Community Update Draft
Hi all, since nobody else did for a while, I have taken the 2 minutes to create a new community update page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2011-05-01 Please add your content! Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update 2009-10-28
Hello all New CU released [0], there was not too much news in last two weeks, but here we are. Some applications and distributions updated, there is new keyboard app - Kbosd. Take a look at Community and Events section. As usual, draft for the next CU [1] made. For all developers and community members. Please do add information to community update draft pages when you have made something new, or want to do it. It's one of the best ways to spread the word about you work. [0] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2009-10-28 [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-11-11 P.S sorry for my ugly English. -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update 2009-10-28
Thanks! But I would say there are lot of news this time ;) thanks to all contributors. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
18th Community Update Released
Dear All, Here is the 18th community update for the period May 1st to May 22, 2009. This update has news about various distributions, applications and also new applications that have been released in this period. In the distribution side Hackable:1, Neovento has new release and Om2009 has the latest testing image -4 which was released today. There are a lot more application updates as well.You can read all this and more here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/May_22%2C_2009. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this . Regards, Sushama ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Draft of 18th Community Update
Hi All, The draft for the 18th community update can be found here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/May_22%2C_2009 Please feel free to add/edit any more information to the page.This update is for the period from May 1st 2009 to May 22nd 2009.The update will be released on May 22nd. Regards, Sushama ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
17th Community Update Released
Dear All, The 17th Community Update has been released. We have news from various distributions like the koolu releasing beta 6, SHR unstable to testing,Om2009, Qt Extended and aumid. Also, the application updates, events, new applications and so on. You can read the complete update from the link. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_30%2C_2009 Regards, Sushama ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Draft of 17th community update
Dear All, The draft of 17th community update is available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_30%2C_2009 Please feel free to add/edit any information that I have missed out. This update is for the period from April 18th to April 30th.The update will be released on April 30th. Regards, Sushama ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Draft of 17th community update
sushama wrote: Dear All, The draft of 17th community update is available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_30%2C_2009 Please feel free to add/edit any information that I have missed out. This update is for the period from April 18th to April 30th.The update will be released on April 30th. Something to add for the PyFlash notice: PyFlash 0.5 will have flashcards for all katakana, hiragana and different groups of kanji, with increasing in difficulty. Regards, Sushama ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Draft of 17th community update
Hello, Am Dienstag, 28. April 2009 schrieb sushama: The draft of 17th community update is available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_30%2C_2009 Please feel free to add/edit any information that I have missed out. This update is for the period from April 18th to April 30th.The update will be released on April 30th. looking at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page the Latest News shows a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_05%2C_2009 and the News in the Community box on the left point to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/March_20%2C_2009 If there's some automatic update routine, it already missed to put the 16th(?) community update to the news section: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_17%2C_2009? Regards, Martin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Draft of 17th community update
opimd now supports SQLite to store contacts (before there was only SIM and CSV backends), and Messages domain is fixed (but now there is only SIM backend). It still lacks support of editing and deleting items. http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/pim.py - there is some test app. In SHR mrmoku started GUI which uses opimd interface. It's libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 and can be installed from shr-unstable repo. I think that should be mentioned, as opimd and its support is really important :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Draft of 17th community update
Martin Bernreuther wrote: Hello, Am Dienstag, 28. April 2009 schrieb sushama: The draft of 17th community update is available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_30%2C_2009 Please feel free to add/edit any information that I have missed out. This update is for the period from April 18th to April 30th.The update will be released on April 30th. looking at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page the Latest News shows a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_05%2C_2009 and the News in the Community box on the left point to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/March_20%2C_2009 If there's some automatic update routine, it already missed to put the 16th(?) community update to the news section: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_17%2C_2009? Regards, Martin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hello, Sorry about that. I am just waiting to get the access to edit those pages. Will update these information as soon as I get that. Thankyou. Regards, Sushama ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 16th community update released
Yep , me 2 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Piotr Duda openm...@nemezis.eu wrote: [...] We will try to find out what people want. Anybody still downloading the GTA01 images? yes, me. and there are others. do not forget about us. regards and best wishes. Piotr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 16th community update released
On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 10:21 +0200, Marc Verwerft wrote: Yep , me 2 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Piotr Duda openm...@nemezis.eu wrote: [...] We will try to find out what people want. Anybody still downloading the GTA01 images? yes, me. and there are others. do not forget about us. regards and best wishes. Now that I have a fully functional gta01 and battery I will be able to start testing those images. I want to release gta01 iimage with the next testing release. It may not be the same day as the gta02 image gets releases but should be shortly after. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 16th community update released
[...] We will try to find out what people want. Anybody still downloading the GTA01 images? yes, me. and there are others. do not forget about us. regards and best wishes. Piotr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
16th community update released
Dear All, The 16th community update has been released. There has been lot more activity these weeks with the news of future release schedule and feature list of Om2009,Kernel milestone list for a stable kernel,new mailing list for GTA03 ideas and much more. Read on. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_17%2C_2009 I being fairly new to Openmoko, decided to take an interview of Wolfgang Spraul to post for the community update.This answered the questions I had on what work we would be doing post GTA03 suspension,where we are heading to,improvements and setbacks we as a company faced and more generally his views on open source.This helps me understand the process and company much more.I hope this interests some others too. Enjoy reading! 1) What is your background, for example your previous work? Tons of software, from filesystem drivers (MacOpener) to mobile applications (Documents To Go). Was involved in total failures (TI Advantra), a .com business (3Box in Germany), and 12 years with DataViz in Connecticut where I learnt an unbelievable amount of good stuff! When you start working somewhere, make sure you can learn something, and there are people you can learn from. I was just lucky. So I was coding pretty much every day of my life since I was 12 years old, for about 20 years until early 2007 when I took 6 months off to think about a new direction. 2) How did you get involved with Openmoko? I was following OpenEZX, and one day Harald (whom I had never met in person at that time) emails me saying he got an invitation to go to Taiwan for some phone project. I was sitting in DataViz's Connecticut office and thought wow - where is Taiwan and how come they are doing Linux phones there?. This was before Openmoko was started, maybe early 2006 or so. From then on it took quite some time, I had a lot of work to finish at DataViz, Harald introduced me to Sean whom I met for the first time at Paulaner in Shanghai in September 2006, for some good German beer and sausage :-) I finally joined full-time in August 2007 or so. 3) There is no shortage of recent fluctuation at Openmoko. What improvements or set backs have you seen since the project was initially launched? Oh wow. Too many, a book should be written ;-) Improvements were made mostly in Western software engineers understanding the Eastern hardware development environment and culture much better. So many people visited Taipei, we have a 4-bedroom apartment for visiting FOSS developers, we have shuffled so many people to SMT factories, our factory in Suzhou, etc. Vice versa, the English skills in our Taipei office have improved a lot (we hired a teacher). By now we must have one of the best English-speaking teams in Taiwan or China... Setbacks? It took us forever to get the buzz and other audio issues fixed, and until today we cannot really deliver it into the field. Distributors like Tuxbrain help us improve the situation, but we should have done better in the first place. Another one - although we realized 'lack of focus' and never-ending changes to GTA03 early on, we were unable to stop it, until it was too late and the whole design was ruined. 4) What is your take on Android? Great stuff. Google knows what they are doing, they have some of the brightest and best people in the industry. The challenge I see for them now is to demonstrate the cost savings that are typically associated with open source to their device manufacturing Hold Dena Bank with a target of Rs 43-50 and keep a stop loss of Rs 36, says Simi Bhaumik, technical analyst, on Zee Business. The stock is currently trading at Rs 40, up 9.1% on the BSE. » Send to friends partners. Right now I believe many OEMs are overwhelmed by the complexity of Android, and the furious pace at which it is developed. But over time Google will figure this out, and I believe Android will become a spectacular success. The first real 'network operating system' to me. Will show up in netbooks, notebooks, portable media players, digital picture frames, etc. And Google has a functioning business model behind it too, so the party can go on for a while. Lots of good open source software is written, maybe over time the community finds out how to extract and cut the best pieces into more modular libraries and packages. 5) There is a variety of opinions on what is 'open' these days. What is your definition of an open device? Most normal end users I talk to think that open means that a lot of interesting applications can easily be installed on a device. In that sense I believe that the Apple iPhone is leading the pack in 'openness' right now since they invest a ton of money and brains into their SDK/IDE, APIs, libraries, etc. And amazing applications come out of it. A second, older definition is the classical 'open' as in 100% Free Software. Openmoko extended this even further by also releasing mechanical CAD files under a Creative
Re: 16th community update released
Thanks, great interview. On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:30:34 +0800 sushama sush...@openmoko.com wrote: --snip-- I being fairly new to Openmoko, decided to take an interview of Wolfgang Spraul to post for the community update.This answered the questions I had on what work we would be doing post GTA03 suspension,where we are heading to,improvements and setbacks we as a company faced and more generally his views on open source.This helps me understand the process and company much more.I hope this interests some others too. Enjoy reading! --interview-- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Draft of 16th community update
Dear All, The draft for the 16th community update can be found here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_17%2C_2009 If there is some information I have missed out, please feel free to add/edit to the page.This update is for the period from April 04th to April 17th.The update will be released on Friday, April 17th Thanks and Regards, Sushama ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Draft of 16th community update
Has qtmoko, qtei, or latest and greatest made it on the community updates yet? If not I can add a little blurb about each. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
15th Community Update Released
Hi All, Thank you for the contributions. The 15th community update newsletter has been released and can be found here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_05%2C_2009 This update is for the period from March 20th - 03rd April 2009 As always we have more new applications,updates to some of the previous ones and more events that are happening.The last major event that happened was the Embedded Systems Conference in San Jose where Sean Moss-Pultz presented the FreeRunner mobile phone to designers and engineers. There has also been quiet bit of news with the buzz fix and the talk that Sean gave at the Openexpo- the challenges Openmoko faced and the future of it. Gta03 being no more,what we can look for in the future and the recent developments within Openmoko. Thanks and Regards, Sushama ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
The draft of 15th community update
Dear All, The draft for the 15th community update can be found here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_05%2C_2009 Please feel free to add/edit contents.I have not been able to gather much information about some distributions.If anyone could add some information regarding the same or anything else that I have missed out would be of great help. Thanks and Regards, Sushama ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The draft of 15th community update
sushama sush...@openmoko.com writes: Please feel free to add/edit contents.I have not been able to gather much information about some distributions. No wonder, never seen you on an IRC channel where most FSO and SHR devs gather and other important dev-related things happen. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
14th Community Update released
Hello lists! Welcome to the 14th community update, covering March 6th ~ 20th, 2009. As always, there was no shortage of news in the past weeks. Distributions including Om2009, Android and Qt Extended Improved all received their share of updates. The first Openmoko Programming Competition, hosted by Aapo Rantalainen and Risto H. Kurppa, was announced and the winner will now get a prize provided by the community, currently at 314€ and a leather case for Freerunner (39€)! A week later, a second contest was announced by Rakshat Hooja, where the current bounty stands at 125€. Discussions continued on the subjects of cool chess games, browsers on the Neo, and of course, keyboards (we love our keyboards), and much more. Be sure to check the newsletter available with links at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/March_20%2C_2009 Cheers, Will ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com wrote: Minh, On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Minh Ha Duong hadu...@centre-cired.fr wrote: 6. Tips and tricks * Howto get the wrench and QWERTY buttons in 2008.12 with the ASU theme. I followed the instructions, but misread the second step. It told me to 'put asu in /etc/enlightenment/default_profile'. So, I did 'mv asutab /etc/enlightenment/default_profile' and borked my default_profile file. Could anyone put this file either on the mailing list, or on the Wiki for me? Thanks in advance! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I have been very disappointed with the predictive input method. I have no trouble using the terminal virtual keyboard with a plastic stylus, the pointy top of a ball-point pen, or the point of a sharpened wooden lead pencil. Note: I do have a protective cover over the touch screen. I have been trying to figure out how to get the choice to use the terminal virtual keyboard to no avail. The instructions referred to above require a non-free (shareware) utility to extract a file (rar archive???). Surely the FreeRunner can be kept Free and Open. Note to Christ van Wilegen: my default_profile contains one line: E_PROFILE=-profile asu with a couple of line-feeds. I do hope we can have this choice. Cheerio! -- Fielder George Dowding, KL7FHX dba Iceworm Enterprises Debian GNU/Linux Lenny User Number 269482 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update
Try the links here - this list is from gentoo where its built from source, plus there are freeware packages (I looked at the unrar link) for most operating systems. * app-arch/rar Latest version available: 3.8.0 Latest version installed: 3.8.0 Size of downloaded files: 1,576 kB Homepage:http://www.rarsoft.com/ Description: RAR compressor/uncompressor License: RAR * app-arch/unrar Latest version available: 3.8.5 Latest version installed: 3.8.5 Size of downloaded files: 132 kB Homepage:http://www.rarlab.com/rar_add.htm Description: Uncompress rar files License: unRAR * app-arch/unrar-gpl Latest version available: 0.0.1_p20080417 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 135 kB Homepage:http://home.gna.org/unrar/ Description: Free rar unpacker License: GPL-2 On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 00:26 -0900, Fielder George Dowding wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com wrote: Minh, On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Minh Ha Duong hadu...@centre-cired.fr wrote: 6. Tips and tricks * Howto get the wrench and QWERTY buttons in 2008.12 with the ASU theme. I followed the instructions, but misread the second step. It told me to 'put asu in /etc/enlightenment/default_profile'. So, I did 'mv asutab /etc/enlightenment/default_profile' and borked my default_profile file. Could anyone put this file either on the mailing list, or on the Wiki for me? Thanks in advance! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I have been very disappointed with the predictive input method. I have no trouble using the terminal virtual keyboard with a plastic stylus, the pointy top of a ball-point pen, or the point of a sharpened wooden lead pencil. Note: I do have a protective cover over the touch screen. I have been trying to figure out how to get the choice to use the terminal virtual keyboard to no avail. The instructions referred to above require a non-free (shareware) utility to extract a file (rar archive???). Surely the FreeRunner can be kept Free and Open. Note to Christ van Wilegen: my default_profile contains one line: E_PROFILE=-profile asu with a couple of line-feeds. I do hope we can have this choice. Cheerio! -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Fielder George Dowding fgdowd...@gmail.com wrote: Apologies to Christ, that is two l's in Willegen. I hadn't noticed, no offence taken, and my phone now boots with ASU again. Thanks! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update
thanks for the update Minh! hadn't heard about Gwaterpas it's been added to opkg now btw On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Minh Ha Duong hadu...@centre-cired.fr wrote: Hi! This is the nineth Community Updates, January 12th issue. For the new year we interviewed Sean on everything that matters for the community: sales in 2008 were around the low five digits, om-locations is what remains of an ambitious mesh network project, and the most surprising development to him was the explosion of distributions. Back on the mailing lists, activity was rater slow during the first week of the year, but got more intense than ever after the holidays. Illume's keyboard received lots of localisations. Opkg.org reached a critical mass of packages. SHR and FSO are counting down toward their next milestone, while coding continues for kernel, drivers, Android and the like. It looks like the switch to 2.6.28 is going to happen soonish, before the switch to the Paroli phone stack. The newsletter is also available with links at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/January_12th%2C_2009 Contents * 1 Distributions * 2 New applications * 3 Ports and updates * 4 Community * 5 Hardware and drivers * 6 Tips and tricks 1. Distributions * SHR: According to Julien's latest on the SHR project blog, the baby is expected really soon now. * Marek announced the new organisation of package and images repositories. * Android: The latest compatible kernel has wifi and bluetooth working now. Suspend and reboot are still broken. * FSO MS5 should branch out for really soon now (the roadmap says release January 31st, but they want a longer stabilization period this time). It will be the first milestone that will have support not only for GTA01 and 02, but also for the Motorola EZX A780. meeting minutes. * Hackable:1 buildbot is up and running. Images are generated every morning around 4:00. Happy testing ! * User:Bytestore has updated assemblage 2008.12 from Russian community, work with gprs, headphone jack plug, ru keyboard and many other things were updated (download rootfs, see screenshots) 2. New applications * LED clock When an Openmoko is sitting unused at night, turn it into an alarm clock with large 7-segment digits on a black background in landscape mode. * GPRSsettings is a GUI script designed to change apn, login, dialnumber. * Samuel's script for a toggle wifi icon. * ylock 0.1 Python screen lock and low battery monits. * AppManager 1.0.1 Zenity package manager. * Mirko announced that pre-alpha Paroli was now packaged in testing. Development moved to their own domain: paroli-project hosts trac, git, blog and documentation. * Kurt's Gwaterpas allows to use the Freerunner as a leveling tool. * There are now 75 packages at opkg.org. Novelties include osmupdater (updates OSM maps directory), sortdesk (sorts the desk), MokoCard (flashcards learning aid), sms-sentry (query the unit's location by SMS, handy if it was just stolen), pyring (a key ring), EFpLayer (mplayer GUI), playstankontakarta (an icon displaying remaining credit with POLISH PLAY pre-paid phone provider), various illume keyboards and more. It was mentioned unofficially that Openmoko's community repository is going to be dismantled. 3. Ports and updates * Lots of Navit activity. Distributions are kindly suggested to package the sample map separately from the main binary to conserve space. * The opkg package manager development moved from OM svn to Google code. The recommended stable version is r172, there is a significant data structures+algorithm refactorization going on. * Version 2.4 of orrery is now available. It has a new schematic Solar System View page, showing the position of the planets and our moon in their orbits, a new moon calendar, and a less ugly icon. * The ZOMG! package manager is now available on opkg.org, and now allows to add/remove/edit repositories (i.e. feeds). * Angus updated BtGPS.py to work with FSO. With this script, the FreeRunner works as a bluetooth GPS. * Marco shared his success in compiling the latest E17 svn on 2008.12. There was trouble on SHR with the Elementary widget set, tough. 4. Community * Sean's new year interview * Rakshat Hooja's company IDA Systems will be at Mumbai's TechFest. There are gifts waiting for the first 10 FreeRunner owners to show up at their booth! * The Future of location services thread started as an attempt to clarify the GPS drivers tangle, and then turned to using GSM celltowers and wifi access points location information. Dima signalled that there are several free databases of GSM tower locations, and that his gta02 Perl script to query OpenCellID for the approximate tower location, and then initialize the AGPS with this data works great. There is a database of Wifi access points at wigle.net. * Two new mailing lists were
Re: Community update
Minh, On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Minh Ha Duong hadu...@centre-cired.fr wrote: 6. Tips and tricks * Howto get the wrench and QWERTY buttons in 2008.12 with the ASU theme. I followed the instructions, but misread the second step. It told me to 'put asu in /etc/enlightenment/default_profile'. So, I did 'mv asutab /etc/enlightenment/default_profile' and borked my default_profile file. Could anyone put this file either on the mailing list, or on the Wiki for me? Thanks in advance! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update
Hi! This is the nineth Community Updates, January 12th issue. For the new year we interviewed Sean on everything that matters for the community: sales in 2008 were around the low five digits, om-locations is what remains of an ambitious mesh network project, and the most surprising development to him was the explosion of distributions. Back on the mailing lists, activity was rater slow during the first week of the year, but got more intense than ever after the holidays. Illume's keyboard received lots of localisations. Opkg.org reached a critical mass of packages. SHR and FSO are counting down toward their next milestone, while coding continues for kernel, drivers, Android and the like. It looks like the switch to 2.6.28 is going to happen soonish, before the switch to the Paroli phone stack. The newsletter is also available with links at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/January_12th%2C_2009 Contents * 1 Distributions * 2 New applications * 3 Ports and updates * 4 Community * 5 Hardware and drivers * 6 Tips and tricks 1. Distributions * SHR: According to Julien's latest on the SHR project blog, the baby is expected really soon now. * Marek announced the new organisation of package and images repositories. * Android: The latest compatible kernel has wifi and bluetooth working now. Suspend and reboot are still broken. * FSO MS5 should branch out for really soon now (the roadmap says release January 31st, but they want a longer stabilization period this time). It will be the first milestone that will have support not only for GTA01 and 02, but also for the Motorola EZX A780. meeting minutes. * Hackable:1 buildbot is up and running. Images are generated every morning around 4:00. Happy testing ! * User:Bytestore has updated assemblage 2008.12 from Russian community, work with gprs, headphone jack plug, ru keyboard and many other things were updated (download rootfs, see screenshots) 2. New applications * LED clock When an Openmoko is sitting unused at night, turn it into an alarm clock with large 7-segment digits on a black background in landscape mode. * GPRSsettings is a GUI script designed to change apn, login, dialnumber. * Samuel's script for a toggle wifi icon. * ylock 0.1 Python screen lock and low battery monits. * AppManager 1.0.1 Zenity package manager. * Mirko announced that pre-alpha Paroli was now packaged in testing. Development moved to their own domain: paroli-project hosts trac, git, blog and documentation. * Kurt's Gwaterpas allows to use the Freerunner as a leveling tool. * There are now 75 packages at opkg.org. Novelties include osmupdater (updates OSM maps directory), sortdesk (sorts the desk), MokoCard (flashcards learning aid), sms-sentry (query the unit's location by SMS, handy if it was just stolen), pyring (a key ring), EFpLayer (mplayer GUI), playstankontakarta (an icon displaying remaining credit with POLISH PLAY pre-paid phone provider), various illume keyboards and more. It was mentioned unofficially that Openmoko's community repository is going to be dismantled. 3. Ports and updates * Lots of Navit activity. Distributions are kindly suggested to package the sample map separately from the main binary to conserve space. * The opkg package manager development moved from OM svn to Google code. The recommended stable version is r172, there is a significant data structures+algorithm refactorization going on. * Version 2.4 of orrery is now available. It has a new schematic Solar System View page, showing the position of the planets and our moon in their orbits, a new moon calendar, and a less ugly icon. * The ZOMG! package manager is now available on opkg.org, and now allows to add/remove/edit repositories (i.e. feeds). * Angus updated BtGPS.py to work with FSO. With this script, the FreeRunner works as a bluetooth GPS. * Marco shared his success in compiling the latest E17 svn on 2008.12. There was trouble on SHR with the Elementary widget set, tough. 4. Community * Sean's new year interview * Rakshat Hooja's company IDA Systems will be at Mumbai's TechFest. There are gifts waiting for the first 10 FreeRunner owners to show up at their booth! * The Future of location services thread started as an attempt to clarify the GPS drivers tangle, and then turned to using GSM celltowers and wifi access points location information. Dima signalled that there are several free databases of GSM tower locations, and that his gta02 Perl script to query OpenCellID for the approximate tower location, and then initialize the AGPS with this data works great. There is a database of Wifi access points at wigle.net. * Two new mailing lists were announced. One to discuss testing of all Openmoko Products. The other to discuss projects.openmoko.org administration. While we are at it, here are the number of
Community update draft
Hi, The draft of next Community update is at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/January_12th%2C_2009 Everybody is welcome to check for falsehoods, inaccuracies or missing bits of informations. Yours, Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update draft
Hello everybody, The DRAFT for next monday's community update is at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_29th%2C_2008 This is a wiki page, everybody is welcome to fix or add as usual. Thanks in advance for your eyetime, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update draft
Dear peers, The draft of our next Community update is available for review at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_15th%2C_2008 Cordially yours, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update, Dec. 1st, 2008
Dear friends, Good evening/day/afternoon (whatever your TZ is). This is our sixth community community update. Congratulations to Valério, he won the first 24h-coding prize at Sapo Codebits by turning freerunner in a mouse and gamepad using the accelerometers. Code will be merged with ReMoko. Another month goes by without a 2008.x release, but Openmoko's optimization team invites volunteers to install the latest testing image and report. And we have lots of newer applications. Contents (read the hypertext version at : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_1st%2C_2008 ) * 1 Applications * 2 Distributions * 3 Hardware * 4 Kernel and bootloaders * 5 Community [edit] Applications * A new Pong game. * Newrotate 0.5 is out, uses really little CPU now. * Gtkaddpoi 0.5 : software to add a Point Of Interest to TangoGPS. * neoqplayer 0.1 : codenamed frog. A media player that conserves CPU cycles. * First release of TwitterMoko, a twitter client for openmoko. * ShortOm 0.2 : an application/shell launcher. * openmoko-panel-plugin 0.6 : support for fso frameworkd milestone 4. * Unison works. It is a file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows. It determines all differences between two directory trees and lets the user decide, how to proceed with every differing file. * OpenMooCow 0.2. Mooes more, runs headless, tickleable. * AaTerm, an improved openmoko-terminal2. * Azmodie proposed a solution for right and middle clicking: Use the gnome accessibility tool mousetweaks (.deb). * Auxlaunch 0.6, a finger-friendly app launcher and window switcher. Bugfixes/integration update. [edit] Distributions * SHR: a newer snapshot is available. * ASU: The official 2008.9 image is back online without the questionable audio codecs. This month's 2008.11 is not going to see the light, but here are instructions to install the current 2008.testing build. It has all the goodies from optimization team (read their progress report, previous reports), i.e. about 1 minute boot and Volume control during call... The bug count is decreasing in the latest testing report. See also the previous testing report hardware revision A7 with capacitor was declared good for mess production ;). * For Android: Walter Chang made a soft keyboard. Rui Castro implemented an OnScreen Keyboard. It was immediately included in Sean's image, to be released at the usual page without mp3 support soon. Koolu posted an update on their release plans: they too are busy dealing with the audio codecs IP issue. * Following a post on the French wiki, the Distribution page was updated by adding FIVE new distros: Hackable:1, NeoPwn, RunningBear, Poky and PyNeo. [edit] Hardware * For an armband to hold the Freerunner while exercising, Gilles Casse recommends the UMC-3 from Case Logic. * Patrick Beck grafted a light on a miniusb - connector, to make an OpenMoko flash light. More lumens the bright white screen one get with the Flashlight script. * The official fix for buzzing is to add a 100uF capacity here and replace one resistor there. Technical details to be published in an Openmoko rework SOP paper. The company is looking at how to fix *all* devices sold. * The Calypso GSM firmware moko10 was released, it fixes ticket 666 for those users with 3G SIM cards. A few Indiana Jones types did try and follow the wiki instructions to reflash, most with success, some with hubris (def: excessive pride). For the rest of us, a user-friendly installer is being prepared. [edit] Kernel and bootloaders Big bad bug of the month prize goes to ticket 1841 white screen of death (WSOD) after resume. This bug shows itself only by cold weather! Nicolas Dufresne found out that the culprit was probably a too tight timing in the JBT driver. Hopefully this will be fixed soon now, and we can all switch to Linux 2.6.28 happily everafter. Developers must read Andy's explanations about kernel branch management. * Preview upcoming changes to the /sys directory. * Improvements to the touchscreen, backlight and accelerometer kernel drivers. * Qi gets lots of GTA03 love, audio back and a memory test ability (called when there are no valid kernels). * The opkg package manager was patched to cache downloaded files. [edit] Community * Removed the tagcloud extension that messed up with page formatting. * There are many links to nice Ringtones on the wiki, but the page and the whole topic need a good overhaul. * GnuPhone here we come: Sten Kvamme explains how to make a call from the command line (on FSO). * For your pleasure, here is the OpenMoko Jokes page. Thanks to the community, keep them coming ;) We (Coolcat and I) are also thinking about adding a pic of the week to the homepage, so stay tuned. * Courtesy of Dale Maggee, here and here are a few funny splash screens. Note that you already trust Dale
Community update draft
Hi guys, As usual, the draft is at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates Please feel free to fix/update/add whatever, the newsletter should go on Monday if all goes well. Yours, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update
Hello everybody, and welcome to the Openmoko Community Newsletter, for the November 3th to November 16th timespan. During these two weeks, we had FSO milestone IV and a testing SHR image released. Openmoko pulled the download server offline due to an mp3 copyright issue, they are rebuilding everything without any questionable codecs. Werner announced a firmware update for the GSM chip that will allow 3G chips compatibility. And there is movement again towards a better driver for the glamo graphic chip. Contents [hide] * 1 Distributions * 2 Applications * 3 Infrastructure: X and OE * 4 Kernel * 5 Hardware [edit] Distributions FSO team released Milestone IV 'Homework', see the OpenmokoFramework/Status Update 5. To accomodate the forthcoming release of other FSO API consumers like paroli or the SHR phone stack, three FSO-compliant images are build and released now: 1. fso-console-image: minimal system with frameworkd, no user interface manager. 2. fso-illume-image: everything in console-image plus X-Window, plus Enlightenment plus Illume window manager. 3. fso-image: everything in illume-image plus Zhone. Can be used for phone calls. Like previous milestones. But Zhone is going to be faded out. Debian: Joachim announced that the preferred installer script is now the one in the git. The old URL does redirect to it. Thanks mostly to Luca “Gismo” Capello’s great work, recent improvements include: 1. The use of the general auto-login script “nodm” instead of zhone-session. Session configuration can now be done by modifying /root/.xsession. 2. Device independent frameworkd and accompanying configuration packages. If apt-get upgrade breaks your FreeRunner, try to run apt-get install fso-config-gta02. 3. openmoko-panel-plugin installed by default (running in trayer), to provide keyboard toggle and device control. 4. The use of the packaged kernel instead of wget/tar. To get this going, run apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-openmoko-gta02 SHR is getting closer to a first milestone release. According to BillK and others who kindly tested the latest version, the ergonomy feels generally better than other distros. But its early days yet, if you need a phone use 2008.9. Julien Cassignol invites the braves out here to install a preview SHR-testing (wiki help) and join the Internet Relay Chat on #openmoko-cdevel on FreeNode. FDOM is considering wether to move to OpenEmbeded, as this would solve the source redistribution issue nicely. On November 12th, http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/ were taken offline due to the discovery of an MP3 licensing issue. Openmoko collaborates with the Software Freedom Law Center in New York on this kind of issues. [edit] Applications Aapo compiled a newer version of Numptyphysics package on Debian, which can be played landscaped, without keyboard and it uses same datafiles than any other numptyphysics-port is at: http://www.opkg.org/package_3.html. Signal Applications To Any (Audio) Network, or, ehm, SATAN, was born... This is a tracker to create simple music, or just jam on the train, bus or café. Debian users rejoice: openmoko-panel-plugin reaches 0.5. Show and modify you the state of the hardware in you FreeRunner(i.e. gsm, gps ...) with any gtk based windowmanager (i.e. xfce). (thread, download). Centerim, a terminal-based instant messager, ported on the freerunner (package, port page) In the wiki, the Applications and Distributions pages were revised. We are having trouble with an engine extention that eats up whitespace, the workaround is to wrap pre formatted text in pre tags. The thematic List of X applications pages are going away, we want to keep just one big directory style application linkfarm. The idea is that presenting applications in organized ways is better done by http://opkg.org . This directory already has 45 entries, please register and go populate it. [edit] Infrastructure: X and OE Reports from the optimization team have been landing weekly. They include patches to fix ticket 1884 ([suspend/resume] if press power batton right after suspend, the device won't wake up) and patches to improve the network registering time. The openmoko-mediaplayer2: dependency on pulseaudio was removed to use alsa instead. And various utilities should appear shortly in the distributions, including telnet, wget, tcptraceroute, wmiconfig, a bunch of X system fonts and more. The lack of GLamo OpenGL is still a major dark hole on the FreeRunner's phone liberation front. Hacker culture factoid: did you know that as a software project X is older and about as large as the kernel with a penguin on it, but has an order of magnitude less contributors to it ? Wolfgang from Openmoko wrote: If someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few
Re: Next community update
I would really like to see Wolfgangs call to the the community included; where he states that openmoko is searching for competent community dev's to start working on the glamo as stated on http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035768.html : Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very little ;-) So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge. Best Regards, Wolfgang yorick On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everybody, Here is the draft for the next Community Update: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates To anybody who has started a significant thread or contributed an important information in the mailing list: if you want to see that meme amplified, have a day. Yours, Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Next community update
Hi everybody, Here is the draft for the next Community Update: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates To anybody who has started a significant thread or contributed an important information in the mailing list: if you want to see that meme amplified, have a day. Yours, Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Next community update
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:21:38 +0100, Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everybody, Here is the draft for the next Community Update: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates To anybody who has started a significant thread or contributed an important information in the mailing list: if you want to see that meme amplified, have a day. Yours, Minh Under 'Hardware' where you discuss the GSM update you state: The goal is to fix ticket 666 and introduce a new command AT+CSIM. Than means 3G. There will be a self-contained update image that can be copied to a uSD card, then boots from there, and has a simple GUI to kick off the upgrade. 3G??? Where did that come from?? The hardware doesn't support EDGE, let alone 3G... j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Next community update
Under 'Hardware' where you discuss the GSM update you state: The goal is to fix ticket 666 and introduce a new command AT+CSIM. Than means 3G. There will be a self-contained update image that can be copied to a uSD card, then boots from there, and has a simple GUI to kick off the upgrade. 3G??? Where did that come from?? The hardware doesn't support EDGE, let alone 3G... i think he meant for the 3G SIM cards to work... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update, october 3rd 2008
Contents * 1 Distributions * 2 Applications * 3 Hardware * 4 Wiki and community * 5 From the stars * 6 Outside Openmoko [edit] Distributions * The big affair was the release of Om2008.9 Update on September 19th, the dot one ASU. Or was it a big non-event, because those who updated daily were already ahead when it was released ? Some users were surprised that the stable feeds do not update almoshttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updatest everything everyday anymore, but this is what stable is supposed to mean. You don't get the nice fixes in the latest kernel, but you don't get the nasty new bugs either. * Another big point release: Qtopia 4.4. It's now called Qt Extended, we will need to update that string on about ~100 wiki pages! * FSO repositories moved to http://downloads.freesmartphone.org. Thanks Beartech for the interim hosting. * A startup announced NeoPwn, a distribution geared towards penetration testing. I am not sure if they are shipping yet. Their hat color is unclear to me, their slogan is Own it.. before it owns you. * FDOM is really gearing up. They now have a mailing list, a code repository, and a mission. [edit] Applications * Sephora, settings manager in PyGtk for XFCE started. * Also, openmoko-panel-plugin went from 0.1 to 0.4. It is a gtk based plugin that draws the powerstate of some FR hardware devices(i.e. gsm, gps) to a gtk based panel. Theses panels are used i.e. in xfce4. so you can enable or disable the state of your gps receiver. * Brian Code from Koolu documented how he made Linphone, that is voice over IP, work fine for him. * A screen Rotate daemon was developed successfully. [edit] Hardware * Battery#DIY external battery pack from a Minty case, or how to run the Neo from batteries (NB: a pair of AA cells will not provide as much as 1 amp of current.) * Thanks to Claus and Lothar, the CAD files are now available in other formats (BRLCAD, IGES, STEP) * Michael negociated with a custom-case making company, they could build something more rugged/waterproof if the demand was high enough. [edit] Wiki and community * The Documentation Team recategorized everything using a two-levels scheme. Browsing should be is easier now, try it! Of course we now need to clean up the pages inside each subcategory, but at least the big POS is not many small pos. Divide-and-conquer. * We also organized the list of applications. Now there is a master directory, then detailed lists by topic, and then application pages. * Coming soon: Use google search, Add page in this category, Site directory extensions. * Some nice artwork flew by on the community list. Raster is still with us. Following some advertisement, the Desktop wallpaper gallery grew from 1 to 4 images. Keep them coming ! * We are having a defining hearts-to-hearts discussion on the community list in Risto's initiated thread The Lost Openmoko community. See also the Weeky Engineering News 38 for Om's plans to involve the community more in the release process. * Good things are the pipeline for the Community Repository, including a submit by web interface (tickets 1518, 1543) [edit] From the stars * There were many kernel patches about SD cards and bus speed. Confusion about which kernel version goes into which branch and about packaging strategies led to some module mismatch issues. * There are still interesting discussions on the kernel mailing list on the state of the wlan driver. For the rest of us, it means that the Wifi driver is still being actively developed. In plain English: likely to be full of bugs. * The alsa sound configuration still puzzle most users. I think that as long as alsa-mixer is based on a linear list of cryptic acronyms, we are in the dark. Internship idea: redo the mixer as a clickable image map based on the sound chip circuits. Make that work for all Linux distros. * Developers should be aware that the Meta-toolchain was refreshed. * The kernel guys have banged their heads together about how to send all their changes upstream. Conclusion: good luck, that is a tough job. [edit] Outside Openmoko * The leading websearch company released their mobile OS called Android, nothing was said about an Openmoko port. * Pandora pre-sells thousands of their handheld linux gaming console. Sorry if you missed it, the next batch will be for 2009. == Thanks to all those who are helping to improve the wiki. As for the last issue, this page can be fixed at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_3rd%2C_2008 And interesting events can be posted real-time at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates Yours, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update, october 3rd 2008
Thank you for this update. It is very nice to have a summary to get an idea about what new there is on OM World. Thank you Michele Renda 2008/10/6 Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Contents * 1 Distributions * 2 Applications * 3 Hardware * 4 Wiki and community * 5 From the stars * 6 Outside Openmoko [edit] Distributions * The big affair was the release of Om2008.9 Update on September 19th, the dot one ASU. Or was it a big non-event, because those who updated daily were already ahead when it was released ? Some users were surprised that the stable feeds do not update almoshttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updatest everything everyday anymore, but this is what stable is supposed to mean. You don't get the nice fixes in the latest kernel, but you don't get the nasty new bugs either. * Another big point release: Qtopia 4.4. It's now called Qt Extended, we will need to update that string on about ~100 wiki pages! * FSO repositories moved to http://downloads.freesmartphone.org. Thanks Beartech for the interim hosting. * A startup announced NeoPwn, a distribution geared towards penetration testing. I am not sure if they are shipping yet. Their hat color is unclear to me, their slogan is Own it.. before it owns you. * FDOM is really gearing up. They now have a mailing list, a code repository, and a mission. [edit] Applications * Sephora, settings manager in PyGtk for XFCE started. * Also, openmoko-panel-plugin went from 0.1 to 0.4. It is a gtk based plugin that draws the powerstate of some FR hardware devices(i.e. gsm, gps) to a gtk based panel. Theses panels are used i.e. in xfce4. so you can enable or disable the state of your gps receiver. * Brian Code from Koolu documented how he made Linphone, that is voice over IP, work fine for him. * A screen Rotate daemon was developed successfully. [edit] Hardware * Battery#DIY external battery pack from a Minty case, or how to run the Neo from batteries (NB: a pair of AA cells will not provide as much as 1 amp of current.) * Thanks to Claus and Lothar, the CAD files are now available in other formats (BRLCAD, IGES, STEP) * Michael negociated with a custom-case making company, they could build something more rugged/waterproof if the demand was high enough. [edit] Wiki and community * The Documentation Team recategorized everything using a two-levels scheme. Browsing should be is easier now, try it! Of course we now need to clean up the pages inside each subcategory, but at least the big POS is not many small pos. Divide-and-conquer. * We also organized the list of applications. Now there is a master directory, then detailed lists by topic, and then application pages. * Coming soon: Use google search, Add page in this category, Site directory extensions. * Some nice artwork flew by on the community list. Raster is still with us. Following some advertisement, the Desktop wallpaper gallery grew from 1 to 4 images. Keep them coming ! * We are having a defining hearts-to-hearts discussion on the community list in Risto's initiated thread The Lost Openmoko community. See also the Weeky Engineering News 38 for Om's plans to involve the community more in the release process. * Good things are the pipeline for the Community Repository, including a submit by web interface (tickets 1518, 1543) [edit] From the stars * There were many kernel patches about SD cards and bus speed. Confusion about which kernel version goes into which branch and about packaging strategies led to some module mismatch issues. * There are still interesting discussions on the kernel mailing list on the state of the wlan driver. For the rest of us, it means that the Wifi driver is still being actively developed. In plain English: likely to be full of bugs. * The alsa sound configuration still puzzle most users. I think that as long as alsa-mixer is based on a linear list of cryptic acronyms, we are in the dark. Internship idea: redo the mixer as a clickable image map based on the sound chip circuits. Make that work for all Linux distros. * Developers should be aware that the Meta-toolchain was refreshed. * The kernel guys have banged their heads together about how to send all their changes upstream. Conclusion: good luck, that is a tough job. [edit] Outside Openmoko * The leading websearch company released their mobile OS called Android, nothing was said about an Openmoko port. * Pandora pre-sells thousands of their handheld linux gaming console. Sorry if you missed it, the next batch will be for 2009. == Thanks to all those who are helping to improve the wiki. As for the last issue, this page can be fixed at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_3rd%2C_2008 And interesting events can be posted real-time at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates Yours, Minh
Re: Community update, october 3rd 2008
Minh Ha Duong wrote: * Another big point release: Qtopia 4.4. It's now called Qt Extended, we will need to update that string on about ~100 wiki pages! Qt Extended only refers to versions 4.4.1 and above. Any reference to Qtopia 4.3.x should remain the same. :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community written community update
Minh Ha Duong wrote: Hi all, We all love Community Updates, but that's a huge endeavour for one person to tackle. So let us try a little social experiment here: community written community update. I just posted an outlined list of bullet points at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/15th_September%2C_2008_-_Activity_since_launch The plan is to leave it to everybody else to elaborate along the following editorial guidelines: 1. Include everything that was hot on a mailing lists at some point since launch. 2. Limit each point to three sentences and one link. Yours truly. Minh, Volunteer wiki editor (Curious and impatient to see if it works.) Minh, While I think that the page itself it good, I think that including a date in the page title is probably not a good Idea. Perhaps either a series of pages Activity in month Year, or just one monolithic page Activity Since Launch would be a better way to go. For example, I've just announced NeoTool v1.1, but I did this on the 17th, which to me seems to make it inappropriate to add to a page titled 15th Sep 08... -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community written community update
This page looks very nice, i love it. Its very handy to be able to see whats happening at a glance. Thanks! 2008/9/15 Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, We all love Community Updates, but that's a huge endeavour for one person to tackle. So let us try a little social experiment here: community written community update. I just posted an outlined list of bullet points at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/15th_September%2C_2008_-_Activity_since_launch The plan is to leave it to everybody else to elaborate along the following editorial guidelines: 1. Include everything that was hot on a mailing lists at some point since launch. 2. Limit each point to three sentences and one link. Yours truly. Minh, Volunteer wiki editor (Curious and impatient to see if it works.) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
community written community update
Hi all, We all love Community Updates, but that's a huge endeavour for one person to tackle. So let us try a little social experiment here: community written community update. I just posted an outlined list of bullet points at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/15th_September%2C_2008_-_Activity_since_launch The plan is to leave it to everybody else to elaborate along the following editorial guidelines: 1. Include everything that was hot on a mailing lists at some point since launch. 2. Limit each point to three sentences and one link. Yours truly. Minh, Volunteer wiki editor (Curious and impatient to see if it works.) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community written community update
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, We all love Community Updates, but that's a huge endeavour for one person to tackle. So let us try a little social experiment here: community written community update. I just posted an outlined list of bullet points at: Great, cool to see that the community is given respect this way! And Minh, don't be too disappointed if it doesn't work.. It can take a long time and careful guidance to build a community that actually starts supporting itself.. I had a look at the site, it's great to see that you've already added that much stuff there. I too hope that the community - either the people who have done something or the rest who have been enjoying the work of others add the news there - and please, if possible, try to add a link pointing to a page where people can get more information about it. What FDOM, where's the patch for thisandthis bug and so on. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Update???
Justyn Butler wrote: 2008/4/29 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyway I do prefer they're working on shipping the Frerunners to us, than on writing here... Michael Shiloh is the community manager - he keeps the community updated so the devs don't have to take time off from developing to do it. Unfortunately I still depend on the devs telling me what they are up to, which I find is pretty hard these days, as they are all so busy. Steve has a slightly easier time getting the info from the factory guys, which is why he has been doing the updates lately. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Update???
2008/4/29 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyway I do prefer they're working on shipping the Frerunners to us, than on writing here... Michael Shiloh is the community manager - he keeps the community updated so the devs don't have to take time off from developing to do it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community Update???
Hello Steve, Michael, since the last official community update was a few week ago i just have a short question about the status of freerunner. As i understood Steves last Update the PVTs are done and MP is ongoing. OM is just wating for a shipable SW. Did i get thar right? Regards Andreas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Update???
Andreas Hennig wrote: since the last official community update was a few week ago Months? :o :| Anyway I do prefer they're working on shipping the Frerunners to us, than on writing here... BTW I'd like to read some twitter-form status-mails from them :) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Update???
Whi not have an official openmoko twitter stream? On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Hennig wrote: since the last official community update was a few week ago Months? :o :| Anyway I do prefer they're working on shipping the Frerunners to us, than on writing here... BTW I'd like to read some twitter-form status-mails from them :) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Do not forget shipping costs and problems with repair etc. If you have to keep sending devices back and forth to foreign EU countries. AFAIK, these are much more expensive than in the US. CU W On Monday 25 February 2008 22:48:08 David Pottage wrote: On Monday 25 February 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote: Ivo Anjo wrote: 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we will open the web store and begin taking orders. Does this mean that it will be possible to purchase openmoko from inside the EU, so there are no random customs taxes? That would be great! Hi Ivo, That is certainly our intention, which is why we have been trying to set up distributors in as many places as possible. The only one I know of so far is in Germany. Since that's in the EU, that should work for you, right? It would work, but the rate of sales tax is fairly high in Germany. Under EU rules, Europeans can buy stuff from anywhere in the EU, and pay the sales tax rate prevalent in the country where the shop operates instead of the rate in their home country. If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared with buying from a German web shop. Having said that, it is not a huge cost, and having a web shop any where in Europe is a great improvement over importing from the Far East. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re[2]: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Hello Gabriel, If I'm not totally mistaken, inside the EU sales to private consumers are taxed at the tax-rate of the seller's location. It's a little more complicated than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added_tax#European_Union Businesses can be required to register for VAT in EU member states, other than the one in which they are based, if they supply goods via mail order to those states, over a certain threshold. Amazon.co.uk, will charge me 25% Danish VAT, but momandpop.de charges me 21% German VAT, as they don't ship much to Denmark (they don't need to register in denmark, as they are small). I can't remember what a certain threshold is, but I think it's around 30.000€... -- Best regards, Thomasmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Marc Verwerft schrieb: Well, I live in Belgium and I can assure you that sales tax here is 21 % as opposed to Germany's 16 % ... It is 19% in Germany since 2007 ;( A lot of people are just crossing the border to Aachen/Koln to find 'cheaper' computer hardware (pc, pda, phone, digital camera's, ...) If all works out well you will be able to buy the devices from germany then, either from us or others who offer them. If you have a valid European VAT ID you can even buy without VAT. Is there any other sales tax you are referring to then? Well, there is of course customs that will add on the sales price - the customs due from Taiwan into the EU of course, there is none within the EU. The only major issue I still have is EAR (German term but also valid for other European countries as far as I know), i.e. the electronic waste regulation. For Germany it means that I as a reseller have to register (which is expensive!) at a piblic service center, tell them how many kilograms of electronic waste I am going to bring into public circulation (i.e. sell) and will then have to pay the waste dump cost for this. Since the Neo is not that heavy it should not be that much but the whole process is redicously complicated (and you have to deposit the expected cost at the *beginning* of the year!). This process is valid for all electronic devices you see nowadays with the crossed out dust-bin symbol on them. So this will also add to the sales price. Regards, Marc Cheers nils faerber -- kernel concepts GbRTel: +49-271-771091-12 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48Fax: +49-271-771091-19 D-57072 Siegen Mob: +49-176-21024535 -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Tilman Baumann schrieb: Marc Verwerft wrote: Well, I live in Belgium and I can assure you that sales tax here is 21 % as opposed to Germany's 16 % ... 16% Not anymore... :( But as afar as i know, you can sell inside the EU to other EU countries and tax where they buyer lives. Don't ask me how, but i think there is something like that. That is not that easy. The other party has to have a valid EU VAT ID which usually only businesses have. If you sell to private people without VAT you will get into trouble with your own VAT declaration. This was once possible before the EU VAT ID was implemented but also caused a lot of trouble - since it reqiured that the customers then has to VAT tax it in his country afterwards. What is usually done for private customers is that the invoice will state that the place of change of ownership (formal: place of change of risk) is the originating country. Everything after that is the responsibility of the customer. Cheers nils faerber -- kernel concepts GbRTel: +49-271-771091-12 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48Fax: +49-271-771091-19 D-57072 Siegen Mob: +49-176-21024535 -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Hi Duvelle, We should shortly have a list of worldwide distributors on our website, along with instructions for how to apply to become one. Michael Duvelle Jones wrote: I am a little curious to the channels that you do have access to. Being in canada, I am also curious as to if you plan to distribute the FreeRunner in Canada. On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 10:56 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hello, A number of times you have asked about pre-orders. Here is the official word from our VP of Marketing: Over the next couple of months you will see the following 3 announcements: 1. When the production hardware is solid and signed off, we will announce pricing and availability. That is, we will announce the expected price and the expected date on which the web store will open. 2. When the first production run is complete, we will announce that. 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we will open the web store and begin taking orders. We are actively looking at pre-orders, but as discussed in the past there are a number of very difficult complications in taking pre-orders. We think the best solution is to build 10 times as many phones as we did the last time, so that pre-orders will not be necessary. As many of you know, ramping up a factory for production is not instantaneous. We plan to do a number of pre-production runs to iron out manufacturing issues and to assure high yield. These pre-production runs will occur before the official production run, so that when we make announcements 2 and 3 above we will be highly confident in our ability to manufacture and deliver a very large number of handsets. Regards, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:08:26 + (UTC) Tony SR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:14:11 +0100, Richard Bennett richard.bennett at skynet.be wrote: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:08 +0100, David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared with buying from a German web shop. Don't you mean Luxemburg? They have 15% tax I think, in Belgium it is 21%. Luxembourg could be great :) or spain too... but please ! not in sueden or denmark :) (25% !) Anyone here who lives in Lux ? :) Richard. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hello everyone, In Spain we have 16% VAT... (and I thought we had a huge VAT, but by the comments, we're so cheap!) Regards Tony ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Here in the UK seems cheap at 17.5%, but I suppose you hit currency issues here? -- Ewan Marshall (ewanm89) Geek by nature, Linux by choice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Hello, A number of times you have asked about pre-orders. Here is the official word from our VP of Marketing: Over the next couple of months you will see the following 3 announcements: 1. When the production hardware is solid and signed off, we will announce pricing and availability. That is, we will announce the expected price and the expected date on which the web store will open. 2. When the first production run is complete, we will announce that. 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we will open the web store and begin taking orders. We are actively looking at pre-orders, but as discussed in the past there are a number of very difficult complications in taking pre-orders. We think the best solution is to build 10 times as many phones as we did the last time, so that pre-orders will not be necessary. As many of you know, ramping up a factory for production is not instantaneous. We plan to do a number of pre-production runs to iron out manufacturing issues and to assure high yield. These pre-production runs will occur before the official production run, so that when we make announcements 2 and 3 above we will be highly confident in our ability to manufacture and deliver a very large number of handsets. Regards, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we will open the web store and begin taking orders. Does this mean that it will be possible to purchase openmoko from inside the EU, so there are no random customs taxes? That would be great! Ivo Anjo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Ivo Anjo wrote: 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we will open the web store and begin taking orders. Does this mean that it will be possible to purchase openmoko from inside the EU, so there are no random customs taxes? That would be great! Hi Ivo, That is certainly our intention, which is why we have been trying to set up distributors in as many places as possible. The only one I know of so far is in Germany. Since that's in the EU, that should work for you, right? Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Hi Ivo, That is certainly our intention, which is why we have been trying to set up distributors in as many places as possible. The only one I know of so far is in Germany. Since that's in the EU, that should work for you, right? Yeah, there are no extra taxes on trades inside the EU, and since Germany belongs to the EU, it should work great. Looking forward to it :) Ivo Anjo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
On Monday 25 February 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote: Ivo Anjo wrote: 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we will open the web store and begin taking orders. Does this mean that it will be possible to purchase openmoko from inside the EU, so there are no random customs taxes? That would be great! Hi Ivo, That is certainly our intention, which is why we have been trying to set up distributors in as many places as possible. The only one I know of so far is in Germany. Since that's in the EU, that should work for you, right? It would work, but the rate of sales tax is fairly high in Germany. Under EU rules, Europeans can buy stuff from anywhere in the EU, and pay the sales tax rate prevalent in the country where the shop operates instead of the rate in their home country. If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared with buying from a German web shop. Having said that, it is not a huge cost, and having a web shop any where in Europe is a great improvement over importing from the Far East. -- David Pottage ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:08 +0100, David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared with buying from a German web shop. Don't you mean Luxemburg? They have 15% tax I think, in Belgium it is 21%. Richard. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
On Mo, 2008-02-25 at 23:06 +0100, Marc Verwerft wrote: Well, I live in Belgium and I can assure you that sales tax here is 21 % as opposed to Germany's 16 % ... Just to kill your illusion - it is 19 % in germany since the beginning of 2007... ;-) Regards, Ricky. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Marc Verwerft wrote: Well, I live in Belgium and I can assure you that sales tax here is 21 % as opposed to Germany's 16 % ... 16% Not anymore... :( But as afar as i know, you can sell inside the EU to other EU countries and tax where they buyer lives. Don't ask me how, but i think there is something like that. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:14:11 +0100, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:08 +0100, David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared with buying from a German web shop. Don't you mean Luxemburg? They have 15% tax I think, in Belgium it is 21%. Luxembourg could be great :) or spain too... but please ! not in sueden or denmark :) (25% !) Anyone here who lives in Lux ? :) Richard. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:14:11 +0100, Richard Bennett richard.bennett at skynet.be wrote: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:08 +0100, David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared with buying from a German web shop. Don't you mean Luxemburg? They have 15% tax I think, in Belgium it is 21%. Luxembourg could be great :) or spain too... but please ! not in sueden or denmark :) (25% !) Anyone here who lives in Lux ? :) Richard. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hello everyone, In Spain we have 16% VAT... (and I thought we had a huge VAT, but by the comments, we're so cheap!) Regards Tony ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
David Pottage ha scritto: If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared with buying from a German web shop. In Italy it's 20%, not the best, but reading I discover that it isn't neither the wrost! :) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
I am a little curious to the channels that you do have access to. Being in canada, I am also curious as to if you plan to distribute the FreeRunner in Canada. On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 10:56 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hello, A number of times you have asked about pre-orders. Here is the official word from our VP of Marketing: Over the next couple of months you will see the following 3 announcements: 1. When the production hardware is solid and signed off, we will announce pricing and availability. That is, we will announce the expected price and the expected date on which the web store will open. 2. When the first production run is complete, we will announce that. 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we will open the web store and begin taking orders. We are actively looking at pre-orders, but as discussed in the past there are a number of very difficult complications in taking pre-orders. We think the best solution is to build 10 times as many phones as we did the last time, so that pre-orders will not be necessary. As many of you know, ramping up a factory for production is not instantaneous. We plan to do a number of pre-production runs to iron out manufacturing issues and to assure high yield. These pre-production runs will occur before the official production run, so that when we make announcements 2 and 3 above we will be highly confident in our ability to manufacture and deliver a very large number of handsets. Regards, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Duvelle Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a little curious to the channels that you do have access to. Being in canada, I am also curious as to if you plan to distribute the FreeRunner in Canada. +1 for Canada! We can order from the USA and the shipping costs are usually not too large, but we end up paying a lot on insurance and broker/custom fees. It's a little better now that the Canadian dollar is pretty much on par with the US dollar but still.. Having a distributor in Canada would be very nice! thanks Antoine -- Antoine Reid ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
On Monday 25 February 2008 23:48:14 Tilman Baumann wrote: Well, I live in Belgium and I can assure you that sales tax here is 21 % as opposed to Germany's 16 % ... 16% Not anymore... :( But as afar as i know, you can sell inside the EU to other EU countries and tax where they buyer lives. If I'm not totally mistaken, inside the EU sales to private consumers are taxed at the tax-rate of the seller's location. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: topic for next community update [was Community Update Wed Feb 13 2008]
For apps, personally (ie, this is just my opinion) I think its fine if we target providing solid very minmal apps initially, again we can point at the memory on the device (it is stacked with memory), the standard X and libs provided, and its upgradability with package granularity to convincingly (well it convinces me :-)) say more apps are coming. It convinces me too, and I'm participating in OpenMoko solely for the reason that I want to push out some end-user apps, developed new and fresh, for the platform. When it becomes more widely available, that is, I will be quite happy targetting it as a major platform for my music apps .. as it stands right now, its very rewarding to be doing daily builds that can run on both EEE PC and OpenMoko with very little fuss, and it sure is going to be interesting keeping this party going for the next few months .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: topic for next community update [was Community Update Wed Feb 13 2008]
It's always been option i. Hence the release of GTA01. Many apps on that are still not polished. It'll be many months after the release of the Freerunner before the phones are ready for basic end users. -Steven On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:10 PM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) What is OpenMoko's plan to release FreeRunner i) release when hardware and kernel are solid and before application software is polished. Community helps to polish software prior to full launch to basic end users ii) release when both hardware and software are polished. Will take a little longer but will impress journalists more... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community Update Wed Feb 13 2008
Hi everyone, This is actually a recap of last week in the engineering department. I was away at SCALE and am busy catching up. We received our first batch of 10 fully assembled GTA02 A5 boards. There are still some issues with the manufacturing test software that needs to be fixed before we start manufacturing. John got some Processing apps to run on the phone. Performance could be improved with a good Java JIT and better glamo OpenGL support. Wolfgang started the wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Prototypes to track hardware issues with any non-release hardware we are using internally or sending to people. You can track some progress here. Allen found a GSM power leak in suspend mode. Matt and Allen are working to get this resolved. Graeme got Qtopia to build via OE, and was able to make phone calls on a GTA01 using Qtopia. The bottom line for A5 is that while we have not found a proven A5 hardware bug yet, we ran into a number of uncertainties. Our highest priorities now are to 1. prove that suspend/resume and charging works 2. prove that we can fix hardware quality issues (broken bluetooth, GPS, receiver) 3. improve production testing software (microSD, suspend/resume) We have added a full-time wiki editor. She has been publishing technical books for many years, and we look forward to improved organizing and appearance of all the great content on the wiki. That's all for now. Regards, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Brief Community Update, January 24, 2008
Hi Nils, Sadly, no update on either of those. We're still awaiting positive confirmation from TI for the GSM update, and power management has been prioritized lower than getting GTA02 out of the door. We do hear very clearly that power management is an extremely high concern, and will address it accordingly. Michael Nils Faerber wrote: What about the status of open issues like: - in the field firmware update for GSM on GTA01 V3 and V4? - standby power management of GSM in new GSM firmware? Cheers nils Michael Shiloh schrieb: A brief update: 1. Evaluation of GTA02A5 is taking place. There is some excellent discussion on the kernel list, e.g.: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000606.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000538.html I believe no hardware flaws have been found yet, but there is still much to inspect. As usual, we will not predict how long this will take, nor when we will start shipping GTA02. 2. We've made available the CAD files for the GTA01 case. We're still learning how best to deal with making available to FOSS users files originally in ProE format. We now have available IGES and STEP formats as well. I will continue to work on ways to make this available in a useful fashion with as little loss of information as possible. http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/ Sincerely, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Brief Community Update, January 24, 2008
What about the status of open issues like: - in the field firmware update for GSM on GTA01 V3 and V4? - standby power management of GSM in new GSM firmware? Cheers nils Michael Shiloh schrieb: A brief update: 1. Evaluation of GTA02A5 is taking place. There is some excellent discussion on the kernel list, e.g.: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000606.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000538.html I believe no hardware flaws have been found yet, but there is still much to inspect. As usual, we will not predict how long this will take, nor when we will start shipping GTA02. 2. We've made available the CAD files for the GTA01 case. We're still learning how best to deal with making available to FOSS users files originally in ProE format. We now have available IGES and STEP formats as well. I will continue to work on ways to make this available in a useful fashion with as little loss of information as possible. http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/ Sincerely, Michael -- kernel concepts GbRTel: +49-271-771091-12 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48Fax: +49-271-771091-19 D-57072 Siegen Mob: +49-176-21024535 -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Brief Community Update, January 24, 2008
A brief update: 1. Evaluation of GTA02A5 is taking place. There is some excellent discussion on the kernel list, e.g.: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000606.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000538.html I believe no hardware flaws have been found yet, but there is still much to inspect. As usual, we will not predict how long this will take, nor when we will start shipping GTA02. 2. We've made available the CAD files for the GTA01 case. We're still learning how best to deal with making available to FOSS users files originally in ProE format. We now have available IGES and STEP formats as well. I will continue to work on ways to make this available in a useful fashion with as little loss of information as possible. http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/ Sincerely, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Brief Community Update, January 24, 2008
As usual, we will not predict how long this will take, nor when we will start shipping GTA02. Waiting, waiting, sincerely... :) Pratul -- dum vivimus, vivamus http://pratul.in ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Brief Community Update, January 24, 2008
Thanks for your patience and continued support! Pratul Kalia wrote: As usual, we will not predict how long this will take, nor when we will start shipping GTA02. Waiting, waiting, sincerely... :) Pratul ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Brief Community Update, January 24, 2008
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:19:48 -0800, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A brief update: 1. Evaluation of GTA02A5 is taking place. There is some excellent discussion on the kernel list, e.g.: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000606.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000538.html Really good news there ! Thx Michael Sincerely, Michael -- Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 11, 2008 12:21 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lon, Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and apparently even more have appeared: http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2 I couldn't help noticing that the takezero.net post reads like it was produced using Markov Chains. Forgive my naivete if this is an inside joke of some kind. I was surprised to see at least one expletive in the post. Perhaps it's a case of digital graffiti? Ken Smith http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE I've added a link to these at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Current_events. If anyone finds more, please add them here. Michael Lon Lentz wrote: Michael, Are you aware of any online sites that might have done any video of this? On Jan 10, 2008 4:20 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, A brief status report from OpenMoko: Consumer Electronics Show, Las Vegas We've just returned from CES where we showed the Neo FreeRunner (GTA02). Although this was still a prototype it performed fairly well. The UI we had installed was the same as the most recent for GTA01. Of course most of the press was interested in this as a consumer device. Nonetheless, interest was very high. A number of Linux and Open Source enthusiasts came by, and of course they were thrilled. Most of them already knew about this project but wanted to see the GTA02 and to hold it in their hands. We were also visited by some Linux luminaries (Doc Searls, Maddog), which is always very thrilling. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
Hello, On Jan 12, 2008 7:42 AM, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: agreed... plus how often does a consumer ready phone get rebooted? last time I did mine was to swap the sim card into my neo In my experience it is like this: Nokia phones needs to be rebooted every week. This has been true for all Nokia phones I have used, and is also true for the Nokia E61 I'm currently using. If not rebooted, some functions of the phone will fail. For the E61, it suddenly starts to say disk full when I try to sync email onto it. After a reboot it is fine again. I have only used a few Sony-Ericsson phones, but they tend to only need reboot every two weeks. My latest experience was the K710, it did all sorts of funny things if it was not rebooted. Like - the alarm didn't work, - outgoing calls failed, - ringing didn't work and so on. IMO, rebooting a phone shouldn't be necessary during normal use. I am hoping that any phone running OpenMoko will be much, much better in this area.. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Saturday 12 January 2008 07:26:18 Ted Lemon wrote: On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. I thought that was weird. The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts! imo its a much better feature then looking at a boot graphic that never stops looping and wonder why it does not... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Friday 11 January 2008 23:20:51 Lon Lentz wrote: I would recommend everyone go read Wired's article on the story of the iPhone development. Read about how well their prototype did. Hint: The iPhone didn't magically appear as a finished project out of thin air by shear will power. The power of Marketing is strong, but not that strong. while a interesting read, i get a feel that apple is just uncle jobs and some faceless engineers doing the dirty work after he have done all the planing... hoovers g-men anyone? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 12, 2008 3:12 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: imo its a much better feature then looking at a boot graphic that never stops looping and wonder why it does not... For sure, but it seem importqnt to be able to hide the boot scroll for mass market. Not all people are open to the beauty of a boot scrolling :) -- Zitune GNU/Linux is user-friendly. It's just very selective about who its friends are. http://www.april.org/ 010 001 111 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
Ted Lemon wrote: On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. I thought that was weird. The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts! Yeah, we left that in on purpose -- especially for the geeks. Of course, it's scheduled for removal in a consumer-only release (whenever that may come) release. Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/ Regards, :M: -- Dr. Michael 'Mickey' Lauer | IT-Freelancer | http://www.vanille-media.de ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
Hello, On Jan 12, 2008 5:34 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, we left that in on purpose -- especially for the geeks. Of course, it's scheduled for removal in a consumer-only release (whenever that may come) release. Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/ Easy to fix - leave it (boot scroll) as an option that can be turned on by the user, preferably in a geeky way involving shell and the virtual keyboard. :-) And we want the matrix screensaver too. :-) -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: And we want the matrix screensaver too. :-) And it can't run down the batteries... :') ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/ Sure you can - put a switch in the phone's advanced preferences! :') Anyway, I have always felt that with a little dress-up, the verbose startup could become reassuring rather than alarming. The reason it's alarming is mostly that it just sits there saying nothing intelligible to the end-user. If it said things like probing for Atheros ethernet device... found. or configuring network... then the end user might be less alarmed. If you don't know any better though I think it looks too much like a Windows crash, to which old- timers are too painfully accustomed. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008
Am 10.01.2008 um 22:20 schrieb Michael Shiloh: We're still testing the hardware and gathering up little issues before determining whether we need to create another version of the board. We still expect to start shipping Neo FreeRunner sometime in the next few months. As always, we can't be more specific, because we're not sure. That's all for now. As always, I welcome your feedback, questions, comments, and concerns. Michael, many thanks for this update. One nitpicking question is about interpreting the word next few months: does it mean something between 3 and 7 months from now? I.e. April to July? Or does it mean a version shipping with final software to end-users but developers can get it earlier? And, if it is the developer device that comes in the next few months - how long is the GTA01 device still available (despite all its known problems), since some projects can't wait and need a development and test platform and prototype/demonstrator units... Nikolaus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update, January 2, 2008
Joseph Reeves wrote: Hi Michael, Hi Joseph, Going back to your previous email first: Fortunately we have a watchful community to catch our mistakes as quickly as possible! Please continue to let me know if we make such mistakes in the future. Please understand that I wasn't trying to suggest any mistakes had been made, No worries. I didn't think you had, but I did use the opportunity that you brought it up to explain our policy. I was just after a little clarification. Really I was hoping that you'd give us some secret extra details ;-) Nice try! Your goal of keeping the project running on non region/religion/cultural time lines is a laudable one, but I'm so eagerly looking forward to the FreeRunner release that I wanted to know more! We appreciate your enthusiasm. My employer is looking to eventually purchase a couple of hundred FreeRunners, and we're all itching to buy a smaller batch for test purposes. We're not so interested in all the features, and aren't worried if we're not going to be buying a consumer ready phone platform; we want to build a tool, and the FreeRunner looks like the best base for it. Sounds like a perfect match. We look forward to seeing what you build. Having said that, I need to write a paper for an upcoming conference during which I'll be making just that point. All the best, Joseph Best wishes, Michael On 10/01/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joseph, If we knew the date with 100% certainty I would certainly share it with you. As we have seen there is no standard meaning to the word quarter either. I'll go back to months. That's still somewhat Western-centric but perhaps sufficiently accepted that it should not cause trouble. Michael Joseph Reeves wrote: Talk of quarters might be more helpful (and standard within the business world), but a date would be even better! Joseph (waiting with anticipation) On 10/01/2008, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's an excellent description because they don't want to be specific! Push it more and I could see them just saying It'll be out in 2008. -Steven On Jan 9, 2008 6:51 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Bailes wrote: FreeRunner is due for release at the end of Spring, but which Spring is this? East Asia? US? Europe? I have to say, spring is a bad description of when FreeRunner will be released, though from my knowledge East Asia, the US and Europe all have spring at the same time +- 24 hours. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be spring in the southern hemisphere since that's still ten and a half months away. Amen. Using seasons for describing milestones (a common US behaviour) or even worse using holidays (e.g. we'll release that by Thanksgiving), is always the *wrong* thing to do. -- Rod (who is south of the equator, and also on a half-hour timezone) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008
Hi Jay, Thanks for your enthusiasm. Jay Vaughan wrote: We're still testing the hardware and gathering up little issues before determining whether we need to create another version of the board. We still expect to start shipping Neo FreeRunner sometime in the next few months. As always, we can't be more specific, because we're not sure. As a GTA01 early-adopter and avid hacker on the platform, I simply can't wait for the GTA02 to be available. My apps are raring to go on a completed phone. So is there going to be any chance that you guys might set up an early-adopter list, upon which we avid fanboix can place ourselves, that will mean we get the phones as soon as they are shipping? I'd be willing to place a pre-order, even, for 2 of them. We've discussed this, but have not been able to figure out a way to do this. For instance, it is illegal to take money before things are ready to ship. There are other complications. You would not believe how difficult it is to set up a web store for a company in Taiwan to sell things around the world that ship from the USA. Ask roh how much fun he's having setting up the web store. I'm that much of a neo1973 gimp .. and once I've got those 2, I'd be happy to get a box of 10 shipped my way for all my users, too. For quantities of 10 or more you should talk to Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008
Michael I'm pretty sure that the only new things we mentioned were new hardware features: WiFi, faster processor, 2D/3D accelerator chip, and the accelerometers. ah yes, 3d! It'll be nice to have 3d renderings using something like google earth ;) -- Brad ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Friday 11 January 2008 21:21:41 Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi Lon, Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and apparently even more have appeared: http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered- freerunner-2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE So can we please get that all black Neo? Looks a lot nicer than the black/silver :P signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On 1/11/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lon, Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and apparently even more have appeared: http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE The comments are.. not so happy. :/ Oh well. We probably have a year to prove this thing to the world before it gets crushed and forgotten. -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 11, 2008 2:17 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The comments are.. not so happy. :/ Yeah it didn't make a good impression to show the boot messages, and a buggy crashing version of the UI. It really doesn't make sense, in that the rest of us are getting better results with the software releases. Oh well. We probably have a year to prove this thing to the world before it gets crushed and forgotten. I would hope there is a sexier follow-on product with even more features. But I imagine there will be increasing amounts of competition too. It's just that at this time, there is no other readily-available Linux phone which has a touchscreen, 640x480 resolution, and GPS. Those are the features which got me interested. (Besides being fully open, of course.) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008
Unfortunately, opengl drivers for the SMedia chip will unlikely be ready by the release of FreeRunner. Only XRender extension is implemented by now. Also, GoogleEarth is closed-source and therefore can not be recompiled for ARM. P.S. Does anyone know whether we'll see accelerated XVideo extension in the near future? 2008/1/12, Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michael I'm pretty sure that the only new things we mentioned were new hardware features: WiFi, faster processor, 2D/3D accelerator chip, and the accelerometers. ah yes, 3d! It'll be nice to have 3d renderings using something like google earth ;) -- Brad ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
Hi Lon, Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and apparently even more have appeared: http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE I've added a link to these at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Current_events. If anyone finds more, please add them here. Michael Lon Lentz wrote: Michael, Are you aware of any online sites that might have done any video of this? On Jan 10, 2008 4:20 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, A brief status report from OpenMoko: Consumer Electronics Show, Las Vegas We've just returned from CES where we showed the Neo FreeRunner (GTA02). Although this was still a prototype it performed fairly well. The UI we had installed was the same as the most recent for GTA01. Of course most of the press was interested in this as a consumer device. Nonetheless, interest was very high. A number of Linux and Open Source enthusiasts came by, and of course they were thrilled. Most of them already knew about this project but wanted to see the GTA02 and to hold it in their hands. We were also visited by some Linux luminaries (Doc Searls, Maddog), which is always very thrilling. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008
Hi Brad, I'm pretty sure that the only new things we mentioned were new hardware features: WiFi, faster processor, 2D/3D accelerator chip, and the accelerometers. Fixed GSM firmware is not new because that's already included in GTA01 units (those that shipped after we got the fixed firmware). Anyway, fixing bugs doesn't count as new :-) Michael Brad Midgley wrote: I was able to make out what's new and two things that are new and nothing after that. We can probably guess he meant wifi and maybe fixed gsm firmware. On Jan 11, 2008 8:45 AM, andy selby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, Are you aware of any online sites that might have done any video of this? Try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
Thanks, Michael. That was what I was looking for. Geek tech sites covering you guys at the show. I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. I would recommend everyone go read Wired's article on the story of the iPhone development. Read about how well their prototype did. Hint: The iPhone didn't magically appear as a finished project out of thin air by shear will power. The power of Marketing is strong, but not that strong. On Jan 11, 2008 4:17 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/11/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE The comments are.. not so happy. :/ Oh well. We probably have a year to prove this thing to the world before it gets crushed and forgotten. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. I thought that was weird. The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community