Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
You are probably not alone, these things should be disabled by default. I would chose to install a backdoor (I dislike thieves more than crackers) but it should be an explicit choice from the user. On 6/30/07, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Frank Coenen wrote: > True. But ones the thief removed your simcard I assume he will flash the > firmware... And then the theft-protection will be gone as well :-( > I've commented on this before. The user is not always the owner. This is clearest in the theft case. It's also a factor when you might want to give phones to employees or children. If I own the phone, I want the freedom to lock it down so hard that I can't get back into it with the debug board if I forget the password/phrase. And yes, this does imply some things - kernel preventing all access to the NAND from all but the root user, DFU/u-boot supporting password/passphrase/signed updates, and hardware support. Personally, I don't want a back door into the hardware where if someone has my phone for 30s, and a properly prepared laptop, they can boot an image from RAM with DFU, and install keyloggers/... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
That's right ... would be nice to have some sort of bios password, And still both of us would probably flash the frimware, an avarage thief wouldn't probably do this. Especially if he doesn't expect this. An other option is that you can register your phone as 'stolen', and the anti-theft software is reinstalled after first software update for the phone with your IMEI code. On 6/30/07, Frank Coenen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: True. But ones the thief removed your simcard I assume he will flash the firmware... And then the theft-protection will be gone as well :-( On 6/30/07, Buddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am pretty sure that if someone steals a phone, he wants to use it and > put a simcard in the phone. > The phone can call my own ISP and connect on a standard dial-up line. > The problem with sms is, you can sent it to your own number but can't acces > the sms till you get your replacement simcard, and you can't get a new > simcard with prepayed. > > > > On 6/30/07, Frank Coenen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The problem is of course that you can't sent sms/emails if there is > > no sim. > > And even IF there is a sim, you cant always sent emails since you need > > to have a data plan. > > SMS of course is an option. > > > > On 6/30/07, Buddy < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I have been thinking for a system like this sinds my last phone was > > > stolen :( > > > > > > What I would like is: > > > simcard is changed -> phone sents email/sms to a server. > > > Gives me the new phone number, a code to call the phone silent. > > > Possibility to call phone and open a remote terminal. > > > With acces to GPS data, and all personal data, my own and from the > > > new owner. > > > > > > Fuck with him for a while (sent delayed (with cron) a few sms > > > messages to his friends) change his agenda, etc etc > > > > > > Look him up at the most embarrassing place (work, school) and get my > > > phone back. > > > > > > > > > Buddy > > > > > > On 6/30/07, wim delvaux < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi sean and other OpenMoko-ers > > > > > > > > Just read an article on Slashdot (?) about the fact that lots of > > > > of our precious gadgets get stolen (or lost). > > > > > > > > Not being a hardware guy, I was wondering if one could > > > > build/integrate/stick > > > > to them some kind of 'anti-proximity' detector. > > > > > > > > This is a device that consists of a a central - costly ? - > > > > pockettable > > > > detector (that probes for a set of devices within a know list > > > > every now and > > > > then) and which you put in your pocket, or wallet or on your > > > > keychain. > > > > > > > > Around that device a 'cloud' of periferals exists (Neo, wallet, > > > > Phone, > > > > Laptop, ...) each tagged with a cheap ID which gets probed by the > > > > central. > > > > > > > > If any of the periferals fall out of range, the central beeps > > > > warning me - the > > > > owner of these nice periferals - that I am loosing one. > > > > > > > > I do not know if this idea is at all feasible (battery > > > > consumption, size, ...) > > > > or perhaps it even exists, but I wanted to float this idea. > > > > > > > > Suggestions comments welcome > > > > > > > > W > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
Frank Coenen wrote: True. But ones the thief removed your simcard I assume he will flash the firmware... And then the theft-protection will be gone as well :-( I've commented on this before. The user is not always the owner. This is clearest in the theft case. It's also a factor when you might want to give phones to employees or children. If I own the phone, I want the freedom to lock it down so hard that I can't get back into it with the debug board if I forget the password/phrase. And yes, this does imply some things - kernel preventing all access to the NAND from all but the root user, DFU/u-boot supporting password/passphrase/signed updates, and hardware support. Personally, I don't want a back door into the hardware where if someone has my phone for 30s, and a properly prepared laptop, they can boot an image from RAM with DFU, and install keyloggers/... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
True. But ones the thief removed your simcard I assume he will flash the firmware... And then the theft-protection will be gone as well :-( On 6/30/07, Buddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am pretty sure that if someone steals a phone, he wants to use it and put a simcard in the phone. The phone can call my own ISP and connect on a standard dial-up line. The problem with sms is, you can sent it to your own number but can't acces the sms till you get your replacement simcard, and you can't get a new simcard with prepayed. On 6/30/07, Frank Coenen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem is of course that you can't sent sms/emails if there is no > sim. > And even IF there is a sim, you cant always sent emails since you need > to have a data plan. > SMS of course is an option. > > On 6/30/07, Buddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have been thinking for a system like this sinds my last phone was > > stolen :( > > > > What I would like is: > > simcard is changed -> phone sents email/sms to a server. > > Gives me the new phone number, a code to call the phone silent. > > Possibility to call phone and open a remote terminal. > > With acces to GPS data, and all personal data, my own and from the new > > owner. > > > > Fuck with him for a while (sent delayed (with cron) a few sms messages > > to his friends) change his agenda, etc etc > > > > Look him up at the most embarrassing place (work, school) and get my > > phone back. > > > > > > Buddy > > > > On 6/30/07, wim delvaux < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi sean and other OpenMoko-ers > > > > > > Just read an article on Slashdot (?) about the fact that lots of > > > of our precious gadgets get stolen (or lost). > > > > > > Not being a hardware guy, I was wondering if one could > > > build/integrate/stick > > > to them some kind of 'anti-proximity' detector. > > > > > > This is a device that consists of a a central - costly ? - > > > pockettable > > > detector (that probes for a set of devices within a know list every > > > now and > > > then) and which you put in your pocket, or wallet or on your > > > keychain. > > > > > > Around that device a 'cloud' of periferals exists (Neo, wallet, > > > Phone, > > > Laptop, ...) each tagged with a cheap ID which gets probed by the > > > central. > > > > > > If any of the periferals fall out of range, the central beeps > > > warning me - the > > > owner of these nice periferals - that I am loosing one. > > > > > > I do not know if this idea is at all feasible (battery consumption, > > > size, ...) > > > or perhaps it even exists, but I wanted to float this idea. > > > > > > Suggestions comments welcome > > > > > > W > > > > > > ___ > > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
The problem is of course that you can't sent sms/emails if there is no sim. And even IF there is a sim, you cant always sent emails since you need to have a data plan. SMS of course is an option. On 6/30/07, Buddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have been thinking for a system like this sinds my last phone was stolen :( What I would like is: simcard is changed -> phone sents email/sms to a server. Gives me the new phone number, a code to call the phone silent. Possibility to call phone and open a remote terminal. With acces to GPS data, and all personal data, my own and from the new owner. Fuck with him for a while (sent delayed (with cron) a few sms messages to his friends) change his agenda, etc etc Look him up at the most embarrassing place (work, school) and get my phone back. Buddy On 6/30/07, wim delvaux < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi sean and other OpenMoko-ers > > Just read an article on Slashdot (?) about the fact that lots of > of our precious gadgets get stolen (or lost). > > Not being a hardware guy, I was wondering if one could > build/integrate/stick > to them some kind of 'anti-proximity' detector. > > This is a device that consists of a a central - costly ? - pockettable > detector (that probes for a set of devices within a know list every now > and > then) and which you put in your pocket, or wallet or on your keychain. > > Around that device a 'cloud' of periferals exists (Neo, wallet, Phone, > Laptop, ...) each tagged with a cheap ID which gets probed by the > central. > > If any of the periferals fall out of range, the central beeps warning me > - the > owner of these nice periferals - that I am loosing one. > > I do not know if this idea is at all feasible (battery consumption, > size, ...) > or perhaps it even exists, but I wanted to float this idea. > > Suggestions comments welcome > > W > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
I have been thinking for a system like this sinds my last phone was stolen :( What I would like is: simcard is changed -> phone sents email/sms to a server. Gives me the new phone number, a code to call the phone silent. Possibility to call phone and open a remote terminal. With acces to GPS data, and all personal data, my own and from the new owner. Fuck with him for a while (sent delayed (with cron) a few sms messages to his friends) change his agenda, etc etc Look him up at the most embarrassing place (work, school) and get my phone back. Buddy On 6/30/07, wim delvaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi sean and other OpenMoko-ers Just read an article on Slashdot (?) about the fact that lots of of our precious gadgets get stolen (or lost). Not being a hardware guy, I was wondering if one could build/integrate/stick to them some kind of 'anti-proximity' detector. This is a device that consists of a a central - costly ? - pockettable detector (that probes for a set of devices within a know list every now and then) and which you put in your pocket, or wallet or on your keychain. Around that device a 'cloud' of periferals exists (Neo, wallet, Phone, Laptop, ...) each tagged with a cheap ID which gets probed by the central. If any of the periferals fall out of range, the central beeps warning me - the owner of these nice periferals - that I am loosing one. I do not know if this idea is at all feasible (battery consumption, size, ...) or perhaps it even exists, but I wanted to float this idea. Suggestions comments welcome W ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
We could do this with GPS, too. You could have the phone export encrypted GPS location data every hour or so, and if you lose your phone then you can use your key to decode the GPS and find it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
Hi sean and other OpenMoko-ers Just read an article on Slashdot (?) about the fact that lots of of our precious gadgets get stolen (or lost). Not being a hardware guy, I was wondering if one could build/integrate/stick to them some kind of 'anti-proximity' detector. This is a device that consists of a a central - costly ? - pockettable detector (that probes for a set of devices within a know list every now and then) and which you put in your pocket, or wallet or on your keychain. Around that device a 'cloud' of periferals exists (Neo, wallet, Phone, Laptop, ...) each tagged with a cheap ID which gets probed by the central. If any of the periferals fall out of range, the central beeps warning me - the owner of these nice periferals - that I am loosing one. I do not know if this idea is at all feasible (battery consumption, size, ...) or perhaps it even exists, but I wanted to float this idea. Suggestions comments welcome W ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
