Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-14 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Hi All,

In the sight of upcoming delivery of our 10-pack, we wanted to get ready
to do some testing on the spot, ie when we get together and open our
boxes, to power then up and try to make sure that all of them work in
the 'similar' fashion (GPS, GSM, etc) so if there is a defective unit,
we could localize it easily since we will have a few of them and a few
of SIM cards to try ;-)

But if smth doesn't work, of cause, the best way is to lookup on the
wiki and we will not have (I think) internet connection on the spot. I
thought if it is possible to gently (smth not like wget -m
http://www.openmoko.org) obtain a copy of openmoko.org's mediawiki
content.

Brief googling lead me to few possible solutions (unfortunately
not non-intrusive into openmoko's wiki setup) such as

Mediawiki offline (thanks to Google Gears):
http://wiki.yobi.be/wiki/Mediawiki_LocalServer

But I wonder may be there is simpler/better ones like a dump of DB
without account information credentials, etc? Something like what
wikipedia offers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download
(which they actually closed and I see the reason with their sizes), but
they also seems to have a workaround
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikix


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Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-14 Thread Kurt Snieckus
GNU wget can recurse and download a site.
http://www.editcorp.com/Personal/Lars_Appel/wget/wget_3.html
http://blog.theunixgeek.org/?p=18
-Kurt

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> In the sight of upcoming delivery of our 10-pack, we wanted to get ready
> to do some testing on the spot, ie when we get together and open our
> boxes, to power then up and try to make sure that all of them work in
> the 'similar' fashion (GPS, GSM, etc) so if there is a defective unit,
> we could localize it easily since we will have a few of them and a few
> of SIM cards to try ;-)
>
> But if smth doesn't work, of cause, the best way is to lookup on the
> wiki and we will not have (I think) internet connection on the spot. I
> thought if it is possible to gently (smth not like wget -m
> http://www.openmoko.org) obtain a copy of openmoko.org's mediawiki
> content.
>
> Brief googling lead me to few possible solutions (unfortunately
> not non-intrusive into openmoko's wiki setup) such as
>
> Mediawiki offline (thanks to Google Gears):
> http://wiki.yobi.be/wiki/Mediawiki_LocalServer
>
> But I wonder may be there is simpler/better ones like a dump of DB
> without account information credentials, etc? Something like what
> wikipedia offers
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download
> (which they actually closed and I see the reason with their sizes), but
> they also seems to have a workaround
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikix
>
>
> --
> Yaroslav Halchenko
> Research Assistant, Psychology Department, Rutgers-Newark
> Student  Ph.D. @ CS Dept. NJIT
> Office: (973) 353-5440x263 | FWD: 82823 | Fax: (973) 353-1171
>101 Warren Str, Smith Hall, Rm 4-105, Newark NJ 07102
> WWW: http://www.linkedin.com/in/yarik
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Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-14 Thread Matt Joyce
mokopedia brings the whole wikipedia to your openmoko phone even while being
offline because all articles will reside on an attached microSD card.
http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokopedia/


On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Kurt Snieckus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> GNU wget can recurse and download a site.
> http://www.editcorp.com/Personal/Lars_Appel/wget/wget_3.html
> http://blog.theunixgeek.org/?p=18
> -Kurt
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko  onerussian.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> In the sight of upcoming delivery of our 10-pack, we wanted to get ready
>> to do some testing on the spot, ie when we get together and open our
>> boxes, to power then up and try to make sure that all of them work in
>> the 'similar' fashion (GPS, GSM, etc) so if there is a defective unit,
>> we could localize it easily since we will have a few of them and a few
>> of SIM cards to try ;-)
>>
>> But if smth doesn't work, of cause, the best way is to lookup on the
>> wiki and we will not have (I think) internet connection on the spot. I
>> thought if it is possible to gently (smth not like wget -m
>> http://www.openmoko.org) obtain a copy of openmoko.org's mediawiki
>> content.
>>
>> Brief googling lead me to few possible solutions (unfortunately
>> not non-intrusive into openmoko's wiki setup) such as
>>
>> Mediawiki offline (thanks to Google Gears):
>> http://wiki.yobi.be/wiki/Mediawiki_LocalServer
>>
>> But I wonder may be there is simpler/better ones like a dump of DB
>> without account information credentials, etc? Something like what
>> wikipedia offers
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download
>> (which they actually closed and I see the reason with their sizes), but
>> they also seems to have a workaround
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikix
>>
>>
>> --
>> Yaroslav Halchenko
>> Research Assistant, Psychology Department, Rutgers-Newark
>> Student  Ph.D. @ CS Dept. NJIT
>> Office: (973) 353-5440x263 | FWD: 82823 | Fax: (973) 353-1171
>>101 Warren Str, Smith Hall, Rm 4-105, Newark NJ 07102
>> WWW: http://www.linkedin.com/in/yarik
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Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-14 Thread ian douglas
Matt Joyce wrote:
> 
> mokopedia brings the whole wikipedia to your openmoko phone even while
> being offline because all articles will reside on an attached microSD card.
> http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokopedia/

Is this project still being maintained though? The latest tarball and
news are from September 2007, and the three forum messages in written in
2008 have gone unanswered.

For starters, the tarball should have its files packaged in a subfolder;
that's a pretty standard practice. Second, there are no instructions on
how to use it either in the 'Docs' section of the project site, or
within the tarball itself on how to launch the script or how to
configure it, etc.

It's bundled as a .cgi Perl script, which leads me to believe it should
be run from a web server, not from the Freerunner's command line as an
application.

Also, anyone testing this package will need:

$ opkg install perl-module-encode perl-module-encode-encoding

Running the script looks like it's just a web-based front-end for
searching a pre-built database, again which there are no instructions
for creating.

I, like others, agree that a mobile version of the OM wiki would be
invaluable. I can't imagine the strain on the wiki server from everyone
suddenly doing recursive wget launches ;o)

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Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-14 Thread ian douglas
Maybe we could get someone at OpenMoko to install a plugin for MediaWiki 
and export the content every night as a cron job on their web server:

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML



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Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-14 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
yeap -- this one would be sufficient for 99% of usecases I see ;-) nice
catch. Hopefully admins will see this thread (from my previous follow-up
CCed to them)

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, ian douglas wrote:
> Maybe we could get someone at OpenMoko to install a plugin for MediaWiki 
> and export the content every night as a cron job on their web server:

> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML
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Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-15 Thread john
A project I was on had a similar requirement of being able to search
and read documents offline on the iPhone *snarl*. Anyway, what I did
was port an excellent open source search engine called hyper estraier
[1] over to the iPhone and used that on various kinds of documents. As
a test I indexed over 2000 PDFs from MIT OpenCourseWare. It works
really well [2]. I used lighttpd for the web server. All these
technologies will work fine on the 1973/Freerunner. If there is an
interest in this I could package it up for Openmoko. There is also
potential for developing a native GUI local search tool using hyper
estraier because it comes with a C API and other language bindings.
This would remove the web server dependency.

John.

[1] http://hyperestraier.sourceforge.net/
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKKlkcZ6vYo

2008/7/14 Yaroslav Halchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi All,
>
> In the sight of upcoming delivery of our 10-pack, we wanted to get ready
> to do some testing on the spot, ie when we get together and open our
> boxes, to power then up and try to make sure that all of them work in
> the 'similar' fashion (GPS, GSM, etc) so if there is a defective unit,
> we could localize it easily since we will have a few of them and a few
> of SIM cards to try ;-)
>
> But if smth doesn't work, of cause, the best way is to lookup on the
> wiki and we will not have (I think) internet connection on the spot. I
> thought if it is possible to gently (smth not like wget -m
> http://www.openmoko.org) obtain a copy of openmoko.org's mediawiki
> content.
>
> Brief googling lead me to few possible solutions (unfortunately
> not non-intrusive into openmoko's wiki setup) such as
>
> Mediawiki offline (thanks to Google Gears):
> http://wiki.yobi.be/wiki/Mediawiki_LocalServer
>
> But I wonder may be there is simpler/better ones like a dump of DB
> without account information credentials, etc? Something like what
> wikipedia offers
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download
> (which they actually closed and I see the reason with their sizes), but
> they also seems to have a workaround
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikix
>
>
> --
> Yaroslav Halchenko
> Research Assistant, Psychology Department, Rutgers-Newark
> Student  Ph.D. @ CS Dept. NJIT
> Office: (973) 353-5440x263 | FWD: 82823 | Fax: (973) 353-1171
>101 Warren Str, Smith Hall, Rm 4-105, Newark NJ 07102
> WWW: http://www.linkedin.com/in/yarik
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Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-15 Thread Brian C
john wrote:
> If there is an
> interest in this I could package it up for Openmoko. There is also
> potential for developing a native GUI local search tool using hyper
> estraier because it comes with a C API and other language bindings.
> This would remove the web server dependency.

Please do package this for Openmoko!  This would be a very nice project,
with or without its own GUI.  I could see it being used on downloaded
versions of wikipedia or the Openmoko wiki.

It also would be interesting if it could be integrated into the online
Openmoko wiki, whose current search functionality is often complained about.

Brian

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Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-15 Thread Jay Vaughan
>> If there is an
>> interest in this I could package it up for Openmoko. There is also
>> potential for developing a native GUI local search tool using hyper
>> estraier because it comes with a C API and other language bindings.
>> This would remove the web server dependency.
>
> Please do package this for Openmoko!  This would be a very nice  
> project,
> with or without its own GUI.  I could see it being used on downloaded
> versions of wikipedia or the Openmoko wiki.
>

I second this!  I would love to have an 8-gig MicroSD card in my OM  
phone full of documents that I can access just like a normal search  
engine ..


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Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-15 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
and there is an extension for mediawiki
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Hyper_Estraier

and I wonder if 
Intelligent web crawler
is intelligent enough that it could skip diffs from mediawiki online
wiki. Sure thing for within-site use, it should index everything, but if
once again it sounds like a warning to use it against wiki.openmoko.org
by eager users.

Although
Supporting P2P architecture
sounds cool, may be if moko-mesh comes to reality at some moment, such
indexing could be distributed and 'shared' among moko phones

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, john wrote:

> A project I was on had a similar requirement of being able to search
> and read documents offline on the iPhone *snarl*. Anyway, what I did
> was port an excellent open source search engine called hyper estraier
> [1] over to the iPhone and used that on various kinds of documents. As
> a test I indexed over 2000 PDFs from MIT OpenCourseWare. It works
> really well [2]. I used lighttpd for the web server. All these
> technologies will work fine on the 1973/Freerunner. If there is an
> interest in this I could package it up for Openmoko. There is also
> potential for developing a native GUI local search tool using hyper
> estraier because it comes with a C API and other language bindings.
> This would remove the web server dependency.

> John.

> [1] http://hyperestraier.sourceforge.net/
> [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKKlkcZ6vYo

> 2008/7/14 Yaroslav Halchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Hi All,

> > In the sight of upcoming delivery of our 10-pack, we wanted to get ready
> > to do some testing on the spot, ie when we get together and open our
> > boxes, to power then up and try to make sure that all of them work in
> > the 'similar' fashion (GPS, GSM, etc) so if there is a defective unit,
> > we could localize it easily since we will have a few of them and a few
> > of SIM cards to try ;-)

> > But if smth doesn't work, of cause, the best way is to lookup on the
> > wiki and we will not have (I think) internet connection on the spot. I
> > thought if it is possible to gently (smth not like wget -m
> > http://www.openmoko.org) obtain a copy of openmoko.org's mediawiki
> > content.

> > Brief googling lead me to few possible solutions (unfortunately
> > not non-intrusive into openmoko's wiki setup) such as

> > Mediawiki offline (thanks to Google Gears):
> > http://wiki.yobi.be/wiki/Mediawiki_LocalServer

> > But I wonder may be there is simpler/better ones like a dump of DB
> > without account information credentials, etc? Something like what
> > wikipedia offers
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download
> > (which they actually closed and I see the reason with their sizes), but
> > they also seems to have a workaround
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikix


> > --
> > Yaroslav Halchenko
> > Research Assistant, Psychology Department, Rutgers-Newark
> > Student  Ph.D. @ CS Dept. NJIT
> > Office: (973) 353-5440x263 | FWD: 82823 | Fax: (973) 353-1171
> >101 Warren Str, Smith Hall, Rm 4-105, Newark NJ 07102
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Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-15 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
yet another alternative, which I've tried but failed on the first
attempt: import wiki.openmoko.org into tiddlywiki. Apparently there is 
an adapter for mediawiki but it failed to work for me (I sent a request
to dev list as well as to the author, so who knows). More information
about tiddlywiki (which is a really nice piece... self contained wiki in
a single file + search + all kinds of extensions)

http://www.tiddlywiki.com/
http://www.tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

more about needed plugin needed:
http://martinswiki.com/#MediaWikiAdaptorPlugin


On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:

> and there is an extension for mediawiki
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Hyper_Estraier
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Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-16 Thread matt joyce
That look so neat.

john wrote:
> A project I was on had a similar requirement of being able to search
> and read documents offline on the iPhone *snarl*. Anyway, what I did
> was port an excellent open source search engine called hyper estraier
> [1] over to the iPhone and used that on various kinds of documents. As
> a test I indexed over 2000 PDFs from MIT OpenCourseWare. It works
> really well [2]. I used lighttpd for the web server. All these
> technologies will work fine on the 1973/Freerunner. If there is an
> interest in this I could package it up for Openmoko. There is also
> potential for developing a native GUI local search tool using hyper
> estraier because it comes with a C API and other language bindings.
> This would remove the web server dependency.
>
> John.
>
> [1] http://hyperestraier.sourceforge.net/
> [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKKlkcZ6vYo
>
> 2008/7/14 Yaroslav Halchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>   
>> Hi All,
>>
>> In the sight of upcoming delivery of our 10-pack, we wanted to get ready
>> to do some testing on the spot, ie when we get together and open our
>> boxes, to power then up and try to make sure that all of them work in
>> the 'similar' fashion (GPS, GSM, etc) so if there is a defective unit,
>> we could localize it easily since we will have a few of them and a few
>> of SIM cards to try ;-)
>>
>> But if smth doesn't work, of cause, the best way is to lookup on the
>> wiki and we will not have (I think) internet connection on the spot. I
>> thought if it is possible to gently (smth not like wget -m
>> http://www.openmoko.org) obtain a copy of openmoko.org's mediawiki
>> content.
>>
>> Brief googling lead me to few possible solutions (unfortunately
>> not non-intrusive into openmoko's wiki setup) such as
>>
>> Mediawiki offline (thanks to Google Gears):
>> http://wiki.yobi.be/wiki/Mediawiki_LocalServer
>>
>> But I wonder may be there is simpler/better ones like a dump of DB
>> without account information credentials, etc? Something like what
>> wikipedia offers
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download
>> (which they actually closed and I see the reason with their sizes), but
>> they also seems to have a workaround
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikix
>>
>>
>> --
>> Yaroslav Halchenko
>> Research Assistant, Psychology Department, Rutgers-Newark
>> Student  Ph.D. @ CS Dept. NJIT
>> Office: (973) 353-5440x263 | FWD: 82823 | Fax: (973) 353-1171
>>101 Warren Str, Smith Hall, Rm 4-105, Newark NJ 07102
>> WWW: http://www.linkedin.com/in/yarik
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Wishlist Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-14 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Dear Syadmins, look below

> I, like others, agree that a mobile version of the OM wiki would be
> invaluable. I can't imagine the strain on the wiki server from everyone
> suddenly doing recursive wget launches ;o)

exactly my point. unfortunately mokopedia 
 * was wikipedia DB dumps oriented (thus cannot be applied to OM wiki)
 * is pretty much dead and ad-hoc from what I see

wget, wwwoffle etc spider downloaders are not an option even if someone
would craft very careful set of options to don't download wiki
diffs,logs,etc. I just installed wwwoffle to see what is the beast... in
few minutes it started caching wiki.openmoko.org, I said "cool", but
then I saw that it sceduled massive amount of diffs of wiki pages (which
sure thing are available) -- so I had to kill it.

I guess we should direct this question to the admin of OM wiki...
who take care about the website according to
http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac
where I was trying to comment on 
https://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1435
which is pretty much what we need for offline support
but got
,--
| Oops…
| Trac detected an internal error:
|
| OperationalError: database is locked
|
| There was an internal error in Trac. It is recommended that you inform your 
local Trac administrator and give him all the information he needs to reproduce 
the issue.
|
| The action that triggered the error was:
|
| POST: /ticket/1435
`---
thus I am informing them in this email that I was trying to comment on that 
1435 with

,--
| I would love to have dump service available.
| Recently I inquired community mailing list on either there is a
| reasonable way to get offline copy of wiki
| http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021713.html
| and sure thing first advices were 'to use wget' ;-) so, having official
| dumps (in a digestable format by some other tools, or even in pure DB,
| thus requiring LAMP setup) and may be incremental bin diffs to them (for
| a week or two) would help to avoid waste of bandwidth if someone needs
| an offline copy of wiki, which is pretty much the only source of
| information on howto/wtf/rtfm/anything about GTA phones.
|
`---
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Re: Wishlist Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-16 Thread Joachim Steiger
Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
> Dear Syadmins, look below
> 
>> I, like others, agree that a mobile version of the OM wiki would be
>> invaluable. I can't imagine the strain on the wiki server from everyone
>> suddenly doing recursive wget launches ;o)
well... google does that all the time (indexing) ;)

> exactly my point. unfortunately mokopedia 
>  * was wikipedia DB dumps oriented (thus cannot be applied to OM wiki)
>  * is pretty much dead and ad-hoc from what I see

? sorry, i would say josch would disagree ;)

see http://mokopedia.mister-muffin.de/

> wget, wwwoffle etc spider downloaders are not an option even if someone
> would craft very careful set of options to don't download wiki
> diffs,logs,etc. I just installed wwwoffle to see what is the beast... in
> few minutes it started caching wiki.openmoko.org, I said "cool", but
> then I saw that it sceduled massive amount of diffs of wiki pages (which
> sure thing are available) -- so I had to kill it.

yeah, would like to avoid that too ;) not that we couln't still take mor
e load, but somehow i like efficiency ;)

what i do not see is a 'standardized' format in which wikis like this
mediawiki can be dumped, diffed and synced.

the plugins into mediawiki seem stale, old and not applying on recent
versions of mediawiki. we use a quite recent 1.12

some advice from people deeper into mediawiki than us admins would be nice.

> I guess we should direct this question to the admin of OM wiki...
> who take care about the website according to
> http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac
> where I was trying to comment on 
> https://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1435
> which is pretty much what we need for offline support
> but got
> ,--
> | Oops…
> | Trac detected an internal error:
> |
> | OperationalError: database is locked
> |
> | There was an internal error in Trac. It is recommended that you inform your 
> local Trac administrator and give him all the information he needs to 
> reproduce the issue.
> |
> | The action that triggered the error was:
> |
> | POST: /ticket/1435
> `---
> thus I am informing them in this email that I was trying to comment on that 
> 1435 with
> 
> ,--
> | I would love to have dump service available.
> | Recently I inquired community mailing list on either there is a
> | reasonable way to get offline copy of wiki
> | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021713.html
> | and sure thing first advices were 'to use wget' ;-) so, having official
> | dumps (in a digestable format by some other tools, or even in pure DB,
> | thus requiring LAMP setup) and may be incremental bin diffs to them (for
> | a week or two) would help to avoid waste of bandwidth if someone needs
> | an offline copy of wiki, which is pretty much the only source of
> | information on howto/wtf/rtfm/anything about GTA phones.
> |
> `---

please try again. this should not happen. couldnt find a error in the
logs. weird tho.
if it doesn't work, afain, write me a direct mail and we debug it off list

kind regards

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Joachim Steiger
Openmoko Central Services

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