Re: SIM Toolkit (STK) in openmoko? (was Re: home zone functionality)
On Saturday 19 April 2008 01:26:59 Kiro Zimmer wrote: resulting from the question how the home zome functionality works, now is clear that all newer phones use the SIM toolkit (STK) to display the house on the phone. It seems to me, the AT+CRSM command was never the official way to get these information. This lead to the question: Does openmoko support STK? One year ago Harald Welte wrote to the same question in [1] We don't support SIM toolkit yet, since we don't think it's a high important item at all. In fact, it's not even on our roadmap, similar to MMS. [...] Those documents are confidential by TI. Also, we currently need all our 'communication bandwidth' with TI for other issues. So we will probably never see the house on the neo/freerunner :-(( GSM 11.14 is a can of worms. It ties into a lot of subsystems all over the device. While Openmoko is still experimenting with and working on these subsystems (let alone UI), it makes no sense thinking about implementing 11.14. However, once the middleware has been stabilized (hopefully towards autumn this year), someone could actually think about that. If some operator wants that and provides a clean patch using the middleware services -- which would be a requirement, we don't want STK circumvent that -- then I see no problems with accepting such a patch. I don't see Openmoko doing anytime soon though. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SIM Toolkit (STK) in openmoko? (was Re: home zone functionality)
Hello, resulting from the question how the home zome functionality works, now is clear that all newer phones use the SIM toolkit (STK) to display the house on the phone. It seems to me, the AT+CRSM command was never the official way to get these information. This lead to the question: Does openmoko support STK? One year ago Harald Welte wrote to the same question in [1] We don't support SIM toolkit yet, since we don't think it's a high important item at all. In fact, it's not even on our roadmap, similar to MMS. [...] Those documents are confidential by TI. Also, we currently need all our 'communication bandwidth' with TI for other issues. So we will probably never see the house on the neo/freerunner :-(( Regards, Kiro [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gsmd-devel/2007-March/09.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
home zone functionality
Hello everyone, I didn't find an answer to my question. I had a look at the wish list for the FreeRunner and wanted to add a software feature but wasn't allowed to edit the page so I'm writing it in this mailing list. I'm german and using o2. It offers the so called Homezone which is a area you can define the center. When in this area (depending on GSM cells) you can give and receive calls with a additionaly provided fixed line number at lower charge. So my question is: is this feature already in the todo list? Since Vodafone and T-Mobile is offering an equivalent service for about one or two years now I think that it would be worth to implement this. Thank you for the great work!! Can't wait to get it!! Best regards, Matthias -- Mein öffentlicher Schlüssel zur E-Mailverschlüsselung ist verfügbar unter: http://www.mlohr.de/kontakt/web.asc ___ Jetzt neu! Schützen Sie Ihren PC mit McAfee und WEB.DE. 30 Tage kostenlos testen. http://www.pc-sicherheit.web.de/startseite/?mc=00 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: home zone functionality
Hi, I'm german and using o2. It offers the so called Homezone which is a area you can define the center. When in this area (depending on GSM cells) you can give and receive calls with a additionaly provided fixed line number at lower charge. So my question is: is this feature already in the todo list? As far as I know, homezone is independet from the mobile phone. I used 02 some years with a mobile phone with non-special software. The only difference is (if you use o2), that you have this nice little house on the display, when you are inside your homezone. Regards, Ricky. -- Bitte beachten Sie, dass dem Gesetz zur Vorratsdatenspeicherung zufolge jeder elektronische Kontakt mit mir sechs Monate lang gespeichert wird. Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. GPG-Key-ID: AFD2FDF3A10BD302 http://www.lawlita.com/pgp-schluessel/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: home zone functionality
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:47:54 +0200, Matthias Lohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't find an answer to my question. I had a look at the wish list for the FreeRunner and wanted to add a software feature but wasn't allowed to edit the page so I'm writing it in this mailing list. I'm german and using o2. It offers the so called Homezone which is a area you can define the center. When in this area (depending on GSM cells) you can give and receive calls with a additionaly provided fixed line number at lower charge. So my question is: is this feature already in the todo list? Since Vodafone and T-Mobile is offering an equivalent service for about one or two years now I think that it would be worth to implement this. This seems like a feature of the network, not of the phone, and doesn't require any special support from the phone. And a quite strange feature, frankly. I'm not sure I understand the advantage of having one more number that only works sometimes, while in reality I strive for quite the opposite: having just one number that I can always be reached at, instead of having to tell people my home/office/etc numbers. This location-based approach is also quite counter to the current trend: with the modern technologies, it matters less and less where you physically are. It started with the very concept of a mobile phone and later continued with GSM roaming. These days some countries, like Norway, remove area codes and establish the same rate for calling any phone in the country. Finally, various VoIP technologies make it completely irrelevant where you are as long as you have an internet connection. This Homezone offer looks like a marketing trick to encourage people to talk slightly more and squeeze another penny out of them; it doesn't add any value and is, in fact, a way of selling air. It will eventually die along with the death of the very concept of home phone. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: home zone functionality
Sorry for the unprecise question... I know about the home announcing when you begin a call, I used it because my imported mobile phone doesn't have the house symbol. But it would be nicer to get the house on the phone, although it's just an unimportant feature. I have no idea how it works. But it shouldn't be a problem for a phone company to get the specs. Regards, Matthias Hi, I'm german and using o2. It offers the so called Homezone which is a area you can define the center. When in this area (depending on GSM cells) you can give and receive calls with a additionaly provided fixed line number at lower charge. So my question is: is this feature already in the todo list? As far as I know, homezone is independet from the mobile phone. I used 02 some years with a mobile phone with non-special software. The only difference is (if you use o2), that you have this nice little house on the display, when you are inside your homezone. Regards, Ricky. -- Bitte beachten Sie, dass dem Gesetz zur Vorratsdatenspeicherung zufolge jeder elektronische Kontakt mit mir sechs Monate lang gespeichert wird. Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. GPG-Key-ID: AFD2FDF3A10BD302 http://www.lawlita.com/pgp-schluessel/ hr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Schon gehört? Der neue WEB.DE MultiMessenger kann`s mit allen: http://www.produkte.web.de/messenger/?did=3016 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: home zone functionality
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:34:20 +0200, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The home zone icon uses a rather strange SMS feature. I don't know details. But there are several message types. Like messages which pop up without asking the user to open it. Or like the O2 logo. Which is a SMS with (smehow) a emebedded pictogram ebedded. Which your phone shows in some status bar or the background. This icon can only be re-set if you get a special delete SMS. AFAIK there are no such things as executable code in SMS. There are specially formatted SMS that set or recent certain flags. For example, there are standardized flags (and ways to set and reset them) for voicemail and fax icons. O2 is probably using an undocumented (reserved) flag bit for their home icon. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: home zone functionality
Hello List, this is my first post to this list, but I read it for over a year now ;-) If i remember correctly, on the SIM-Card is an center and an radius defined and stored. These values are renewable via SMS, but this is only done by the network operator when you change your Homezone to another city. In germany in the o2-network every antenna sends its own coordinates in form of a 12 digit number called Gauss Krüger Koordinaten [1] [2] on cell broadcast channel 221. The SIM calculates, if it is inside the circle which is defined by center and radius and displays via the SIM-toolkit a picture (house) on the display of the phone. If you want to know more about this, you should look at nobbi.com where I found this information years ago. He has developed a Software called SIMspy2 [2] (windows binary only), which can read these stored coordinates, but there are sources too for an older version of it [4]. And for the hackers of you, AFAIK you can change the coordinates in your SIM by sending a special SMS to your phone, but this changes only the coordinates on your phone. The real billing is done via the network operator and is indepndent from what your phone thinks he is at home :-) To see how such a homezone works, have a look at my homezone [5]. Note the values center(X,Y) and radius on the page. Regards, Kiro [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gau%C3%9F-Kr%C3%BCger-Koordinatensystem [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauss-Kr%C3%BCger_coordinate_system [3] http://www.nobbi.com/download.htm [4] http://www.nobbi.com/download/simspypcsc.zip [5] http://gsm.yz.to/karte.php?x=373522y=569340zoom=6hz=1rhz=1resx=800resy=600ehz=17000ghz=1kr=1 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: home zone functionality
Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:34:20 +0200, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The home zone icon uses a rather strange SMS feature. I don't know details. But there are several message types. Like messages which pop up without asking the user to open it. Or like the O2 logo. Which is a SMS with (smehow) a emebedded pictogram ebedded. Which your phone shows in some status bar or the background. This icon can only be re-set if you get a special delete SMS. AFAIK there are no such things as executable code in SMS. Sure not, never said that. There are specially formatted SMS that set or recent certain flags. For example, there are standardized flags (and ways to set and reset them) for voicemail and fax icons. O2 is probably using an undocumented (reserved) flag bit for their home icon. AFAIK it's really a picture. Regards Tilman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 (was Re: home zone functionality)
... some additional informations According to [1] the AT-command AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 should list the stored (and encoded) homezone values. This works on my very old Siemens M35 but not on any newer phone I have tried, even when the same SIM was used. So this AT-command seems to be phone specific. Does anybody know how this command is implemented on other phones? If we find a generic version of this call, we could simply write an software-applet, which show the current homezone-status -- even with a picture of a house :-) Regards, Kiro [1] http://gsm.yz.to/faq.php signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 (was Re: home zone functionality)
Many of those type of AT commands are gsm-modem specific. Many of them are far from AT standard and are implemented only in modems of that manufacturer. Google for M35 modem specification in PDF and then for such command in offical AT commands set. Kiro Zimmer pisze: According to [1] the AT-command AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 should list the stored (and encoded) homezone values. This works on my very old Siemens M35 but not on any newer phone I have tried, even when the same SIM was used. So this AT-command seems to be phone specific. Does anybody know how this command is implemented on other phones? Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 (was Re: home zone functionality)
On Thursday 17 April 2008 12:27, Kiro Zimmer wrote: ... some additional informations According to [1] the AT-command AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 should list the stored (and encoded) homezone values. This works on my very old Siemens M35 but not on any newer phone I have tried, even when the same SIM was used. So this AT-command seems to be phone specific. Does anybody know how this command is implemented on other phones? If we find a generic version of this call, we could simply write an software-applet, which show the current homezone-status -- even with a picture of a house :-) Regards, Kiro [1] http://gsm.yz.to/faq.php On my Neo, Virgin UK SIM, Roming on T-Mobile NL AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 STR=`AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123' RSTR=`+CRSM: 148,4,' fyi : http://alumni.ipt.pt/~pmad/s35i_c35i_m35i_atc_commandset_v01.pdf -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 (was Re: home zone functionality)
On Thursday 17 April 2008 13:53, Andy Powell wrote: On Thursday 17 April 2008 12:27, Kiro Zimmer wrote: ... some additional informations According to [1] the AT-command AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 should list the stored (and encoded) homezone values. This works on my very old Siemens M35 but not on any newer phone I have tried, even when the same SIM was used. So this AT-command seems to be phone specific. Does anybody know how this command is implemented on other phones? If we find a generic version of this call, we could simply write an software-applet, which show the current homezone-status -- even with a picture of a house :-) Regards, Kiro [1] http://gsm.yz.to/faq.php On my Neo, Virgin UK SIM, Roming on T-Mobile NL AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 STR=`AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123' RSTR=`+CRSM: 148,4,' fyi : http://alumni.ipt.pt/~pmad/s35i_c35i_m35i_atc_commandset_v01.pdf this might also interest you :) command may be − 176 read binary − 178 read record − 192 get response − 214 update binary − 220 update record − 242 status fileid integer type; this is the identifier of a elementary data file on SIM. Mandatory for every command except STATUS and may be e.g.: − 28471 meaning ACMmax file (6F37). − 28423 meaning IMSI file (6F07). − 28473 meaning ACM file (6F39). − 28481 meaning PUKT file (6F41). − 28482 meaning SMS file (6F42). P1, P2, P3 integer type defining the request. These parameters are mandatory for every command, except GET RESPONSE and STATUS. The values are described in GSM 51.011. -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 (was Re: home zone functionality)
Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:27:25 +0200 Von: Kiro Zimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 (was Re: home zone functionality) ... some additional informations According to [1] the AT-command AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 should list the stored (and encoded) homezone values. This works on my very old Siemens M35 but not on any newer phone I have tried, even when the same SIM was used. So this AT-command seems to be phone specific. No, the AT+CRSM command is not phone specific. It is a standardised command as all AT+Cxxx commands. First 'But' - it is 'optional' ;-) For more information about this command you should consult an actual version of ETSI TS 100 916, which specifies the 'AT Command set for GSM Mobile Equipment (ME)' Does anybody know how this command is implemented on other phones? If we find a generic version of this call, we could simply write an software-applet, which show the current homezone-status -- even with a picture of a house :-) As described above AT+CRSM is 'generic'. BR Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: home zone functionality, use voip for this?
There is no search on the mailing list so I'm not sure if this has been discussed previously. Has anybody tested voip with openmoko? Maybe is an easy way to implement a cheap home-zone. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthias Lohr Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:48 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: home zone functionality Hello everyone, I didn't find an answer to my question. I had a look at the wish list for the FreeRunner and wanted to add a software feature but wasn't allowed to edit the page so I'm writing it in this mailing list. I'm german and using o2. It offers the so called Homezone which is a area you can define the center. When in this area (depending on GSM cells) you can give and receive calls with a additionaly provided fixed line number at lower charge. So my question is: is this feature already in the todo list? Since Vodafone and T-Mobile is offering an equivalent service for about one or two years now I think that it would be worth to implement this. Thank you for the great work!! Can't wait to get it!! Best regards, Matthias -- Mein öffentlicher Schlüssel zur E-Mailverschlüsselung ist verfügbar unter: http://www.mlohr.de/kontakt/web.asc ___ Jetzt neu! Schützen Sie Ihren PC mit McAfee und WEB.DE. 30 Tage kostenlos testen. http://www.pc-sicherheit.web.de/startseite/?mc=00 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: home zone functionality, use voip for this?
Crane, Matthew wrote: There is no search on the mailing list so I'm not sure if this has been discussed previously. Has anybody tested voip with openmoko? Maybe is an easy way to implement a cheap home-zone. There's no search officially, but you can get it using GMANE: http://tinyurl.com/65xkyw -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
