Re: "5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G", Recommends the FreeRunner.
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:02 AM, kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 12 July 2008 06:00:48 Dylan Semler wrote: > > I wouldn't want to promote that article too much. It's written like it's > > complete FUD: it makes outrageous claims and doesn't cite any sources. I > > myself have a hard time believing two of the five points: > > > > * "iPhone completely blocks free software. Developers must pay a tax to > > Apple, who becomes the sole authority over what can and can't be on > > everyone's phones." I can believe that Apple has authority over some > > central official repository of software, but do they really prevent > people > > from distributing software independently? If there is no way to get > > software on the iPhone without going through Apple, how does anyone test > > their applications before releasing them? If there is a way to > distribute > > software indepentent of Apple, do iPhones check the liscense of the app > and > > "completely block free software"? > > > > this may be informative: > http://www.linux.com/feature/131752 > > Wow, thanks for the link, that explains everything. I guess the FSF article is more accurate than I thought. -- Dylan Type faster. Use Dvorak: http://dvzine.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: "5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G", Recommends the FreeRunner.
On Saturday 12 July 2008 06:00:48 Dylan Semler wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Kelvie Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Friday, July 11, 2008 19:56:29 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: > > > Nigel wrote: > > > > http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g/ > > > > > > Thanks for sharing this. Please, to reach more people digg it at: > > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Or, digg the original at: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_real_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G > > I wouldn't want to promote that article too much. It's written like it's > complete FUD: it makes outrageous claims and doesn't cite any sources. I > myself have a hard time believing two of the five points: > > * "iPhone completely blocks free software. Developers must pay a tax to > Apple, who becomes the sole authority over what can and can't be on > everyone's phones." I can believe that Apple has authority over some > central official repository of software, but do they really prevent people > from distributing software independently? If there is no way to get > software on the iPhone without going through Apple, how does anyone test > their applications before releasing them? If there is a way to distribute > software indepentent of Apple, do iPhones check the liscense of the app and > "completely block free software"? > this may be informative: http://www.linux.com/feature/131752 > * "iPhone won't play patent- and DRM-free formats like Ogg Vorbis and > Theora." If you can install third-party apps, you can probably install > third-party codecs and media players. > probably, but as apple acts as the guardian of the gates, they can say exactly what can and cant be allowed. only other option is jailbreak, and i dont know how many wants to risk their warranty doing that. > The tone of the article deminishes the credibilty of the auther and it's > obvious he's trying to push his agenda. I would argue that this article > serves the author at the detriment of the free software movement. It > provides him a public avenue to vent about the iPhone while the lies and > exaggerations alianate those who don't know or care about free software. A > well written article with actual analysis and citations that doesn't resort > to slander or exaggeration would do much, much more for the free software > movement; for an example, see [1] about Windows Vista. > > [1] http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html i say the tone is classical FSF... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: "5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G", Recommends the FreeRunner.
Kelvie Wong wrote: > Or, digg the original at: > http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_real_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G Ops... I didn't see that. The digg search sucks (and I wasn't neither able to add the original link or check if it was already added)! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: "5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G", Recommends the FreeRunner.
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Kelvie Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday, July 11, 2008 19:56:29 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: > > Nigel wrote: > > > http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g/ > > > > Thanks for sharing this. Please, to reach more people digg it at: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G > > > > Thanks! > > Or, digg the original at: > http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_real_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G > > I wouldn't want to promote that article too much. It's written like it's complete FUD: it makes outrageous claims and doesn't cite any sources. I myself have a hard time believing two of the five points: * "iPhone completely blocks free software. Developers must pay a tax to Apple, who becomes the sole authority over what can and can't be on everyone's phones." I can believe that Apple has authority over some central official repository of software, but do they really prevent people from distributing software independently? If there is no way to get software on the iPhone without going through Apple, how does anyone test their applications before releasing them? If there is a way to distribute software indepentent of Apple, do iPhones check the liscense of the app and "completely block free software"? * "iPhone won't play patent- and DRM-free formats like Ogg Vorbis and Theora." If you can install third-party apps, you can probably install third-party codecs and media players. The tone of the article deminishes the credibilty of the auther and it's obvious he's trying to push his agenda. I would argue that this article serves the author at the detriment of the free software movement. It provides him a public avenue to vent about the iPhone while the lies and exaggerations alianate those who don't know or care about free software. A well written article with actual analysis and citations that doesn't resort to slander or exaggeration would do much, much more for the free software movement; for an example, see [1] about Windows Vista. [1] http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html -- Dylan Type faster. Use Dvorak: http://dvzine.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: "5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G", Recommends the FreeRunner.
On Friday, July 11, 2008 19:56:29 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: > Nigel wrote: > > http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g/ > > Thanks for sharing this. Please, to reach more people digg it at: > http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G > > Thanks! Or, digg the original at: http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_real_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G -- Kelvie Wong ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: "5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G", Recommends the FreeRunner.
Nigel wrote: > http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g/ Thanks for sharing this. Please, to reach more people digg it at: http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G Thanks! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
"5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G", Recommends the FreeRunner.
http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
