Re: AAVA Mobile?
Em 06-04-2010 15:05, arne anka escreveu: The issue is really what they mean by open. which of intel's hardware does not have open source, intel supported, drivers? if they really make all drivers available (as with their graphic adaptors and wifi), it would be more open than the freerunner, wouldn't it? Except that I don't expect them to make things easy on the following devices: * graphics card * gsm chip * gps chip * wifi chip * bluetooth chip While the Freerunner isn't perfect on all of those (independent computers running it's own firmware), at least none of them require you to run a proprietary driver thus restricting kernel, X11 and other basic software upgrades. They provide an AT command interface you can speak to the chip without blocking the rest. If it's at least as open as the Freerunner, I'm willing to accept that for the time being, while I wish a truly open hardware phone to come up. However, a truly open hardware phone will require funding by someone probably richer than Mark Shuttleworth, who has an interest in it :) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AAVA Mobile?
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 17:59 +0300, Timo Jyrinki wrote: I'm also not sure if there is any Intel WLAN hardware suitable for devices of this size (and battery power). I don't remember the name but there is, see http://free-electrons.com/pub/video/2009/elce/elce2009-ortiz-wifi-solutions-for-mobile.ogv for more details Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AAVA Mobile?
undrwater wrote: I'm wondering if this is a re-badged product discussed here previously, or something relatively new? Looks like something new. It isn't quite clear to me what semantics they attach to Open, in particular whether the openness is supposed to come from the mere fact of being an x86 platform and inherently PC-ish, or whether it also means an absence of binary kernel modules and similar kinds of joy. Or it could just mean that they'll license the design to anyone, which would indeed be more open than anything else on the market, even though at a different level. I'd also be curious about battery life. If they've indeed managed to make an x86-based phone with a battery life that compares to a good ARM-based one, that would be very impressive. There's of course also the question to what extent x86 matters for mobile phones today. In terms of processing power, already ARM seems to offer more than enough for most purposes. In terms of compatibility, they don't seem to aim for straight PC-compatibility anyway, and the concept of an app store, having been given a very pronounced shape by Apple, has changed the landscape. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AAVA Mobile?
Em 06-04-2010 07:02, Werner Almesberger escreveu: undrwater wrote: I'm wondering if this is a re-badged product discussed here previously, or something relatively new? Looks like something new. It isn't quite clear to me what semantics they attach to Open, in particular whether the openness is supposed to come from the mere fact of being an x86 platform and inherently PC-ish, or whether it also means an absence of binary kernel modules and similar kinds of joy. Or it could just mean that they'll license the design to anyone, which would indeed be more open than anything else on the market, even though at a different level. I'd also be curious about battery life. If they've indeed managed to make an x86-based phone with a battery life that compares to a good ARM-based one, that would be very impressive. There's of course also the question to what extent x86 matters for mobile phones today. In terms of processing power, already ARM seems to offer more than enough for most purposes. In terms of compatibility, they don't seem to aim for straight PC-compatibility anyway, and the concept of an app store, having been given a very pronounced shape by Apple, has changed the landscape. It's supposed to be Intel's Moorestown, which is aimed, I guess, at ARMs, so it should be comparable, at least. The issue is really what they mean by open. Nokia N900 is *not* open even if you can install another OS not blessed by Nokia, as important functionality is clearly missing. Same goes for many other open phones around the spot. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AAVA Mobile?
The issue is really what they mean by open. which of intel's hardware does not have open source, intel supported, drivers? if they really make all drivers available (as with their graphic adaptors and wifi), it would be more open than the freerunner, wouldn't it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AAVA Mobile?
2010/4/6 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de: The issue is really what they mean by open. So far I think it means we have not restricted flashing different software on the device, the restrictions can be added by you, our future customer with deep pockets, who will be selling the actual end-user hardware to people. I'll be glad if it would turn out otherwise and be more concretely about freedoms. which of intel's hardware does not have open source, intel supported, drivers? The embedded graphics hardware they have licensed from powervr. ie. poulsbo / GMA 500. Powervr chips are used on about all embedded platforms, be it as part of Intel's poulsbo or independently. There is no pure intel graphics hardware usable on embedded platforms. All of powervr related graphics stuff is currently worse than even smedia glamo regarding the state of free software drivers. I'm also not sure if there is any Intel WLAN hardware suitable for devices of this size (and battery power). if they really make all drivers available (as with their graphic adaptors and wifi), it would be more open than the freerunner, wouldn't it? If, and a strong if, then software-wise yes. I'm quite sure Aava can do nothing to affect PowerVR, if even Intel, Nokia and Canonical have not been able to squeeze free, functional and maintained drivers out of there so far. Then there is also the hardware schematics and CAD side of things, where FreeRunner has also a degree of freedoms. Of course the software side is the most interesting for us software people. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AAVA Mobile?
Random browsing brought me to the following page last night: http://www.aavamobile.com/ http://www.aavamobile.com/ I'm wondering if this is a re-badged product discussed here previously, or something relatively new? A search via gaggle came up with no hits on Aava Russell Dwiggins -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/AAVA-Mobile-tp4856130p4856130.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: AAVA Mobile?
|Random browsing brought me to the following page last night: | |http://www.aavamobile.com/ http://www.aavamobile.com/ | |I'm wondering if this is a re-badged product discussed here previously, or |something relatively new? A search via gaggle came up with no hits on |Aava | And by gaggle I intended to say nabble. Sigh. [Russell Dwiggins] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
