat it become a ITAR controlled
> munition.
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> It sounds like the origional GTA01 used a standard phone AGPS that
> does not directly calculate position,
> a great technical solution, but it does not work in real partical US
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