Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
If we're bringing this up... it's already been had at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Text_Input I favour http://www.strout.net/info/ideas/hexinput.html myself. On Dec 8, 2007 6:23 PM, Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out the Dasher text input system. http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ It is a text input sytem that uses 2 axis analog inputs, like a mouse, joystick, or tilt sensor. Its very noise resistant, good for people with muscle control problems. As long as you don't have to tilt so much that you can't see the screen, it should work ok for openmoko. Apparently its available for pocketpc devices, I don't know if any of them have tilt sensors and have used them for Dasher. Here's a page about using tilt on a toshiba tablet pc: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/saw27/dasher/toshtilt/ There's a movie where someone is using tilt for text entry. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Tilting is an awful control method for almost anything. The main reason being that you move the screen around while tilting. Other problems are that it's exausting and lacks feedback. Even tilting to automatically switch the screen orientation can be annoying if you're lying on your side in your bed reading an ebook. I can not imagine any useful contribution of tilting to text input. Ortwin On Dec 5, 2007 2:52 PM, Joseph J. McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if you could tilt the Neo to switch keyboards instead. Or, perhaps, instead of multi-tap you tilt and press 2 to get B instead of hold horizontal and tap 2 to get A. It seems that the accelerometers could be used to make the keyboard easier to use. Now that I am typing perhaps the coolest, would be to have something like a full qwerty with keys that are too big to fit the whole keyboard on the screen, but you tilt it to access the off-screen ones (you tilt left and the keyboard slides over so that you can get to the L key). Just some thoughts. Joe Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: Wiadomość napisana w dniu Dec 5, 2007, o godz 10:14 AM, przez Thomas Wood: On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 09:20 +0100, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: For me it's also finger-usable keyboard - just like the one in Qtopia. With that you can operate your phone without stylus (in most cases). Chris has worked on a multi-tap input method: http://chrislord.net/blog/Software/multitap-pad.enlighten That's wonderful news! What I also like in Qtopia's keyboard is ability to switch between number, symbol and letters keyboard by moving you finger down or up on keyboard. Obviously T9 will not be implemented due to patent issues. I will ask him if the source is available anywhere. T9 is not necessary important (i.e. I do not use english on my phone so probably I would need to hack it to include polish T9 database). It is useful in SMSes but not on writing URLs or console ;) cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joseph J. McCarthy, Associate Professor and William Kepler Whiteford Faculty Fellow Department of Chemical and Petroleum Engineering University of Pittsburgh 1249 Benedum Hall Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15261 Ph. 412-624-7362; Fax 412-624-9639 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://granular.che.pitt.edu ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Check out the Dasher text input system. http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ It is a text input sytem that uses 2 axis analog inputs, like a mouse, joystick, or tilt sensor. Its very noise resistant, good for people with muscle control problems. As long as you don't have to tilt so much that you can't see the screen, it should work ok for openmoko. Apparently its available for pocketpc devices, I don't know if any of them have tilt sensors and have used them for Dasher. Here's a page about using tilt on a toshiba tablet pc: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/saw27/dasher/toshtilt/ There's a movie where someone is using tilt for text entry. Ortwin Regel wrote: Tilting is an awful control method for almost anything. The main reason being that you move the screen around while tilting. Other problems are that it's exausting and lacks feedback. Even tilting to automatically switch the screen orientation can be annoying if you're lying on your side in your bed reading an ebook. I can not imagine any useful contribution of tilting to text input. Ortwin On Dec 5, 2007 2:52 PM, Joseph J. McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if you could tilt the Neo to switch keyboards instead. Or, perhaps, instead of multi-tap you tilt and press 2 to get B instead of hold horizontal and tap 2 to get A. It seems that the accelerometers could be used to make the keyboard easier to use. Now that I am typing perhaps the coolest, would be to have something like a full qwerty with keys that are too big to fit the whole keyboard on the screen, but you tilt it to access the off-screen ones (you tilt left and the keyboard slides over so that you can get to the L key). Just some thoughts. Joe Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: Wiadomość napisana w dniu Dec 5, 2007, o godz 10:14 AM, przez Thomas Wood: On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 09:20 +0100, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: For me it's also finger-usable keyboard - just like the one in Qtopia. With that you can operate your phone without stylus (in most cases). Chris has worked on a multi-tap input method: http://chrislord.net/blog/Software/multitap-pad.enlighten http://chrislord.net/blog/Software/multitap-pad.enlighten That's wonderful news! What I also like in Qtopia's keyboard is ability to switch between number, symbol and letters keyboard by moving you finger down or up on keyboard. Obviously T9 will not be implemented due to patent issues. I will ask him if the source is available anywhere. T9 is not necessary important (i.e. I do not use english on my phone so probably I would need to hack it to include polish T9 database). It is useful in SMSes but not on writing URLs or console ;) cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joseph J. McCarthy, Associate Professor and William Kepler Whiteford Faculty Fellow Department of Chemical and Petroleum Engineering University of Pittsburgh 1249 Benedum Hall Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15261 Ph. 412-624-7362; Fax 412-624-9639 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://granular.che.pitt.edu ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SMS is required + fix for battery drained isse (was: 2007.11 snapshot available)
On Dec 5, 2007 2:25 AM, Thomas Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latest snapshot includes the first alpha version of the Messages application which allows you to send and receive SMS messages. That's good news! I can confirm that GTA02 fixes this - you do not even need a battery in the device to use it if the USB cable is connected. Also good news! I've heard that the Nokia DT-14 charges the Neo battery about 75%, which should be enough to revive them. Maybe one of these would also work? http://cgi.ebay.com/BL-4C-Desktop-Battery-Charger-Nokia-6300-6101-6131-6136_W0QQitemZ320185839242QQihZ011QQcategoryZ20365QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Jon Phillips wrote: Priorities for mass usage: 1. phone working And this means stable connection to network and sms-features in my eyes. 2. acceptable battery life (1 full day without charge) This would probably mean stable hibernation. This, by the way, works excellent (for me) when neod locks the phone by it self, and sometimes not so great when I choose it in the neod menu directly. Am I wrong? I think you (almost) nailed it :) And yes, I think these should be top-priority at OpenMoko (and everyone else who have spare time). Esben ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
What if you could tilt the Neo to switch keyboards instead. Or, perhaps, instead of multi-tap you tilt and press 2 to get B instead of hold horizontal and tap 2 to get A. It seems that the accelerometers could be used to make the keyboard easier to use. Now that I am typing perhaps the coolest, would be to have something like a full qwerty with keys that are too big to fit the whole keyboard on the screen, but you tilt it to access the off-screen ones (you tilt left and the keyboard slides over so that you can get to the L key). Just some thoughts. Joe Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: Wiadomość napisana w dniu Dec 5, 2007, o godz 10:14 AM, przez Thomas Wood: On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 09:20 +0100, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: For me it's also finger-usable keyboard - just like the one in Qtopia. With that you can operate your phone without stylus (in most cases). Chris has worked on a multi-tap input method: http://chrislord.net/blog/Software/multitap-pad.enlighten That's wonderful news! What I also like in Qtopia's keyboard is ability to switch between number, symbol and letters keyboard by moving you finger down or up on keyboard. Obviously T9 will not be implemented due to patent issues. I will ask him if the source is available anywhere. T9 is not necessary important (i.e. I do not use english on my phone so probably I would need to hack it to include polish T9 database). It is useful in SMSes but not on writing URLs or console ;) cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joseph J. McCarthy, Associate Professor and William Kepler Whiteford Faculty Fellow Department of Chemical and Petroleum Engineering University of Pittsburgh 1249 Benedum Hall Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15261 Ph. 412-624-7362; Fax 412-624-9639 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://granular.che.pitt.edu ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
On Wednesday 05 December 2007 10:14, Thomas Wood wrote: Obviously T9 will not be implemented due to patent issues. I will ask him if the source is available anywhere. Do you (or anyone else) happen to have any background on this T9 patent issue? I seem to find a US Patent and some stories about US lawsuits, but I'm not sure the patent really is a problem outside of the US. It might just be possibly to publish T9 capable software when it is developed and hosted outside the US. I at least like to believe I can still publish any piece of software here, without having to worry about stupid patents, and frankly T9 seems to be pretty trivial to implement. We would have to name it differently tough, T9 is a trademark of Tegic Communications... AVee -- Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Dnia środa, 5 grudnia 2007, Krzysztof Kajkowski napisał: T9 is not necessary important (i.e. I do not use english on my phone so probably I would need to hack it to include polish T9 database). It is useful in SMSes but not on writing URLs or console ;) T9 is useful not only in SMSes but also in events, notes, todos, contacts and other places where you input text. My current phone (SE k750i) give s me T9 in all those places. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant punk's not dead. it just smells that way. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Wiadomość napisana w dniu Dec 5, 2007, o godz 12:51 AM, przez Jon Phillips: Priorities for mass usage: 1. phone working 2. acceptable battery life (1 full day without charge) Am I wrong? For me it's also finger-usable keyboard - just like the one in Qtopia. With that you can operate your phone without stylus (in most cases). cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Wiadomość napisana w dniu Dec 5, 2007, o godz 10:14 AM, przez Thomas Wood: On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 09:20 +0100, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: For me it's also finger-usable keyboard - just like the one in Qtopia. With that you can operate your phone without stylus (in most cases). Chris has worked on a multi-tap input method: http://chrislord.net/blog/Software/multitap-pad.enlighten That's wonderful news! What I also like in Qtopia's keyboard is ability to switch between number, symbol and letters keyboard by moving you finger down or up on keyboard. Obviously T9 will not be implemented due to patent issues. I will ask him if the source is available anywhere. T9 is not necessary important (i.e. I do not use english on my phone so probably I would need to hack it to include polish T9 database). It is useful in SMSes but not on writing URLs or console ;) cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 09:20 +0100, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: Wiadomość napisana w dniu Dec 5, 2007, o godz 12:51 AM, przez Jon Phillips: Priorities for mass usage: 1. phone working 2. acceptable battery life (1 full day without charge) Am I wrong? For me it's also finger-usable keyboard - just like the one in Qtopia. With that you can operate your phone without stylus (in most cases). Chris has worked on a multi-tap input method: http://chrislord.net/blog/Software/multitap-pad.enlighten Obviously T9 will not be implemented due to patent issues. I will ask him if the source is available anywhere. Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SMS is required + fix for battery drained isse (was: 2007.11 snapshot available)
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 01:45 +0100, Bernhard Kaindl wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Jon Phillips wrote: [...] So can we __please__ put the thought of text messaging (SMS) being optional for mass __usage__ (not resting, as it's now) to rest now? Of course it's not neccesary if you do not plan to ready the Neo for mass-sales in the next 5 years. By then maybe everying is done thru mails, but for now, it's all still done thru SMS in middle Europe at least. BTW, SMS works with Qtopia: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo1973 The latest snapshot includes the first alpha version of the Messages application which allows you to send and receive SMS messages. Unfortunately there is a bug which means it won't display messages from unknown contacts (i.e. people not in the address book), but expect that to be fixed in the updates very soon. [...] Either the 500mA charging has to be available at all times (also when the battery is is completely empty), or a charger which is able to instatanously power-on the Neo so that there is no interruption in phone use when the battery is completely drained must be provided. I can confirm that GTA02 fixes this - you do not even need a battery in the device to use it if the USB cable is connected. I've heard that the Nokia DT-14 charges the Neo battery about 75%, which should be enough to revive them. Regards, Thomas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Peter Rasmussen wrote: I didn't get very far with a SIM card in my GTA01, because the PIN I enter isn't accepted, even though it is correct. This sounds like http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 Could you please try to a) submit the PIN once OK, I did. It takes a few seconds before it accepts the first digit, but after that it is with a more 'normal' delay. b) press cancel for all subsequently appearing PIN dialogs OK, after twice hitting Cancel, the dialog stopped appearing. c) use the gsm panel applet to power on the antenna and then autoregister. This didn't seem to be necessary, as a popup appeared (before the first PIN dialog re-appeared) that told me it had connected to my mobile service provider's network. I checked out bug #1028, and yes, even with the limited info there, it seems to be the same. A couple of seconds later you should see a popup with your mobile service provider appearing. I could then make phone calls, but it seemed that when the other end drops the connection, my Neo doesn't detect it and stays up until I explicitly drop the call myself. Is this a known problem? Peter ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
I didn't get very far with a SIM card in my GTA01, because the PIN I enter isn't accepted, even though it is correct. Is that a telephony related bug? However, It is great to see support for SDHC, as I could now access such a flash card. Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/ While there are lot of bugs fixed, there are more. Please use the bugzilla to report these. When you report telephony related bugs, it's helpful for us if you include /tmp/gsm.log for reference. Thanks. Regards, :M: ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 17:51 +0100, Peter Rasmussen wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Peter Rasmussen wrote: I didn't get very far with a SIM card in my GTA01, because the PIN I enter isn't accepted, even though it is correct. This sounds like http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 Could you please try to a) submit the PIN once OK, I did. It takes a few seconds before it accepts the first digit, but after that it is with a more 'normal' delay. b) press cancel for all subsequently appearing PIN dialogs OK, after twice hitting Cancel, the dialog stopped appearing. c) use the gsm panel applet to power on the antenna and then autoregister. This didn't seem to be necessary, as a popup appeared (before the first PIN dialog re-appeared) that told me it had connected to my mobile service provider's network. Could you let us know a bit more about your SIM card, e.g. service provider, type of service? If you get the chance, please update your openmoko-dialer2 package to the latest SVN revision, as I have just committed an updated solution to bug 1028. Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Peter Rasmussen wrote: I checked out bug #1028, and yes, even with the limited info there, it seems to be the same. Thanks for confirming! That was the least I could do! A couple of seconds later you should see a popup with your mobile service provider appearing. I could then make phone calls, but it seemed that when the other end drops the connection, my Neo doesn't detect it and stays up until I explicitly drop the call myself. Is this a known problem? Unfortunately yes, sorry. gsmd team and dialer team are working to fix this asap. Actually, now being able to both dial and receive phone calls, this issue moves down the 'issue ladder' for me. It doesn't work in a sexy way, but it works! What I would rather like to see now is working text messaging (SMS) and better battery life, because then I could switch my regular mobile phone to the Neo for every day usage, and that would put many more testing hours into it. Right now, it is only after I come home and have time sitting down with it that I can fiddle and test it, and that makes a huge difference. If emphasis could also be put into providing more characters in the text messaging, eg. European, Japanese and Chinese characters, that would be helpful, too. You know, text messaging in Europe and Asia is sometimes more important than voice. Then, having a USB mode = Mass Storage, so that when powered up, or in the boot loader mode, being able to directly access the SD or SDHC flash card would make access to it easier and less demanding with moving the flash card back and forth between the Neo and a reader, when populating it with a new kernel and rootfs image. How and when do you suppose that is coming along? In general, how do I put such functionality road map priority wishes through? Bugzilla? Or is that only for actual defects? Thanks, Peter ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Priorities for mass usage: 1. phone working 2. acceptable battery life (1 full day without charge) Am I wrong? Jon On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 22:29 +0100, Peter Rasmussen wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Peter Rasmussen wrote: I checked out bug #1028, and yes, even with the limited info there, it seems to be the same. Thanks for confirming! That was the least I could do! A couple of seconds later you should see a popup with your mobile service provider appearing. I could then make phone calls, but it seemed that when the other end drops the connection, my Neo doesn't detect it and stays up until I explicitly drop the call myself. Is this a known problem? Unfortunately yes, sorry. gsmd team and dialer team are working to fix this asap. Actually, now being able to both dial and receive phone calls, this issue moves down the 'issue ladder' for me. It doesn't work in a sexy way, but it works! What I would rather like to see now is working text messaging (SMS) and better battery life, because then I could switch my regular mobile phone to the Neo for every day usage, and that would put many more testing hours into it. Right now, it is only after I come home and have time sitting down with it that I can fiddle and test it, and that makes a huge difference. If emphasis could also be put into providing more characters in the text messaging, eg. European, Japanese and Chinese characters, that would be helpful, too. You know, text messaging in Europe and Asia is sometimes more important than voice. Then, having a USB mode = Mass Storage, so that when powered up, or in the boot loader mode, being able to directly access the SD or SDHC flash card would make access to it easier and less demanding with moving the flash card back and forth between the Neo and a reader, when populating it with a new kernel and rootfs image. How and when do you suppose that is coming along? In general, how do I put such functionality road map priority wishes through? Bugzilla? Or is that only for actual defects? Thanks, Peter -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note: the contents of this email are not intended to be legal advice nor should they be relied upon as or represented to be legal advice. Jon Phillips does not represent any organization through this email address. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SMS is required + fix for battery drained isse (was: 2007.11 snapshot available)
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Jon Phillips wrote: Priorities for mass usage: 1. phone working 2. acceptable battery life (1 full day without charge) Am I wrong? It depends how you define as mass and usage. Maybe it is enough for the US, but if you define the average European mobile phone user a part of mass, then you are wrong and yes, text text messaging (SMS) is an absolute requirement for European mobile phone users. While some die-hard developers (even European ones) may consider SMS an obsolete concept which was there before email over GPRS was possible, SMS is still an essential communication medium in Europe which is even an requirement for feasible mobile phone (GSM) use in middle-Europe, at least. While it could be just considered convinient to be able to exchange information with people which are in meetings, lectures or a libraries for study where they cannot talk (one friend, I __can__ only contact by SMS) and even if you would put aside that it is part of culture to exchange private SMS messages in Europe (and I assume also Asia), there is one additional reason why it's not a practical solution to live without SMS in middle-europe: There are several reasons why one is not reachable all the time even with the Neo: One might be out of network coverage, out of battery, in meetings, lectures, libraries or (e.g. movie) theater, or sleeping and for that people in Europe use a mobile phone box which every german network provider provides as part of their standard offerings. These mobile phone boxes inform the called person of received calls and voice messages over SMS. If you do not get these SMS, you'd have to constantly poll the voice mail box, you'd never get to know about people trying to call you but not leaving a message and the polling would get pretty expensive when you are abroad due to roaming costs. So can we __please__ put the thought of text messaging (SMS) being optional for mass __usage__ (not resting, as it's now) to rest now? Of course it's not neccesary if you do not plan to ready the Neo for mass-sales in the next 5 years. By then maybe everying is done thru mails, but for now, it's all still done thru SMS in middle Europe at least. BTW, SMS works with Qtopia: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo1973 Thanks. Besides, the SD card is not very practical to use if you do not have a way to exchange from the outide without hasse (means: whithout having to remove the back cover, battery, sim card and have both SIM and SD mounted in this fragile way). So I agree: Mass Storage mode for the SD card would be something expected by the average user here as well. Of course, standby (suspend time) of more than a day would also be required, and it's also not tolerable that the Neo sits dead on the USB cord for lots of hours when the battery is drained: Either the 500mA charging has to be available at all times (also when the battery is is completely empty), or a charger which is able to instatanously power-on the Neo so that there is no interruption in phone use when the battery is completely drained must be provided. Alternatively, an additional battery for replacing the drained battery, to power the device would be needed. Otherwise, OpenMoko == mobile Phone is a big joke for me. Bernhard - A GTA01v4 owner who will not be able to use a GTA02 as phone if the charging issue is not fixed, the suspend time issue is not fixed in the GTA02 and SMS is not provided. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SMS is required + fix for battery drained isse (was: 2007.11 snapshot available)
On Dec 4, 2007 5:45 PM, Bernhard Kaindl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it is enough for the US, but if you define the average European mobile phone user a part of mass, then you are wrong and yes, text text messaging (SMS) is an absolute requirement for European mobile Plenty of people use SMS in the US too, especially teenagers. More would use it if certain GSM carriers didn't charge extra for each individual message, both sending and receiving (shame on you TMobile in this regard). Besides, the SD card is not very practical to use if you do not have a way to exchange from the outide without hasse (means: whithout having to remove the back cover, battery, sim card and have both SIM and SD mounted in this fragile way). So I agree: Mass Storage mode for the I agree wholeheartedly but if we're talking about hardware mods, I could come up with quite a laundry list: - slide-in SIM slot (like A1200) rather than any of the kind with flip-over covers; or one that's accessible from outside, like an SD card - SD slot accessible from outside is mandatory (maybe even full-size SD if there could be space - like E680i) - make it as slim as possible (half as thick? well I'm dreaming) but a little wider is OK if necessary (bigger screen is fine too) - get rid of that hanger hole - make the touchscreen flush with the front, not recessed - stylus storage - multi-touch - quad-band - two buttons on the front for call/answer (green) and hangup/back-to-main-menu (red), backlit - NFC radio (near-field communications) - wifi (but that's planned) - sane GPS chip (but that's planned) - antenna jacks for the radios (WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS) - work with existing USB charger cables (detect the resistors in them and go to 500mA) The Motorola A780 has the best slot for a MicroSD that I've ever seen on any device. It acts just like a regular full-size SD slot - push the card in to install, and push again to make it pop back out. It pops out far enough that you can easily grab it. And the slot is accessible without removing the back cover (although there is a little rubber cover over that area, to keep it clean presumably). The SIM slot could potentially be built like that too. I guess the goal hasn't been sexy hardware, just hacker-friendly, right? But before being sexy it could at least have really excellent usability. Either the 500mA charging has to be available at all times (also when the battery is is completely empty), or a charger which is able to instatanously power-on the Neo so that there is no interruption in phone use when the battery is completely drained must be provided. At least, if everyone insists that it's dangerous to draw 500mA without asking (even though so many devices do just that), we could at least have an easily accessible menu to turn on the 500mA charging (but it's a pain to do that every time you plug in to charge). Or detect the resistors embedded in USB charger cables. Or FIC could sell chargers which are smart enough to answer when the Neo tries to ask for 500mA (both AC kind and 12V kind). A desktop charger would be nice (but I assume some existing Nokia ones from ebay will work? I haven't tried yet) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Peter Rasmussen wrote: I didn't get very far with a SIM card in my GTA01, because the PIN I enter isn't accepted, even though it is correct. This sounds like http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 Could you please try to a) submit the PIN once b) press cancel for all subsequently appearing PIN dialogs c) use the gsm panel applet to power on the antenna and then autoregister. A couple of seconds later you should see a popup with your mobile service provider appearing. -- - Michael Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Peter Rasmussen wrote: I checked out bug #1028, and yes, even with the limited info there, it seems to be the same. Thanks for confirming! A couple of seconds later you should see a popup with your mobile service provider appearing. I could then make phone calls, but it seemed that when the other end drops the connection, my Neo doesn't detect it and stays up until I explicitly drop the call myself. Is this a known problem? Unfortunately yes, sorry. gsmd team and dialer team are working to fix this asap. -- - Michael Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2007.11 snapshot available
http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/ While there are lot of bugs fixed, there are more. Please use the bugzilla to report these. When you report telephony related bugs, it's helpful for us if you include /tmp/gsm.log for reference. Thanks. Regards, :M: -- Michael 'Mickey' Lauer | IT-Freelancer | http://www.vanille-media.de ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
